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26:03Saagar Enjeti:Yeah, we got David Pakman here. Let's take a listen to him for a sec. It's for years I've been saying the left needs to organize independent media in the way that But all these words are insane. The left needs to fund independent community the way that the right does. The right has won even arguably presidential elections because they're organized with regard to online and independent media. They're killing us. We've been so behind. And this kind of support for creators is exactly what I've been advocating for. But what is the like and keep going back to this question. what is the support because like i don't think that's eight thousand dollars a month i think yeah no i get no i get the money i get that part but i'm talking about like yeah they had trainings right but the trainings i'm like i don't buy that some random democrat company knows how to do a youtube thumbnail or like knows how to like do well they would hire other they'd hire other content creators well to me it seems like more like about my guess is that the majority of the trainings that happen here are messaging are like, here's what, here's what we talk about.

27:16Saagar Enjeti:Here's how we'd like to talk about it. We want to push democracy. We want to support the democratic party. We don't want to be divisive. We don't want to create, um, circle like firing squads, you know, I mean, I don't know. I like as Chomsky always says, like you don't need the, the genius of the, like there's this famous interview that Glenn likes to play. where he's... We played it for Don Lemon. Yeah, we played it for Don Lemon. Yeah. Where this hack is like telling Chomsky, you think that I have this job because I've agreed to say certain things and because I've been trained to say certain things.

27:56And Chomsky says, no, of course not. But you have this job because they know you're going to say these things. And the things are obvious. To me, you don't need to be trained in what Democratic Party talking points are. everybody knows him. Let's see if Olivia Juliana has a response yet. I was going to say, I'm checking her Twitter feed, but go ahead.

28:17Saagar Enjeti:Emily, you go first. I haven't literally pulled up, but I mean, I always have a bookmarked, of course, Olivia Juliana's Twitter feed, but it's in the Wired story. The line is, creators in the program are not allowed to use any funds or resources that they receive as part of the program to make content that supports or opposes any political candidate or campaign without express authorization from chorus in advance and in writing per the contract. So one of the functions here might be like a little catch and kill action. You're not going to get involved in a primary. You're not going to get involved with MomDani.

28:56In fact, you actually might not be able to talk about MomDani if you're on the streaming equipment that you bought with part of your$8 ,000 a month or you're using your StreamYard subscription that you bought with part of your$8 ,000 a month. Because even though everybody's talking about Zoramamdani, you could run afoul of that. And Wired has a pretty hefty update correction on the article, as his customary point Ryan was making. But that is not among them. Nothing has been corrected to that point yet. And so I think that's a sort of crucial bit of information.

29:34Saagar Enjeti:yeah exactly it's not like they're not teaching you how to make youtube thumbnails that's my whole point they're teaching they are i mean okay maybe but like how much of that i don't know it seems like a they probably don't know how to do most of that i work in a lot of media companies where corporations want to start a successful youtube channel they have no idea the space or the platform or the mechanics of in the way that someone who's just grinding on their own doing it every day, analyzing the space. Same with TikTok as well. So yeah, it leads me to believe that the majority of this is closer to what Emily just described.

30:08But the way that corruption generally works is it's much more subtle than that. That point is key. Like, okay, like they're making it very clear. Like if it wasn't clear already, we are the Democratic Party. You're going to get money from us and you're going to do things that make the Democratic Party happy. Now there's a couple creators in this list that they pointed to since who have been critical of Gaza. But that just means that they accept some people that go through the training and then continue to be critical of the Democratic Party's platform towards Gaza. Corruption doesn't mean that it influences every single person.

30:46Some people take AIPAC money and vote against AIPAC. Like, it happens. But the idea is that you tilt the scales enough. Some are going to get away. but so and it's not just the 8 000 a month and it's not just the amount that you spend uh and what you can spend making videos it's future so much of corruption in america is about the promise of future wealth too where they where they string you along and like that's how members of congress um are thoroughly corrupted that they know that if they do the right thing while they're in office, once they leave office, they're going to be very, very rich people.

31:28There's a great documentary on HBO called The Swamp that it's actually like AOC is in it. At the time, the woman from California. Oh, I forget her name. Katie Hill? Katie Hill. Yep. Matt Gaetz and Thomas Massey and Thomas Massey at one point walks out of the RNC, stands in the middle of First Street, and he's literally straddling Capitol Hill Club and RNC and RCC. And he's like, this is how, this is the actual architecture, the physical construction of Washington, that when you walk out of the party headquarters, you are walking right past the fundraising bar, essentially. And that is, I feel like the proximity is so powerful.

32:17Saagar Enjeti:Yeah. I mean, my last thought is when I see a lot of the creators on this list, I've always thought, man, I hope they're getting paid for this. Totally. Right. Because it's so pathetic. It's like you're doing the stanky leg at the DNC. I hope you're getting paid for that. Do you think Chorus is telling Brian Tyler Cohen to unbutton his shirt more and more? Is that the training they're giving? Well, Brian, he helped create Chorus. That's the weird part about this. He is a hardcore partisan Democrat, right? Yeah. like nobody needs to tell him to be a hardcore partisan Democrat that's what he is and so he's trying to build a network of hardcore partisan Democrats and get Democrats to fund it and it's happening out mostly in the open it's cool that she got some of these contracts and stuff but he calls it the left he calls it left and independent and in his mind I think he believes that but to us we're like I'm sorry, what?

33:19Saagar Enjeti:Yeah, you're not independent media. I wanted to have Emily this specific because he mentions like how the right succeeded so well in this. And I think there is like, you know, we've like seen Tim Pool or other people have gotten like, you know, those big fundings and stuff. Daily Wire, like with enormous funding. Daily Wire for sure. But like my senses of like the whole podcast thing with Trump was like, you know, a lot of this was like people who like made a platform on their own and were kind of culturally right. Like Rogan, Theo Vaughn, Andrew Schultz, like they weren't like bred in like a right wing chorus, like think tank to get to their size, right?

34:01Saagar Enjeti:Yes. So I think this does drive me a little bit insane because, of course, there are situations like the Tenet Media scandal. I think that was like five high profile creators like Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Lauren Chen, something like that. And they were just over the last couple of years after they were already big, cashing out for just dumb sums of money that they didn't need to be famous. It was just like padding their bottom line. It was like ridiculous. But they were already prominent and famous. And the reason that the right has a podcast ecosystem that's booming, if you look at the podcast charts, this gets misunderstood a lot.

34:41You have The Daily, NPR, Atlantic. All of those guys are up there right alongside Megyn Kelly, Ben Shapiro, Michael Knowles, whomever else. It's because the right was forced. The right during the wave of cancel culture was forced out of those outlets and so was forced to create independent outlets. And sometimes those, quote, independent outlets are made by money from rich Republicans, of course, in the same way that George Soros at one point, didn't he have a controlling stake in the New York Times company, Ryan? Like it was it's not an insane comparison, even though it's on a much smaller scale.

35:25But, yeah, partisan Republicans support, you know, like a Paul Singer funds the Washington free break, Washington free beacon and partisans. I'm trying to think of a daily wire funder. Brian Tyler Cohen, number 10. Yeah. Yeah. But if you go to like a news podcast. Beating Tucker Carlson. Mm hmm. Yeah. Look at that. So I just think that this is a classic example of partisan centrist Democrats missing. Like, look, I've had it. That's an example of what they should be doing. Not or that's an example of. Yeah, there we are. That's an example. Take that, Travis Kelsey. Oh,

36:09Saagar Enjeti:does that mean our marriage news did better than his? Wow. But like Tim Pool and I've had it. Those are examples of podcasts that actually are going to be more powerful. I'm not saying that it's strategically dumb for Dems to fund this vast network, but what they actually are looking for is people like Kyle, for example, who's very successful. They just don't consider Kyle a W for Democrats, and they shouldn't in the same way that they don't necessarily consider. I've had it a W for Democrats. And the right has seemed cool. Which is hilarious because both those podcasts, like all their advice is how the Democrats can win, how they can like get back up on their feet.

36:50I just – and like Republicans just see Poole and Benny as ours – yes, as ours, but also as Ws because they understand they're moving the needle. But these were people who were forced out of the, quote, mainstream for various reasons, some good, some bad. And that's what happened. It wasn't this like puppet master. There are puppet masters, but that wasn't the fuel for what happened on the right.

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40:55Saagar Enjeti:All right, we are now joined by Dr. Mohamed Khalil. He's a spine surgeon from Dallas, and he has just gotten back from his, correct me if I'm wrong, third trip to Gaza. Welcome to the show, doctor. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Yeah, and so I guess, you know, you said a list of things that we could ask you about, but I guess we just first wanted to ask you, what was it like getting in and out of Gaza this most recent time? it's it's actually become increasingly difficult on the very first trip that I went to to Gaza and April of 24 we went through the rough-up order so we were able to bring in a lot of equipment when I went back in November as well as this time you're pretty restricted on what you can bring in the instructions are to just bring one suitcase one carry-on and it's limited to personal supplies logistically it can be quite a challenge getting there just because you can get a seat from the WHO as far as getting on the UN convoy but you don't know until the night before if you're cleared by Kogat which is the arm of the Israeli military that controls movement within Gaza and so that clearance doesn't come in until about 10 or 11 p.m.

42:07the night before you're supposed to move at 6 in the morning so we all go to Amman and we find out that night if we're getting in last time I went in November, one of my buddies was supposed to go with me and he got turned around and had to come back to Dallas. When you, when you first got there, you sent me a text that has, um, kind of sat with me since then. Uh, can you tell, tell, tell people what the doctor told you? If, see if you remember this, what, what the doctor who, uh, is the Palestinian doctor told you about whether or not you're going to have an eventful shift or not? Like how, how did doctors know whether or not their shift is going to be.

42:45Oh, yeah, it's this time around. It's almost a direct correlation with the GHF aid distribution, as well as when a truck would come through this Keem border. So they would say, I mean, his words were, if you're lucky, there will be no aid distribution tonight. If you're unlucky, the ER is going to overflow. And I mean, he was 100 % right. I mean, I think the, you know, when I had gone before in November, we were at the same hospital at Ali up north. And it was mostly blast injuries from drone strikes and airstrikes. This time it was a good mix of blast injuries as well as these gunshot wounds from these eight distribution sites.

43:22I think everyone knows that, I mean, they describe him as death traps and they tell people not to go. But there's such a dire need with the malnutrition and starvation that people are just, they're just taking their chances and going and seeing if they can retrieve something. Yeah, so I just want to sit with that for one second. So like here in the United States, if it's Friday or Saturday or like New Year's Eve or something, you tell me, like the ERs know to brace themselves. Like there are going to be more people in here, or maybe it's like New Orleans for the Super Bowl or something. Like we're going to get, we're going to have, it's going to be, it's probably going to be a busier night than a typical night.

44:01In Gaza now, if there is an aid distribution site open for a few hours, the ERs brace themselves every single time. And did that bear out? Like in your case, if the aid distribution site was open, was his forecast correct? Like, did you then get overwhelmed? Oh, yeah. Exactly. That happened every time. And the thing is that They're already overwhelmed because, you know, one example is Shifa Hospital that was destroyed when I was there on the prior visit in November. And since then, they've been able to get the ER back up and running to some degree. And they have, you know, 200 semi-functioning beds.

44:47And when I say beds, I mean, these are stretchers with no mat on them. Like we actually, after operating on a patient, would put them back on a hard, you know, plastic or metal stretcher with no mattress. and I mean, but in those beds, they had over 600 patients. So they're running at 250, 300 % capacity. So when these ERs would fill up, I mean, these are patients laid on the floor, getting chest tubes put in, getting procedures done. And so, I mean, every time there was an eight distribution, you'd have just so many patients on the floor, we would literally have to be walking over patients, walking through the ER.

45:22Emily, you're muted. Go ahead. Having done multiple trips at this point, what difference did you notice when it comes to famine and hunger? Can you share your experience in treating patients and whether or not you saw an increase in people suffering from malnutrition and starvation? Yeah, certainly. You know, it takes a lot of calories to heal injuries and to heal wounds. And so this time around, the amount of people that were just visibly malnourished with very skinny arms and legs, like visible ribs, was very apparent. And you knew that a number of these injuries were going to end up infected, and they would end up infected very quickly.

46:09Like patients that we operated on at the beginning of the trip were coming back for washouts within a week or so. And it's just usually you don't see infections develop that quickly because the body tries to fight off infection. So, I mean, there's there's a remarkable level of malnutrition, even among the people that we're working with. I mean, this time around, like I met a lot of the same doctors and hospital staff that I worked with before, and they've just lost even more weight. So, you know, when they come in for a hug, you can you can feel their their spinous processes at the back. You can feel their ribs and a lot of people will, you know, show you what they look like before they lost all the weight.

46:45And I mean, the weight loss is dramatic even among the staff. You know, I mean, it was like one of the last cases that we actually did. It's outside of orthopedics. It was actually our anesthesia, one of the anesthesia techs, sweetest lady, always smiling. The day before we left Ali Hospital, I went down to the OR and she was very somber. And I walked into the room and the neurosurgeon was operating on her husband who had been shot at any distribution site. Like her husband was also in anesthesia tech at Kamala Dwan hospital, did not leave when a patient was in the OR, was kidnapped for seven months in Israeli prison.

47:22She didn't know where he was. And then he showed up one day. So she was happy to have him back. But then he he went to an aid distribution and got shot in the head. So, I mean, even the staff that we're working with, they're suffering the same starvation that the people are. How did he die? How did he survive the gunshot? Miraculously, he survived. Like we were getting updates from now. Like so the neurosurgeon and one of our orthopedic surgeons scrubbed into the case as well. And they picked out shrapnel and, you know, he had exposed brain matter. So they were taking out pieces of the skull from the brain.

47:57And he ended up in, you know, in the ICU when we checked on him right before we left. He was still non-responsive. But now he is responsive, still not communicative, but able to follow commands.

48:09Saagar Enjeti:What about your own safety? You know, I mean, we've been covering a lot this week, the double tap strike at the Al Nassir Hospital that took out, you know, medics and journalists. Some reports are now saying it may have been a triple or even quadruple tap. BBC found a quadruple, two tanks. It keeps it just keeps going up. So how did you feel about your own safety? And I guess sort of a part two of this question is, you know, you come on shows like ours after these experiences to share them. Do you feel like the Israeli government is starting to become aware of that? Are you worried that they may not let you back in another time?

48:49I think the first question, yeah, there were definitely this time around we had more close calls than on prior trips. You know, when you go up north, you have to go between hospitals to get cases done. Um, so like I did a few spine cases, I would have to go to another hospital called Sahaba. So they, they, you know, load you up into an ambulance and drive you over, uh, to do the cases. And, um, so the last trip, I was a little bit more liberal and going around town and, and, you know, there were a couple of close calls just due to that. But this time, you know, there were various, I mean, we're, we're in a privileged position being American and European teams.

49:24Uh, they're, they take our safety as a, as a high priority, both on the UN side, as well as on the side of the other Palestinian teams and probably from the Israeli side as well, because there are drones overhead continuously. They always know, I think, where we are. And so, but there were a few times where there were strikes very close to us because we were in Gaza City. I think there was that push to invade the city. So there were a couple of airstrikes in the building adjacent to us. I saw, you know, a drone strike happen in an apartment. that was in the building adjacent to our dormitory. We did, you know, the day that we were leaving, our UN convoy was delayed.

50:09You know, you have to wait for a green light to move. So we got loaded up into the cars and then somebody came by and said, it's going to be in 30, 40 minutes. Why don't you wait outside? So me and one of my colleagues that came with us walked around to the back of the convoy just to talk. And one of our teammates stayed in the car because he was taking a nap and there was a drone strike just a few hundred meters away that like rocked the cars. And somebody from the OCHO center ran out and said that the convoy got hit. So we freaked out because we knew he stayed in the car. But luckily it was a little bit away.

50:43But there were definitely some close calls this time. I think, you know, again, we have this sense of security that because we're American and European, And I think for the hospitals, they also see it as some sense of security that when we leave as a team, they're more nervous about being invaded. So whenever there was a strike, I think Al Jazeera had reported on one of the Sundays that there was a strike in front of the hospital. There was some talk of having us move back down south, but that's what we were saying. Like, you know, if we can serve some protective purpose, then it's good for us to just finish out the mission and stay put where we were.

51:21I think speaking up, is an interesting question. Like, you know, when you arrive, you get a debrief, a brief from the, from the, you know, the, the teams that have, that are coordinating your travel from the UNWHO. And they say specifically not to use certain buzzwords and not to assign blame to anything. But then when you do these, these interviews, people will ask pretty directly. And then you're kind of stuck in a hard position where you're like, you're, you're the reporter. I mean, you know, you know, who's doing the shooting and stuff, but it's, it's kind of a unique situation to be in. But I think at this stage, you know, it's anybody who's following the conflict, I don't think there's too many questions as to the responsible parties.

52:01And when we are there, you know, they, a lot of the doctors that are there and staff that we work with, they're like, you know, one of the biggest purposes that you serve is going back out to the world and explaining what's going on here, because it's not, it's not right for anybody to live under these conditions. And they're very cognizant of what's going on around the world. And so we feel compelled to speak up and at least report what we saw. Like, I mean, one of the girls, for example, like it's actually pretty hopeful. Like she's a general surgeon, you know, great surgeon, like very calm, collected, cool.

52:33She wants to be a plastic surgeon. We were like, oh, you can definitely do it. Like, you know, down the road, like take your USMLE. You can even get it. You might be able to come out to America for training. And she's like, yeah, I know. My brother lives in California. like these are these are normal people that are not like you know uh cut off from the rest of the world they know what's going on and speaking of bringing back some of the disturbing stories one of the things you shared with us i wanted to get your um get get you to elaborate on for us let me

52:59Saagar Enjeti:see if i can share this and if not we could have put them in post ryan but yeah actually is this working you guys can see this right yep yeah so this is i would call these photos uh disturbing but not overly graphic. This is an x-ray of a 16-year-old girl's wounds from what you said was a shooting at a GHF site, Gaza Humanitarian Foundation site. You told us that you observed a pattern of victims coming in who were shot in the genitals, suggestive of some type of depraved target practice. So this is one. We can talk about this in a moment. This is a 12-year-old boy who is being operated on. Can you talk a little bit about what kind of injuries you were seeing this time from the GHF site?

53:59Yeah, so, I mean, a lot of the, you know, know, it's a mix of blast injuries and gunshot wounds. And I think for the gunshot wounds in particular, there is this feeling that there's a target practice being done because they'll come in waves. So in the course of two days, we had three patients with gunshot wounds to the scrotum that had to have an orchiectomy or a testicle removed. And so we were talking to the urologist and he was like, it just happens periodically where you'll get a wave of these shots right to the testicle. There'll be waves of shots right to the head. And, you know, I think there is, the suggestion is, is that these kids are being used for target practice.

54:43I think there's, you know, there is some concept of just spraying into the crowd with gunshots. And so that can be a little bit random, but when it comes in waves like that, the physicians there are, they suspect that this is targeted because these are sniper bullets. Yeah, that's what I just showed there, right? Yeah. And the thing is, exactly. And these bullets are large caliber bullets. And so, I mean, it's, you know, coming from a sniper rifle, like it does quite a bit of damage. One of the spines that I operated on was like a sniper shot that, I mean, the bullet is huge and it just does an immense amount of damage.

55:19So this was an unstable spine where the posterior elements were just completely blasted from a, from a gunshot wound. And you just have to kind of span it with screws and rods, but it's the nature of the injuries from these high-powered rifles is pretty remarkable. So it looked like sniper fire? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think with the large caliber bullet, that's the suspicion is that it's coming from a sniper rifle. And you also showed us this miraculous one here, which I'll put up, where you said this was shrapnel that came. This was a spine surgeon before you did this when you said. You described this one here.

55:59Exactly. So one of the neurosurgeons at the hospital, like he had done this case a few weeks prior, actually. And this was a piece of shrapnel that had entered the skull and traveled through the foramen magnum and lodged itself in the cervical spine. So he first operated on the patient for a head bleep and then came back a couple of days later and retrieved this piece of shrapnel from the cervical spine. And remarkably, the patient regained function. So he was able to kind of move with four out of five strength in his lower extremities in one arm and the other arm remained paralyzed. But, you know, he was in a it's actually a really kind of a sweet story.

56:38Like he, you know, when we got done with cases, he went to, he said we had to go, I got to go do something. So him and the attending neurosurgeon and the attending orthopedic surgeon actually went, you know, left us. And then we saw him in the hospital courtyard because they had physically gone to take this patient out of his bed and put him in a wheelchair so his family could wheel him around. We were like nowhere else in the world would you see the attending surgeons like go physically mobilize the patient. That's what they were saying. Like these are our kids. You know, we have to look beyond just a physical injury, and any 16-year-old just laying in bed shouldn't be, it's not good for his mental health.

57:14So they forced the family to kind of get him out and pull him around in a wheelchair. But it's really a miraculous case. Like, you wouldn't expect anyone to survive that type of an injury. You also sent this one? What's the... That's the same piece of shrapnel that traveled through the head. You can see the track that it took. It went into the frame in Magnum directly. Got it.

57:34Saagar Enjeti:And doctor, like, you know, if I got shot with a sniper bullet, I'm sure it'd be a very long recovery post the operation. You know, with a lot of these people you're operating on, they're getting sent once they're done operated on. Even if it's successful, they're being thrust back out into a war zone with little food or water. What's your sense of people's ability to survive after these wounds, even if you do patch them up? So, yeah, that's the thing. It's like it's it's a long drawn out recovery for a lot of these things. And unfortunately, they're going back into a situation where they're living in a tent without without food.

58:12There are extended hospital stays for some patients who just really need it. And they're trying right now in the health care system to develop a, you know, this Wafa hospital is a rehab hospital that they're trying to convert into more of a longer term stay for people to recover. But it's not online yet. It was actually damaged in a strike before, and so they're trying to get it back online to be able to provide some long-term care. But a lot of these patients, they just go back out and they have to figure it out on their own. I mean, even some of the fractures that come in, like as fresh fractures, normally they would get admitted here in the U.S.

58:48or in the West. They're just getting a splint put on and being sent back home to follow up again when we can fit them on the OR schedule. But the inflow of traumatic injuries just makes it to where some of these patients are waiting for months with an injury that never gets treated. Well, Dr. Khalil, we really appreciate the work you're doing and also appreciate you filling us in here. I hope your reentry is as smooth as possible. Have you heard anything from your colleagues that are still there that they want to share as a final word? Yeah, I mean, I think like, you know, that's there. There's been a number of doctors that have been denied.

59:34I think the denial rate is getting up to 50, 60 percent likely. And so, you know, I think like going going in like Israel going in. And what are they getting denied for?

59:44Saagar Enjeti:Like, are they bringing band-aids or what's what are they getting denied for? There's no explanation. So a lot of times, like, you get denied before you even get to the border. If you get denied at the border, it's because of, you know, bringing in something or they say, like, you have, you know, something that might be dual use, like an ultrasound to do fast exams in the ER or to check for bleeds in the ER. Most of the time, the denial is before you get to the border, like before you even get on the UN convoy, and there's no explanation. So there is some suspicion that some of it may be doing interviews and reporting on what was seen.

1:00:13I wish, you know, journalists like yourselves could enter Gaza. Like, I think once you go there, like it's hard to describe in words the camaraderie that you get from the people that are working on the ground there, these other health care professionals. But it's, you know, I think at this point, everyone is pretty committed to speaking up because a lot of the doctors there kind of see it. The physicians, hospital staff talking to them, they almost see it as an endgame at this point. Like, they're like, you know, when we talked about Gaza City being invaded, directly asked some people, like, do you think it's going to get invaded?

1:00:45And one of the one of the guys was like, it's it's unlikely because why would Israel accept more personnel losses to take over something that's already this destroyed? but um and yet they seem to be doing it anyway exactly exactly and for a lot of those docs that's the they're they're we always ask like what can we do when we go back and it's always the same answer like just don't forget us and tell the world what's happening here all right okay well

1:01:10Saagar Enjeti:thank you very much doctor for your time here today um your time in the past uh telling our audience about this and uh we wish you in the medical community luck as they try to do what they can out there. Thank you so much. Well, thanks everyone for joining us this Friday. We have a great second half of the show coming up. If you want to see that it's breakingpoints.com to get a premium subscription. We love having those paywalled conversations with our premium subscribers on Friday because we get to do a lot of back and forth question and answers and cover more important stories. So for example, today we'll be covering Jake Sullivan's interview with Tim Miller on the Bulwark podcast.

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