8/18/25: Laura Loomer Blocks Gaza Child Treatment In US, Mayor Pete Panics Over Israel, Fort Bragg Cartel Book

23:50AIPAC is done for it. And when we had Abdul Syed here on the show, he kept calling it like a MAGA billionaire organization. And I was like, okay, man, like that is kind of true, but there's a lot of Democrats who support AIPAC as well. But that's the framing I saw of where this is all going to end up. Yeah, I mean, I personally think that the language of calling it a genocide is gonna be important too because it's a signal. I don't think so. I do, because it's a signal of that sense of moral clarity. And so, while, of course, the policy is the most important thing in terms of what you're going to do, that is the real litmus test of, do you get it?

24:26Like, are you willing to say the thing that is the most difficult to say right now? And for people who care a lot about this issue, I will tell you that is... That's not the entire Democratic base. I mean, the No Kings protest is bigger than any other protest in the entire country. That's not about Gaza. It's not the entire Democratic base, But I do think it is becoming increasingly central dividing line because it is a symbol of not just where do you stand on this issue, but are you going to be independent? Do you have integrity? Are you going to fight? Are you going to be different? And it really does come back to that Ta-Nehisi Coates quote of if you aren't willing to stand up against a genocide, how can we trust that you're going to stand up against Trump, stand up for democracy?

25:03And I think that is increasingly the sense among a large portion of the Democratic Party. I'm just skeptical. That just seems very like defund the police logic. It's like if you don't have the full activists on board, I feel like they should have learned their lesson. If you're going to get everything you want on a policy level, just shut up and take it. Like, why are you upset? I mean, in terms of— Because, Sagar, it's about that signifier of, you know, this is the thing that's the hardest to do on this issue. Right. It's—the hardest thing to do on this issue is to actually say the truth that it's a genocide.

25:32And so if you're not willing, if you're still trying to dance around that reality and come up with some sort of tortured rationale of why you, you know, they're not like you. They do believe that genocide is such a thing and a word that should be used. If you're still dancing around, then, yeah, you just look like a smarmy, dishonest politician who is not willing to be clear even, you know, in defense of, you know, innocent people who are being murdered on mass. I just find it very hard to believe that is the sole litmus test for a Democratic politician. Like I said, no kings is the biggest protest in the country.

26:03That's much more like Gavin Newsom. We're going to fight coded. That's not about Israel at all. Gavin, one of the most popular politicians right now. I get it for a lot of young people. This is just, again, where I think with the defund logic is going to come in. It's like, oh, is that going to become the single troll of the Democratic primary? Like, I don't think so. And I feel like they should probably learn a lot of their lesson from demanding specific rhetorical concession. If they agree with you 100 percent in how this is going to be actionalized and you're still not going to support them, I think that would be preposterous for the way that it goes about.

26:35And I do think that the way that the Republicans are current – like if you look at the way that people are so upset about Republicans' actions right now, a lot of it is Israel. A lot of it is ICE, but I would say broadly it's a feeling of gangsterism as in they are getting away with everything that they want from gerrymandering to support for Israel to ICE. They've taken over and they're fighting with power. That's where I feel like Newsom's energy in terms of saying things like we're no longer going to sit around and hold up signs. We have to fight back. That is the core nexus of what the Democrat demands.

27:10If he doesn't say the word genocide, are people really not going to support him? No. I just I see no way that that's going to work out. Like this is very activist brain. No, I don't. I think you're wrong about what it will what it indicates to people and why it is going to be. Because the thing with Newsom is he doesn't really have to answer any questions on this right now because he's governor. But he will when he runs. That'll be three years later. He will have to answer questions on this. And what people are looking for is almost like a Democratic Trump who is going to say the shit you're not supposed to say.

27:40And yes, in the context of his fight on gerrymandering, he is doing that thing. But if you're still a smarmy politician who is wrapping themselves and twisting themselves in pretzels about just this one word, then it's an indicator of who you really are and how committed you really are to being clear, being forceful, having that moral clarity. But we'll see. Look, I could be totally wrong. how it all plays out here. But I just, I know there's going to be someone because the lane is wide open. Someone who fully occupies that sort of like Zoran lane and is truly like anti-Zionist is, you know, says we should arrest Netanyahu and we're cutting off all the weapons, not just like, oh, the offensive ones and the defensive ones, blah, blah, blah.

28:22There is going to be a lane wide open for that person. There will be someone who will occupy that lane and I think they will get significant support. It will be, you know, And it will push everybody else on the issue as well. I wouldn't deny that. I think that certainly will happen. I would look at it as an Overton window pusher and somebody who will definitely kind of be looked at as a pain in the ass or anything. Do I think that person is going to win solely on that? No. And I don't think that's why Zoran won either. I don't think it's the only reason he won, at least. It's the only reason that he won.

28:47It's not the only reason he won. It's going to have to be paired with a whole lot. I think it was more important than what even I initially thought. Maybe. Let's go ahead and get to this next part because this does indicate how the Democratic leadership is desperately trying to catch up to where the base is. Catherine Clark, who is the Democratic House whip, so she's the number two most powerful Democrat in the House, appears to have called Gaza, what Israel's doing in Gaza, a genocide at an event. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of this. And we each have to continue to have an open heart about how we do this, how we do it effectively, and how we take action in time to make a difference.

29:27Whether that is stopping the starvation and genocide and destruction of Gaza, or whether that means we are working together to stop the redistricting that is going on, taking away the vote from people. So she says they're stopping the genocide in Gaza. She joins a very small number of Democrats and very small number overall of elected representatives who have called it a genocide. Politico asked her about it. They said they didn't walk back. Her office did not walk back. The characterization said the Massachusetts Democrats position on fighting the region has not changed. quote, Whip Clark's position on the war has not changed.

30:08The Israeli and Palestinian people deserve security and peace. It can only be achieved through a permanent ceasefire, immediate return on the remaining hostages, and a surge of humanitarian aid to Gaza. It should not be controversial to say that Israeli children did not deserve to be kidnapped and murdered by Hamas, nor should it be controversial to say Palestinian children who bear no responsibility for Hamas's atrocities do not deserve to be killed by war or starvation. A secure future for Israeli and Palestinian children demands a real two-state solution and a permanent end to efforts to deny their rights to exist.

30:36so didn't walk it back totally but did sort of like i guess provide context for the language here nevertheless um sagar i think it is quite a significant development that you have the number two in the house now sticking out this position and it will provide a sort of it will provide a permission structure i think for others in the um house democratic caucus and other elected democratic leaders to take that position the other thing that i think provides a permission structure is obama back in zoran it's a big deal for that as well that's fair yeah totally i mean I still wonder how much of the nexus is on genocide and not what I said about October 7 status quo about policy levels of offensive weapons etc I'm willing to be totally wrong I mean remember if you think words and all that don't matter do you remember how much Hillary refusing to say radical Islamic terrorism no I know that was just popped into my head is a counter argument to myself I was like well maybe I'm totally wrong I mean maybe that's the only signal that some people want to here.

31:33Because, yeah, I mean, a lot of times people don't really dig into the policy details. It's like, what are you signaling with your language? You know, are you signaling that you're this just like doesn't give a fuck on Barnes truth teller? Or are you doing some sort of Weasley politician bullshit that gives you room to, you know, not piss off the donors too much and be able to shift your position down the road, et cetera. Totally fair. I mean, in retrospect, it's crazy that Hillary didn't just say it like on the stage. What did she say? She's like radical jihadism. I don't remember. It's like, just say it, lady.

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34:44Special Forces inside of their community. Sure. The book is basically an investigation into some unsolved murders that took place on Fort Bragg among special forces soldiers who were involved in trafficking drugs. But in the course of investigating those murders and trying to determine who committed them, I came upon a much larger story of drug trafficking and impunity at Fort Bragg, culminating in a huge number of soldier deaths beginning in 2020, continuing all the way through 2024. So the book really draws in a lot of those themes and, as you said, tries to show how that very high mortality rate and high rate of criminality in the special forces in the Airborne Corps is attributable fundamentally to the way that our soldiers and troops have been used for the past 20 years of forever war.

35:37And Seth, the book reads like, I mean, the structure is, I think, really well done. It reads like a murder mystery. And then you also zoom out and talk about these broader implications. And one of the pieces you really dig into, which I'm shocked hasn't been fully explored to my knowledge previously, is the way that our war in Afghanistan helps fuel a drug crisis here at home. Can you lay out some of those connections for people? Because, you know, and I'm sure that this was part of the story. The story that we've told here is that, you know, you had the increase in Purdue Pharma and these other pharmaceutical companies start pushing Oxy.

36:15People get addicted. Then they turn to the street. I'm sure that's one part of what was going on here. But take us into your reporting on how the Afghan drug trade, you know, fueled by our war there, ends up coming back home. So the narrative in which heroin addiction in the United States is precipitated by overly lax prescribing practices around opiate drugs, that's true. That's not a false narrative. However, what it leaves out is that during the 2000s and 2010s, there was a flood of supply of heroin in the United States, enormous availability, high potency. and my book tries to show how the majority of that heroin came from Afghanistan while it was under occupation by U.S.

37:07forces, which is an angle of the war that has not been thoroughly explored to date. So one of the things, Seth, I wanted to get into or some of the really extraordinary stuff that you uncovered in your book, I mean, just pure like wanton behavior by some of the troops that you're alleging there. Can you go into that, including titanium teeth for dogs and eating human flesh. These have been the most controversial claims you've made in the book. So that detail is really a passing detail in the book. However, it is something that people seized upon online. There was an operator who was suffering from extreme moral injury, PTSD, drug addiction, who was involved in the drug trafficking activities at Fort Bragg.

37:51His name was Billy Levine. He had been a dog handler on Delta Force. And in fact, he had adopted one of the unit's working animals after it had been retired. And I related a story that Billy told to the sister of another Green Beret, in which he said that the dog had had its titanium teeth removed upon retirement in order to prevent it from posing a danger to people. Because while in service, the dog had actually developed a taste for human flesh. Again, this was something in the nature of hearsay that I repeated in the book. It was a credible enough claim, but people seized upon that online and were saying this detail has to be made up.

38:30However, no sooner did that pylon begin than somebody anonymously posted a video of a clearly marked Delta Force canine or a special forces canine in any event, doing almost exactly what I had described in the book. I don't want to horrify people by describing it in graphic detail, but it was amazing to see video evidence of exactly what I had alleged emerge just like that. So not to turn this into a gotcha or anything, the reason I'm asking is I did have some people in the community reach out to me about your book, and they knew that you and I were close, and they were alleging that you had not reached out to them for comment in some of these specific instances.

39:09This isn't to put down your work, but I do want to ask you because there's some very specific claims have been made here about not being reached out for comments specifically on some of these allegations, using some of the hearsay and other things, and then claiming a firing, I believe, of a person, or sorry, claiming a voluntary leaving when they were fired in one particular case. I want to give you a chance to address that just to get it on the record. Sure. That's just not true. We contacted everyone who's named in the broker, made an attempt to contact them. If they're named, we made an attempt to contact them.

39:40And all of the allegations that we make about the unit, we make about Delta Force, about the special forces, all of that has gone to the special forces command with an opportunity for them to comment. They have declined every single time, including most recently when Politico did an excerpt. We sent them a very long email outlining every single thing that we were going to say in the article. And they said, because your comment involves a special or because your question involves a special mission unit, we cannot comment. So I find it to be kind of a double game they're playing where at the one point they hide behind, you know, the unit secrecy and say that we can't ever we can't comment on any of these allegations.

40:18And then when the book comes out, they say, well, you didn't really talk to any of us. It's also not true that I didn't interview Delta Force operators. There's several who are named in the book and there's even more who spoke to me completely off the record on condition that I not even describe them. So the idea that no one was contacted, that there were allegations that were a surprise, people are just simply making that up. I don't know where they're getting that. We don't go into that. We don't say every single no comment is recited in the book because that gets boring. But that allegation is completely baseless.

40:51I wanted to make sure it was addressed. Let's talk a little bit more about Delta Force, which is where you focus your reporting. I mean, first of all, for people who don't know, where did Delta Force come from? How was it established and in what way have they been used and deployed during the war on terror in particular? So Delta Force started out as a very specialized and very elite counterterrorism unit in the early 1980s or in the late 1970s originally. For many years, it was not used very often because of its high degree of specialization and use in things, rare missions such as hostage rescue.

41:27it continued to have that niche role after 9-11 and it wasn't really until the surge in Iraq in 2007-2008 as I relate in an early chapter of my book in which the unit became something much more of a death squad that was used in night missions going out night after night and just hitting targets that were believed to have something to do with the insurgency in Iraq and that was a model that was expanded into Afghanistan during President Obama's term in office. And we heard a lot about this when it was all called by the euphemism, night raids, drone strikes and night raids really became the entire American war effort.

42:07And Delta Force was always at the leading edge of that. Other people in the special forces community have criticized, because I follow the message boards, the book has become very controversial among these folks. And one thing that they were saying was that, you know, and a lot of times when they hit targets, they're just capturing targets and they're quibbling with the idea that Delta just shows up and just massacres everyone on site. Now, it's true that Delta Force does do capture missions. That certainly happens. I'm not in a position to say what the exact proportion is. But also, just last night, I saw some comments by a former Delta Force commander named Jeff Teagues, in which he was saying basically the exact same kind of things as I was saying about the unit.

42:50He says, when we show up, we will kill you, your family, your village, your pets, your goldfish, was an exact quote from this individual. and he added that when the black helicopters show up, everyone dies. That's coming from a Delta Force commander to a podcaster named Dalton Fury just a few days ago. So I stand by my portrayal of Delta Force in the book. It was based on rigorous research and investigations and interviews. Seth, to me, if I zoom out, and I know this all sounds tedious, but as you know, when dealing with special forces people, they like to get in the weeds. Controversy is very big amongst them.

43:29They enjoy sniping each other on podcasts. Don't ask me why, but this has been a long part of their own community. When I zoom out and I think about your book, it's about the toll that the forever war took on the people who fought them, who fought them the most, the psychological toll, and the lack of leadership from the Pentagon and others to recognize of what 14, 15 deployments of gangsterism, of just wantonly going in, running missions under the cover of darkness. of killing people, even capture, even if you're doing so legally, you're not doing anything wrong, I'm saying, but what that is going to breed into you as an individual and what you write in the book is to show all of these unsolved murders on a per capita basis, exploration of drug use, of the psychological toll that it takes on anyone to serve in this type of environment.

44:22And I'm just saying within that context, is that how you viewed the inevitable rise of what you say is the Fort Bragg cartel? Yes, absolutely. And I'm not trying to portray some of the enlisted operators who the book follows their careers and their lives and their deaths. I'm not trying to portray them as monsters. On the contrary, I try to portray them very much as humans and show how they started off from a place of good intentions, started off as normal guys, joined the military, progressively rose through the ranks and became more and more inured to the nightly killing fests in Iraq and Afghanistan.

44:58and the terrible consequences that had on their bodies, their minds and their souls. Inevitably, this is what our foreign policy breeds and military bases like Fort Bragg and in the lives of these people who get chewed up and spit out by this system, which it's a policy to use just the special forces groups and the Navy SEALs and other elite formations to prosecute these wars that we maintain because American voters don't want to see large divisions of troops deployed to foreign countries. They don't want to see conventional troops coming back in body bags. And so relying on the special forces to wage wars out of sight and out of mind of the public is really, I think, a deliberate policy choice.

45:44But you end up with having the same guys deployed again and again, 10 times, 12 times, 15 times to these war zones. And that's just as terrible things to a person, as you say. Yeah, no doubt about it. And I can't imagine what it does, too. If you've killed on behalf of the U.S. government and you come to lose faith in that mission, like the level of moral injury and the level of nihilism that that would instill in you is beyond fathoming. I'd love for you to take us through a specific example here, if we can zoom into the micro, just so people can get a sense of some of the murders that you detail.

46:26Um, one consistent theme also is the lack of accountability, um, because these guys are so valuable to the U.S. government and probably know so many things that they don't want coming forward as well. So that's another significant piece of the story that you're telling here. Um, but tell us about the beheading of Enrique Roman Martinez, um, which is one of the stories that you detail in the book. Yes. One of the strangest episodes of this spate of murders at Fort Bragg was the death of Enrique Roman Martinez. Now, he was a little bit different from my other subjects. He was a very young soldier in the conventional army in the 82nd Airborne Division.

47:05He disappeared on a camping trip with several of his fellow soldiers from Fort Bragg, who say, who told police the next day that they just woke up and he was gone. By the way, Enrique Roman Martinez, although by all accounts, he was a nice kid, he was dealing drugs on Fort brag. In fact, he was deeply involved in that world. He was selling psychedelic drugs in particular out of his barracks room. And so that was an important detail because that same night, the night they went on a camping trip, he also took a large dose of LSD and was suffering a bad trip. That was the last thing that his friends knew of him.

47:42They said he woke up the next morning, he was gone. However, a couple of days later, his decapitated head washed ashore on the beach where they had been camping or nearby on a nearby island, showing that he had been murdered. Several medical examiners determined that his head had been chopped off with a hatchet or axe or some other kind of heavy and sharp hand tool. It is one of the most mysterious and baffling cases in the annals of military crime. And I devote two chapters dedicated to getting to the bottom of this mysterious case, which almost ends up being like an episode of the X-Files more than some of the, you know, sort of like mafia style crime that the other murders were characterized by.

48:29So the case of Enrique Roman Martinez is in the mix in all of this. And I hope that my book will provide the definitive account of what's known of his murder to date. Yeah, that's actually an interesting question. What was your goal in writing the book, Seth? There seems to be this theory amongst these former Fort Bragg guys, like he wanted to embarrass us or any of that. I mean, knowing you a little bit, I don't think that was really your goal at all. Outside of being journalistically interesting, were there any policy takeaways that you would have liked to have seen as a result of the book? Yes, there certainly were policy takeaways that I came to, but originally, no, that wasn't my intention.

49:04I certainly didn't set out to write a book about policy. I really wanted to get to the bottom of the murders of Billy Levine and Timothy Dumas that took place on Fort Bragg. That was fundamentally my goal that drove the whole project from the beginning to end. But in order to understand those two men and what they were up to, it was necessary to delve into their respective lengthy military histories and provide the context of the wars they fought in. And in doing so, I'm not going to sugarcoat what these wars have been all about or what the unit is like. And so regarding policy changes that I would like to see, There are many.

49:41I think our military is in deep, deep need of reform. Really, the most fundamental policy change wouldn't be directly to change anything about the military so much as to wind down all these foreign wars and not have the need to have these small units going out and doing assassination and abduction missions almost every night, which, by the way, they continue to do in Iraq and Syria with virtually no media coverage of it and very little oversight from the Trump administration. So foreign policy changes, I think, are more vital than specific technical changes to the structure of the military. But down there, you could also advocate for certain policy changes.

50:21I think the use of special forces should be de-emphasized. I don't think it's a successful strategic model. The idea that we're going to use elite troops, intelligence agencies, the Air Force and the surveillance apparatus, proxy forces, This whole model of warfighting that developed under the Obama administration, I think, has been a total failure. I agree. And so moving towards a more conventional military, winding down foreign wars, I think those are the two most critical things that would alleviate some of the criminality and mortality we've seen at bases like Fort Bragg and also Fort Hood and other bases too.

50:59Really well said. President Trump has increased the defense budget. Of course, most presidents do. And it's now over a trillion dollars. How effective is our military? How capable are they? I think people complacently assume that because we spend a trillion dollars in our military every year, that we must have the greatest fighting force on earth. And that's just not true anymore. The military spending is so incredibly outrageously wasteful that it's hard to see where all the money goes when you're actually looking at the military. You know, I was at Trump's military parade not too long ago covering that, and it did not look like a force that a trillion dollars had been spent on by any means.

51:42You know, a lot of the armored vehicles, all of the military's workhorse armored vehicles are so badly out of date, 40, 50 years old in some cases. You know, the Black Hawk helicopter is performing really poorly. There have been an incredible number of helicopter crashes recently. Another subject that's been underreported. But it culminated in the crash of that Army Black Hawk helicopter with a regional jetliner over the Potomac River earlier in January. That was symptomatic of all these crashes that are taking place. And the military is struggling with recruiting, although 2025 was a little better than past years, but it's shrinking.

52:18It's at the smallest size ever. I really call into question whether the Army is even capable of fulfilling its core mission if a division needed to be deployed on sudden notice or something like that. because of the institutional decline that is seen at bases like Fort Bragg. And I really think that, you know, the national defense budget has got to be reined in because that spending is not going where it needs to go. I don't know where it's going, but, you know, we saw earlier in this year that U.S. Navy went head to head with the Houthis. I don't know what their military budget is, but that's a country that makes Haiti look relatively affluent.

52:56And the Houthis arguably prevailed in a direct confrontation with the U.S. Navy over the straight controlling access to the Red Sea. I mean, that was just such a pathetic performance that the military turned in. That's another symptom or another manifestation of the weakness and decline that we have seen in the military and are seeing despite this gargantuan spending. Yeah. The signs are everywhere. Not only do you not know where that money, apparently no one knows where that money goes, given the fact that the Pentagon is, you know, can't pass a budget, can't pass an audit and can't account for significant portions of their budget.

53:35Right. And more and more things are being written to like the laws that provide aid to Ukraine. It's written into those laws that that that that spending can't ever be audited, which is just crazy. You know, they're making sure that nothing like SAIGAR, which did a retrospective, the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction, provided some clarity and some limited accountability for how the war in Afghanistan was waged. And there's actually provisions of law that make sure that we'll never learn that same kind of information about the war. Yeah, you're so right. SAIGAR was one of the most important journalistic resources in Washington.

54:12I actually think it was critical in eroding support for the war in Afghanistan because people just cover their claims. And we did it for years and years. Always the stories that we wrote on it would go viral because people saw how much of a waste it was. We don't have a single clue, even though it's a similar amount of money that we've sent over to Ukraine. Seth, I could talk to you all day, man. Thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on the book. We hope everybody goes and buys. We're going to link down in the description. Thank you, Seth. Thank you guys for having me. Thanks so much for watching, guys.

54:41We appreciate it. We're going to have a great show for everybody tomorrow. See you then.

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