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25:40You could read a 2 ,000-word article exposing all of this. They won't touch it. And I think the reason why is because it's about conspiracy, right? Like it's distasteful, and it would feed far-right fantasies. And it's like, guys, we're dealing purely in the realm of facts. Caught in a sting, back in Israel, remains the only one on charge, hired the most powerful lawyer in the state of Nevada. Do I need to spell it out for you? The one mainstream story I saw about it was Axios, but they wrote it up like - Yeah, MAGA reacts. MAGA reacts. And it's like, I mean, first of all, it's certainly not just MAGA, right?

26:12And second of all, why not just talk about the story itself rather than doing the meta story about like, oh, this group of people is reacting in this way. So, yeah, that was the only mainstream coverage that I've seen at this point. I know. It's crazy. It is absolutely crazy. So anyway, that's your update. I will continue on it. And if you are in Vegas and if you have something, reach out. I would love to talk to you. This is Jacob Goldstein from What's Your Problem? Running a business is hard enough. Don't make it harder with a dozen apps that don't talk to each other. One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting.

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29:13All right, let's get to property taxes. Okay, now here's a little pet issue of mine, which I said, I wish I had the time to write this up into a monologue, but I'm going to do my best. There is a growing effort on the right to, quote, abolish property taxes. I want to say at the top, I sympathize. Everybody hates property taxes. Here in the state of Virginia, actually where I live, they even tax your car. You know, every year you have to pay your annual car tax. And it's one of the most unpopular things that people ever have to deal with. But I want to really dig into this and tell people why it is actually a massive giveaway to the old.

29:45And if anything, it needs to be reversed. So let's put this up there on the screen from Marjorie Taylor Greene. She says recently, quote, hi, we need to completely abolish property tax. It forces us to, quote, pay rent to the government on property that we own. But if we don't pay property tax, the property that we own gets taken away. That should never happen in a free country. She says, secondly, health insurance is a giant scam. I agree, but let's stick with the property tax thing because this is actually becoming policy. Let's put the next one, please, on the screen. Ron DeSantis is now proposing no property taxes in the state of Florida.

30:17And actually, it's Florida, Ohio, and many other Republican states that want to eliminate property tax. Vivek Ramaswamy has apparently said something similar. The more I looked into this, again, emotionally, I actually do understand. Everybody hates property tax. It's one of the things that's included in your mortgage. Even if you finally pay off your house, you have to continue to do it. the more I actually started to look into it, not only in what it funds, but the way that seniors are the ones who are the most benefit, not only of the property tax themselves, which is paid for services, but get exemptions, I was like, wait, no, this is a massive giveaway to the old.

30:56And it's an inversion of how policy should be. So let me put this up on the screen and then we can talk is I did a lot of this research. This was ChatGPT, thankfully. And I was like, huh, how much property tax exemption already exists for old people? So in Florida, you get this thing called the homestead deduction. That's for everybody. It's for your primary residence, which is off of your assessed value. But seniors who are 65 plus and lower income, by the way, that low income is a very different definition than what I would think of low income. You get an additional$50 ,000 exemption. In Texas, you get something called the regular school tax exemption.

31:34And then for seniors, you get an extra$10 ,000 off of school district taxes. Plus, school taxes are frozen at the age of 65. The theory basically for property tax and the anti-property tax movement for a lot of old people is, hey, we're older. Our kids are grown. So why should we have to pay for schools? I think this is preposterous because I could get – I'm forced to pay Social Security and Medicare like everybody else with FICA. I could get hit by a bus on the day I turn 64 and 364 days and get no Social Security. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't have to pay it for my entire life. So their theory is that we have to pay for their retirement, which by the way is pegged to inflation.

32:18but they get property tax, school tax frozen and now they want to eliminate it entirely which are city services, which again, who's calling 911 for an ambulance all the time? It's old people, okay? And these people want to opt out of that and shift the tax burden to the consumption of sales tax which would actually be a massive giveaway to them. Not even worse, let me just continue with Iran, is it would mean that their primary residence, they have no incentive to sell, which actually locks them even more so into housing stock, giant McMansions, which for two people, which in my opinion, rightfully, should go to people with younger houses.

33:00Now, I'm not saying they should be forced to sell, but to say that, well, maybe I am, but it's like, I'm not saying they should be forced. Time to move on, Grandma. I'm not saying they should be forced to sell. Wink, wink. But the idea that you should be – that the government should provide you massive amounts of services, free retirement, free healthcare under Medicare, but you don't have to pay for my kids' school taxes, get out of here. And now you actually want to shift the local burden to more so to the consumers rather than the elderly people who, again, get inflation-pegged free money from the government.

33:37and now under the big beautiful bill, you get a tax-free income for 88%. I just think it's one of those where it's a total abdication by the boomer generation. They're like, oh, we're done with the school so we don't have to pay for them. Well, what if I'm done with you? Why do I have to pay for your healthcare? 1 % of all federal spending is on boomer dialysis. I'm not joking. 1 % of the entire federal budget is on dialysis for obese boomers with kidney disease. It's one of those where, and listen, I'm pro-Medicare. If anything, we should go after the healthcare companies that jack up that spending.

34:08I'm not saying we should take it away from you, but you can't abdicate your responsibility to the younger generation. And that's what all of us is. It's like, we literally have a socialist system right now for boomers. The more I'm looking into this property tax thing, I did not realize it's a massive giveaway to the elderly. And it shifts the entire tax burden on people who are younger, can't afford the homes, being frozen out of the housing stock and are making it so that they have to have sole responsibility for their lives and for the city services of them on top of paying for the quasi-socialist system of retirement that we have for everybody 65 plus.

34:46I mean, the school thing is just like, do you live in a society? Thank you. I know. It's crazy. I mean, it'd be the same thing if I was like, well, my neighborhood is safe, so I don't want to pay for the cops. I mean, it's just like, okay, Okay, we all live here together. There are certain things that are valuable to us. For example, the education of the children, right? For example, like, you know, we could do a lot better about everybody being able to have health care, etc. You know, I think you have to ask, okay, there are a certain set of services that people expect and need the state to provide.

35:17So there's going to have to be revenue raised somewhere. So if it's not property taxes, what is it likely to be? And that's where you, yeah, where you. Which is what? Massively regressive. Massively regressive. So even taking like the age part out of this, our society, increasingly the structure of our society in terms of haves and have nots. And there is a deep generational component to this that is for sure is between those who own their homes and those who rent. And if you own a home, you're much more likely to, you know, have sort of stable life. You're much more likely to have some sort of wealth that you've accumulated.

35:54you're building value over all these years, you already get big tax breaks from the federal government in terms of mortgage interest deduction. It's a major dividing line in terms of society. And the capital gains after you sell. That's exactly right. So you get significant breaks. There's significant built-in advantages to being a homeowner already in our system. So what you're talking about is another tax break for homeowners who are much more likely to be affluent than people who are renters. So, you know, if you were going to instead fund things with a actually progressive income tax code, OK, then we can talk.

36:31You know, then I'd be open to it. But that's not the direction that they're pushing in. They're pushing, OK, we're going to do sales tax and sales. Why is sales tax deeply regressive? It's because the poorer you are, the more of your income you're spending on consumption because you're, you know, it's your back's against the wall, your paycheck to paycheck. So basically everything that comes in is going out in expenditures. So as a percent of your income, you're going to be taxed much, much more. So, yeah, it's a terrible idea. And the thing is, it's not just a red state. And by the way, you wouldn't believe the boomer rage I've gotten for talking about this.

37:01But the more I look into it, the amount of breaks these people get is unbelievable. I talked to a state legislator who got mad at me. He's from New Hampshire. He's like, what are you talking about, idiot? Nobody freezes property taxes for people in New Hampshire. Took a simple Google search to find out that 13 of the largest cities in the state of New Hampshire, 203 localities, all provide something called an elderly exemption for property tax. The theory behind it is that these people are on fixed income and that they don't use the schools, so therefore they deserve the break. Again, that is the same argument that the school voucher people make about their property taxes or private schoolers who are like, oh, but I send my kid to private school.

37:42Why should I have to pay into the system? Or, oh, I don't use that much trash. Why should I have? It's like this, you know, it's almost like a libertarian mindset. But it's only libertarian and the only opt-out exists is for the elderly. Now let's compare U.S. socialism for 65 plus to zero to five. That's where my baby is right now. What is she getting from the federal government? Zero. Nothing. I get a measly tax deduction. What else? Pre-K when they turn like four or something like that. In between, good luck. Hope you make decent money. Yeah. And if you're Zoran and you propose free child care, people are going to say you're a communist.

38:23Yeah. While they, again, get free health care. They get completely free health care. Now, a sane society would say that if you have to choose between them, in my opinion, zero to five is way more important, especially than 65 plus in a country where people live until 83 years old. So now I'm not saying throw everybody out on their street, but for all of those folks, if you guys are gonna get your free healthcare, don't be coming around saying, I don't have to pay any property tax because I've already paid it and I don't use the schools. Again, we all have to pay for your retirement. And if you really wanna get technical, on an accounting basis, the average senior who retires at age 65 in the year 2020 paid 600 ,000 into the system.

39:05You get 1.2 million in benefits over the course of your life. double literally what you ever paid into the system. So the idea that you've paid for everything you get, no, it's false. Now, I'm not saying we should bankrupt you or take a lot of the stuff away. I'm in favor of reducing the massive amount of costs in the healthcare system. But the current way that it's structured is everything is about tax breaks for the people who are already homeowners, which disproportionately are the elderly. Let's put E4 here up on the screen, because this is very important. If you look at the current data, home buyers over the age of 70 currently outnumber those under 35.

39:41And in particular, it's for larger houses and or starter homes. So the way that the tax system is now currently, the way that the current tax system is, is that boomers are getting free social security, literally free, 88 % of you will not pay any tax on your social security because of the new standard deduction, which is only for people who are over the age of 66 or whatever, by the one big, beautiful bill. You get free money from the government, tax-free money, basically from the government. You get free health care, capital gains, no tax on your residents, which massively has boomed. You can roll that into a new house.

40:17And a lot of them are choosing to live lives of relative luxury for how they grew up. Now, I don't bemoan or begrudge anybody for being able to do that. I do think there should be a reverse of the system to incentivize first-time homebuyers over people who are already elderly. So if I want to see tax breaks, I want to see them for the people who are under 30, not for the people who are over 70. But then you can't be buying your McMansion, which in my opinion, again, should be probably going to somebody under the age of 35 and then not pay any property tax for it. Because that means you're never going to sell it.

40:51The carrying cost is way too simple for you. It's like the deal of the century that we're just handing over to all these folks. And here's the thing. You and I know it's going to pass in Florida. It's full of old people. Their entire state is subsidized by the federal government because we pay for their residents income and we pay for their health care. So now, you know what they're going to do? We also pay for like their homeowners. It's uninsurable. Right. And we insure all of their property, which by rights, nobody should even live in because it's near the ocean and is constantly getting destroyed.

41:23I mean, I think there's an overlap between. So I think the proper way to look at the taxation system rather than a generational war, zero sum between what the elderly could get versus what young people could get is. I mean, the big problem is that the wealthy pay very, very little in taxes. There's not a progressive income tax system in the way that there should be. And I'm talking nationally right now, but certainly in states like Florida that don't even have an income tax. And so, you know, what you end up with is because you had older generations who were able to acquire wealth at a time period, you know, more during the like New Deal era when housing was much more wildly more affordable.

42:04Healthcare was wildly more affordable. Education was wildly more affordable. College education in certain places was free at the time. Um, so you have a wealth disparity between generations, but you, you know, the, the big war is the class war versus the generational war. There's overlap there. But, you know, to me, that's the frame to look at these things. I don't disagree. And politically, but no politician will ever talk the way I'm talking. Why? Because old people are the only ones who vote. But the thing is, is that it is important still to say that the middle class elderly is way better off than the middle class young person.

42:40It's just empirically true. And a lot of that is homeownership. And it's homeownership. The tax breaks are unbelievable. Or like in California with Prop 13, the biggest load of bullshit I have ever seen, that these people who buy a house in 1976, explodes in value from$100 ,000 to$2.5 million living in Santa Monica or whatever in Los Angeles, are paying massively low property tax rate compared to somebody who has to purchase the home, let's say, in 2015. I'm sorry. It's not right. And they're like, oh, but it's not fair because I'm priced out because of the property tax. You get, listen, if you were, this is where my personal responsibility spiel.

43:19If you saved your money and you put it in the 401k like you should have, then you should have no problem being able to pay your property tax. But their argument is that, again, their free inflation adjusted income should be able to sustain a mansion in Santa Monica. Preposterous. The property tax should be pegged to the accurate market value. And if you have to sell, so be it. You should have worked harder and should have saved more money. And that's just like infuriating that they continue to try and stop paying for school taxes, cap their own property taxes, and make it so that they can live in housing stock, which again, by any fair market should, and fair societally, should be occupied by people who are younger who literally cannot get into them.

44:04I mean, it's basically, I think people should just think of it as a tax cut for the rich. It is. I mean, that's disproportionately who's going to benefit from it. And so if, you know, my metric is just, is it a regressive or progressive tax? And if you are getting rid of property tax and shifting that burden over to an income tax, a consumption tax, I mean, not an income tax, rather to a sales tax, a consumption tax, you are giving a tax cut to the rich and you are funding it with a working class. Yes. Tax tax. It's true. That's what you're doing. It is purely correct. Look at it through who benefits and who's going to bear the cost.

44:37I think it becomes pretty clear this is a bad deal for average people. I had a senior reply, and I was like, what about death taxes? You wouldn't even know anything about that. And it's like, bro, unless you're worth$34 million when you die, you're not paying an estate tax. Yeah. So actually, just tell me, you're filthy rich. I mean, we barely even have a death tax. That's what I'm saying. The exemption is$15 million per person. So you're worth more than$30 million? It's one of the most— You think you shouldn't have to pay any taxes? It's one of the most important reasons that we've had increasing, like a solidifying class structure and less and less upward mobility is the lack of an estate tax.

45:16Well, it's not just, it's actually step up basis in my opinion. That's the true crime. Oh, well, yeah. That is the crime of the century. All right, I'll end it there. I know the boomers will be mad, but I'm sorry. It's like you said, we live in a society. You have to pay for us because we pay for you. Literally, that's what the money is for from the government. And like, did you go to school at one point in your life? Did people pay taxes so that you could go to school? I'm sitting here paying for your dialysis. It's infuriating. I'm sorry. All right, let's get to your monologue. What are you taking a look at?

45:46In 1917, a new silent film was released with an extremely unsubtle plot line. The Black Stork follows a young couple who marry and have a baby in defiance of warnings from the film's hero, Dr. Dickey, that the couple will pass on the father's, quote, hereditary taint. Sure enough, when they do have a child, it is born, quote, defective in the language of the film and in need of life-saving intervention, which the doctor refuses to provide. The mother, having doubts, embarks on a mental journey, exploring the life that her defective baby would grow up to lead, and watches as he suffers through a miserable existence, culminating in his choice to murder Dr.

46:25Dickey for the crime of letting him live. The mother then awakens from her reverie and agrees with the doctor that her child should, in fact, be murdered. At the close of the film, we watch as Jesus receives the baby's soul, a difficult but moral and righteous choice having been made to kill the infant, rather than condemn him and his offspring and the race at large to a polluting of the blood pool. Some pretty sick shit, right? Well, pay attention, because as with other ugly, discredited ideologies, which have bubbled back to the surface in this era, eugenics is back. The language, the tactics, the mechanics may be tailored for the modern age, but make no mistake, from Silicon Valley to D.C.

47:03to social media to pop culture, a new eugenics movement has arrived, and it is every bit as morally repugnant and anti-creation as the OG version. The New York Times-Ross Douthat recently hosted a high-flying young tech founder who has secured Peter Thiel funding to explain her company's offerings. Called Orchid, the company and its founder, Noor Siddiqui, promised parents the ability to design a healthy child through sophisticated embryo testing and selection tech. These couples go through a process of IVF, have each of the created embryos tested, and receive a detailed breakdown of the genetic makeup of each one of the embryos.

47:40Orchid is but one of a number of startups in the field offering the similar embryo testing services. Another teal-backed startup, Nucleus Genomics, specifically tests embryos for high IQ, hair color, eye color, left-handedness, likelihood for obesity, and a whole range of potential health outcomes. As for Orchid, it is rumored to include on its client list the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk. It is increasingly popular in Silicon Valley, and according to Siddiqui, has already worked with thousands of parents. Now, I would recommend listening to this entire interview, but I was particularly struck by Siddiqui's explanation of the inspiration for her work and how it kind of eerily echoes some of the plotline of The Black Stork.

48:20So growing up, you know, my mom got a pretty, you know, pretty devastating diagnosis. She, you know, she started by losing her night vision. Then she lost her peripheral vision and then slowly she started losing her central vision. So she ended up getting diagnosed with a condition called retinitis pigmentosa. So what that means is that you sort of progressively go blind. and it was a pretty long odyssey to actually get that diagnosis. And then there was a lot of fear around, okay, is that going to affect, you know, her siblings, my aunts and uncles? Is it going to affect us or children? And, you know, really kind of what I was obviously very young when a lot of this was happening.

49:00How old was she when this sort of manifested itself? So I think the first symptoms that I think she had admitted to, at least, you know, So my dad, we're probably in her early 30s. And then I think maybe in her mid-30s is when kind of he pushed her enough to be like, hey, I think this is something that, you know, you should really be, you know, looking into. And I think that, you know, really what, you know, sat with me and left and what I felt through that experience was just this sort of profound unfairness, right? This idea that there's this genetic lottery that's unfolding and some people win and some people lose.

49:38And through no fault of their own, someone who I love bitterly isn't going to be able to enjoy the things like being able to see her grandkids. And just things that I think you and I take for granted that, hey, we're going to be able to see into old age. So just to be really clear here, if Siddiqui's grandparents had been able to avail themselves of ORCID's technology, they would have been able to select from a range of embryos of varying characteristics and likely would have discarded the one with the genetic markers for this adult onset blindness. In other words, the embryo, which would have grown to be Siddiqui's mom, would have been destroyed after having been labeled defective.

50:18Reminiscent of the doctor in Black Stork, Siddiqui presents this as a moral choice that would have saved her mother and their family from the pain of grappling with her blindness and the possibility that future generations may also inherit this condition. If I took the trays of embryos that contain you and your husband's embryonic children and I threw them in the river, what kind of crime have I committed? Have I committed a property crime? Like, should I pay a fine? Like, what have I done? I think that the question of, okay, an embryo that is going to get adult onset blindness, what do I think about that embryo?

50:53My mom doesn't want to be blind. She doesn't want me to be blind. She doesn't want her grandkids to be blind. So I think that it is a positive moral choice. It is the responsible decision as a parent to detect that risk at the earliest possible stage and to transfer the embryo that has the best probability of a healthy life. I don't think that there's any moral question there. I think almost the opposite. I think that creating stigma or creating some sort of taboo around the idea that parents would want to proactively get that information is a dangerous idea to propagate. No moral question and a dangerous idea to propagate.

51:31Pretty interesting. Of course, selecting to guard against a medical condition, that's one thing. Custom designing a super race is quite another. Any guess what traits Silicon Valley types are most interested in selecting for? According to the Wall Street Journal, tech executives are shelling out big bucks for designer high IQ babies. Their article titled Inside Silicon Valley's Growing Obsession with Having Smarter Babies details the way that tech executives are increasingly spending tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to avail themselves of orchid-type tech in an effort to guarantee high IQ offspring.

52:05Some are also spending hundreds of thousands on high-end matchmakers who can pair them with high-achieving Ivy League mates in hopes of passing on these intellectual genetic blessings. A statistical geneticist from Harvard Medical School explained to the Wall Street Journal this fascination with what is being styled genetic optimization. Let's go ahead and put this quote up on the screen. They say, I think they have a perception that they are smart and they are accomplished and they deserve to be where they are because they have, quote, good genes. Now they have a tool where they think that they can do the same thing in their kids as well, right?

52:38Now, if that is not the definition of a eugenics mindset, I don't know what is. Specifically, the ideology that some genes are good and some genes are bad. Therefore, some people are innately superior and deserving of certain privileges vis-a-vis their genetically inferior brethren. This type of thinking is currently coursing through the body politic right now in a variety of forms. Now, the original eugenics movement combined anti-immigrant fervor over fear that other races would degrade the white American wasp stock with a progressive era zest for radical reform. Support for eugenic policies, like forced sterilization, it was actually concentrated in the well off educated, sophisticated circles, kind of like Silicon Valley.

53:22The movement itself was also fomented at a time of great change as the Industrial Revolution concentrated wealth and transformed the population from rural to urban. You can see some of these same strands coming together right now as Elon Musk and his obsession with birth rates and spreading his allegedly high IQ seed finds common cause with the racial nativist obsessives, people like Stephen Miller, who I don't have to tell you, has a lot of power. Now, when white nationalist Stephen Miller cautions against importing the third world, he's asserting that people who come from developing nations aren't poor because of their geography or because of the poverty they were born into, but because of their inherently, immutably inferior genetics.

54:02When Trump warns about immigrants, quote, poisoning the blood of the nation, he's engaging in that same sort of genetic essentialism. Such views are given full-throated endorsement among increasingly influential racist influencers, people like Nick Fuentes. Here he is explaining to Candace Owens his view that Black people are inherently genetically inferior. So I'm trying to understand if you're actually, you think that it's all Black people are like this, or if your world is kind of colored by, this is what's going on in America. This has failed for a thousand reasons. Welfareism has definitely, I mean, Black people in 1940s stand up.

54:38My grandfather, I talk about that denigration and the corrosion of culture. That's happening. White, black, whatever you want to name it, there is this intentional corrosion of culture. So do you think it's literally, well, this is just what a black person is when they come out? Or do you think that post welfare, LBJ, great society, this is what black Americans have become? And I have a right to respond to that and say that as a white man, I don't want to live there. Well, you know, I think it's more nature than people would like to believe. You know, there's this classic tension of is it nature?

55:11Is it nurture? Is it is a cultural or is it intrinsic? Is it racial? And I've always been on the latter side of this among conservatives. Conservatives like to say it's all culture. Black America is the way it is because of hip hop music and the great society and that kind of stuff. And I think the uncomfortable reality is a big part of it is intrinsic. You know, one of the big arguments against the abolition of slavery in the 1860s is that, But when Europeans colonized Africa, they hadn't discovered the wheel. There's no two-story buildings. There's no writing. There's no written language. Missionaries had to go to Africa in the last century and invent it for the African people because there's no recorded history.

55:53They didn't have writing. In sub-Saharan Africa, and we didn't, Europeans did not penetrate that until the late 19th century. They didn't have any of this. To the extent that you have infrastructure in Africa, it's from the Muslims in the Sahel in the Maghreb in northern Africa, where the Arabs colonized. And then you had, you know, Carthage and Egypt. You had ancient civilizations. But sub-Saharan Africa, they didn't have that. You take these people out of that land and put them here, and they're enslaved people. You let them free in a modern, liberal republic. They're not going to succeed. It's not going to go well for them.

56:28And that was one of the arguments against abolition. people said if you free them without any assimilation, without any kind of process for them to be acclimated, they're going to die. And that's exactly what happened. Many of like the bottom 10 percent of like the lowest IQ Africans just died off for generations. And it had a, you know, pardon the expression, but it had a eugenic effect because over time, if the if the weakest are dying off, That's one argument for why blacks in America have a standard deviation higher IQ than the blacks in sub-Saharan Africa. All right, let me spend a little bit of time on that because that is all utter and complete garbage.

57:05So the data over time actually tells a story of black IQ scores consistently closing the gap with those of whites in America. This would not be possible if black people are just inherently immutably inferior forever and always. Data also shows an exceptional record of achievement among black immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa and Africa in general. Specifically, Nigerian immigrants as a population have the highest college attainment of any ethnic subgroup in the entire country. Not to mention, to flatten all of Africa or even all of sub-Saharan Africa into a single race is in and of itself complete and utter nonsense.

57:39Africa is the single most genetically diverse continent on the planet. Now, I'm not saying nature is irrelevant when it comes to characteristics like IQ, but Fuentes seems to dismiss nurture altogether. Maybe the clearest example to debunk this nonsense comes from countries like South Korea, which experienced rapid economic development, lifting much of their population out of poverty. Lo and behold, average IQ in South Korea went from below 90 to above 105 in just two generations, an impossibility if IQ was primarily genetically determined and immutable. Asians in general, let's keep in mind, were once stereotyped as inherently unintelligent.

58:16Now they're kicking white people's asses so hard in college admissions that we have to rig the selection process just to keep some white diversity on elite college campuses. Not to mention, I hate to break it to these people, some of the most dysfunctional morons I have ever met are high IQ. This somewhat bullshit indicator is famously piss poor at actually predicting life success. However, as we barrel towards an AI future where jobs are scarce, wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few trillionaires, and the stakes of making it into the global elite may be the difference between unending wealth and unending misery, it's not hard to see where all of this could ultimately lead us.

58:55Obviously, we already see a crackdown on immigration, which is often overtly sold in the name of racial purity. It's the exact same dynamic that we saw in the run-up to the passage of the Immigration Act of 1924, which was explicitly crafted by eugenicists based on their junk science of which races were more or less inferior. This time around, I don't think we're likely to get forced sterilization laws, at least I don't think so, to block the quote-unquote defective from procreating. Instead, the modern version is going to be driven by the logic of the market, an arms race by those with the means to secure their child's spot in the elite class that can pay to insulate themselves from the ravages of wars, climate crisis, and whatever AI has in store for all of us.

59:33If Black Stork, that film I started with, served as pro-eugenics propaganda, the 1997 film Gattaca provides the high-tech eugenics cautionary tale that rings far too true given the innovations of companies like Orchid. In Gattaca, genetic perfectionism and discrimination leads to an impossibly rigid and dystopian class structure where those children who were born via the genetic privilege of Orchid-like tech lord over the poor untouchables who were birthed the old-fashioned way with all of the genetic risk that that mode entails. Orchid's founder, in that interview with Ross, if you watch all of it, she talks about freedom, she talks about choice, she talks about quote-unquote genetic privilege.

1:00:14She uses the language of progressivism to push a vision of the world in which we are all flattened into good genes and bad genes, defective and perfected. And humans are handed one more way to divide each other up into worthy and unworthy. Then again, Maybe the joke will be on all the IQ-obsessed elite after AI takes over the intellectual jobs and all of us over-educated smarty-pants types are left wishing we'd learned how to be a plumber. Saru, I'm curious for your thoughts on, did you, you watched the whole interview, right? Yeah, yeah, I did. I agree with you there, but I actually do think you kind of proved the conservative point, because the Nigeria thing is, this is our huge debate about immigration.

1:00:53We had it yesterday. Do you know who the vast majority of Nigerian immigrants are? They're called Igbo Nigerian, and who they are is one of the tribes in Nigeria that has long held success and prioritized education. If all Nigerians came, it's not that they're all stupid. It's not intrinsically genetic. But that's the point that culture does matter. Part of the reason that I emphasize - So you're making the Candace point. Yeah, I am. That it's culture, not the Nick Fuentes point. No, no, no, no. That they're just inherently bad. I'm backing you up on your Nigeria point. But what I'm saying though is that is a lot of my immigration, like my immigration objection is that the vast majority of people coming here illegally and who, you know, people like, you want to legalize are low skilled people who barely speak English and are barely literate in their own language.

1:01:36But we've seen, I mean, if you look at the history of immigration from all sorts of countries, regardless of what skill level they are at when they're coming, I don't doubt that that's the case for Nigeria. No, I know it's a story for why you have high attainment. I mean, you also see that Indian immigrants, right? Are disproportionately from the Brahmin class, They're well off, et cetera. But you also see immigrant populations outperforming native populations given their socioeconomic status kind of across the board. I mean, in terms of the level of entrepreneurship, in terms of things like college attainment, in terms of even lower crime levels, et cetera.

1:02:10But I think it's proven my point. I don't think so. No, because the people you're talking about are not included in those statistics. Like, for example, in the black population, the Haitian population of New York famously outdid many of the native black populations of the United States. They have a huge cultural difference. And look, this is actually a very conservative black talking point about Haitian and Caribbean immigrants are much more family oriented and they didn't experience the same level of destruction. And that was a huge part of the Harlem Renaissance and all this stuff going back to the 1920s.

1:02:42Look, I don't believe in a lot of this genetic determinism. I think cultural determinism is everything. But that's part of why I oppose low-skilled immigration coming to the United States, because they can't succeed and have not been screened for the same level of success. That's not true that they can't succeed. They do succeed. They can't succeed. They do succeed. They can over a hundred-year period. We'll have to pay for it. Over generations. I mean, we already—anyway, this wasn't supposed to be an immigration debate. I'm curious about your view on the technology. It's just like, oh, my God.

1:03:11I could not oppose it more, especially because these are the most immoral, transhumanist people who don't care. It's just like the boomer mentality I was talking about. It's literally the same, where it's all about genetic determinism, as if that is going to prioritize who you become. IQ, famously, Ted Kaczynski had a 160 IQ, which is crazy high. He's the Unabomber, which proves what? But his own mother says that he was left as a little baby for 11 days and that he lost like any of the humanity that he ever had. It kind of proves the nurture point. Interesting. Backing you up, the highest IQ people ever met, like really, really, really high IQ.

1:03:51Probably like top 0.2%. Like way beyond Mensa. Freaks, weirdos, absolute like mal-social adjusted. They did the IQ study, the Malcolm Gladwell thing. Remember where they followed the highest IQ people in the state of California? and they were like, oh, these are going to be the most. No, it didn't happen. Actually, most of the high IQ people, they had a lot of trouble succeeding in life. We talked about this when we covered the way that these personal traits are changing for younger generations and how much conscientiousness has fallen off a cliff. That's actually the trait that is most likely to predict life success.

1:04:25I agree. And your ability to follow through and your determination if you are committed to something. And IQ is kind of junk science to start with. And then the idea that you can, like, I need to look into it more, but some of the science that I saw, too, is even the way they talk about, you know, being able to genetically determine in this way without having other tradeoffs. Yeah, that's right. Also really seems like drug science. So, for example, like you may select for high IQ that may also lead to higher risk of autism. You know, and that's and and then, you know, these other traits that may be more important in terms of actually being able to succeed and be functional, et cetera.

1:05:06Like you're not. But even putting all of that aside, it's extremely dystopian that we're pretty rapidly moving to a world where the wealthy are sort of like doing this genetic selection. And I don't think it's hard to imagine that there's almost like a new, more rigid, even more rigid class structure based on, you know, who is selected that way and who's not. So I don't know. I see a lot of this stuff on the table now. And the language that is used in some of these circles, it's not exactly the same. But if you go back and read about the eugenics movement and the way they talked about it and the way it did come from, you know, the educated.

1:05:47They thought they were using science to, like, better the human race. That's how they framed it. And you hear that very much echoed with Siddiqui. Now, what I will say is what challenged me in that is obviously I'm pro-choice and I support IVF. And so when Ross asked this question about, like, OK, if you discard these embryos, what have you done? Like, what kind of crime have you committed? Like, if you take them and throw them in the river. It's very uncomfortable. It is very uncomfortable. And when I think about that example of her own mother, who she's saying, I wish that we'd had the tech so that my own mother was never born.

1:06:21That's. No, it's sick. Wild. Look, I reckon I have difficulty reconciling it every day. I told you, you know, Denmark celebrates having no people with Down syndrome. They're like, we've succeeded. We either eliminated. It's disgusting. Right? Iceland. Same thing. They have two to three Down syndrome births per year. And because why? Because they openly encourage government policy. They test for it and then abort babies who are Down syndrome. That's right. I mean, it's sickening. And look, everybody kind of is okay with eugenics in a way. Because mass societally here in the United States, look, the Down syndrome abortion rate is probably what?

1:06:5860-something percent? And if it's, you know, for those, I forget exactly. It's very high. I forget exactly what it is. But I'd have to look it up. But I'm trying to think. What is it? Spinaedifida? You know, some of the other tests that they have on genetic disorders. Those abortion rates are like 100 % or near the 90s. Everyone in the U.S. softly kind of supports or by choice is participating in eugenicism. And it's like, I don't know. I think about it all the time because it's like you said. Now we're making much more overt cases. Like maybe the pro-lifers were right. I'm not quite there. But you have to say they do have a point.

1:07:35especially when it comes to, because, you know. Well, here's what I have to say. Yeah. An embryo is not the same as a baby, right? And that's where the black stork, you know, in that film, it's an actual baby who's been born that the doctor's like, I'm not going to treat. I'm going to effectively murder this baby. That is a different moral question than discarding an embryo, right? I think most people would say that. But I also can't say that the embryo is nothing, right? I can't say that it's just like throwing a piece of trash away. I can't say that either, especially when you think about – when you really think about that example of like this woman's mother who she's saying like I wish we had had the tech to destroy that embryo so we don't have to suffer.

1:08:21And it's like, Jesus Christ, you know, this and that's the core of a eugenics mentality is the idea that, you know, you're worth to society or you don't have inherent humanity, inherent dignity, inherent worth, not because of your hair color, your eye color or your IQ score, but just because you are. And I don't think you have to be religious to have that view. In fact, I have to say, you know, this is maybe far afield, but in this era when we're watching what's unfolding in Gaza and like the genocide that's occurring there, it really has made me put just – and as we watch what's happening with AI too, just put sort of like support for humanity at the core of my politics and at the core of my values.

1:09:05and that's what to me is so disturbing about this mentality. And you really do see it taking hold in a way that it's like, you know, especially at the highest heights of society where people have money and power and are represented in government, et cetera. I agree. And it's one of those things where I, what I enjoy the most about having a kid was the randomness. People are like, are you disappointed it wasn't a boy? Like, it's like, yeah, as if you have a choice. Like what? But for these people, they actually would have a choice. That's weird, right? You're losing something in that. There is something magical about like you don't even know.

1:09:39I didn't know her. I didn't know what she was until the day she was born. I loved it. I thought it was great. And it's one of those where, you know, you just simply are what you are. Also, I looked it up. The abortion rate for Down syndrome is between 67 % and 85 % in the United States. I mean, look, we're all – that's full-blown eugenics already. And that's uncomfortable. I think we – and I think more people should actually talk about that in the context of what you're saying. It's probably even much higher for several other genetic screening disorders. And the question has to be like what this leads to, the permissibility of it.

1:10:09IVF, I didn't know this. It is standard in IVF to screen all of the embryos, which is effectively eugenics. So it's not that they're selecting for. It's that if any embryo is genetically, you know, like, I don't know, I guess genetically has issues or whatever, they won't implant them. Yeah. That's eugenics too. Yeah. That's baked into the IVF system. And Ross is like, you know, much more kind of, he's not anti-genetic IVF, but he's much more, I mean, he's pro-life. You have to ask that. Like, if I just explain that to people, everyone should kind of be like, I don't know about that. And his point to her is basically like, okay, people are okay with it when it's, you know, people are struggling with fertility issues.

1:10:50And this is an intervention to allow them, you know, the miracle of parenting when they would not have been able to have a baby at all. But it is a different question when you're talking about this for basically all of society where it becomes the fringe weird thing to do, to do it the old fashioned way. And is there something about the human experience that is lost if that's what we're shifting towards? I agree. Any case. It was a great monologue. I enjoyed it. Thank you. Okay, Friday show for everybody tomorrow. See you guys then. Also, this is going to be late as hell. Sorry. Talk to you about it.

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