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24:58So we can't come into this, you know, all Pollyanna, like, of course, the president will comport himself. Well, we know the way that this man operates. Right. So I would just say his answer, like you said, on its face is not just fine, but normal. Like, yeah, Obama got to decide it's like prosecutorial discretion, right? When they're like, don't prosecute this type of people. Or you get to say how immigration law, for example, you create an entire fake category called DACA if you want to, or if you're the president or not, if you want to put it the other way. Although I will say that was very controversial from the right at the time.

25:32What, DACA? Well, the use of prosecutorial discretion at that time. And I'm also old enough to remember when the whole, remember the Loretta Lynch conversation with Bill Clinton was a major, major scandal. So there is definitely a very different standard that is being applied now when it's Trump for sure. Right-wing hypocrisy is a tale as old as time. Yes. Sure, fair enough. Would say it's equivalent in some cases. However, we are where we are today with Todd Blanche. And yeah, I mean, to your point about Overton Window, this is where with Blanche, when he says things like violent criminals, it's like, yeah, nobody's like, please don't prosecute.

26:10Well, maybe some people are, but most people are like, yeah, please prosecute violent criminals. But when they're like, please prosecute the 60-year-old Olympian who gashed the reflecting pool, that's a little bit different. And I think that's kind of what the answer is indicative of Trump's total loyalty pledges from his assistants. Like, for example, with Jeanine Pirro. I mean, Jeanine Pirro was doing everything Trump wanted to do. And I don't even mean necessarily in a bad way. Like under D.C., they are prosecuting a lot more violent felonies and changing the way that they're enforcing that in the in the district as opposed to it was before.

26:50I'm cool with that. That's cool. We have less crime. But then she's getting the what is, you know, the break, quote unquote, with Trump is that she had to drop the case against the reflecting pool, you know, whatever, assassin or whatever they're calling vigilante. and then she's getting lit up. I mean, this morning he's like, she needs to go back to law school. She had no idea what she was doing. Same with Pam Bondi, like the whole James Comey 864. I mean, it's ludicrous. Everybody knows it's total bullshit. And so that's what Blanche is speaking to. And that's generally the problem that we have right now, especially in the context of a lot of these political pardons and prosecution agreements that are in the future.

27:35Well, just to make it plain, it is one thing to say, I'm going to reflect the priorities of the president because he was democratically elected and I share those priorities. That's the way we're going to conduct ourselves in the Justice Department. It is another thing to say, I'm going to prosecute the people that Trump wants me to prosecute. And while Todd Lynch did not say that directly because that would be such an extraordinary and very troubling admission, that is the reality of Trump's orientation towards this office. It was under Pam Bonney. There's a reason Todd Blanch was picked. He sees this guy as his personal weapon to go after his enemies.

28:09That is the way Trump conducts himself. And I don't know that whatever Democrat takes office next will have the stones to do the same thing. But don't complain when you've got President AOC or President Abdul Syed or whoever it is saying, OK, my attorney general is now going to prosecute Stephen Miller and is now going to prosecute Elon Musk and is now going to prosecute whoever else. You really don't think Democrats would do that? You really think that after the mood of the country like it is currently? I don't know. I mean, I think they're I just see. Well, OK, they won't be prosecuted because Trump will pardon them.

28:44Yeah, well, that's true. So that's not really the question. Yeah. Bigger question is like I just my experience with Democrats, they tend not to have the balls to do these things. It may be a new era that is dawning in the party based on some of these primary results and the new blood that is coming in. So we will have to see on that front. But let's go ahead and take a listen. And this is also really important to pay attention to because Trump knows they're getting cooked in the midterms. He's already done his whole redistricting thing. It has helped to mitigate the losses, but they are still very much on track to lose the House and possibly the Senate as well.

29:16They have mounted this pressure campaign to force states to turn over their voter rolls to the federal government. And this has been, you know, a major effort from the Trump administration. and so Todd Blanchier is asked about this from Kristen Welker. She says, listen, you keep losing in court because these states are saying, no, we're not turning over our voter rolls. We get to control them. You don't get to tell us what to do. You've lost all of these cases. Why don't you just let it go? And he indicates that he will continue to pursue this even up to the Supreme Court. Let's take a listen.

29:49One of the issues that he really cares about, the midterms, and there's been a lot of focus on the midterms as it relates to the Justice Department, which has lost 22 cases trying to force states to turn over their voter rolls. State officials have pushed back against those moves. They say states dictate how elections are run, not the federal government. Is it time for the DOJ to drop this fight, and will you do it? Well, just, I mean, we're relying on a statute, a statute passed by Congress that allows us in the right circumstances to review and get those voter rolls. And so, yes, no, we're not going to stop doing what I think every American should expect us to do, which is make sure that we have elections that are fair.

30:32And as that relates to the Department of Justice, that means making sure that there are no constitutional legal violations, even at the state level. So, yes, President Trump, this administration knows and, of course, understands that states administer elections, and that will always be the case. But it doesn't mean the federal government should play no role. And so the tension there is, of course, whether we should be playing the role that we're playing. And that's really what we're litigating. How far are you willing to take this fight? Because you've been ruled against now 22 times. Are you going to take this all the way to the Supreme Court?

31:03Do you anticipate? We'll see. We'll see what happens. We're trying to work it out with states. Of course. Yes, absolutely. It's a possibility. Election integrity is something that President Trump ran on and the American people elected him. It's something that every American should care about. Election integrity. Yeah, that's something President Trump is very deeply concerned about. So in any case, he reveals, you know, they might quite possibly take this up to the Supreme Court. And I think part of the reason why Blanche being confirmed here is because there's no doubt he is just a partisan operative on behalf of the president.

31:36And, you know, there's a lot of questions about what Trump might do with regard to the midterms, assuming that the results don't go in the direction he wants them to. And so now he's got someone in place who is going to go along with whatever he ultimately wants to do. And obviously we have the track record of 2020 behind us to know what some of those shenanigans might look like. I mean, if you look into his mind, one of the things he hated most about Sessions is that Sessions wouldn't quash the Mueller probe. Which, look, the Mueller probe was bullshit. But, you know, obviously what he was mad about was that he wouldn't immediately quash the process, even though Sessions is the OG Trump guy.

32:11Like, he was most responsible for him. I also just think it demonstrates with Trump where like you may have a like we were talking about earlier. It's a normal thing for an attorney general to say we're going to enforce the priorities of the president. If people had confidence, let's take 2020 out of it. Right. It's a longtime Republican thing. You just had this big New Jersey story. I'd forgotten the details. It's like sixty six hundred non-citizens had been registered to vote. Like, yeah, that's a real problem. And to be clear, I am not I am not a stop the steal millions of illegal voting people.

32:40But like, yeah, that's an issue, especially a lot of these blue states that issue driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. And if you're not going to have robust systems that are enforced by the feds, like it's a genuine concern. It's like how many illegals or even non-citizens are you allowing to vote? Like that's a problem. If that was the framework of Trump, that would be like a 90-10 issue. But it's a 20 – even voter ID. Every time you poll voter ID, it's like dramatically popular. Like everyone knows. But – and yeah, obviously that's always a sleight of hand too from the Dems saying it's racist or whatever.

33:10bullshit. But the point being with Trump is when you're going to bring in your 2020 era Dominion voting systems, it's not unreasonable to be like, what are you going to do when you gain access to my voting rule, which is why they fight so hard. So this is where like, you know, his own insanity, because if you were to talk to the supporters or, you know, people will get mad or whatever. They're like, oh, what? You don't support reviewing the voter? I'm like, well, Well, yeah, if there were, it's like the flock thing. If there is a trust, you're going to do it correct or to not nefarious purposes.

33:45Yeah. Right. And like that's what's concerning. Yeah. I think about all this. Just to give a really quick example. So in Georgia, they did a lot of this like, oh, we're going to go through our voter rolls and we're going to kick off people who are duplicate registered or they're on a state or they're undocumented, blah, blah, blah. And they set up an ability for just random people to challenge people's voter registration, which I think is insane, by the way. And a lot of what they would do is, let's say you had two people named like Juan Carlos. And one of them was, let's say, a convicted felon, or one of them was an undocumented immigrant, and the other one wasn't.

34:21They would kick them both off. So there was a, you know, there are a lot of names like that that are very common. Totally. Literally. And so that's what would happen. And then people would show up on election day having no idea there was any problem and they'd be turned away. And then, you know, maybe you're voting on provisional ballot. Oftentimes those are not getting counted. You don't know what your rights are. And that's it. You've lost your ability to vote. That's the sort of thing that happened. It was very sloppy. And there were a lot, thousands of people that were kicked off the voter rolls unjustly.

34:51So that is really, that is, the assumption is that is really the model that they want to do at the federal level. And so if they run that kind of like AI based matching program, you could see them taking California's voter rolls and say, oh, there's 100 ,000 people who are illegally registered, blah, blah, blah. Then you dig into that and that you see the actual problem is the way that they're analyzing the data. Remember when they did that whole thing about, oh, Social Security has all these undocumented. I remember it was total and complete bullshit. That my assumption is that's the sort of thing that they want to be able to do with these voter rolls, which may not even succeed and kicking people off the rolls.

35:28But then you can sow all this doubt about the results. And, oh, if only we'd had the correct people registered in Michigan, then we would have been able to win the seed. And then you have this whole casting doubt that enables whatever is going to come next. I mean, it's the same thing that they did in 2020. So I think that is probably the playbook. That's my last thing on elections is, look, I think we should have federal elections. We should have, like, massive federal standards. And we should be able to report election night winners literally day of. Like I think every state should be required to be set in a set of parameters.

35:59The problem is, is that we don't have that. And this is genuinely the pitfall of living in a federalist system. Like each of our each of our states has dramatic power and oversight to the point where isn't it Oregon and Washington are only vote by mail, literally only vote by mail. Whereas some states you can only, you know, depending on certain conditions. I think that's fucking crazy, if you ask me. Yeah. Just saying to some states, former felonies. can vote or not. Here's the hours are different. The early vote period is different. A U.S. citizen can vote in one state and not in another. Again, I think this is nuts.

36:35I literally think that's why we need federally administered elections. But this is a good example of why, in my opinion, we literally never will. Under a Democrat, no Texas governor will ever allow Obama or whatever to control their election. And then same under Trump. It does make it hard to actually rig a national result. It's true. The fact that it's all locally administered does make it, I think, more difficult. You mean in terms of straight-up rigging? Yeah, I agree. Yeah, in terms of straight-up rigging. I was going to say, with Electoral College, it actually weirdly gives a certain number of states, like, immense power.

37:03Oh, of course. Yeah, the Electoral College is a total nightmare. But, yeah, I mean, it does create some anti-fragility there in terms of just the ability to outright rig the results. But there are a lot of problems as well. It does seem wild that the basic rules could be so different state to state. Correct. I genuinely think that's crazy. The problem is nobody can agree on what the basic rules are. Okay, got the candidates stopping by. Crystal's going to do this one solo, so let's get to it.

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39:03It will be election day in Florida tomorrow. We got a handful of very interesting primaries, in particular in the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party. And two candidates who are on the ballot tomorrow join us now. We've got Elijah Manley, who is running in Florida's 20th congressional district. and Oliver Larkin, who is running in the 25th. Welcome, gentlemen. Well, thanks for having us. Yeah, of course. So I've been tracking these races closely, both of you progressive candidates up against more establishment-type figures, longtime establishment figures. Elijah, you're running against Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and Oliver is running against Jared Moskowitz.

39:37You guys had this rally plan. Let's put F1 up on the screen. The Chomp the Oligarchy rally, the two of you alongside Angie Nixon, Rashida Tlaib was there. I believe Mouat Kyrous also was in attendance, correct? a lot of trouble getting this pulled off. Elijah, tell me what was going on with this. So I don't know where to start. I mean, we put together an awesome event and it was supposed to be held in the venue, which is in my district in Willow Manors. And out of nowhere, the owners of the establishment decided, you know, that we would have to uninvite Rashida to leave, Congresswoman to leave in order to host the event there, which was a no-go from all of us.

40:17We were not going to do that to the congresswoman. So we changed venues. What did they say? Sorry, I want to hear the whole story. But what did they say specifically about why a congresswoman Tlaib could not be there? Well, they didn't really go in specifics, but we know that there was a Facebook post from a Democratic state representative, Michael Gottlieb, unhinged Facebook post attacking Rashida Tlaib, attacking all of us, calling us anti-Semitic, saying it was a Nazi hate rally and that they were going to call the venue and make all types of threats to the venue. So they ultimately, you know, called and said that we had to uninvite Rashida.

40:54We didn't do that. So they breached their contract and we ended up going to a different venue in my district, the downtown event center, which in the middle of the night canceled on us as well, saying that they got threats and intimidation. And so we ultimately found the third venue that worked out well. And it was an incredible event. And Elijah, are you in fact, anti-Semitic? No, I'm actually a Jew, Protestant Jew myself. So, but I've been caught self-hating by Michael Gottlieb, a Democrat who teamed up with Laura Loomer to attack our event. Some people got death threats. My address was leaked online due to this insanity.

41:31Laura Loomer went on a screed against me and the rest of the candidates. So, yeah, those are the Democrats we have. So, Oliver, why don't you pick up on that? Because I think people will be pretty shocked to learn that you've got elected Democrats in the Florida Democratic Party who are making common cause here with Laura Loomer and the likes of, you know, she's like just blatantly bigoted Islamophobic person. And she's not the only one on the right that Florida Democrats are sort of making common cause with here. Yeah, Randy Fine, the bigoted Islamophobic United States representative from the 6th District, also was in Fox News saying that we were not supposed to have Rashida Tlaib come to our district and rally with us, that this was, again, what Elijah said, making these spurious claims and accusations.

42:25A lot of it's projection, right? I mean, these are some of the most bigoted Islamophobic figures in the Republican Party. And unfortunately, as Michael Gottlieb revealed himself, someone who would make common cause with the far right to suppress the voices of Democratic voters and try to get in the way of exercising our First Amendment rights to freedom of speech. So we had a strong degree of confidence in the second venue, the Downtown Event Center. I was actually there for the CARE South Florida Gala that Angie Nixon spoke at. But the pressure campaign, the harassment, the targeted hate that we saw motivated the cancellations of these two venues.

43:07We're talking about hundreds of calls that were made. And like Elijah said, threats that were made personally against candidates, against attendees. And it's just unacceptable. And the Democratic Party, especially down here in South Florida, really needs to make a choice because what we're talking about is collective liberation. We're talking about an end to genocide and an end to apartheid and making sure that the actions of the Israeli government is not putting people in our districts, including Jewish Americans at risk by getting the blowback of these, you know, very anti-Semitic claims that just try to paint the Jewish community as a monolith and ascribe the actions of the Israeli government to people in South Florida, including Jewish Floridians who just want to see us address the cost of living crisis and not contribute to breaking both U.S.

43:53and international law. So I was very glad to see the event go forward. We're very grateful to the venue owners that ultimately hosted us. It was a fantastic event and something that was really unprecedented in modern South Florida political history. Yeah, I see both of you have a lot of grassroots support here heading into Election Day. I think you both have very difficult campaigns up against a lot, but it's been encouraging to see the number of people who have come out to support both your campaigns. Elijah, we've obviously been tracking here the kind of democratic civil war, if you want to call it that, in Michigan, in New York, in Colorado, and other places around the country.

44:26What does that look like on the ground in Florida specifically? Yeah, I mean, I think similarly people are sick of the Democratic establishment here in Florida across the board. And I'm seeing that play out in the 20th district as well. Of course, we have a little bit more happening here as well. We have a white carpetbagger in our district running to take away one of the last remaining African-American opportunity districts here in the South. And this is a person we all know chaired the DNC and is responsible for Donald Trump being in the White House because she couldn't keep her hands off the primary in 2016.

45:02And people don't like her in this district and they understand what is going on. They understand that she is just an APAC puppet. And like other places in the country, we're aiming to remove her from Congress tomorrow. Talk a little bit more about that, the way this came about, Debbie Wasserman Schultz running in this particular district and what the response has been like locally. So she completely ignored the black community before she decided to run the black caucus, the legislative black caucus, the CBC. She didn't meet with anyone. She decided to leave her district where she currently lives in the 22nd district, leave the Democrat without the Democratic Party without the strongest possible challenge.

45:44to run over here in a seat that was created under the VRA in 1992 to forcibly ensure that African-Americans in Florida had representation in Congress. And that individual, Elsie Hastings, was the first African-American representative from Florida to the United States Congress. So she ignored the community, decided to run here. There has been a ton of backlash and pushback against her from elected officials, from the black community, from white elected officials, you name it, from the party in general, even from our state party chair, Nikki Free, who condemned her for this move. And unfortunately, that didn't stop Debbie.

46:20Debbie decided to run anyways because she only cares about herself. And we're hoping that this cynical move, she's running because she believes that the Black vote is split. You have four Black candidates. They're going to split up the vote and I can just squeeze my way through. We're hoping that doesn't happen. But But if that does happen tomorrow, she needs to be seen as a pariah in Congress. No Democrats should touch her. The caucus should condemn her. And we need to remove her from our seat. Oliver, you had an interesting exchange on local news that has gone viral, where it got fairly contentious over the genocide that you rightly call out as Israel committing in Gaza.

47:01Let's go ahead and take a look at this exchange. Guys, this is F4. And then I want to get your reaction on the other side. Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. That's incorrect. That is factually incorrect. It has been regarded by the United Nations and Amnesty International and even Israeli human rights organizations, including B'Tselem. The definition of genocide in the UN, the UN has said this, does not apply to what many people might think as a disproportionate wartime action. That's what that is in many people's minds. Genocide is a very specific thing. actually genocide being committed against Jewish people, not by Israel.

47:39And that's just a fact. I mean, the United Nations recently in Geneva found that the IDF had deliberately targeted women and children. There's been famine conditions imposed over the Gaza Strip by the blockading of aid. Entering the Strip, there's been indiscriminate bombing of hospitals, of mosques, of churches, of... Again, I'm going to have to stop you as that is factually not correct. But I hear you talking about something very important to a lot of people and certainly who think that way. But as a congressman, I'm being told we have to wrap. I love the being told she has to wrap. This is the second time I'm aware of all of her where suddenly producers are coming in saying, wrap, wrap, we got to get out of this.

48:21But just take me through that interview and what that exchange was like and what kind of the reaction has been after the fact. Yeah, I mean, it started as a cordial interview. We were talking about Medicare for All. We were talking about the district. But this third rail in American politics of just joining the assessments of the rest of the international community and even many organizations within the United States, I'm not making these spurious claims or accusations. this is all grounded in fact and sourced material. And I think for most Americans that just see what's happening on our phones, we see the destruction of, what is it, 90 % of the building structures in Gaza.

49:02We've seen time and again since October of 2023, and even in the time preceding it with the mowing of the grass that the IDF has conducted, that there are genocidal conditions in Gaza, that there is an apartheid. And this has been regarded by virtually every international body that has studied the issue. And this is just not something that we hear talked about on local mainstream media. There are not candidates like Elijah and I that really forcefully advocate for a differing point of view because we've seen the manifestation of this intimidation campaign with the attempt to cancel this rally.

49:43But I think it is precisely because I'm not afraid to go into these spaces and speak truth to power and do it calmly and respectfully. I'm not personally attacking the host there. I'm just presenting the point of view that is representative of all the people supporting our campaign, so many people across the United States. I mean, there is a reason that we're seeing so many democratic, socialist and progressive primary challengers winning these races by standing up to AIPAC and refusing to bow to the party line when it comes to the unquestioning support for Israel. So I think it is resonant exactly because we see the facts of the matter going up against the kind of stated prerogatives of corporate and mainstream media.

50:28And I think that's something that they're going to have to continue to contend with as, you know, they hand ring over why they have such declining influence. And people are looking at more independent media as an authoritative source for international issues. Yeah. Elijah, I know you've been busy, so I don't know if you saw this interview or not, but I took a lot of interest in Hakeem Jeffries, who's likely to be speaker if Democrats take the House, was questioned yesterday about Medicare for all specifically. And he said, no, you know, I don't support that. And to me, it just exposes how much of a disconnect there is between a lot of elected Democratic leadership, especially establishment leadership, and where the base of the party is.

51:06Because overwhelming majority of Democratic voters support Medicare for all, and they support an end to funding of Israel's genocide. So, you know, what are your reflections on those comments from Hakeem Jeffries and that disconnect between the leadership and where the base of the party is? Yeah, I actually just spoke about this in another interview. You know, I'm not surprised at all, but it does show a disconnect from the party leadership to the base. And I just don't understand this idea where we have to give light and breath to Republican talking points and to Republican arguments about the Democratic Party.

51:42Our base wants Medicare for all. Our base wants us to stop genocide and stop funding it. Like all the polling says this, that's where the people are. That's where even more than half of the members of Congress in our caucus are at this point. And so Hakeem Jeffries needs to catch up with the rest of the party or he does not need to be the leader if he cannot lead the party in a direction it needs to go. I mean, you know, you're getting ready to be the Speaker of the House of Representatives and you're telling us what we can't do. You're supposed to be showing the vision of what Democratic Party can do when we have the majority.

52:13We're going to fight for Medicaid for all. We're going to stop illegal wars. Like, what is he doing? I mean, Republicans, when they take power, you never catch a Republican saying, we can't do this, we won't do this, I don't agree with this. They're locked up behind their fascist agenda. They're always talking about what they're going to do, and they see no impediment in their way of their agenda. And so he needs to figure out what's going on in his head and figure out what we're doing. But I'm not happy that we have a Democratic leader telling the base and telling the party, no, preemptively, we're not going to fight for something.

52:45Yeah, well, he's got a concept of a plan on health care, so don't worry, guys. Oliver, I have to ask you this question. This is Sagar likes to let me handle these intra-democratic party candidate discussions and debates. However, he did have one question for you in particular about your opponent, Jared Moskowitz. We can put F3 up on the screen. Sagar finds it incredibly distasteful that he is, I think, the founder of the Sneaker Caucus and loves to sport this kind of a fit as he's going about his official business. He's got these giant red Nikes on alongside of his suit. And so Sagar's wondering what your position is on this type of a look with the sneakers and suit combo.

53:29You know, there's a price tag attached to everything that Jared Moskowitz does in Congress, including the fact that he takes money from Nike's corporate PAC. So this bipartisan sneaker caucus is not just simply Jared Moskowitz being a sneakerhead. Look, I like fashion. I suppose I still have many of the same pairs of sneakers I had in high school. I haven't grown very much since then. So I'm not someone who collects sneakers the way that Jared Moskowitz does, but it really is. It's the money in politics. I hate to harp on it and always bring it back to money in politics, but everything this man does in Congress, it's with a price tag attached.

54:05And that includes the bipartisan sneaker caucus. And I just, what is there to say? He's trying to make common cause with Republicans. Look, it's not to say that there's no reason to make common cause with Republicans. Look at what Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey have been able to accomplish together. I think there's a tremendous opportunity to work with the other side, but But just trying to shill for a corporation, I don't think that's what the people of South Florida's 25th District are looking for. Man, that was some Zoran level of keeping it on message, Oliver. Very impressive. Elijah, feel free to weigh in on Jared Moskowitz's attire, but also let people know where they can support your campaign and find out more.

54:45I'm going to be honest. I think the sneakers are ugly. It may be an unpopular position, so I don't like the look. I think it's probably a pretty popular position, actually. The way he's not pulling it off, I would say. Let's put dress shoes on. Come on. Like, I mean, him, Fetterman with the, put the suit on. I'm sorry. Like, you're a member of Congress. Wear the sneakers. Like, maybe you're not there. But, like, everything these people do are suspect. Completely. All right, gentlemen. Let people know, Oliver, you first, and then you, Elijah, where they can find out more and support your campaigns.

55:17Election day is tomorrow. Yeah, www.oliverforcongress.com. Our district spans Palm Beach, Broward, and Miami-Dade counties from Delray Beach in the north all the way down to Miami Beach in the south. So if you live on the coastline, come out and vote for us or go vote for Elijah. But OliverForCongress.com is where you can find everything you need to for our campaign. And www.elijahmanley.com. We still need some phone banking support if you can and donations as well. There's been about 400 ,000 in APAS spending in just a week. So we need all the help. Well, that means they're taking you guys seriously.

55:51So thank you so much for spending some time. Good luck tomorrow. I know you're very busy. So we really appreciate you taking the opportunity to speak to the audience. Absolutely. Thanks, Crystal. All right. That does it for us here today. Sagar and I will be back here tomorrow. So we will see you then. Thank you.

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