Billy Beer: When American Beer Hit Bottom, Then Bounced Back

5 Aug 2026 · 41 min · 20 chapters

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In short

How U.S. beer hit “bottom” in the 1970s/early 1980s—bland mass-market lager dominated by big brewers—and then rebounded into craft beer, driven largely by tax/regulatory changes and distribution structure.

Guests

None. The episode is hosted by Jacob Goldstein and Robert Smith, with historical quotes from figures like Jimmy Carter, Billy Carter, Ken Grossman, and Jim Cook.

Guest backgrounds (referenced people)

  • Jimmy Carter: sober, religious Georgia politician; governor who later became U.S. president.
  • Billy Carter: younger brother; known for heavy drinking and “country bumpkin” media persona.
  • Ken Grossman: California homebrewer who later founded Sierra Nevada.
  • Jim Cook: Boston Consulting Group consultant who helped launch Boston Beer Company/Sam Adams via contract brewing.

Key claims

  • Prohibition and the post-1933 three-tier system favored big brewers and encouraged bland, cheap beer.
  • A 1978 Carter amendment legalized limited home beer production, enabling hop-focused homebrewing and the craft pipeline.

Notable examples

Pabst Blue Ribbon’s rise (German lager + cold chain) and later decline; “Billy Beer” by Fall City (1978 flop; distributors returned cases); Sierra Nevada scaling up; brewpub loopholes; Sam Adams Boston Lager success.

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Chapters

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Introduction to Billy Carter

0:03 to 1:06

Learn about Billy Carter and his connection to the beer industry.

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Introduction to Billy Carter

1:48 to 2:05

Learn about Billy Carter and his connection to the beer industry.

The Carter Brothers and American Beer History

2:05 to 3:20

Explore the pivotal role of the Carter brothers in American beer history.

“Jacob Goldstein, I want to tell you a story about two brothers from Georgia.”

Jimmy vs. Billy: Temperaments and Impact

3:20 to 4:19

Understand the contrasting personalities and impacts of Jimmy and Billy Carter.

“And surprisingly, it is the teetotaling president, not the drunkard, who saves the great American brewski.”

Billy Carter's Business Ventures

4:19 to 6:01

Follow Billy Carter's unique approach to business and alcohol in Georgia.

“And maybe it's because Jimmy was a goody two-shoes, but Billy, oh, people would tell these stories about the president's brother is a redneck, he's a good old boy.”

The Journey of Pabst Blue Ribbon

6:01 to 7:10

Trace the story of Pabst Blue Ribbon and how it reflects beer's evolution.

“In 1972, Jimmy Carter was governor of Georgia and Billy Carter also made his big career jump.”

Immigration and the German Beer Influence

7:10 to 9:01

Discover how German immigrants shaped the American beer landscape.

“Now, at this point, I want to leave the Carter brothers for a moment.”

Challenges Faced by the Beer Industry

9:01 to 12:45

Learn about the challenges the beer industry faced during Prohibition.

“There's all this newly arrived German population in St.”

Pabst's Resilience During Prohibition

12:45 to 14:01

Examine how Pabst overcame Prohibition to emerge after its repeal.

“and beer became an easy target for, you know, the propaganda of the war.”

Pabst's Survival and the Impact of Prohibition

14:01 to 14:35

Learn how Pabst navigated Prohibition and the changes in beer production.

“It developed these properties, rented, sold them off.”
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The New Beer Distribution System

17:54 to 22:22

Understand the three-tier system established after Prohibition.

“I think we've all heard about the celebrations when Prohibition was repealed and people were drinking in the streets.”

Billy Carter and the Rise of Billy Beer

22:22 to 28:00

Explore how Billy Carter's persona influenced a new beer brand.

“So with this philosophy, Pabst and the other brewers decide they need to cut costs, become more efficient.”

The Origins of Billy Beer

28:00 to 29:46

Learn about the creation and marketing of Billy Beer and its connection to Billy Carter.

“And his one job was to taste them all and to pick out the one that would become Billy beer.”

Billy's Struggles and Beer Flop

29:46 to 31:28

Explore Billy Carter's personal struggles with alcoholism amidst the beer's decline.

“Billy at this point is a pretty serious alcoholic, and he's drinking a lot, and they're parading him around the nation.”

The Birth of Craft Beer

34:46 to 37:55

Understand how the craft beer movement began in America during the late 1970s.

“Robert Smith, we're back from the break, and you're about to tell me the story of the birth of craft beer in America, or the rebirth of craft beer in America.”

The Evolution of Brewing Laws

37:55 to 42:00

Examine the changes in brewing laws that facilitated the growth of craft breweries.

“Jimmy Carter is about to create the high point for beer.”

Jim Cook and the Birth of Craft Brewing

42:00 to 44:38

Learn how Jim Cook leveraged existing breweries to create Sam Adams.

“It's going to take one more person to really make this an industry, craft brewing.”

The Independence of Craft Brewers

44:38 to 45:42

Explore the current landscape of craft brewing and the importance of independence.

“And what they've done is bought up a lot of the craft brewers.”

The Rise and Fall of Billy Carter

45:42 to 47:59

Discover the tragic story of Billy Carter and the legacy of Billy Beer.

“He was a severe alcoholic by the end of Carter's presidency.”

Looking Ahead: Future Beer Shows

47:59 to 48:38

Join the hosts as they brainstorm future podcast topics and engage with listeners.

“I hear it's a regional brew named after the brother of a popular ex-president.”
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2:05Jacob Goldstein, I want to tell you a story about two brothers from Georgia. One was a goofy-looking peanut farmer. The other one, also a little goofy-looking, also peanut farmer, also the president of the United States of America. Jimmy Carter. And Billy Carter. They looked similar, Billy and Jimmy, but their temperaments were different. Jimmy Carter, the president, was sober, both in the sense that he rarely drank, but also in the sense that he had pretty strong religious views. He felt that if you looked at a woman who was not your wife with lust in your heart, this was actually a form of adultery.

2:42Billy, his brother Billy, loved drinking, loved beers, and he would drink them with this unquenchable thirst. And he judged the 1977 Miss Piggy's Pizza Beauty pageant. I'm going to argue that Billy and his brother, the president, were essential to an important moment in business history, specifically the history of the beer industry in the United States of America. Between the two of them, they were responsible for possibly the very lowest point in American beer history, which we will tell you about, and eventually the birth of the fantastic American craft beers we have today. It's a fall and rise story.

3:22And surprisingly, it is the teetotaling president, not the drunkard, who saves the great American brewski. I'm Robert Smith. Have you ever said brewski before in your life? I have never said brewski before, Mel. I'm Jacob Golson, and this is Business History, a show about the history of beerness. No, a show about the history of business. No, do it, do it, do it. We're going all the way. This story answers some questions that I have always had about beer. How did a nation of immigrants, each of which brought delicious beers with them, create an American beer industry that at least in the 60s, 70s, 80s, served bland, watery swill?

3:59And how did craft beers finally break that curse? And the answer, this is going to delight you, is tax policy and regulation. It does delight me. The two most powerful forces in the universe. I was a kid during this era, and the news just loved stories about Billy Carter. And maybe it's because Jimmy was a goody two-shoes, but Billy, oh, people would tell these stories about the president's brother is a redneck, he's a good old boy. And Billy Carter embraced those terms. Jimmy Carter's route to the presidency was a classic one. He left the small town of Plains, Georgia as soon as he could to attend the Naval Academy.

4:41He joined America's nuclear submarine fleet. And when his father died, he went back to run the family business, the family peanut farm. Billy, 12 years younger than Jimmy, Billy flunked out of university. He left a$4 ,000 beer tab behind. It's a lot of beer. It was a lot of drinking. He ended up working and managing the peanut farm. But he was smart. Billy kind of was smart. He was a voracious reader. He did a great job of running the peanut farm. But he did find that the drunken good old boy schtick was effective in the peanut business. He once told a reporter, I got a redneck, white socks, and blue ribbon beer.

5:25Blue ribbon beer like PBR, like Pabst Blue Ribbon? Pabst Blue Ribbon. He would roll up to farmers and peanut buyers in his pickup truck with an open Pabst Blue ribbon, driving while drinking, between his knees. And the customers just loved it. So in 1972. It was like a business show. He was like a salesman selling this character of Billy Carter to some extent. Yeah, of this Southern farmer, you know, who loved America, loved his beer. And he's a good time. You're happy. If you're in business with him and he shows up, you know it's going to be a good time. I think it still works in business to this day.

6:00Like you were not unhappy when Billy Carter rolled up with a six pack of PBR. In 1972, Jimmy Carter was governor of Georgia and Billy Carter also made his big career jump. So he was living at this time, Plains, Georgia, in a dry county, meaning they couldn't sell alcohol. You could find alcohol, but they didn't officially sell alcohol in the county. So Billy Carter joins the town council for the sole reason of voting to allow alcohol sales in the county. And once that vote went through, he resigned from the town council. He bought the only gas station in town in Plains, Georgia. And he put up a big beer sign and said, we are selling beer, which I helped legalize, here at the only gas station in Plains, Georgia.

6:49and it became this community hub for the city with Billy holding court. Why don't you give me his quote? We were a beer joint that sold gas as a sideline. I probably drank or gave away more beer than I sold. That second part is the trick, right? It's great if your business is selling beer. Good, classic business. Giving the beer away, that's going to hurt you in the end. And drinking it also. Now, at this point, I want to leave the Carter brothers for a moment. And I want to follow the beer itself, the Pabst Blue Ribbon, because unbeknownst to Billy's belly, Pabst is a perfect way to tell the story of how beer got to America and how it got so bad.

7:31We're going to flashback now 130 years to 1844. I'm there. I'm ready. I love the 1800s in business history. As you know, it's my favorite business history century. So since this is a beer store, you know it's going to feature Germans. 1844, a lot of Germans are coming to America, including Jacob Best, who starts the Empire Brewery in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Now, in this era of German migration, they brought a new style of beer. They'd brew a beer. It's all cloudy, has all this stuff in it. And they would store it somewhere cold, like in a cool cellar. and the stuff inside the beer would sort of drop down to the bottom.

8:15And Jacob, do you know what Stor away is in German? Stor away. No, no, no. It's Lager, where we get the term lager. So this is the beer that the Germans have brought to America and this new process. And after the Lager process, you had a clear, mellow beer that stayed fresh longer than other ales. And the timing of Jigabest was impeccable because soon after the brew reopened came the great lager drought of 1854. Put it on the calendar. It's like a bank panic, but for beer. I knew all the bank panics. I did not know about the great lager drought of 1854. It had apparently been a hot summer. There's all this newly arrived German population in St.

9:04Louis and Chicago, and they drank the city's dry. The Chicago Journal wrote about this. Here, give it to us, Jacob. Germans disconsolate and haggard wander from hall to hall, and as yet there is no beer. Something must be done. A newspaper loves nothing more than to say something must be done. The problem was that most lager at this point was sold within a mile or two of where it was brewed. Number one, it's heavy, so it's expensive to move. But number two, it's because once the beer gets warm, it starts to go bad. But luckily for Jacob Best, this is the beginning of the age of the cold chain.

9:43So you had ice, you had railroads, you had shipping, you had a way to transport beer. Call back to our Ice King show. Of course. This was right around this time, mid-1800s, kind of early to mid-1800s. hundreds, they're industrializing ice before they have refrigeration. They're cutting it out of frozen lakes and using it to keep beer cool. It was actually one of the first places it spread from Boston was Milwaukee for the beer business. So you have a new way to transport beer. You have a beer panic in the big cities. And so Jacob Best starts to ship barrels of their lager on the Lake Michigan ferry to Chicago and then down a canal to St.

10:20Louis. Lager drought over. Jacob Best and eventually his son Philip started to build their brand. It's the other thing happening in the 1800s is the launch of brands. They put their last name, Best. They put their last name. It wasn't Worst, Worst Beer? Worst, no. It was Best Select, and they put it on the bottle. And they came up with a drinking song specifically for their beer. Here are the lyrics printed in Maureen Ogle's great book, Ambitious Brew. Jacob, sing us a drinking song of the bests. When the glasses loudly ring, all the waiters quickly spring, serving promptly all the guests with the bestest of the bests.

11:05With the bestest of the best. Boom, boom, boom. I want a tuba for that. The bests were soon making enough profit to expand. They built a new brewery in Milwaukee, looked like a gothic castle, and the logger vaults extended for several city blocks under the city. It's all beer below Milwaukee. We need a comic book. We need a beer comic book down there. Eventually, a steamboat captain married into the family and he took over the business and renamed it. His name was Frederick Pabst. He tied a little blue ribbon around the next of the bottles. Like an actual blue ribbon? Yeah, as part of the marketing.

11:40They could stand out. I always thought it was because they won a blue ribbon at a contest or something. They later did also. The actual blue ribbon seems impressive. It's nice. Now, you needed a gimmick like this to stand out because everyone was getting into the brewing business in the late 1800s. We start to see companies like Schlitz, Miller, Anheuser-Busch, and Pabst. Now, maybe because it was a product of the German immigrants, beer did not enjoy the best reputation in the late 1800s. This is when the temperance movement was rising in America. People said, we should outlaw alcohol. It's terrible.

12:16And these German and Irish immigrants, they were painted as being drunks, invading and destroying America. The beer industry fought back with science. They said, listen, beer is a low alcohol alternative to the devil that is whiskey. They said in court, you could drink 20 pints of lager before you could get drunk. It's a lot of pints. The brewers might have won this argument. But just as the prohibition movement was growing, the U.S. declared war on Germany in 1917. and beer became an easy target for, you know, the propaganda of the war. Here's what one pro-Prohibition politician had to say. No Germans in the war are conspiring against the peace and happiness of the United States more than Pabst, Schlitz, Miller, and others of their kind.

13:04We don't like that phrase, their kind. It's never good. No. We should do a Prohibition show in the future. Yeah, there's a lot of sort of tax and regulation. I mean, even just Al Capone. I think there's a business case study about Al Capone that I've been meaning to dig into. Oh, we should definitely do it. Just after the war, the 18th Amendment passed, which meant that prohibition was in effect in the United States of America. Production of alcohol is now banned. And the big beer companies converted their giant factories to make near beers, like low-alcoholic soft drinks, essentially. It would have been very popular today.

13:41That is the trend. And because they had ice houses and refrigeration plants, some started to produce ice cream. Pabst made spreadable cheese. In fact, got sued by Kraft. Pabst also had a big real estate portfolio from all the beer gardens and hotels and taverns it had acquired. It developed these properties, rented, sold them off. It did anything to survive prohibition. And because all of this, you know, a lot of the small breweries went out of business. But Pabst, they made it through when Prohibition was repealed in 1933. They could reopen the factory and start to sell beer again in America.

14:20But the Pabst that they were about to brew, the one that Billy Carter was to come to love, would not be the same beer. It would taste different than the one that carried that first blue ribbon. It would be much worse. After the break.

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18:04I think we've all heard about the celebrations when Prohibition was repealed and people were drinking in the streets. It feels like it was this anomaly in America. But Prohibition really changed the industry, obviously. People drank less. They just did after Prohibition. And the industry structure was altered. In the old days, if you were Pabst Blue Ribbon, you would have a beer garden. A lot of bars were owned or financed directly by brewers, right? It was a vertical integration, basically. But when prohibition was repealed, the U.S. government was like, well, wait a minute. Let's not go back to the way things were.

18:40Let's create something new called a beer distributor. It ended up being a, what is it, a three-tier system? Three-tier system. This is the phrase everybody uses. Yeah. So rather than sell the beer you made to someone who wants to drink the beer you made. Or even rather than sell it to a store that's going to sell it. The brewer would sell it to a distributor. The distributor would sell it to a store and the store would sell it to the customer. Yes. So the three tiers, to be clear, are brewer, wholesaler slash distributor and store. And like just like why did they do that? What is the rationale?

19:12I think the government was worried that the brewers had incentive to, first of all, to take over markets because they owned the bars and the beer halls. And also an incentive to encourage people to drink more than they probably should. because it is their product. So they were concerned about alcoholism, but also they were concerned about taxing the industry. And they felt like if they reduced the power of all parts of the brewing industry, it would be easier to track the beer and to tax the beer. And maybe, you know, I'm kind of making this up, but antitrust was particularly aggressive around this time.

19:51And there was that famous case, you know, movie studios used to own movie theaters. And there's the famous case that went to the Supreme Court where the government didn't want that to happen anymore. They didn't want that vertical integration. And they won. And movie studios were no longer allowed to own theaters anymore. This is the analog of that, right? Beer brewers can't own bars anymore. And it seems like there are some, I don't know whether they're intended or not, but there are some interesting structural consequences of this shift. One of them, of this three-tiered system, is it seems to be quite bad for small brewers, right?

20:24They already were having a hard time. A lot of them had gone out of business in Prohibition. They don't have a lot of leverage with the distributors, right? Distributors have a limited storage space, limited truck space, and limited shelf space. These are the things that distributors care about. And so, in theory, they could negotiate with every small brewery. But if you're a distributor, it's easy to just talk to Pabst Blue Ribbon and to, like, fill up your truck with Pabst Blue Ribbon and to put it on the shelf. And I bet Pabst Blue Ribbon will give you a deal. I mean, it kind of reminds me of the A &P story as well, where the big player, it just has economies of scale and efficiencies.

21:02And the distributor just wants to do the easiest, cheapest thing, the most efficient thing. And why wouldn't they? And that's good for the big brewers and bad for the small brewers. So now we have beer distributors and the big breweries seem to get bigger. The smaller ones seem to be hurt after this. And it's interesting when you have a market like this, and there's a few big players, there's a couple of ways the market can divide, differentiate. One way would be that, you know, some people could start making beers for a more sophisticated palate. You could have basically a rich person's beer, costs a lot, has great flavor, and then a cheaper swill you could sell to the masses.

21:44What actually happened was that all the big breweries decided they were going to cut costs and compete to be the cheapest, blandest, most generic beer out there. This feels very mid-century to me. I feel like we're in the kind of post-war period here, right? We're in the 1950s, 60s. It feels like this very mass market era. And you can imagine the three-tiered system being highly relevant here, right? We want to fill the distributor's trucks with our couple beers, with our one or two basic beers that everybody's going to want and send them out by the case. So with this philosophy, Pabst and the other brewers decide they need to cut costs, become more efficient.

22:27They add corn and rice to make the beer cheaper and blander. And at this point, they decide they're going to compete through advertising, not the flavor space. The flavor space. The flavor space. So by the 1970s, basically, every beer is weak. It's very light, very pale, very dry. And the only thing to differentiate is the name on the label and the tagline. The tagline became so important. Here, why don't you read me some of these taglines? Miller makes it right. Ah. Where there's life, there's bud. If you like beer, you'll love Schlitz. You know what things made me think of? Do you remember the Homer Simpson line?

23:10Beer. The cause of and solution to all of life's problems. Something like that. Well, he's making fun of this era of beer. And because it is the Mad Men era and they are starting to advertise on television and sponsor big league sports, these beer names are everywhere. And everyone's looking for their competitive advantage in terms of how can I get the name of my beer to stand out? Who can I get to hold up my beer and say this beer is the best? and their eyes turned toward Plains, Georgia. It's 1976. Governor Jimmy Carter runs for president. And the world's press descends on Plains, Georgia. You know, I've been there myself.

23:58You have to do the puff piece about the people running for president where you interview all their neighbors and their relatives and who should be there at the gas station when you drive into Plains, Georgia, but the president's brother, Billy Carter. And they loved him. Jimmy Carter, the president, later said, why don't you give me this quote? He could play the country bumpkin as well as anyone. His beer drinking helped promote that image. He had a can of beer in his hand in every photo I ever saw. And I just want to point out that phrase, play the country bumpkin. Because what President Carter is saying here is Billy knew what he was doing.

24:41He was conscious that he was putting on an act, creating a persona, and he was good at it. And what Jimmy Carter didn't say is that this act, this image of the country bumpkin, actually helped his run for president. This is just after Vietnam and Watergate, and Americans were suspicious of the same old politicians in Washington, D.C. And Billy, yeah, he was embarrassing. He used some unfortunate language. But he humanized Jimmy Carter. He made it seem like this is an authentic politician from an authentic small town. And who amongst us doesn't have a brother that says the wrong thing occasionally?

25:17So Billy took advantage of this. He went on TV game shows. He judged belly flop competitions. And eventually he hired an agent to handle all the media requests and business propositions that flooded in. Definitely taking advantage of his brother's run for president. And you can imagine the beer companies are taking a look at this guy who is never without a beer in his hand. And they think, this guy. We can make money off of this guy. One company in particular, this was a small brewer trying to compete against the Paps and the Budweiser's of the time. It was called Fall City Brewing Company. They were a little desperate.

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25:57They had started in 1905 in Louisville, Kentucky. Just a little side note, Falls City were the first people at the time to start using the StayTab opener for their beer cans, which we talked about in our can show. The StayTab is the way you open a can now, the miraculous three-lever thing that you described. Instead of the ring pull. Which was a deadly device. People can swallow them. It's terrible. So Falls City looks at Billy Carter and they think, yes, yes. what if we craft an entire beer around this beer god's image? What if we make Billy beer? And they were going to take it up a notch. They weren't just going to put his name on it.

26:38They were going to have Billy pick the beer. So they send a private jet to Georgia to pick up Billy Carter. They bring in Billy Carter. His quote is, perhaps I'll become the Colonel Sanders of beer. It's interesting that he should say Colonel Sanders, because today, a celebrity not just endorsing a beer, but, you know, starting a brand, that has become a thing. If you're famous and you want to not just be really rich, but really, really rich, rather than just acting in another movie or releasing another album, you start a tequila brand or a line of skincare products. And if it goes well, you go from mega millionaire to maybe billionaire.

27:20Yeah, if you, you know, Jay-Z like bought into a champagne company. Yeah, George Clooney and Rihanna. Billy Carter is going to be that guy. So he's flying to Louisville. He is going to pick out the beer that will bear his name. Only problem is, Billy at this point is drinking a little bit more than beer. He had graduated to the hard stuff. So landing in Louisville, Billy later admitted, quote, I'd been knocking back vodka and grapefruit juice all the way there. At least there was the juice. It's good for you. It keeps the scurvy away. Billy was set up with all these different recipes of beer. And his one job was to taste them all and to pick out the one that would become Billy beer.

28:07Here's what Billy said of that tasting session. Jacob? I was so drunk that they could have given me water in a glass and I wouldn't have known the difference. I finally just pointed at one and said, that's the best. And so that was the batch that got the green light for full-scale production, start the factory. And Fall City was going to make so much of this beer that it couldn't handle the brewing on its own. It licensed Billy Beer to several small outlets across the nation so that Billy Beer could all roll out the same time. And they designed it around the image of Billy. It said Billy in big blue letters, and it had this claim in smaller print.

28:47Jacob? Yep. Brewed expressly for and with the personal approval of one of America's all time great beer drinkers, Billy Carter. It's a pretty good copy. And then even more, there was a personal endorsement from Billy. That was that was the the company speaking. Really leaning in. So on the can, Billy says, I had this beer brewed up just for me. I think it's the best I ever tasted, and I've tasted a lot. I think you'll like it too. It's a very country bumpkin. It's very much in that persona. Do you remember that Billy was drunk and had no detailed memory of the tasting? And when he tried it again, he realized he did not like the taste of his own beer.

29:30He said, I have trouble believing a reputable brewery would pick it. Dude, you picked it. Fine. Contractually had to be seen with Billy beer in his hand, but he would often pour out the contents and fill up the can with vodka. That is kind of a grim turn in our story. That is not as fun. Billy at this point is a pretty serious alcoholic, and he's drinking a lot, and they're parading him around the nation. He would go to these events, and people would sing Hello, Billy to the tune of Hello, Dolly. They had Billy Beer Day in Carter's hometown, complete with a branded hot air balloon. It was one of the wildest days ever in Plains, said Billy.

30:11Everyone in town except the Baptists got drunk. But this huge buzz, as I'm sure you can imagine, did not last long. Like any buzz. Like any buzz. There is a hangover, and that happened in 1978. Distributors start returning the beer to the manufacturer by the caseload. It was discounted. It was a flop. And that year, Fall City Brewing shut down. 1978 was also the same year that Jimmy Carter, the president's approval rating, started to drop. probably not connected. The economy was weak. There's an energy crisis. It was a tough time, and it seemed like everyone needed to just chill and relax and have a good beer, but there were no good beers to be had.

30:57It was the low point of beer in the United States of America. The nation needed an optimistic hero, someone who could show us that there's mourning in America and drink a beautiful craft beer to celebrate it. I'm not referring to Ronald Reagan. He was a wine drinker. I'm referring to the man who will bring back good beer. We will meet him after the break.

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34:46Robert Smith, we're back from the break, and you're about to tell me the story of the birth of craft beer in America, or the rebirth of craft beer in America. We had reached the bottom. Seventies were a dark time for beer. If you didn't like what they were serving, you did not have many options. The five big beer companies controlled 75 % of the market beer oligopoly. And even if you wanted to brew your own beer at home, you were out of luck because it was illegal. When prohibition was repealed, the law allowed for making a small amount of wine at home, but not beer. Essentially, what the law says is that all beer production has to be taxed, but there was no mechanism to collect taxes from homebrewers.

35:31So if you somehow brewed beer and didn't pay taxes because you can't pay taxes, you could be charged and, you know, have to pay up to$5 ,000 fine. The homebrew catch-22. But it was the 70s, and there were some people who were illegally brewing the hop stuff. This included a young Californian named Ken Grossman. Jacob, give us a quote from the Beer Rebel. I don't remember the exact day I made my first batch of homebrew, but it was sometime between junior and senior high. Junior and senior high? He's a little boy making beer. I did what any teenager would and hid my equipment in my closet. Of course my mother found it, but I managed to convince her that it was just an experiment and I wouldn't drink it.

36:17I don't believe him. His mother must have been. Cooler in the 70s. Parents were not paying attention in the 70s. I think you know that. It's hard to believe that anyone would not see what their teenage son was doing. It was also amazing because this was pre-internet. It wasn't something you could just ask AI, how do I make beer at home? Ken Grossman had to figure this out by himself. One of the things he did was to order books from the UK. Like, really, this is underground. Because nobody was brewing beer in America. They were not homebrew books. Yeah. How do I do this? And then he had to find his ingredients at local supermarkets.

36:54He continued homebrewing through high school and into college. And this was his main hobby other than hiking in the Sierra Nevada mountains. Loved the Sierra Nevada. He and his wife had a child, a daughter named Sierra. Heavy foreshadowing. Ken starts to teach others how to homebrew. and they really struggled to get the one thing they really needed to make the beers great, and that was the hops. Beer people love to talk about hops. I'm going to make you talk about hops. Why don't you give me a quote from Ken Grossman? Finding quality hops was nearly impossible because the homebrew trade consumed an insignificant amount of hops and apparently, in the eyes of hop growers and merchants, wasn't worth pursuing.

37:43But then President Jimmy Carter comes to the rescue. This is literally as his brother, Billy, is signing on the dotted line to be the face of Billy Beer, the low point of beer in America. Jimmy Carter is about to create the high point for beer. Now, President Carter did not drink much himself, but he wasn't anti-alcohol. In Georgia, he had lowered the drinking age to 18. he argued, big argument at the time, that if Georgia boys were going to go off to fight in Vietnam, they should be able to down a beer at home. So Carter's not anti-alcoholic, just doesn't care for it himself. And on October 14th, 1978, he signs a federal transportation bill, H.R.

38:271337, into law. It's about taxing trucks and buses. But it also held an amendment, an amendment that solved this tax problem for beer. The amendment said any adult may, without payment or tax, produce beer for his personal or family use and not for sale. The aggregate amount shall not exceed 200 gallons per calendar year. If there are two or more adults, 100 gallons, if there's only one adult, whatever, quite dull language. But in his book, Beyond the Pale, great title, Beyond the Pale, Ken Grossman calls this the turning point. This is the turning point for beer. President Carter has done what his brother could not inspire beautiful beer.

39:16The homebrewers start to come out of the cold. They start having trade shows, start homebrew supply shops. There's a whole generation that's learning a more sophisticated palate. And eventually, and this was the key, they start to make small breweries to make larger batches of this beer that they had perfected at home. Ken Grossman is one of these brewers. He borrowed 50 grand from his friends and family and then another 50 grand. and they beg, borrow, and scavenge pipework and vats and bottling machines. And after some false starts, 11, they have 11 failures, they finally mass brew a batch of ale they call Sierra Nevada.

39:58Saw it coming. A beer I drink to this day. Turns out scaling up from homebrew to industrial capacity is quite hard. It is tricky to make a consistent product. You have to keep everything very clean. You have to keep it refrigerated. And it's the thing we talked about before. You have to get by the distributors. The distributors who are dealing with Pabst and Budweiser, they don't want to talk to Ken Grossman for his like three cases of beer. It is quite inefficient for them to do that. It is costly for them to do that. It is rational for them to not talk to him. What it means is that Ken has to take on that inefficiency himself.

40:30He has to get in his car and visit local taverns and restaurants and ask them individually to stock Sierra Nevada or to ask their distributors. Right. They can't even buy it from him. Right. He has to get them to ask their distributor to sell it to them. But these homebrewers turned industrial brewers are a clever lot. And they figure out that there are loopholes to this distributor thing. And you know what's coming. You can open a brew pub, which I remember at the time, I'm like, this is incredible. They brew the beer and whatever, they serve you some French fries. And you can drink their beer and see it being made behind the glass.

41:07And in fact, these brew pubs, tap rooms, sometimes they're called, they're slightly different. they're enabled by these state laws that start getting passed in the 80s. They are part of this shift. And it is very much, as we've seen through this story, a legal and regulatory story all the way through. And a little bit about taste. If in the 50s and 60s people wanted this bland industrial taste, by the 80s people are starting to seek out things that are different. Finding a new beer, telling your friends about you're not going to believe this IPA I found. Food and being more into food goes with that.

41:39Having particular sophisticated taste in food is more of a thing. And it was a big breakthrough to have regional beer. Regional foods were a thing, but when you thought like, oh, beers can taste different everywhere you go, this becomes a kind of collect them all thing. It was big. But microbrews, I guess micro is in the name, was still a small business in America. It's going to take one more person to really make this an industry, craft brewing. His name is Jim Cook. And Jim Cook was not a brewer, but he had roots back in the brewing industry. The way he tells the story is he found an old family recipe for beer, found it in his parents' attic.

42:26And he tries to recreate it in the kitchen, and it ends up stripping the wallpaper off the walls. But he persists. He wants to make his own homebrew. But more importantly, Jim has a day job and his day job is at the Boston Consulting Group. He is a consultant, a businessman at heart. And he starts to think about this as a business proposition. How can I leverage capital? How can I leverage scale for this recipe that I love? What he figures out is he doesn't need his own brewery and employees. That's the hardest part is buying all the vats and brewing the actual beer. He realizes that all around the country are breweries with excess capacity.

43:10They have times where the vats are empty. And he thinks, what if I can just hire out the vat space, hire out the brewmasters and the employees to make my recipe? I can put my name and my recipe in the bottle and have someone else sort of take on the capital risk. This eliminates a huge amount of risk. I mean, starting a brewery, building a brewery from nothing when you haven't sold any beer is extremely risky. And if you have capacity just sitting there, you would imagine people would rent it out to you quite cheaply. The marginal cost to them is low, and they should pass that low cost on to you.

43:51It's really a lovely big idea. I will also say that these big factories have refrigeration, and so they're able to make that German-style lager, the one that requires a whole cold chain to make. And Cook launches his baby. Sam Adams Boston Lager, another great beer. And it's not a light lager. It's sort of bready and bitter, and it immediately wins best beer in America, which, of course, they put on the bottle. And this was the real breakthrough. Craft brewers rise all over the United States. Brew pubs are in every small town. And to this day, Boston Beer Company that makes Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada are in the top 10 list of brewers in the United States by size, and they sell their products around the world.

44:38I was shocked, honestly, that they're both still independent because what we've seen a lot is there are a few giant beer conglomerates that are sort of have come down from the big beer companies that were dominant in the in the Billy Beer era that still exist. And what they've done is bought up a lot of the craft brewers. So so there'll be a beer that is a craft beer by a certain sense that tastes interesting, maybe, but it's owned by a giant company. It's impressive to me in a way that both Sam Adams and Sierra Nevada are still independent. Yeah, these big companies are doing what they probably should have done back in the 1950s, which is, you know, I can walk into a place that only has Budweiser products, but also get Goose Island, you know, IPA, which was a regional brewer.

45:21And I think Goose Island is AB InBev, right? Yeah, which was a craft brewer in Chicago that is now nationwide because of the distributors. Here at the end of the show, let's go back to our two main characters, Jimmy Carter and Billy Carter. Jimmy Carter, of course, lost his reelection bid in a landslide to Ronald Reagan, who, as I said, was a wine drinker and does not feature in this story. Carter would go on to become one of the most respected ex-presidents in history, and he won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2002. Billy Carter's story is tougher. It's sad. He was a severe alcoholic by the end of Carter's presidency.

46:00He said, basically, from October to December of 1978, I didn't do anything but drink. He was behaving erratically. He urinated on an airport runway, which was big news at the time. He started to work as a paid agent for Libya's Muammar Gaddafi. And it became known as Billy Gate, maybe one of the first post-Watergate other gates. I was looking at this. there was apparently a Bananagate in 1974, like right around the time of Watergate, very soon after. It had to do something to payments to a Central American government by a fruit company. Bananagate and Billigate. So the second gate, perhaps. Doubtful.

46:40Billy Carter went into a hospital to dry out, and he stayed sober after rehab, although he admitted, It feels funny not having a beer can in my hand. He died at the age of 51. I'd hoped to order a can of Billy beer we could taste here. Couldn't do it, but I read about what it did taste like. And I assumed it was going to be a terrible light beer like Pabst, but it was not. When Billy's son tried the beer, his quote was, it was strong and heavy and a couple could kick my young ass all over town. I don't know why his young son's drinking the beer, but sure, sure, sure. One of the brewers said that Billy Carter, in his drunken haze, had actually picked one of the more complex test recipes put before him.

47:30He said it had a combination of three tastes, soft, a little on the light beer side, and hoppy with a strong aftertaste. It was probably, and this is a quote, too sophisticated for American tastes. When he launched Billy Beer, people were expecting that blandness, that sweetness, not bitterness and hoppiness. And in 1978, Billy Beer may not have been bland enough for the mass market. Makes me think, I don't know, maybe if he had launched it 20 years later, the craft brewing craze, maybe you could have walked into one of these giant beer bars that have the 127 taps and said, you know, I'm going to try the Billy Beer.

48:15I hear it's a regional brew named after the brother of a popular ex-president. So we've done a beer show now. Yes. Do you have other ideas for beer shows for us or closer to my heart, other ideas for tax and regulation shows. Are you talking about whiskey? Email us at businesshistory at pushkin.fm or get in touch with us on Twitter. I'm at Jacob Goldstein. You're at Radio Smith. I'm on LinkedIn. We do love to hear from you. Today's show was produced by Gabriel Hunter Chang. It was engineered by Sarah Bruguer. Our video editor, who puts us on YouTube, is Matt Nielsen. And our showrunner, and editor who did most of the work on this show.

49:02He did. Respect. Is one Ryan Dilley. I'm Jacob Goldstein. And I'm Robert Smith. Thanks for listening. Before you sign off, you tuned in for ways to help teams move faster, make sharper decisions, and turn scattered contexts into work they can use. ChatGPT for Business can help. ChatGPT for Business gives teams a shared workspace with admin controls, permissions, and access to work and codecs in ChatGPT. This means your business can move from question to answer and code to rollout quicker. Join over 10 million business and enterprise users worldwide already using ChatGPT for work. Download the ChatGPT desktop app or contact sales to learn more.

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President Jimmy Carter had a brother, and this brother LOVED beer. Billy Carter was a big 1970s celebrity and a struggling brewery decided to bet on him to revive its fortunes. Together they created Billy Beer and launched a huge ad campaign. The beverage was a global sensation... except nobody including Billy liked the taste. Billy Beer was a flop.  

Billy Beer was emblematic of American brewing at the time. It was all bad beer and gimmicky marketing. Coincidentally, it was Jimmy Carter who would change that. He signed a new tax law that kickstarted the craft beer revolution which brought us some of modern America's most popular brews. 

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