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24:29What is that? Do you remember? No, it's some kind of like staff offices or it might even be the medical exam room. But I want to see the medical exam room is further down the hall. It was a longer walk. But the big thing is that if you look at this diagram and you assume there actually is a camera recording there and that those are actually elevators, then you're left with an impression or you're likely left with the impression that an approach to Epstein's cell through the elevators would be covered by that camera. And the Justice Department has said that it has footage from this camera, but it has not released the footage from this camera.

25:04But because this is the 10th floor layout and the 9th floor layout is materially different, that's an incorrect impression. Right. So let's move to the 9th floor layout, which appears elsewhere in your piece here. And we can put the image up that has the kind of yellow area that is suggesting where the camera footage would be with Epstein's cell kind of off to the side of it. What's important to you about that layout? So the IG provided the original for this diagram. What they did not do was block out the main elevators versus the visitors' elevators. And it's not inherently obvious that underneath, if you look above the main elevators, is that little red camera, non-recording camera.

25:56That's covering a door symbol. so that's actually like the main entrance to the shoe or the one of the the first of the two main entrances to the shoe um and then you go in past the shoe laundry office and then there's another door actually before you get to the main area of the shoe and that's where they have written america's strongest shoe that's where you see it but you could follow this path right and then up the stairs to uh epstein's tier and the way they rendered the staircases here is also really misleading you would think that the staircase on the left you see how there's kind of two staircases leading up to like m tier really so this let's down to m tier pause one second for this let's put up the one that you labeled here streaming but not recording camera and where you've drawn these kind of red lines yeah so the way they've the way they've uh drawn these staircases is really misleading here i corrected it in one of my diagrams but it was a good amount of work to like figure out the angles and everything uh the left hand staircase there it looks like it's the one that leads up, it's actually leading down.

26:57That goes to the lower tier, M tier. And it's the right-hand staircase that actually leads up to L tier, to where they say Epstein was. And so the camera has fairly good coverage of the left staircase that does not lead to Epstein, but it does not have good coverage of the right-hand staircase, which did.

27:15Emily Jashinsky:So let's also then talk about this other discrepancy you point out of these other two discrepancies you point out that are important. There's number four in your article, no showers on shower day. And then number five is incorrect plumbing, which may sound to people like, oh, it's a small thing. They just got a little minor detail of the physical space incorrect. But you say, no, these are hugely significant discrepancies. Tell us why. So in terms of the no showers thing, it ties into the so-called orange shape that ascends the stairs and what we see that the shoe workers doing. The August 9th, the date of the footage, or the date the footage starts, right?

27:56It goes from the 9th into the 10th, right? The night of the 9th into the 10th. August 9th was a Friday, okay? If you're in a federal shoe, you only get three showers a week, okay? And in most of those shoes, you get those showers on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays, okay? And on those shower days, you get a change of clothes, right? That's the only change your clothes again. So according to the IG's report, there were 72 prisoners in the shoe on that day. That's 72 sets of boxers, 72 sets of pants, 72 towels, 72 t-shirts, right? It's a full change of 72 things for 72 guys. And so if you look back at the, one of the other diagrams we we were just looking at where I show the shoe laundry office, right?

28:44And you examine the video like I did. I went in detail through this video. I played it all. I played it at a slightly accelerated rate, but I played it all and I took notes. A shoe worker goes off frame really near the beginning of that video and heads towards that shoe laundry office. And because it was shower day, right they've got 72 sets of things uh to wash and dry and i i don't remember for sure if there are uh the washing machines are actually on this floor if they send up the laundry down but there's presumably also 72 sets of clean laundry coming in that need to be folded and sorted and put on the shelf right and so this guy he he leaves the frame uh early in the night and it is entirely plausible to me that he would still be doing his job that he would be out of his cell working that they would just ghost him during the count so they would they would count him as if he was in his cell, even though he's in this laundry area.

29:35And that to me seems the most likely explanation for the orange blur.

29:40Emily Jashinsky:So it would be an inmate doing the laundry. Inmate doing the laundry, goes back to his cell at 1042. The officer goes up the stairs, which we kind of see, locks him into his cell at night, and then comes back down the stairs, which we also see. It makes more sense than the IG's explanation that an officer was carrying clothing. I agree with the video expert CBS had. It wouldn't look like that. That's most likely a person walking up there. But there's a very mundane reason for it. And this is something CBS would have known had they bothered to actually interview anyone who's been in federal prison, been in a shoe in federal prison, or better yet, interviewed someone who's actually been in this particular shoe in federal prison who knows where the laundry area is.

30:19Emily Jashinsky:Or something the inspector general, if they were truly interested in an accurate report. Oh, it's not even in my top five problems with the inspector general. And so then the question then becomes, you know, if, and also let's get to the L tier. Um, because I, since, since you were on here last, I spoke with a, another inmate who actually served specifically on the L tier and said that, yes, uh, that that's the only one that didn't have cameras in the cells. Uh, yeah, I didn't, I didn't know that. I mean, I was all over that shoe, but not on L tier. So, you know, it was news to me, but it jives with the pictures we have of Epstein's cell.

30:59Because I went looking through those pictures. I know where the camera would be. And it's not there. Right. Right. So that means that they chose to put their most high profile inmate in a cell without a camera. And also in a cell that could be approached in apparently multiple directions by somebody who would not be recorded, which itself is an interesting question. And then you also get in your piece to the notion of the cameras not recording. They say that they were streaming but not recording, and they didn't realize that until right before this situation. Lay out why it sounds to you to be implausible that they'd go for this long without realizing the cameras were recording?

31:50Yeah. So according to the IG, it took NCC 10 days to discover that the cameras weren't recording. Okay. This facility houses at capacity 400 something federal prisoners. Okay. Every federal facility, including this one, has a department called the Special Investigative Supervisors, SIS. Okay. They're like prison intelligence. It's like a twice the oxymoron of military intelligence. But they take their jobs very seriously. And their primary tasks are internal investigations, handling snitches, managing gangs, and interdicting contraband. And in a facility the size of the MCC, they get a steady stream of kites, they're called, like flying a kite.

32:35It's a term for when an inmate drops a note, like ratting out a staff member or ratting out another prisoner. There's going to be a steady stream of them in a facility this size. And no self-respecting SIS department could possibly go eight days or 10 days without reviewing recent camera footage. Because when they get one of these kites, right, it's going to include like a date and a time and a place for SIS to go check out, you know, so that they can, you know, build a case or bus somebody or whatever it is. So in a facility that size, I just, it's very, very unlikely SIS would go that long without reviewing footage.

33:09And then when they do discover the cameras aren't recording, which is two days, I think, before the night in question, they did something odd or they didn't do something. You know, I was in eight jails and prisons, okay, across my seven and a half years as a quote unquote political prisoner. It was one bid, right, but I got transferred all over the place because no one likes a guy who has media connections and litigates and, you know, all that. So I got sent all over the place. And every time I was in a facility where they had a significant camera issue, not just like one camera output, like a systematic thing, even for maintenance, right, they locked down the whole facility.

33:47It's just too much of a liability. They can't have people walking around. We were locked down for like two or three days in Terre Haute, Indiana, when it was like 100 degrees out for camera work. just to give it a that was planned so they find out the cameras are down and they don't lock down the prison and we know the prison is not locked down because we see in the video we see shoe workers outside their cells just like going about their days and like that wouldn't happen during a camera lockdown right

34:19Emily Jashinsky:now news today this is A7 is that just yesterday House Republicans James Comer subpoenaed Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton but also So, interestingly, Bill Barr, so some former Republicans, actually even Alberto Gonzalez, who was attorney general when the Sweetheart deal was struck with Epstein back during the Bush administration, and Attorney General Jeff Sessions. So, Martin, do you have questions? I mean, Barr, I think, would be the big one. Obviously, he was attorney general when everything that we're discussing right now happened and, you know, would have been privy to all kinds of information about what happened to SHU.

34:56Emily Jashinsky:So are there questions that you think Bill Barr might have the answer to? Like, are there particular things that you would recommend he be asked? I'm trying to remember if Barr was on record saying that he had personally reviewed the video. I think that he was. And assuming that he was on record saying he had personally reviewed the video, you know, he went forward with this same narrative that, you know, there was no way anyone could have gotten to Epstein's cell. And there's just no way reviewing that video for someone to stake that kind of a claim. So I would certainly ask him about that. And then, you know, I'm not sure how familiar you guys are with the Dalton School and the connection through Barr's family with the Dalton School.

35:38But I think that, you know, bears some scrutiny as well.

35:41Emily Jashinsky:And just sticking on that point, your point about the video, he described it as like a perfect storm of screw ups that had happened. He said, I can understand people who immediately whose minds went to the sort of worst case scenario because it was a perfect storm of screw ups. Those were his comments to the Associated Press back in November of 2019. So I guess, you know, on the—if he's saying that all of this was basically just accidental, that led to Epstein's death, this was all just happenstance, it just was this perfect storm of screw-ups, what's your perspective as somebody who's been there and sort of knows all of these things would have had to have been?

36:22Emily Jashinsky:Like, if that's true, tell us what that means. like the odds of all of these screw-ups happening, quote-unquote screw-ups? Yes. I think the odds are fairly low. The problem is Bill Barr's personal knowledge. He can claim that he doesn't have intimate understanding of the running of these facilities, that when he was attorney general, that he had a director of the Bureau of Prisons to whom he entrusted these matters, and that these things generally didn't rise to his level. So I don't know what in particular, you could ask him, except again, if he's on the record saying that he watched the video and putting forth that narrative, that this video is conclusive.

37:05I think he's got a real problem. Yeah. All right. Well, Marty, thanks so much. We'll continue to follow your reporting on this. Appreciate you joining us here. No problem, Ryan. Thanks again for having me. And your substack, martyg.substack.com. .substack.com, yep.

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39:03Emily Jashinsky:President Trump called into CNBC yesterday talking to a pretty friendly audience, At least they expected to be a friendly audience, but got some interesting moments of pushback because, Ryan, he was on a tear yesterday. He was on one. Some just, I was going to say bizarre. Somebody stocked up the Sudafed at the beginning of the month. So he's going to be riding high for like another week. Let's, without further ado, roll B1. Where do you get the notion that it's rigged? Or do you have any evidence there? It is antiquated, but it's also very political. And, you know, I had an election recently where I did very well, won every swing state, won the popular vote, won everything.

39:44All right. Days before the election, they put out numbers that it was like the country was on fire, was doing so well. And then they did a revision about two weeks later. And the revision was down by almost 900 ,000 jobs. You remember that? Those were benchmark numbers. That happens. They do that. They do that twice a year, and it reconciles the monthly figures with the overall numbers. And it was a big number. And obviously— The numbers were rigged. The numbers were rigged. Biden wasn't doing well. He was doing poorly. Perhaps with the tariffs, some businesses delayed some spending. Some consumers may have been less certain about the future.

40:28So maybe we're seeing a slight slowdown in labor, but you're going to get exactly what you want based on these numbers. Which ones do you believe? Do you not believe the revised numbers either? It's not what I want. I don't want that. I wanted it a year ago. I wanted it a long time ago. Jay Powell is highly political. And I think, you know, I call him too late. Jerome, too late Powell. He's too late. He's too late always. He always has been.

40:53Emily Jashinsky:So that's obviously with, again, a pretty friendly audience and Joe Kernan still getting pushed back on those points. Right. And I think the friendliness has limits when it comes to Wall Street here. Because the United States' reputation for accurate financial data is central to its role as the dominant financial services sector, industry in the world. Like, we don't make anything, really. And because we're able to move money around, we skim off the top. Like that's the that's that's basically what our economy does right now. We can do that because we have a military and because we have a trusted financial system.

41:40If you are an oligarch anywhere in the world and you put your money with Goldman or with JP Morgan. You expect that that money is going to be there and that if they tell you that CDs are paying 4.1 percent, CDs are paying 4.1 percent. and that if the economic forecasts are said by the United States government to be this, that they are that. That if job losses are this, that is their best estimate. And their debt, the United States debt is what they say it is. Argentina for many years, for instance, Greece, a bunch of other countries, when they got into trouble, they would fudge their numbers. Argentina was just straight up like lying and hiding debt.

42:26And so then people stopped trusting the numbers that were coming out of Argentina. And so then they would cost Argentina more to borrow. So Wall Street actually deeply cares about this and does not want Donald Trump to play around with this.

42:42Emily Jashinsky:That's a great point. It's core to their whole thing. Doug Henwood, your buddy. Talked to him yesterday, actually. There you go. He's a friend of mine, a Marxist economist, terrific left-wing economist. He posted the other day, chiding the left, he said, with Trump about to try to fake economic stats, it's not very helpful for leftists to say they were already cooked. They're not. I follow this stuff very closely and have for years. They're very good and assembled by civil servants who take their jobs very seriously. So that goes to Trump's point that it's very political. It's not. Anybody watching this show knows I don't have a lot good to say about the United States or the United States government.

43:31Right? Good Lord. Is that fair?

43:33Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. That might be our primary source of disagreement. Our bureaucrats in the civil service take their jobs very seriously. whether you're whether trump is in the white house or whether a democrat is in the white house they are doing their very best to put out the numbers now what could have happened in the last six months that might make it more difficult for civil servants to have done a perfect job can you think of anything not off the top of my head ryan well if you're spending two of your days is writing an email about what you did the last five days. If a bunch of people in your office are taking buyouts from Doge, a bunch of people who are on probation for whatever reasons, they just moved there, they just got hired, they just filled a spot.

44:22If they got fired, well, now you don't have them. And if you had a hiring freeze and now you can't, you know, it's tough to hire going into the election. Then you have a hiring freeze that's running basically till now. that could perhaps make it a little bit trickier to do your job. Like, I mean, let's just be honest like that. Of course it would. Is that why they had a large fluctuation in the numbers and this significant correction? Probably not. I think what your buddy over at CNBC was saying has something to do with it. Trump is throwing the economy into chaos. like in order like the for these month-to-month numbers to have to be as accurate as possible they get survey data in they are obviously not counting everything in the country think about it think about how you get these numbers it's surveys you talk to 0.00 percent of businesses to try to get an idea of where things are heading and then you compare that to your projections and to what's been happening in the past.

45:30But if tariffs are going wild, and if you're striking deals and then breaking deals, then what good are your projections and your past results? Now you have to just kind of go off your surveys. If you have fewer civil servants to collect surveys and to input the data, then you have less data. And if businesses are consumed by trying to figure out how they're going to weather this upcoming crisis created by this completely unpredictable economic environment, they're going to be less likely to return their surveys on time. Right. Like this is all just common sense. Nowhere in that. Also, think about this.

46:18Donald Trump is saying that this Biden-appointed civil servant who, you know, got like 96 votes in the Senate or whatever, falsely claimed that the economy was doing better after Trump's

46:33Emily Jashinsky:tariff rollout and then only later revised it downward. So why would a Biden person, let's say they want to hurt Trump, why would they falsely elevate the numbers for Trump after his tariff rollout? If they were a Biden person trying to hurt Trump, they would lower the numbers, not increase the numbers. Right. Unless they were unless it was this 3D chess where they know that Trump is actually going to destroy the country with these tariffs and didn't want him to see the damage that he was already doing. So they wanted to bait him all the way in. That's the only remotely plausible theory you could have here.

47:20And if that's the case, then Trump would have to be like, oh, maybe this whole thing is actually is a bad idea. Yeah. So anyway, that's why Wall Street is upset because this is their bread and butter.

47:31Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Their bread is buttered by accurate data that people trust around the world. It's their literal product. Yeah. This is it. It's actually what they're. And it's all they have. Yeah. Think that guy has anything else he can do? Mm-hmm. No. Joe Kernan? Yeah, no way. I mean, he can talk. He can talk on TV. Yeah, he can go work for the NFL-owned ESPN. Oh, yes, that's right. That broke yesterday, didn't it? Yes, the NFL is going to own 10 % of ESPN, including some media outlets. Sounds fun. So I'm actually going to skip ahead one element because just to make Ryan's point about Trump and Wall Street, like the limits of Wall Street's favorability towards Trump.

48:15Emily Jashinsky:It's interesting because Trump's position on migrants, and maybe I'm even going to read too much into whatever he says here and you can listen to it. But Trump's position on immigration seems to also depend on who's calling up and saying that too many of their workers and industry are getting deported. So this is B3. But we're taking care of our farmers. We can't let our farmers not have anybody. You know, these are these people that they're you can't replace them very easily. You know, people that live in the inner city are not doing that work. They're just not doing that work. And they've tried.

48:52We've tried. Everybody tried. They don't do it. These people do it naturally. Naturally. I said, what happens if they get it to a farmer the other day? What happens if they get a bad back? He said, they don't get a bad back, sir, because if they get a bad back, they die. I said, that's interesting.

49:11Emily Jashinsky:What do you make of that, Ryan? Insanely racist and gross and weird. Very weird. And it's always, it always amuses me that in Trump's imagination, everyone always calls him sir. because his dad wanted people to call him sir oh is that a thing yeah and so everybody who walks up to trump's according to trump says sir so anyway uh that's why he thanks them for their attention to any given matter it undermines the you know the right often says that the right often rightly criticizes liberals when they defend immigration by saying who do you think cleans the toilets and cuts the lawn and picks the fruit as if that is a defense of a multi-tier hierarchical system in which some people have no rights and are underpaid and exploited.

50:04And this completely undermines that attempt to criticize, that rightful criticism of liberals to say that, well, actually -

50:14Emily Jashinsky:We need some easily exploitable - We need people because if - People to pay in cash. No rules whatsoever. So if they get hurt, they just die. So that's what we need. And that is certainly one way to run an economy and is kind of the way that we've been running it for a very long time. But that doesn't make it right. In fact, it's quite obviously when put in those stark terms, so wrong. And this is not the first time he's rolled out that argument. Obviously, there's been reporting for the last several months that Brooke Rollins, Secretary, Agricultural Secretary, had been getting calls from business owners and corporations.

50:54Stephen Miller's just playing whack-a-mole with these farmers, basically.

50:56Emily Jashinsky:And Stephen Miller is his entire position on immigration. He's from the Los Angeles area, was very much forged in that kind of class cauldron of, you know, went to fancy private school and everything. And that was essential. If you if you see the kind of origin story of Stephen Miller from California as being important, which I think it is, he he he says he saw that up close and personal and saw the way people are exploited up close and personal. and it's undermined that entire, if that's the predicate of your immigration policy, that this is the sort of elites relying on and under the, that is not the only predicate for Stephen Miller's immigration policy, to be clear.

51:42Emily Jashinsky:That's not what I'm saying, but it's part of it. Part of it is that part of the argument that people on the right make all the time, and I think it's a correct argument, is that this is sort of elites who want to rely on an underpaid, easily exploitable workforce. That's not an argument against immigration altogether, you know, if we were to debate the topic more deeply. But it is an argument against the system of immigration that we have. And so Donald Trump repeatedly, Brooke Rollins apparently as well, making these arguments and making these carve-outs, I mean, the average sort of MAGA voter is way more in the substance on this with Stephen Miller than they are with let's have carve-outs for people in hospitality because Donald Trump knows that industry really well.

52:30Emily Jashinsky:And you think about all of the objections on the right to this system, they involve people, for example, stealing social security numbers, which is a real thing. A lot of immigrant laborers have stolen social security numbers and thrust people whose social security numbers are stolen, whose identity is stolen, to complete uncertainty because cartels sell those numbers. If you are against all of those different downstream consequences of our current system, Donald Trump is making an argument that those downstream consequences are fine because the cost-benefit analysis of what would happen to these industries works out in favor of the rich business owners.

53:09Emily Jashinsky:So it just, I think everyone who watches this show knows that the right makes these arguments all of the time. Sagar is someone who makes these arguments very articulately. And it's just like, Like Trump is, when it's not favorable, not on board with those like sort of central tenets of the post-2016 Republican Party's approach to immigration. Right. Yeah. Trump just wants to live in a land of rhetoric, not actually do anything. He's a construction guy. He wants to be popular with people he wants to be popular with. And he wants to, yeah, he wants to demonize people and murderers and rapists. But he doesn't actually want to do the thing.

53:53Stephen Miller wants to do the thing. And that's where the conflict comes in.

53:58Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, that's right. Because they're not designing anything new to replace it. Because he's right that if you go and arrest everybody and throw them out, you actually do not have enough labor in the country absent. You just don't have enough labor in the country to do the things. that we need done. Like that, that is true. So that's a structural question. Well, and not right now, but Stephen Miller. And I mean, many people would respond by saying that's exactly why you need to have this process of job openings. And like there was a Wall Street Journal article that a lot of people on the right were passing around a couple of weeks ago about how deportations out of Nebraska, I want to say it was a meatpacking plant, had happened.

54:43Emily Jashinsky:And the like waiting room to apply for the job was full of residents of Nebraska after people were deported and there are going to be pockets where we see examples like that but it's not going to be evenly spread out and that's what Trump is doing is not so anyway that's good because like throughout American history um bosses have used migrant labor both both internally inside the United States and also internationally to undermine labor unions and worker power. Like that's a thing that everybody should be aware of. He was completely against it for that reason. I'm going to talk about the evolution over time on Chavez on that, but it was not uncommon as a position at all, you know, in the 60s for the pro-worker left.

55:30Emily Jashinsky:And Bernie Sanders up to, what, 15 years ago, somewhere around there, on illegal immigration as well. So, yeah, that's I think we will absolutely see pockets of examples like that Nebraska meatpacking factory. And to the extent that helps people in the community. Yeah. And if Democrats would just make their immigration focus bosses who exploit workers. Yeah, they would. Then they'd be able to use those Nebraska examples to their credit. Be like, look, see, we told you it's these it's these greedy bosses. Exactly. And don't think that those bosses aren't complicit in the system. Don't think that those bosses aren't helping people find different ways to get around the citizenship or maybe they use E-Verify or whatever it is.

56:12Emily Jashinsky:They drive them in, yeah. Yeah, of course. And don't think that, yeah, they're not advertising in different ways. And also don't think that the people who are going to get those jobs at a Nebraska meat packing plant are all going to be white. They're not. There will also probably be a lot of black Americans, Hispanic Americans who were born here or legal residents here or citizens, I should say, who get those jobs too. So, Ryan, it is interesting because what you were saying about Trump and the data and how Wall Street has some of the red lines, what he chooses, the battles that he chooses are kind of interesting.

56:51Yeah.

56:52Emily Jashinsky:And unpredictable. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So let's actually go ahead and put, speaking of Trump being unpredictable, this, for some reason that I still have actually not gotten to the bottom of, maybe it was to look at the new Rose Garden construction or the new White House patio construction. Donald Trump went to the roof of the White House yesterday, capping what was a strange, what morning, early afternoon, and took questions. Let's roll B2 here.

57:23Mr.

57:24Emily Jashinsky:President, what are you doing up there? Taking a little look. Come out and talk to us. Who do you help? Are you glad you're here? Hello, Peter. You're looking good, Peter. Are you going to move up there?

57:47What does that mean?

57:50Emily Jashinsky:More ways to spend my money. Can you give us another hand? I will. We'll show you. It's just another way to spend my money for the country. Are you sitting here with my story? Anything I do is finance by me. Okay. If you were listening to that, what you missed is at one point he does the contours of something with his hands. He like sort of makes a, I don't even know how you would describe it. It looks like he makes a, like a, what, a circular, an orb. A type of orb. Yeah, it's with his hands. So I guess, Ryan, our best assumption is that he is looking at more construction based on that. By the way, it is just such an undignified position for the reporters to be in, shouting up at the president, why are you on the roof?

58:34Emily Jashinsky:What are you doing? Are you considering more construction? Come down and talk to us. But that is where the pool found themselves yesterday, is Donald Trump took a trip up to the roof, would not say why, and proceeded to compliment. Could have been Peter Alexander. I'm assuming it was Peter Doocy when he said, looking good, Peter. looking good. And that was how Donald Trump spent his Tuesday. And as he continues to flirt with ways to serve out additional terms, I find it a little extra discomforting the extent to which he's taking an interest in renovations to the White House. Like he looks like he's planning on staying.

59:12Emily Jashinsky:He wants to stay. That's actually a good point because he did. He made comments about that again yesterday, right? That he said something to the extent of like he probably won't run for a term. So we'll have to find that quote. But yeah, I hadn't thought about that. They did that. He's settling in. They did the patio pretty quickly. I can't say I'm a big fan of it. He's going to make it an age in place. Everything on the first floor. Yes. The last thing I want to say about that clip is when, so I was in the pool the day he toured the Fed. And I have this video of him descending the stairs, the temporary stairs that the construction workers put up.

59:45Emily Jashinsky:And he pauses and spends time like on a catwalk just surveying, you can see his like, the wheels turning in his head, surveying the construction itself. And like, this is what he loves more than anything. Like, shouldn't he just appoint himself like the national, like head of the Capitol Architecture group or whatever it is? Like that would probably be more fun for him as president than president. Yeah, it's what he wants to do, be a figurehead. Yeah. Like a royal figure, basically. It's the head of state, but doesn't really have to be calling Randy Fine to get his vote on death ceiling. Speaking of undignified, that's an undignified position to find yourself in.

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1:02:03Emily Jashinsky:And speaking of Randy Fine, let's get into new updates from the Trump administration on their plans for aid distribution in Gaza. This is a report from Axios that Trump now plans to, quote unquote, take over the Gaza aid expert, the Gaza aid effort, according to U.S. officials. This is a Barack Ravid story. Also, Mark Caputo is on it, who is sources in Trump world, good sources in Trump world. and Access reports that Steve Whitcoff and Trump discuss plans for the U.S. to significantly increase its role in providing humanitarian aid to Gaza in a meeting Monday evening at the White House, according to two officials and an Israeli official with knowledge of the issue.

1:02:42Emily Jashinsky:Trump is set to make remarks, I believe he's set to make remarks, at the White House tonight, Ryan. So I expect, I think it's probably fair to expect that that's what this will be in relation to. Yeah, and we've got a little bit of Trump teasing where he is on this now if we want to roll C2. Would you support Israel reoccupying all of Gaza, as has been suggested by some Israeli officials? Well, I don't know what the suggestion is. I know that we are there now trying to get people fed. As you know,$60 million was given by the United States fairly recently to supply food and a lot of food, frankly, for the people of Gaza that are obviously not doing too well with the food.

1:03:27And I know Israel is going to help us with that in terms of distribution and also money. We also have the Arab states are going to help us with that in terms of the money and possibly distribution. So that's what I'm focused on. As far as the rest of it, I really can say that's going to be pretty much up to Israel. Yeah. And the aid, the mechanism of aid distribution is a central sticking point in negotiations, which are now stalled between Hamas and Israel, with Hamas insisting that the previous aid distribution system run by the UN and a cohort of international aid organizations, which have 400 pre-existing aid sites around Gaza, be re-implemented.

1:04:09And their argument is that if you are concerned about the trucks getting looted as they come in, then you need to send in more than five or 10 trucks a day. because these crowds just swarm. If they know there's only five trucks, it's just a game theory situation. If you know there's only five trucks coming in for the entire day for two million people, then it's worth it to you to risk your life to try to be right next to the truck so that you can pull whatever you can off of it. But if you know that there are a thousand trucks getting in a day and they're at these 400 different sites, then you're just going to go to the site where you're assigned to and you're going to get the rations that you're entitled to.

1:04:49Like that's why we did not see these violent scenes and we can roll now C3, this VO. It's why we did not see violent scenes like this up until Israel took over aid distribution. This is a compilation just from yesterday that with another massacre outside of an aid site. You can hear the gunshots in the background. You can see this man kind of taking his final breaths. And you have this kind of just inchoate vision.

1:05:29Emily Jashinsky:If you're watching this, there's the crystal blue water in the background of this gorgeous Mediterranean scene surrounded by absolute apocalypse. And it's person after person, we're trying to get aid. And then it finishes with the man who was filming it realizes that he's filming his cousin. And he starts calling out his cousin's name at the very end there. So this is the aid distribution system that Israel is defending in its negotiations with Hamas and that Trump says that we are going to continue to fund and become involved with just to not go back to the original system. Elon Levy, who used to be the Israel spokesperson before he was fired for getting in a fight with like a UN diplomat.

1:06:28Emily Jashinsky:This was after October 7th. After October 7th. And then, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Just this morning, Post is something I wanted to share. Maybe we can add this in post. He shared a, Andrew Fox, a reporter, they brought him to a distribution site. And Elon is sharing this, Andrew Fox's report. Elon writes, just think about this for a second. This is what Elon says as his own. He thinks this makes Israel sound good. He says, IDF uses warning shots to control crowds outside, i.e. firing over people's heads or at open ground to deter stampedes. Andrew Fox says he is, quote, deeply uncomfortable with live fire for crowd control, but there are, quote, few alternatives.

1:07:14Crowds are unruly, potentially infiltrated by Hamas. So according to Israel's own propaganda, they are firing live rounds over people's heads or at open ground to, quote, deter stampedes, which is, have you ever heard of shooting at a crowd to deter a stampede? Separately, they're saying that their crowds are, quote, potentially infiltrated by Hamas. What on earth could that possibly mean? So you are shooting into a crowd of unarmed Palestinians, or sorry, over them and into the ground. You accidentally just keep killing them every single day by the dozens, but you say you're not, they're just warning shots.

1:08:02But you're doing it because they're, quote, potentially infiltrated by Hamas. This is shared by Elon Levy. Potentially infiltrated. What are you talking about?

1:08:13Emily Jashinsky:It's just dishonest because the only correct approach then would be to do no aid. And that's what a lot of people, that's what a lot of Israeli officials would prefer. We are going to talk later. Which is basically what this ends up being. We are going to talk later about Randy Fine, for example, as just someone who is in lockstep with Netanyahu, essentially, saying Israel has no obligation to provide humanitarian assistance to the people in Gaza, children, women, civilians in Gaza. And that is, I think, the much more honest position, as gross as it is. It is the honest position, saying that these crowds may be infiltrated by Hamas renders, because anything could be infiltrated by Hamas.

1:09:02Emily Jashinsky:It is the government of that land. Right. Why did we bomb that school? Well, could have been infiltrated by Hamas. Why'd you bomb the hospital? Could have been infiltrated by Hamas. And it's true. And I mean, so David Petraeus had a piece, he's talked about this on and off for the last couple of years, that there are different ways to isolate military and civilian populations when you go in. And he talks about strategies that the U.S. used during the surge in Iraq that he sees as having been very successful, where you isolate the military threats in particular areas. And then you can go and do humanitarian assistance to people outside of like high security compounds in, for example, Gaza.

1:09:45Emily Jashinsky:But the point is, if you want to still provide humanitarian aid because you think it helps your position in the world or because you think it's the right thing to do because children are starving, then saying it might be infiltrated by Hamas completely renders it impossible. So the only honest thing then to say is that we're just not doing it. We have no obligation to do it. Let the kids starve. And there's a new Sky News fact check of the Ministry of Health casualty figures that we were going to talk about now. But I actually think it would be better to talk about it after your monologue because it relates to it and to some of the pushback that you got.

1:10:22So let's move to your piece next.

1:10:25Emily Jashinsky:All right. Join me on a hypothetical journey. The year is 2014 and you're at one of the conservative movement's many annual conferences. The rubber chicken has been served at a dinner honoring some think tank's aging Cold War veteran. As coffee is poured, conversation at your table turns to maybe President Obama's latest dust up with Benjamin Netanyahu. Everyone agrees Obama is undermining a key ally, but you, a mainstream Hannity-watching conservative, disagree. What has been happening to innocent people and children in Gaza is horrific, you contend. the United States should not be involved in fighting nuclear-armed Israel's war with Iran.

1:11:04Emily Jashinsky:So that would go over about as well as a call for 35 % tariffs on Canada back in 2014. There's a reason that Pat Buchanan was not invited to this dinner, and Ron Paul has been mocked as a crank during the keynote. You'd probably already be in the parking lot or in a shouting match by the time your table mates tucked into their slices of mediocre cheesecake. Both quotes, though, are sourced directly from Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene's ex-account this summer as the war in Gaza approaches its two-year mark and, quote, food supplies in Gaza have dwindled, per a headline in The Wall Street Journal.

1:11:37Emily Jashinsky:Now, this is all part of what I wrote for Unheard this week, and I had some interesting response. The piece was headline that Israel is losing U.S. support. Israel is losing the U.S. front, is I believe what the specific headline was. But I wanted to go through a little bit of it here, because some of the numbers that we're getting from polling, combined with new comments from Marjorie Taylor Greene, Steve Bannon, and others, I think really signal that we've reached a turning point on the right. And it might not show up in polling overall yet, and we're going to explain why, but it's coming for the Republican establishment.

1:12:18Emily Jashinsky:So Green, who is one of Donald Trump's staunchest supporters in Congress, absolutely shattered another Republican taboo on Monday by describing Israel's treatment of Palestinians as a, quote, unquote, genocide. And Green is not alone. Steve Bannon, who is, of course, one of the most popular right-wing podcast hosts in America, recently argued, Netanyahu's government is out of control. On Bannon's show, this was very interesting, former Blackwater CEO Eric Prince accused the Israeli military of intentionally targeting a Catholic church in Gaza. We covered that here. And Prince declared, quote, the time of subsidizing the IDF as the American taxpayer must end.

1:12:57Emily Jashinsky:So after that church was hit, Daily Wire host, Michael Knowles, we covered it here, lamented, quote, you're losing me, you're losing me. When you strike churches, the only church in Gaza, even if accidentally, but especially if not accidentally, you're losing me. At Turning Point USA's summer student conference, the group hosted debate on the subject between Dave Smith and Josh Hammer that exposed the conservative movement's new divide. This is new. Smith, who has called Ron Paul, for example, the greatest living American hero, was greeted with cheers from many attendees for criticisms of Israel that would have fallen on deaf ears, if not hostile ears, before the October 7th attacks.

1:13:37Emily Jashinsky:Randy Fine, perhaps Israel's most aggressive defender in the House of Representatives, to say the least, has a GOP primary challenger in Aaron Baker, who's on the show today and who's been eagerly hammering fine for his comments on Gazans and his backing from the American-Israel Public Affairs Committee, APAC. Quote, I do not support starving children, Baker posted, adding, I do not support punishing citizens for having the worst government in existence. Tucker Carlson, another of the country's most popular broadcasters, released an episode of his podcast last Wednesday with John Mearsheimer that was titled The Palestinian Genocide and How the West Has Been Deceived into Supporting It.

1:14:18Emily Jashinsky:Carlson and his guests have been consistently critical of Netanyahu's government for months. That isn't even to address the outright anti-Semitism of other fringe voices with significant but not quite mainstream social media followings on the right as well. So, of course, the horror in Gaza right now is not an apples-to-apples comparison with the 2014 war. But that's kind of the point here. Speaking of 2014, the Obama veterans over at Pod Save America are issuing their own mea culpas from the left. Barack Obama signed a 10-year Memorandum of Understanding for$3.3 billion a year, so we are part of the problem here.

1:14:52Emily Jashinsky:Let's correct it. That was Tommy Veeder talking last week on the show. He was under Obama as national security spokesman, and he went on to say, when the war ends, we're not going back to the pre-October seventh status quo. He was then challenged on X by a critic who accused Vitor of exacting a grudge against Netanyahu from the Obama years. But Vitor replied by saying, or stay with me here, the entire world is horrified by what we're witnessing in Gaza, which is why this conversation is happening now and not back in 2015. For example, or basically to put that shorter, things have changed. Now, you may or may not disagree with it, but it's obviously the perception of Vitor and many people on the right as well, in addition to the sort of establishment left.

1:15:34Emily Jashinsky:There's little insight to be gleaned about the right itself from Pod Save America, but in this case, Vitor is correct that revulsion at the humanitarian crisis in Gaza is just no longer limited to progressives. This movement is nationwide, and it's so sweeping that it's dragging people on the right away from Israel, even as conservatives triple down on the support for the war. The rights divide is sharpening, but what's eroded since October 7th is basically the stigma of criticizing Israel. Gallup has been tracking public opinion on the Gaza war since its earliest weeks. On Tuesday, the firm released stark new findings.

1:16:07Emily Jashinsky:Quote, this was last Tuesday, Americans' approval of Israel's military action in Gaza has fallen 10 percentage points since the prior measurement in September, and it is now at 32 percent, the lowest reading since Gallup first asked the question in November 2023. Disapproval of the military action has now reached 60%. That's from the report. Gallup survey found a stunning gulf between Democrats and independents on one side and Republicans on the other. Get this, 71 % of Republicans still approve of Israel's military action in Gaza. That number is only 25 % among independents and 8 % among Democrats.

1:16:42Emily Jashinsky:For what it's worth, the same poll found that Trump's approval rating has declined 17 points among independents since the start of his second term, and only 27 percent of his handling, approve right now of his handling of the conflict. That number means less to Republicans in red states and primary elections. But in swing districts, battleground states and nationwide races, it's hugely significant. Independents split evenly between Trump and Harris last November, and that itself was actually a gain for Trump because he erased Democrats' nine-point advantage with independents in the 2020 election.

1:17:14Emily Jashinsky:Back in 2022, before the war, independents fell at 71 % when it came to favorability for Israel, squarely between Republicans at 81 % and Democrats at 63%. It's true that even in 2024, Israel ranked low among voters' priorities when choosing between candidates. But it's also true that Republicans counted for years on the reflexive support for the Israeli government, or they counted on receiving reflexive support for the Israeli government from moderates and from GOP faithfuls. Now the incentive structure has been transformed, and I think that's the most important point here. For the GOP, this fissure looks poised to get much worse.

1:17:50Emily Jashinsky:A Pew survey this spring found that Republicans under 50 are about as likely to have a negative view of Israel as a positive one. That is 50 % to 48%. In 2022, though, they were much more likely, Pew says, to see Israel positively than negatively. 63 versus 35%. That is a shocking change, especially as younger generations begin to comprise more and more of the electorate. Bannon himself put it best when he told Politico last week, quote, it seems that for the under 30 year old MAGA base, Israel has almost no support, he observed. Bannon further believes it's not just young MAGA, but that Netanyahu's attempt, quote, to save himself politically by dragging America in deeper to another Middle East war has turned off a large swath of older MAGA diehards.

1:18:34Emily Jashinsky:Ryan, there are a couple of reasons for this. I mean, there are obvious reasons for this, one of which is that the level, the scale of devastation and destruction in Gaza is different than what we saw in 2014, as horrible as it was before. This is a different scale. I think that's obviously the most important reason, but also the erosion of the power of gatekeepers. I was going through hypothetically yesterday, actually with Doug Henwood, thinking in 2014, would Marjorie Taylor Greene say that this is a genocide when it would absolutely black out her media mentions everywhere. She would never get on Fox again.

1:19:09Emily Jashinsky:She would be treated as a pariah. Now she can go on War Room. She can go on Newsmax. She can go on social media and still get a huge response for saying that, even if people don't agree with it, whatever. That would have, in 2014, the incentive structure to come out and say that didn't exist. You would have been blacked out everywhere. So I think the erosion of the gatekeepers is a big one. And also Gen Z, younger millennials not really remembering the time before 9-11 and just remembering the stalemates of the global war on terror after 9-11 coming up in that era. Those are the three big factors that I think right now go into it.

1:19:46And the politico-social gatekeepers still remain in effect. And I'm curious for the response that you've gotten to this piece since it was published in Unheard. I think it's a good piece and it lays out the situation quite well. But to me, it's straightforward. It's mild. It's not offensive. It's like, these are the facts. These are what the polls say. This is how people are responding to this. And yet it seems like you're still getting blowback for it.

1:20:21Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Can you talk a little bit about what the reaction's been like? people probably saw this play out in x but yeah there's uh but probably not like because we don't like if you're not in particular ecosystems on twitter like you just don't even see what's going on yeah i mean if you were if if you follow uh me closely for whatever reason uh first of all that's your mistake second of all um yeah there was a little bit i had a little bit of back and colleague. It sucks. I mean, you've gone through this on the left with some of your own people. It's never fun. But what's sad for me, and we've been really open about it here, and I feel like transparent, at least I've tried to be transparent as my own views on this have evolved.

1:21:14Emily Jashinsky:A lot of people who I trust and listen to, I started basically on the other side of this. You know, I started changing before October 7th, but afterwards, a lot of people just, I listened to everything that they said and read everything they wrote. And there's just nothing that's persuasive to me anymore, that we should be sort of reflexively supportive of Netanyahu and his decisions about how to prosecute this war. So it's just frustrating because you just keep hitting a brick wall, right? That it's, you're spending too much time with Ryan Grimm or whatever. And it's like. Well, one of the things you cited in the piece, and as soon as I saw it, I knew you'd get some backlash for it, was data from the Gaza Ministry of Health.

1:22:01And you didn't call it the Hamas-run Ministry of Health. Yes. I'm sure we'll make people angry. Yes. But for people who are earnestly confused about this question and wonder, like, what they can trust and should they believe the numbers coming out of the Ministry of Health, we do have something for you here. So Sky News, which is as pro-Israel a British news outlet as you could possibly find, set out to fact check the Ministry of Health's data. And I don't know what they expected they would find. Maybe they went into it in an unbiased way. It doesn't matter because to their credit, they published the results of their investigation.

1:22:44And what they did was smart. They took one day of deaths reported by the Ministry of Health. And they were, was it 400, 404 roughly, more than 400, 465 deaths reported for March 18th.

1:23:10Emily Jashinsky:Right, right. Brutal day. So they went and found that they found obituaries by friends or family for 404 of those. So 92%. They found one of those 465 people listed with an invalid ID. And they found 26 with the wrong date of death. So they were able to confirm that those people had in fact died, but they had died on a different day. And so Sky News then concludes, quote, these numbers are real. Anyone still saying otherwise is not serious. And so you could do the same thing with any other day and you would find the same thing. And it was a smart project by Sky News because. or not because your theory is that they'd probably set out to debunk right maybe they did yeah they might have they might an editor might have been like we're going to prove that these numbers are wrong but if somebody dies on this planet people loved that person somebody loved that person or somebody's and because we live in a world of social media they're going to share something about their memory and the life that they lived and their life that was cut short and so it stands to reason that if the ministry of health is announcing that these people died that you would be able to find some public record somewhere if you look hard enough and sky news was able to find it um back in oct we can put up c5 as well back in october 2023 at the intercept where i was at the time we did a similar thing where i had been talking um to a palestinian who lives in texas and he had told me in the first couple weeks of the attack that he had lost dozens of family members.

1:25:04And he started giving me names of the people in his family who had died. And then afterwards, the Ministry of Health published a list of 6 ,000 plus people who had been killed in the first several weeks. And so what we were able to do is take those names and those ages and compare them to the Ministry of Health. And we found almost all of them on the list. And so what we were able to conclude there is that if this was just a list of fabricated names, which is what the accusation from Joe Biden basically was at the time, that there are, okay, this is a PDF with names on it. That doesn't prove anything.

1:25:47Statistically, it's impossible that Hamas would have added names that this person in Texas had given me also separately. So from very early on, it was clear that, and also the U.S. State Department and others and UN have been using, relying on this ministry of health, which is jointly run, by the way, by Hamas and the Palestinian Authority. It's the only ministry in Gaza that is jointly run by the PA. Nobody ever, New York Times never says, or BBC never says, the PA run health ministry, which would be just as accurate. But the PA is basically a subcontractor to Israel. And so saying that the PA jointly runs it undermines what is the attempt there, which is to cast doubt on the numbers.

1:26:38So if you're curious if these numbers can be trusted, the answer is that they can.

1:26:43Emily Jashinsky:And one final thing, I didn't even cite in the piece, just the piece was a little different than the monologue. I didn't even cite just the Gaza health ministry numbers. I cited a Washington Post analysis of the Gaza health ministry numbers that was setting out to verify names and ages and sort by names and ages. It is stunning and sweeping and just God-wrenching. It's horrific. If you haven't scrolled through it, I think it's worth it. But that's actually what I cited. So I cited American media analyzing the Gaza health industry numbers, not even just the numbers themselves. And so the last thing I just want to say on this is it's one of those issues where I think because of tribalism and partisanship, polarization, whatever you want to call it, we end up reflexively saying, oh, okay, so Hamas is the government in Gaza.

1:27:38Emily Jashinsky:Hamas is evil. Don't trust Hamas, so these numbers can't be right. Like, oh, you're asking me to support numbers from Hamas. And obviously, I think Israel is the good guy here. And I'm not going to, if Israel is saying those numbers are overstating it, and Hamas is telling me the numbers are undercounting it, I'm going to go with Israel. That's how a lot of people would approach this on the right. And then when you start peeling at the layers, and you start poking them and looking more deeply, you realize actually there are ways to test the accuracy of the numbers. And when you do it, it doesn't look good for people who claim that the Gaza Health Ministry is making it all up.

1:28:20Emily Jashinsky:In fact, there have been academic studies that show it may be an undercount. Wow. No doubt it is. You're right, because these are people that have shown up in medical stations, like hospitals or clinics or otherwise, the number of people under rubble, et cetera. is countless at this point, literally. Yeah, yep, absolutely. So Ryan, here we're going to get some biblical knowledge from Ryan Grimm. All right. Vital hour with Ryan Grimm. Do a little Red Heifer Apocalypse talk and Emily can fact check it all. All right, stick around for that. Apple Vacations, where your story starts. The Summer Savings Event is here at Apple Vacations.

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1:30:28Mike Johnson became the first House Speaker to visit the occupied West Bank this week with a trip that has attracted intense scrutiny. While there, he said that the mountains of Judea and Samaria, the settler's name for the West Bank, belonged to Israel, quote, by right, which not only contradicts international law, but also official U.S. policy. But behind the provocative rhetoric, the media so far has missed what appears to be the fundamentally biblical nature of the trip. So the story behind the trip involves a rabbi named Yitzhak Mamo, a Texas Christian named Byron Stinson, five red heifers, and the apocalypse.

1:31:07Now, in September of 2022, Stinson shipped five red heifers to Tel Aviv from Texas. The cattle are part of end times prophecy and are required to be sacrificed to help usher in the apocalypse. Hamas spokesman Abu Ubaida, in marking the 100th day of the war that began on October 7th, even made reference to the Red Heifers as a provocation to be condemned, since part of the end times prophecy involves destroying the Al-Aqsa Mosque and rebuilding the Jewish temple that was destroyed 2 ,000 years ago. On February 1st, 2023, Mike Johnson, according to a source with knowledge of the matter, invited Rabbi Mammo to Congress to speak to a group of evangelical Republicans about the heifers.

1:31:58Boris Johnson also happened to be there. And Johnson, that's Mike Johnson, Mike Johnson introduced the rabbi who regaled the gathering with tales of the prophesied heifers. So the meeting was held on the same day as that year's national gathering for prayer and repentance, a high-profile evangelical convening in Washington that Mike Johnson is heavily involved with. The next year, in 2024, both Stinson and Rabbi Mammo spoke at the gathering, telling their story again, where Johnson was a central figure.

1:32:31Emily Jashinsky:So, Father, we bless you for granting us the ability to have the office of the Consolidator-in-Chief represented by your man's servant, Speaker Johnson. to be with us today and your different servants representing the entire earth for a cry of repentance. So here's Byron Stinson at that event. You're going to be extremely excited what you're about to hear now as we go into this portion on Israel. I have two good friends out here with me, Byron Stinson and Rabbi Isaac Mamo. and I'm going to have them start immediately by telling the story of the red heifers. These are the men who are at the epicenter of what's happening with the red heifers.

1:33:18So Byron, shall we start with you? Byron is an evangelical Christian from Texas. Saki Mamo is an Orthodox Jew from Jerusalem. Byron, do we start with you? Yes, sir. Okay, go ahead. Hello, everybody. How are you? I have really good news today, and I'm so happy to be here. Could I have that first slide, please? Yep. If we're going to the next slide, what we see here are the red heifers. Let's go back one. Are the red heifers necessary for the Messiah to come? Well, let me ask you something. When Israel was scattered for 2 ,000 years in the land, was it necessary that Israel, Judah, the tribe of Judah, the lion, would return to the land?

1:34:04Was that necessary? Is it necessary that on the temple mountain of God, that there be a temple that we worship him there. As it says in Micah 4, is that necessary that we build the land? So the first step on the red heifers is that we are going to move towards building that temple. This is the first step and it has to happen. But my friends, I want to tell you, all of you in the nations, you need to know something. God had a plan. He put his people, Judah, into the nations to suffer because they didn't obey him. Here we are today. We're seeing today we're doing the same thing. But thankfully, we have leaders in Judah that love us.

1:34:44They've reached across to us, and they want to help lead us. And they're reading their word, and they're reading their Bible. And in the Bible, it says, find a red heifer. So they called me, and I didn't go find a red heifer for me. I found the red heifer for every one of you. Because the fathers of faith said, speak to the children in the lands, and bring us a red heifer so that we might do this ceremony. So just to underscore, this is the crew here that Mike Johnson brought to the Capitol. And here's Rabbi Mamo. This part that has not been discussed publicly in any venue, we have to have land, and that land has to be at a certain elevation and a certain location.

1:35:27And what is that? By Numbers 19, again, we have to read the Bible, we have to read the Torah, and to see. it's written that it had to be at the front of the Holy of the Holy so at the tabernacle tent time Moses, it was easy for him he had a tent and he just found the door today, as I mentioned before we know where is the place of the Holy of the Holy it's on the Dome of the Rock okay, this is a view from Mount of Olive, okay a big cemetery, Jewish cemetery by the tradition who buried in Mount of Olives will be the first one that will wake up at the redemption time. But you can see the Dome of the Rock.

1:36:16So we have to be in a place that we can see the Holy of the Holy. And actually it has to be the same heights that we can be at the same level of the temple. However, buying land there is impossible because if an Arab Muslim sells to a Jew, he or she gets killed. So that's hardly an option. But somehow, God supernaturally helped you by what? Piece of land.

1:36:53Don't ask me why, don't ask me how. And specific, don't ask me why I succeed. I don't know. but with a lot of I just say a miracle okay not any other explanation actually 12 years ago you said maybe we built a Red Angus Steakhouse when we were getting there remember that so we succeeded to bought a little piece of land one dunam which means quarter of an acre Acre. And it's, as you can see here, this is a photo from the mountain, okay? So it's at the same level of the temple as the front of the holy of the holy place. So we have the cows, we have the land. We are ready. The Israeli government approved you to bring your five pets, which you never kept in your front yard like most people do.

1:37:55As he says, they're in Shiloh. So what biblical town in the West Bank did Mike Johnson visit? Well, let's take a look. Who is that American tourist in the blue shirt and the khakis there? Well, there he is. Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson. Where is Mike Johnson? Where is that crowd? Shiloh. Checking out the heifers? Gotta look at the heifers. Gotta check out the heifers. Gotta inspect them. When he said, your pets, by the way, When he said they allowed you to bring your pets, there is an export ban on cattle from the United States to Israel. So what they did is they said they're pets. They classified them as pets.

1:38:36Emily Jashinsky:They flew them on a Boeing 777. And it landed. And they got them there. So this is the Speaker of the House of Representatives. Mm-hmm. intimately involved in this red heifer prophecy. What are we even supposed to do with this? It's supposed to be a news show, but this is crazy. Well, no, I mean, this is important because it gets to exactly what the motivations are. And it's where, of course, there is a kind of overlap in the Venn diagram between some Orthodox Jews and some evangelical Christians. We've talked about this a little bit over the years. I'm an evangelical Christian. This is what you call premillennial dispensationalism.

1:39:28Emily Jashinsky:If you're an evangelical Christian, if you remember, if you're my age. Huckabee is one of these. The ambassador. They all play. It's interesting. So Huckabee has played really careful with it. You can kind of read into what he said. And it's the same thing with Mike Johnson. You can kind of read into the groups that he speaks to, the people that he speaks to, and the way that he talks about having a biblical mandate, you know, that God will bless those who bless the nation of Israel. I think that's a direct quote that Mike Johnson has recited before. And this is new reporting that it was Mike Johnson that introduced this rabbi at this private event.

1:40:02Emily Jashinsky:Yes. So the significance of that seems to be that, yes, Mike Johnson is one of what I would say in the U.S. is a dwindling number of evangelical Christians who are dispensationalists. It was really popular, actually around the time of the millennial, no surprise. And the Left Behind books, Fear My Age, you'll remember those were out at the time. But when you played that video of Hamas on the 100 day. Johnson, by the way, was not speaker yet when he invited, when he first invited these two figures to the capital, Stinson and Mambo. Which I think is important. It's extremely important. But he was when they came back for that gathering.

1:40:45Anyway, go ahead. You were talking about the Abu Abaydah.

1:40:48Emily Jashinsky:Well, yeah. So that video is really, really important because whether or not you take Hamas at their word, what is true is that provocations, which is, I know that that's the connotation of that is pejorative, but provocations at Al-Aqsa, Dome of the Rock, Temple Mount from some Israeli officials. and with the sort of sanctioning of some major people in this space, you're not supposed to pray. There's a huge debate as to whether you're supposed to pray when you go up there. You're not supposed to. And a lot of people say that it's actually sacrilegious and everything, but there are others who push to be able to do it.

1:41:31Emily Jashinsky:And that is part of, I mean, Hamas called October 7th Al-Aqsa flood. after the mosque, Al-Aqsa, on the Temple Mount. And so, citing of the heifers, as they call it a provocation, I think what we're seeing, whether or not you believe that this is the end times, the third temple movement among Jews is meant to follow biblical mandates to bring about the Messiah. The third temple movement among evangelical Christians is because they believe that this will, this invites in the end of days, that this creates room for Christ to return and conquer evil. And so setting the stage in very specific ways, I mean, I recommend people go to the Temple Institute's website and see the preparations beyond the red heifers, the preparations for very specific things that need to happen from their perspective in order to usher in this period.

1:42:35Emily Jashinsky:I mean, this is, if you go to their website, you can see like just the menorah. How do we find that? I think it's just, just Google Temple Institute and click on their website. It's really like, you saw Numbers 19 illuminated behind some of those speakers. You can go and you can read Numbers 19. That is the specific verse that talks about the specification of the red heifers. The red heifer story is fascinating because - Some of those heifers have already been ruled out apparently? Yes, because they can't have like a white hair. No white hairs. Yeah. I mean, so this is why I think they're actually even sending frozen embryos.

1:43:10Emily Jashinsky:Someone would have to like fact check that. But so that you always have on hand. No, I'm serious. I'm serious. But this is the politics of this. Think about that. If you're putting all of the effort into the heifers. Oh, yeah. Obviously, you know this because you just reported this out. But it's like incredibly consequential that you have this. Mike Johnson is one of dwindling number of evangelicals, as I said, in the United States that are sort of premillennial dispensationalists. But in Israel, this is growing. This is this is a movement that's getting bigger and bigger, according to the reporting.

1:43:46Emily Jashinsky:So things are heating up. The heifers can never have been under the yoke, according to. Yeah, never. And they have to have a chill life. Does an embryo inside a fridge count as being under? Is that a yoke? I don't know. I think those embryos don't count. Oh, my gosh. So if y 'all do this whole thing and the Messiah doesn't come, it's because the embryo was actually under the yoke. Well, just the final. But then it's disqualified. Well, I guess that's what you're saying. It's the sacrificing of the heifer. The Lord is the judge. So you have to. They've actually already. He's guessing at what his requirements are based on Numbers 19.

1:44:26Emily Jashinsky:Well, in Numbers 19, it's God saying this to Moses and Aaron. But God left a little room for interpretation. Well, we didn't know where the yoke would go, yes, technologically. But basically, the point here is that if you believe, like after, what was it, the 1967 war, there was an opportunity to blow up the temple. And Israel decided, I'm sorry, to blow up Al-Aqsa and rebuild the third temple, blow up Dome of the Rock. and rebuild the third temple. They did not do that. So the politics of this are really important because if this is a growing constituency in political Israel, then you may be approaching a point where there is destruction of a sacred site for Muslims, which was built on the single most important site in all of Judaism.

1:45:12Emily Jashinsky:And so that's basically, I mean, everybody knows this, but that is the heart of the conflict between the two parties here is this contested territory. because it is very important in Islam as well. It's where they believe that Muhammad went on his ascension to heaven. And obviously in a lot of different streams of thought in Islam, Jerusalem is important for their own eschatology. So if you then have a growing constituency for just actually physically fighting over the temple itself, over the temple mount itself, over that land itself, and a rebuilding of a third temple, the consequences of that are enormous.

1:45:55Yeah. And I just want to underscore, the Speaker of the House of Representatives is at the center of this.

1:46:02Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway. Yeah. Although, again, he's like very Gen X evangelical. You know, there's still people who think like this, but it's definitely, it was much bigger in like the 90s than it is now. If that's any comfort. Okay. Take that. All right. Well, thanks, Ryan. This has been your Ryan Grimm Bible Hour. There we go. All right. So speaking of devout, Corey Mills. Let's do it.

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1:48:05We have new reporting over at DropSite News by Roger Sollenberger on Representative Corey Mills. You can put this first element up on the screen. Stalenberger has been investigating Mills for quite some time and this is the first in a series of pieces that we're going to be seeing but this one broke because Miss United States filed a restraining order yesterday against Mills. Now, the backstory here involves a story that you may remember from previously. If you recall, there was a Republican congressman, and it was Mills, who was accused by his live-in girlfriend in southwest Washington, D.C., of domestic violence.

1:48:46She filed a police report. she later as often happens in cases like this recanted and it was a very convoluted story about how she had bruises but it wasn't his fault and on and on. So if you remember that story the fallout from that in Mills' personal life according to Lindsay Langston was that she discovered that he had a girlfriend in Washington D.C. She was his girlfriend in living in Smyrna Beach. That's one way to find out. At the time. She asked Corey Mills about this relationship. And Mills, according to Langston, said, and a lot of this reporting from Sullenberger is based on text messages and videos that he sent to her.

1:49:33So we don't just have to go by her word here. By the way, she is a Florida Republican state committee woman as well as being the reigning Miss USA. He told her the news made the whole thing up, that he never had a girlfriend there, that this was a completely fabricated event. Not just that he didn't hit her, but that the whole thing doesn't exist. She then, not being a moron, finds a bunch of social media posts with this woman and him. She's like, okay, this is clearly, it seems to be the case. This happened. Like, you're lying here. So then they break up, and that's where it gets really bad. And Corey Mills sends her an intense number of threats, which she then reported to the police.

1:50:28So there's a police report that she filed in July, followed by this restraining order. And according to the police report and according to Rogers reporting, she shared these she shared text messages of all of these threats, threatening her, threatening threatening anybody that she may date in the future. If you want the sort of details, I recommend you go read the the drop site piece. But I think what you'll come away with and what I came away with from it was I understood Corey Mills to be quite something, to put it delicately. I was stunned. I was like, this guy is beyond what your baseline assumed level of crazy.

1:51:19Emily Jashinsky:Well, it's a, I mean, on top of all of what you just explained, Corey Mills, it should be noted, was at least previously seen as a real up and coming star among members. Right. Republican House of Representatives, the conference, he was seen as like a big deal of somebody who would have a big future in Republican politics. politics. And so this is a fairly significant development because I think a lot of the buzz around him since Sullenberger started doing his reporting on Mills has dissipated. This has been a saga that's played out over months now with the reporting. But Ryan, the other thing that's worth mentioning is I believe the girlfriend who filed then retracted her comments, who made and then retracted her comments about being abused, is Iranian-American, right, and works with an Iranian activist group.

1:52:15Emily Jashinsky:Mills is an arms dealer, right? He's also not fully divested. If I'm remembering this correctly, he is not fully divested from his defense contracting work? Right. No, not at all. Yes, he's still heavily invested in arms dealing. So on top of this being clearly an affair, and I think the abuse allegations being very credible, though she did retract them. I mean, I've covered a lot of cases like this. I can't say for sure what happened. It looks to me more likely than not that they're accurate, but of course can't say that with certainty because she's taken them away. Right, she said she got the bruises days earlier and someone fell at the airport or like just stuff that wasn't even trying to be credible.

1:53:00Emily Jashinsky:Right, it didn't check out. And again, she may genuinely just be sincerely dedicated to the cause that she's advocating for. But when you put all of these different parts together with him being a defense contractor, a member of Congress who's not divested from that business, being in this ostensibly two-timing relationship with somebody who works for an Iranian-American activist group, those things are likely not a coincidence. There's something happening behind the scenes. And in the restraining order, you know, she says like she blocked him all over the place on Instagram, blocked his number.

1:53:36He would call from the Capitol. Presumably it was him calling from the Capitol. She didn't pick up the phone, but she showed a screenshot of the call from the Capitol. He would create new Instagram accounts to message her with these various threats.

1:53:54Emily Jashinsky:Right. Right. And Roger has also spoken with a number of other three other former romantic partners who shared anecdotes very similar to the ones that have been public, which, like I said, family program. We don't need to get into any of it now. And so there's a lot more to this story and to Congressman Mills. and we look forward to rolling that out in the not too distant future. Well, a lot more. So the Blaze has already picked up your story, it looks like. But so the Blaze has done a lot of reporting. I don't know if they'll give you credit or not or if they got this individually, but the Blaze has done a lot of reporting from the right on Corey Mills, which is quite interesting.

1:54:48Emily Jashinsky:Corey Mills' wife, so by the way, he's married. He's been separated from his wife since, I believe, what, 2022? And on top of that, his wife is, I believe, Iraqi. I think she's actually from Iraq. So there's just so much strange stuff happening in this story that could be— compliment reading Roger's Sullenberger's piece in Dropset with the reporting in The Blaze because there's a lot of it. They had a really long story a few months back that was fascinating on this question. So there's definitely something more happening, wouldn't you say, Ryan? I mean, you've reported on this type of thing way more than I have.

1:55:34It just seems like there are a lot of unanswered questions about what maybe is behind the, even behind the things that have been disclosed publicly. Oh, yes. Yes, there's a lot more to this. The arms trafficking, the business relationships, the – yes, there's a lot going on here.

1:55:55Emily Jashinsky:This is the lead of a Blaze story from earlier this summer. Corey Mills, the Florida Republican who has in recent months faced allegations of stolen valor, undergoing a secret Islamic conversion, holding weapons contracts with the federal government when serving in Congress, and domestic violence, appears to have leapfrogged into yet another scandal, this time over a luxury apartment in Washington, D.C., and they are citing the Sullenberger reporting here. So just... Like he didn't pay rent for like$80 ,000 worth of rent, and he has millions of dollars of corporate debt tied to this arms trafficking.

1:56:31And he's actively voting. One of the key swing votes in a divided Congress on matters that directly implicate his arms business.

1:56:43Emily Jashinsky:Great point. So good reporting, and thanks for bringing this story to us. We're going to have more. All right, let's move on to Aaron Baker. Speaking of Florida, speaking of Florida men, we're going to talk a little bit about Randy Fine with his Republican primary opponent, Aaron Baker. The primary is coming up in over a year at this point, but Baker is gaining traction online by speaking out against Randy Fine's odious comments on the Palestinian people, people in Gaza. So let's bring in Aaron now. We are joined now by Aaron Baker. He is a candidate for Florida's 6th District in the primary race against Republican Representative Randy Fine.

1:57:24Emily Jashinsky:Aaron, thank you for being here. Thank you. Pleasure to be here. Okay. So Randy Fine was elected in April. Your primary is about a year away still. Randy Fine obviously has a big cash advantage. You ran against him earlier this year, and he had lots of money and basically ended up with, I think, like 83 percent of the vote in the primary, something to that level in a red district. So can you tell us a little bit about why you initially decided to run for that seat that Fine ended up winning earlier this year and then why you're getting back in and running again? I had a group of Republicans from the 6th district approached me and explained to me that we had to have someone that has morals run in the Florida 6th Congressional District.

1:58:12There is a very big contingent of people that do not agree with the rhetoric, do not agree with the basic principles that Mr. Fine represents, and I I certainly don't believe that he represents this congressional district very well, if at all. Let's play a little flavor if people are somehow living under a rock and haven't had the joy of being confronted by Randy Fine's rhetoric. Let's put F1, just roll that one. It's not Israel's job to feed and clothe and bathe and arm the Gazans until they're strong enough to conduct another October 7th. So that's my simple point. There are people starving in Gaza.

1:58:57It's called the hostages that are still alive and they need to be released and they need to be released now. And we can put up F2 where he said, you know, release the hostages until then starve away. And then the weird parenthetical that it actually they're not starving, but they should. But any day of the week, any hour of the day, pretty much, you can find Randy Fine posting something diabolically genocidal on his account.

1:59:29Emily Jashinsky:And he's in Israel right now, we should say. He's in Israel as we speak. Can you talk a little bit more about what the reaction has been in his district? And, I mean, isn't this kind of what people expected? Like, this is who he was before. Like, why would why now is it going to be a problem? Well, we knew this. This was exactly what we were going to get with Representative Fein. And I mean, you know, you can't change the spots on a leopard. It's exactly we knew exactly what we were going to get. That's why I ran against him in the first place. in the last couple of days last week or so, I think I've come out as the number one opponent because I will speak out against genocide and I will speak out against starvation.

2:00:22There's not one child in the world that should starve to death on America's watch.

2:00:28Emily Jashinsky:So like Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, it's your position that what's happening right now in Gaza is a genocide. And can you tell us a little bit about, based on what you just said, and can you tell us a little bit about how you arrived at that conclusion? It's my understanding that you have been a fairly pro-Israel Republican. So do you still see yourself that way? How does this fit into your sort of broader outlook on the nation of Israel? So I support the defense of Israel, but let me explain the defense that I support. I support us helping with the Iron Dome system. I do not in any way, shape or form support any offensive weapons.

2:01:06And there's no way that we should be paying for 70 percent of Israel's defense. I think even at this point, the crowd on J Street has come to the same conclusion that I have, that this is genocide, that this is starvation. There's no two ways around it. what have you been hearing from uh republican primary voters on that on that question that they're absolutely appalled by every single moment that representative fine opens his mouth they're absolutely appalled and what about when you say i think we should not send offensive weapons um to israel like how they agree yeah they agree i mean this is a trump plus 30 district that's the only way that Representative Fein got elected in the first place.

2:02:01This is common sense. This is America first, America second, America third, America fourth, America fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth. Americans do not want to be involved in endless wars. We need to help the people here. I hear about issues on the ground, infrastructure, the economy, flooding. That's what we're concerned about in the 6th Congressional District. And I understand that as a United States representative, you're in charge of, you know, helping the rest of the United States, but you're in charge of helping the rest of the United States. You're not in charge of protecting the entire world.

2:02:39We're talking about a representative who has zero respect at all for freedom or the rights of everyday Americans. We're talking about a genocidal, literally genocidal representative member of Congress versus someone, me, that will speak up and say, this is not right. I do not support genocide halfway around the world.

2:03:05Emily Jashinsky:And tell us a little bit more about how you ended up getting involved in politics, your background, because I think, you know, the question of what actually how we define America first on the right, what that looks like in practice is sort of still being hashed out. But my assumption, based on what I've read about your background, is that Trump himself and the moniker America First was something that sort of drew you to get more and more involved. Because like a lot of people, you heard that and said, yes, this is exactly what I feel after watching what's happened in Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria, Libya.

2:03:41Emily Jashinsky:And we could go on and on down the list. So tell us a little bit about how you got involved and what that means to you. So I got involved with early vote action in Pennsylvania during the 24 presidential election because I never bought into the narrative that Florida was a purple state. Florida is not a purple state. Florida is bright red state. That is not going to change anytime soon. But I'm a numbers guy. So I kept looking at, OK, how do we get to 270? How do we get to 270? And it seemed to me like the number one way to get there was through Pennsylvania. We didn't have, you know, we didn't have a crystal ball to say that Trump's going to win every single swing state.

2:04:28So I said, OK, I have family in Maryland. What can I do from Florida to be involved and to make sure that President Trump gets reelected? So I would fly back and forth from Orlando to Baltimore on my favorite Spirit Airlines, my Florida-based airline. Um, and it, and it, it was cheap. I have a place to stay there. I could drive from the Baltimore area up to Pennsylvania, made a lot of good friends up there. And whether it was handing out signs, whether it was standing on the side of the road, and we encountered people that would, you know, spit at you, throw water bottles at you, curse at you.

2:05:06It's a completely different world than Florida. But I just tried to do everything in my power to make sure that President Trump was elected in 24. And after that, I came home and I thought, okay, back to work. I'm a general contractor. I'm business partners with a general contractor. And, you know, I just thought back to work. And then after Congressman Waltz was appointed as national security advisor. Then the group of Republicans approached me and said, we need someone with common sense to be able to go to Washington and say, okay, I am not going to take AIPAC money. I believe AIPAC should be registered as a foreign lobbyist.

2:05:52They lobby for a foreign country. I'll do it. Sign me up. And the special election only had something like 50 ,000 people turn out. You know, I don't have the exact numbers in front of me. Randy, Randy Fine got like 30 ,000. You got, what, 5 ,000 or so. So it's a small, you know, it's a small subset of the electorate. But it was a wide margin thanks to Trump's intervention and endorsement of Randy Fine. What are you going to do you expect him to get Trump's endorsement again? And if he does, how do you still have a path? No way. If you go back and look, my cost per vote was$6. That's unheard of because I get out there every single day.

2:06:42During the special election, I went to 68 different events. I crossed paths with Mr. Fine three times. Three. That's it. It's a mail-in election. who can send out the most bright, shiny palm cards. And, you know, I don't have millions of dollars. I have thousands of dollars. So I ran a congressional race on$30 ,000 and he ran a congressional race on a zillion dollars. So cost per vote,$6 versus cost per vote. And I'm only speaking in the primary, the general, it was off the charts. Cost per vote,$100 for Mr. Fine. So I don't need the money that he has. I will get out there and I go to all these events.

2:07:28Over the weekend, I was set up in Flagler County. I'll be in St. John's County. I live in Lake County. So I actually live in the district where Mr. Fine lives 100 miles south and thinks that he lives 6 ,500 miles to the west or to the east rather.

2:07:44Emily Jashinsky:Well, OK, so last question for me, Aaron, is I think in the past you've suggested on this note that it's Susie Wiles that contributed to the endorsement of Randy Fine. Susie Wiles obviously has had a career as a lobbyist, is very well connected in establishment Republican circles down in Florida by you. Have you learned any more on that since making that point? I imagine you've heard from people who didn't like it, but maybe you've got more information on that as well. Is that still your understanding of how Randy Fine originally got the Trump endorsement and maybe would get another Trump endorsement?

2:08:19Well, the first Trump endorsement was a return favor for, we can say, for raising money during the special or during President Trump's election for President Trump's legal fund. We can say that it's because Congressman Fine was the first in Florida to switch sides from DeSantis to President Trump.

2:08:47I mean, we can say whatever we want. I've been told and I hate to be told things because I love freedom and I love to be able to speak my mind. And there's a lot to unpack. But I've been told to to lay off Susie Wiles. But that's the problem. I don't have any way to slice the dice. That's number one. That's why we're in this situation. If she had not picked Congressman Fine, the 6th District of Florida would not be embarrassed. I hear from people all across the state and they're like, Aaron, we are so embarrassed that this is our congressman. He supports genocide. You don't. You know, feed the children.

2:09:33I didn't know that feed the children is going to be a campaign slogan, but it seems to be. Yeah, it's genuinely embarrassing, I got to say. Deeply, deeply. And it's like, no offense, but to be an embarrassment in central Florida, like this guy's around the bend. It's just utterly incredible. It's hard to do, but we knew what was going to happen. We knew the ethics complaints in the past. We knew the outstanding court cases. We knew the anger management that he the court ordered anger management that he still hasn't completed. We knew all of this going in and we tried to stop it. And the powers that be said, you are the anointed one.

2:10:15Well, we'll see. It's going to be an interesting race and we'll keep we'll keep a close eye on it. Yeah.

2:10:20Emily Jashinsky:And keep us updated, Aaron, because we're going to be we're going to be covering it for sure. So we appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on. I appreciate being here. Thank you very much. God bless you both. God bless. Emily, what do you think of Mr. Baker? Yeah, I thought he was super. Real challenge, you think? You know, there's over a year to go. Randy Fine had a lot of money in the last primary. If he maintains the support of people like Susie Wiles and others, I think, you know, as long as the money's on his side, these primaries really are decided by money. And like in the presidential election.

2:10:57And a Trump endorsement.

2:10:58Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, and the Trump endorsement. The presidential elections, you start, you see money mattering less and less, to be honest, because it gets to the point where it's so even. And when it's Trump, he gets so much earned media. It's like he doesn't even need to buy commercials. But in these little primary elections, money makes a huge difference. And so if he's not able to out-raise significantly Brandy Fine, who's the incumbent, it's going to be really difficult. But then again— What if the Breaking Points audience sends him a million bucks? That could do it. But I was going to say that, again, this issue is for MAGA.

2:11:32Emily Jashinsky:So MAGA is the primary electorate. And the primary electorate in Florida is going to want to see—I'm sure is going to be pretty divided over this question. So I definitely think he has a chance and will certainly follow the campaign. What did you make of it? He also didn't go full bear hug on Israel. In the past, he's been a pretty standard supporter of Israel. Yeah. He said he supports the defense of Israel. Right, right. And I think, you know, partly it's him drawing a contrast with Randy Fine to come out and say only a second, you know, high profile Republican to say that they're carrying out a genocide.

2:12:18But I think he wouldn't do that in a Republican primary if he thought that it would make him unviable. So clearly, you know, his finger on the pulse of the Republican electorate is that you can be a bold critic of Israel and still get through a Republican primary. Yeah. And we'll see if it turns out. So much will depend on whether Trump re-endorses fine. And I think on the one hand, Trump could because he's fine's been loyal to him.

2:12:52Emily Jashinsky:Yeah. But on the other hand, the guy, like Aaron said, is a complete embarrassment. He is. And it's starting to become, I mean, he's trying to outflank literally every Republican on the question of hugging Netanyahu tighter and tighter and tighter to the point of ridiculousness, to the point where even AIPAC tried to distance themselves from Randy Fine recently, as you mentioned, Ryan. So you could see Trump really going either way on this. On the one hand, this is just a sloppy and embarrassing political strategy from Randy Fine that is unbecoming, from the perspective of Trump, unbecoming of somebody in this position.

2:13:35Emily Jashinsky:On the other hand, you could just say, look, he's loyal. We don't want to take an L on this. We were the ones who backed him in the first place. So we'll see. but at some point if the public sentiment starts to shift enough that can force the hand. Yeah. We'll see. All right. Well, that does it for us on today's edition of Breaking Points. Ryan, you going to be around for the Friday show? I'll be here. Okay, cool. I've been there for a while so I'm looking forward to it. Yes, there's something a little bit more chill about the Fridays. I mean, I guess we're all at home. I think I missed three in a row.

2:14:05Emily Jashinsky:Yeah, you might have. Well, no, no. We missed you. Yes, that's right. Exactly. the show didn't even happen if I wasn't there yeah if Ryan Grimm if a show airs without Ryan Grimm in a forest is anyone there to these are the questions alright I'll see you then sounds good see you all then

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