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19:36Emily Jashinsky:Or you can say this is crony capitalism. Well, if it's crony capitalism, make it actual strategic crony capitalism where you're putting the cronies in place and you're developing your industrial policy from the top down rather than just enriching people. Sagar has been on a roll on Twitter lately. Comrade and Jenny. Go check out Brother Sagar's response to this. He's pointed out that, say, Intel's, the New York Stock Exchange is way up in the last 20 years. China's is not. Yet China has developed an actual kind of economy and manufacturing base. He points to Intel's stock, which has, like, doubled in the last 15 years or whatever, while Intel itself is, like, hollowed out.

20:19Like, we have a system that extracts wealth from our economy to the rich. And what Sagar, myself, Howard Lutnick, and President Xi want to see is an economy that creates wealth for the society itself.

20:40Emily Jashinsky:On that point about Chairman Xi, apparently your comrade. Let's roll A2 because Howard Lutnick talked about China as well. Mr. Secretary, I'm really interested in how you personally would see it if another country did something of this ilk back. Because I know how much you don't like non-tariff barriers. You mean like China does it every day? Yeah, yeah. You mean China does it every single day? That's exactly what I want to ask about, because I totally get that perspective on China. And it's obviously led to so much of the last year's policy towards China in the last decade since President Trump came in.

21:16But what about from a U.K. perspective? What if the U.K. started to take stakes in domestic companies that kind of act as a China-like approach to this? No, no, but does that count as a non-tariff barrier? I mean, you don't you're not really thinking about the fact that the UK government nationalized British steel a couple of months ago. Yeah. I mean, really? I mean, look, I'm genuinely asking about that. Do we get punished for that now? Do we deserve to be? No, you don't get punished for it, because what they did is what happened is the Chinese, a Chinese company bought British steel, put British steel out of business and was just importing, you know, subsidized Chinese steel put the British steel industry out of business.

22:00And the British figured out, along with the Trump administration, teaching them that you need steel to be a real country to be able to defend yourself. And the British figured that out. They nationalized British steel. And now, because they nationalized British steel, America can do a deal with Britain on steel, because Otherwise, we would just be inviting the Chinese in. Imagine British steel was really Chinese steel.

22:27Emily Jashinsky:And Ren, there are no libertarians on the show, so we can treat the argument as foolish as it actually is, because you can't have national defense without industrial policy. Without national. Yeah. You can't actually have a military without industrial. You can't have a strong military without industrial policy. And so it's obvious. And the point Howard Lutnick is making is also obvious. And what the Trump administration is doing right now is just sort of putting the lie to all of the right's pretenses for years and not just the right sort of the center centrist Democrats as well, that this is some type of like efficient free market middle ground.

23:09Emily Jashinsky:who's been calling this capitalism with American characteristics? I forget who coined that, obviously, in reference to socialism with Chinese characteristics, which is what Xi Jinping refers to the Chinese system as. But I don't understand the moral panic because this is not worse than the status quo. That's my perspective. I think it comes with all kinds of disadvantages and baggage, but the status quo does as well. So it's like... Right. Well, you don't understand the moral panic because... It's not even that different. It's not coming for you. It's coming for that guy. Yeah. Guys who wear cufflinks on a Tuesday and sit on CNBC and their starched white shirts as avatars for this industry, Wall Street, that has spent the last 40 years hollowing out the country.

23:50It was so instructive the way he said, but why should we be punished for this? What he wants is to be able to continue to hollow out our economy, put a giant funnel into the economy, suck all the wealth out of it, distribute it up to the very top. wear cufflinks on a Tuesday, watch the standard of living of the middle class erode, destroy unions, that was the goal, but then after that, they went just hog wild afterwards, saying, why should we be punished for this?

24:25Like, why do you think you should be punished for this? Like, what you represent should not exist.

24:33Emily Jashinsky:But I don't even know to what extent this will actually be punishing them, Well, it's punishing them in the sense that they don't get to commit crimes against the American people forever. They might have to actually make something that makes the country and the world a better place. I hope so. But it's just also like a 10 % stake in a board seat. And they would see that, like they would definitely see that as a punishment. Oh, absolutely. Now, we can set aside like. Because it takes away money from the hedge funds that need to be used to make us all better. You need to have that little extra money to trade on and put it into the hedge funds and have some fun with.

25:14And I don't want to stand in the way of Comrade Trump when he's like on his way to nationalizing the economy here. But I would point out, like, if you want to share on the upside of corporate America's wealth creation for itself, the way to do that is you tax them when they actually make income. like you actually tax them, buying 10 % or just taking 10 % of Intel without taking any controlling share of it is kind of a dead end because it's like, okay, what are you going to do with that 10 %? Let's say Intel doubles in another five years. Now your 10 % that you had was worth 10 billion. Now it's worth 20 billion.

25:52You sell it? What are you doing? What are you doing with this 10 %? The point of government involvement with these companies and when it comes to China or the UK or anywhere else, is to tell them what to do. Direct them like, hey, we think actually it would be good if we made these chips somewhere in the country. So we're going to, as a policy, tell the companies that we're involved with, go do that. Like that's the point. Not so your portfolio kind of goes up. Because then you have the problem, well then what? You just go on ameritrade and sell your shares like is trump day trading intel shares yeah so the i see this as a

26:35Emily Jashinsky:really pathetic statement on congress and our ability to make any law like the conservative movements consensus on what tax policy should look like is not what any of the republican tax bills from 2017 to the One Big Beautiful Bill have looked like. The One Big Beautiful Bill is not what the American people would say they want their tax policy to look like. And there's actually a way that you can write tax policy without taking a 10 % stake in Intel and a board seat that makes Intel a better company. You can close myriad tax loopholes. You can do all kinds of different things, carrots and sticks, to make Intel a better company.

27:19Emily Jashinsky:but we don't legislate anymore. We actually do not legislate anything that isn't a gargantuan omnibus. So we have no smart policies and you end up then with a strong man in power. And that's basically, I'm not saying - My only disagreement - It's authoritarian. I'm just saying that it's like, because we are now so desperate to have companies like Intel that are getting the privileges of incorporation in the United States and all kinds of benefits from the taxpayers, because we can't even have them operating in a basically moral way. We have to try to force them through executive authority, which is, I mean, that's where we are.

28:00My disagreement there would be that the Inflation Reduction Act was actual industrial policy. It said, and they called it this just to satisfy it, Manchin, it was basically the clean energy bill. And it said, we as a country believe that going forward, we need to move away from fossil fuels and we need to pivot to clean energy. And we need a lot of energy. And so we need to invest in transmission. We need to invest in moving the energy from where it's produced to where it's consumed. And we need to innovate in how we create that energy. And that was basically uprooted by Trump.

28:38Emily Jashinsky:But that was also a giant... I mean, that bill was a hulking mess too. and some parts of it had to be, like a lot of the stuff made it hard for people who were trying to build factories because there was all kinds of like, there's I think a pretty legitimate abundance argument about some parts of that bill. But either way, yes, I agree that that was industrial policy. And I think there was a little bit of industrial policy in the one big beautiful bill too. There is. Yeah, there's attempts at it. It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. This season, we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice.

29:13Guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of slide into people's DMs. I like Bumble. Also, girl, farmersonly.com. Estate sales, funerals, auctions are usually good. There's a lot of good men there. Grocery stores near gyms. Darcy Cardin. I remember being like, I know this is good advice, but I really don't want to do that. So you didn't take her advice? I didn't take her advice. Are you still friends with that woman? No. She actually was kind of toxic. Neil deGrasse Tyson I spent my whole life looking up I was a geek kid I had a telescope at age 12 and so So you didn't have sex for a long time? Sherry Oteri Were you a soap opera person?

29:54Young and restless Okay Well first of all you should know it's the young and the restless I can't even believe you're mispronouncing the title Some of us abbreviate it because we've been so weird for so many years T.S. Madison Are you into poly? No No I don't think so No I could have told you no on that. Girl, why are you not into Polly? Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is styled. She is not into Polly. Girl, try Polly. Anna Faris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Hannah Gadsby, Adam Scott, Wanda Sykes, and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

30:35At concerts, we dance to the same tune. At games, we hug total strangers. And yet, in these moments, there's also something we don't do. We don't act based on how they look, who they love, where they're from, or what they believe. We just act. Because the things that make us different will never change what makes us human. Go to lovehasnolabels.com to learn more. Brought to you by Love Has No Labels and the Eye Council. Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America?

31:18Developers with right-wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is pioneers in Appalachia. But they weren't just planting houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life. Stop right there. Is that normal? A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment. God need men to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here. Our hometown is not a test tube. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration.

32:00Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to Our Town starting August 7th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Meanwhile, this all goes hand in hand with Trump's continued push to take over the Federal Reserve. You put up A4 here. Breaking Points talked about this earlier this week. This is probably the biggest news in the country at the moment. Um, Lisa Cook is a member of the board of governors and Trump wants to not just replace Powell when his term is up later this year, uh, but to have a majority of basically pro Trump doves.

32:40Uh, and in order to do that, he needs to, needs to get, uh, Lisa Cook out of the way. Uh, Lisa Cook has last night said she's going to sue to keep her position arguing that, um, you know, Trump doesn't have the power to remove her for policy reasons. We all know that Trump is removing her for policy reasons, because he wants to take control of the Federal Reserve. They combed through her records to try to find some justification for that.

33:10Emily Jashinsky:I asked, I actually reached out to Bill Pulte's office yesterday to ask how they stumbled upon the mortgage records because a Georgetown professor wrote an interesting blog about how in order to do that, you're basically, it's not like you're using the federal government to dig up the records. It wasn't as though somebody dropped them in their lab. Right. There is a reasonable case to be made that Pulte himself broke the law. And there's privacy records around what executives at the FHA are able to look at when it comes to Americans' personal data. If the FBI or, let's say, Atlanta Police, which is where one of her places was, Condo, wants to get a tip on some mortgage fraud, then there are ways that we investigate mortgage fraud.

33:58You can file a subpoena. You can get a warrant. You can go look into this stuff. You're like, wait, I don't think I've ever seen a criminal referral from the FHFA before. That's odd. I'm sure this is just a run-of-the-mill criminal case going on. Oh, they went fishing through all of Lisa Cook's information. Yeah, and they found, if people are not familiar, that she bought a place in 2021 and called it her primary residence in Michigan or wherever it was. Two weeks later, bought another one, a condo, and also called it her primary residence, which meant that she got a lower interest rate on one of them than she would have gotten if she would have called it her vacation condo.

34:42Emily Jashinsky:It's pretty... Now, 2021, by the way, last point, interest rates were like zero. Yeah. So, like, the difference between... Why bother? What she was going to pay as a vacation home versus a primary with her income and her like, you're going to get, especially in 2021, you're getting a two something interest rate no matter what. So did she corruptly save a few hundred dollars a year on one of those mortgages? Probably. Yeah. I mean. Is it corrupt? Looks that way. Yeah. Yeah, it does. What about if it's two-hour parking and you park for four and you know you did, but you don't pay? I mean, that's corrupt.

35:30Emily Jashinsky:It's corrupt if you're a governor on Federal Reserve Board. Yeah, and if this emerged any other way, you know what? Hey, she should suffer the consequences of her actions, whatever those would be. But it emerged because he wants to take control of the Fed so that he can personally, so that he can do his tariff policy and then monkey with interest rates at the same time to try to balance that out, which you could argue the president should be able to do. And we shouldn't have these like technocrats over there. Right. Controlling this. So I think that's a good point. That's a separate argument. I think it's obviously true that the administration or that Donald Trump himself wants a full takeover of the Federal Reserve.

36:18Emily Jashinsky:So this would give him, if his nominees are confirmed, four out of the seven seats he has. It's trying to fast track the man who's already been nominated for the third seat to get him confirmed quickly and is mulling right now whether to nominate someone to put in Lisa Cook's place right away, even though this is going to be tied up in the courts, maybe kicked actually to the Supreme Court. And actually, Ryan, you'll love this, could put Humphrey's executor back in the spotlight because this is like actually the history of Humphrey's executor playing out. The question of unitary executive theory that the Trump administration or the theory that the Trump administration has of what executive power should look like is more in line with Frank and Delano Roosevelt than it is with basically any other, certainly any other Republican president.

37:04Emily Jashinsky:But that's what the question is, whether this is truly independent. Is it different from some of the other independent agencies that the Trump administration has been saying should be brought to heel by a president, whether they're Republican or Democrat? Is it different because it's the Federal Reserve? That's something that's also been argued in the courts. So this is a really significant move because it is going to test some fundamental questions. And as we look back on the first seven months of the Trump administration, seven and a half months of the Trump administration, it is remarkable how many fundamental questions of governance are being kicked to the Supreme Court for foundational constitutional tests.

37:42And it's going to test my theory of the court. I'm curious what you think will happen, because my theory of the court has always been that it is a radical far right wing court, but it has deep ties with the Reagan business wing of the Republican coalition. and therefore will push back on Trump's more populist efforts when it comes to undermining what they see as the integrity of the kind of neoliberal economy. And this goes right to it. You can put up A5. Markets already. So on the one hand, markets are responding in a schizophrenic way because on the one hand, they're like, whoa, this could mean even deeper interest rate cuts, which could mean asset price bubbles.

38:27and so therefore we need to buy. On the other hand, it looks like Argentina and Turkey models are being applied here in the United States, which means we're going to get runaway inflation. And so the 10-year note plummeted, which means interest rates that the U.S. has to pay for its debt went up significantly around these inflation concerns because the idea is that whether it's Bernie Sanders or Trump or whoever, if they control interest rates, then one of the checks on what they can do, the bond market, is not as immediate a concern. So if Trump's doing tariff policy and is destroying the economy, he can just dial down, he can just print a whole lot of money, basically, to try to like paper over, literally paper over the problems that his policies are creating.

39:27And so then the thinking from Wall Street is, well, then they're going to do a lot of these problematic things. They're going to bust all the budgets. In the short term, they'll cover it up with, by printing money, and in the long term, you'll get inflation, like in Argentina or Turkey or wherever else. And so that's what's driving the other Wall Street moves. But they're still, they're sort of confused. So the idea, my idea of the court would be that their Reagan instincts will take over. It'd be like, we don't actually want this much of a populist revolution to the point where the president is just setting interest rates.

40:03What's your read on the court? You know these jackals better than I do.

40:08Emily Jashinsky:I think your read is correct on that. It would be, it's not just a Reagan instinct necessarily. it's also, I mean, you're looking at the full picture of the administration's moves here. I'm curious how the process question plays into this, because I referenced earlier the Georgetown law professor, Adam Levitin, who wrote a blog post that said, quote, the only way anyone would have noticed a problem with Cook's loan application is that Pulte, as head of FHFA, directed Fannie or Freddie to pull her application, and that is unheard of. Does that also factor in, and by the way, I sent that to the FHFA and asked if that was true, didn't get a response back.

40:50Emily Jashinsky:But I'm curious if that plays into the broader question of how this played out legally. Is there a legal, you know, if you're a cop and you don't read the Miranda rights, you've got a problem in your prosecution. Is there a question of how all of this happened that would also kick in so somebody even like Justice Alito is uncomfortable with the decision? I don't know. But I think your instinct is correct that it would wouldn't necessarily even just be a reagan instinct so much as a um normie instinct i don't know if that makes sense but just discomfort with yeah right they're they're normies too yeah yeah right and they're also probably like oh when i bought that boat what did i put down as my income right like oh am i am i in trouble now too well and there's this divide that has never been clarence thomas is still in the supreme court clarence thomas still there um flagrantly corrupt oh come on are you like joking like the guy he forgot to disclose like enormous amounts of bribes and his like rich friend bought his bought his like mom's house next to say like i agree all that was bad yeah i mean i agree all that was bad i don't think it was like evidence of significant corruption he was if you're taking gifts they're all vacationing with rich people and the the rv loan i'll say was bad the forgiven an RV alone was that was all bad stuff yeah uh well I think I mean everyone in general there's just just just friends they had nothing to do with the fact that he's a supreme court justice it's very clear as soon as he said that he was broke and was thinking about retiring and they're like oh my god we're gonna lose this seat the money started flowing to him that's that's the timeline he wrote a letter to the to congress saying supreme court justices aren't paid enough I I can't keep Ginny in the RVs that she needs.

42:41Emily Jashinsky:This was like 15 years. Yeah, way back. So he said this to congressional Republicans. You need to give more money to Supreme Court justice. Not fair. Or I'm going to quit, basically. That was the message of the letter that he sent out. I think he's probably right about Supreme Court justice, by the way. Yeah, but they found another way to pay him. The money just started flowing in all of a sudden. Not so he would rule any differently, but so that he would stay on the bench. So anyway. That's a good point. But I think the primary narrative is that he's being bribed by like Harlan Crow to rule differently in the court.

43:12Emily Jashinsky:And I think the only reason he was bribed to stay on the court. The reason they're friends will take care of you because they agree. Right. And whatever RV she wants. Ideological compatriots. Yeah. Right. And the RV loan was I think the last part of it was forgiven. Something like that. So anyway, all that is to say, Clarence Thomas actually might be the interesting one on this question, because what I was just about to say was the salience of the unitary executive theory hasn't been strong in the conservative movement for a long time because you have this group of people who really wants to be critical of FDR.

43:46Emily Jashinsky:And the line of the conservative movement has been FDR governed like a king. But then same thing with Obama. And then there's this also argument that's existed since Nixon that the president should have power over the deep state executive agencies. And those two things are kind of in conflict. And I'm actually curious how Clarence Thomas would rule on that because there is no consensus among the Reaganite federalist society world on that. MAGA tends to be more FDR, obviously, more pro-governing like FDR than old school Republicans. But at the same time, it's an argument that old school Republicans could get behind, too, because some of them went through it with Nixon.

44:28Emily Jashinsky:it. Now, we were going to talk briefly about this crazy person in the White House talking about how gas is under$2 in some places. But like, why? We're tight. Show's getting tight. Let's move on to his cankles. Well, let's say Trump did say gas was below$2. Gas Buddy says we're not seeing any stations reported to us below$2 a gallon this morning. No, of course not. Nobody's seeing that. So, yes. Anyway, let's move on then to what did you say is cankles? Just cankles. It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. This season, we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice. Guests like Tiffany Haddish kind of slide into people's DMs.

45:09I like Bumble. Also, girl, FarmersOnly.com. Estate sales, funerals, auctions are usually good. There's a lot of good men there. Grocery stores near gyms. Darcy Cardin. I remember being like, I know this is good advice, but I really don't want to do that. So you didn't take her advice? I didn't take her advice. Are you still friends with that woman? No. She actually was kind of toxic. Neil deGrasse Tyson. I spent my whole life looking up. I was a geek kid. I had a telescope at age 12. And so... So you didn't have sex for a long time? Sherry Oteri. Were you a soap opera person? Young and restless.

45:46Okay. Well, first of all, you should know it's the young and the restless. I can't even believe you're mispronouncing the title. Some of us abbreviate it because we've been so weird for so many years. T.S. Madison. Are you into poly? No, no, I don't think so. No, I could have told you no on that. Girl, why are you not into Polly? Just based on what she's wearing and the way her hair is styled. She is not into Polly, okay? Girl, try Polly. Anna Faris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein, Hannah Gadsby, Adam Scott, Wanda Sykes, and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

46:26At concerts, we dance to the same tune. At games, we hug total strangers. And yet, in these moments, there's also something we don't do. We don't act based on how they look, who they love, where they're from, or what they believe. We just act. Because the things that make us different will never change what makes us human. Go to lovehasnolabels.com to learn more. Brought to you by Love Has No Labels and the Ag Council. Our town is small taters by most standards, right? But to the people who grew up here, it's everything. What happens when a quiet Tennessee town becomes the front line in a battle over the future of America?

47:08Developers with right-wing ties have purchased hundreds of acres of land in the area. The first thing you see when it pops up is pioneers in Appalachia. But they weren't just planting houses. We need cities on a shining hill that exemplify and embody the Christian way of life. Stop right there. Is that normal? A podcast about what happens when a small town becomes the site of a social experiment. God need men to rule. Great. And decides to fight back. Do not use my hard work to sell your bull. They're not just opposing what's being planned for here. Our hometown is not a test tube. They feel like they're standing in opposition to an entire administration.

47:50Guess you didn't move in on a bunch of dumb hillbillies now, did you? Listen to Our Town starting August 7th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

48:03So is Donald Trump going to die? Well, we're all going to die. Is Donald Trump going to die today? Doubtful.

48:10Emily Jashinsky:No. Soon? Maybe. He is 79 years old and Alex Jones, one of his preeminent supporters in the new media ecosystem, although Alex Jones is kind of a new media pioneer, if you think about it. He's been new media for 30 years. Yeah, exactly. Knew me for 30 years. But one of Donald Trump's preeminent backers is deeply concerned, actually, about the state of Trump's health because of the images, because in part of the images that continue rolling out of Trump with bruised hands and very swollen ankles. So this would be one we can roll through some of this. Trump reappeared on Monday after questions had been raised.

48:50Emily Jashinsky:He reappeared on Monday with the bruises on his hands again. We've seen sort of splotches of foundation rubbed over the bruises at different points, too. So sometimes you see the bruising visible and then sometimes you see the foundation like right there. If you're listening to this, it's exactly what you think it is. You've probably seen the pictures already on your own. But that's what Alex Jones is going to be reacting to here in this clip. And again, Ryan, Trump, 79 years old, probably not surprising to anybody that he might have some health complications. Let's rule Alex Jones B2. You can see him declining faster and faster.

49:29It's not super bad yet. I predict Trump is going to have some type of collapse within the next 12 months of the current trajectory. I'm not saying he's going to collapse. I'm saying if he doesn't take his foot off the gas pedal, I guarantee you, and I've got stamina way better than most people. If I had Trump's job at 51 for a month, I would have a nervous breakdown. I've seen a lot of signs of Trump declining. The fear that he's getting sick, that who knows what's going on? His ankles are giant. That usually means serious heart decline. I mean, liver failure too, but his eyes aren't yellow. So he's saying, I don't know if I'm doing a good job.

50:20I don't know if I'm gonna get into heaven. I hear I'm not doing a good job. This is the president of the United States calling into Fox News in the morning saying this.

50:31Emily Jashinsky:Okay, so what Alexander's just referring to. Let's skip ahead to B5. This is Trump talking about how he will, asking whether he will go to heaven in regard to ending the conflict in Ukraine. If I can save 7 ,000 people a week from being killed, I think that's a pretty, I want to try and get to heaven if possible. I'm hearing I'm not doing well. I am really at the bottom of the totem pole. But if I can get to heaven, this will be one of the reasons. And finally, here's what the White House has said. about the bruising and the ankles. We'll start with B3. Recent photos of the president have shown minor bruising on the back of his hand.

51:10This is consistent with minor soft tissue irritation from frequent handshaking and the use of aspirin, which is taken as part of a standard cardiovascular prevention regimen. This is a well-known and benign side effect of aspirin therapy. And the president remains in excellent health, which I think all of you witness on a daily basis here.

51:30Emily Jashinsky:And then we can go ahead and move right on to the next clip about the ankles. In recent weeks, President Trump noted mild swelling in his lower legs. In keeping with routine medical care and out of an abundance of caution, this concern was thoroughly evaluated by the White House Medical Unit. The president underwent a comprehensive examination, including diagnostic vascular studies. Bilateral lower extremity venous Doppler ultrasounds were performed and revealed chronic venous insufficiency, a benign and common condition, particularly in individuals over the age of 70. Importantly, there was no evidence of deep vein thrombosis or arterial disease.

52:14Emily Jashinsky:So a benign condition in people over the age of 72 things, Ryan. One, I think we've learned it's important to pay attention to this. In the last four years that the executive, I mean, I guess we didn't have to learn it. I don't know if the media actually learned it, but I think we've had a, let's just say a lesson in why it's important. A real world example, as they say when you're in elementary school, of why these things are important over the last four or five years with Joe Biden. Secondly, Alex Jones is known, especially on the right, for being something of a, what's the right way to put it a nostradamus like figure canary in the coal mine and well like what tucker carlson for example will say everything alex jones claims comes true basically right like that's the meme so if he says something it's people are like oh they're getting nervous it's like the opposite of jim kramer yeah it's the opposite of jim kramer when he makes predictions uh people have said now you really gotta listen alex jones because he predicted x y and z so on left we have a hard time even understanding that you guys take him seriously but he seems to have almost had a renaissance or did he never go away no i think he did have a run i think the post sandy hook trial um he's quite literally sobered up um but also just i mean i don't know he's it's this is for people who didn't follow he said the whole sandy hook thing was completely made up it was all the most insane it was horrible yeah yeah uh but anyway he he does get taken a bit more seriously now um and in part because people feel like they've looked back and realized that Alex Jones said things they felt were true uh not that all that is to say right uh people are going to take that seriously coming from Alex Jones and uh people like MAGA is going to take it seriously coming from Alex Jones so what do you make of the White House saying benign okay everything's fine I mean, I'm not a doctor.

54:05I do know it's not good when your ankles are swelling. That's suggestive of, yes, circulatory or heart problems. Because the blood's going down, it's not coming back up. I mean, there can be other things that cause swelling, other fluid issues. But in general, that's why they rushed him to get that looked at. now certainly like he is shaking hands with like alpha dudes and alpha women all day long yeah who this is their chance to shake the president's hand they're they're coming with their a-game and i'm sure every time he's like oh god oh jesus christ like you see my hand you still had to do that macron almost like ripped his fingers off you remember yeah but then didn't he almost rip macron's fingers yeah right and so now everybody knows that it's going to be like a handshake off so there's nobody but himself to blame yes really uh well you heard here first rangram not a doctor

55:01Emily Jashinsky:but we do have some comments uh from someone else also not a doctor is he a doctor uh i think he's let's just work with doctors b6 b6 the president's congestive heart failure is getting worse i'm a home health physical therapist with a doctorate in my field i see congestive heart failure patients on a daily basis. The reason I know that he has congestive heart failure is because of the swelling in his feet and ankles. The reason I know it's getting worse is because he's sitting behind the desk on camera now. He lashed out against MSNBC for giving him hash about his ankles. This is how we know that something is true, because it gets to Trump.

55:36Remember recently where he was talking about going to heaven for some fucking reason? He says, people said, I'm not doing very well. I don't think he's talking about the media. I think he's talking about the doctors who are treating him. The only reason his health has been maintained at all is because he has the privilege of getting IV diuretics, spironolactone, Lasix, Bumex, something like that. That's why his hands have been bruised and covered with makeup. Badly, I might add. We know that it's getting worse because he knows he cannot hide the degree of swelling. That's why he's sitting behind the desk.

56:05Oh, he also has chronic kidney disease, which is also contributing to the swelling in the feet and ankles. I can't tell you how many times I have seen a patient in their home because they were hospitalized for AKI, or acute kidney injury. And the kidney injury was caused by nephrotoxic medications, namely diuretics, spironolactone, Bumex, Lasix. The president is definitely getting sicker, and we know he's not going to change his diet because he's such a fucking idiot. I think he's going to be around for six to eight months tops. Thank you for your attention to this matter.

56:36Emily Jashinsky:Ryan was losing it during that clip. It's Blue Anion Horseshoe theory with Alex Jones, basically. My favorite part is, I'm a home health aide with a doctorate in my field. With a doctorate in my field. Wait, wait. In your field. So he has a PhD in something. Could mean a lot. Yeah. There's a great moment in Friends where they ask for... But this is a viral clip. Like, we're not just picking any random things. Oh, yeah, no, this one's very viral. This clip is going everywhere. Yes. There's a great moment in Friends where someone asks... Ross is trying to insist that he's a doctor because he's a PhD in, like, paleontology and Rachel's like yeah yeah yeah Ross if I'm having a heart attack what I need is you there with your fossil brush that's the equivalent of what we just watched.

57:21Although at least that guy works with old and dying people so like if he was a friend of mine I'd be like yeah let me hear your experience in life of like dealing with old and dying people.

57:32Emily Jashinsky:And then you'd come on here and say a source. It's like a medical source with a doctorate in his field says to me that he has six to eight months. Listen Listen, Trump was tweeting at like, I think he was tweeting at like one in the morning, just about, I'll have to go back. I want to say it was about Cracker Barrel. I think we got an early morning tweet about, true social posts about Cracker Barrel. Like the guy sleeps five hours. Then again, he'll golf 18 holes Saturday, golf 18 holes Sunday. Seems to eat whatever the hell he wants. So I don't know if he's in great health or horrible health.

58:04It could be one of the two. We know he will not die in his sleep because he doesn't sleep.

58:09Emily Jashinsky:The odds are low. uh yeah so jd vance i don't know if he's getting ready get lacing up i don't know trump's life force is attention so i find it very hard to believe that whatever diseases he has in his body can overcome the power of that life force he's gonna live forever well throughout at least until he's no longer president because you know once he's back and he's sitting around with like real estate guys again, then he could decline quickly. Like when somebody leaves the Senate, it's like, you know how when old folks, one of the spouses dies and the other one dies within six months. That's what happens to senators when they leave office.

58:57Within six months.

58:58Emily Jashinsky:They leave their real spouse, yeah. Within six months, they just win because they're not getting that energy, that life force anymore, which is the adulation. You lose your access to the Adrena Chrome and the kid's blood when you leave the Senate. I've heard people make actual medical arguments that around this life force creating sense that some people in particular are particularly able to suck it up. And Trump is definitely one of them. He's the first president in his first term who not only didn't age, he left office looking better than he came in. so finally maybe gravity is catching up with him but that gravity has a lot to work against because he absolutely loves the spotlight and thrives in it like a lizard on a rock Like a lizard on a rock.

59:55Emily Jashinsky:Let's move on to Aipak Shakur. We went from a lizard on a rock to Aipak Shakur. This is the new nickname that Hakeem Jeffries has gotten from Charlemagne. We should just take a look at this clip because describing it doesn't do it justice. Let's real see one. I love having the speaker, minority speaker, Hakeem Jeffries. Because, you know, I'm a political nerd. Like I love talking. Charlemagne hates him. You do? I don't hate him. I just don't think he stands for anything. I think that he's, I call him Apex Shakur. Well, we did talk about messaging. And I actually went to the Capitol and had a meeting with him.

1:00:28And we talked about messaging and how I was like, the frustration with the party is y 'all have to get more gangster. Like, stop going by the politics of the late 2000s, you know, in 2010. And you have to, like, rise to the occasion in the messaging. And he did. I saw him do more afterwards. Hakeem is a puppet. Hakeem's not doing anything if Shuk Shun went on telling him to do it. And it's simple as that. but I did I was very happy that he came on our little podcast though oh yeah because we can like have these conversations and I feel like you know a lot of people don't press these folks you know what I mean and we do and we need to do that we need to be pressing all of them for people not steeped in their Hakeem Jeffries lore he loves to he loves to rap like he at fundraisers at major events like he will he will spit bars as the kids say it's like watching someone do that at a bar mitzvah right like it's so bad um so apex kora i think that was gonna stick that hurts it's like when

1:01:25Emily Jashinsky:he's when some kid is at their like middle school talent show that's what it's like watching hakeem jeffries rap it's like he's better than that i've i've i'm critical of hakeem jeffries i you give it to him in the rapping i mean he's not gonna like get on a label or anything but like I think he's better than like a bar mitzvah guy it's a low bar but like I think he's like I'm like this is decent like you know it's not nothing original he's just sticking to the you know the old beats um and it's like 90s kind of beats but you know I'm a 90s kid so that's true that's all I need well this comes out the heels of the DNC vote and Ryan I'm very very curious to get your breakdown of everything that happened so C2 we can put up the screen on the screen.

1:02:13Emily Jashinsky:This is the DNC vote. There was an amendment at the DNC urging the support for recognition of Palestine as a state and then also ending all military aid to Israel. Ran into some trouble, you may be shocked to learn. Hit a few snags, Ryan. Tell us what happened. And speaking of AIPAC, Shakur, we'll start with this. DMFI, Democratic Majority for Israel, which is an offshoot of AIPAC, put out this statement because AIPAC is too toxic in the Democratic Party, so they made the MFI. They said, today the Democratic Party sent a clear and resounding message by defeating a reckless and divisive resolution.

1:02:47We stand with the people of Israel and will continue to do so. For more than 75 years, the U.S.-Israel relationship has been strong because it's grounded in shared values on mutual security interests. We cannot forget how we got here. Hamas started this war and continues to hold 50 hostages. Passing this resolution would have been a gift to Republicans, further divided our party and rewarded Hamas's brutality. because Hamas is very closely following the DNC bylaws and platform creation, no doubt. In this critical moment, Democrats stood firm, rejected this dangerous effort, and sent a message that they remain united in our commitment to Israel's security and our longstanding alliance.

1:03:28And so the meeting began with Ken Martin, the new head of the DNC, putting forward a resolution that was as milquetoast as it could be while still being offensive to some pro-Israel members of the party, all it said was that basically the land of Israel is a place where two peoples have historical roots, which is undeniably true. Yet still, there is a whole strain of pro-Israel argumentation that says that Palestinians are made up and don't actually exist and didn't even exist before the 1970s or something, even though they're mentioned by Homer all the way back, first recorded history. It's obviously true.

1:04:26That passed. and some other fairly uncontroversial for the DNC things in that resolution. And then it gets to the one that says that there's going to be an arms embargo on Israel and the Democrats are going to recognize a Palestinian state. There was an attempt to amend it to add offensive weapons and put in some other palatable things to Israel. That was defeated. I think by a combination of the the resolutions supporters didn't want to water it down and the resolution's opponents didn't want to it to be watered down out of fear that it might pass if it was watered down so then so that amendment was rejected so it went straight with an arms embargo and Democrats voted it down and and DMFI celebrated so and then when they left the room um all the reporters followed them and the dnc staff was and members were just livid like why won't you stick around and follow the rest of our proceedings why are you why are you so concerned about just this one issue right which i get it but they're carrying out a genocide

1:05:47Emily Jashinsky:and so it's interesting that they couldn't even get it amended right that it because that's a Alyssa Slotkin sat literally right here and said she would consider an offensive weapons ban. Yeah, and then went on Colbert and missed the vote, but said she would have voted for it. Right. Yeah. Which, anyway, the offensive weapon thing is insane. Like, if you think somebody is committing a genocide, why give them any weapons whatsoever? And if it's only about civilians, who needs the defensive weapons more than the Palestinians? If you really want to protect civilians, wouldn't you send the Iron Dome to the Palestinians?

1:06:28When was the last time anything was fired at Israel?

1:06:31Emily Jashinsky:It reminds me, we were sitting at the DNC last year. It just was the most obvious thing in the world that the party should allow, just from the bare political standpoint of this, should allow somebody from the Free Palestine movement to go up and speak. I mean, they have so many speakers throughout the week. They're just doing random people, throwing random people at there, and they can't give any, they won't give an inch. Yeah, they wanted a two-minute vetted speech by a Palestinian-American who serves as a Georgia lawmaker, and they wouldn't allow it. In St. Louis, Cori Bush, as we know, was ousted by Wesley Bell last cycle.

1:07:16Bush is rumored to be looking at a rematch. And Wesley Bell, as you saw last week, had a town hall where a bunch of constituents complained to him about his support for Israel's genocide. He told them he would talk to them after he dealt with the media. He went and did some interviews with the media as he was back talking to the media. His security then beat up a bunch of constituents. Now we have a new event. It's a public event. If you look, watch, see how many people you can count in the audience. The event I'm about to show you. where he's asked about the enormous amounts of money that he has taken.

1:07:56And his defense is quite remarkable. Let's roll Wesley Bell here. People want to support this, support what we're doing. Please, hey, we'll take it because we got to get our message out. And the bottom line is, is that in our politics, you know that they have, they're expecting close to a couple billion dollars in these elections coming out. And so that money is flowing everywhere. And until we address that issue and get campaign finance reforms, if you want representation that's going to represent your district, those people can't just go in there with empty pockets and just hopes and dreams.

1:08:38We got to understand there's a game being played. Politics is a game that's being played. And we can sit back and be righteous and say, no, we're not going to do it that way. And we can keep losing. And you know what? That's what we've been doing. Listen, we can't just sit back and just be like, oh, well, we just go just keep doing what we're doing. And now we're not going to get involved. No, we can't do that. And so I hear what you're saying. And that's why I stay accessible. I stay. I'm going to come out in the community. I'm not going to shy away from tough, tough stuff. So Wesley Bell got more than$12 million from AIPAC to defeat Cori Bush.

1:09:14His diagnosis is that Democrats are not doing better because they are too discerning and puritanical about who they will take money from. And if they would just take more money from more people, Democrats wouldn't be in the bind that they're in. Now, if he had not taken a penny and not even run for Congress, St. Louis would still be represented by Cori Bush. and her quote-unquote empty pockets. So I don't quite understand what he accomplished in terms of representation for St. Louis by taking the money. But setting that aside, so are Democrats too discerning about who they take money from? Is that your assessment?

1:09:53Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, clearly. I mean, all that cash from Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein, that was, I would just say, they were just being careful. That was all you can say. Yeah, so thank you to Wesley Bell for being open about your willingness to take money from absolutely anybody. Oh, let's not forget Sam Bankman-Fried. Sam Bankman-Fried. That was a fun one. You know, it's nice when people are upfront about it, at least. Yeah. We'll take that. So if Cori Bush does run again, that's going to cost APAC another$10,$15 million in St. Louis. Yeah. And maybe Bell wins, maybe he doesn't. He only won by four percentage points.

1:10:40Emily Jashinsky:Or something like that. Or less than that. I think it was like 4 ,000 votes or something like that. Which is actually, I think, remarkable given how radical compared to the average Democrat Cory Bush was. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, she was one of the first. And she was a lead sponsor of the ceasefire resolution. Like she, yeah, she did not back down remotely. um and so this was you know we're talking you know two years later she may be in a better position um yeah oh my gosh especially because i think the climate has changed significantly on the israel question and he's going to have to go around um continuing to explain how why he's taking all of his money and he's going to have to do better than that but you can't do better than that like that is it like that's like that's that's it it's just a behind the scenes secret democrats are and republicans are not at all discerning in whose money they take no that's they will take any more like cory bush like the justice democrats the world now she doesn't have to be discerning because apac is not yeah they're not showing up and offering her no money um although Oh, as I reported in my book, Squad, you know, after AOC won, her campaign got a call and said, like, AIPAC is ready to raise$200 ,000 for you off the bat.

1:12:07$100 ,000 or$200 ,000. Check the details in the book. And there's a lot more where that came from. And we'd love to educate you on the historic relationship between Israel and the United States. And we believe. So it was even on offer for her. She said, no, we're not doing that. Right. And the campaign was even a little surprised at the brazenness of it. You're kind of, I think, trained to think it's a little more sophisticated than that?

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1:15:48Emily Jashinsky:Netanyahu decided to drop by Patrick Bette-David's show, of course. So tell us about who's Patrick Bette-David. Don't ask me. What's his place in this ecosystem? Do we know? I mean, maybe you could lump him in with the podcast bro category if people are. He's definitely bro. coded um he has like very lively conversations on his channel what's netanyahu doing like nelk boys and now this and then he i mean it's they brought these uh weird influencers over to like take video oh yeah the prager you influencer yeah i mean it's exactly what netanyahu like just from a cynical perspective um i think the nelk boys decision as unserious as we all know it is and as cynical as we all know it is, that is exactly what you would want to do if you are trying to prevent losing young right-wing men to the anti-Israel movement.

1:16:45Emily Jashinsky:That's like actually exactly what you would want to do. And you would also want to go on Patrick but David's show if that's what you're trying to do. So I think strategically, it's like pretty clever. How do we think it went for him? Let's take a look. Israel owns America. You know, Israel is who makes America do things they want them to do, whether it's through AIPAC, you know, whether it's through, you know, funding, money. You'll typically hear this. This has been overly said the last couple of years in a major way. And there's a big there's a there's a community of Americans that at this point believe that whatever Israel wants, they make a phone call to America.

1:17:22America better do or else. Do you agree with that? Absolutely not. I think it's full of hokum. First of all, do you know President Trump? I do. Sort of. I've known him for many years. Sure. You don't make him do anything. He does what he thinks is in America's interest. I don't know. It's a good question. But you said something about Biden that I should just point out the facts. In fact, President Biden supported us in the beginning of the war after this horrific massacre. And he came here and I very much appreciate it. But as the war progressed and the vilifications of Israel, the distortions on the media began to pile on, you know, he began to take a different course.

1:18:02And when we were just two-thirds of the way, three-fourths of the way in Gaza, I said, we have to go into that last position that they had where they had organized battalions. It's in a city called Rafah in the southern part of the Gaza Strip. And he said, don't go there. And he said if you do go there, I'll Smack an embargo on you. You know, you're fighting a seven-front war And all of a sudden you're slapped with an embargo.

1:18:33Emily Jashinsky:What do you think? So Biden did say publicly repeatedly and Miller and others Matt Miller and others State Department spokesperson said Rafa is a red line that for many reasons, the U.S. policy was that Rafa is a red line. Do not go into Rafa. Now, for the first time, we have Netanyahu's claim of what Biden was willing to say to back up this red line. There will be an embargo. I assume he means arms embargo, not the mass starvation of Israel. that's barbaric nobody should do that clearly he did not do that Netanyahu called his bluff whether we know he made a bluff of some sort because he publicly said it's a red line

1:19:34so strategically it seems like what Netanyahu is doing there is trying to say I'm with Trump Biden is with Hamas and so if you Patrick but David viewer are with Trump then you're with me

1:19:52Emily Jashinsky:yes he's tying himself to Trump and further creating adversaries out of Democrats like he he's very clever we just talked about APEC core and you know the democratic establishment support of Israel remains like rock solid But Netanyahu's adversarial relationship to the Democratic Party remains very strong. It's this one-way support. Yep. That's a really interesting point because I was going to say, I mean, Netanyahu can be credited with solidifying the Republican Party's magnetic-like relationship with Israel. It was not always like that. If you go back to the Reagan administration, there's a lot of support for Israel, but there's not this deference, this reflexive deference to Israel, which is actually really just the reflexive deference to Likud.

1:20:50Emily Jashinsky:And that's Netanyahu. Netanyahu has led the way on that point. And it's been whatever you say about Netanyahu, and you can say a lot of things about Netanyahu, that has been politically, cynically a calculation that paid off for him. And I think that's what you're seeing in the Patrick Beck David interviews. He's continuing to try to make that point that he is the that Israel is the renegade actor, that that is the maverick actor. That is the if you're if you're an American who wants to see this sort of global elite busted up, you're supporting Israel in this situation against the rest of the world.

1:21:29Emily Jashinsky:And the evil forces of the rest of the world, the Islamists that want to take down America for American freedom and all of that. He's he's trying the same line out. And it's probably the best he's got. I mean, unfortunately for him, it's probably the best he's got at this point. And while this is going on, the news out of Gaza is that Israel's incursion into Gaza City is continuing. And the reporting that we're getting from the ground there is that it's horrific beyond even the description of what we've seen before. Previously, when cities have been taken by the IDF and destroyed, first they would take the city.

1:22:12They'd be completely depopulated, and then they would send in these combat engineering units that would then detonate block by house by house, block by block until cities at complete rubble, which has now been done to Rafa. That's not what they're doing this time. This time they are sending in bomb-laden robots into populated city blocks and setting the explosives off to the point where you can see the explosions from like miles away. You had this like IDF-linked Mossad, it's called Mossad at OSINT account, saying that Hamas was doing this. It's like Hamas doesn't have robots, first of all. Hamas doesn't have explosives with charges like that.

1:22:59And also, why would Hamas be blowing up like city blocks filled with people? And so they're sending in these robots, basically, you know, suicide bombers, except they're robots rather than people. And then and then and then moving in and clearing and then and proceeding a pace. You've got close to a million people affected by this in and around the Gaza City area who are now being pushed further west. They're very nervous about going south. They're telling us because they know or they believe that if they go south, like that's it. Gaza City is over. It'll be completely flat and completely destroyed.

1:23:45So there's very little Hamas resistance in these areas because what are you going to do? like just these robotic bomb-laden monsters are rolling in and they're just blowing up. Like there's nothing you can really do as a resistance force against something like that. Now, this is happening in the context of the assassinations of all of the journalists who, not all of them, there's, you know, many are still working, but many of the most prominent journalists in Gaza City were killed over the last several weeks. conunus we had you know five more journalists killed the other day um including a sixth in his tent later an investigative journalist um in a separate attack so fallout from that attack continues and that's so let's move to that next um because we're learning two just absolutely unbelievable details about this and and i think it's people need to retain their ability to be shocked by this because if you if you're not then you're you're losing the moral core your moral core and and people want you to become numb to this stuff and when things that shock the conscience happen we should still acknowledge that that they're shocking so it goes back to this we could place c6 here this is a strike that probably everybody has seen by now that that that's the

1:25:07Emily Jashinsky:second hit on the second of the double tap master hospital and so they struck the hospital at 10 a.m And then at 1017, as you can see in the bottom corner there, it says Quds 1017. Quds, Al-Quds is the Arabic name for Jerusalem. So 17 minutes after the first strike, there are first responders, medics, journalists, a medical student, a civil defense worker, rushed to the scene trying to save people who've been killed, which included the Reuters cameraman. because they attacked this camera, which we'll talk about in a moment. 17 minutes later, they bomb it again to kill all of those people. So the IDF has now come out with its own explanation for what happened.

1:25:54We'll get into that in a second. What we're learning, though, is that the day before this happened, the international doctors working at Nasser Hospital were told that the next morning they would have to go to the who headquarters which is 30 minutes away for an in-person gender violence um training it's extremely unusual when we'll talk and we'll talk about this a second but let's so put up c7 here i was just listening to your reporter saying that netanyahu says this is a tragic mishap. This is absolutely untrue. This is strategic and intentional. The foreign aid workers, the foreign doctors that are actually in the hospital were asked to leave before this airstrike.

1:26:43And so that is not a mishap. That is absolutely deliberate. This is not the first time Israel has struck a hospital. Are you hearing from your contacts on the ground that foreign doctors working at NASA hospital were given the heads up to evacuate NASA hospital before a strike came? Absolutely. They were told some arbitrary reason that they had to leave and they weren't allowed to come back until the next day. So this is not an accident. Now to travel from Nasser Hospital and Kanyu to the WHO, that travel would have to be coordinated with Kogat, which is the Israeli agency that makes sure that they know who's moving where.

1:27:25And if they see a convoy moving, and it is an unapproved convoy, they will strike it with a drone. And so the hospitals always coordinate their movement. WHO coordinates this movement with Israel. At DropSight, we confirmed directly with the person on the ground there that what Dr. Mimi Saeed there said did, in fact, occur. Another interview was done by, I believe this is a nurse, with Times of London. We can roll C8. There are other NGOs that do enter the hospital that were also attending the mandatory meeting, but they don't sleep in the corridors. Okay, so how many of there were you approximately at this mandatory training?

1:28:13And you've already said it's pretty unusual for you to have this sort of mandatory training. Yeah, it was about 15 of us that were there. and the training was in what Amanda? The training was at the WHO house and it was training for gender-based violence. Was it strange to you or is this normal to receive this type of training? Yeah in my prior times of volunteering internationally we usually get all the information prior to our start. The fact that they're now introducing this gender-based violence lecture halfway through my rotation. What's also interesting is they mandated that one of our other volunteers who's planning to exit tomorrow to also attend.

1:29:02So it was mandated for volunteers who really weren't going to have any physical interaction with patients. Also, the fact that we inquired about other ways to attend the lecture remotely, and it was completely turned down. So far, us as a group, our NGO have discussed it amongst ourselves, and we're all in consensus that this was a fishing expedition. Like this didn't seem right. This didn't sit right with any of us in our gut. We knew something was not right. And so we inquired with our lead coordinator to investigate this with the WHO to give us more answers as to who ordered them to have us leave.

1:29:50So at a bare minimum, we know that the Israeli military knew that all of the international doctors and nurses were out of Nasser Hospital when they attacked the hospital. That's at a minimum. The questions that remain to be answered are, who insisted to the WHO that these nurses and doctors go in person at this time? Why did they do this beforehand? Why did they have to do this in person? Like who, who made that demand? One of the internet, as she said, I don't know if she said it in this clip or not. One of the international doctors was leaving the next morning or later that day or something.

1:30:33Right. So it's like and try to get out of it. Like, I don't need this gender based training. Like I'm leaving. They're like, nope, you also must attend every single person. Because if you're going to do a double tap strike. in a hospital, you're going to kill a lot of medical staff. Because if you hit the fourth floor right near the intensive care unit, and so one of the doctors who was killed is a resident, he was a third-year medical student, he rushed to the scene. American, European, Malaysian, these other doctors who were at Nasser Hospital would have rushed to the scene. it was a scene of terrible carnage trying to treat people as quickly as possible and then when you double tap it you would have killed those americans and europeans and malaysians or whoever else is there so at a minimum we know that that was not a risk that they faced with this double tap strike

1:31:35Emily Jashinsky:so then also we have now c10 uh we can put on the screen this was the headline in the new york Times just yesterday saying Israel says it attacked Gaza hospital to destroy camera placed by Hamas. And Ryan, you posted this by saying compare this honest and impressive reporting from New York Times' Eric Toler and others with the headline that the New York Times put on his article, Absolute Night and Day. The journalists find the IDF flat out lied. The editors then write a headline that pretends the IDF claim is serious and includes their slanderous claim that six of those killed were militants. Right.

1:32:09Yeah. And for and for context and credit there, we put up C11 as well. The first person, the first reporter to observe this and Eric Toler in his thread credited Yunus Tarawi, who drops like contributor, who's done incredible work. He's the guy who is constantly doing investigations into the war crimes committed by Israeli forces using their own TikTok and Instagram and Facebook confessions that they post. What he observed is that on Channel 12, a right-wing OSINT enthusiast, as Eunice calls him here, you know, these guys who go on Twitter and look at satellite images and say, oh, look what I found here.

1:32:52Emily Jashinsky:Toler is a Bellingcat guy. Yeah, Toler is a former Bellingcat guy who now does this exact thing, OSINT for the New York times. You geolocate, you look at satellite image on this day, compare it to this day, and you can try to figure out what happened. It's very valuable. It's an incredible skill if you're good at it. Yeah, and incredibly dangerous if you're not. We reported earlier, remember that the U.S. used some OSINT advice from amateurs in Yemen and killed dozens of innocent people. So this guy, he claimed on Channel 12 to have identified a Hamas camera. And, you know, there are cranks all over Twitter and all over YouTube and everywhere else.

1:33:38It shouldn't be a crime to be a crank. But according to this crank, he was involved with the strike. he was online with them he said he he's he is now saying publicly to israeli media that he was helping to guide the missile and israel is still saying it was the second shot was a tank shell there are photos of a missile approaching the hospital precision guided missile and that he was guiding it. He points to this white towel covering the camera, which is his evidence that it's a hidden camera. Use your brain for a second. A black camera sitting out in the sun is going to overheat. You put a white towel over it.

1:34:30If you're Hamas, is that how you hide a camera? By putting a white towel over it? The fourth floor of a hospital where all the media work? Now, what we also know is whose camera this was. This was a Reuters camera. So we can put up C12. So Reuters cameraman was killed immediately. And their camera was struck. And so the IDF then comes out and does not give any explanation for the second half of the double tap. But they say that their now official story is that they identified a, quote, Hamas camera and moved to eliminate it. If we can put up the Reuters headline. So the Reuters cameraman was killed in this attack on a Reuters camera.

1:35:25In the article itself, there's a picture of the Reuters camera that was destroyed with a Live View backpack. a live view backpack is only used for broadcasting you've probably used them maybe back way in the day like yeah you see them at any precedent yeah right it's for broadcasting it is not for communication it's not it's not for secret communication with militants you need a light you need like a broadcast license you need to be working with a broadcaster like or to with like a

1:35:55Emily Jashinsky:youtube channel or something yeah right it's not just like a streaming kit right and it but it's not for communication one-to-one. No, it's a broadcast, like literally the broadcast of the broadcast word. Yeah. Yeah. And so they have a picture in the Reuters article of the Live View backpack that was hit by the shell. Reuters headline is, initial inquiry says Hamas camera was target of Israeli strike that killed journalists. And it says by Reuters. Interesting, there's no byline, which usually in a newsroom when there's no byline, whoever was forced to write the story refused to put their name on it.

1:36:35So they killed a Reuters cameraman and then said it was Hamas. They didn't even say he was Hamas. They said the camera was Hamas. And Reuters is willing to call itself Hamas because Israel says so, knowing full well that it was their camera and their cameraman that they attacked. Again, the headline, Initial Inquiry Says Hamas Camera Was Target of Israeli Strike That Killed Journalists. And nowhere in the article do they even say that that's not true. What they do say is that their camera operator was killed and that their camera was hit. But they don't even connect the dots that that's the camera they're referring to.

1:37:20Emily Jashinsky:Right. I don't know what more capitulation you could have than to literally call yourself Hamas as Reuters. It's like a, and to do that in the wake of their colleague being killed, it's truly startling. A Reuters photographer resigned in protest over this. I saw yesterday or the day before. so like I said I think we need to maintain our capacity to be shocked by this stuff because if this isn't shocking to us then it then and it just then it just becomes normalized and they won't even bother offering explanations meanwhile as he was before he was going on the the Patrick-David podcast, Netanyahu was posting C9, that free press video discussing how they wrote the article.

1:38:19Emily Jashinsky:This is getting really mad at that Crystal and Sager talked about yesterday because they went after you, Crystal and Sager, by name, and Glenn. Did you feel left out? Of course I felt left out. I mean, you know, I like to be part of group activities, but they went after you guys for questioning the article. And then Netanyahu actually posted in solidarity with the free press, basically, the video where they talked about the process of developing the article. Yeah, he posted facts matter. And in one of the clips here, and this is the one we just had up there, Olivia Reingold is citing the case of Mosav Al-Debs.

1:38:57And this is what the Free Press itself put in their video. They write, or they quote, the 14-year-old boy was featured in the same CNN story as another child, quote, suffering from malnourishment, unquote, scare quotes. The original caption didn't mention that last May he sustained a traumatic head injury amid what SHMS news agency, a Gaza-based outlet, called, quote, an Israeli shell explosion. so according to the free press cnn is being unfair to israel because they said that a 14 year old boy is suffering from malnourishment without in the caption mentioning that he'd also had part of his skull blown out by an israeli shell and benjamin netanyahu is so proud of this reporting from Olivia Rheingold and the Free Press that he shared it with facts matter.

1:40:00Emily Jashinsky:So in that editorial, one of the things the Free Press cited in defense of that article was that Washington Post, other outlets, added corrections, which really weren't corrections so much as they were updates to the stories. Update, the 14-year-old suffering from malnourishment also has a traumatic brain injury. And that's exactly - Okay, that's useful information. That is fine. Right, and that's where they're like, Yeah, that's where it's like, yep, this is absolutely correct that the context is important. And in some cases, the context is even more devastating to the narrative that, you know, this is all OK, that this isn't, you know, some deeply serious concern.

1:40:44Emily Jashinsky:Because like when you when you zoom into the to the context, you realize, oh, this kid had his head blown off. Or you realize this is a condition because someone was malnourished in the womb. This is a condition because someone like the nobody objects to the context. And I actually think that's the Washington Post and whoever else updating their story proves that nobody objects to the full context. Right. And nobody would object to this reporting from the free press if they didn't follow it immediately with Israel's opponents are saying that these are the average representatives of people in Gaza and they're using them to tell you that there's a famine when in fact there is not a famine.

1:41:28There is certainly there's suffering in Gaza, but there's no famine. So they are very clear about the purpose of their context that they're adding. they think that what they're doing is complicating the question and and letting people know that actually it's not as bad as people want you to believe that's what they're saying right the their the context they're adding does not actually make their case and so that that's that if if they're actually genuinely curious about why people are objecting uh to their uh reporting that's why it's because their conclusion which clearly they started with before they did the reporting, their conclusion is incorrect.

1:42:08Also, they keep citing cerebral palsy and all these other maladies that are not fatal in children. So the fact that they're dying with these pre-existing conditions is not the point that you think it is. The point is to treat these conditions, not to malnourish them such that they die with them, and then point to those conditions as some type of excuse for Israel to continue with its genocide.

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