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Podcast Episode Summary: Flipping the Bird: Elon vs Twitter | Assassination Coordinates | 5
Episode Overview In this episode of Business Wars, titled "Flipping the Bird: Elon vs Twitter," the episode explores the tumultuous transition of Twitter under Elon Musk's leadership. It covers Musk's controversial management style, the mass resignations that followed his ultimatum to Twitter employees, significant policy changes, and the contentious dynamics between free speech and content moderation on the platform.
Key Themes and Discussions
- Elon Musk's Management Style
- Musk sent a controversial email to Twitter employees demanding an "extremely hardcore" work ethic, leading to chaos within the organization.
- Many employees were left uncertain, with the ultimatum causing significant resignations, approximately 1,200 in one week.
- As the workforce shrank significantly, Musk and his team faced growing panic about the potential operational collapse of Twitter.
- Public Response and Internal Chaos
- The public reacted with skepticism and humor, using hashtags like RIP Twitter to express concerns about the platform's viability.
- Reports of chaos included teams resigning en masse and employees expressing frustration in internal chats.
- Despite fears, the episode suggests that the platform's technical stability remained intact, underscoring the resilience of tech infrastructures.
- Free Speech vs. Content Moderation
- Musk's approach to free speech resulted in high-profile reinstatements of controversial figures, such as Donald Trump and Kanye West, which led to further public scrutiny.
- The episode delves into the Twitter Files, which Musk made public to reveal past content moderation practices, sparking debates over political bias and transparency.
- Reactions to the files were mixed, with some praising Musk's attempts at transparency while others pointed out the selective nature of the information presented.
- Musk’s Personal Safety and Policy Changes
- The episode highlights a significant shift in Musk's attitude towards safety following a stalking incident involving his son, leading to the suspension of the ElonJet account.
- Musk enacted a ban on accounts sharing real-time location information, marking a stark contrast to his previously stated commitment to free speech.
- This led to the suspension of several journalists who reported on these policies, raising concerns about censorship and journalistic freedom.
- Public and Internal Backlash
- The public was sharply divided over Musk's policies, with some supporters praising his commitment to free speech while critics condemned his unilateral decision-making.
- Musk faced backlash even from his allies, with discussions on platforms like the All In podcast expressing concerns about his management decisions aligning with those of previous administrations he criticized.
- Musk’s Response to Criticism
- Despite facing significant public criticism, Musk continued to make bold decisions, including reinstating suspended accounts and altering policies on the fly.
- His actions led to a poll asking if he should step down as CEO, with a majority voting for his resignation, reflecting his diminishing popularity.
Conclusion and Next Steps The episode concludes with a sense of impending change within Twitter, as Musk acknowledges the challenges ahead and the need for a reliable executive team to stabilize the company. The narrative suggests that Musk's aggressive management style and controversial policies may lead to both internal and external transformations of Twitter.
Upcoming in the Series The next episode promises to delve deeper into the challenges Musk faces as he navigates his controversial tenure at Twitter and the implications of his leadership on the platform's future.
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This summary captures the essence of the episode, outlining the key discussions, themes, and events that shaped Musk's controversial leadership of Twitter during this period.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:10Elon Musk had sent Twitter employees an email with an ultimatum. My extremely hardcore way. Or the highway. Many Twitter employees had feared this message, this culture from the very beginning. And now, they had just till the end of the day tomorrow to decide. Do I stay? Or do I go? The vast majority of people were like, what the hell is he thinking? What is he talking about? Zoe Schiffer covers Twitter for Platformer. If you're trying to rally the troops, to me, this is just so not the way to do it. The email quickly caused chaos. Beyond the alarming message, it contained a link to a Google form, which gave only one option.
0:56Yes, I'm in. Twitter employees wondered if the email was even real or if it was spam. And then the transition team, the people that Twitter employees called the goons, followed up and were like, no, this is legit. Please click the link if you want to stay. And so it was kind of mayhem internally. A lot of employees didn't want to stay. A whole bunch of people had not signed the email and they started trying to shut off accounts. And they realized that a lot of people who they really needed at the company were effectively resigning. Elon and the goons quickly realized that they had miscalculated.
1:36His plan had been to keep only the true believers, to get rid of the employees who didn't want to be a part of Elon's Twitter. But even he knew he couldn't run Twitter without some semblance of a workforce. When they realized what they'd done, his advisors started to panic. And so then they had to personally call those people and say like, hey, can you, you know, please reevaluate your decision? Would you consider staying? By the time the Thursday deadline rolled around, Elon's attempt to reset the company after the chaos of the mass layoffs and the disastrous Twitter blue rollout had just turned into another mess.
2:13The New York Times is reporting that as many as 1 ,200 employees resigned this week. Now, sources tell CNBC Twitter's headquarters and all of its offices will be closed until Monday, and engineers and other employees posted goodbye messages to group chats. As questions mount over Twitter's future, Elon Musk offered little reassurance he has a permanent plan, tweeting, what should Twitter do next? One ally stuck with Elon through the continued chaos. Jack Dorsey. He tweeted out his belief in Twitter's future under Elon. Twitter will survive and thrive, but it'll take some time. When asked if Twitter's survival depended on a change in management, Jack was unequivocal.
2:56Yes, it going public to private was critical, and I'm very grateful for that. With 1 ,200 more employees gone, Twitter's workforce was about two-thirds smaller than it had been just a few weeks earlier. People both inside the company and out were now worried that the site was going to break. Possibly even that night. The hashtag RIP Twitter trended, flooding timelines with sarcastic memes, earnest eulogies, and angry shots at Elon. It's been a pleasure tweeting with y 'all the past 13 years. Elon always thinks he's the smartest person in the room. He's about to be standing in an empty room, and it still won't be true.
3:39I just tried sending a tweet to someone by a DM, and it sent the wrong one. Twitter's already starting to fail. RIP Twitter. Reports circulated about internal chaos, that certain teams critical to the site had resigned en masse. There were unconfirmed stories of employees getting stuck in the parking garage after their badges had been turned off. But it turned out reports of Twitter's death were greatly exaggerated. Everyone was like, this is it, this is the end, goodbye everyone. And I looked at that and was like, okay, clearly a lot of these people have never worked in a tech company, Like, this isn't how tech companies work.
4:19They do so much work over the years to make the sites stable so that it can operate for a really long time without that many people. Twitter did not die on that November night. But with what happened next, some people may wish it had. Because soon after Elon lost control of his workforce, he took his chaotic reign directly towards the users.
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6:56From Wondery, I'm David Brown, the host of Business Wars, and this is Flipping the Bird, Elon vs. Twitter. This is Episode 5, Assassination Coordinates.
7:33It had been just over two weeks since Elon Musk sent his email demanding his employees be extremely hardcore. His deputies had begun asking employees to refer their friends. He needed more people to keep key functions going. Now, Elon was boarding his$70 million Gulfstream jet in Oakland, heading to Washington, D.C. Elon, can you hear us? Awesome. Elon, can you hear us? I think he's up. It takes a while to load. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you now. Fantastic. Sorry, guys. I think there's maybe some glitches in the spaces that we need to fix. I'll dig into it next week. Elon had been extremely busy, barely sleeping.
8:19But he didn't rest. He decided to spend most of the flight chatting with users on Twitter spaces. I do have a lot of shit going on right now. And also, I've got to make sure Twitter is stable from a financial standpoint and is not losing tons of money and going bankrupt. So, you know, we're juggling a lot of things here, to say the least. The connection wasn't great, but it was Elon's own satellite internet system, Starlink, that was allowing him to participate. At its peak, 100 ,000 users crowded into the virtual room to listen and interact directly with Elon. I was just saying how cool it is that you talked to us from your private jet.
8:59We really appreciate it. It's like a typical Elon moment. And we're just all in awe about you taking these risks to your business and to yourself to fight for free speech. Elon had spent the past couple of weeks making Twitter his version of the free speech haven he wanted it to be. Despite the threat it posed to his already dwindling advertising revenue, Elon reinstated Donald Trump's Twitter account after running a snap poll that came out in favor of the former president. But Trump had declined to return to Twitter, preferring to keep posting on the platform he owned, Truth Social. When Twitter had allowed Kanye West to return to the site just before the takeover, Elon had enthusiastically tweeted, Welcome back to Twitter, my friend.
9:48his friend who had been suspended for posting anti-Semitic tweets. But just two nights before this Twitter Spaces event, Elon had to ban him again after Kanye posted an image of swastikas. I think it's important that people know, okay, that was my decision. At some point, you have to say, what is incitement to violence? Because that is against the law in the U.S. Turns out, these kind of content moderation decisions weren't easy. I think, you know, posting swastikas is an incitement to violence. I personally wanted to punch Kanye, so that was definitely inciting me to violence. He reminded his audience that running Twitter and defending free speech was putting him in danger.
10:29Frankly, the risk of something bad happening to me, of even literally being shot, is quite significant. I'm definitely not going to be, you know, doing any open-air car parades, let me put it that way. Maybe he was referring to the fact that he was in the midst of his biggest push yet to promote his idea of free speech and transparency. Elon had recently given a few hand-picked journalists access to Twitter's internal documents so they could see how the old Twitter had made content moderation decisions that supposedly suppressed conservative voices and amplified liberal ones. The journalists claimed to reveal how Twitter had worked inappropriately with government agencies to ban certain content.
11:11The expose was called the Twitter files. You know, on the Twitter file stuff, I mean, the idea here is simply to come clean on everything that has happened in the past in order to build public trust for the future. I think that's essential. Like, why should people believe Twitter in the future if Twitter does not come clean about the past? The night before, one of the journalists involved, Matt Taibbi, had tweeted out the revelations. Here's Taibbi talking with Maria Bartiromo on Fox News. I think the major revelation of the Twitter file so far is that we've discovered an elaborate bureaucracy of what you might call public-private censorship, typically through the DHS and the FBI, but these requests were coming from basically every agency in the government.
11:57and in many cases, Twitter is complying. Taibbi had unspooled these revelations over 41 tweets several minutes apart. He shared screenshots from emails and Slack messages that showed how Twitter employees came to the decision that the New York Post story about Hunter Biden's laptop violated their policy against posting hacked materials and banned the link. Erin Wu covers Twitter for the information, and she had watched the tweets slowly trickle in. It's essentially a look at how content moderation was happening within Twitter, using a lot of Slack messages and internal emails and things that are really interesting, like things that do in a way offer kind of an unprecedented look into how a major social media company is making these decisions.
12:47On Twitter spaces, Elon shared what he believed the Twitter files uncovered. It's just obvious that there's been a lot of controlled information, suppression of information, including things that affected elections. But to other observers, it was something else entirely. It ended up being something that gave some interesting insights into the ways that Twitter employees were making these decisions. But I don't think that it was something that led to the kind of bombshell that he was hoping for. there was like no evidence of collusion or anything like that. Rather than a smoking gun, observers were divided over what the files showed or didn't show.
13:29Some, like Elon, saw collusion between politicians and content moderators, a pattern of suppression, while others raised suspicions about Elon's handpicked selection of journalists and wondered what the fuss was all about. They saw a company engaging in the tough and messy conversations about what content moderation looked like in practice. The rollout of the Twitter files, predictably, included some missteps. There were a few cases where I think we should have excluded some email addresses. Yep, names and email addresses of Twitter employees had appeared all over unredacted documents, doxing them and putting them at risk.
14:11And perhaps most embarrassing for Elon, That included Jack Dorsey's private email. Sorry, Jack. Jack at Pizza is now, you know, it might be in a different email address. So we often need to not have email addresses in there. But it wasn't sharing his email address that had rubbed Jack the wrong way about the project. If the goal is transparency to build trust, why not just release everything without filter and let people judge for themselves, including all discussions around current and future actions. Make everything public now. Jack called Elon out for doing the very thing he railed against, cherry-picking and gatekeeping information.
14:56The thing about the Twitter files is that the way that they were rolled out and the writers that he chose to work with him on this turned the release of the files themselves into this really partisan event where it was hard to know what was being released compared to the bigger picture of what was going on because of kind of the selective nature of how that information was released. But the crowd on Spaces was appreciative of the Twitter files. And Elon. You know, there are a lot of people in the last decade that have lost hope because what's happening in politics, what's happening in the media, There's so much frustration.
15:41And I think the most important thing that you've done here, Elon, with your steps that you are taking, is to give people hope again. Well, great. I mean, I'm really glad to hear that. And like I said, I'll do my best here. A lot of us have been fighting this culture war for free speech, basically. And, you know, I think a lot of people have lost hope because they didn't see anyone caring about it. Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I'm like sort of worried about the future of civilization. You know, just like, are we headed in a good direction? The overarching goal here is that, on balance, that Twitter be a force for good for the future of civilization.
16:21The public was sharply divided on Elon's approach to free speech on Twitter. Like so much in America today, it really depended on your point of view. On Twitter spaces, fans of Elon were praising him for being on the front lines of the culture wars. Inside the Chase Center in San Francisco was a different story Less than two weeks later another front-line combatant in today's culture wars was on stage Dave Chappelle co-headlining a show with fellow comedian Chris Rock 18 ,000 people were packed into the arena laughing at edgy jokes about cancel culture, politics and of course how Rock felt about getting slapped by Will Smith at the Oscars As the show was nearing the three-hour mark in the middle of his set, Chappelle brought out a special guest.
17:13Make some noise for the richest man in the world.
17:20Elon strutted onto the stage in black pants and a Twitter t-shirt. There was a smattering of cheers and applause, but the boos kept growing. Hey, Dave. Elon awkwardly paced the stage, following Dave Chappelle around with a mic held limply in his hand. It sounds like some of them people you fired are in the audience.
17:45Anytime Elon tried to talk, they drowned him out.
17:52Dave, what should I say? Don't say nothing. Okay. It'll only spoil the moment. Do you hear that sound, Elon? That's the sound of pending still unrest.
18:08Chappelle tried to keep the show moving, making some jokes about how the people booing had terrible seats. But the heckling wouldn't stop. After what felt like an eternity, Elon thanked Chappelle for having him and headed off stage. I'm at best! Yes, he shouted Chappelle's famous line, I'm rich, bitch, on his way out. If Elon was affected by being booed on stage for almost 10 whole minutes, he didn't take it as a sign to slow down the pursuit of his vision for a, quote-unquote, free Twitter. His next target, Twitter's Trust and Safety Council. This was an outside group of experts that had advised the company on how to address issues like hate speech and abuse on the site.
18:53The council worked as volunteers. Marcin de Kaminski was a member of that council and is the director of security and innovation at a human rights organization in Sweden. The Trust and Safety Council played an important role for making the platform safer because part of the conversation that we had with Twitter was always on looking at the most vulnerable users that they have on their platforms. Marchin had firsthand experience on how vital Twitter's role was in protecting those vulnerable users. His organization worked with activists in some of the most repressive countries in the world. Twitter had been a bastion of activity among human rights and democracy activists.
19:37Think Arab Spring. Twitter invited people like Marchin onto its Trust and Safety Council. It sought their feedback and changed their product to serve their needs. One women's rights activist Marchin had worked with in an East African country had her address posted on Twitter. A literal mob had formed outside her gates. A journalist he worked with in Central Asia was detained by the government, who then took over his account to identify and target the journalist's network. People like colleagues, sources, and family. Both times, Marchin reached out to his contacts at Twitter, who had immediately sprung into action, blocking accounts and taking down the offending posts.
20:20They did it urgently because they understood that this is a matter of not only a social media account, but actually a matter of life and death, possibly. Now, when Marchand reached out to his contacts at Twitter, no one responded. And Twitter had repeatedly pushed back the date on the next Trust and Safety Council meeting. First, a week, then a month. The week before, three key members of the council resigned because of Musk. In a press release, they said, It is clear from research evidence that, contrary to claims by Elon Musk, the safety and well-being of Twitter's users are on the decline. They pointed to reports that showed a clear spike in hate speech since Elon had taken over, particularly slurs against black people and gay men, as well as a rise in anti-Semitic posts.
21:11So as Marcin was getting ready for the first meeting of what was left of the Trust and Safety Council since Elon took over, he was anxious. Since Elon Musk took over the leadership of Twitter, he has been very clear on the fact that the Trust and Safety Council was about to be reformed. Exactly how, we didn't know initially. But less than an hour before the meeting. We got an email saying that the meeting was canceled, Trust and Safety Council was dissolved. We were not prepared to have this drastic turnover in the relation with Twitter. And it also worries us because the activists that we work with, they are still using Twitter as one of their main platforms for advocacy, for coordination and for organizing.
22:01By the end of the following week, almost everyone Marchand had worked with at Twitter was gone. Elon was rapidly removing the guardrails that kept users safe on Twitter. This, to Elon, was what a free and open town square should look like. But suddenly, when he felt like he was a target, he took a very different approach to regulating free speech on Twitter. He'd take care of it by himself.
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25:26The Twitter account ElonJet had bothered Elon for years. ElonJet, as the name implies, tracked the comings and goings of Elon Musk's personal jet. It was run by a 20-year-old college student named Jack Sweeney, who was a big fan of Elon's. And the account was a big hit with other fans of Elon's. But Elon hated it so much, he'd once even tried to pay the kid who ran it$5 ,000 to take it down. It was sort of a high-profile account and one that had interacted with Elon and also directly seemed to be about him. BuzzFeed senior tech reporter Katie Notopoulos was at home on the morning of December 14th, doing what any good internet culture writer would, scrolling through Twitter.
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26:12I am on Twitter all day. I check it, you know, right when I wake up and it's like the last thing I look at before I go to bed, which I don't recommend anyone does that. She noticed a bunch of tweets claiming that Elon Musk had suspended the account of Elon Jet. He would prefer it not to exist. Here's this guy who puts himself out there as being so pro-environment with electric cars, but meanwhile he's flying all over the place in this private jet, which is not good for the environment. Elon Jet had more than a half a million followers. People are just obsessed with Elon Musk and what he's up to.
26:47The flight information it shared was publicly available. The FAA requires that aircraft broadcast their location for safety reasons. And that information is regularly published by people with compatible radio receivers. And Elon had made a big deal when he bought Twitter that he would not ban the account. My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk. Now, he was doing exactly what he said he wouldn't. Any account doxing real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation.
27:26This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info. This was kind of, huh, what's going on? This is sort of out of nowhere. Elon was sharing a brand new Twitter policy. A man who had seemed to not care very much about doxing or safety in the past was now drawing a hard line. Thirty minutes later, he tweeted, why? Last night, car carrying Lil X in L.A. was followed by Crazy Stalker, thinking it was me, who later blocked car from moving and climbed onto Hood. Lil X was Elon's two-year-old son. Elon followed up with a video a member of his security team shot. It showed a young man sitting in a white Hyundai, holding up his phone.
28:09He wore a black hoodie with the hood pulled tight around his head and a black face mask, obscuring his identity. Anyone recognize this person or car? Elon was understandably freaked out. His family had been in danger. And he was suggesting the stalker found out where his son was by knowing where his jet was. So he responded unilaterally by banning Elon Jet from Twitter and changing Twitter policy to justify his ban. It was one more thing in what felt like a chain of things, making it seem like the inmates were running the asylum. He could kind of control things. He could suspend people. He could change the rules on the fly.
28:55Elon quickly banned other accounts that tracked flights. And after Elon Jet popped up on Twitter rival Mastodon, Twitter blocked all links to that site's server. Then, Twitter announced a policy banning links to any outside social media platforms. Reporters were asking lots of questions, including, how exactly was an account that shared publicly available flight information considered to be doxing? The next day, Katie got a shocking text in a tech reporter group chat. Oh my God, my Twitter account has just been suspended. The text was from reporter Ryan Mack, who had been covering Elon's Twitter takeover for the New York Times.
29:39And so, you know, we went and looked at his and we were like, oh my God, it's gone. And it wasn't just him. Names of other journalists who had also been permanently suspended from Twitter started popping up. And presumably, most of these people weren't, you know, doing the kinds of things that normally would get you like a permanent suspension, like harassing someone, posting extreme, horrible content of some kind. These were well-credentialed journalists with one thing in common. And the fact that these people all had been covering Elon Musk and Twitter somewhat critically, somewhat adversarially, certainly was eyebrow raising.
30:24I mean, it seemed like essentially he was doing something that he had criticized the previous Twitter administration for doing. It was alarming and wildly absurd. My friends and I and Ryan were all sort of joking around. I said, oh, we should do a Twitter space and, you know, treat us as sort of memorial for Ryan because RIP, his account is dead. Word spread about poor Ryan's digital Viking funeral. Ryan Mack has deserved to be banned for years now. And frankly, you know, I think we all appreciate that it's finally caught up with him. Ryan is, you know, he's funny and, you know, and he's a great reporter, too.
31:07So we wanted to sort of like a little bit make fun of him. You know, he tweets about his car, about soccer, you know, and no one wants that. He does that thing that they do where he'll tweet like, blimey, at like seven in the morning. I think at this point, you know, 30 ,000 people were tuning in. And then all of a sudden, there was a surprise guest. One of my friends said, oh my God, Elon Musk just joined. I clicked on his little profile and invited him to speak. Just an hour earlier, Elon had made his position clear with a tweet. Same doxing rules apply to journalists as to everyone else. They posted my exact real-time location, basically assassination coordinates, in obvious direct violation of Twitter terms of service information.
31:58Now, Katie and her fellow journalists would be able to ask Elon about his position directly. In that moment, I was a little bit like, uh-oh, how do I navigate this? I just real quick, Elon, thank you for joining. I am hoping that you can give a little more context about what has happened. I wasn't sure if he would accept or not. And lo and behold, all of a sudden, his little icon bubble came up to the speaker's list. Yeah. As I'm sure everyone who's been doxing would agree, you know, showing real time information about somebody's location is inappropriate. Washington Post reporter Drew Harwell, one of the suspended journalists who still managed to log on, pushed back.
32:49I mean, you're suggesting that we're sharing your address, which is not true. And you're suggesting that we're posting. We never, I never posted your address. You posted a link to the address. We posted a link. In the course of reporting about Elon Jet, we posted links to Elon Jet, which are now not online and now banned on Twitter. And using, you know, we have to admit, acknowledge, using the same exact link blocking technique that you have criticized as part of the Hunter Biden New York Post story in 2020. So what is different here and there? It's no more acceptable for me, for you than it is for me.
33:36Same thing. So anyway. So it's unacceptable what you're doing? No. You dox, you get suspended, end of story. That's it. As Katie tried to get out a question about Elon making these decisions himself, she noticed that he had gone quiet. Oh, I think Elon has left. The reporters continued chatting for about 30 minutes, but then the space went dark. All of a sudden, abruptly, on my phone, the screen, you know, went black and the space cut out completely. I saw all these people tweeting at me. What happened? My space just cut out. Someone at Twitter had shut spaces down. Most people had a guess who had ordered that.
34:23So it really just felt like, okay, this really is just a platform being ruled by a dictator who does things on his own whims. Twitter had always had its challenges of deciding where the line should be drawn between free speech and hate speech, between transparency and privacy. But it had never been run by decree. One single individual making snap decisions, turning on and off features, personally banning journalists when he didn't like what they had to say. Even some of his longtime allies were now questioning the lines he was crossing. I think it was a bad decision, and I think that it represented, the least generous statement would be that it represents deep hypocrisy.
35:10Elon was a frequent topic of discussion and adoration on the All In podcast with Chamath Palihipatia, Jason Calacanis, David Sachs, and David Friedberg. And Friedberg and Palihipatia had a lot to say. And then he came in and did exactly what the old regime did, which is that he took the rules and he took the, quote, moderation policies, and he found a way to use them to make some editorialized decisions that he thought was appropriate. I think that if there's any person in the world that can figure out Twitter, it's probably Elon. But man, has he taken on just a gargantuan battle. And increasingly, I am not a fan of this battle.
35:50And I'll tell you why. This is a man who has essentially proven that he can bend the laws of physics on behalf of humanity. He's done it twice. Once in electric cars and once in rocketry. The problem is that the realm of decision-making at Twitter has nothing to do with the laws of physics and is governed by emotions and psychology, in which there is no canonically right answer. And so he's quickly finding out that half the population will always find fault with him, no matter what he does. Just six weeks earlier, the All In crew had almost messianic visions for what Elon was going to do with Twitter.
36:30Now, even they were ready for an end to this chaos. And so I think that hopefully he gets all this shit under control over there. He finds a good executive team. I would like to see him get back to landing rockets on barges, getting to Mars. Let's do it. Finish self-driving. Elon backtracked. He unbanned the journalists' accounts. He tweaked the policy banning links to Mastodon, the rival social media platform, so it only applied to bots. He restored Twitter spaces, and he more or less promised that any time there was a tough decision on Twitter, he would post a Twitter poll and let the people decide.
37:17And then, he did just that. From Qatar, where he'd spent the day watching the thrilling World Cup final in a skybox with Jared Kushner, he posted a new poll. Should I step down as head of Twitter? I will abide by the results of this poll. Yes, no. It was the wee hours of the morning in Qatar. Elon probably should have been asleep, but here he was watching the yeses take the lead. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it. The question is not finding a CEO. The question is finding a CEO who can keep Twitter alive. When a user volunteered to take over as CEO for no salary, Elon tweeted back, You must like pain a lot.
38:09One catch, you have to invest your life savings in Twitter, and it has been in the fast lane to bankruptcy since May. Still want the job? Maybe it was the late hour, the jet lag, or the accumulation of self-inflicted wounds, But Elon seemed like he had possibly reached a breaking point. When the poll closed, 58 % of voters were asking Elon to step down. But Elon didn't respond. He was uncharacteristically quiet. Two days later, he joined another Twitter spaces. He sounded tired and frustrated. Well, bear in mind, like, you know, the acquisition only closed like six weeks ago. So this is probably the biggest amount of change that has happened in an acquisition, possibly in history.
39:03He admitted that some of his actions, like banning links to rival sites, had been a mistake. Can people post Mastodon now? Yeah, fucking post Mastodon all goddamn day long. I don't care. And when a user asked him about free speech directly, he didn't launch into his usual ideological talking points. Well, I mean, free speech, let me tell you, if somebody's got to pay the servers, okay, so the speech has got to cost at least$8. Because otherwise, how do we pay the friggin' server bill? You know, there's like a billion and a half-ish, you know, of all-in server-related costs. The job was hard. Running Twitter cost money, and the stakes were high.
39:53In the past, pushing companies to the edge of disaster had been the fuel that drove him. It had worked when Tesla flirted with bankruptcy and SpaceX launched rockets that exploded after takeoff. But running Twitter seemed to have gotten the best of him. This company is like basically you're in a plane that is headed towards the ground at high speed with the engines on fire and the controls don't work. Never mind that Elon was the one who'd set the plane on fire. He didn't seem to be able to stop pouring gasoline on it. Two days after users voted for him to resign in his poll, Elon finally wrote a reply.
40:35I will resign as CEO as soon as I find someone foolish enough to take the job. But who would he choose? Or perhaps the better question was, Would he even choose anyone at all? People were like, my man is paying$44 billion just to get his tweets boosted. My dog is the CEO. Okay, he's a great dog. That's on the next and final episode of Flipping the Bird.
41:14From Wondery, this is episode 5 of 6 of Flipping the Bird, Elon vs. Twitter. I'm your host, David Brown. Austin Rackless wrote this story. Our producers are Nika Singh and Dave Schilling. Julia Lowry-Henderson and Karen Lowe are our senior producers. Reporting by Emily Corwin. Production assistance by Emily Locke and Mariah Dennis. Fact-checking by Nawal Anjani. Consultant is Kurt Wagner, Bloomberg journalist and author of an upcoming book about Twitter and Elon Musk. Sound design by Kyle Randall. Music supervisor is Scott Velasquez for Frieson Sync. Senior managing producer is Lutha Pandya. Managing producer is Olivia Weber.
41:56Coordinating producer is Heather Beloga. Executive producers are Jenny Lauer-Beckman, George Lavender, Marshall Louis, and Jen Sargent for Wondering.
42:25How hard is it to kill a planet? Maybe all it takes is a little drilling, some mining, and a whole lot of carbon pumped into the atmosphere. When you see what's left, it starts to look like a crime scene. Are we really safe? Is our water safe? You destroyed our town. And crimes like that, they don't just happen. We call things accidents. There is no accident. This was 100 % preventable. They're the result of choices by people. Ruthless oil tycoons, corrupt politicians, even organized crime. These are the stories we need to be telling about our changing planet. stories of scams, murders, and cover-ups that are about us and the things we're doing to either protect the Earth or destroy it.
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