In short
Professor Robert Pape argues that U.S. economic sanctions and “economic D-Day” threats (via Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent) are an escalation trap that historically fail to force war-ending outcomes; he also links U.S. policy shifts in Asia to South Korea’s declining pro-U.S. sentiment and potential nuclear domino risk. The episode then pivots to U.S. politics/media: a MAGA influencer (Jenica Pounds, “Data Republican”) is accused of being set up to leak Cuba-related documents, but the DoD says she was a Pentagon “special government employee,” blurring journalism and government work. Finally, it covers Trump’s temporary beef-import plan (300,000 metric tons, no out-of-quota tariff) and controversy over whether it will help ranchers or further harm them amid meatpacker consolidation.
Guests/backgrounds
Professor Robert Pape (University of Chicago; decades studying sanctions/blockades and airpower). Dan Osborne (independent Nebraska Senate candidate; focuses on impacts of Tyson plant closures and packer power).
Key claims/examples
Sanctions “never” won major wars since WWI (cites WWI Germany, WWII Japan, Saddam sanctions, Iran/Russia/Ukraine). Rare-earth cutoff example: China’s response to tariffs. South Korea: U.S. tariffs and reduced carrier presence could push nuclear weapons reconsideration (1970s precedent). Influencer: Pounds allegedly misread FOIA/markings; DoD credentialing changed. Beef: Tyson/packers shutting plants (Lexington, NE) reduces rancher options, enabling lower buy prices; imported beef may be harder to verify (country-of-origin labeling) and raises antibiotic/inspection concerns (China rejecting Argentine beef; Florida recall).
Notable examples
Pearl Harbor as retaliation linked to Japan sanctions; China rare-earths affecting U.S. chip supply; Iran attacks on UAE tankers; Lexington, Nebraska Tyson closure; China rejecting Argentine beef for illegal antibiotic residue; Florida recalling ~20,000 tons of Argentine beef.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODiscussion with Professor Pape
1:32 to 1:49
Discussion on economic sanctions and their historical effectiveness.
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Discussion with Professor Pape
2:01 to 5:48
Discussion on economic sanctions and their historical effectiveness.
“Joining us now is a great friend of the show, Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, a great friend of our show.”
U.S.-South Korea Relations
5:48 to 11:40
Analysis of current U.S. policies and their impact on South Korea.
“And this is something that's important because there's a second point I want to make, which is you also see the targets lashing back.”
Prospects for Peace in Asia
11:40 to 14:00
Exploring the possibilities of peaceful coexistence in Asia.
“And it was only when we absolutely guaranteed and had that our ground forces would be there, et cetera, et cetera, and actually stationed in South Korea, that they turned off the nuclear program.”
Analyzing Iran's Rising Power
14:00 to 19:26
Explore how Iran's growing power is reshaping geopolitical alliances in the Middle East.
“Scott Besson doesn't talk to doesn't there's no effort, month long effort to bring the world together for an international coalition against Iran.”
Analyzing Iran's Rising Power
20:03 to 21:22
Explore how Iran's growing power is reshaping geopolitical alliances in the Middle East.
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MAGA Influencer's Pentagon Connection
21:34 to 28:00
Delve into the controversial ties between MAGA influencers and U.S. government.
“So let's put this up here on the screen just to reveal how this entire thing happened.”
The DOD's Propaganda Issues
28:00 to 31:30
Explore the controversies surrounding a journalist's hiring by the DOD and FOIA mishaps.
“To then set her up because she didn't understand how FOIA works.”
Ethics in Journalism and Government
31:30 to 33:20
Discuss the ethical implications of undisclosed government funding in journalism.
“This goes way beyond biased journalists.”
Ethics in Journalism and Government
33:45 to 34:34
Discuss the ethical implications of undisclosed government funding in journalism.
“Bite into a stacked sandwich made with hero bread or a fully loaded bagel.”
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Trump's Controversial Beef Deal
35:16 to 42:00
Analysis of Trump's beef import deal and its impact on American ranchers.
“We wanted to get to this rather extraordinary and controversial move when it came to beef imports from President Donald J.”
Impact of Meatpacker Consolidation on Local Economy
42:00 to 46:52
Learn about the consequences of meatpacker consolidation on Nebraska's economy and ranchers.
“But we'll be joined by Dan Osborne, a candidate in Nebraska who's, you know, it's going to be a big issue.”
Dan Osborne on Nebraska's Beef Challenges
46:52 to 54:00
Dan Osborne discusses the effects of beef imports and local economic struggles in Nebraska.
“Yeah, so this is an issue that you have been focused on throughout your campaign, particularly because of the processing facility that was shut down in Nebraska.”
Campaign Insights and Voter Sentiment
54:00 to 56:00
Osborne shares insights on his campaign dynamics and voter reactions amidst challenges.
“from last year because of the drought that's happening because, you know, they have to have water and, you know, their feed that they have isn't growing near as fast as it should be.”
Nebraska's Political Landscape
56:00 to 56:48
Discussion on the impact of bad tariff policies and the need for change in Nebraska's Senate race.
“You know, it's always the economy, it's health care, it's our farming, it's our ag industry that's struggling right now through bad tariff policy, now the war in Iran.”
Nebraska's Political Landscape
57:15 to 58:09
Discussion on the impact of bad tariff policies and the need for change in Nebraska's Senate race.
“Bite into a stacked sandwich made with hero bread or a fully loaded bagel.”
Remembering Dolly Parton
58:52 to 1:03:02
Reflection on Dolly Parton's life, her impact on the working class, and her legacy.
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Dolly's Roots and Community Impact
1:03:03 to 1:04:00
Discussion about Dolly Parton’s humble beginnings and her commitment to her community.
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Transcript
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2:08Joining us now is a great friend of the show, Professor Robert Pape of the University of Chicago, a great friend of our show. It's great to see you, sir. Thank you for joining us. Oh, it's so great to be with you this morning. Absolutely. So, sir, we know we are going to talk about South Korea, but we also know that an extensive part of your work is around economic sanctions. We just did an entire segment about China's expected response. We could put C1 up here on the screen so you could give a little bit more of your analysis. China is saying that they will hit out at, quote, illegal new U.S.
2:37sanctions on Iran and its trading partners. Considering your expertise and your decades-long research into the subject, what do you make of the Secretary Besson's economic D-Day threats here against Iran and its trading partners? Yes, what Scott Besson is doing is going through another route of the escalation trap. He's presenting it as an alternative to war, but that's not what it is. What it's really going to lead to is another escalation trap. And if anything, if he in fact goes forward, it would be more military war. So for 30 years, I have studied, as we all know, air power, but also side by side with that, economic blockades and economic sanctions, publishing big articles, fat appendices, all the cases since World War I.
3:27And here's what people need to know, that starting in World War I, the pattern is different before, but starting in World War I, economic blockades and economic sanctions have never, never on their own won a major war. They've never toppled a government on their own in a major war, and they have never led to capitulation of that government to the coercer's demands. This is extremely important to know because in World War I, there was massive British blockade on Germany. World War II, massive economic sanctions and U.S. blockade on Japan. And in both those cases, that blockade did not stop a messy ground wars.
4:19In fact, they only ended with messy ground wars and with Japan, the atomic bombs. If we look at Saddam Hussein in the 1990s, we imposed economic sanctions on Saddam Hussein after we kicked his forces out of Kuwait, and those stayed on for a dozen years. They dropped the economy's GDP by 48 % each year for 12 solid years and did not stop us from having to invade with 150 ,000 ground forces. Iran, we've been slapping sanctions on Iran for decades. And also Putin. Look at what happened with Russia after he invaded Ukraine. Now, what has been the—we slapped economic sanctions on Russia. What has been the result in all of these cases?
5:08All of these cases, notice they don't lead to peace. They don't lead to cease fire. They lead to failure, strategic failure, and more war, more escalation. So Scott Bessent is really not doing a good service to the world by saying that this is an off-ramp to escalation. And the one question the media should have asked at the press conference is, Secretary Bessent, can you name one case since World War I over the last hundred plus years, just one case that fits your model? All we need is one, sir, one case. And you know what? There's not a case. And this is something that's important because there's a second point I want to make, which is you also see the targets lashing back.
6:01It's the sanctions we slapped on Japan that led to the Pearl Harbor attack. This is not a controversial point at this point. This is well known. And we run the risk that if we go forward, what's going to happen is Iran will lash back, then we're going to spiral back. And that is the escalation trap. These are not off ramps to war. They're effectively the Western way of war because they persuade liberal audiences, done everything you could do. So force is a last resort. That's how you get the liberals on board for wars they don't want to fight. Right. And what examples throughout history do we have of a country as powerful as China being sanctioned?
6:51And what are the what are the implications for the U.S. ability to carry through its threats? Well, well, we don't have to look that far back. Just go back a year, because what the tariffs were on China were effectively economic sanctions. So President Trump used the word tariffs, but if you peel the onion and you look under the hood, they're exactly the trade cutoffs of sanctions. So they're really not much different than sanctions at all. In fact, they're identical. And what happened? China responded with cutting off rare earths. And that may sound a little inside baseball to most people, but it's important to know that these things we call rare earths are not just dirt, but they show up in all the chips that we put in our cars.
7:38I drive a RAV4. You can't produce RAV4s here in Ohio or in the Midwest, in the American plants, if China cuts off those rare earths. So this has much more dramatic consequences. And I'm not at all surprised that what I've been saying China would do is they're just going to bluff it off. They're just going to ignore this. Now, if Scott Besson goes forward and truly cuts off China's banks, then I think China's going to respond. But I don't think China sees this as a real threat yet. I think it's too much bluster here. And that's why Scott Besson wouldn't even mention the word China. Notice he didn't even say the word China.
8:22And he said, and somebody asked him, why aren't you being tough? And he said, well, I don't want to blow up the world financial system. He literally said those words. So think about it. Here we've got the secretary of the treasury unrolling, rolling out a plan. And he says, oh, and by the way, if I execute the plan, we all go down with it. I don't understand. That's not a plan for victory in my book. Maybe you can help me understand this. Washington, this must be what happens in Washington. No, this is more from a standard episode of Veep, unfortunately. Professor, we also wanted to ask you about South Korea.
9:01And just generally in the broader context of what's happening in Asia, we can put D1 up here on the screen. Some pretty shocking new public polling actually coming out of South Korea. For the first time in modern history, really, you see that the opinion of the United States among South Koreans is near an all-time low in 2026. much of it on the heels now of Trump canceling these military exercises with the South, trying to court the DPRK in the North, but also with a lot of our trade relationships and blustering against South Korea on top of many of the other incendiary actions taken against their companies here in our nation.
9:42I know that you have previously given some analysis about when the United States seeks to potentially abandon South Korea, that they can pursue a nuclear weapons program. How do you put it in the broader context of the realignment of U.S. position of power in Asia? Yes. And I've also been to the Seoul Dialogues. I've actually been to South Korea with the president and so forth on the stage. So I know a little bit about the subjects and it's part of what I study. So what you are seeing in that chart, it's very interesting. The actual point where it starts to spike up is in 2025. And what happened in 2025?
10:18Trump's tariffs, which I told you were sanctioned. So he tariffed South Korea as well. And this has an enormous impact on the South Korean economy. And yes, he pulled back a bit from this, but there are still these pretty serious tariffs there. And by the way, South Korea is really peeling the pain from this. So it's no surprise at all that this is where the spike is. And then in the war, it's during the Iran war. Now, President Trump is asking for South Korea to essentially give us some of their destroyers to put at risk because we won't put our destroyers at risk. No, no, no. We just want to we're going to fight to the last South Korean destroyer.
10:58So notice this is not working out very well. And the South Korean public is able to follow this. Now, the bigger picture, though, is what you see is that we are in a quagmire in the Middle East, and we're now pulling our aircraft carrier from Asia that's supposed to be protecting South Korea into this quagmire, and there's no replacement to go back to Asia. So what South Korea, what you really have to worry about as time goes on, is not just this short-term kerfuffle, but South Korea sees there's no more protection from Big Brother Uncle Sam. And what does that mean? The last time they worried about that, they went for nuclear weapons in the 1970s.
11:40And it was only when we absolutely guaranteed and had that our ground forces would be there, et cetera, et cetera, and actually stationed in South Korea, that they turned off the nuclear program. So this is not a small issue. It's not it may be a bit under the media radar right now. It is. But this could be the first nuclear domino to fall outside of the Middle East. We've seen Iran, Saudi Arabia, now South Korea. Well, so racing for nuclear weapons is one way of trying to create some stability. Another is to actually just reach a peaceful coexistence with your neighbor. is there a prospect for that in the region?
12:25Like, could you imagine a world in which the U.S. kind of withdraws its presence? I mean, clearly they're already withdrawing their military capacity there. And that forces the parties there to say, you know what, we're not going anywhere. Like, we need to reach some sort of mutual agreement here by which we can live together peacefully. I do think that's possible. So from 2012 to 15, one of the reasons I went to South Korea is I made eight trips to China, South Korea, and Taiwan in that three-year period. And I was meeting with high-level people, including at the level of the president here, especially the office.
13:08I will say I won't say the individual because if you ever have those conversations, you don't want to say that, about having a meeting, an international conference. And the first step of that that would make sense would be to do it not as a government set of governments getting together, but the way this really happens to build that kind of walking to cooperation is often with academics and civil society, think tanks. And we got quite close here, I would say, to that. I think it would be wise to try that again. But it's difficult right now because the Obama administration was much more open to cooperative international efforts.
13:49You're not seeing any signs of the Trump administration interested in brokering these efforts. And it's not impossible to do without the United States, but it's obviously much easier if there's at least a wink-wink support that this is generally supported from the White House. What you're seeing is the opposite. You're seeing heavy-handed action. Scott Besson doesn't talk to doesn't there's no effort, month long effort to bring the world together for an international coalition against Iran. He just up and announces that and it's his way or the highway. You don't like it. You're either with us or against us.
14:29Well, this is not the way to actually bring people together. So but I do think it's possible. I do think it's really possible. And I think it's worth trying. Connecting to your previous point, Professor, about South Korea, you mentioned Saudi Arabia and Turkey. What do you make? Got very little coverage here in the West. It did seem to be a monumental new security arrangement. What do you make of that security arrangement as we continue to see the emerging security order post-Iran war? Well, this is what is part and parcel of what will happen when Iran becomes the fourth center of world power.
15:06So as I've explained, Iran is on the trajectory to become the fourth center of world power. And as it gets more and more powerful, as you're seeing, we started talking about this, I think, back in April, and now it's becoming more and more a reality. Well, what that means is Iran will want to extend its influence over the frontline Gulf states, literally like the Soviet Union did when it occupied Eastern Europe, and it will want to control the governments. Well, Saudi Arabia, of course, doesn't want to be controlled by Iran. So what does it do? It starts to look for international help. That's Pakistan and Turkey.
15:41And then also starts to think seriously, not just on whiteboards, about nuclear weapons. And that's what you're seeing with Saudi Arabia. They are responding to the result of Iran on the trajectory to become the fourth center of world power. And this will not go unnoticed. It might not be covered much by the media, but you can bet all the governments in the Middle East and the governments in Asia are noticing this. And they are not going to be sort of, even though the media may not cover Iran as the rising force center of world power, the world is going to react to that. So we were talking at the beginning of the program about the interesting dilemma that Iran finds itself in, which is to borrow a phrase, it was almost like a de-escalation trap.
16:35And what I mean by that is that, you know, while they have fought the U.S. to, you know, maybe better than a standstill, you know, they've wiped out a bunch of American bases. They've shown that they can withstand the amount of American punishment that America is able to dish out. We know that the American capacity is, you know, the ammo capacity is minimal at this point, so they don't have a whole lot more left. The U.S. is looking at something like 40 days of oil inventories left. But Iran, too, is facing a severe economic crisis, which could lead to a political crisis. And so now there's a staring game.
17:18You know, who can outlast the other one? And so there's a concern among some Iranian hardliners saying, if we are stuck in this stasis, like, we actually start falling behind. So that's why I say maybe it's a de-escalating trap. They need them to ratchet it back up to get out of it. The only way out is through. So where do you see this kind of stalemate ending? I don't think it's a stalemate. I understand that's the common narrative, but Iran has the upper hand and they're putting their pedal to the metal by initiating attacks. So it's not true. Just because we're not bombing Iran doesn't mean Iran is not using attacks.
18:00So it's not tit for tat anymore. There's no tit for tat's been gone. This is just the wrong framing. What's occurring is Iran is initiating attacks. They've attacked seven UAE tankers in the Strait of Hormuz since August 5th. And what they're doing is they're trying to squeeze America economically in order to put a ride, have gas prices raised to in order to wreck the Trump presidency. There is a clear game plan here by Iran that I think the media is mostly missing, which is Iran is not sitting back and is it not all treading water. Iran is squeezing the oil more and more in the Persian Gulf and also with the Houthis against Saudi oil.
18:48And what that's doing is it's causing the price of gas to go up and also causing real rockiness in our financial markets. Those are the reasons for that. And I think they want to do that through the midterms, at least maybe through January, to basically wreck the Trump presidency and install the Democrats and force the Democrats to take a position on the Iran war. So this is this is Iran playing American politics, not just simply treading water. Right. Makes a lot of sense. Professor, we have another guest standing by. Otherwise, we'd love to keep talking to you. Thank you very much for joining us.
19:27Thank you for having me. Of course. Oh, and Substack. We'll have a link down in the description.
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21:48is an employee over there. So let's put this up here on the screen just to reveal how this entire thing happened. Hate to cite the bulwark, but they had the best write-up on it, so it is what it is. So they say, a MAGA propaganda circular firing squad, how leaking to a prominent pro-Trump influencer prompted accusations of entrapment and a deep state conspiracy. So, Will Sommer, he writes, pro-Trump internet sleuth Jenica Pounds, better known as Data Republican to her one million followers on Twitter, made a grim announcement on Friday. Deep state operatives embedded within the Trump administration had tried to entrap her into committing treason.
22:28She says, It is not okay when the deep state sets you up to commit a crime. I have never been more angry in my entire life. In Pound's portentous telling, an unnamed official, soon be to revealed, Sarah B. Rogers, who is the Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy at the State Department, had offered to leak her government documents about Cuba to publish as an exclusive. While Pounds was initially enthusiastic, markings on the documents prompted her to panic that she was being set up. Had she published the documents, Pounds felt, she would have exposed herself to criminal prosecution. And she then puts all of this out there in an unhinged conspiracy.
23:07Then eventually what happens, it becomes revealed that Ms. Rogers, who works as the Undersecretary for Public Diplomacy, had these documents, which should already be publicly cleared to be released by FOIA, had it been leaking them to her as an exclusive. So you and I, Ryan, see this type of BS all the time. Some public official wants to use you for propaganda purposes. They say, hey, I've got an exclusive for you. It's like 99 % of your interactions with public officials. Literally 99 % of your interactions abound to something like this. And you go, okay, what is it? They give it to you. And again, 98.9 % of the time, it's bullshit.
23:46And you say, I don't care. Go ahead and release it publicly. However, these MAGA influencers, for her, she was going to release these documents about Cuba, about how bad things were going on in Cuba. It's pure propaganda, right? And so what's revealed about this entire thing and why I wanted to do it was to show both the low human capital problem that abounds on the modern right, but also a distinction between independent media and independent journalism. Because anybody who knows anything about journalism would not have thought, wow, this is an elaborate ploy to entrap me. They would have said, this is a stupid story which has no news value whatsoever.
24:28And instead, she's happy to do the latter, but it's the former which she gets upset about. It also shows how these people who are total anonymous, people who come out of nowhere, who have no background in journalism, who have no interest in learning, who abound, who abide by rules, which the legacy media, who I hate, as you know, would never even put themselves in that depths of depravity, basically by releasing whatever they want on behalf of the state. that for them, their lack of professionalism is putting them now in situations where they have to interact with these public institutions and totally beclown themselves.
25:04And what's so funny about this, and I'm sure you'll love this in particular, is let's put E3 up here on the screen, is it now turns out that according to the DOD, that she serves, quote, at the Department of War as a special government employee and is no longer a credentialed journalist at the Pentagon. So get this. She previously remember, we covered this. The two of us, this bullshit Pentagon. They brought in a whole new press corps. They brought in a new press corps, which is a bunch of maggot, you know, influencers. They barely hold any press conferences. They kicked all the real Pentagon journalists out of the building because they refused to sign something saying that they basically wouldn't do their jobs.
25:46And so now it turns out that she was part of that press corps, but now literally works as a special government employee doing what exactly? But, I mean, on behalf of us. And so in this case, you have a government official trying to leak to another government official. And the whole thing comes to you. You're trying to entrap me because I'm a government official. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're paying anonymous ex-influencers who publish a bunch of weird Zionist nonsense all the time about deep state conspiracies. You're part of the deep state. You're working at the Pentagon this entire time.
26:19So I had to give it coverage to show low human capital, the bottom feeders in a lot of independent media that exist right now because they have no standards. They have no journalistic experience. They have no ability to discern general fact, reach out for comment, do anything normal. And, yeah, it's like the fact that all of this happened just, I think, demonstrates what you can see in the emerging MAGA ecosystem. And I didn't pull this element. I probably should have. Ezra Klein wrote a piece in the New York Times, which I actually thought was quite prescient. And he said Democrats, he said Republicans are making the same Democrat mistake that Democrats did.
26:58They had a major Twitter problem. As in, ever since Elon bought Twitter is that people are literally living in a parallel universe where they think things are more popular than not, both rhetorically, politically, from different types of politicians or even overestimating their own influence. And that legacy is bleeding through the Republican elite in the same way that, let's say, wokeism bled through the Democratic elite for during woke one, which was crazy, although not really over, as you showed in your Abdul El-Sayed coverage yesterday. But as he said, that Twitter problem of the small group trying to set the discussion is bedeviling the right in the exact same way.
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27:37And I think this is a good example of that entire thing. Yeah, right. It would be like if it's like they have their own blue sky. like twitter has become the the kind of rights blue sky in it and you can imagine like the same problems that were created by old twitter for democrats would exist if all democrats had to rely on was current blue sky right like they're obviously governed like complete lunatics and that's what's happening here but yeah the stat of republican it's just amazing i i walked in with good faith ready to collaborate on cuba i had a cuban official reach out to me they're like what what on earth is going on here like this is your this is your deep state i was like this is our shallow state yes um it's like what were they even trying to leak like what is going on here um they say got shoved uh got shoved a bunch of hard copy documents to leak didn't check them before accepting yep markings that would have gotten me in big trouble so she really really thought that that they hired her to be a propagandist.
28:34Right. At the DOD. At the DOD. To then set her up because she didn't understand how FOIA works. Right. See, that's another tell, is that any journalist, literally, any, even one of the most basic things you do in Washington as a junior reporter is file these annoying FOIA requests. So you become familiar with what FOIA markings look like. Like if you had experience in this, you'd be like, well, wait a minute. I didn't file this FOIA. What journalist am I screwing over here? Because some journalist went through the actual work or actually this might've been a right wing organization that filed the FOIA.
29:10That's probably what happened. Uh, so you go through this work and you file a FOIA and then once it's ready, the entire public has access to it. But because they paid the money, they, they did the labor, like the courtesy at least is that they're supposed to get the scoop on, on the FOIA documents. You're not supposed to call in. Now, the way it would work differently is if it's a kind of right-wing, kind of activist organization that filed the FOIA, and then they'd be fine if you gave it to a propagandist to break. Ben Smith had a good response in here. He said, it seems like the alternate information space you are trying to nurture needs some work.
29:46It is a skills and training gap, which has been part of the right for decades now. I remember Tucker Carlson in the 2000s giving a speech saying, One of the reasons he built Daily Caller was to confront this skills gap, like actual journalistic skills gap. Yeah, I mean, look, that's a testament. That's where I got my job, my first start. And then he later said it didn't work. Right. He did say it didn't work. But, I mean, I would dispute at least somewhat because if you look at the generation— We got soccer out of it. I mean, not just me. I'm not going to toot my own horn. I mean, there are a lot better journalists that came out of it than I am.
30:21I eventually just became a talking head moron. But at least I came from the background of it. And I have the skepticism to know when people are trying to use you, when they're, you know, how the basics of FOIA work. I mean, these things matter. And there's nothing wrong, you know, with being – if you want to expound on politics, be my guest. But if you were going to talk about exposure, you need to know the very basics of your craft and not look like a conspiracy, you know, written – like, I mean, just look at this. It's like you're literally working for the – first of all, what does it all say about our government that they hire somebody like this?
30:57What? It's like this is humiliating for you on every level, both on the government side, the fact that she was credentialed previously at the Pentagon. So this is the type of work that they think is appreciative. And I think the worst part for me was that the woman who she accused of trying to set her up, Sarah Rogers, was like, it's okay. You should be distrustful of the government. I was like, what? She's totally debasing herself before this. clown no you should say you're an idiot it's like yeah you are literally an idiot uh so yeah that's uh that's where things stand as of right now another former trump administration lawyer responded unfortunate misfire from two of our best yeah and that is your problem yeah and somebody put out these are two of your best somebody showed a funny past uh let's put e5 up here on the screen where she had put out one of these long screens this is kind of her uh her classic who controls the media.
31:51This goes way beyond biased journalists. U.S. taxpayers spend billions funding media abroad to promote democracy. Media is a key soft power tool used to steer public opinion and culture. Media outlets aren't required to disclose who funds their training. This creates a backdoor journalism training programs. Funders can influence media narratives without transparency. All true. You and I both know that's all true. Be literally a government official working for the United States government and the Pentagon. Not disclosing it. And you did not disclose that to your readers while apparently making a shitload ton of money off of these X subscriptions.
32:25By some estimates, nearly a million dollars per year, which I don't even know how you'd square that with ethics whenever you're, I guess, special government employee status. You're allowed to make outside income for up to six months, but I put it all together. The whole thing is crazy. It surely has 22 subscriptions. How? I'm not sure. I don't know exactly where the number came from. I apologize. if that number was incorrect. As I said, some estimate. There was some estimate that she was making quite a bit of a sum in some of these. Anyway, look, regardless, if people are paying you for your information, you're not disclosing who is paying you.
33:02I think that's pretty egregious. As Ben said, maybe your information system needs professionalism. A little cultivating there, yes. All right. Dan Osborne standing by. Let's get to it. 16 years ago, I started working as a CNA in the hospital. I loved it. On the day I decided to enroll in the nursing program at Rasmussen University, it was afternoon, my 35th birthday. I was hanging out with a friend, and they had just questioned me what I was going to do with this next chapter of my life. I immediately had said, I want to go to nursing school. So I actually had contact information from an advisor at Rasmussen, contacted her, and actually ended up starting like three weeks later.
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35:16We wanted to get to this rather extraordinary and controversial move when it came to beef imports from President Donald J. Trump that is rattling the cattle ranching industry. Last week, let's put up this truth social from Donald Trump announcing this deal. He said, And today I concluded a deal to substantially lower the price of ground beef for working American families. As everyone knows, under President Biden, beef prices soared at their fastest rate and the American beef herd fell to its smallest size in modern history. as we work to rebuild this herd and help our ranchers for the next 90 days, right through the election coincidentally, the United States will allow up to 300 ,000 metric tons of product for ground beef to be imported with no out-of-quota tariff.
36:05We have a commitment that this beef will be sold at 25 % below current market prices, which is coincidentally precisely what the tariff is. This deal will reduce prices for Americans, not guaranteed at all, while giving space for our great American beef herd to grow again. So I watched a couple of cattle kind of beef industry podcasts in the wake of this. And that was the line that had them the most confused, to put it generously, or enraged, that it's going to give our giving space for our great American beef herd to grow again. So clearly somebody and the ranchers all assumed that it was JBS, which is a Brazilian beef company, which is a massive donor to the Trump administration because they have some American subsidiaries that can legally donate to American politics.
37:02that JBS got in his ear. And somebody gave him a talking point that this will give them space to grow their herds, you know, because they won't be able to sell any of their own cattle. And so the cattle will just be out there making love and making more. Right, more cattle. Making more calves. Yeah. How does it actually work? The ranch is like, we're all going to go out of business. Like, we're all going to quit. And a bunch of things are saying that they've heard from so many people who are like, this is the last straw. Like we're out. Like we don't even see this as a business that we can be in, that our, that our children can grow into, that we cannot compete.
37:44What they want if they want to grow the herd is some level of certainty that going into the future, there will be a price for their product at which they can sell it and not lose money. Believe it or not. Like that's how, that's how they want to operate a business, not getting no money. Uh, and just, uh, and, and then the herd is just going to magically grow. Like that's, it's, it's, they're like, what on earth are you talking about? So then the question is, where, where is this beef going to come from? Trump was asked, um, here, here's, let's roll F1. On the beef deal, which countries did you make that deal with?
38:25What are the sources of the beef deal. I don't want to say which countries, but there are a few countries, but they're going to be sending in the highest quality beef. And it's something that we need. Now, the presumption is that it's going to come from Brazil and Argentina. That is what all of the kind of cattle industry is assuming. Argentina can send a decent amount. Brazil has most of it, ironically. Maybe it won't bother Sagar but the way that Brazil grows its herd is by chopping down the rainforest and turning the rainforest no why would that why wouldn't that of course that bothers me no it's you don't have to be a bleeding heart liberal lefty environmentalism or something what you gotta love the rainforest to be to be a lib I don't think so and by the way you go to Florida the gulf and you see all that disgusting red algae type stuff that's destroying the tourism industry in the Caribbean and in Mexico and Florida, a lot of significant amounts that is Saharan dust.
39:27So now go pull out your map. Like the Sahara and Brazil are kind of lateral and it is only because of the rainforest that we don't have a Sahara across there. If we do, good Lord. I would more say this way, is that obviously environmental concern is a major concern, but it's not the primary concern, I guess, for me, which is that ultimately is that you can't be a nation, which is that you can't be a real nation if you can't sustain yourself at a very basic level. And that's effectively what has happened with this. What I read about with cattle is that the herd sizes have been dramatically decreasing for six consecutive years.
40:05This year was the first year that it actually was going up. And then what happened is that this undercutting has made it so that they may not be able to make money, period, and it will extend the losses for enough of time on top of fertilizer, diesel, and all these other things that are influencing many of these ranchers and farmers, which is what's screwing them basically simultaneously all at the same time. All of that is reflected for the small cattle herd is reflected in the high price. Ultimately, that's what it's about. That's why beef prices have gone where they are to the extent that we need the government intervention.
40:40It's to make it so that American cattle ranchers can grow more or can have more cattle over a longer period of time in a sustainable fashion to make it so that we have stability of price now and in the future. The other problem is that, like you said, about the cattle and the beef is not all beef is the same. And look, I got a lot of problems in America's beef industry. I think it's catastrophic the way they're treated, et cetera. And we could go, it's a balance because if you treat them better, it would cost a lot more. Fine with me, but not fine for most people because we're in the middle of a beef crisis.
41:19So the problem, I think, is reflected, though, in that you talked about environmental. There's also care standards with the Fed, quality concern. We've seen slashing and USDA inspection. Are we sure that all of this is going to cover or is going to qualify for that? and if you talk to the American cattle rancher, they often will say, look, you can come after us all you want. We treat and raise our cattle in a much better and healthier way, at least for the population of the United States, than compared to a lot of these South American producers. So it's a crisis on every level. And what the South American producers do when they are producing these unhealthy cattles and they blast them with antibiotics that are illegal here and dangerous to human consumption.
42:01We can get into that in a moment. But we'll be joined by Dan Osborne, a candidate in Nebraska who's, you know, it's going to be a big issue. It already is a big issue in the Nebraska race. We can actually jump to, and this is related to the Nebraska race, we can jump to F4. The other thing that is driving prices here is that there's this massive consolidation in the meatpacker industry. And what the meatpackers have been doing is they've been strategically shutting down processing facilities around the country. They did it in Nebraska, and in a town of like 10 ,000 people, this processing facility employed over 3 ,000 people.
42:46And we're talking 10 ,000 men, women, and children in this town. So basically the entire town was organized around this processing plant. And the argument that the Packers make is, well, there's not enough business coming in. But what actually seems to be going on is that by shutting down this particular plant, and as you saw there, we've seen a massive plant that just shut down in Illinois, another plant shut down in Pennsylvania. That means that the ranchers who then need to sell their cattle, they have fewer options to sell it to and they have to travel further. So they're willing to take a lower price.
43:32So that pushes down the price that, again, that the ranchers can get for the cattle. And then because there are only a few of these packers, they can then set the price when they sell it to the customer. So they're setting prices when they're buying from the farmers and they're setting prices when they're selling it to us. That's why, as I said at the beginning, when Trump says that importing this 300 ,000 metric tons is going to lower prices, it doesn't have to if you have a monopolistic, concentrated industry. They can sell for whatever they want to sell it for. Now, Trump might make some phone calls and kind of jawbone it down for 90 days just to get through the midterms.
44:18But that obviously is not a long-term solution. Now, again, now, Rick Rollins, the ag secretary, has been fighting against this, as have a lot of Republican senators, for a very long time. And she stopped him from doing this previously. you can tell from this clip here that she's kind of been been cut out of the question here. So let's do F2. What's this big countries have been in talks with the U.S. about stepping up towards the side from Mexico? I am not privy to talk about that. I think the conversations are still going on. And that's Ambassador Greer, who's finalizing what exactly that looks like.
44:58And I think the president's involved in that as well. Always good when your ag secretary is not privy to the ag negotiations. So then to underscore the politics of this, she's against this. So the fact that she's clueless on this suggests, you know, who's winning it. We put up F5 Republican Senator Tim Sheehy from Montana just absolutely losing his mind over this. And this relates to nearby Nebraska. I've advised President Trump against this course of action for a year because American ranchers have been struggling against the Packer monopoly for decades. And this will further harm them, most of whom are MAGA Republicans.
45:35President's heart is in the right place on wanting lower prices for the American people. And beef prices have been impacted by the Mexican screw worm, which came up because we stopped monitoring for the screw worm. Thanks, Doge. But the reality is this action will make it more difficult for American ranchers to rebuild our herd and bring down prices for the American people. And most importantly, this will harm our ranching families who feed the nation. Chuck Grassley, still a senator, despite the loss of his vacuum, Beth, recently, says, after Tyson closure in Illinois last week, I'm concerned for the cattle markets.
46:12And now President Trump's decision to temporarily open up subsidized beef imports. USA cattlemen should always be put first through America First policies, need to keep up progress, fighting screw worm and expanding the domestic herd. Those are just a couple of the reactions from these Midwestern and Western senators who are just appalled at what this is doing to the industry and to the people who have supported the president for a decade now. Exactly. Let's bring in Dan Osborne and give his reaction. So yes, joining us now to discuss is independent Nebraska Senate candidate Dan Osborne. Dan, thanks for being here.
46:51Really appreciate it. Good to see you, sir. Yeah, thank you for having me on. Yeah, so this is an issue that you have been focused on throughout your campaign, particularly because of the processing facility that was shut down in Nebraska. It was Lexington, Nebraska. Is that the town? Yeah, correct. About 3 ,300 jobs. 3 ,300 jobs in a town of something like 10 ,000 people. First of all, let me start with that. What has been, And what has happened to the town? Like, have you been there since? How is the town weathering the collapse of its entire industry? Yeah, it's definitely struggling. I mean, it's not just that Tyson plant that's affected, right?
47:32It's the gas stations, the schools, the churches, the car dealerships. I mean, you think about it, the hotels, the landlords, everything that goes into a town that size. they are definitely struggling to try to pivot to find some industry to come in there to help prop it up. Yeah, and I remember at the time you were arguing that the federal law, I think the Stockyards and Packers Act, should come into play because it seemed like the Packers were strategically closing the plant in order to manipulate prices, which is against federal law. Your opponent, Pete Ricketts, said that he looked into that and decided that it was not a violation of the law and that it should be treated more like a natural disaster.
48:21So what has the federal government done if this was a natural disaster? Abandonment, I suppose, would be the word for it. I mean, look, Tyson, this is what Tyson does, right? They've just paid out two lawsuits recently of over$80 million for price fixing. you know strategically working with other packers to shut down plants around the country so they could dictate to the producer what they pay for their product all the way to the grocery store what we pay and this is just like a little fine it's kind of like the new york yankees going above the salary cap it's just a price of doing business for them so uh it's very frustrating and they are breaking the law by not putting that plant up for sale too tyson did the same thing in norfolk Nebraska years ago with a chicken plant.
49:10They dumped concrete down their drain on the way out so a competitor couldn't buy it. So, sir, one thing I'm curious about is you and your opponent both seem to find yourself against this administration's order on beef. I believe that Senator Ricketts says, yeah, he says that this is not a long-term solution. Flooding the market with lower quality beef compromises Nebraska farmers and ranchers. They should be enabled to grow herd sizes and meet consumer demand. So what actually sets you apart from Senator Ricketts on this issue? Yeah, I think that it's I'm not a rubber stamp, right? That's what, you know, he's rubber stamped everything that's happened up until this point.
49:49You know, as governor, he had an opportunity to go after the meat packers. And let's be clear, that's who's going to win in all this, right? Because what happens with foreign beef is it comes up across the border. It goes to the packers. They take the package off from Brazil or Argentina, whatever. They repackage it with a sticker that says USDA. And, you know, that's where M-Cool is so important. You know, mandatory country origin of labeling. People deserve to know where their products coming from. And the ranchers, they deserve a premium for their premium product that they raise right here in Nebraska.
50:24Nebraska is first in beef. So, you know, this issue is going to hit our state pretty hard in an industry that's already been being hit pretty hard with fires and drought. Yeah. And Sagar and I were just talking about this before the program. From a consumer perspective, I think neither of us are really interested in this kind of Argentinian beef that they're trying to force on us. But it's very difficult to even tell if that's what you're getting. How do I know? So we can put up F8 for a second. So the FDA has been reducing the number of inspections may end some of them entirely. Meanwhile, you put up F9 here.
51:04Recently, China rejected a massive shipment of frozen Argentinian beef that was headed over there because they found residue of an antibiotic that is illegal to use in the United States. The Chinese don't want it. And it can even be fatal to humans who even in trace amounts. So there's a good reason that we've made this illegal. But if you're raising the cattle and slaughtering them in unhealthy, unsanitary circumstances, then you kind of have to blast them with this kind of illegal antibiotics and other things that these foreign importers are using. And then we see F10, and you can put this up.
51:50This is in the state of Florida. Florida announced a recall earlier in August of something like 20 ,000 tons of Argentinian beef that was shipped throughout Florida and Texas for various problems that it was having. And so, yeah, Dan, just kind of as consumers, let's say we just bumped into your bar and we're asking for your expertise in this. Like as consumers, if people are watching this and they want Nebraska beef, but they don't want this Argentinian stuff that has God knows what in it, how do you go about figuring that out? That's a great question. I don't have an answer for that. You know, like I said, it's going to go through the meat packers.
52:35Hopefully the administration does the right thing. hopefully our governor here, who is against this transaction, that they do do some country of origin labeling here to protect consumers. And this is right on the tail end of Taylor Farms and lettuce and jalapenos that we've already been dealing with. So this is definitely troubling for consumers. And then we're going to rely on the meat sellers to actually give us a discount if we are purchasing that beef, which I'll hold my breath on. Dan, I'm curious for your perspective. We read a lot about the American farmer. We hear about how they're under pressure on diesel, on fertilizer, and now here in terms of being undercut on beef.
53:22Can you just tell us a little bit what you're hearing from some of your potential constituents? Yeah. Yeah, the first person I called is a rancher friend of mine. And he was like, man, I'll tell you what, this is really frustrating because this is happening at a time where ranchers are taking their product to sell barns and they're selling it. And last year, they finally made a decent amount of money for what their product's worth comparatively from years prior. So our ranchers are finally starting to turn profits. and he told me this is absolutely going to undercut my business at a time where he had to cut his herd in half from last year because of the drought that's happening because, you know, they have to have water and, you know, their feed that they have isn't growing near as fast as it should be.
54:15So, and then you add on the fires, you know, over a million acres have burned in Nebraska. So this is a huge problem, but we have to let the market course correct itself. And again, flooding it with foreign beef is a massive mistake for our ranchers. And I want to finish by asking about the poll that was done by your campaign that is now circulating in the Nebraska press this morning. Kind of shocking, and we can maybe add this in post. It finds you tied head to head. 47 percent Osborne, 47 percent Ricketts, the rest undecided. It shows you with a 67 to 25 percent lead with with independent voters.
55:00Ricketts is the son of a billionaire family. I think they own what do they own? The Cubs or they own Wrigley Field or they own E-Trade or Ameritrade. Like enormous amounts of money have kind of rained down onto the Ricketts family, which he's been able to use to spend on endless advertising against you. And so you would expect that at this point in the campaign, you'd be a little bit behind. Have you have you gone up on the air at all yet? No, my my campaign has not gone up on the air yet. We're getting outspent six to one. And, you know, his ads are all negative. Uh, 99 % lies about me. That's, that's what he does.
55:44But you know, that's, but this, the, the poll reflects the sense that I'm feeling on the ground. Uh, there's a lot of energy. There's a lot of momentum. We're on, and we're in the middle of a 93 County tour going to every single County in Nebraska. We're turning out people that are concerned, uh, for, for many reasons. You know, it's always the economy, it's health care, it's our farming, it's our ag industry that's struggling right now through bad tariff policy, now the war in Iran. And people are looking for a change. And, you know, again, they're fed up. So, you know, he just wrote himself a check for five and a quarter million dollars.
56:26He spent three million dollars on this negative ad campaign he's running. But Nebraskans aren't dumb. They're fed up. and I think it's time for a change and it's time to give this seat back to the working people in Nebraska where it belongs. We watch your campaign with great interest, sir. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, thank you guys so much for having me on. Appreciate you. We got it. Talk to you soon. Okay. I think something that makes me well-studded to be a nurse is my empathy. Growing up with a big family, I think I've always kind of been a caregiver. When you care give, you get to know the family and the patient and you get really close and Rasmussen University, they did a very, very good job of giving us the resources that we need.
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59:21So you have on the one side Democratic Socialists of America. DSA extends our deepest condolences to the family, friends and fans of Dolly Parton, a hero of the working class and an inspiration to us all. And then next to it, Donald J. Trump, very sad to report that Dolly Parton, one of the greatest country singers and far beyond ever, has just passed away. This is a true loss for millions of people. There's never been anyone like her and never will. In her honor, I am lowering the American flag throughout the United States for a one-week period, beginning tonight at 6 p.m. Rest in peace, Dolly.
59:57The world loves you. To have both DSA and Donald Trump memorializing the figure. So I wanted to finish this with one line from a song of Dolly Parton's that has always stuck with me for how profoundly it captures the experience of poverty in America. And it gets at her ability to relate to a country that is so kind of steeped in it and has such a complicated relationship with it. And so here's how I described it. Then running into the quote itself, I wrote, This is from We've Got People. There's nothing simple about the experience of poverty, a trauma that manifests in people in many different ways.
1:00:41It is also that rare experience that people work hard to obscure in real time, yet almost universally tend to exaggerate later in life. There's a deep shame in being poor, yet great pride in having been poor, a contradiction that was best put into words by Dolly Parton in her song, In the Good Old Days, When Times Were Bad. The chorus goes, no amount of money could buy from me the memories that I have of then. No amount of money could pay me to go back and live through it again. It really gets at the essence of so much about America and the way that as we're living, as we're poor, we do everything we can to pretend that we're not.
1:01:25and then later when we're looking back at it, we have deep pride in it and many people will even exaggerate how poor they were. I think what I respect about Dolly was not only her music, nine to five obviously, like a working anthem, I think for a lot of America, but for her, she embodied this person who both came from her area, she never abandoned her roots to the community. She donated millions of dollars to the people directly around her. and kind of always used her platform to enrich or to at least help the people who she always felt like she owed her career to. And to the extent that that's admirable for rich people in this country, it's ultra-admirable at a time like now where, what has Sam Altman done for San Francisco?
1:02:14What have any of these people done? At least Carnegie had the decency to build us a library, which is now an Apple store here in Washington, which makes me cry. It's crazy. I look at it. You know, you can go to the J.P. Morgan Museum in New York City. Can you go to the Altman exhibit, to the Amadei, to the Jamie Dimon? You know, it's like none of them. And sure, they whitewash their money. And we get the Gates Foundation. Yeah, the Gates Foundation, which is like, God, who even knows in terms of the conspiracy behind that one. But just more broadly, there's just something so deeply American and admirable about I came from this place.
1:02:52I know these people. I'm going to use whatever I have to actually take care of them, to sing on behalf of them and to try and use that platform. And so we shall not see her like again. In 2020, I took the kids to Dollywood. Oh, nice. It's a spectacular amusement park. I know. People loved it. It's great. And in it, they have a complete accurate rendition of the home that she grew up in. Wow. That, to me, is the most memorable part of it. You can probably just Google and find an image of it. But it's incredible because it's this one-room home. So if she was 80, you know, 1940s, you know, electrification was barely.
1:03:32Yeah, I know. People have no comprehension of what poverty looked like pre-1960s. This one-room home where there were like 8 to 10, you know, fluctuating members of the family. Basically people sleeping, sitting up. Yeah. Spending the entire day outside because there's just nowhere inside. look that place up. That's where she came from. She never forgot it. And she never forgot the people and the way that it shaped her. RIP Dolly. We won't see another person like you. No, we won't. Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate it. Another bro show for everybody tomorrow. See you then.
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Professor Pape returns to talk South Korea and sanctions failing, then a MAGA influencer caught working for the Pentagon. After we speak to Nebraska Senate candidate Dan Osborn about U.S. ranchers upset over Trump's Beef import deal, and finally Ryan gives a touching tribute to the music legend Dolly Parton.
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