In short
Three-part news discussion. (1) Sen. Ron Wyden/Bloomberg investigation into how major banks allegedly enabled Jeffrey Epstein by failing to report suspicious transactions and delaying reporting. (2) Political fallout from abuse allegations against Ohio Rep. Max Miller, including his combative CNN interview and a ballot replacement deadline. (3) Trump’s feud with U.S. attorney Jeanine Pirro over dropped charges tied to damage to the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool.
Guests
None named in the transcript (two hosts/speakers: “Crystal” and “Emily”).
Key claims
Deutsche Bank allegedly failed to promptly report over $250M in Epstein-related suspicious transactions; JPMorgan and others allegedly violated anti-money-laundering obligations and withheld information. Media: 60 Minutes allegedly spiked a Wyden Epstein segment and fired reporter Sharon Alfonsi. Miller allegedly abused multiple women; he denies and frames allegations as “hearsay.” Trump allegedly blames Pirro for “folded like an umbrella” and dropped charges.
Notable examples
payments tied to Leon Black; JPMorgan’s “terminated” client status; CBS/60 Minutes; Miller’s alleged scalding water/gun-to-head claims; Pirro’s reflecting pool case; UFC Freedom 250 event losses and sponsorship tie-ins.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWyden's Investigation into Epstein's Finances
1:29 to 2:15
Discussion about Ron Wyden's report on Epstein's financial transactions.
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Major Banks' Complicity with Epstein
2:15 to 4:18
Exploration of how banks failed to report suspicious transactions related to Epstein.
“He's obviously been investigating Epstein's finances for a very long time.”
The Epstein Network's Operations
4:18 to 6:17
Analysis of how Epstein's network operated and the role of banks in it.
“And second of all, then withholding information from the government, failing to report information to the government.”
Media's Role in Covering Epstein
6:17 to 10:03
Discussion on media coverage and suppression of Epstein-related stories.
“And so you see the way the network operated, though.”
Max Miller Abuse Allegations
10:03 to 14:01
Introduction to the abuse allegations against Max Miller and his response.
“So pretty extraordinary revelations here about what is going on behind the scenes at CBS News.”
Max Miller Abuse Allegations
14:06 to 14:37
Introduction to the abuse allegations against Max Miller and his response.
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Max Miller's Political Fallout
14:45 to 17:42
Discussion on Max Miller's abuse allegations and their impact on his political career.
“who gave a, I guess, fiery speech rebuttal against these allegations on Sunday, doubling down, staying in the race.”
Max Miller's Defiance on CNN
17:42 to 22:27
Analysis of Max Miller's defensive interview with Jake Tapper amidst abuse claims.
“So there's something happening on the ground.”
Family Dynamics and Political Threats
22:27 to 28:00
Exploring the complex family dynamics involving Max Miller and Bernie Moreno amidst allegations.
“All they're trying to do is create rumor mills without evidence.”
Max Miller's Controversy and Legal Troubles
28:00 to 35:48
Learn about the controversies surrounding Max Miller, including his legal issues and the implications for his political career.
“It looks like Republicans have no plans.”
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Max Miller's Controversy and Legal Troubles
35:52 to 36:02
Learn about the controversies surrounding Max Miller, including his legal issues and the implications for his political career.
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Trump's Infighting with Jeanine Pirro
36:02 to 42:02
Explore the tensions between Trump and Jeanine Pirro regarding dropped charges and accountability.
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Discussion on the Subway Sandwich Case and Trump’s Reality
42:02 to 46:00
Explore the implications of the Subway sandwich case and Trump's demands for alternate realities.
“It was a guy who threw his sub at what was like an ICE agent and they said, you know, felony assault charges.”
Frustrations of Trump's Presidency
46:00 to 48:29
Analyze Trump’s frustrations with domestic policy and the impact on his administration.
“But Trump is the one who did a whole thing about the reflecting pool and like drove his convoy through it.”
Reflection on the Reflecting Pool
48:29 to 49:34
Reflect on the disappointing state of the reflecting pool and its symbolic significance.
“So you were, Emily was reflecting pool curious.”
Transcript
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2:09Emily Jashinsky:Democratic Senator Ron Wyden released an investigation exclusively to Bloomberg News. We can throw this first tear sheet up on the screen. He's obviously been investigating Epstein's finances for a very long time. The Bloomberg headline here is Deutsche Bank, JPMorgan, Bank of America enabled Epstein, Wyden Report says. Now, of course, we basically already knew this, but it's a report from investigative reporter Jason Leopold over at Bloomberg, who says that Deutsche Bank failed to promptly report to U.S. authorities more than$250 million, a quarter of a billion dollars, in suspicious transactions tied to Jeffrey Epstein, including funds used to pay women in Russia and other Eastern European countries, according to a new report from Ron Wyden.
2:53Emily Jashinsky:Now, that report itself is really long and really dense. In fact, this is the last element. We can toss this up on the screen. This is going to be D3. Wyden, after giving this to Jason Leopold, released this full nearly 100-page report going through exactly what they discovered. and Wyden's team writes, the investigation revealed how major compliance failures at several Wall Street banks enabled Epstein for years by failing to report or choosing not to report his suspicious financial transactions to federal law enforcement. These banks allowed Epstein to send cash payments and wire transfers to his victims, friends, and collaborators around the world.
3:33Emily Jashinsky:The bankers who needed to be asking questions didn't ask them. Jeffrey Epstein's crimes were hiding in plain sight. Wyden goes on to say they found, quote, significant evidence that JPMorgan Chase, Deutsche Bank of America violated federal anti-money laundering laws by failing to screen and report Epstein's suspicious financial transactions in a timely manner. They went through records that were at the Treasury Department. You may actually remember Wyden very publicly going through some of those records. I think it was last year. And internal bank records that showed top executives at major banks were aware of Epstein's suspicious financial activity for years, but withheld information from the government and protected Epstein from federal scrutiny.
4:16Emily Jashinsky:So there are a couple of things going on there. First of all, not properly screening Crystal. And second of all, then withholding information from the government, failing to report information to the government. And Wyden points out they failed to conduct appropriate due diligence on more than$170 million in payments to Epstein from Leon Black. They say the documents show that even after J.P. Morgan formally terminated Epstein as a client, which people may remember is like a story involved in exactly this conversation, due to human trafficking concerns, the bank still waited years to report his activity to regulators and top bankers eagerly continue to work with him informally through other channels where he could continue to be a source of referrals for other ultra wealthy clients.
5:00Emily Jashinsky:So, Crystal, I think the big picture here was already known that essentially a lot of these banks were in bed with Jeffrey Epstein and were looking the other way, failing to report information to the government, failing to do their due diligence as required by law and by decent human beings, of course, with some of these transactions. But what Wyden's doing here, I think, is really putting some meat on the bones of what was already broadly known. This is a very big deal. Yeah. No, I mean, this follow the money piece is extremely important because it gives us a glimpse into how this whole network operated and how it was able to persist for so long.
5:39Yeah, Bank of America, they reported their$170 million in Epstein-related transactions connected to Leon Black, but they did so five to seven years after they took place. The bank said some of those transactions had, quote, no apparent economic business or lawful purpose. You know, the other question here is whether there should be criminal charges or some sort of charges filed against those who were involved in these decisions because banks are under a legal obligation to report this type of suspicious financial activity. So they appear to have failed in meeting those legal obligations. So someone should look into if something could be done there after the fact.
6:21And so you see the way the network operated, though. I mean, number one, all of these banks, they're making too much money with Epstein. So and he's not only from his own transactions, but also he would bring in Elon Musk for a meeting. He would bring in Israeli officials for meetings. He would try to bring in high net worth individuals to these various banks. So he was a golden goose in terms of client development and relationships. So they were making too much money. And then some of these people had direct personal entanglements. You know, there's all kinds of very disturbing emails between Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein that are highly suggestive of some quite disturbing activity that they may have been partaking in.
7:04So that's the way that this whole thing would operate. And if he got a couple people in high places at these institutions who were, you know, who he had some sort of blackmail material, some sort of a personal relationship with, then he could get his way and he could encourage them to turn the other cheek. And they were highly incentivized to do so anyway because of the money that was being made. Right.
7:25Emily Jashinsky:And remember, Jess Staley is all over the Epstein files and particularly in his capacity at J.P. Morgan. Obviously, he was the CEO of Barclays, resigned over Epstein problems back in 2021. But he was at J.P. Morgan for like, what, three decades, refers to his friendship with Epstein as quote unquote profound, calls him family. in the emails that were released recently. Melanie Stansbury, a Democrat from New Mexico, said, we have email documentation that in 2010, Staley was requesting and interacting with Jeffrey Epstein to procure women that he had sexual encounters with. And when he was asked in the committee hearing that they had at the time, what happened?
8:03Emily Jashinsky:And to describe those encounters, he could not recall. So Staley is, like I said, all over the Epstein files. Some of these other guys are all over the Epstein files. Remember, JP Morgan did settle, what,$300 million dollars, some$300 million back in 2023 with Epstein's victims. But that$200 million lawsuit, interestingly enough, isn't that the number? That's the number of, that's the Deutsche Bank in Jason Leopold's report based on the Weiden report. That's just the suspicious transactions that Deutsche failed to promptly report to U.S. authorities. Just a cool quarter of a billion dollars. There's nothing in that world, Crystal.
8:42Emily Jashinsky:There's nothing to worry about at all, a quarter of a billion dollars. Yeah, well, we've also we've got not only got a high finance story here, we've also got a media story. We can put this next piece up on the screen. So Wyden apparently was interviewed about this whole investigation back in March by then 60 Minutes correspondent Sharon Alfonsi for a segment the news program is reporting about Wall Street banks and the U.S. Virgin Islands government's relationship with Epstein. Two months later, CBS News fired Alfonsi after she publicly criticized their leadership and Barry Weiss's editorial decisions involving a different segment, she reported, neither the Wyden interview nor that broader Epstein story has aired.
9:24Spokesperson for CBS News confirmed that Alfonsi had interviewed Wyden for a potential segment in March, but said the story did not come together for airing during the 60-minute season that concluded in May that the spokesperson would not comment on any plans for the program's next season. So just to put that all together for you, 60 Minutes had recorded an interview with Wyden on exactly these financial potential crimes and certainly cover up of the Epstein relationship and suspicious transactions. Not only did they spike the segment, but they fired the correspondent who conducted the interview.
10:03So pretty extraordinary revelations here about what is going on behind the scenes at CBS News. Because, you know, if you're interested in doing real journalism, if you're interested in also a topic that the public has great interest in, this seems like a prime opportunity for you to dig in and, you know, show what was going on here. But they decided that this was not worth their time. Interesting.
10:28Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I went and checked the archives on CBS News, not 60 Minutes yesterday, because my understanding is that 60 Minutes kind of operates as its own premier product within CBS News. And CBS does have one of the best reporters on the Epstein beat, Rudnick, who published that great report. This was before Barry Weiss took over the network, analyzing the security footage from the cell. And he's continued to do excellent, I think, really challenging reporting on Epstein. But this is a sign, obviously, now that 60 Minutes is a place to be watched. I did go back and look at the 60 Minutes archives recently.
11:08Emily Jashinsky:Not a ton of Epstein coverage. Obviously, they're once a week. But just in the last year or so, they haven't done a ton over at 60 Minutes on Epstein. but CBS at least does have a reporter that seems to still be on the beat, allowed to be doing what they're doing. Crystal, it's a sign, though, to keep an eye on what's happening. No question about that because there are a lot of people who have convinced themselves they can get away with. I mean, it was ABC News, right? It was Amy Robach at ABC News who I think was James O 'Keefe got video of her saying that the network squashed her Epstein reporting.
11:44Emily Jashinsky:And I think she said, I had it. She was like, I had all of this years before some of it blew up into public media. So it's definitely not beyond these networks to come in and try to put their thumb on the scale for people in their orbit. Yeah. No, they didn't want to compromise their access to the royal family in advance of wedding or whatever was going on at the time. Yeah, can't have that. So sorry. Sorry, victims. Sorry, world who doesn't want to continue to have a pedophile cabal, have massive power in our system. We got to cover the royal wedding. So that's more going to take precedence. Yeah, it would hardly be surprising if a network was putting its thumb on the scale to downplay or suppress any of this reporting.
12:29Emily Jashinsky:But we'll continue, obviously, to keep an eye on CBS News, as we have been doing. So, Crystal, unfortunately, we have another abuse scandal to talk about today in the case of Max Miller.
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14:44So we have been tracking the political fallout and alleged abuse allegations against Republican Representative Max Miller, who gave a, I guess, fiery speech rebuttal against these allegations on Sunday, doubling down, staying in the race. Today is actually the deadline to replace him on the ballot. So it doesn't look like that's happening. The only Republican who has said that he should no longer be in Congress is his own father-in-law, Senator Bernie Moreno. Max Miller went on Jake Tapper's show yesterday for a combative interview. We'll show you some of those highlights. But Emily, you got a glimpse into some of the local political valence here and how Republican voters in his district in Ohio are processing these allegations.
15:29Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, you know, so I host a show right after Megyn Kelly on SiriusXM every day where we just take callers who have reaction to news of the day. And a guy from Max Miller's district in Ohio, who said he was from the district, called in yesterday, Trump voter, and gave us a little bit of reaction, how he's personally thinking about how the community is thinking about whether or not they'll go and actually vote for Miller amidst these very, very ugly allegations. And they continue to mount, by the way, just the way that his campaign and potentially his House office, that's another scandal in the making, have handled these allegations.
16:05Emily Jashinsky:It's stacking up. So we can take a listen here. I believe his name was George in Ohio, how he described his reaction in the district yesterday on Sirius XM. I'm calling because Max Miller is actually my congressman. And I don't think that I can actually vote for this guy. Yeah, he's a strange dude. A lot of stuff comes out in the local media that doesn't make the national news. He's had troubles before like this. And he really hasn't been a great congressman. And he's basically just been a rubber stamp for whatever Trump wants. I mean, I've been a Trump voter, but I'm not too enamored with him at this point.
16:46But I hope the Republican Party finds someone new within a day to put up because I don't think this guy will win. His opponent is pretty strong. I don't know exactly that I would vote for his opponent either. I mean, just sit this race out home because Ohio's in deep trouble with the Republican Party here. But that was my point. I don't think I can vote for this Max Miller guy. Pretty interesting. And, you know, his comments not only about Max Miller, like, listen, even before this, we had some issues with the studies just not doing a great job. But also saying that the Ohio Ohio as a whole is having some issues with Republican leadership and, you know, him being a Trump voter and being dissatisfied with that.
17:28And I do think Ohio is one of the states Iowa has really been screwed by the Trump agenda. But I do think Ohio is a state that has really suffered from some of the choices that Trump has made, both economically and obviously in terms of the war, et cetera.
17:41Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, I had another woman from Ohio call in a couple of weeks ago and say she thinks Republicans are cooked in Ohio, that it's actually looking like Sherry Brown is going to win and that Ohio is going to go Democrat in the fall because of the economy and the Iran war in particular. So there's something happening on the ground. There's no question about it. And Max Miller is right now, apparently, even the president, according to an Axios report that leaked somehow, maybe this is Trump world trying to undermine Max Miller without publicly saying he should step down because Trump doesn't want to do that.
18:16Emily Jashinsky:If you're a loyal Trump guy like Max Miller is, which the caller also mentioned, by the way, a Trump voter saying he's been a rubber stamp for Trump and not pushed back enough, kind of interesting. But on a call, Trump told Miller that, quote, things aren't looking good and said his reelection would be tough, according to three sources on this story in Axios from Alex Eisenstein and Mark Caputo about a conversation Trump had with Max Miller on Monday night. And Crystal, we have video of Max Miller going on CNN to defend himself in front of Jake Tapper just yesterday. He's doubling, tripling down on all of this.
18:58Yeah, quite defiant. And just as a reminder here to set up this exchange, you know, the most of many of the allegations have come from his ex-wife, including she claims that he threw scalding water at her, that he held a gun to her head, that there was other physical violence and threats. She suspects that he may have broken their young daughter's collarbone. So really very serious allegations here. But there are two other women who have also alleged that he abused them. One is Stephanie Grisham, who was in the first Trump White House, who said, you know, she was constantly afraid of him, that he threw her up against the wall and slapped her when he when she suspected him of cheating on her.
19:41And then there was a girl at the time in high school who alleges that he threw her down the stairs and what she described as being one of the darkest days of her life. So in any case, Tapper confronts Max Miller with these allegations, effectively saying, like, don't you realize how hard it is for us to to accept all of your dismissals when you have three separate women who are telling very similar stories about your behavior towards them? Let's go ahead and take a listen to how he handled that exchange. There are now three women, three women who have accused you of violent behavior. Politico published a report in 2021 that says when you were in high school, you, quote, pushed a girl out of the dorm of his room and she fell down some stairs after he became enraged when she resisted his attempts to touch her, according to three people who were there and many more who heard about the incident in the aftermath.
20:30Now, you deny that, but the woman in question told Mother Jones reporter Abby Vassoulis just days ago
20:35Emily Jashinsky:that it happened and was, quote, one of the more traumatic nights of her life. I would love for that individual to go on the record because that, Jake, I was 13 years. Because I'm not done with the list of women that have accused you of violence. Then there is former White House press secretary. OK, you were young. Then there's a former White House press secretary, Stephanie Grisham, who was your ex-girlfriend. She accused you of being abusive and having a violent streak. She wrote in her book, quote, I could do nothing right by him. I would wake up every morning shaking with anxiety about his mood that day.
21:04I had seen his temper before and it had scared me, unquote. She has recently filed a temporary restraining order against you in a defamation case. And now there are these claims from your ex-wife, Emily Marino. And I guess the question is, are all three of these women who don't know each other, are all three of them lying? Yes, it's very easy, and I can tell you why. Every single time, and people have asked me, you know, what are you going to do? Are you going to drop out of this race? Are you going to resign? You know, are you going to get out before the deadline? And my answer to you, Jake, is no.
21:34And I can tell you why. In 2016, when President Donald J. Trump faced the most extreme allegations in the world that hit him day after day after day, and people in the media, very much like yourself and others, said that he would have no shot at winning, that he should not be the president of the United States. But guess what? He stayed in and he was resilient. And what the American people can see is that they can see that somebody is fighting who is resilient, and that is a quality that the American people cherish. And so for no second am I going to sit here and continue to be debased by false and baseless allegations and be pushed out of the seat I have worked so hard to represent and done a terrific job for our community.
22:15You know, my record in Congress on the ways and means and House Foreign Affairs and bringing back money for our district and standing up for the Ukrainian people and also voting to protect Obamacare during this entire time. This is why no one's attacking me on my policy, Jake, because they can't. I've been a good legislator. All they're trying to do is create rumor mills without evidence. It's all hearsay. All hearsay. Kind of interesting, the issues he chooses to highlight there, which are all sort of like Democratic coded issues standing up for the people of Ukraine and protecting Obamacare.
22:47It gives you a sense of the kind of populist area in Ohio that he represents. But Emily, what did you make of his appeal there to unlike Trump? You know, Trump had all these allegations against him and what people love about him is that he stood strong. And this is a quality that the American people admire, because it seems to me that that is very much pitched at Trump himself.
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23:07Emily Jashinsky:I was just going to say, yeah, my reaction is that is directly to the audience of one Donald J. Trump. He obviously was coming off of a conversation he had with Trump over the phone the night before, at least according to Axios. And Trump was telling him it's going to be tough. So now you have Max Miller making a pitch that sounds just directly tailored to the one person, Donald Trump. But actually tying this back to that call, what's interesting is I'm not sure that's really enough to have just the Trump stamp of approval. I'm not sure that's really enough right now for Max Miller. I don't know that that can carry you anymore where you have a weak economy, a war that continues to rage on.
23:53Emily Jashinsky:Trump is not on the ballot itself. So I don't actually even know that maintaining Trump's support, I mean, obviously that allows him to maintain the support of kind of the official party apparatus for now. Because Trump is the leader of the Republican Party. So it all comes downstream of that. But I just I'm not sure that it's as as big as a dub as he thinks it is. And Crystal, just in a kind of subjective sense, he's being accused of emotional instability, like at the very, very least. We have tapes that are coming out and all of that sort of thing. You can kind of hear it. And obviously his family situation is deeply unstable.
24:33Emily Jashinsky:He sounds emotionally unstable in his own defenses of himself. It plays into exactly what the big picture accusation is that he's not well. Yeah. And he gets caught in some kind of some lies. Like, for example, he had said in that long video, you know, my ex-wife is the only one who's made any of these allegations. I was like, well, that's not true. It's just not true at all, because he wants to be able to just attack her and say, well, she's the one who is diagnosed with mental health issues. And so it's very sad, but she's got all these problems and that's what's going on. It's very much more difficult to dismiss three separate women who have all come out and said very similar things.
25:16There's also this dynamic playing out with his father-in-law. So his ex-wife is Emily Moreno. Her dad is Bernie Moreno, who is a Republican senator from Ohio who waited a very long time before he came out and said anything. And look, we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But Miller sort of obliquely threatens Moreno with a revelation of some embarrassing matter in this interview with Tapper. And he had made some similar threats previously, some sort of like blackmail-esque threats against Moreno. Previously, this could be the reason why he waited so long to come out against Max Miller in spite of the horrifying abuse allegations involving Miller against his daughter.
25:58So let's go ahead and take a listen to this part of the exchange with Tapper.
26:01Emily Jashinsky:With your former father-in-law's story today about your daughter and the little blue bunny doll that she cannot sleep without, if it's true, that sounds like emotionally abusive behavior toward a toddler to refuse to give it to her when she can't sleep without it. Jake, I would agree that if that were true, that would be incredibly disturbing and that the senator would be right. However, he has taken two years to publicly acknowledge for me to resign from my seat. Why is that, Jake? Jake, if he truly believed, like, I'm a father to a two and a half year old daughter. I believe that you're also a father to children.
26:34And I don't know if you're actually a father to a daughter. But what I can tell you is, well, Jake, then what I can tell you is, is that if my daughter came to me and she said, my ex-husband did X, Y, and Z, and then I waited because I was nervous that a political live stream was going to expose a deeply impersonal, embarrassing matter to the senator for him to take that action. Sadly, this has nothing to do with my daughter, Jake. And that's what this entire thing is about. This is nothing more than an individual who's being politically vindictive and talking about a blue bunny. When I have text messages, I can show you from our parent coordinator, who is a mandatory court reporter who said that Mr.
27:15Moreno would be coming over my home. And then another individual came who I don't know. So one of the we mentioned this before, but one of the theories here is there had been a report during Moreno's campaign that his work email had been used to set up a profile on a gay dating website. A staffer came out and said, oh, that was me. I was just playing a joke. But Emily, this is kind of the theory of what Miller may have on Moreno and why Moreno did not come forward before this moment. Right.
27:48Emily Jashinsky:And why Max Miller seems to think he can survive going forward now, it's like he's holding this potentially as some sort of last minute, last ditch shield that he'll be able to whip out and stay in the race. Obviously, today is the deadline. It looks like Republicans have no plans. It looks like Max Miller is going to remain on the ballot. Now, I guess it's possible that they could finally push him to drop out and organize some sort of write-in campaign before the fall. But right now, it just doesn't look like there's any sign of that whatsoever. whatsoever. We can go now to E2. I'm going to set this clip up.
28:28Emily Jashinsky:This is Bernie Moreno yesterday in the hallway on Capitol Hill getting asked some questions about it. Take a listen. What did you think of Miller telling Trump he could still win the election? I don't care about the politics of this. I hope that you guys understand. Maybe I hope you never have to understand what my daughter's been through, what my daughter's going through, what my wife is going through, my two boys and my other daughter are going through. This is truly the seventh level of hell. This has been a horrific experience for my entire family. My daughter specifically did not want this to be out in the public.
29:10That's why she asked me to say lower the temperature.
29:14Emily Jashinsky:And believe it or not, it actually gets even uglier. We can put E3 on the screen now. This is a letter that Annie Carney of the New York Times reported to Max Miller's lawyer from Emily Marino's legal team that said, Yesterday, you enabled your client, Congressman Max Miller, to share and disseminate to the public an electronic Dropbox folder of materials. This was in conjunction with a video rant about our client, Emily Marino, that Miller posted on X. The first time Miller shared the folder, it contained private images of Miller and Miss Moreno's daughter and left her name unredacted. At least one of those images could be considered child sexual abuse material because the daughter's genitals appear to be visible.
29:57Emily Jashinsky:It garnered, according to this letter, over 204 ,000 views from the time it was posted until this afternoon. So also Crystal Max Miller's legal defense. The Dropbox folder, I think it was, was also uploaded with metadata that showed it was from his congressional office, which he blamed this attorney on. That would obviously be in violation of House rules about campaign purposes, blaming the attorney for that. The attorney said the metadata had been changed. But, oh, my goodness, it does get worse. Believe it or not, it does get worse. We have not yet reached rock bottom, although if this isn't it, potentially sharing sexual abuse material of your own daughter that 200 ,000 people see, you can never erase that from the Internet.
30:43Emily Jashinsky:I don't know what could possibly be even lower than this. Yeah. And Miller's lawyer came out and took the blame for this, said this was all my fault. Max Miller had nothing to do with it. I deeply regret it, et cetera. But, you know, again, to your point about what is the character of this man at the end of the day, certainly this material came from him. How do you even you know, how do you put out all of these intimate conversations, which, again, he was secretly recording, which is kind of psychotic behavior, even though it's technically apparently legal in the state of Ohio. Like if you're secretly recording your loved ones, I think that also speaks to a certain behavior and state of mind here as well.
31:22But, you know, it speaks to a recklessness at the very least, a lack of regard, a recklessness when it comes to his family, his own daughter. And, you know, you and I were talking yesterday. You were like, why does anyone even want a congressional seat this much? But you got to think about it. For him, his whole career is because of this political trajectory. You know, he ends up as an intern on Rubio's campaign. And then once Rubio's out and he jumps over to Trump, he ends up as part of the, you know, head of the part of the Trump's advance team, ends up as an aide. Like everything he has is because of Trump and the MAGA movement.
32:02So if he drops out of this race, what's he going to do? Who's going to hire him? Outside of these abuse allegations, he's got, you know, some charges on his record, too. His rap sheet is not clean in terms of past interactions with law enforcement, again, including alleged violent behavior, et cetera, driving under the influence. That was another piece that came up in the Tapper interview that was, you know, he didn't exactly handle terribly well with regard to allegations of use of illegal drugs. So, you know, I think for him, it's kind of he feels like he's got no other choice. So even though you are likely dooming Republicans in this seat, he's going to go for it in the off chance that he can hold on because what else are you going to do with his life?
32:46Emily Jashinsky:You know, whatever the truth is, he decided to put his family through this by releasing the drop box. I get that he was, you know, say, let's even grant him, let's say he was potentially being falsely accused. To put the drop box out there with images of your child, to just drag your child through the mud one day in a way they're actually going to be able to see when they're old enough, is so, so disgusting. I mean, I hope that there's a swift conclusion to this and he drops out, but it's not looking like that's going to be the case at all, Crystal. No. Today's the last day. John Thune got asked about it.
33:29He said it's a family matter. Don't have any observations beyond that. I saw Mike Johnson got asked by a congressional reporter this morning. He's standing by him. He had Jim Jordan, his colleague, saying he's a great guy. You know, Trump could have pulled the plug on him, but instead he just decided to have this behind the scenes conversation, which was apparently not persuasive. So there you go. Republicans publicly outside of Bernie Moreno, Republicans standing by their man.
33:53Emily Jashinsky:Gross after, well, we covered this last week, but gross after exactly what just went down with Graham Plattner and how eager Republicans were to revel in the Plattner-DEM problems. You know, Casey Hunt nailed Jim Jordan on that one. It was pretty impossible for him to squirm out of it. You're right. Trump could end this in a second, but choosing not to. Yep. There you go. More drama, though, at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Let's go to our next segment on Trump's really brutal infighting with Janine Pirro.
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36:31Emily Jashinsky:Trump is in a major fight with his own U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, one Jeanine Pirro, a longtime friend and allies of Donald Trump, by the way, one of the most vocal defenders of Donald Trump for the last decade on Fox News, one of the most vocal defenders of him in the media, and obviously, of course, now his U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia in a pretty high-profile position, a powerful position as he makes cleaning up D.C. a centerpiece of his second administration, or at least his efforts to clean up D.C. a centerpiece of his administration. Now, before they had a meeting, Donald Trump had some harsh words for Jeanine Pirro, who dropped charges against someone alleged to have damaged the liner of the reflecting pool here in Washington, D.C.
37:20Emily Jashinsky:The president is obviously furious with Jeanine Pirro about that. Let's take a listen to him in the Oval Office. I think this was Monday, F1. I won't say what was on the sidewalk, but horrible, horrible, horrible, disgusting stuff. And not only did we fix it, we have military standing there watching it. And if anybody touches it, that was the one mistake with the reflecting pond. They hadn't put up the cameras yet. They had enough up because you see what's happening. But if they would have had them up, we would have had a lot of, it would have been a lot easier. And I was disappointed with Janine Pior, really disappointed with Janine Pior.
37:56She folded like an umbrella and people get away with things. It's a disgrace.
38:04Emily Jashinsky:OK, really disappointed. Now, if we toss the next. Folded like an umbrella. Yeah, folded like an umbrella. That's the quote. Now, she choked, I think is the other thing that he said. Now, we can put this NPR tear sheet up on the screen. They're reporting the federal government dropped charges against three individuals in connection with damage to the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, further awakening Trump's argument. It was the work of vandals. Federal prosecutors moved to drop the vandalism case against former Olympic canoeist David Hearn on Friday, abruptly changing course after arguing for months that he had taken a piece of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool's new$14 million lining.
38:37Emily Jashinsky:A judge could rule on that motion at a hearing schedule for Thursday, according to Hearn's lawyers. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia, Piro's office, wrote, given newly released evidence from the Department of the Interior, quote, is difficult to attribute the widespread damage to the reflecting pool to vandalism, let alone to establish that fact beyond a reasonable doubt. Pirro's office is blaming a, quote, unquote, botched installation by President Trump's handpicked contractor. So Doug Burgum and Donald Trump are absolutely insistent that this was vandalism. First and foremost, the problem with the reflecting pool is vandalism.
39:13Emily Jashinsky:Pirro's office, who actually had to make this stick in a court of law is saying we can't prove that, certainly can't prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, dropping the charges. Trump is clearly very upset about that. Now, if we put the CNN tear sheet up on the screen, CNN is reporting that she did not offer her resignation in a meeting they had at the White House. I believe this was yesterday. And then And Trump also declined to outright fire her. So this was actually Monday. They're reporting that he had been considering removing her after the Justice Department concluded that the problems with the pool stemmed from a flawed renovation rather than vandalism.
39:56Emily Jashinsky:That's according to two people familiar with his thinking. Also, according to the soundbite you all just heard of him openly laying into one of his closest longtime allies in the Oval Office, saying she folded like an umbrella shortly after actually that soundbite. Trump met at the White House with both Pirro and Doug Burgum, according to the CNN report. And they had a kind of a, it came to a head, let's just put it that way, a blow up over what the actual truth was. And Trump is saying that the filing, quote, blindsided him. He didn't know beforehand that Pirro was going to drop those charges and was very upset about that.
40:38Emily Jashinsky:But Crystal, he is obsessed with the reflecting pool to the point where one of his longest allies, one of his most intense allies of the last decade, he's furious with her. and Janine Pirro is loyal to Trump beyond almost anything else. She's loyal to Trump. They have been pleased with her except for maybe the sandwich case, the Subway sandwich case. They've been pleased with her here in D.C. But man, she couldn't make the charges stick and that's not good enough. Yeah. I mean, if like Janine Pirro is probably the closest thing that you're going to get to like a female Trump. I met her before I've been on her show.
41:21Like the vibes are very similar. They're both these like brash New Yorkers. I mean, one major difference is Trump is a teetotaler who doesn't drink at all. And that's definitely not the case for Janine Piero, but they have a lot of very similar personality traits and she has been completely loyal to him. Um, and she also, you know, she's another way it doesn't, she doesn't have all that much of like a rock solid ideology. So it makes it easier for her to just go in whatever direction he wants to go in at the time. You also could be forgiven for her thinking that it'd be no big deal if after pressing these charges, she then turned around and dropped it because that has been the story of this Trump administration.
42:01You brought up the Subway sandwich case just as a reminder for people. It was a guy who threw his sub at what was like an ICE agent and they said, you know, felony assault charges. That ends up, I actually think a grand jury wouldn't indict him is what happened there. New York Times had a whole analysis of all of the charges that have been filed against people who are alleged to have assaulted ICE agents or other immigration officers. Out of the 500 plus instances of charges, only four have been found guilty. In most instances, the charge in many instances, the charges are just completely dropped because when they dig into the substance, they realize I can't make this case in a court of law.
42:44It is one thing to tweet something out and have a press conference. It is another thing to actually establish a fact pattern that is going to lead to a guilty verdict or at least a plea deal. And so clearly she looked at this like, OK, the truth of the matter is this is ridiculous. We're not going to be able to make this stick. Let's just quietly walk away from it. But Trump wants her to invent a totally different reality, which is not something she's capable of. So it's very easy for Doug Burgum, who doesn't have to go and present a case in court to say, oh, yes, sir, of course it was vandals.
43:17It wasn't the fact that it was rushed and the whole thing was botched and you gave it to a contractor who's a buddy of yours through some corrupt deal. It was definitely these left wing radical vandals that caused the problem. It's just such a perfect like story of the Trump administration. It really has all of the levels here. because to your point, Emily, about the loyalty, like, is even the most loyal person, if you aren't able to, you know, invent a reality, do something that's completely insane, sacrifice yourself on the altar of Trumpism, like, eventually it comes a point where you just can't give him what he wants because reality is in conflict with it.
43:56Emily Jashinsky:Well, yeah, and on a serious note, there's been a lot of speculation that one of the reasons Trump launched the Iran war, one of the many reasons, but one of them is that when you get frustrated on a domestic policy front, just psychologically as a leader and politically as a leader, it becomes tempting to sort of lean into the things that you have almost total control of rightfully or wrongfully, meaning foreign policy in particular. And that sounds like maybe an odd connection, but it's just to say that he's really clearly very frustrated on the domestic front. And he feels like he can exercise almost total control here in Washington, D.C., still moving ahead with the arch plans, moving ahead with basically everything that he wants to do at the White House.
44:39Emily Jashinsky:If you've seen pictures of the helipad, that's in progress right now, changing what the South Lawn looks like. And even here in D.C., if he's not able to kind of exert his his will, you see his frustrations bubble up with somebody who's been a longtime friend and ally to the point where he considers firing his pick for U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, Janine Pirro, and lashing out really brutally from the Oval Office. So it is all to say that you do sense with him genuine frustration, not this like kind of nonsense palace intrigue that we used to get during the first Trump administration about, oh, how he's frustrated with this person and this person.
45:20Emily Jashinsky:And it was a new person every day and it was a fresh cycle every day. But now I think there's palpably a deep and obvious frustration he has with even his loyalists not being able to kind of exert his own will when he thinks it's most possible. Yeah, and it's a tell if you want to get at him. Like this is something he actually cares about as stupid as it is, which is why he made a big deal out of it to begin with and talking about the ballroom all the time. Like these are the things that he actually cares about. So, you know, one of the right wing pushbacks on the reflecting pool coverage, which, you know, in general would be fair is like, well, why do we care about this?
45:57There's so many more important things. True. But Trump is the one who did a whole thing about the reflecting pool and like drove his convoy through it. And you had all these right wing influencers going and talking. Oh, my God. It's so amazing. It's so beautiful. The new paint job, et cetera, et cetera. So then when it doesn't go well, you don't get to turn around and be like, why are you guys even talking about this? It shows you this is a path to get under his skin, which many people in the country would like to do. There was one more element that you added to this, Emily, that is kind of shocking to me, actually.
46:29Let's put this last piece up on the screen from the BBC. Apparently, the UFC lost like$30 million on their White House lawn cage match situation, the Freedom 250 event at the White House. It says they lost$30 million staging this. Despite the one-off events losses, which UFC expected, they still saw an increase of revenue for the second quarter. An estimated 4 ,300 people, including President Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, were present for the invite-only event on the South Lawn. Tickets were not sold to the general public, and initial costs were predicted to be more than$60 million. However, they were able to recoup some of that money through sponsorships, media exposure, and other partnerships.
47:09So I guess they saw this as kind of, number one, a loss leader in that they could attract attention, bring more people into the brand overall through how highly publicized this was. But more importantly, Dana White and Trump are obviously longtime friends predating Trump's latest political era. And it's good for any company in America to be on the on the good side of the king. So when they think that will ignore to their benefit. And so that's part of the calculus here, too.
47:36Emily Jashinsky:Well, yeah, they say their revenue is up for the second quarter, despite that$30 million loss at the UFC White House event. So I guess maybe branding and exposure did its job in that case. But the entire thing, I mean, never worth leaving out was World Liberty Financial was one of the sponsors, which is Trump's son's company, which has benefited Trump himself. So it turned into a massive grift, not particularly surprising, but worth mentioning on that front. By the way, I should mention about the reflecting pool. I think on a Friday show, I was bullish about the reflecting pool. Really? Oh, I'm more than happy to take an L on it.
48:18Emily Jashinsky:But it is true that there's a better way to do the reflecting pool and that it was so bad and gross. Now it's even worse and more gross and it's fenced off. So you were, Emily was reflecting pool curious. I was. She was optimistic. She was open-minded. And yet Trump has devastated her and deeply disappointed her with this shoddy, corrupt job that was done. Here I am, like Jeanine Pirro, forced to admit that Emperor Trump could not repair the reflecting pool. But yeah, I was cautiously optimistic that they might be able to do something slightly better. And in fact, it seems like it got significantly worse.
48:59Emily Jashinsky:Union Station looks great-ish. It's not as good as they say it is, but it's better. It shouldn't be that hard, though, to be honest. It really shouldn't be that hard when you're Trump and you're just bulldozing shit. I mean, if he was going to be able to do anything well, you would think it would be renovations. Yes. Yep, that's right. And here we are. So I'm happy taking L on it. But we will continue to monitor the reflecting pool situation. Have no fear. We will be watching and reporting back to you on the progress or lack thereof. Indeed. All right. We'll be Ryan and Sager tomorrow. I've done enough for now.
49:42I couldn't believe how late you stayed up last night. More caffeine. I'm not a late night person. It's really brutal for me. I know everybody feels very sorry for me. Detroit, you need to get your act together with this vote counting situation. That was ridiculous. But anyway, you'll have a brochure to look forward to. and then we got a great Friday show. I'm sure we'll have some fun things cooked up for then. So Emily and I will see you guys then. Everybody have a great day.
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