Axon: Stunning The Competition - [Business Breakdowns, EP.175]

24 Jul 2024 · 53 min

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Podcast Summary: Business Breakdowns - Axon: Stunning The Competition (EP.175)

Overview In this episode of *Business Breakdowns*, hosts Matt Reustle and Zack Fuss, alongside guest Danielle Menichella from Sands Capital Management, explore the evolution and business model of Axon Enterprise. Originally known for its tasers, Axon has transformed into a comprehensive public safety technology provider, incorporating body cameras and various software solutions tailored for law enforcement and defense sectors.

Episode Highlights

Introduction to Axon

  • Mission: Axon's mission is to "protect life, capture truth, and accelerate justice."
  • Product Offerings: The company provides a public safety technology ecosystem that includes:
  • Tasers
  • Body-worn cameras
  • Evidence management software
  • Virtual reality training solutions

Evolution of the Business

  • Founding and Early Days: Founded in 1993 by Rick and Tom Smith, Axon (originally Taser) aimed to provide non-lethal alternatives to firearms after personal tragedies motivated Rick Smith.
  • Product Development:
  • The original taser was introduced in 1994, with subsequent models improving reliability and effectiveness.
  • Body cameras were launched in 2009; the company adopted a proactive strategy to enter the market based on customer feedback.

Market Dynamics and Customer Segments

  • Target Market: Axon primarily serves state and local police agencies, with a Total Addressable Market (TAM) estimated at $77 billion.
  • Market Penetration:
  • Currently, Axon has about 92% penetration in local law enforcement for tasers but only 14% for body cameras and 4% for software and cloud solutions.

Revenue and Business Model

  • Shift to Subscription Model: Axon transitioned from a primarily hardware-based model to a mixed model emphasizing software subscriptions, with 95% of revenues coming from subscriptions.
  • Net Revenue Retention: The company boasts a strong retention rate of 122%, highlighting customer loyalty and recurring revenue potential.

Growth Drivers and Innovations

  • Product Innovations: The introduction of advanced tasers and a new AI-driven tool, DraftOne, which significantly reduces the time officers spend on paperwork.
  • AI Integration: Axon is leveraging generative AI to streamline report writing, potentially saving officers hours daily, allowing them to focus more on active policing.

Competitive Landscape

  • Market Position: Axon is the market leader in tasers and body cameras, facing competition primarily from Motorola in the latter.
  • Challenges: Despite its strong position, Axon faces risks related to market dynamics, potential public pushback on new technologies, and the stock market's perception of valuation given its high price-to-earnings ratio.

Key Lessons

  • Judgment on Innovation: The episode emphasizes the importance of understanding the broader mission of companies like Axon, which focus on safety rather than simply being a weapons manufacturer.
  • AI's Future in Policing: As AI technologies evolve, Axon's applications could represent compelling commercial use cases that enhance operational efficiency within law enforcement.

Conclusion Danielle Menichella's insights provide a comprehensive overview of Axon's strategy, growth, and the transformative impact of technology in law enforcement. The episode serves as a reminder of the intricate dynamics at play within the public safety sector and the innovative opportunities that lie ahead for Axon.

Additional Resources

  • [Sands Capital Podcast Episode on Axon](#)
  • [Business Breakdowns Episode Page](#)

Acknowledgments

  • Hosts: Matt Reustle and Zack Fuss
  • Guest: Danielle Menichella, Portfolio Manager at Sands Capital Management
  • Production: The Podcast Consultant

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1:48This podcast is for informational purposes only and should not be relied upon as a basis for investment decisions. Welcome back to Business Breakdowns. This is Matt Russell, and today we are breaking down Axon Enterprise. Now, you may know Axon as the pioneer of the taser, but the business has truly evolved over the years and now has expanded into body camps and other supporting tools for law enforcement and the defense industries. Our guest is Danielle Menichella, Portfolio Manager at SANS Capital. Danielle details not just how Axon expanded its product offering, but how it's shifted that business model from pure hardware to a mix of hardware software.

2:33Given the customer base, I think this is a really interesting episode to pair with Motorola, which we recorded and released about one month ago. It's very interesting when you get into unique customer dynamics, what's driving the growth in certain industries, and we get into a lot of that and more on this episode. So please enjoy the episode on Axon. All right, Danielle, excited to talk about Axon today. This is a name that someone close to me brought up many years ago. I looked at it at the time, somewhat forgot about it. We had a conversation, discussed the podcast, brought it back up. But I certainly don't think it's a household name.

3:13Maybe we could just start out the conversation with some high level description of Axon the business to get listeners familiar. Axon sells a public safety technology ecosystem that includes three main product groups, tasers, body worn cameras, and other sensors. and evidence software, amongst a host of other software services, including virtual reality training. The ecosystem supports Axon's mission, which is to protect life, to capture truth, and to accelerate justice. Axon Solutions really seeks to solve three of the biggest problems facing public safety. Too many officers and too many suspects are dying from gunshots, and the way Axon solves for this is as the monopoly provider of tasers globally.

4:00A taser can be used as an alternative to firearms to temporarily incapacitate a suspect so that they may be restrained with a much, much lower chance of doing physical harm. Then we need more accountability for both our police officers, but also the public with whom they interact. And Axon does this with body -worn cameras as the market leader in the space. The body camera collects data and then sends it to the Axon cloud where it can be shared but not manipulated. And then the third problem, it just takes too long to go through evidence and write reports and then get that information to all the necessary parties.

4:36And this is made worse by too few human resources. Axon software helps get this done more efficiently. And like the first two product categories, Axon is the market leader in evidence management software. So I would say what makes Axon special is it has this existing pretty resilient customer base through Taser customers where there really isn't an alternative. Since 2015, we've seen increasing body cameras, mandates for those, and Axon is winning share there There's the overwhelming market leader with market share multiples higher than their competitors. And the body camera basically creates the evidence, which makes those customers very likely to use Axon software and cloud services.

5:22So it's virtual flywheel. And the result is we had a business that has shifted from a predominantly hardware sales model to an increasingly software -driven subscription model with 95 % subscription sales, 122 % net revenue retention, increasing margins as a result of more software, and the ability to generate higher cash flows in the future. I think you hit on it at the end there, just in terms of some of the numbers, which are eye -popping in terms of where they are today. Going back to the beginning of the business, it's my understanding that they invented the Taser or were early players in that Taser market.

6:03Can you just talk a bit about the start and some of the evolution of the business, which you touched on a bit there, but just getting some sense of the origin story would be helpful? They basically commercialized it. So before Axon, the company was called Taser. Taser was founded in 1993 by brothers Rick and Tom Smith in Scottsdale, Arizona, and Rick's still the CEO today. The genesis for the idea behind Axon was to find a real solution for guns with bullets, something that could stop an imminent threat quickly and effectively without ending a life. And Rick was inspired to do this after he learned that two of his friends from his high school years were driving home one night, got involved in an incident of road rage, and ended up shot dead on the side of the road.

6:48So after finishing business school, Rick decided to get to work to develop a product someone could use for self -defense without really risking killing someone else. And then Axon was launched in 1993 as Taser with the help of Jack Coover. So Jack Kover was a leading scientist from the 1960s who had worked on the Impala moon landing. He grew up wanting to be an inventor, reading science fiction of the times, and that included a famous series about a boy hero named Tom Swift. I'm telling you that for a reason. In 1967, Jack embarked on a quest to help the government find non -lethal weapons alternatives.

7:28And he worked on such technology, amassing patents along the way, but no real commercial products until Rick sought him out. Ultimately, the two helped create the Taser. It was named that in honor of Jack Covert's childhood hero. Taser stands for Thomas A. Swift's electric rifle. Jack passed away in 2009. So the first Taser was introduced in 94. It was for the civilian market. Four years later, we started to see some law enforcement use it and really use it as an option like you would use a baton or pepper spray. But each subsequent model aimed to make the taser better and more likely to be able to ultimately replace a gun with bullets in terms of reliability.

8:11We're still not there yet. We're close, though, after seven models. And we now have the taser 10, which was introduced in 2023. This one, to me at least, seemed like a real game changer when it was introduced. When studies were done regarding why previous versions of the taser didn't work at de -escalation or stopping the threat, there were two key issues that emerged. One, range. The officer shot the taser from too far away and it failed to reach the target. And two, lack of follow -up ability. The taser was shot. The target was missed. Previously, tasers only had two shots to get it right. So the latest taser, the 10, helps solve those problems and more.

8:54It has increased range up to 45 feet. It has 10 shots to get it right. Additionally, it has all weather functioning, a loud and bright effective warning alert, and comes with multiple forms of training, including in -person, online, and virtual reality. Virtual reality is proving to be the most effective, especially when considering cost savings associated with being able to do it from anywhere and to do it repeatedly. Then Axon first launched cameras in 2009. That was with an ear attachment, introduced fleet cameras in 2012, and its first body camera was launched in 2013. Since then, we've seen lots of mandates calling for more body cameras.

9:36And there have been several versions of all of those cameras. And then in 2017, Taser officially changed its name to Axon as part of the purposeful strategic shift to be more than just a Taser company and create a public safety technology platform with a focus on the accountability through the body cameras, data storage and software. Very interesting timing that we're having this discussion just several weeks ago. We recorded on Motorola, which sells... I listened to it last night. It sells into a very similar customer base. Very interesting to hear how that has evolved and some of the things that they work on.

10:14With Axon and maybe the Taser product to start, obviously, body cams certainly being in that camp as well. It sounds like the founder's initial thesis very much relied around a less lethal form of defense. And it sounded like the experience that he had was maybe more in the civilian world. What Axon seems to be controlling is more in law enforcement and that segment. Do you have some sense just of the customer segment breakdown or the market as you would think about it and frame it for Axon in terms of how big it actually is, whether that law enforcement category is that customer that's going to make up the most eyes, any context there?

10:54If you look at their customer breakdown right now, for sure, state and local police agencies are the largest single group, but their TAM is quite large and larger than that would suggest. So Axon has been publishing its TAM for a while. And as of May this year, that TAM was estimated at $77 billion. So to break that down, $7 billion for Taser, $10 billion for camera hardware, $18 billion for software and cloud, and then $16 billion for real -time operations, which would include things like dispatch and respond and their recent FUSIS acquisition. $19 billion for Exxon Air, and that's the nascent category of drones as first responders, so that's pretty new.

11:39And $5 billion in consumer tasers and personal protection. What I would say, what my analysis supports is all of that except for that personal protection category. I have more questions there. So I think of the TAM as about $70 billion versus last year's revenue of only $1 .6 billion. And then we can give some more context to that. So if I exclude civilian, $17 billion is for U .S. state and local agencies. Right now in tasers, Axon is in 92 % or estimated 92 % of those agencies in the U .S. 13 billion to U .S. federal, 17 billion to enterprise, and 26 billion for international. I think the key point with this TAM discussion, though, is how underpenetrated Axon's market actually is.

12:26Even in the U .S., we probably tend to think of taser penetration as pretty high, and it is in local and state police departments. Like I said, over 90 % penetration. But overall, in the US when you think of all the other end customers, whether it be federal, corrections, private security, or enterprise. US taser penetration is only about 35%. And body cameras for all the mandates and cries for more accountability from over the past five years or so, penetration rates are only 14 % in the US. And then the big one there is the 4 % penetration in software and cloud. And that, in my opinion, is like the key value added driver.

13:06Yeah, it's interesting, particularly on the body cam point. I have someone who's in law enforcement in my family. And I was before this episode asking a lot about Axon, and particularly the body cams. And I asked a bit about whether it was really a bad thing, or they didn't like it when they originally got body cams. And he said his department was the first to get it. And they could not live without it. Because not only does it provide accountability on him, which his point was, we're not doing anything wrong, but it provides accountability on the other side and any accusations made against them that are easy to defend.

13:42And now they don't have to take up all these hours now defending cases without merit. How did that evolution come to be in the body cam market? Because going from tasers and owning that market, doing something that's very, very specific to going into the body cam market, was this a major leap? Just talk a little bit about the DNA of the business that allowed them to go into that. And was it an early success? Did they immediately come out and hit the ground running? I would love to hear more about not necessarily pivoting, but expanding the idea and eventually changing the name of the business, which I think tells the story well.

14:19Yeah, yeah. The company started thinking about body cameras in the late 2000, right before 2010, I would say. And they started to sort of dip their toes into that market first with the cameras that were worn on your ear, then they went to fleet cameras. And Brick had a very strong view that body cameras would be something that their customers was going to need. And if you think about how Axon interacts with their customer base, they're very close to them. They are the monopoly provider of tasers. The product people at Exxon, the salespeople, and the R &D team really relies on feedback from their customers to figure out what next features are needed in tasers and what the concerns are from the officers who were using it enough.

15:15And the idea of the body camera had come up. They started to look into that, And then they really went into it in a meaningful way in 2013. At that time, there were some calls for mandates and some desires to get more accountability, but it wasn't anything like we saw in 2020 after George Floyd. But they continued to work towards that. And you're right. In the beginning, the customer base was kind of on the fence. It seemed like your privacy was being compromised. It seemed like people didn't trust you. Why did you have to wear this video surveillance basically all of the time? And like you said, they started to roll out slowly with certain customers.

15:58And what police officers ultimately found was they felt safer wearing the body camera. They felt as though if they weren't doing anything wrong, if they were good police, they needed to protect the name of the good police. They wanted to make sure that they couldn't be accused of saying or doing something that wasn't right. They wanted to have that accountability and that protection. And so I think that it kind of expanded over the years as there's been more pushback against the police. There's been more concerns from the public issue that some police aren't acting in the right way. And so by 2020, a lot of police were very eager to be wearing those body cameras.

16:41Yeah, it was very interesting for me to have this conversation and just hear some of the feedback in terms of how many accusations were made and how much time that took up. And to your earlier point about talking to the customers, this is another thing where it came up records management and their ambitions to get into that world, I think, certainly echoes what I've heard from this particular contact where they said it is just brutal now in terms of the weakness of record management, all the different systems, and not having a simple solution, which ends up taking significant time to log things.

17:18Just with that all in mind, I think you touched a little bit on the market opportunity. But when you go back in time and look at the overall TAM for the business, something that they're publishing, and then you think into the future, what is the growth of the market today? Is it just more penetration of some of the things that we've been talking about? Are there other drivers that you think are material to the growth of that overall TAM? When I think about growth for the company, I think it predominantly comes from four key categories. I would say new versions of existing products with more and better value -added features, including more automation.

17:55So Axon can upsell and cross -sell these new models to existing customers. And that might occur during a typical replacement cycle. It might happen faster. We talked about the introduction of the Taser 10. I would expect at least two more meaningfully improved versions of the Taser to be introduced over the next decade or so. That should drive adoption. Also, software that's capable of doing more and doing more with less time, less resources from the teams themselves. Then new products that can be sold to new and old customers. So we've seen this with virtual reality training and some new software like Axon Respond.

18:36Eventually, we expect Axon Air, which is the drone program to fit in here. And they could sell existing products to new verticals. We talked about how Axon's pretty well penetrated in U .S. local and state police departments. But an opportunity also exists with federal customers, justice and legal departments, fire and EMS corrections, military and enterprise. And then finally, I would say expansion outside the US. About 20 % of revenue today comes from international. So there have been successes there. And we've seen this with the expansion of body cameras into Brazil, or tasers into the Commonwealth nations, or Exxon evidence software into Scotland.

19:17Exxon's only beginning to ramp up sales efforts internationally. You mentioned before the recording a bit about how they're leveraging AI. You mentioned a few times the virtual reality training. Is that where it's mostly showing up? Are there other ways that they're leveraging this new technology? I think the most exciting thing happened earlier this year. So in April of this year, at the Axon User Conference, it introduced an AI product that has the potential to meaningfully change things in public safety. The product is called DraftOne. It's a software program that leverages generative AI and takes body -worn camera audio to produce high -quality draft report narratives in seconds.

20:00The output's a report that is standard, more clear, more concise, more consistent. And the big thing is that this is saving police officers between one and two hours worth of desk work a day. A day. So that's multiple hours more that they can spend policing and interacting with communities. At this point, draft one, officers will still have to fill in some things manually. They'll have to sign off on these reports. They're only being used for misdemeanors, but ultimately we think that the time savings could be two to four hours a day. Right now an officer sits behind their desk up to four hours of their eight hour shift.

20:39So that is meaningful time that they can get back on the street, they can interact with their communities, they can stop crime. And while the proof points are limited so far, The data we've seen has suggested that the AI -generated reports are more accurate and more complete than manually written ones. But this is Axon in 2024, after the chat GPT moment from a few years ago. What I think is special about Axon is that they have a vision of the future, and they share it. And that's been the case historically. So in 2018, Axon shared a video of what it thought policing could look like with the help of AI.

21:16and the video looked a lot like draft one. There's some more things that could happen, but a lot of it was there. And even before generative AI, Axon was adding AI tools to their software. So just one example is the redaction tool in evidence .com. This feature was able to automatically black out faces, license plates, other personal information from video evidence. Axon also offered transcription, which automatically transcribes video into text. Another example is it used AI training for its ALPR or automated license plate reading products, trained them how to read ones from different states.

21:56So previously, these were all things that were being done by humans manually. Exxon made existing software by including them. So it just kind of shows that Exxon's had this history of thinking about how to make things more automated and more efficient and easier for their customer base. And now I think with the product draft one, you see that really coming to light in a good way. Can you talk about with those customers, there was a shift from pure hardware model towards software model. There's still some hardware involved there, somewhat of a razor razor blade model, it sounds like. But can you talk about what a contract looks like or any general structure that you think is the right way to frame how a customer is buying from Axon?

22:39I think the first thing is the taser really got Axon into the customer base, then expanded to the body cameras, now going to software and other areas. Like I said before, 95 % of revenues are from subscription, and they can range from pure software to pure hardware or a combination of both. And what we really like to see is the combination of both, obviously. The lowest subscription starts at about $15 a month per user, and that's for single software seat per month. Right now, the highest bundle is about $325 per seat per month, and that's for what Axon calls the Officer Safety Plan 10 Plus Premium.

23:20That's the gold standard, and that includes the Taser 10 and cartridges, the latest body camera, training, software, cloud, and there are many other bundles in between, between the beginning officer safety plan and the 10 plus premium. As new generation products get introduced with more features, the high end of those bundle prices go up. So that $325 bundle just a few years ago was only $99. But during that time, many features have had to be added that would justify the additional cost. Most contracts are on a five -year term, but there are some shorter, some that are 10 years or more. But let's talk about the five -year contract for the officer safety plan.

24:03I think that probably is the best example. In year one, the officer will get a body camera and a taser, including cartridges and training. And that includes virtual reality hardware and cloud software. The cartridges, training, software, and cloud are continuous, meaning they get access to it over each of the five years. Then in year three, the officer will get a new body camera. So the expectation is that at the start of the next contract, the officer will get the new taser and another new body camera. One taser for five years, two body cameras for five years. And contracts generally include a low single digit price up annually.

24:42So Axon has a pretty stable 122 % net revenue retention, meaning Axon isn't losing customers and customers renew contracts at higher value. That's justified given the additional features constantly being introduced, whether it's the latest version of the taser that becomes more and more effective, or the software that is more AI enabled. And as for customer stickiness, what I really think makes the customer so sticky are these three things. The value Axon provides, its ecosystem solves real problems for a relatively low price of one to 3 % of a police department's budget, to the ease of integration, taser with cameras, with software, and increasingly with fleets and dispatch systems as well.

25:26And then it's very difficult to deploy a scaled body camera program due to the thousands and thousands of hours of video footage that are piling up rapidly. And they have to be kept depending on the state. It could be a couple of years. It could be indefinitely depending on the crime. And so Axon's winning that market by building tools that help customers best and most efficiently manage the high and growing number of digital evidence hours that they're generating. and customers would have significant difficulty in moving that stored data from the Exxon cloud elsewhere. I mean, Exxon says you can.

26:02Exxon says it will help you do it. But in reality, there's a massive amount of data that would need to be moved and it would be very difficult for customers to move that data in a timely or cost -effective way. With these bundles, I don't know if they really break out the margin profile of the hardware versus the software, but whatever numbers they do provide, I'd be curious what that margin profile looks like, whether you want to talk about the overall business, segments, hardware versus software, whatever you have would be useful. Yeah, they do break out by division. They break it into basically tasers, cameras, and then the software separately.

26:40And surprisingly, the taser has some pretty nice margins. Their gross margins are about 60%. The sensor division, which is predominantly the camera, is much lower, 40%. And then the cloud and software has margins in the high 70s. And we think that it probably can be much higher over time. So if you think about the overall margins of the business, as you sell more software than more hardware, as you have more of those higher end bundles, we think it's a safe assumption to say margins go up over time. And that's ignoring any sort of efficiencies that can be gained in the production processes. With the body cam segment and that Delta versus Tasers, 60 % versus 40%, would you attribute that to more competition in the body cam market versus the market share that they have in Tasers today?

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27:28Is there a case to be made that margins could trend up over time? Or what do you think drives that difference? So Tasers is a monopoly. I call the body camera segment a duopoly. That's not really true. There's a lot of players and it's very fragmented. There are two key players. There's Axon and there's Motorola. However, Axon is significantly larger. And I think the reason why is because they have that model, that flywheel that ties in. They get in the door with the taser. They then sell the body camera that is integrated with the taser, but then it collects that data. Because they have the most customers, they have the ability to get the most data, which actually helps them create software that is better.

28:11I do think they have that flywheel that helps them to begin with. But when you look at the top 50 municipalities in the US, Axon's market share is probably closer to 90%. So significantly large. I don't think it's a market share thing, but I do think they are investing and building those cameras. They want them to be better and better. Yeah, I've heard the battery on the Axon is significantly better and even the charging process versus Motorola, for what it's worth. Anecdote there. The customer base, I have very little sense in terms of law enforcement and whether the NYPD and the LAPD represent this huge percentage of overall law enforcement.

28:56Tam, do you have any sense of that, whether there's key players that really dominate that market just in terms of the customer base, customer concentration, anything around that and the size of some of the larger players? I don't have a real sense of who dominates other than I can tell you in size of budgets or number of police officers. You pointed out some of the big ones, some of the big cities in Texas as well. And I think from Axon's perspective, the key is really more that you want to get in with those customers because they're oftentimes, they have the bigger budgets and they have more of the accountability issues.

29:34They're more in the public eye than some of the smaller players. Now, Exxon wants to be with the smaller players too. And I'll tell you what I've learned from speaking to some of their customers over time is it's the smaller players that are often willing to take more risks earlier on with new products. They are willing to try out new things. But now on the other hand, because the NYPDs and the LAPDs and so forth are so much in the spotlight, they are less likely to change customers from a proven provider like an Exxon. Yeah, certain stickiness there. With the law enforcement agencies, are you typically seeing contracts start with only 50 % of potential seats actually signing up for the contract?

30:22Thinking about the growth of new law enforcement agencies versus growing the existing ones, and I know they're adding new products in, so there's a flywheel dynamic. But just thinking about those two growth engines, what's the sense with growing from existing customers more, whether it is in new categories or just existing categories and getting further penetrated? Yeah, for sure. In the beginning, when Axon introduced new products, you would see certain agencies start out with just a certain number of seats, try out the products. A lot of times that's because they had already had their budgets approved.

30:59And so they used what they could. And then as they got more proof points about how strong these products are, they would ensure that the next budget would include room for more seats. So there's some of that. At this point, you're seeing pretty good penetration within police agencies that are already using Axon in terms of all of their officers having the taser, having a body camera, having some software. Where the greatest potential is, is in that shift from moving to one of those lower end bundles to some of those higher end bundles with more and more software features. If I look at officer safety plans, so those bundles that have the software, the hardware, and everything in between, and there's several different versions of that, even at the less premium OSPs, the penetration rate for Axon's customers is less than 20 % of them are using that OSP.

31:57A lot of them are using much smaller bundles of hardware and software. So there's great penetration to move 80 % of their current customers into an OSP. And then on top of that, there's plenty of room for migration from the lower level OSPs to the higher levels. So the OSP 10 plus premium right now does not include any of that draft one AI. I would expect that this would be included over the next year or so. And then that will be a real driver for people to upgrade. When I look at what management is guiding to this year, it's north of 25 % revenue growth, which is quite a number for any business that has a monopoly.

32:40I understand that TAM is expanding. But can you talk about where that is mostly coming from? I have some sense on what we've been discussing throughout this conversation, but it's still a staggering number for this type of business. So can you talk a little bit about what's driving that revenue growth at such high rates? And then what you look at as the runway for that number to still be so high? I can think about anything government related as being a GDP plus type business, plus a few hundred basis points here or there. These numbers are substantially higher. So any context for that top line growth, which is quite impressive.

33:17So that top line growth is coming from all three categories, pretty equally. Maybe tasers might be the slowest, but still the expectation is over 20%. The reason for that is, like I talked about earlier, that taser 10 was introduced in 2023. It takes some time, first of all, for agencies to see the proof that this is a significantly better version than what they already have. Second of all, some of them are living out their former contracts. And then third of all, they have to go and get the budget approved to buy those more expensive tasers. So that's the main things that are driving the taser adoption part of it or the upgrade in the tasers.

33:58Then in terms of sensors, we've had a new body camera launched last year as well. And then just software, more and more of those AI enabled services in the software part of the business are driving more sales. And so the growth rate is kind of similar for all three main categories. It doesn't change significantly. For the next several years, it comes down a little bit. With the tasers specifically, there is a little bit of lumpiness. Like you'll get a CAGR that is close to 20%. But depending on when the launch of the new taser is, that could have some impact. But for the most part, the growth is quite strong across divisions.

34:39Piecing those together, we talked about the margin profile of the segments. If you look at whether it's an EBITDA margin or how much is coming down from a profit margin standpoint, what does the margin profile of business look like? You have about 60 % gross margin. The expectation or my expectation is that increases about 500 basis points by the end of the decade. And that's really coming from slight improvement in the manufacturing of the current Taser 10 as the input some automated processes and you ramp up some economies of scale there, but also your software and your cloud margin is able to increase as well.

35:23And then on an adjusted EBITDA basis, looking at something even greater than that 500 basis points in gross margin, the company, well, so the adjusted EBITDA right now is about 16%. The company's guides for a medium to long -term margin in about 30 % range, I actually think it could be higher as you get more software in those bundles. In terms of what's being spent now, you mentioned R &D, CapEx, I assume is going into it. Are they seeing much conversion from EBITDA to free cash flow? Is this considered a heavy investment period? Yeah. So they're finishing up a manufacturing facility in Arizona.

36:00They might be moving their headquarters. There's constant R &D. We actually, as a percentage of sales, don't expect that to come down through the end of the decade because this is an innovative business, an innovative management team. They're constantly looking for the next thing to work on, the next thing that could help their customers. They're increasingly looking at ways to work with the military. So I think that all requires some strong investment. But I also think that short of any sort of major M &A or any sort of major investment period, you'll see an increase in free cash flow and more and more of a free cash flow generation through the end of the decade.

36:37And I think they have done some acquisitions in the past. Maybe it's just one that caught my eye. But is there a history of M &A? Is that part of the thesis at all that they could use, whether it's their equity or cash to acquire businesses? So they've actually done several acquisitions over the years. The most recent one that's pretty meaningful is Fusus, which is a scalable real -time crime center platform that can integrate with any data source, pull in public private video feeds, enable those video sources with AI, integrate the ALPRs, body cam, drones, if there are any, and then create a common operating picture for community safety.

37:20So this will really help dispatch systems. And if you think about it, it gives more intel to the dispatch team who may be interacting with police officers or EMS or other first responders. And they'll be able to have a conversation back and forth, get more information to them. Maybe they need help translating to another language. Maybe a police officer isn't the right person to be there. Maybe they need a social worker or a psychologist. All of that provides intel for helping get a better first responder there. Other than that, they've probably engaged in about nine acquisitions over their history.

37:58Most of them have been pretty small. They've had a couple recently in the drone space, a company called D -Drone that's pending. And that's a company that basically does anti -drone intelligence. So if you think about military, there's some good use cases there or corrections. Lately, there have been situations where people have used drones to drop contraband into corrections facilities. So it could be a mobile phone or it could be drugs or something like that. And so the D -drone system would provide counter drone. Drone on drone crime. Yeah, exactly. Another one is Sky Hero. That's another drone company that they've done.

38:36Foundry was done in 2022. that helped their virtual reality training abilities in terms of creating studios to help develop these programs that train police officers. And then probably the other one that's in the news a lot because they're still kind of in lawsuits was ViView. They were a body camera producer that I believe Axon's paid $7 million in 2018 to acquire some of that technology. They still have some products in the system today that are not owned by Axon. On the international opportunity, I thought it was interesting you mentioned Brazil with the body cams, but it seems like tasers are a bit less penetrated overseas.

39:21Are there major milestones or is it regulatory dynamics? It does seem to me like they've really taken the US market by storm with that particular product and then body cams as well over time. Do you think there will be a relevant breakthrough or anything that you're monitoring to gauge the likelihood that something can play out abroad? I think there's a lot of opportunity abroad. Different markets will have a desire for different products. I think there are some markets where body cameras make a lot of sense. I think there are some where tasers do. In general, I don't think there's a lot of blue sky scenario that I think about in terms of taser adoption globally, but a lot of it makes sense.

40:08There's a lot of countries that do not allow their public safety to carry guns. They do not believe in the potential to kill someone when you're stopping a threat, but they need de -escalation measures. And when you think about what types of de -escalation measures there are, there's the taser, there's a baton, which really you could have caused some damage with. There's pepper spray. You can use maybe a tranquilizer dart, but that takes a long time, and during which time it's pretty rare that you would see de -escalation. You would probably see escalation during that time. And so the research on tasers is actually quite positive.

40:49There's an 80 % chance that somebody with a chokehold or baton is going to get some sort of injury. There's only a 1 % chance of people who've been actually hurt by tasers. To me, it's logical that there are countries that might be willing to deploy tasers over time. And I think that the better the taser gets, the more effective, the more reliable it is, the more chance that people, their customers in the US and customers outside the US who are going to increasingly use that instead of a gun. On the equity as a whole, the chart obviously has been up and to the right over a long period of time.

41:27Is there a general framework you use from a valuation standpoint, or you think that the market tends to use when valuing the business just to get a sense of certain industries that we talk about? It's all PE, then you have DCFs in one area. But is there anything that's generally used to value a business like this that's growing substantially, but has interesting hardware software dynamics? I think that's a tough question. Look, Axon looks expensive pretty much on all different metrics. I think looking at a forward PE makes the most sense. And right now it's trading at 60 times next 12 months PE.

42:02But what you get for that is a business that's growing top line about 30 % into the future and growing EBITDA and EPS a lot more than that, probably closer to 40%, although there's some noise there. And cash flow, probably twice that or more. So I don't think Axon really has a peer group as a monopoly producer as selling into this public safety customer base, which tends to, I would say, be acyclical because governments rarely cut back spending on public safety. You could say it's counter cyclical because in times of a weak economy, the government spurs spending. And then on top of that, unfortunately, you see crime pickup, which then generates calls to have more spending on public safety.

42:50So you have that unique aspect of this. It's dominant market leadership. It's a monopoly in tasers. Body cameras technically isn't. But in reality, there's only two big players. And we believe Axon's market share is twice that of the other player. It has an entrenched and sticky customer base and access to the most data in this field, which should help Axon benefit from generative AI faster than any potential competitors while offering a strong ROI to their customers, customers who every day are being challenged to do more with less resources. So for now, that next 12 -month P does look expensive, but when you think about the duration of that growth and the duration of that growth staying way into those double digits, I don't think it looks that expensive.

43:34Would you consider Motorola a peer? Obviously, it's not perfect. But do you ever consider them peers or use them for any type of comparative analysis? When you look at them, I think it's a very different business though. And it starts with the fact that Axon starts as a monopoly. And in the space, outside of some of the surveillance video and the body cameras that Motorola is doing, a lot of the other businesses, obviously they have the radio, that's pretty impressive. But a lot of their other businesses like dispatch, there's a lot of competition there. And unless there's some sort of connective tissue or flywheel that makes you have to keep using their dispatch system, I think I don't see that as an attractive long -term competitive advantage.

44:19It's an interesting one where there's similar customer bases, but I don't think that either you or the Motorola guests considered it as competitors, one way or the other. On the risk side of the equation, what stands out to you as the key risks for the business? Yeah, unless I think you hit on it, the stock price. And I think that's the easy place to be concerned for valuation. When a company's grown over 30 % for a long period of time, the law of large numbers means it has to slow down at some point. And even falling a few percentage points means that the market could be disappointed and the stock can react negatively.

44:57And tied in with that is valuation. So we talked about the reasons why I think Axon deserves a premium. I can argue it doesn't really have a comp set, but a near 60 time forward multiple isn't cheap. So anything goes wrong, the stock could react negatively. But then in terms of business, I think to me, this is the one that worries me a bit more. I think the company and its mission is noble. And it aims to solve some real and serious problems that we have with the state of policing, especially in the US, but elsewhere too. And I look at Axon as a real impact story. But I think when a company aims to solve a problem with a new technology, there's always going to be idealists who say no until we can solve the problem with something that has no other problems at all.

45:40We shouldn't accept it. And we need to resist and push back. And I think for the most part, we've gotten over the big pushbacks on Taser. Research has proven that they cause less physical harm than other non -lethal weapons and obviously lethal ones. We've gotten over the pushback on body cameras. Most police now are willing to give up some of their privacy if it's to prove that they were doing their jobs within the confines of the law. We're probably just beginning to get some pushback on AI and what biases can be inherent there. Although Axon's worked very hard with their AI ethics advisory council to account for those.

46:18We're probably in early innings of pushback when it comes to drones as a first responder. But I think we'll get through that. Still, I think the risk here is when you put yourself out there as a company making a positive social impact, trying to solve those real social problems and do good, you have to be that much cognizant of every word you say, every action you take, because in some ways you become a target. So that's kind of what I worry about. Does Axon somehow get on the wrong side of one of these issues? Yeah. And with the actual spending, you mentioned before getting budget approval, is there much fluctuation just in terms of how much goes towards law enforcement, whether it's from municipalities, state level, federal level.

47:02Has that swung much historically? Or does that ever come up as a risk as you think about elections at the federal level or further down into the state and local level? I mean, it certainly came up in our initial research work. It's in their gut that they think that this could be impacted. But the reality is public safety spending, even through the defund police movement, did not change very much. I think there was one two -year period over the last 30 years where it dropped a bit and then it came right back up. So public spending on state and local police has kind of just increased up to the right.

47:39And then when you talk about elections, I think it's pretty common that there would be commentary about increasing spending on public safety rather than decreasing it. Like I said, we made it through the worst part during the defund police. We found that crime actually went up when there was talk of doing it or they did do it in certain areas. So I think we've gotten past that. The main thing here is there is a justifiable ROI that is obvious to customers, the more value that's added into that software. So it's not just about the accountability, although those body cameras save a lot of time in the legal system and protecting officers and going to court and prosecutions.

48:19But that software itself is going to save a lot of time and have a strong ROI for the customer base. And the customers are seeing that already. That makes a lot of sense. It's been a fascinating conversation, a name that I, again, knew a little about, but didn't have quite the level of detail or quite understand how much they've evolved over the years. It's been an absolute pleasure. We close out the conversation just trying to focus in on key lessons that you could potentially take and apply elsewhere. what stands out to you from looking at Axon? I think two. The first one is don't rush to judgment.

48:58Hearing that Axon is a company that makes tasers, I rush to judgment that this is a weapons company. It's not something we would want to be associated with. When in reality, the more I learned about Axon, the more I realized it was an innovative software and technology company that has positive impact. Axon's more about increasing the accountability and expediting justice through body -worn cameras and softwares. And even in the taser segment, that mission is about saving lives and de -escalating situations by stopping threats that don't cause permanent harm. The other lesson that I think should be applied elsewhere is a bit newer and involves AI.

49:35Over the past few years, the market's spent a lot of time getting excited about generative AI and what it means for the Magnificent Seven, for semiconductor companies, hyperscalers, compute businesses, those stocks really reacted in a positive way. There's an abundance of enthusiasm for those companies, and probably with good reason. But there's less focus, I would say, on what happens next in AI. What are the killer applications? What will people actually pay money for? And that's what we need to think about. And I think Axon is one of the most compelling commercial use cases for AI at this moment.

50:11This is a team that's been involved in AI before the chat GPT moment, had a strategic vision, and was working towards commercializing products. It's a company with physical products, yes, tasers, body cameras, but has a compelling AI use case. Like I said, police officers currently sit behind the desk three to four hours a day of their eight hour shift filling out paperwork. That is time they cannot be policing. They cannot be on the streets. They can't be interacting with communities, and they cannot be stopping crime. That's why we need more police officers. And precincts all over the U .S. have been struggling to hire because the supply just isn't there.

50:50But in comes Axon's AI -enabled software, whether it's redaction, transcription, DraftOne, the next generation of evidence software. This can cut hours off manual report writing taking place. On average, say a police officer's all -in benefit comes to about $50 an hour. Well, DraftOne, assuming only a one -hour -a -day savings, and we actually think it's more than that, provides a benefit of 20 extra hours policing a month. So that's $1 ,000 that maybe you could put towards a salary, but you can't because you can't find people to hire. And so right now, the most expensive officer safety plan, which includes the taser and the camera and the host of software is about $325 a month.

51:29Now, if better software can save more than one hour a day, that ROI calculation becomes even more compelling. And we think that it will quickly. So I would say, yeah, NVIDIA is great. And those Mag 7s are exciting. But think about how people are actually going to make money by using this AI. Like it. Looking for the non -obvious opportunities and options and players that benefit the most. Very well said. This has been a pleasure, Danielle. Thank you for joining us and sharing the knowledge. Thanks, Matt. Great talking to you. To find more episodes of Breakdowns ranging from Costco to Visa to Moderna, or to sign up for our weekly summary, check out joincolossus .com.

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Today, we are breaking down Axon Enterprise. You may know Axon as the pioneer of the taser. The business has truly evolved over the years and now has expanded into body cams and other supporting tools for law enforcement and the defense industries.
Our guest is Danielle Menichella, portfolio manager at Sands Capital Management. Danielle details not just how Axon expanded its product offering but also how it's shifted its business model from pure hardware to a mix of hardware and software. It's very interesting what unique customer dynamics are driving the growth in certain industries, and we get into a lot of that and more on this episode. So please enjoy this Breakdown on Axon.

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Show Notes
(00:00:00) Welcome to Business Breakdowns
(00:04:55) Axon's Mission and Product Overview
(00:07:28) The Evolution of Taser and Axon
(00:10:55) Body Cameras and Market Expansion
(00:12:28) Market Opportunity and Customer Segments
(00:20:54) AI and Technological Innovations
(00:23:53) Subscription Model and Customer Retention
(00:29:26) Axon's Flywheel and Market Share
(00:30:17) Customer Base and Market Penetration
(00:31:55) Growth Engines and Product Penetration
(00:34:03) Revenue Growth and Product Adoption
(00:36:12) Margin Profile and Investment
(00:38:26) Acquisitions and International Opportunities
(00:42:54) Valuation and Competitive Landscape
(00:45:53) Risks and Public Safety Spending
(00:50:24) Key Lessons from Axon

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