8/7/25: Indian TV Explodes Over Trump Tariffs, China Destroys US On Homeownership, Israeli Threatens Trump Over Epstein Files

25:10Because they don't care about profit. They care about reinvestment, about manufacturing, and actually changing the way of making themselves autonomous at the end of the day. That's what they care about the most. Their real economy. So, yes, Shanghai stock market doesn't do all that well. That should tell you where our S &P, I don't even know what it would return from 2009. Even with all the blips and all of that, it's still unbelievable the amount of returns that we have gotten here. But everyone needs to ask themselves, are you actually richer than you were in 2009? I would bet. We'll answer that question in a moment.

25:39Yes. Yeah. So with that, we'll give you the view. People liked when we pulled a clip last time. So we pulled one again from Republic TV. Arnab Goswami, he is the Tucker Carlson of India, nationalist over there, supporter of the Modi government. Here is the view from India's, one of the more popular television stations. Ladies and gentlemen, it is time for the nation to really come on together because it is now Donald Trump versus India. Donald Trump is foolishly, continuously, and desperately announcing a trade war. Day after day, he keeps escalating it. And he's just announced about an hour back about total of cumulatively 50 % tariffs on India.

26:23That's 25 % that was already there. An additional 25 % because we are buying oil from Russia. So reciprocal and additional. 50 % MAGA Donald Trump tariffs for India. And we say tonight to Donald Trump, bring it on. Now, bring it on, ladies and gentlemen. And that's been our response. We've told them that you can't touch us. You can't really impact us. That's what they're saying there. All right. I mean, listen, are they going to cave? I don't know. So far, the Modi government has put out statements basically saying, screw you. We don't care. We'll pay the tariff. And the line in India is pretty ironic because you guys buy a bunch of hexafluoride and other products from Russia, and then you're coming to us and telling us not to take it.

27:15I mean, and by the way, here's the best part. Indian, so Russian oil refined in an Indian refinery is exempt from the tariffs if you export it to the United States. So if you are, if Indian companies export oil to America, they will be exempt from the tariff. Make it make sense. Incredible. Make it all make sense. Last update here on the Ukraine front. Let's put A7, please, up on the screen. Trump yesterday said that there was, quote, quote, a good chance that he would meet with Vladimir Putin soon about the war in Ukraine. Apparently, Putin is the one who initiated the meeting during a meeting with Steve Witkoff recently in Moscow.

27:53It would also have some sort of trilateral meeting, allegedly. I don't know if this is, you know, all this still needs to be negotiated together with Putin and with Zelensky to try and bring an end to the war. I think it would be great if it's actually real, but, you know, there's a lot of problems for both countries. And Putin himself is basically called Trump's bluff at every single turn of this. Every time they say that we're going to have a 10-day deadline, 50-day deadline, Medvedev and the government are like, OK, fine. So same with the Indian government so far. Same with the Brazilian government.

28:23As I said, Indian exports and all that, I'm not going to say it's going to be nothing. It's about 17 percent or so of their economy's exports to the United States. So 50 percent would be devastating for a significant part of their import-export business. But just I recently saw that India will likely attend a meeting of the SCO with the Chinese. They would be meeting with President Xi for the first time since 2019. Apparently, the Russian foreign minister and others are planning trips to New Delhi. So congratulations to our trade policy now so far. Most other countries have bent the knee to the U.S.

28:58I still would not put it past Modi and them. They're trying to play it cool, but they do think that eventually they'll be able to come to some sort of agreement. They don't think this is really about Russia. Maybe they're right. I'm not so sure. But, you know, it is regardless, what you say publicly does still matter. India has politics. It's a democratic nation. Last time I went there, I was shocked at anti-U.S. sentiment. For years, you know, the dream of coming to America and all of that was solid. But the browbeating they took from the Biden administration over the Ukraine conflict, they were furious, furious about it.

29:31Really splintered a lot of relations. So I can't even imagine, you know, what this will do. And this was a close relationship. Trump and Modi, they had an event the first term. It was called like Howdy Modi down in Texas. I mean, this was like a major thing that was sold from the administration about this pivot to Asia, the cultivating of the Indian relationship. And he basically set it on fire in the span of a week. We'll see how it works. My name is Tuba Nguyen. And enrolling at Rasmussen University was essentially a handshake to a lifeline, a career, stability, and a future for myself. I found it important to be able to speak with instructors and staff outside of office hours, and to have that support system was essential because they believed in me.

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31:57This kind of gets to my point earlier. Are you richer than you were in the year 2009? If you have stocks, yes. If you have television, if you measure your ability to buy a nice flat screen LCD TV, yes. If you measure it in terms of your ability to afford an education, to afford a home, no, you're actually a lot poorer. Let's go and put this up there than on the screen. So this is a quote, estimated percent of 30-year-olds who are both married and homeowners. So as they point out, back in the year 1950, it was over 50%. Up until the year 1990, it steadily was above 40%. 1990, where you basically had the total financialization of our economy in the unipolar moment, NAFTA, everything starts to come in.

32:41You see the precipitous decline from 1990, where you have some 40, what is it, 42, 43 % of people who are married homeowners, it drops to 2010 to roughly 22%. So basically halves in that time period. And then after 2010 to today, it is now less than 15%, probably somewhere between 7 % and 8 % of people who are estimated 30-year-olds, both married and homeowners. It makes sense. I mean, just take a look at all the data that surrounds this. So for example, let's go ahead and put, what was this, A11, please, up on the screen, because this is where it all kind of starts to come together. Here you have the median yearly wage right there, which is flat to 1970, basically flat, if you factor in inflation to 1979.

33:31Take a look at the median home price, which again, this is all in real dollars, median home price was roughly around$250 ,000 back in 1979 in today's dollars and is now well over$350 ,000 to$400 ,000. Even that, by the way, has been fluctuating. The other problem is that that factors in the entire country, which in my opinion isn't really the right way to look at it because we have such consolidation in the urban areas. If you look at the urban areas, like the top 10 most populous cities and their urban metro, it's roughly between $500 ,000 to a million dollars. And in the megacities like Washington, D.C., New York City, Chicago, Los Angeles, Austin, Texas, Atlanta, any of those places, good luck over the half a million dollar price range.

34:20You're going to be making some serious compromises basically no matter what at that time period. Not to mention what the mortgages are right now, somewhere around 6.5 or something like that. If you have bad credit, it's going to be a lot higher. So you're paying double with a mortgage price that you would have just four years ago for a home price that is roughly either increased or at the same from that time. And yeah, I mean, it's just such a mystery then, you know, why people don't want to have children or putting off marriage and having any sort of ownership in your society. I actually think it's probably the most impactful statistic about the home ownership thing because it makes sense.

34:57You put down roots. You have connections. If you're a rent, you're fundamentally at the mercy of bigger economic forces than yourself. You don't have ownership or stakes in society. And I mean, I'm not gonna say, it's painting with a broad brush, but it does mean something. And so as that all starts to decline, that's how you have Zoran. That's how you have Trump. That's how you have, I mean, so many of our political socioeconomic forces stem from that. And so that really does need to be the problem that needs to be attacked. Yeah, no, that's it. I mean, the core building blocks of middle-class life just get more and more and more expensive and out of reach.

35:37And, you know, there's a lot that goes into that chart because you're talking about marriage age and you're talking about home ownership. And some of these elements are, you know, are very cultural, right? It's a trend across the developed world that people are getting married older. Of course, women entering the workforce means they're going to college, they're starting careers. That puts off marriage. That puts off having kids. So those sorts of things play into it too. But when you look at the really falling off a cliff in the 90s, you can't just blame the feminists for that one because most of the introduction of women into the workforce had happened prior to the 90s.

36:14So then why does this metric fall off a cliff there? And yeah, it's not a mystery. It's because houses got really, really expensive. And so people couldn't afford it anymore. And it truly is devastating in terms of, you know, culturally we place a very high value in this country in particular on home ownership. That's not the case everywhere. Actually, the Nordic countries have more of a culture of like of rental, you know, sort of like that's typical and getting married later. That's kind of typical. And so the fact that you have this cultural desire to be a homeowner and you have all kinds of government policy that really rewards homeownership.

36:51I mean the mortgage interest deduction being the biggest one. Capital gains is a big one. Yeah. And as a renter, economically, you're just like the way our society is structured, you're just getting screwed. And homeownership is also the way that most people build any sort of wealth that they can then pass on to their kids that can give them some sense of stability. And so if this cornerstone bedrock piece of the American dream is just being pushed completely out of reach for people, they're having to wait till they're, you know, 40, 50 before they can even dream about it, if they ever can at all, living in one of these big cities.

37:24Yeah, you're going to have complete disillusionment with the whole bargain that is the whole sort of social contract that is supposedly operating here in the U.S. So, you know, it's I think it is. I think you're right to say that this truly is at the heart of what is going on with our politics. And it's extraordinary that I feel like now is the first time where there's really any political grappling with it. You know, and it's not like how long we've been talking about this. Seven years. Yeah, for sure. I mean, and and just now you have politicians even saying anything about it. And I don't really hear anyone having like really great solutions that are at scale.

38:04to actually deal with the crisis. So, you know, this it does make people feel less invested in the country. It makes them feel a sense of betrayal when you look at what their parents were and their grandparents were able to achieve and at what age. And it just feels impossible for, you know, for younger generations. Yeah, I totally agree. Let's go ahead and put a nine, please, up on the screen. Take a look at this. This is the unpaid number of student loans by age. So more than one in six Americans are now in serious delinquency rates. And the problem with that, thanks to Joe Biden, you can't discharge any of that through bankruptcy proceedings, not exactly being helped by a lot of the current administration.

38:47This is the problem. This is for the older millennial set. And I actually, you know, people often talk about this with the Zoran phenomenon. There's a lot of people who are like, why is it educated liberals are becoming more radical? And it's like, well, in a way, and I'm not saying this to put down like working class Americans or anything. They, quote, did everything right. As in they went to college. Like what was the message? Go to college. You take out the debt. You'll be able to pay it off because of the wage premium. Wage premium obviously still exists. Going to college is still generally a good deal if you don't factor in the debt.

39:20If you look, you know, broadly at all of these things, you'll move to a bigger city and you'll be able to have some sort of like moderately accessible life. No one's expecting to get filthy rich, but they're like, I'll be able to do X, Y, and Z. And then I'm 33, so by the time – it's been 10 years up basically since you graduated from college. And so then you start to look around and you're like, I'm not seeing a whole lot of that actually. For most of the people who are able to do that, even the very successful ones, people who are pulling$200 ,000,$300 ,000 per year, are still – like they might be able to buy a home, but it's not really the one that they want.

39:54It has a lot of tradeoffs. Now, obviously, that's how it works sometimes, but that's not the dream that was sold. And especially in the Zoran context, I kept saying this, and I said this on the Flagrant show. I don't know why everyone is acting like$100 ,000 in New York is in any way rich. Like$100 ,000 post-tax is roughly, what,$75 ,000,$79 ,000, something in New York City, state, local, and federal. So if you take that over 12 and then you look at the average rent price on a one - or two-bedroom apartment and anywhere on Manhattan or like reasonably commutable, you are rent poor. Like almost 40 % or 50 % of your income is being spent on rent, which has massively inflationary over the last couple of years.

40:39So yeah, of course people are going to be upset about that. And then you flip it on the working class side. Their wages have been basically flat as we showed there since 1979. and then for a lot of them as well, as we've seen the remote work thing kind of spread wealth around the country, that makes home price even less accessible to them wherever they used to live. So Texas, where I'm from, I watched the city of Austin go from sleepy, not sleepy, but it was a college town. It was the capital, okay, whatever. And now it's the destination of tech and all of us. And now there are places like Bastrop where Texans will know what I'm talking about, which is like 45 minutes out.

41:16And even there, it's apparently pretty, dripping spring. I never in my life would have imagined many of these places with$2 million houses that are apparently for sale with like luxury buildings and stuff. And so for those people, let's say you were born and raised there and let's say you work at your father's plumbing business and you're making$75 ,000 per year. How are you moderately supposed to be able to compete with that at all? I hear the same about Atlanta, about Nashville, about South Carolina, any of these places which are like lower tax havens for people who are like second tier wealthy in these places.

41:51And so that's kind of like a race to the bottom and it just raises the price for everybody. And I'm not even talking about California, the most populous state in the country, which is just, oh, bonkers in terms of its real estate. I genuinely don't even know how people live in California. I don't. If you make$100 ,000 a year in Los Angeles, I'm like, I don't even know what you're doing. Like if you look at the gas price, if you look at mortgages, your ability to buy anything, I don't know. You must have a two-and-a-half-hour commute. I can't think of another way. I mean you'll see like, yeah, like a house like an hour out from San Francisco.

42:21Oh, that's – That's this tiny, you know, should-be starter home. Right. Nothing special at all. And it's like, oh, this is$1.5 million. What? Like insane. I mean it's genuinely insane. And, you know, with the New York talking about Zoran, the knock on him is like, oh, you want to raise taxes on the wealthy? You're going to chase all the billionaires out of the city. And his rejoinder, which I think is really worth thinking about, is, you know who's actually leaving New York? It's not the billionaires. The people who are leaving New York are the working class, the middle class, the poor. Like the ordinary people are the ones who are fleeing New York because they can't afford to live here.

42:59So how about we have a policy that seeks to keep, you know, to make it possible for them to live in this great city again? And I think that apparently has a lot of appeal to a lot of New Yorkers of like, hey, how about I'm able to afford to live in the city instead of worrying about, like, catering to the whims of this, you know, elite billionaire class. The student loan debt, it is similar to the homeownership betrayal. It is another betrayal, to your point, of a sort of deal, social contract that was offered to people. Okay, you're going to, you know, school's expensive. You're going to take out debt.

43:31You know, you're going to take these years to go further your education. But at the end of that, you're going to have that same kind of stable middle class life that, you know, your parents' generation may have been able to achieve with like a union manufacturing or blue collar job. Now, this is the new economy, and that's how you achieve that. And for many people, that has not panned out to be the case. when you factor in how expensive health care is, how expensive housing is, the dwindling wage premium, still a wage premium, but dwindling wage premium from going to college, it doesn't pencil out the way that people were told that it pencils out.

44:04And so it does represent another betrayal of Americans who were promised one thing and, you know, were sold a false bill of goods. The last point I'll make, this is a point, shout out to Ben Norton made this, and I think it's worth contemplating. You know, the original chart that we showed of like homeownership and marriage age just falling off a cliff in terms of being able to achieve those things by the time that you're 30, it really starts to deteriorate rapidly in the 90s. And one of the things that happened in the 90s was the collapse of the Soviet Union. And so, you know, the part of what enabled the New Deal and sort of kept capital in check was that you did have this threat from the left of this alternative economic system, which was alive and well in parts of the world.

44:50And so once you have, you know, the end of history, as was being proclaimed at the time, and it's just sort of like wild, wild west off to the races, you see skyrocketing inequality. You see obviously skyrocketing housing prices, skyrocketing, you know, education, health care prices, all of those sorts of things. And you see the country being run increasingly more and more and more just for the wealthy, just for the 1%. And the meager social safety net, president after president after president, whether they're Democrat or Republican, chipping away at that meager social safety net. And even though the Cold War is over, right, why are we still, you know, we were in this arms race.

45:28OK, now the Cold War is over. Can we roll back some of the military industrial complex? No. More and more of our tax dollars continue to go to support an ever increasing, expanding Pentagon defense budget and funneling billions into that military industrial complex, in spite of the fact that our primary geopolitical foe was defeated. Yeah. So, you know, we could talk about the Iraq War. We could talk about the housing crisis. But, you know, I think it's worth contemplating why that point in the 90s seems to be a true turning point. And I think, you know, NAFTA coming in at that time as well. I think it's multiple things.

46:00It's NAFTA, it's immigration, and these are all stacked on top of each other. It's NAFTA, immigration, financialization, the explosion of wealth. Student loans is a huge part of it. But all of that together, nimbyism is also like a major part of the story. And then globalization generally. I mean I've talked about this before. But part of the reason that – especially at the higher levels, if you look at the markets for like Los Angeles or New York, well, half of it is foreign-owned. It's crazy. Like the global super-rich just come here to park their money and make it massively expensive. And then you have all their like slaves basically work for them.

46:39You know, it's private chefs or gardeners or whatever. This stuff is real. Like, it's literally like the Gilded Age if you think about, you know, the level of staff and other things that kind of spread out. And it actually amplifies if you start to think about Instacart, you know, and all these other different services that happen. Finally, though, we did want to emphasize that there is a different way of living. Let's go and put A10, please, up on the screen. This was from – this is from Carl Zha. He's like a Chinese propagandist. I'll admit I hated Carl for a long time, but I have been forced to say that he is correct on many things.

47:08And here he points from a 2007 story, 2017 story, I apologize, in China, where they say, quote, the country where 70 % of millennials are homeowners. China has one of the highest homeownership rates in the world, including among millennials. If you're age 19 to 36 and you don't own your home, you're probably not reading this in China. While young people around the world are struggling to get on the property ladder, HSBC found that 70 % of Chinese millennials have achieved the milestone. In fact, I just saw a statistic that some 90 % of people who live in a domicile in China are living in something that was built after 1990.

47:41Flip that around and think about that for America. Now, a rapidly developing economy, it's a little bit different. We have legacy housing stock, et cetera. But the point being that the starter home is alive and well in China. And compare that to the stock market thing like I was talking about earlier. So the actual building blocks of wealth or educate anything in America is massively expensive. whereas all of the bullshit is much, much cheaper. So it's the inverse of what you've become materially richer for whereas over there, it's the opposite. Their stock market is flat. Who cares? You have a home.

48:17You can get very cheap food. By the way, food delivery over there doesn't have to be expensive. They got drone delivery as cheap as hell. They've got incredible public infrastructure. They have no crime and so people here are always like, oh, the Chinese people yearn for democracy. I'm like, I don't think so. I'm like, I think the system's working pretty well over there. I mean, not if you're Uyghur or Hong Kong democracy activists or any of that, but that's the price that broadly they're willing to pay. And so that's a lot of lessons, I think, for America. And by the way, they have the coolest cars in the world.

48:49Let's see what they're talking about. It's true. It's true. They do. I still need to film my video soon to go drive some Chinese cars. Oh, yeah. Anyways. My name is Arnold Bogarty. and prior to me enrolling in Rasmussen to become a nurse. I spent 16 years in the military, 12 in Special Forces as an Army Green Beret, and I was recommended to Rasmussen by a former student. She said she loved the culture. It was a family atmosphere. I went to visit the campus. The facilities were amazing. I knew before I left that that was the school that I was going to attend. Rasmussen University. Are you ready to be your own hero?

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49:59This is Nick. Hey, this is Joe. From Hey Jonas. You know, I recently learned that every 36 minutes, another child in the U.S. is diagnosed with cancer. Think about that for a second. Some of the bravest warriors you will ever meet aren't professional athletes or superheroes. They're kids in this fight. And every day, these young warriors face challenges most adults couldn't imagine. Yet they continue to show up with incredible courage, determination, and hope. That's why we're proud to support Hyundai Hope on Wheels. The past 28 years, with support from Hyundai, their dealers, and every new Hyundai sold, Hope on Wheels has contributed over$300 million to childhood cancer research, helping save more than 40 ,000 kids.

50:36But we're not done yet. We need your help. Together, let's bring every warrior home. Learn more at HyundaiUSA.com slash Hope on Wheels, or ask about Hope on Wheels at your local Hyundai dealer. Let's move on to Epstein, shall we? Let's turn over to the Epstein story. We've got a couple of new updates. Here we have Trump reiterating the Epstein files. It's a Democratic hoax and it's total bullshit. Let's take a listen. The two cabins. Very good. Mr. President, is Vice President Pence hosting a gathering this evening to talk about how to respond to the Epstein situation? Is he working on what? Is he hosting some kind of gathering of top advisors this evening to talk about how to respond to the Epstein situation?

51:15I don't know. I could ask you that question. I don't know of it, but I think here's the man, I saw a report today and it's completely fake news. We're not meeting to talk about the Epstein situation. And I think the reporter who reported it needs to get better sources. The whole thing is a hoax. It's put out by the Democrats because we've had the most successful six months in the history of our country. And that's just a way of trying to divert attention to something that's total bullshit. Total bullshit. That's his line. The Epstein files trying to divert attention. Apparently, that's the media and not the actions of the Trump administration.

51:54Okay. There was also, by the way, J.D. Vance was responding to a story, which we'll return to in a little bit, where there was some story reported by CNN that they were going to convene some grand Epstein meeting of the principals to figure out how they were going to handle it. But we couldn't help but flag this. From the Times of Israel, our friend Glenn Greenwald was able to find it. Let's go and put this up there on the screen, shall we? So here we have a rabbi. He's a blogger for the Times of Israel. Yosef Yanosky. How would you say that? Yanosky? All right, we'll go with that. We'll go with that.

52:28Trump and his administration criticized Netanyahu and Israel, he writes. Quote, and now the Epstein files are haunting him. For a long time, the files had subsidized in the background, but they were considered to be a much more threat to Trump. All of a sudden, right after he started up with Israel, the files surfaced and they seemed to be overwhelming him, he writes. He continues, now some old files are threatening him, perhaps Trump will realize that it really doesn't pay to start up with Israel. Because when by divine providence, things that were hidden become revealed, it enables people to correct their mistakes and to endeavor to live their lives properly the way God, with a dash, wants them to.

53:11Okay. All right. Let's listen. I mean, I sometimes appreciate when people say things out loud. Incredible. All right, let's give the caveat. It's a blogger in the Times of Israel. I will say I think it's crazy that they even published it, just to be fair. I'd like to even make that sort of accusation. What does he know? Well, it fits with a broader pattern of evidence. I know Ryan and Emily covered the photos from the Epstein story from the New York Times a couple of days ago, but there were some specific Israel connections in there that I think are very important. Let's go and put this next one, please.

53:41So this is from Ayyud Barak, former prime minister of Israel. I've talked a lot about his relationship there with Epstein. Flew on the jet a number of times, stayed at Epstein's residence. Whenever he was photographed going into the Epstein residence, tried to cover up his face, received millions of dollars from Epstein via the Wexner Foundation as well as an investment into his defense startup company in 2015. Well, apparently Ghislaine or whatever, Epstein's staff, always would compile these birthday messages to Jeffrey Epstein. So here, 2016, so years after Epstein is a registered sex offender, here's what Ayyud Barak writes in his birthday message to Epstein.

54:20Quote, there is no limit to your curiosity. You are like a closed book to many of them, but you know everything about everyone. I would also be remiss if I didn't read this one from Mortimer Zuckerman, one of the most powerful media figures, who said, quote, suggested ingredients for a meal that would reflect the culture of the mansion, a simple salad, and whatever else would enhance Jeffrey's sexual performance. Next, apparently, let's go to the next one, please, B3. Well, Epstein apparently had a preserved map of Israel signed by Barack in his New York mansion. As I say here, apparently there was also a signed bill from Bill Gates.

55:03There were literally visible cameras in the bedroom. A first edition copy of Lolita, which has got to be one of the creepiest things I've ever read. And then photos with some of the richest and most powerful people. I would be also remiss if I didn't flag, there were a number of Israel firsters who were very mad at me for flagging the fact that he had a map of Israel. And they were like, why didn't you talk about his pictures with MBS, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, or one of the powerful sheikhs in the UAE. And I'm like, that's not the own that you think it is, because what it does is confirm the arms deal connections that I've talked about now and why it makes him a Mossad asset.

55:45So you're actually proving my point. The fact that he had high-level connections to the Saudis proves my point that he was connected to Adnan Khashoggi, and that verifies that he was somebody who was dealing in shadowy arms trafficking networks and probably was involved in things like, or at very least, like tangentially knew the principal actors involved in Iran-Contra and in funneling weapons between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Oh, sorry. That's right. So not the own that you think it is. Not to mention. These people never go and check and see if you've criticized Saudi Arabia. Yeah, that's right.

56:18As if we don't criticize Saudi Arabia here. As if you haven't criticized Qatar and UAE. Like, go look at our coverage and be relieved that don't worry. It's not only the Israelis that we criticize. Yeah. But, Sakura, don't worry. We can put the next piece up on the screen because Ghislaine Maxwell in her Queen for a Day limited immunity meeting. She says Trump did nothing wrong. Oh, OK. And she is a very trustworthy source. And I'm sure not at all just telling the Trump administration what they want to hear so that she can get her, you know, her move over to the club fed in Texas and potential pardon down the road.

56:51I'm sure that's not what's going on here at all. I mean, it's just insane that they actually think. Well, I shouldn't say that because, you know what? A lot of Trump's biggest supporters will actually believe. Oh, yeah, they will actually take this as a look. See, Ghislaine said it's fine. They're reportedly considering releasing the transcripts from the interview so that they can try to exonerate Trump. I mean, I would be for it no matter what. I still think we need transparency in the case. But this is not I've said it before. This is why you need a special prosecutor. behind the deal so that there's no obvious political influence on what she is or is not saying.

57:27It may be true, but why would anyone actually trust what she has to say when she's genuinely gambling for a pardon and is already receiving special treatment? By the way, do you know what the current strategy apparently is for how to launder all of this? It's not to actually release the Epstein files. It's this. Let's go ahead and put this next one. I love this. Senior Trump administration officials, quote, are reportedly looking at using Joe Rogan to help tackle the lingering fallout from the Epstein crisis. So they noticed that Joe said that the Epstein stuff was, quote, a line in the sand in terms of the way that they were, in terms of the way that it was all being handled and covered up by the Trump administration.

58:05So their theory is to send the deputy attorney general on the show to go and basically talk about all of the handling. They would rather do that than release any of the Epstein files. Now, I actually am not so sure that Joe would even have them on at this point without the release of the files because the Kash Patel thing was such a disaster. Yeah. And he was like, I knew it was bullshit at the time. I didn't even really know what to say. And he's like, and the way that it's all handled afterwards, he's like, this is just the most insane shit that I've ever seen. So maybe in some ways, here, let's agree to this.

58:39Todd Blanche can go on. Bring on Dave Smith or somebody else. Bring me a, copies of anybody, all right? Have somebody else on who knows something about the case. Let them sit across and be like, okay, let's talk. You know, let's go. Because as Cash was spinning his bullshit, I mean, it became an infamous moment, no doubt. And you could tell that Rogan was like, really? He was like, wait, what? But then after the fact he made this comment, Rogan made this comment that was like, what was I supposed to do, push back? And it's like, well, yeah, you could do that. You could do that when he's sitting there.

59:08He probably just, it is such in the weeds that if you don't know, it's very easy to be bullshitted. And I mean this too from the FBI case and from the way the FBI handles it. And I've done this before, you know, going back and forth with the people who are skeptics or others. In general, they just don't know what they're talking about. I mean, I guess. No, I'm not, I think you should push back. I agree with you. Rogan has covered this. It's not like it's some side issue that he hasn't thought about before. Totally. He does know a lot of details with regard to this. So in any case, I don't know that having, I don't know, even if they have Todd Blanche on with him.

59:42Yes. And even if he doesn't bring in someone for backup, which I don't think they would agree to anyway. But even if he doesn't do that, like, I still don't know that that would go well for the Trump administration at this point, because like you've blown it. It's over. No one's going to trust you on this. It's done. People believe rightfully so that there's a cover up. I mean, we know the reporting. His name was in the files. He his name was flagged in the files. His name was redacted from the files. Like we know it was there and know like, oh, well, Ghislaine Maxwell says that he's all clear, is going to assuage those concerns at this point.

1:00:17Like basically the ship has sailed and probably politically their best move is to just try to stop talking about it and try to change the subject. Oh, absolutely. And then they already apparently believe that it's, you know, it's it's, quote, dying down. I would not. This is where I really believe Republicans have a Twitter problem. because it used to be the left had a Twitter problem, right? It was the echo chamber, and people thought that that was representative. I now think the opposite, where people spend way too much time on Twitter, which is, I mean, the algorithm and everything, MAGA, because that obviously dominates, on the platform.

1:00:49It's like, spend some time on some of the other social media platforms, all right? Go type in Epstein on YouTube, which is way bigger than Twitter and used by billions of people. I can even show our—I look at our demographics. A lot of the people who watch those videos, they're not foreigners. They're Americans, so I know that they're citizens at the very least. And guess what? There's a lot of interest in the story. Not from me, not just from us, all over the internet, from Alex Jones to Coffeezilla to anybody else. I mean, my episode with Tucker Carlson, the only person who's beat me recently is Candace, apparently.

1:01:21So, you know, can't compete with Reggie McCracken. You've got to do a transvestigation. Yeah, I've got to do a transvestigation. But I'm just saying, you know, if you look at the number of views and other things for people who are informed and are skeptical on the case, I'm talking literally millions, tens of millions if you count up just over the last couple of weeks. They recognized that in the election as supposedly powerful and all of that. But now they think it's dying down because they're MAGA activists or whatever on Twitter and aren't talking about it. Listen, guys, that is not even one iota representative of reality.

1:01:52I don't know if they even really believe that either though because, I mean, to me the fact – I know you and Ryan did a great job covering like the gerrymandering story. Yeah. That represents a freak out of like, oh, shit, we're going to lose. Like we're going to lose, yeah. And the Democrats are going to have some subpoena power and we could be hosed. Like this could be actually bad for us because I don't think Trump like really cares about Republican control outside of how it like directly personally impacts him. But with this story and with Democrats like Ro Khanna and others smelling blood in the water, yeah, this could be a real problem for him.

1:02:26So to me, that was them pulling the fire alarm of like, oh, shit, how can we rig this election so that we don't end up with Democratic with a large Democratic majority that can basically do whatever they want, you know, in terms of like subpoena power investigations, et cetera, after the midterms. So I think they, on some level, do recognize that they're in big trouble with this. And another thing it assumes is that there are no more revelations, which is a big assumption because the media also smells blood in the water. And you may have whistleblowers inside of the federal government who are not too happy about the cover-up that's being effectuated.

1:03:06You never know what's going to come out of the woodwork. So if you're assuming there are going to be no more revelations, we've got this under control. And then the other big question is, what do they ultimately do with Ghislaine? Because if they give her a pardon, I mean, that is so disgusting. I just can't even. It's so disgusting. This is a horrific person. The fact even that she got this move to club fed in Texas is disgusting. And apparently we could put B6 up on the screen here. NBC News saw some message from an ex-BOP official who said that this move to this cushy prison camp is a, quote, travesty of justice.

1:03:42One person wrote on the Bureau of Persons staff and retirees Facebook page, quote, as a retired BOP employee, this makes me sick. Since when are sex offenders allowed at the camp? Another wrote, I don't care who she snitched on. She is a damned human trafficker. In the private Facebook group, a member who identified themselves as a staffer at the Florida facility where Maxwell had been held said they weren't going to miss her. However, quote, glad to be rid of her. She is an absolute pain in the ass. But this is their what they're pointing to here is sex offenders are not supposed to be. Yeah.

1:04:15At all. Federal prison camps. Federal prison camps where it's I mean, listen, I'm sure being in prison sucks even at the nice prison. But it's a much better deal. You can roam around the grounds. There's not like the giant, you know, the barbed wire fences like a lower fence. It's also much less secure. So if she wants to get out or someone wants to get at her, she's much more vulnerable and exposed. There's a lot more programs available. There's a lot more sort of autonomy that's offered. Elizabeth Holmes is there. I mean, this is like where, you know, it's the type of place Martha Stewart would be sent to.

1:04:47You know, white collar type of criminals. That's who's typically there. Sex offenders are not supposed to be there. So I think the other possible political fallout is if Trump continues to cater to Ghislaine Maxwell and cater to her desire to get out of any prison at all, there will be political fallout from that as well, because no one is buying that she's just exonerating him and there's nothing to see here. If he lets her out, if he gives her a pardon or the government drops their, you know, opposition to her appeal at the Supreme Court and she is set free, everyone is going to conclude from that it's because she had the goods on him and he had to cut a deal to make sure that she stayed quiet.

1:05:31So, you know, I think if if they are deluding themselves to believe that this is over, this is quieted down, that they've handled it. Yeah, it's not at the sort of existential fervor that it felt for a moment, but that could change on a dime like that. Yeah, I totally agree. 16 years ago, I started working as a CNA in the hospital. I loved it. On the day I decided to enroll in the nursing program at Rasmussen University, it was afternoon, my 35th birthday. I was hanging out with a friend and they had just questioned me what I was going to do with this next chapter of my life. I immediately had said, I want to go to nursing school.

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