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Business Wars Podcast Episode Summary
Episode Title
Fox News vs CNN | Cheerleader in Chief | 3
Episode Description
In the wake of the September 11 attacks, CNN and Fox News compete fiercely to inform the nation as the events unfold, leading to distinctive approaches in their coverage of the War on Terror. This episode explores how the rivalry between these two news giants develops during a critical time in American history.
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Key Themes and Highlights
Introduction to the Context (September 11, 2001)
- CNN's Response:
- Managing editor Kevin McAllister juggles multiple calls while overseeing live footage of the tragedy in New York City.
- Urgent decisions made regarding graphic content to air.
- CNN's immediate ratings spike with 7.7 million viewers on the night of the attacks.
- Fox News' Strategy:
- Though initially behind in viewers, Fox News begins to position itself strategically to capture audience attention during crises.
Diverging Coverage and Approaches
- CNN's Strengths:
- More foreign news bureaus and exclusive rights to Al Jazeera footage.
- Fox News' Pivot:
- Focused on presenting a patriotic narrative, adopting a more opinionated and emotional style.
- Builds a reputation for being "America’s cheerleader" during the War on Terror.
Key Personnel Movements
- Defections:
- CNN correspondent Steve Harrigan considers jumping to Fox News, highlighting discontent within CNN regarding support for their field reporters.
- Ailes' Vision for Fox News:
- Roger Ailes’ strategic focus on appealing to emotional responses rather than strictly news reporting helps Fox gain traction.
The Ratings Race
- Initial Gains for CNN:
- Following the onset of war, CNN briefly enjoys a ratings uplift.
- Fox's Ascent:
- Over time, Fox News begins to dominate, with its presentation style winning viewers.
- By January 2002, Fox surpasses CNN in average viewership for the first time.
CNN's Internal Challenges
- Management Discussions:
- Walter Isaacson leads discussions about the need to stick to straight news reporting.
- Concerns about MSNBC's adoption of a similar style to Fox create pressure for CNN to differentiate itself.
- Mergers and Strategy:
- Talks of a potential merger with ABC News to cut costs and bolster competitive strength.
Iraq War Coverage (March 2003)
- Media Presentation:
- Both networks ramp up coverage of the Iraq War.
- Fox News employs emotional storytelling and patriotic displays, while CNN maintains a more serious tone.
- Fox's Victory Moment:
- The toppling of Saddam Hussein's statue becomes a significant moment for Fox, symbolizing victory and earning high ratings.
Long-Term Implications
- Fox’s Growth:
- Fox News utilizes its ratings success to secure top-tier talent and expand its brand.
- CNN struggles to regain its former glory, often unable to attract viewers with its traditional news style.
- Cultural Impact:
- Fox's success leads to a significant shift in the news landscape, with increasing polarization in media consumption.
Conclusion
- The episode encapsulates a critical period in American media history, illustrating how the response to major national crises shaped the competitive landscape between CNN and Fox News. The shift in audience preferences towards more opinionated and emotionally charged reporting continues to resonate in today’s media environment.
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Key Takeaways
- Crisis Management: The ability to respond quickly and effectively to breaking news is crucial for news networks.
- Viewer Preferences: Changing audience tastes have led to a significant shift in how news is reported and consumed.
- Rivalry Dynamics: The competition between networks can lead to innovative strategies that redefine corporate identities and market positions.
- Cultural Reflection: The media landscape is both a mirror and a mold for public sentiment, shaping and reflecting national narratives in times of crisis.
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This summary provides a comprehensive overview of Episode 3 of Business Wars, encapsulating the core discussions and insights presented throughout the podcast.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:07September 11, 2001, Atlanta. CNN managing editor Kevin McAllister presses two phone receivers to his ears while checking the incoming footage from Manhattan. It's been 32 minutes since the first plane hit the World Trade Center, and CNN's newsroom is racing to keep pace as the tragedy unfolds. McAllister barks into one of his phones at CNN's bureau chief in Detroit. Look, I get it. Having no one in Detroit's a risk I'm willing to take. You gotta get everyone in their cars and headed to New York City right now. McAllister's focus switches to the monitors in front of him. One screen shows the latest raw footage from a CNN crew in Manhattan, images of casualties outside the Twin Towers.
0:50He stands up and yells across the newsroom. Hey, do not take 28 on the air. No 28. It's too graphic. 28 not to air. Got it? CNN boss Walter Isaacson rushes over. Isaacson took charge two months ago to help fend off Fox News, which is now just a few thousand viewers behind CNN. He peers over McAllister's shoulder at the footage. This is the world's biggest disaster. Let's not be too squeamish. And what about that footage? Isaacson peers at the image McAllister's pointing to, a close-up of people leaping out of the towers. Too much. Zoom that shot out. Isaacson looks up to see Ted Turner approaching.
1:33Turner no longer oversees CNN. Tech giant AOL put him out to pasture after buying Time Warner in January. Ted, come on, no time for this. Yeah, see headline news? Isaacson glances at a screen showing CNN headline news, the sister channel to CNN that runs nonstop headlines. It's showing sports. Walt, you need to switch that over to CNN's feed. Yes, yes, thanks, Ted. Someone make that happen. An assistant runs off to carry out the order. Holy s***, guys, the plane just hit the Pentagon. are you guys seeing this? The newsroom pauses for a millisecond, then presses on. There's no time to reflect, no time to pause, no time to mourn.
2:13There's only news to get on the air. But the rush of news is overwhelming. A CNN executive pushes past Turner to reach Isaacson. Hey guys, we got too much going on. Let's use the news crawl, the bottom of the screen. Isaacson's eyes widen. The crawl is a ticker tape of headlines that runs along the bottom of the screen. CNN was going to add it in November to attract younger viewers and take advantage of the trend in people buying bigger TVs. But it's also a way to keep up with the news avalanche of 9-11. Yes, let's get this done. But Fox News has already had the same idea. At 10.49, it becomes the first network to deploy a news crawl that day.
2:55CNN follows 22 minutes later. Even so, today is CNN's day. That night, it draws 7.7 million viewers, far ahead of Fox's 4.4 million. By then, President George W. Bush is promising America that those behind this crime will face retribution. And CNN seems set to win the ratings race as the war on terror begins. CNN has more foreign news bureaus than the competition, and exclusive rights to run footage from Middle Eastern news network Al Jazeera. But it's about to discover that all that news-gathering muscle can't keep Fox in check.
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5:49On the last episode, Rupert Murdoch wrestled with Time Warner to get Fox News to New York cable subscribers, and Fox News leveraged the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal and the Y2K presidential election to become CNN's closest competitor. Now, the horror of 9-11 has plunged the U.S. into a war on terror, and both Fox News and CNN are vying to be the news network Americans turn to in wartime. This is Episode 3, Cheerleader-in-Chief.
6:27September 28, 2001. A remote hilltop in northern Afghanistan. Steve Harrigan extends the antenna of his satellite phone and slowly moves the handset through the air in search of a signal. Harrigan is a 39-year-old CNN correspondent. He usually works out of CNN's Moscow bureau. But with America about to invade Afghanistan, CNN's sent him here. Harrigan's Afghan translator stands nearby, his cell-ware kameez flapping around his legs in the wind, and a bemused look on his face. And that's because Harrigan's considering quitting CNN for Fox. Harrigan isn't surprised his translator feels this way. He hasn't heard of Fox News.
7:11CNN is world-famous, available in 160 million homes worldwide, while Fox News has almost no reach outside the United States. Harrigan's phone finally connects with a satellite. Ah, got a connection. Sorry, I need to call in. I'm late already. Harrigan dials in the conference call. His agent comes on the line. Steve? Yes, sorry I'm late. Don't worry. I'm here with John Moody, executive vice president of newsgathering at Fox News. Hey there, Steve. Excited to talk? Very glad you're considering our offer to join Fox News. It astounds us that CNN let your contract lapse and dropped you in Afghanistan exposed.
7:54Basic rule in life, don't put your people in danger if you're not going to take care of them. Harrigan nods along. He's been with CNN 10 years, but feels unloved. Many of his colleagues got laid off in the past year due to a global slump in ad spending. And his contract expired four months ago, leaving him employed on a month-to-month basis. Well, John, I'm impressed at how fast Fox News has grown and how fast you've been with making this offer. Ah, well, we think having you with us will make a big difference in our international coverage. And it's not just more money in a four-year contract we're offering.
8:29We'll give you the exposure you deserve. You will be our A player in Afghanistan. Well, that sounds great, but what support will I have in the field? CNN's global. I mean, can you even get a video phone to me? I'd have to return my current one to CNN if I come over to you, of course. Yeah, we've got all News Corp behind us. We've got contacts in Uzbekistan. They can smuggle a video phone to you. You could be filing your first reports for us within 48 hours. If you're in, that is. Well, in that case, yes, I'm in. Harrigan's defection gives Fox News its first on-the-ground correspondent in Afghanistan.
9:10And while it catches CNN off guard, it's only a minor setback. CNN's got more than 70 people in the Middle East, and Harrigan was one of three in Afghanistan, and just one of its 40 international correspondents. Fox News has just four foreign correspondents. CNN knows it's got the upper hand. It's betting that when news breaks, viewers will flock to them. But Fox News chief Roger Ailes isn't out to match CNN's global reach. Hiring Harrigan isn't the start of a push to catch up with the competition. Ailes' real focus is not on building foreign bureaus, but winning viewers by making Fox News into America's cheerleader-in-chief.
9:58So while CNN leans towards dispassionate reporting for audiences at home and abroad, Fox News reassures the nation that America is in the right. CNN anchors describe al-Qaeda members as terrorists, but their counterparts at Fox call them dirtbags and terror goons while wearing American flag pins. Fox News' opinion programming goes even further. On The O 'Reilly Factor, its top primetime show, host Bill O 'Reilly boots off guests he disagrees with. Among them is Sam Husseini, the former media director of the American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee. This is war. exactly and then war you don't kill civilians you don't kill women and children those are your words bill dollars let's not get to those who are going to go to the best of oil because this is ridiculous uh...
10:47now and this is how i went so it is that is a bit of a business that this is that this is that you are you going to be the most absurd statement in the world that means we would have on the nazis or the japanese we would have done any of that because you don't want somebody's declared war on us to be punished for the war that terrorist States have declared war, Mr. Usaini. Cut his mic. By the time the invasion gets underway, CNN and Fox are offering two rival visions of how to cover the conflict. At first, it seems CNN made the right call. As the troops move in and the bombs fall, CNN makes the biggest rating gains.
11:27But as the war grinds on, the tables turn. CNN's uptick in viewers fizzles as people revert to their normal TV habits. But at Fox News, the numbers are rising as audiences keep coming back for its roster of in-your-face personalities, patriotic anchors, and greater airtime for conservatives.
11:55January 2002, Midtown Manhattan. In a glass-walled conference room inside Fox News headquarters, Roger Ailes sits at the head of the table, grinning. He and his senior executives are being walked through the latest TV ratings from market researcher Nielsen. The senior executive explaining the figures flicks to another slide. All right, here's the detailed breakdown. In January, we averaged 656 ,000 viewers over a 24-hour period. CNN managed 596 ,000. This is the first time we've done that. So now we are the number one cable news network in America. A vice president sitting at the table fist pumps the air.
12:37All right, we're annihilating those guys. Also, now that we're the number one news network, we can demand higher fees from cable providers. We project our cable subscription revenue will rise from around$7.7 million a month to around$17 million next year as we start renegotiating the deals. The executive brings up another slide. We also investigated who our new viewers are. Turns out our growth isn't from taking viewers away from CNN. Most of our growth is from people who didn't watch cable news. Ailes' grin grows even bigger. Ah, when Fox News started, Rupert said there was room in the market.
13:17Nobody in the TV industry in New York believed him. But he saw there was an audience it wasn't being catered to. Ayles leans forward in his chair, his stomach pressed against the table. First they spun it that we were too conservative. Then that we weren't doing news, just opinion. Now that they're getting their a** kicked in all those areas, I guess they'll have to say we have some bad disease because that's about all they have left. Yeah, tell them, Roger. Come on, baby. But then Ayles turns serious. But we can't get complacent. And we might have beaten CNN, but we're only the 12th most watched cable network.
13:57I'm here to tell you we can go higher. We can be the number one cable network. That. Now that is our goal. But while Fox News ups its ambition, CNN's soul-searching.
14:17March, 2002, Atlanta. In his stark white, two-level loft apartment, CNN boss Walter Isaacson is hosting an offsite. He and CNN's management team are spending the day exploring ways to get CNN back on top. But it's not just Fox that's got CNN worried. MSNBC's about to adopt a Fox News-style format with more opinion, a shift from straight coverage to news with a right-wing lean and big-name conservatives like Pat Buchanan. Isaacson drops in on a table that's debating MSNBC's pivot. One of the managers there is struggling to understand what MSNBC's doing. You know, I don't get it. Why try to out-Fox Fox?
15:00What's the point? Well, maybe they're trying to beat Fox by booking bigger right-wing names. I don't know. Better hope they're wrong. If MSNBC gets even half of what Fox News has, we're in deep trouble. Isaacson rises from his chair. His boss, Jamie Kellner, head of Turner Broadcasting, has just arrived. Jamie, thanks for coming. Yeah, my pleasure. So what's the emerging plan? Isaacson gulps. He knows Kellner wants him to bring some spark back to CNN. Well, I don't think you're going to like the answer, but we want to stick with straight news. There's no point in chasing Fox News, especially if MSNBC's headed that direction, too.
15:42We feel the way to go is to be newsier. You know, be the authoritative news network. The final word. Isaacson waits for a dressing down. Instead, Kellner smiles. Okay, I get it. It's a good way to go. News is what CNN's all about. It's your brand, and it's hard to go against brand. And with MSNBC going in the other direction, CNN will be more distinctive. Oh, yeah, we want to be more competitive in primetime. We think our decision to hire Connie Chung from ABC News, that'll really help. We want her facing off against Bill O 'Reilly over at Fox. Ah, I like it. But unknown to Isakson, Kellner's also got an eye on ABC's entire news division.
16:35December 2002. AOL Time Warner Headquarters, Manhattan. In a conference room, Kellner stands before the board. He's here to present a new plan for CNN. In the nine months since CNN's offsite, Fox News has cemented itself as the leading news network. But Kellner's got a plan to reset the status quo. Today, I want your backing to explore a merger of CNN and ABC News. The board isn't surprised. CNN and ABC have flirted with the idea before. A board member raises his hand. Now, what makes you think Disney will actually go for it this time? Well, ABC's ratings are collapsing. Its parent company, Disney, wants to reduce costs at ABC News, which is barely profitable.
17:22If we share newsgathering costs, there will be less pressure on ABC. Kellner brings up a slide listing the benefits of the merger. You see, CNN would save$500 million in operational costs, some of which would pay for more promotions and on-air talent. Kellner smiles as the board members nod in approval. Then he catches the eye of Ted Turner. Turner's slouched back in his chair, arms crossed and frowning. The CNN founder leans forward. Well, you know, ABC News is hardly worth anything. Broadcast news is going to go the way of the dinosaurs. Why hook up with a dying brand? What good is ABC News to CNN?
18:06Kellner is stunned. He talked to Turner about his plan multiple times. He thought Turner was on his side. Well, Ted, like I said, it lowers costs, expands our news gathering. Hey, listen, I thought you were into this. Well, I was, but then I thought about it some more. I think it's a pile of junk, actually. This company doesn't need another merger. Wall Street already thinks the AOL-Time Warner merger was a mistake. This company can't afford to make any more mistakes. Kellner realizes it's over, with Turner against CNN merging with ABC News. The plan is toast. But CNN's not lost hope of reclaiming its crown.
18:54The U.S. is about to invade Iraq, and that could deliver the viewer boost it needs. The first Gulf War was a ratings blockbuster that launched CNN into the big time. It just hopes the sequel can also transform its fortunes.
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21:56It's March 2003, and after months of buildup, the Iraq war has begun in a blaze of shock and awe. Back home, millions are turning to cable news networks to watch the action from their sofas and armchairs. And both CNN and Fox News are jostling for their attention. We are at Fox News headquarters in New York and Washington bringing you the very latest developments in this attack on Iraq. We can tell you that several areas in Iraq have been hit. The Mosul area in the north, several areas in and around Baghdad. And there has been some mortar fire heard and seen on the Iraqi-Kuwaiti border. A U.S.
22:38Army source has told CNN that the U.S. Army 7th Cavalry has had its first hostile contact with the Iraqi forces on the other side of the border. They are describing it as relatively low-key according to reports which we're receiving now, and these reports are somewhat conflicting. A number of Iraqi vehicles were taken out, including perhaps a number of tanks. That has slowed the U.S. Army 7th Cavalry's progress across the border into Iraq. We just heard an inco—what the hell? No, no, I don't know what it is. Can you hear me? Atlanta, we just heard something shooting. As troops pour into Iraq, the news rivals play to their respective strengths.
23:26CNN adopts a solemn, serious tone as its army of correspondents delivers live reports close to the front lines. On Fox News, the coverage is more emotional, with swells of patriotic music, a computer-generated stars and stripes fluttering in the top left corner of the screen, and an ever-present reminder that the terror threat remains high. The Iraq War sends ratings at both networks soaring, but it's Fox's more vibrant presentation that wins out. In the first week of the conflict, Fox News averages 5.6 million viewers in prime time. CNN trails with 4.4 million. CNN's hoax of a war-fueled comeback are dashed.
24:17April 9th, 2003, New York City. It's 8.30 a.m., and Fox News Executive Vice President John Moody is holding the morning editorial meeting. Everyone in the room is focused on a live camera feed from central Baghdad. The camera's positioned on top of the Palestine Hotel, the base camp for the world's media. And it's pointed at Firdos Square, a vast open space dominated by a massive 39-foot-tall statue of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein. Around the statue is a convoy of U.S. Marine vehicles, some journalists, and a few Iraqi civilians. Moody and his team watch as some of the civilians approach the statue's huge marble plinth.
25:00One whacks it with his shoe for a nearby photographer. Then someone appears with a sledgehammer and slams it into the plinth. The sledgehammer doesn't do much damage, but Moody's eyes widen. He sees what this could be. The Iraq War's equivalent of the fall of the Berlin Wall, an image for the H's. He checks what's on CNN. It's already running the statue footage. Moody turns to his producers. Hey, get that statue on the air, rolling thunder. No one takes a break. No one leaves that f***ing shot. One producer challenges the call. John, there's firefights and looting all over Baghdad. This feed's going nowhere.
25:41We can always come back if anything happens. Hell no, this is the shot. This is the story. We stick with this like glue. And get me someone on the ground. Now! A few minutes later, Firdos Square, Baghdad. David Chater shields his eyes from the sun and stares at the looming statue of Saddam Hussein rising above him. He's a correspondent for Rupert Murdoch's British news channel Sky News, and he too senses that an epic-making story is within reach. But then he looks back at the Iraqis trying unsuccessfully to dent the statue and realizes at this rate, this story will come to nothing. But then he spots the Marine's M88 Hercules.
26:24It's a 70-ton armored vehicle with a large crane mounted on its roof and an anchored chain. He realizes the crane could reach the top of the statue and then notices the Marines have a U.S. flag. He rushes over to them and points at the statue. Hey, get that flag up there! The Marines exchange glances and then grin. Soon, the M88 Hercules is moving into position and extending its crane towards the statue's head so a Marine can scramble up and wrap the toe chain around its neck. By then, CNN and Fox News are going big on the story and ordering their correspondents in Baghdad to get to Firdos Square.
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27:07There are a few hundred people around the statue, many of whom are journalists and Marines. But that doesn't matter. By now, the news networks are avoiding zooming out so it looks like a mass uprising celebrating the end of the Hussein regime. And to convince viewers to stay put, their anchors are hyping the moment like they're on a pregame show. Soon, on TV screens the world over, CNN viewers watch as a U.S. Marine secures the toe chain around the statue's neck. The Marine up there, what is he doing? Oh, there we have it. He's hurling an American flag. Yeah. With a flag draped over the statue's head, Fox News zooms out as the Marine clambers back down and the M88 begins to pull.
27:52Hussein's giant replica starts to tip forward and then starts to break. The right leg is snapped, the left leg is going, there's pieces of debris coming off the statue. And now it falls, a cheer goes around the square, people are waving their hands. The statue crashes to the ground, shattering on impact. Delighted locals move in and start smacking it with shoes. And right behind them is the world's media, filming the moment and delivering the big payoff the viewers have been waiting for. The images send ratings sky high. That night, CNN returns to the footage of Hussein's fall in Firdos Square every seven to eight minutes.
28:35Fox News returns to it almost twice as often, almost as if it's the moment of victory. For Fox News, that was the Hollywood ending the network and its viewers craved. The week after the toppling of Hussein's statue, Fox News flips back to the domestic agenda, slashing its coverage of the Iraq War by 70%. And just as the first Gulf War transformed CNN's fortunes, its sequel did the same for Fox News. The war cemented its position as America's most-watched news network. CNN's network of foreign correspondents couldn't steer viewers away from Fox News. But Fox also managed something CNN never has.
29:20It gave viewers reasons to keep watching, even when the breaking news dried up. Fox News viewers watched the channel for 30 % longer than CNN viewers. And despite its conservative lean, it's not just attracting Republican voters. Almost as many Democratic voters watched Fox as CNN. And as the 2000s continue, Fox News only reinforces its position. Higher ratings translate into increased revenue and profit, which Fox uses to snap up on-air talent as if it's ESPN buying up sports rights. It hires so many of the big-name conservative commentators that CNN and others struggle to get right-wing voices on their networks, a situation that leaves them more vulnerable to Fox News' constant accusations that its competitors have a liberal bias.
30:13Years pass, but no matter what it tries, CNN just can't seem to catch a break. But then, Fox News runs into a major problem in the form of the man who took it to the top, Roger Ailes.
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32:45April 2013, Midtown Manhattan. Fox News' 72-year-old boss, Roger Rails, scowls at the young sales executive in front of him. What do you mean our demos suck? They do not suck. The sales executive takes an involuntary step back. Demos is short for demographics, the characteristics of the people watching Fox News. And Ailes is not happy at being told they're no good. But it's true. We're losing 25 to 54-year-olds. That's who advertisers want. I know what advertisers want. Unlike you, I was not born yesterday. I'm telling you, your numbers are wrong. The sales executive looks to his colleagues for backup, only to see them look away.
33:30It's been 11 years since Fox News barged past CNN to become America's top news channel. It's now a$3 billion-a-year money machine and the sixth biggest network on cable TV. Its old foe, CNN, has withered away. It now pulls in fewer than 580 ,000 viewers every evening. Fox News gets 1.8 million. Ailes is now the king of news, and Fox News is his kingdom. And he doesn't like being challenged. So his staff tiptoe around him, shielding him from anything negative, and nodding along as he shares his belief that he is a high-priority assassination target for al-Qaeda. But today, this sales executive isn't willing to back down.
34:20The figures are right. Look. The executive hands Ailes the audience demographics report, then presses his point home as Ailes reviews the numbers. Like I said, we're losing 25 to 54-year-olds. The O 'Reilly Factor audience is down 26 percent. Sean Hannity's losing viewers, too. We've barely altered our schedule since we launched. We need a revamp. Ailes stares at the cold, hard numbers in front of him. There's no denying that these numbers do not bode well for the future. Fox News may be raking in money, but it's no longer growing. And businesses that don't grow eventually fade away. Ayles nods at the sales executive and then turns to the other executives in the room.
35:05Well, why the hell am I only learning about this now? In the wake of the revelations, Ayles orders the biggest revamp of Fox News' primetime schedule for a decade. Conservative commentator Sean Hannity is pushed back from 9 to 10 p.m. In his old slot comes The Kelly File, a show fronted by 42-year-old daytime news anchor Megyn Kelly that focuses on news instead of commentary. But Fox News isn't the only one looking to revamp. CNN has a new leader, and it's busting moves to attract the 25 - to 54-year-old demographic, starting with a revamped breakfast show called New Day. This is New Day with Chris Cuomo, Kate Baldwin, and Michaela Pereira.
35:55Boy, oh boy, I am Chris Cuomo. It's June 17th. It's Monday. It's 6 o 'clock in the East. And just when I thought I couldn't get more excited, you hear James Earl Jones saying your name. Come on, ladies. Does it mean we've arrived? It means that is how I would like to start my day every day. And I think James Earl Jones introduced us. Good morning, everybody. I'm Kate Baldwin, and my goodness, thank goodness, this day is finally here. Little butterflies this morning, but feeling good? CNN's new boss is Jeff Zucker, and he's a 48-year-old TV industry legend. He started his career as a producer on NBC's morning show Today, before rising up the ranks to oversee its entertainment offerings.
36:34While there, he signed up Donald Trump to star on The Apprentice. Now, he's been brought in to CNN to bring some sizzle back to the ailing news brand. In the past decade, CNN's fallen far. It's been outpaced not only by Fox News, but by MSNBC, which after failing to beat Fox at its own game, repositioned itself as a left-wing news network and saw its ratings soar. Now, CNN is stuck in the middle. Too apolitical to win over left - or right-leaning viewers, and too dependent on breaking news to get audiences' attention on slow days. But Zucker plans to fix that by bringing some attitude and zest back to the OG news network.
37:18CNN's morning show New Day is the first step. Zucker sees it as a good morning America with the soft stuff replaced by agenda-setting news. He's also experimenting with weekend sports programs, a documentary miniseries executive produced by Tom Hanks called The Seventies, and a travel and food show called Parts Unknown, fronted by Anthony Bourdain. Zucker also shakes up how CNN does news by introducing story blitzes, where it goes big on stories that have the potential to capture viewers' attention for days. It's a direct attempt to woo the crucial 25 - to 54-year-old demographic that Fox News is also chasing.
38:00By 2016, both networks are gaining viewers again. Fox News grows its 25 - to 54-year-old demographic by 15 percent. But CNN does even better, growing its haul of 25 to 54-year-olds by 31 percent. Fox News still has more than double the audience of CNN. But the gap between them is now at its lowest level in seven years. And Fox News is about to suffer an even greater blow.
38:37July 2016, off the coast of the French Riviera. On his yacht, Rupert Murdoch is on a conference call with his sons, James and Lachlan. And on the desk next to him is the reason for the call. An investigation of claims of sexual harassment targeting Fox News boss, Roger Ailes. James rages down the phone. It's vile. 20 years of this stuff. Did you read the part about how he promised to help that Republican advisor if she gave him regular... Yes, I have read it. Rupert Murdoch cuts in. There's no need to go over the sordid details. It's been a month since Roger Ailes decided to fire Fox News anchor Gretchen Carlson.
39:16He claims it was because her show was losing to CNN and the ratings. But then she filed a lawsuit accusing Ailes of firing her because she refused to have sex with him. In response, Fox hired a law firm to investigate the claims as more than 20 other women came forward to report similar experiences. Ailes denies it all, but now the investigation's complete, and it makes for grim reading. James pushes his father again. Dad, he has to go. He should have gone long ago. Rupert's other son, Lachlan, chimes in. James is right. Ailes is a liability. Yes, I know there's no alternative. Good. We should do this quickly.
40:00Let's tell him he's got to resign this week or be fired. Hold up, James. Shouldn't we wait to announce it until after the Republican convention? We don't want him getting fired to overshadow Fox News' coverage of that. I agree with Lachlan. After the Republican convention, that's it. Fine, fine. But who's going to fire him? Murdoch looks out at the glittering blue sea surrounding his yacht. I suppose it needs to be me. The next day, Murdoch flies to New York and tells Ayles he's out. But the timing couldn't be worse. The 2016 presidential election is just around the corner, with Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump duking it out for the Oval Office.
40:44It promises to be a rating spectacular. But Fox News no longer has the man who took it to the top at the helm. And a reinvigorated CNN is ready to reclaim the top spot in cable news.
41:07From Wondery, this is episode three of Fox News vs. CNN for Business Wars. We've used many sources in this season, including Call Me Ted by Ted Turner, The Loudest Voice in the Room by Gabriel Sherman, and Crazy Like a Fox by Scott Collins. And we should give you a quick note about the recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said at the time. Those scenes are dramatizations. But they're based on historical research. I'm your host, David Brown. Tristan Donovan of Yellow Ant wrote this story. Research by Marina Watson. Our producers are Emily Frost and Grant Rutter.
41:39Our senior producers are Karen Lowe and Dave Schilling. Sound design by Josh Morales. Fact-checking by Will Tatlin. Our coordinating producer is Desi Blalock. Our managing producer is Matt Gann. Our senior managing producer is Ryan Lohr. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer-Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.
42:04In just a few years, Ozempic has gone from a diabetes drug to a global phenomenon. But behind the miracle claims, another battle is raging. Demand is exploding, supply can't keep up, and as drugmaker Novo Nordisk scrambles to produce more, its rival Eli Lilly is racing to take the crown. Meanwhile, a darker market is emerging. Shady online sellers are offering cheap, unregulated knockoffs. Now millions are injecting mystery vials with no FDA oversight. I'm David Brown, host of Business Wars. In our latest season, we're diving into the race to Ozempic and the billion-dollar showdown between Big Pharma's biggest players.
42:43Can they close the supply gap before one bad vial destroys everything? Make sure to follow Business Wars on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of Business Wars early and ad-free right now on Wondery+.
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