9/15/25: Gov Says Kirk Assassin 'Leftist', Knives Out For Kash Patel, Israel Flattens Gaza & MORE

25:43These techs are trained to help spot issues early and give you a ride and easy. Valvoline Instant Oil Change. Change wisely. Let's get to Kash Patel. Kash Patel, the FBI director, honestly, just be clowning himself in this investigation from the very beginning, especially in the press conference after Tyler Robinson was turned into authorities, basically making it seem as if it was law enforcement who did such a good job here. when the truth is, is that they released some pictures and the guy's father convinced him to turn him in. They didn't have a, as of the night before, Utah authorities told media, we have no idea where he is.

26:24We have no idea who he is. They had nothing, zero, nada. And yet here's how he spun it. Thank you, Governor. This is what happens when you let good cops be cops. Charlie was shot at 12.23 p.m. on Wednesday. The first FBI agents arrived on scene in 16 minutes with chiefs of police at 1239 and secured the scene. The FBI immediately launched fixed-wing assets. We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, hostage rescue teams. We also utilize these assets to go back and forth from the East Coast and here in Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will be analyzed and is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories in Quantico and other laboratories, including the ATF.

27:10At my direction, the FBI released the first set of FBI photos of the suspect at 10 a.m. local time on 9-11. Then, shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of$100 ,000 was released at 10.45 a.m. local. Myself and Deputy Director Bongino arrived on the scene at approximately 5.30 p.m. on 9-11. The governor led a press conference last night at approximately 8 p.m., where at my direction, the FBI released a never-before-seen video of the suspect. We also released new images to the public of the suspect. And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody at 10 p.m. local time. In less than 36 hours, 33 to be precise, thanks to the full weight of the federal government and leading out with the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, The suspect was apprehended in a historic time period.

28:10The arrest is a testament to the dedication of good law enforcement being great and partnerships in law enforcement, which I've tried to highlight as my tenure as the director of the FBI. There is no better relationship for law enforcement than the FBI to partner with state and local authorities, and you've seen it here in these last few days. Lastly, to my friend Charlie Kirk, rest now, brother. We have the watch, and I'll see you in Valhalla. So there's a lot going on there. I mean, the Valhalla thing is crazy. We'll just leave that all to the side. We'll just talk purely about his claim that the FBI making it seem the deployment of fixed-wing assets.

28:54What does that even mean, fixed-wing assets? Talking here, taking credit. He's just trying to sound like he knows what the hell he's doing, basically. And then taking credit for releasing photos like every police. Like, local police do that all the time. I mean, some novel thing. He followed it up, by the way, with this. Let's put it up here on the screen. He says, quote, against all law enforcement recommendations, we demanded the video footage and enhanced stills of the suspect be released to the public. Robinson's father, who ultimately turned him into authorities, told law enforcement he recognized his son in that released video.

29:25So, again, literally trying to take credit at this point for the capture of Tyler Robinson. Well, actually, no, not capture. That's the wrong word. for the, what is it, for Tyler Robinson being identified by his family walked into local police. It's one of those where it's preposterous, the idea that the law enforcement had really anything to do with this other than the routine release of images and making it seem like he stood up to law enforcement. I'm not sure I believe that. And if that's true, then that's more of an indictment of local Utah authorities. But broadly, what you guys saw there, and let's recap all of the mistakes that he made from the very beginning.

30:04Number one, in the initial hours after the assassination of Charlie Kirk, he says a subject is in custody, meaning for most people, for the layman, they're like, oh, okay. So they got him. Great. It's the end of the night. And then he follows it up. The subject has now been released. We're looking for a different person. No, he didn't even say that. He said the subject has now been released. The manhunter, whatever, continues. And so it was twice basically that they claimed and then had to retract that they had people who were in custody and basically telegraphing to folks, oh, it's all been wrapped up.

30:39It's in the bag. Don't worry about it. When in both cases, it fell apart completely. And then from that point in that one day up to the turning in of Tyler Robinson, they had nothing. Because if you watch that press conference the day before, we were all on together. And I was also talking with some law enforcement friends. I said, guys, they're offering a$100 ,000 reward. They're releasing these enhanced stills and these images, they don't have shit. And they were like, yeah, they have nothing. Their only reason they're doing all this is to hope and pray, just like in the Luigi case, that somebody's like, hey, isn't that that guy?

31:13I mean, in both cases, they did not actually have any leads whatsoever. Now, look, as Ryan said on our stream, in a lot of times, that's how cases get solved. Okay. But But that's not credit to the allegedly crazy investigation that they did where they were like, oh, we've turned DNA and shoe prints and see if he left behind all of this. No, here's the truth. Tyler Robinson shot Charlie allegedly. OK, he's not convicted. It was able to drive there, park, get out of his vehicle, walk past multiple ring door cameras, get on top of a rooftop, which apparently may have cased out beforehand, according to some reports, lay in the prone, shoot Charlie Kirk, disassemble his rifle or stick it down his pant leg, jump off of a roof, then walk again through a neighborhood, get into a car and drive 200 miles back to southern Utah.

32:06and they did not have anything about it. They were only able to confirm afterwards when they were like, yeah, we went back and checked those cameras and his car was shown going back and forth. Maybe they would have caught him eventually because they're going through and looking at all the plates and to see who came in and who came out. And of course, him being turned in by his father accelerated that. But that could have been, I mean, that takes months. How many cars are going up and down the highway? Thousands, there were 3 ,000 people in the crowd. They had zero going into this. They misled the public, telling people basically that, oh, we had the person.

32:43So the handling of the investigation, there's just no getting around it. It was a disaster. Yeah. And people are beginning to acknowledge that. And not only that, I mean, if he was more, if Tyler Robinson had been more sophisticated, he could have easily been out of the country. I mean, he could have fled the country and they still would have been spinning their wheels, having no idea where he was or what happened. Salt Lake City, Utah is 45 minutes away from that happened, you know? Yeah. Salt Lake City Airport. You can fly anywhere in the world from Salt Lake. You can literally hop a connecting flight to LAX.

33:08You're gone. You can be in Singapore. Like, you're done. Exactly right. Exactly right. And then, and there were, I mean, there's more questions too. I mean, he had just recently fired the head of the Salt Lake City FBI field office, who was apparently widely respected. We don't know why that person was fired. But in any case, I'm sure that didn't assist, help in the investigation that they just had their head of that office axed. And then, you know, you've had these politicized selective leaks, some of which turned out to be inaccurate. You also had I mean, we were watching one of the press conferences when they still had the dude that they ended up releasing in custody in between law enforcement and the politicians were listening to them.

33:46And we can't even figure out because we're on the phone together trying to plan a show. We couldn't even figure out whether they actually had someone or not or the manhunt continued or what was going on. Then there are also reports that they delayed by, remember, there was supposed to be a press conference in the afternoon. And we got this message from the FBI, oh, because of rapid development. We're going to propose the press conference. They had nothing, nothing. They were waiting for Cash to get there so he could just stand there and do absolutely nothing and say absolutely nothing in that press conference.

34:17So that is part of why I think, you know, everyone is just waiting to see what more evidence they can offer. Because here's the other thing, Sagar. Some of the stuff is a little perplexing. Some of the timeline they've laid out is a little perplexing. I'll give you two specific examples, OK? One having to do with his outfits and one having to do with the gun. OK, so the according to, I believe, Governor Cox, he says that Tyler arrived wearing a maroon shirt and light colored shorts. He then changed outfits while he was on the roof. That's according to Governor Cox. But then we see on the doorbell cameras when Tyler is limping in with the gun, presumably down his pants.

35:03he's wearing the same outfit that they show in the stairwell videos that we also see him in when he's jumping off the roof so we've never seen this maroon shirt light colored shorts outfit so so we're supposed to think so apparently he was wearing the all black outfit to walk to the school then changes and then changes again like there's that piece is a little odd and then the gun part is also very odd. So in the doorbell camera, he presumably again has it down his pants because he's walking with this limp. Then in the stairwell photos that come out, there's no limp and he has a backpack. So presumably he disassembled the weapon, put it in his backpack, then goes up to the roof, reassembles the weapon, murders Charlie Kirk.

35:54And then in the jumping off the roof video, it appears it's back in his backpack, so presumably disassembled again, but then they find it fully assembled in the woods. So he had it assembled, then he disassembles it to walk up the stairwell, go to the roof, then he assembles it on the roof, then disassembles it for his backpack, then he assembles it to leave it in the woods? Why? Why would you do that? So there's just a lot of the timeline and the facts that still need to be laid out here for it to all sort of meld together and really fully make sense. Right now, I'm not a conspiracy. I'm still a gross incompetence considering what we've seen here.

36:35That is the most likely explanation, no doubt about it. Listen, my antenna is there, and you're exactly right. We're going to cover a lot of this tomorrow as well because there's still quite a few questions surrounding the circumstances of Charlie Kirk's assassination. Let's go and put this up here on the screen just to show you that in Washington, things not looking so good for Mr. Cash Patel. Well, knives are out for the embattled FBI Director Kash Patel despite Trump's support. Quote, quote, Patel sought meeting with Trump following blunders as his new co-deputy begins work next week. This is after several prominent allies of the administration are absolutely done with Kash Patel.

37:13Let's put the next one up on the screen. Including potentially Susie Wiles, who we know is very influential. The White House chief of staff. That's right. So here's Christopher Rufo, a prominent conservative activist. He says, quote, I'm grateful Utah authorities have captured the suspect in Charlie Kirk's assassination. Think it's time for Republicans to assess whether Kash Patel is the right man to run the FBI. He performed terribly in the last few days. It's not clear whether he has the operational expertise to investigate, infiltrate, and disrupt the violent movements of whatever ideology that threatened the United States.

37:43And this fits also with Steve Bannon, who absolutely has been trashing the FBI's release of information and their overall conduct. Let's take a listen. They have to get ahead of it. You have to get ahead with facts and information. The doorbell cam, and maybe that's not accurate, but the doorbell cam showed the guy walking up like a peg leg because he had the gun in the jeans. And that was 1149. They said he entered at 1153, but the picture they had, 1153, had no – he was walking like a normal human being. And they have not gone to the doorbell. They have not gone to this doorbell thing at all.

38:22Maybe that's not right. Maybe that's not accurate. Maybe it's wrong. Maybe that picture is wrong. Maybe that didn't happen in that neighborhood that's right next to the university. Maybe, but I don't know. You don't know. It's out there. Why is there not a briefing today? Why did they sit there and the governor pull the thing? The governor said, no, is anybody going to be more arrested? No, there's nobody else. Well, first off, the rumor, everybody on the Discord chat, which they said is evidence, is an accessory to this murder. But Discord, which is a company with liabilities responsibility, they came out and said, you're wrong.

38:58There's no chat like that. Now, maybe they're lying. I don't know. I would find it unusual that a company would be that bold to say none of that happened and you're wrong. Why is there not a briefing today? I don't know why cash flew out there, you know, thousands of miles to give us, hey, working partnerships and our great partnership in Utah. OK, I got that. No offense to the law enforcement guys in the future. This the public assumes that you're working together as partnerships. There's certain assumptions when you walk to the microphone of information. We don't need time and time and time again.

39:33And I tell my team, when these press conferences are scheduled, I don't know if I need to be for the first 10 minutes because it's just going to be some all-group thing about how great we are. He's exactly right there. And the Discord piece also remains one of the craziest things that's happening. Let's put this up here on the screen, please. So Discord – look, as Steve Bannon said – by the way, this is not the first time that Discord has been implicated in some sort of murder or event, all right? And we should have a separate kind of conversation about that. But the point remains that this is a company which runs huge amounts of chats, discords, et cetera, for these subgroup communities to be able to live chat with each other.

40:10And they came out and they were like, listen, what you just said in that press conference is not accurate. It directly contradicted. They said the tech company said that they who they alleged that he used discord to plan his murder, denied that version of events completely. They say he did have an account, but he did not use it to plan the Wednesday afternoon Utah Valley University murder that directly contradicted the initial statement by Utah Governor Spencer Cox. Now, look, it is potentially possible that they got it confused. And initially, remember, they said they talked about the doppelganger thing that was on Discord.

40:46And they may have said, but, you know, words matter. Also, one of the reasons, guys, that this all matters a lot, Tyler Robinson is alive. He's not prosecuting. He's not cooperating with federal authorities. All of this can be used by his defense at trial. Let's really keep that in mind. This stuff really matters. In the initial investigation afterwards, I saw some law enforcement talking about what you were saying with the description. They were like, hey, the description here initially that went out on the radio is not consistent with some of the things they've said later. This really matters because the radio call is going to be used at trial to potentially say reasonable doubt.

41:26Now, look, I mean, I don't think we're going to go down that road necessarily. There's a decent amount of evidence against him, but technicalities and all that stuff matter a hell of a lot. Here's what Discord said specifically. The content of these messages included messages, or sorry, the governor said, included affiliated with the contact, stated a need to retrieve the rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle in the bush, messages relating to visually watching the area where the rifle was left, and a message referring to having the rifle wrapped in a towel. It's unclear if those alleged messages were sent before or after the shooting.

41:56But a Discord spokesperson pushed back, telling the Post there was no evidence that he planned the shooting on the platform. The messages referenced in recent reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages, the spokesperson said. They were communications between the suspect's roommate and a friend after the shooting where the roommate recounted the contents of a note that the suspect had left elsewhere. So again, it's potentially that they got it confused, but it's also, it's weird. And it fits with all of this. And yeah, if you're Tyler Robinson and you're not cooperating and you're a lawyer worth your salt, what do you think you're going to do at trial?

42:31You'd be an idiot not to. Yeah. If you want to know really like how this works, just watch the O.J. Simpson documentaries about how they were. I mean, O.J. Simpson obviously murdered Nicole Brown. Yes. Right. And they were able to get him off because of this kind of bullshit where it's like, oh, well, you didn't follow protocol here. And they could they you know, he had excellent lawyers and he was they were able to create just enough of doubt. And, well, this person, you know, is not trustworthy because they're on camera saying the most virulently racist things you can imagine. And then that was the person who was handling some of the key evidence.

43:06And, by the way, when you guys were collecting the evidence, you didn't follow protocol in terms of making sure that things weren't contaminated. And bit by bit by bit, they tore apart the government's case and they were able to get him off. So, yes, if the official narrative is 100 % correct, the fact that you have these discrepancies and complete sloppiness in the statements is going to be a challenge for them at trial if it comes to that. And the Discord part is the most, the biggest red flag. Because they said in no uncertain terms, they said specific messages on Discord. And Discord is now coming out saying, that did not happen.

43:49That did not happen on our platform whatsoever. And so, yeah, then why did you say that it did? Were you just confused it was in this note? Because Steve Bannon is correct, too, that if he was genuinely planning this thing on Discord with other people in that server, on that server, in that chat, taking this in, they would be interviewed. There's a possibility that they could be an accessory, all those sorts of things. So, yeah, just absolutely. The best we can say is sloppy incompetence, just an absolute shambles of an investigation thus far. And then to have the gall to come out and act like, oh, you were so heroic.

44:30And this was such a historic manhunt. When you just got so lucky that this guy basically went home and confessed to his dad. And his dad was buddies with the youth pastor who was like a U.S. marshal. You got so lucky in this thing because a more sophisticated person would have been, you know, half a world away by the time they got their act together. New comment, Kash Patel confronted by a reporter on his tweet during the Manhattan. Could I have worded it a little bit better in the heat of the moment? Sure. Do I regret putting it out? Absolutely not. By the way, where was he when he tweeted that out?

45:03He was out at a fancy dinner. Yes, NBC News reporting Kash Patel was at Rouse. If you don't know what Rouse, I've never been to Rouse, just to be very clear. I'm aware of what it is. It's like one of those influencer places where it's like, what is it, Cipriani or something like that. There's like four, even though Manhattan has the best food in the world, in my opinion, just my personal opinion, has some of the best food in the entire world. There's like four restaurants that the super elite all go to. I've never been to any of them. My friends tell me that they're not even particularly good.

45:33And he was exactly at one of those CNBC places called Rouse, which is some famous, whatever, I don't want to get into it, something about meatballs. But my point is just that that's who Kash Patel is. Almost certainly using and leveraging his government influence to get a reservation at Rouse. Allegedly, it was open for him before the tables are even open for everybody else. Must be nice to be the FBI director. And that's where he was when he put it out there, according to his own detail, who obviously are the ones who leaked it. So it's crazy. It's totally crazy. and the knives are out for him.

46:04And honestly, at this point, I think he needs to be fired. I just think it's so ridiculous. Don't put podcasters and influencers in charge of things that matter, guys. Well, okay. And if you're going to, let's sit with their pitch. The FBI is deeply corrupt. It's deeply corrupt. And that means that you need outsiders. I'm sympathetic to that message. What we're going to do is I know where the bodies are buried. We're going to do Epstein. We're going to do Deep State. And we are going to ruthlessly turn the FBI back into what it's supposed to be, get people out of Washington, and we're going to prosecute criminals.

46:37Not any of that has happened. Literally not any of that has happened. So it's not just rank incompetence about your own personal background. It's actually worse because you ran as an indictment of the system itself. And it turns out, honestly, if we're all being honest, I hate James Comey, okay? He probably would have done a better job at this. If you can't admit that, I don't know what's wrong with you. So there you go. All right, let's get to cancel culture, shall we?

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48:34So in the wake of the killing of Charlie Kirk, there have been recriminations coming from the right, finding anyone on social media who posted anything that they didn't like about Charlie Kirk or didn't express in their view the proper sentiments surrounding his murder. This is happening a number of levels. There's like a organic sort of right-wing cultural effort to find these and put them in a database and contact their employers, et cetera. And there also is increasingly, it looks like, a coming crackdown coming from the federal government. Let me go ahead and start with Senator Katie Britt, who says in one breath that, you know, Charlie Kirk was assassinated because he was such a, in part because he was such a beacon of free speech.

49:16and in the next breath talks about how if you're not expressing the proper sentiments, you should be held accountable, you should be fired, etc. Let's go ahead and take a listen to that. The rhetoric that led us to this moment, calling President Trump a fascist, calling him Hitler, you had news organizations and mainstream media celebrating that, allowing those things to take place and be said on their networks. That is dangerous. When you look at that, when you look at where we are, when you look at how we got here, Now, people that are celebrating Charlie's murder, celebrating a political assassination, that should never happen in the United States of America.

49:55And Maria, we must do more. We must stand firm. And there must be consequences with regards to people spewing that type of hate and celebration in the face of this. And I believe that there will be. And I certainly plan to hold them accountable. So if you are out there and you are celebrating the political assassination of a man who was exercising his free speech, a very foundational element, a cornerstone of who we are as the United States of America. You should be held accountable. You should be fired. And that is the beginning and the end of it. Full stop. And we're going to show you some of the specifics of the posts that they find objectionable.

50:33You know, some of them, in my opinion, like I strongly disagree with. I obviously condemn political violence. We've been very clear about our position on that on this show. Some of them are actually literally just reposting some of Charlie's more inflammatory quotes. Some of them are saying it's wrong that he got shot, but I'm not going to mourn his death because he was a hateful person. I disagree with his political ideology. So those are the types of posts that they're coming after. And we're not talking about either from public figures. You know, every mainstream Democrat I know of has condemned the killing of Charlie Kirk.

51:04We're talking about random like teachers, professors, whoever out there in the world. And Sagar, you know, I don't even think they really care that much about the hypocrisy burn that's like in evidence in that clip. Because I think the sense is, and you can tell me if, you know, if I'm wrong, off on this. The sense is like, y 'all did this to us and now we're just going to do it right back. That's part of it. That's certainly part of it, which I think we could all sympathize with if you've been victim or something, been attacked by it. I think there's also, I want to say this as well. The overwhelming thing I have heard from a lot of my more right-wing friends is I feel like Charlie and I were not that far apart.

51:43You know, everyone is like, oh, I disagreed with me on this. So to watch people celebrate his death, and let's be honest, there are extremely viral posts of people who are doing that. It's a free country. You're allowed to. I want to be very, very clear. But to watch that at an organic societal level is deeply wounding at one and also makes you personally afraid and potentially facing retribution. I think those are legitimate feelings. So first I want to like validate that. I think it's scary. I mean, you know, for me, Charlie and I, look, we disagreed certainly probably the most on Israel. But like we weren't that far apart on a lot of stuff.

52:19And that's kind of what I was talking about earlier in our A block where it's like, okay, we're just memes now. Like humans are memes. And apparently, you know, if somebody gunned me down in cold blood, somebody would probably find a video of me on BOM or trans and be like, fuck him. And that's, you know, look, I got to be honest. I have to sit with that for a while and just be like, wow, OK, that's that's a thing. Can I echo what you're saying there? Because obviously, Charlie and I were different on almost every issue. but um yeah you're like there are also people out there who think i am like hateful and horrible and evil for a variety of reasons as well and um i you know have no doubt that that that would be the case for me too and you know um we'll talk more about the the israel peace tomorrow but it's also the case that even as charlie kirk and i are as different as we could possibly be politically ideologically, it's also the case that there were some shared enemies.

53:18There were some shared. So I totally get why it, I find a deep, I mean, I find it shocking and deeply unsettling and horrifying. And I think, which is why, you know, I think if you are on the political left and you think it's in any way good that he was murdered, like, I don't know what you're thinking. This is not any sort of benefit to your political project, if that's what you're measuring this on. And I, part of this block is we're, we are going to see very swiftly, and Stephen Miller is already signaling it, Donald Trump is also signaling it, we are going to see this used as a justification for further crackdowns on left-wing organizations, left-wing speech.

54:00Certainly pro-Palestine sentiment has already been in the crosshairs. That's going to be amped up. This will be used as justification for further crackdowns. Yeah, but then let's get to the social question. And actually, this is a very, it's funny. I think I came out of the woke era and said, I'm against cancel culture in all forms. But actually more recently, we were all having a discussion. I remember, I think it was about the Jubilee fascist guy. And you were like, yeah, he should be fired. And I was like, yeah, you know, maybe he should. And so then I'm like, okay, do we all believe in cancel culture?

54:31And then in a certain extent, yes. And if I think about the movements that I have been the most critical of, BLM and Me Too. Well, nobody who's critical of Me Too says Harvey, okay, well, maybe some people, says Harvey Weinstein, outside of Candace and a few others, nobody's like, Harvey Weinstein's innocent and he didn't do anything wrong. You can critique the legal case, but at the very least at a social moral level, we're like, yeah, Harvey Weinstein, fuck him. Matt Lauer, fuck him. Who else is in the OG Me Too? I'm trying to think of a few other names. Like those people, but then, you know, Me Too, the criticism, which I think is fair, is it quickly descended from Harvey Weinstein to Aziz Ansari.

55:14And that's crazy. And so to the extent that we're pushing back, it's about Aziz. Same with BLM. Anybody who was like George Floyd deserved to get murdered, yeah. I think we would all justly say, why is that person in polite society? Now anybody who says, I don't think there's people violent rioting and looting and defunding the police is stupid, if that person loses their job, I think we should say that's bad. So that's where I am here with this Charlie Kirk thing. And maybe that's hypocritical. It may be, to be honest, because it's actually our conversations about that fascist griper or whatever who was on Jubilee and got fired.

55:49And I'm like, yeah, you know, maybe he should be fired. And so it's one of those where - Apparently, by the way, he'd been fired before. Okay, but whatever. Yeah, intellectual points, Dan. If somebody, I saw a video of a guy who hung a swastika flag outside of his house. And I'm like, yeah, you know, if I'm his neighbor, I'm gonna be like, hey man, fuck you. You know, it's one of those where you hung a Nazi flag outside of that and I'm not going to, you know, you have the, I would go to court to defend his right to do so and I would also say, go fuck yourself. And so that's kind of where I am at now with this Charlie Kirk thing where I think it's becoming way too far already and the witch hunt is ongoing.

56:22But also, if you're in, if you're a teacher and you're out there and you're saying he deserved to die, I'm sorry, like you should not be teaching children. If you're an airline pilot and you're saying he should deserve to die, you should not be in charge of flying 300 people around. You literally have a responsibility to all of these people in the background. And if you just don't care about their personal death, if you are not even just pretending for responsibility, teacher, professor, social worker, et cetera. I mean, last time I checked, social work is about empathy. Like what, half the people who are coming in for mental illness are all just left wing?

56:52No, you have to be able to have some sort of relations. You know, so my point around cancel culture, or shall we now call it consequence culture, to borrow the initiative. Here's the thing. The leftists were correct in one form is that we do need guardrails on polite society for employment. And I actually think everybody at this point does kind of agree. The fight should be around the boundary and the fight should all, first of all, we need to keep the government out of it. And so to that extent, it's ridiculous. But we absolutely need to look at it very specifically and have a real convo about what does this mean?

57:28We literally, and as the meme says, we live in a society. And so for me, for a lot of my conservative friends and others, I mean, I got an email from a great friend of mine. I don't think he would mind me saying this. And he's like, you know, I walk around and I look at a barista or something and I know they don't want to kill me. But it's one of those where I have to wonder, like, would they cheer my death? That's really scary, I think, for a lot of people. And I would transpose it onto how the mass hysteria, again, over BLM or Me Too or any of these other mass cancellations things where it very quickly went from legitimate issue, we have to have a national conversation, which we did.

58:07I think it's fair, to just full on mass hysteria. People who are like, hey, I think rioting and looting are bad, are getting fired. People are getting censored, you know, all that. That was nuts. It was totally nuts. And I said so, you know, at the time. But that's the issue is that it's very obvious that it very quickly descends from legitimate to not illegitimate, but much more on the edge, right? And that is the cultural problem of all political movements is that they take something which is legitimate and then it turns into a mass hysteria, power grab. And unfortunately now left – look, we all know now watching the government over the last decade or so, nobody has any principles around this stuff.

58:48Okay? It's all just a thing about a race to the bottom. And actually I find that the most distressing because, you know, Charlie, I wouldn't – I don't know his own personal feelings. I have never talked to him about this. I have a general suspicion he would be against most cancel culture. I mean, this was a person who I do think believed in free speech and or, you know, at the very least, if confronted with this set of circumstances, has called for grace for people in the past who have even said terrible and objectionable things, hired some of them as well and gave a second chance. I tend to suspect that if confronted with it and asked in a one-on-one, I don't think he would be OK with it.

59:28But at the same time, and I'm talking about the edge cases here, but at the same time, I don't know. How can we expect to live with people in positions of power who do hold these, like, thoughts and are able to express them publicly while holding their job? That's a genuine question I don't know. And that's a social media question, too. Yeah. To me. Well, I think the cultural—I think you raised some really interesting points. And here's where you're correct. The culture—first of all, we're going to get to the government piece. I think we'll be in complete alignment. that government coming in and saying you can't do this, you can't say you must mourn Charlie Kirk, and if you don't mourn him appropriately, we're going to take your passport, or we're going to infiltrate left-wing groups, all of that we're going to be completely opposed to.

1:00:12And that stuff is being floated right now by Stephen Miller and Donald Trump. I don't know if you saw, he shared some TikTok calling for a Charlie Kirk-inspired, effectively, Ministry of Truth to crack down on media organizations, and I know we're going to be opposed to that across the board. Absolutely. The cultural piece is, you're right, it is more complex. And here's why. Because I do think that we need some level of shame in society. Because now people feel comfortable, like, you know, to go back to, like, some of the things I pose on the right wing in your fascist droper example. Like, people feel comfortable posting just overt Nazi shit on Maine.

1:00:50Yeah, that's right. And feel like there will be no consequences for that. And I don't think that that is healthy in a society. I agree. And especially when you have an intersection with what their job actually is. So, for example, if you are a teacher and you have a classroom of diverse students. A taxpayer-funded teacher, too, especially. And you have a classroom full of diverse students, white, black, brown, all sorts of class, socioeconomic, whatever. and you're out there posting overtly racist or Nazi content, that is directly impacting your ability to do your job. And so for me, those are the most sort of like clear-cut examples where it's like, yeah, you can't continue to employ that person.

1:01:38Just to add some context to, you know, what we're talking about here with these posts. So there's a large-scale effort, but organic as far as we know, effort for people to be able to effectively find these social media posts, submit them to a database. And they've allegedly got thousands of instances of, again, we're not talking about politicians. We're talking about random people throughout the country saying things they find objectionable. Now, that original database, which what was the original URL? It was like Charlie Kirk's murders or something like that, where they were actively seeking these submissions, has now been taken down.

1:02:17They've changed it to like the Charlie Kirk Data Foundation and they're framing their mission differently because I think they probably got some concerns from legal advice that, hey, this could actively be defamation. This could really be a lawsuit if you continue in this direction. But that's the effort we're talking about.

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1:04:07Let's go ahead and put up some of the examples of the types of posts that are being flagged and people having like, they're, you know, being put on blast. And I don't know if it's appropriate to call it doxing necessarily, but put on blast. It's not doxing if you put your name to it. You're right. Put on blast and having their employers called in this like mass organic effort. So here's some of them. You've got, these are some of the kind of like more objectionable ones that we found. I don't get why everyone is posting to pray for him. This was worth it for people to have guns. He said it himself, pray for his kids, not for him.

1:04:42Actually, how about people pray for all the innocent children whose lives were unfortunately worth it when they died in school shootings so people can have their guns instead of these kids having their lives. I'm not happy he died, just pointing out karma. Another one, F around and find out his entire brand was hate and violence. You attract what you preach. His last words were gang violence, trying to Penn stuff on black people. Save your breath for the kiddos killed in Colorado yesterday. I'm cheering for the assassination. I don't mind saying it. He was a bastard, deserves to be amongst the dead, should have been tortured.

1:05:08You can't force people to mourn someone who hated us no matter how he died. It's okay to be happy when someone who hated you and called for your people's death dies, even if they are murdered. Call me old fashioned. I remember when we used to be okay with shooting Nazis. Let's put the next one up on the screen. These are the edge cases. Yeah, and honestly, to me, some of the other ones are, I'm not saying I agree, but, you know, if you're saying I'm not happy that he died, but, you know, he was a hateful person, I don't know. To me, that's reasonable speech. Look, and that's the thing about reasonable speech is that is, and this is a difference from free speech, First Amendment, and also polite society.

1:05:48I think the clearest example we had there was I'm cheering for assassins. Yeah, right. That to me is like, okay, I can see why if you're an employer, you know, that you would look at that and be like. I'm not going to say their name. It was a nurse, right? As a nurse, especially, let's say you are, this is a nurse in a hospital and presumably let's say you work in the ER or something like that. I mean, you know, to be honest, I'm going to be crazy if I didn't admit this. When my child was in the NICU, I'm sitting there being like, look, you know, what if some of these people know who I am? Would they treat me differently?

1:06:17I pray, no, I don't think so. The vast majority, Actually, every single person I interacted in the hospital with was overwhelmingly kind, didn't say anything or any of that. And I think that is most people in the healthcare profession. But if you have somebody like this in the healthcare profession and you have somebody who comes in with a MAGA hat on or something like that, we don't discriminate care. That's one of the most basics of healthcare. So, yeah, like I'm sorry you can't be employed, right? And even in some of the cases of saying, like, I'm happy he died, I'm like, well, actually, like, it's one of those where I don't really think that's acceptable for people who are in positions where they have to interact with the general public.

1:06:57I also come back to this point about social media where, you know, I'm not sure if you know, but, you know, sociologically, if you read about this, after the Kennedy assassination, a lot of people actually hated Kennedy and were okay with it. Some people, there's stories of people in bars who were cheering after he was killed. Like, this was a thing. Now, in general, though, those people didn't face a cancellation or whatever. They did internally in their social group, but they weren't getting fired. You know why? Because they're not out. There's no media to go out there and say, yeah, I'm so happy he's dead.

1:07:26What compels a person to do that? You know, and it's one of those where that's a sickness. There also weren't mass efforts, though, to go and find those people in the bars. There definitely would have been. And put them, you know, put them on black, call their employers, whatever. Put B3 back up on the screen. or before, sorry, back up on the screen so we can get some of the other examples here. Okay, this one on the left, literally just quoting him. Right. Just quoting him. How, I mean, his own words. I saw someone say online, like, if I die or I'm killed, like, please put my words out there.

1:08:00Like, I'm proud of the things I said. I stand by them. So to act like it's, like, offensive to put up his quotes, I think is crazy. The next one says, let's go ahead and wrap this Charlie Kirk situation up in the next 48 hours. his killing was crazy to see. Wish that wasn't so easily accessible on my timeline. I definitely don't condone that violence. Shifting gears, y 'all really try to paint this picture. He was this noble man trying to bridge America together is diabolical. This man was clearly racist, homophobic, sexist. Google, YouTube, and X are free. His ideology and his words were extremely dangerous.

1:08:30And the fact the American flag is being flown at half staff is crazy work. I said what I said. I'm not going back and forth with nobody. Argue with your mama, not me. And then I tried to hold my tongue, but I generally do not know how any person could be saying Charlie Kirk was a good man. Of course, it's awful he was shot. So were more children at a school in Colorado yesterday, yet most of you haven't said a thing about that or any of the other 45 school shootings this year, someone who didn't believe in. Here's the thing for me is like, I find the demand that people feel a certain way about his death to be really oppressive.

1:09:05You know, that like the demand that everyone mourn and feel remorse and feel a certain way and express that feeling in an appropriate way, I think that that is extremely oppressive. Obviously, like I said before, and there's a bunch of these, by the way, where people are literally just quoting Charlie Kirk, especially the Second Amendment one, has gotten a lot of play, that are being targeted and some who have already been fired just literally. In fact, there was a professor who was fired for just posting that one quote. I think that's insane. I think, you know, the like expressing, we've talked before about when someone who is, and you and I will disagree about Charlie Kirk and his legacy likely, but someone who was a public political figure and they die or are killed, like you don't have any obligation to whitewash them, what they said, what their impact was, et cetera.

1:10:07You know, it's one thing if you're like at their funeral and you're trying to make them out to be an asshole. But I think it's important. I think it's actually really important for public discourse and for democratic functioning that you can talk honestly about people who have died or were killed and what they did and what they said and what their legacy was. And a lot of this is really policing the ability to actually honestly grapple with what he believed, what the impact was and what he was doing. And I really object to that. Yeah, we should. I think we should object to people who are fired over that type of conversation.

1:10:46Yeah. I think we should. And look, let's be honest, most people are not. And as I said, most of this is a power grab. A lot of people are very upset. And I do think that that probably just factors into it more than anything is the level of emotion and the general feeling for people who are involved who are like, hey, a lot of these people would cheer my own death. I mean, to be honest, that's probably been my top takeaway and I was like, oh, okay. I guess this is just how it would be. That's really sick and there's a lot of deep badness in our culture that has even led us to that. But I do think we should all also just put some baseline stuff on the table if we're all gonna be honest.

1:11:19Everyone believes in a little bit of cancel culture, like a little bit. The question - It's a question of where you draw the line. We draw the line. That is a social question. As I said here with that nurse, you gotta go. Teacher, gotta go. Social worker, you gotta go. American Airlines pilot, you got to go. If you are generally in a position, especially of responsibility, power, and if you're taxpayer-funded, it's like I felt this way about the whole trans thing in classrooms. Same thing. I'm like, oh, you think you have a right to our taxpayer dollars and to say what you want? No, absolutely not.

1:11:51And this is just generally what it broadly gets to of the question around norms for us and shame. So yeah, if you literally are an open fashion, you're like, I don't believe in democracy, and I think Hitler was good. Like, yeah, you got to go, man. Like, you can't be generally employed here just for polite society reasons. We do need some shame. If you actively say Charlie deserved what he got, I think you got to go. I really do. And I don't think that you should ever be in a position – okay, let's not say ever. At the current moment, you should not be in a position where you're especially in a position of responsibility and or generally reflective of what a company's values are.

1:12:29Now, part of the issue, as we've said as well, is that it goes into the realm of mass hysteria really quick. And so what we need to do is kind of separate those two things because, look, we're already in the race to the bottom. I already know none of this will penetrate the national conversation. It's obvious. Yeah. It's just people are out for blood. People were out for blood during Me Too and BLM. Everybody knows it. It was obvious and it was used as a political tool also to go after people's enemies to great effect. And it also led to a massive pushback. So that conversation you were talking about earlier, I forget who – I think Glenn might have written about Christopher Hitchens.

1:13:06Yeah, I was reading about it. And I said, oh, that's very interesting. I hadn't thought really about that. And look, we don't have to have a hagiography for every person who dies. It's not required. This is a free country. and you can believe in especially, probably important actually to sit down and kind of say, okay, what are the benefits, et cetera? What was this person's legacy? You could talk to your children about it. But there is a big difference also for coming out and just outwardly cheering it on. And actually I would say the sickness is not just the people who post it publicly. The anonymity is personally what gets me the most because those are the ones with hundreds of thousands of retweets and or likes and you're like, okay, like that?

1:13:51I mean, when there's no consequences potentially, people are like very willing to hit the retweet button, very willing to hit the like button. And that is the same irony and dehumanization that led to his assassination. That's the part where I really, really, I find sick because everyone's hiding behind their keyboard. People feel no way whatsoever about hitting RT on he deserved it or lol or joking about it. I mean, that's the same lameo you're gay on the bullet. It's the same mindset. I'm not equating the two whatsoever. I'm saying though that that mindset, and listen, I've been guilty of it too.

1:14:30I'll be free and admit it. I'm a human being. You know, sometimes you see a joke which is cruel as shit and you're like, that's so funny. You know what? I'm done with that. I'm done with that after this because I see it now. One thing I will say, though, is, look, I haven't I haven't done a comprehensive study of the sentiments that are being the people that are being put on blast. But, you know, when we were trying to compile some of the worst of the worst and the ones that you and I both would be like, you shouldn't be fired for that. Yeah. There were way more of the you shouldn't be fired for that.

1:15:03Well, that's why I'm comparing it to BLM and me, too. Most people are not out there being like, hey, you know, George Floyd deserved to die. OK, there there's a big difference between that and saying, oh, I don't think that violence, you know, violence and looting is justified because of a dumb MLK quote, which is out of context. Now, a lot more people got fired for the latter than for the former. Same with Me Too. A huge number of the so-quote Me Too cancellations were complete bullshit and or were ones much better left off to HR and a conversation or whatever than actually being able to be go.

1:15:36So, yes, and look, in some ways, maybe you could take that away as a good thing in that most people are not, you know, most generally most people are good. I don't think that they actively want people to die. But that's kind of why I brought it to the anonymity conversation because that's important where behind the screen, they'll hit the retweet button. He deserved to die. And that's sick. Did Elon make likes public again? Did I see that? I don't know if that's true or not. But they should be public. I think they should be public. Wait, no, for my own sake, I don't want that. You don't want that public?

1:16:05Well, I use them as bookmarks. I don't always like every, when I like something, it's not that I like the post. It's so that it can go to my likes. You can, but it's not on, if you look at your profile. Just adjust your etiquette here. Yes, but then I have to click a different page. The like page is very easy. You can't be against the anonymity and be like, I still want the likes to be private. I don't like them for, I don't like them because I want to like them. Listen, fine, make it public. All right, go. All right, my following list is public. My followers are all public. Go ahead. If you want to audit me, be my guest.

1:16:35Here's what I'll say. And then I do want to talk about the government piece because that's honestly, to me, the scariest piece is if we had a healthy culture, I would have confidence that, you know, the hysteria that it is already hysteria, like a witch hunt hysteria for sure. The people that are being tagged are just like quoted Charlie Kirk or whatever. And they're being fired and their employers are being like, it's crazy. OK, I would have more. I would feel less stressed about that if we had a healthy culture. But we don't. And so, I mean, that is the sort of thing, like you said, everyone does believe that some things are out of bounds, that you can't just like say any literally anything and not think there are going to be any consequences in your life.

1:17:16Right. Where you draw that line is a constant sort of like ebb and flow, tug of war in the culture. It shouldn't be from the government. It should come organically from the culture. As you have these cases where it's like, OK, well, that went too far. Now we're going to draw the line here. Or, you know, you know what? Maybe we shouldn't. This has gotten out of control. We need to be more whatever. But I think part of what is so unnerving is I don't think any of us have confidence that we have a healthy enough culture to draw these lines and boundaries in a place that is going to be sort of like broadly accepted.

1:17:52And the reason I especially feel like the worst about it is because I can see the American right wing doing it now. And I have no doubt whatsoever that when the Democrats are in power, that it's going to flip and it'll be the exact same. There'll be truth and reconciliation commissions. It'll be all out. Anybody who advocated immigration restriction or whatever is a Nazi. It's going to come full force back. Maybe they'll be more polite about it. But, you know, considering – again, considering the BLM environment, considering Me Too, like this is baked in, in my opinion, to like the broad like liberal industrial complex.

1:18:28It's really baked into any political power movement. Maybe the truth is that that's always been a hallmark of American political culture and power is to use – it's not just to use but like to have big tentpole events become power grabs in the last 25 years. In our initial reaction, the reason I focused so much on 9-11 – and look, I knew this was coming. From a mile away, I could see it coming. Is because – think about what it was like at that moment where they hate us for our freedoms. I mean by the way, you want to talk about real cancel culture? Like, go back and think about the Iraq War and people who spoke out of it.

1:19:02They didn't have no internet or whatever to make their own career. They were dead, gone from the culture, dead. And that is scary. And that's part of what I want to avoid more than anything. But unfortunately, and this is a segue to the government piece where you saw how quickly it went from they hate us for our freedoms and to Saddam hates us for our freedoms. I mean, that was a two-year period. And then we're invading Iraq. And, like, that's the thing I worry about. Losing civil liberties. We never got that. Exactly, with the Patriot Act. We never got that. What is it, October something, 2001 was the Patriot Act that people didn't remember famously in the Fahrenheit 9-11 documentary.

1:19:39They didn't even read it. And they rubber stamped. And I had thought, actually, that things had changed with a lot of the reaction. But I believe today that it is the exact same. I don't think anybody has learned any lessons whatsoever from the post-9-11 era. And also, inevitably, what I always caution people is if you don't act from a more principled view and you're trying to, and at the end of the day, people were elected. We elect you to take a breath and to be stewards. Like we're podcast. We can fire a take. The consequences are not that high. The consequences are very high when you're in the government.

1:20:14And that's exactly what happened after 9-11. We had a bunch of people who were like, hey, this is a pretty convenient time for a little power grab. And it never came back. And then what? Obama was elected as a rejection of that. And what happens? He turns it up on steroids. And then what happens after that? Trump comes in. He's like, hey, I got all these powers. Might as well use them. Biden never retracts any of them. Now we're on the verge of a Venezuela regime change operation under a 2001 AUMF for terrorism. Like, and allegedly. Have they even actually even announced that that's the authority that they're using?

1:20:45I mean, that's the thing is they don't even feel the need to say what authority they have. But where does that come from? That comes from the same thing. I can bomb 15 different countries and Congress has authorized it and they're neutered. So that is the road that it let us down. And really, it was really poignant to actually speak about this, the 20, 24 years after 9-11. Cause I go back every year. I reread this book called Days of Fire written by Peter Baker, the exact TikTok of everything that happened. I'm like, man, we haven't learned a damn thing.

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1:22:47This is B2 talking about his reaction and what the government will do after Charlie Kirk's killing. And let me tell you something I'm not sure with anybody. But the last message that Charlie Kirk gave to me before he joined his creator in heaven was he said that we have to dismantle and take on the radical left organizations in this country that are fomenting violence. That was the last message that he sent me before that assassin stole him from all of us. And we are going to do that under President Trump's leadership. I don't care how it could be a RICO charge, a conspiracy charge, conspiracy against the United States, insurrection.

1:23:30but we are going to do what it takes to dismantle the organizations and the entities that are fomenting riots, that are doxing, that are trying to inspire terrorism, that are committing acts of wanton violence. It has to stop. And my message is to all of the domestic terrorists in this country spreading this evil hate, you want us to live in fear? We will not live in fear, but you will live in exile because the power of law enforcement under President Trump's leadership will be used to find you, will be used to take away your money, take away your power, and if you've broken the law to take away your freedom, Sean.

1:24:06So there you go. And I mean, there's a few things here. First of all, there's the context of the Trump administration. I mean, they used big balls getting mugged to send the National Guard to Washington, D.C. The story of this administration has been using real or imagined crises to grab power. That's what they do. So I know you and I both, when this happened, we knew where this was heading and many other people did as well. So Stephen Miller just making it plain and also claiming that that was Charlie Kirk's last message to him, whether or not that's true is another matter, doesn't really matter because they're going to use it as a pretext for further crackdown.

1:24:42And then the other pieces, and this is something that Klippenstein pointed out to me, is like the technology now is so much more advanced than in the Patriot Act era. Like the level of mass surveillance and mass targeting that you can do using AI is complete. It's complete now. So you've got Palantir. I recorded a segment with her take. Actually, I don't know if this is going to air at this point because it all feels outdated now, but about somebody going on Fox News and pitching their Israeli AI threat detection, like pre-crime bullshit. These are technologies that exist now. It's part of what we talked about with regard to Doge 2 when they were in the government and the idea was they're compiling this mass database of every little thing the government knows about you.

1:25:26Think of how much that is. They know your social security. They know what you're paying in taxes. They know, you know, if you're divorced and what you're paying in child support, all it's trying to start a small business, all of those things. They have house and it's never really been possible to conglomerate all of that and cross check it with all everything you've ever posted on social media or anywhere online. Now that tech exists, right? The camera technology, AI driven camera technology with facial recognition, all of that. I mean, just describing China. Like, this is what all of that exists now in a way that it didn't previously.

1:25:58And so, you know, the maximal amount of what they want to do is now on the table. And I mentioned this before. I'll just mention it one more time. Trump is out there sharing a TikTok saying, hey, we need a Charlie Kirk effectively like Ministry of Truth law to pass so that the government has the right to go in and sort out what the media is saying and deem, whether it's fact or fiction. So again, these sort of like, you know, the worst fears that were expressed by the right during the Biden era about the way the government could be weaponized against conservative media and the way that the government could be weaponized against conservatives and, you know, deny them their basic rights.

1:26:41That is all gelling and coming to fruition under the Trump administration. And, you know, I know they're going to use, they're already announcing it, that they're going to use Charlie Kirk's murder to further those ends. One of the sad parts is a real misbelief, I think, by a lot of the right, that this is organized in the way that the weather underground is. And so, by the way, everybody keeps, one of the things that annoys me most is when people post books and they clearly have not read the book. So the book that everyone is referencing is called Days of Rage. It is one of the best books ever written in modern times, and it is a history of the 70s violence era, specifically with the weather underground, the Symbanese Liberation Army, and all these insane left-wing groups at the time who were actually bombing, right?

1:27:29Like they bombed the capital. It was crazy. And there's a separate conversation about how they all just kind of pleaded guilty and just immersed into polite society, but whatever. My point broadly about the book is if you read about it, these were actual social cells, for example, who Bill Ayers and the Boudins were together in a network planning attacks. What does the hallmark of all this violence show us? It's the opposite now. It's not just the lone wolf theory. It's that even our domestic terrorists are the people who are at home doing nothing with their lives, probably addicted to pornography based on Mr.

1:28:09Robinson's little jokes and all of that, and addicted to gaming in a Discord, sitting there. apparently, according to law enforcement, his own boyfriend or whatever doesn't even know what he's doing, drops out of college gaming all day, online. This isn't even organized to a certain extent. It's like a radicalization of the mind by the self. And that happens at the school shooter level. It's the same thing. Loser, didn't know anybody, spent a lot of time on the internet. If you look at every single one of these people, a lot of it is mental illness plus internet plus nothing going on is a recipe for disaster.

1:28:47By the way, I put drugs and porn into that too, especially if you look at the trans one, the Nazi one, addicted to weed, just saying, which of course leads to mental illness at a much higher level, schizophrenia, outbreak of violence. If you look at the profile similarly for most of these people, the amount of time these people are logging on is probably 12 to 15 hours a day. I don't think that's an exaggeration. Complete disconnect. And so there's a theory that the FBI, like in the 50s, one of the most famous FBI operations was infiltration and basically the destruction of the KKK. So what they did, again, what was the KKK at that time?

1:29:21It was people together secretly meeting, planning, organized violent attacks against people who were civil rights activists, bus and stuff. Let's think about even Malcolm X or any of that. Same thing. What was the Nation of Islam? It's an actual church. It's a religious organization. People who come together. and all of them. And even the people who allegedly killed Malcolm X, so there's a lot of questions around that, were part of that and were allegedly inspired by that. But my point is that it was in person and it was actually organized. Now we are in the opposite era. Violence is not organized.

1:29:54Broadly, most of it is online. There was this huge talk after BLM, I remember, of people who were like, who are the NGOs funding this? I'm like, guys, that's not what happened because I saw it for myself. People who I knew who were out there, you know, were rioting or whatever. It was people locked in their homes on the internet. That's it. They were just, they were mad. And they were like, oh, I've been locked in my house. Might as well just go burn some shit down. And then people who are, you know, people who are criminals use that as an opportunity to go and loot. And then it's much more of an elite conversation who I think excused all of that and basically encouraged it.

1:30:28But my point is I genuinely just don't believe that there were broad networks telling people to go riot. It doesn't work that way. I just think people were sitting at home. Everybody was, they were like, this opportunity to be together, and they went out there. Now, are there NGOs who fund that, BLM and all that? Absolutely. Don't get me wrong. And, you know, quote, going after that, I'm not even really sure what that means. But there is no theory of dismantling the lone wolf violence that we have today that doesn't involve a genuine national convo for parents and more, hopefully backed up by the state from an informational perspective of get your children off of the internet unsupervised.

1:31:06I saw, I don't know if you saw that picture of Robinson. Tyler Robinson's mother in 2013 being like, oh, here he is with his computer. He doesn't even want to talk to us anymore. It's like the Breaking Bad meme. He's this adorable little kid. He's like a little boy on the internet. And as a new parent, I'm like, oh my God. That is how quickly it happens. That is how quickly, that was 2013. 12 years later, he assassinated somebody in cold blood. And if you look at the screen time awareness conversation, People think that people are aware. No, it's an elite thing now. It's the vast majority of lower middle class and middle class people.

1:31:42They're going screen time all day long. And I don't know. I don't even know if the government can help you at this point. For me, I would mandate a national phone ban in all public schools. I don't know if that's legal. It probably isn't, but that would be my number one thing. Maybe, honestly, Chinese style laws, which shut stuff off at 8 p.m., it's not a horrible idea. We have got to think radically at this point. I, so a few things that I want to raise. First of all, just to underscore your point, what you're saying is, I think, correct, that the hallmark of those terror networks was actually connection.

1:32:15No, it was actually in person. And the hallmark of this terror is disconnection. Yes, correct. And I think that's a really, that's a very, very important distinction to make. You know, I do like the, as a parent, the other thing about the nature of the content that the Tyler Robinsons or I think the school shooter on the same day, I think his name was Desmond Kelly of the world are consuming. we're also in this in this era where the parents really they know the internet for the things they use it for whatever they're on facebook or they're emailing or they're looking at a news website or a gossip or whatever like they really don't know or understand it's like a foreign language it's totally different culture that their kids may be just may be engaging with and so you know there's just a total lack of understanding.

1:33:11We're also, we've covered too, the way now AI adds a whole other layer of that where there was that kid who killed himself. Parents go in and look at the chat GPT log. They're like, holy hell. We thought he was just asking chat GPT for like help with his homework. Meanwhile, this was like his best bud who was encouraging him towards suicide. So there's also this vast gulf between where the technology is, what type of content is online, and how the vast majority of parents actually understand the internet. And by the way, you see it too in like the FBI and law enforcement response here. They had no idea what the hell they were talking about because that's why they put out this transgender ideology on the bullets thing.

1:33:52They looked at, I don't know, like you're gay, laughing my ass off. Maybe the bulls. Maybe the bulls. And so they had no idea what they were looking at. So law enforcement doesn't understand it. Parents don't understand it. Most of society doesn't. So you've got that disconnect. You know, I'm, I don't know. In terms of what to do about it, I genuinely don't know. Because I do want to underscore again, plenty of other countries have these same things and don't have mass school shootings every other day. So there is something uniquely American about what is going on here, which is why, and I'm, you know, I'm always leery of like the civil liberties crack, so you can't do this and like blanket bans from the federal government.

1:34:35But I can't say I'd put it off the table either. Because the other thing is I see how addictive the technology is, how hard it is. My son in particular, something about boys, not to be overly gendered, but typically boys, that it's such a pull that it just blocks out the son. It blocks out everything else in their life if you let them, which is why that photo of young Tyler Robinson and they say, oh, we just got him his computer stuff. I guess we're never going to see him again is really, as a parent, is genuinely terrifying. Exactly. I'm looking at it right now. It's like heartbreaking just looking at it.

1:35:09And maybe that sounds crazy, but it's like you can watch it happen in real time, literally, how this happens. So I don't know. I mean, I think that that is the great question of our age. I'm not, you know, all of this to say like, look, what's coming is coming, and that'll obviously ignite a backlash in and of itself and court challenges and cultural conversation, et cetera. But I have no other take than as parents. If all you can do is step up, you need to step up. like now because I'm online enough to know that this shit exists, but not online enough to get overt fairy, furry references. And, you know, I'm like, but I know it exists.

1:35:46Uh, but I mean, he dressed up as like a Groyper meme for Halloween. Yeah. Well, it's not, it's not just Groyper. You're talking about the Slavic. See, I wish I didn't even know what this was Slavic squat. Yes. I know what this is. That's how online I am. And just goes to show you that even that exactly. Imagine being Jake Tapper on CNN, trying to be like, explain the Slavic squat. I'm laughing about it, but it's not funny because the vast majority of people who are that age, they can't even conceive of an internet like that, which is, I'm just on the edge. I know it exists. I get some of the references and the memes, but yeah, I'm not deep in the culture or any of that.

1:36:22And so then now I put myself, my kid is four months old, so let me put 18 years in the future. I'm at least aware enough to know I'm not going to know a goddamn thing about what's happening and because that's how rapidly all of this stuff moves. Okay, I hope it was productive. This is literally what, by the way, this is what I hope most of you guys are taking away. Don't sit at home and post stuff about, oh, I'm so happy he's assassinated or whatever or the opposite and being like, fuck those people. We need to go get them and destroy them. Sit down and talk it out because like I just said, everybody believes in a little bit of cancel culture.

1:36:55Decide in your own community or at your school or whatever and be like, how are we all going to talk about this? If you're a teacher, you should have two people talk about just the way that we did, about, well, everybody believes a little bit, and this was some of the objectionable things I found about Charlie, and the other person says, well, this is the other thing that I found, and here's kind of the way that we would like to approach it and have societal norms, because that's healthy. But this stuff, I don't know. I really have never been more black-pilled about our society, but that's a good turn to the exe.

1:37:22Fight that instinct, Sagar, because that black-pilling and nihilism is a problem. You're right. You're right. And see, that's the problem. I know I'm just as victim to the same social culture and structure that everybody else apparently is just, you know, is either loving or is just either, you know, involuntarily going down the same path.

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1:39:13There are other stories, of course, which we had on the back burner now for quite a long time. Epstein story, of course, one that we've been covering very closely. Let's put this up on the screen. We finally have accountability on the Epstein case. The problem is it's not in this country. It's in another country. This is a little consequence culture right here. This is actual consequence culture for sure, where the UK has now fired the U.S. ambassador, Peter Mandelson over his links to Jeffrey Epstein. So we talked about Lord Mandelson here on the show, Emily and I. We showed everybody the 10-page love letter, basically, that he sent to Epstein for his birthday book.

1:39:49But what got him fired is a new extraordinary release of emails. I have not had the time because of this Charlie Kirk thing to go through all this. I promise you all that I will. Let's put this up here on the screen. This is the exact email which was revealed by Bloomberg, new trove of Jeffrey Epstein emails that got him fired. Here's what the email reads back in June of 2008. I think the world of you, I feel hopeless and furious about what has happened. This is when Epstein is going to jail. Keep that in mind. I can still barely understand it. It just could not happen in Britain. You have to be incredibly resilient.

1:40:24Fight for early release. Be philosophical about it as much as you can. Everything can be turned into an opportunity that you will come through it and be stronger for it. The whole thing has been years of torture, and now you have to show the world how big a person you are and how strong. Your friends stay with you and love you. So that's what he wrote to Epstein as he's reporting to prison for his sweetheart non-prosecution agreement. He says that could never happen in Britain. I would hope it doesn't happen anywhere, including in America. And all of this comes from, let's put this on the screen.

1:40:59I just want to make everybody aware of this. I am going to go through it. Like I said, it's a massive trove of emails behind Ghislaine Maxwell. You'll be absolutely shocked, by the way, to show that Ghislaine lied through her teeth during her interview with Todd Blanche about the timeline, about her involvement, about the extent that she was recruiting and grooming. But, you know, whatever. We'll put that to the side. My main thing that we wanted to show everybody here just broadly is that there has finally been accountability in the Epstein case. It just happened to be not in our country. It happened in the U.K.

1:41:29the thing is about Mendelssohn is that he was known for his association with Epstein, but the extent of the relationship was downplayed by him for years. They were like, oh, well, yeah, we hung out and it was fine, you know, whatever. And then in the last 48 hours, basically a 48-hour period leading to his firing, the birthday book comes out, which I don't think the government knew about, a 10-page letter, including photos of him, at the island, and then the email where he explicitly is like, What's happening to you is such an injustice. I love you so much. I love you. By the way, he's fishing for more invites.

1:42:03He's like, do your plans include me at the island this evening? You're like, oh my God. And the photos that he included in the book of himself at the island with scantily clad women. I mean, it just compounds on top of each other. So yeah, we finally have a person who was fired for their connection with Epstein. It just happened to be the ambassador from another country. Yeah. Well, one of the things that came out, too, in these emails is they had a spreadsheet that itemized nearly 2 ,000 gifts, they say. Luxury items, payments totaling$1.8 million, with notations indicating they were intended for Epstein's friends, business associates, and victims.

1:42:44Spreadsheet, which was created by one of Epstein's accountants, includes a$35 ,000 watch earmarked for a former Bill Clinton aide, a$71 ,000 purchase at a Lexus dealership for one of Epstein's lawyers. Was that Dershowitz? Yes, that's right. And other items such as lingerie and chocolate, some for teenage girls who later lodged sexual abuse complaints against Epstein and Maxwell. They also say that the spreadsheet indicates Maxwell very involved in helping arrange all of these gifts and all of these luxury items. So another aspect of his effectively influenced operation comes into view here, where he was using these invites, whatever information he could gather on these individuals, you know, in order to acquire, have this circle of rich and powerful people around him.

1:43:31And part of that was the proffering of these luxury gifts to keep them all on the inside. And, you know, this dovetails, too, with the reporting from The New York Times about J.P. Morgan and why he was kept on as a client there because he had ingratiated himself to some of the executives, number one. And number two, they were openly saying to each other, hey, if all of these rich and powerful men, if they think he's okay, like who are we to judge? Even after, again, the details that come out and he was a registered sex offender and they're looking at his transactions and saying, this is all really sketchy.

1:44:06Even in spite of that, the fact that he was able to ingratiate himself with all of these people in part using these luxury gifts, they decided, oh no, but we got to keep him on. And he would bring them business broker meetings for them with people like Netanyahu, people like Elon Musk. And so they, you know, they felt, they decided to just look the other way. Yeah. It is, look, it fits with everything that we know. It also fits, by the way, as I talked about, accountability. Unfortunately, there has been now. I mean, the way that these guys are acting is a joke. The House Oversight Committee, because look, first let's give him the credit, which is fair.

1:44:40They got this stuff and they released it. Thank you. Thank you for releasing the birthday book. Now you only did it because the Dan McFish had already released the Trump page, but whatever. All right. Thank you at least for all of it. Now though, this whole, remember if you guys, this Trump signature, it seems quaint to talk about this now, even though it was like last week where Trump's white house was saying that the signature itself is fake in this one page of this book compiled back in 2003, but the rest of the book may not be fake and in fact could be accountable. And to the extent that it's a hoax, it's a hoax for people who care about it, not necessarily the page itself, although the page itself is also a hoax.

1:45:13So here is the House Oversight Committee being asked if they're going to look if it's a fake signature. Are you going to look into it? Because that would be forgery. It would be extraordinary. And here's what the House Oversight Committee chairman has to say. He did not sign it. So I take the president's word. I don't think the Oversight Committee is going to invest in looking up something 22 years ago. We're going to look. So you're just going to take the president in his word that this is not it. What does it have to do with anything? Well, if you don't care about what happened 22 years ago, then why'd you release the book in the first place, right?

1:45:43Because what does it tell us? Because it shows people's close relationship. And by the way, no one else in the book has denied that it was their signature, that they did. Everyone's just stayed quiet. Actually, no. A lot of them have confirmed it. They've said, I regret sending the message. Or they're like, well, here's what I meant by this. So just so everybody knows, all right? Bill Clinton hasn't denied it. Alan Dershowitz hasn't denied it. Leon Black hasn't denied it. His buddies haven't denied it. Nobody's like, I didn't do it. It was part of the estate. It was part of the Glaine Maxwell trial, just so everybody knows.

1:46:12It's been around floating there for a while. I will never be over some of the things that were in that book. I agree. I need to pick that story up again and still go find the kid who drew that thing. I have a lead on that, by the way, which thank you people who listen. Actually sent me some tips, and I potentially have a lead on getting in contact with that person. Last thing here on the Epstein story, we have another one here of somebody who says, I don't even want to see the book. Just so they don't have to be asked about it. Let's take a listen. Have you seen that letter? I have not, but I would love to see it matched with his handwriting.

1:46:43It just seems really, really wild. Yeah, I don't want to see it. He says, I don't want to see it after the reporter shows him the letter. He said, I'd love to see an analysis of the handwriting. And he's like, well, I have it right here. He's like, I actually don't want to see that at all. I don't want to look at it. I don't want to talk about it. Next question. What a joke. All right. Will people still care? I kind of hope so. I hope the story doesn't die. So if you're out there, you know, by the way, Charlie, he actually did care a lot about the Epstein story, just so you guys understand. He did backtrack a little bit later on, but he fought pretty hard behind the scenes from what I know for release.

1:47:16So if you do want to fold that into it, I don't think he would want you necessarily to care to stop caring either. All right. Let's get to Israel. Yeah, indeed. So while we've been focused, obviously, on the killing of Charlie Kirk, understandably, a lot has been transpiring here with regards to Israel. In particular, Marco Rubio, I can put those images up on the screen, Marco Rubio made a trip to Israel. And here we have him and Mike Huckabee there along with Netanyahu. And I believe that was Ben Gavir praying there at the at the Western Wall. So, you know, how many politicians do we have with photos that look just like this, Democrat and Republican, not just being the very latest?

1:47:59But that's not all. Put this up on the screen. There has been a renewed, invigorated effort to crack down on any sort of anti-Israel sentiment. In particular, we have a new bill that has been floated that would give Marco Rubio what The Intercept is describing as thought police power to revoke U.S. passports. So this dovetails with the government's argument that when it came to Mahmoud Khalil and green card holders, that they could themselves, Marco Rubio himself, deem him to be a material supporter of terrorism based on really nothing and revoke his green card. So this bill would give Rubio the ability to deny passports to U.S.

1:48:47citizens that he similarly deemed to have provided material support for terrorism. Now, the only thing that the government ever proffered with regard to Mahmoud Khalil is basically his involvement in these pro-Palestine protests that occurred at Columbia University. You know, there was no indication that they have never been able to indicate that he was, like, directly tied to Hamas or providing them direct support in any sort of way. So that's why this sort of legislation is so unnerving because it would put in the hands of Marco Rubio directly the ability to say, oh, I didn't like what you said there.

1:49:22I'm going to say that's material support for terrorism. Guess what? We're pulling your passport and you can no longer travel abroad. Yeah, this is scary stuff. And denaturalization has kind of been a dream for people in the anti-terrorism space now for quite a long time because it's very pesky. It gets in the way of being able to kill your own citizens. if you'll remember during the Anwar al-Awlaki thing during the drone strike. You know, his citizenship is the only thing that saved him from even, you know, the pretense of due process and everything. And so this is, of course, what exactly would be their dream.

1:49:55I mean, I'm generally hopeful that it wouldn't go through. It doesn't look like. It's one which has a ton of support. It is, of course, sponsored by Brian Mast. Anybody remember who that is? The guy who wore the IDF uniform into the U.S. Congress. Weird, weird, weird indeed. Combine it. He's got his priorities straight. Well, you know, it is – it's just crazy. I mean you have Huckabee and Rubio at the Western Wall paying their respects. Fine. I mean I've been to the Western Wall. I put a note in it or whatever. But it's one of those where they do it now at this point as an explicit expression of political support for the state and then for the war.

1:50:34And then on top of that, they do it in the context of all of this extraordinary Israeli action like the West Bank, which we're going to show people in a little bit. It's explicitly to be like we're here. This is part of the reason. It's religious justification. And that justifies the support for all of this secular state of Israel behavior. It's totally nuts. Yeah. It's totally nuts. The idea here behind this Brian Mass bill is basically like if you oppose the genocide that our country is supporting being conducted directly by Israel, we're going to pull your passport. We're going to, you know, we're going to crack down on you.

1:51:12And obviously they have a track record of doing exactly that already. And that wasn't the only move that was made, though. Lauren Boebert also got in on the action. Can put this next one up on the screen. We've got a new bill that just passed the House punishing politically motivated boycotts of Israel. Lauren Boebert apparently added this amendment to the Pentagon budget that targets the BDS movements against Israel. They say in a first step toward a federal law punishing criticism of Israel, House of Representatives on Wednesday passed a massive defense budget that would bar companies engaged in what they describe as politically motivated boycotts of Israel from getting Pentagon contracts.

1:51:52contracts. Bill would effectively ban contractors boycotting Israel from tapping most federal contract dollars since more than half of the$755 billion U.S. government spent on contracts last year flowed through the Defense Department. So if you are a company that has any sort of a principled boycott against Israel, you will be banned from any sort of Pentagon contracts, which is a vast dollar amount in terms of the total amount of contracts given out by the federal government. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, absolutely crazy. Absolutely. We were talking earlier and And I was like, you know, where do we need cancel culture or consequence culture?

1:52:25Looking at it right here. And yet, you know, obviously, if anything, it's the inverse. If you say anything, you just get nuked, you know, by the pro-Israel side on this. In fact, there's probably no area of political discourse which faced more cancel culture than this in the last, what, 24 months since October 7? Well, and we're going to talk more about this tomorrow and dig into this more. But I mean, this was something that Charlie Kirk was starting to talk about, the level of pressure he felt about staying on message with regard to Israel and that he felt more free to criticize his own government than to criticize this foreign government, which I think millions of Americans are reacting, feeling the same way.

1:53:04Like, what is going on here? These are your legislative priorities? Is this like anti-BDS, criminalizing any sort of boycott of Israel, making sure that American citizens can have their passports pulled if they don't toe the line with regard to Israel? Absolutely insane. And also comes as, put D4 up on the screen. This is significant. So the IDF, the former IDF chief, has confirmed that Gaza casualties are at over 200 ,000. So that is both killed and wounded. That matches up very closely with the Gaza Ministry of Health that we're always told, oh, the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health, where here you have the IDF confirm it.

1:53:45I will say that many other independent experts have looked at the overall numbers, not just of direct killings by the IDF, but also, you know, malnutrition, starvation deaths, the lack of medical care, people who are buried under the rubble, all of those sorts of things, and said that the likely numbers are much, much higher than what the Gaza Health Ministry have said in the hundreds of thousands in terms of number of people killed. But even if we just take this estimate, even if we assume that these numbers are accurate, you're talking about 10 percent of the population of the Gaza Strip either killed or injured.

1:54:23And now former IDF chief backing that up. And at the same time, we also have the Gaza City mass bombing campaign in Gaza City. They've effectively said, hey, if you stay there, we're going to assume you're a terrorist and we're just going to, you know, we're going to bomb and we're going to murder everybody who remains. So forcing people out of Gaza City, which, of course, previously is the largest city in the Gaza Strip. We can put up some of the images here on the screen. I believe this was a university here that they are detonating, blowing up, just destroying any sort of cultural institution.

1:55:02These are, you know, high rises. I don't know if they're high-rise apartment buildings. You can see the tents in the foreground there of displaced people. Everybody in the Gaza Strip has been displaced probably multiple times at this point. And here again, you can see how close they are to those tents of displaced people. This is from Al Jazeera posted this from Ion Palestine, where you can see, again, more of the explosions, detonations that are happening in Gaza City right now. So this is happening as we speak. And we also don't want to lose sight of another important piece of this, which is there's been continued attacks on the West Bank.

1:55:45And this really escalated. We can put these images up on the screen. They rounded up all of the men. And you can see them in this one particular West Bank town. You can see them being rounded up and marched out here in absolutely horrifying scenes. So any basically, quote unquote, military age man. My understanding is that they have held on to hundreds of them as effectively hostages here. And this was in retaliation for an attack committed by, I believe, two men from this town on the IDF. And so in reprisal here, just rounding up all of the men in this West Bank town. And it's important, Sagar, to keep your eye on the West Bank because, you know, with regard to Gaza, they say, oh, it's Hamas and human shields.

1:56:32and blah, blah, blah. Well, West Bank is run by the Palestinian Authority, had nothing to do with October 7th. And yet we see an aggressive, violent crackdown and mass annexation that has gotten so widespread that Jasper Nathaniel said, listen, effectively, they've annexed the West Bank at this point because the assertion of control is so complete from Israel at this point that to say it's anything other than annexed, and obviously this has been given a green light by the United States of America. Well, yeah, I mean, the Charlie Kirk thing really went over, really obscured this, but here was the direct quote that he said on September 11th, Bibi.

1:57:10A Palestinian state will not be established. This entire place is ours. We will preserve it for our heritage, for our land, and for our security. Signing a ceremonial West Bank expansion plan. It's there, out in the home. It just says this stuff. And yeah, I mean, look, I guess it's not a surprise. The Kirk thing obscured any potential outrage. And then, by the way, the ambassador and the secretary of state basically go and affirm that same position the very next day. So that's where we are. Yep, that's where we are. And last piece I'll put up on the screen here, just a news article about this West Bank crackdown.

1:57:43This is from Al Jazeera. They say, Israeli forces arrest over 100 Palestinians and impose a curfew in the West Bank. Israeli forces have detained more than 100 Palestinians and raised on the occupied West Bank city of Tel Karam and have imposed a curfew Al Jazeera Arabic reports as the Israeli offensive in Gaza City has forced more than 200 ,000 Palestinians to flee the largest urban center in the enclave. As reported earlier, Israel's military has been conducting raids in Talqaram after it said two Israeli soldiers were wounded when their vehicle was hit by an explosive device. So that's where we are.

1:58:15Yes, that's right. Okay. Thank you guys so much for watching. As usual, talk too much, but it is what it is. We'll try and cover it tomorrow and we'll see you all then. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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