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12 Sep 2024 · 35 min

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Business Wars Podcast: Episode 6 - The IKEA Effect

Episode Summary In this episode of *Business Wars*, hosted by David Brown, the focus is on IKEA, the world's largest furniture retailer, and how it achieved its significant presence in global markets. Over its 80-year history, IKEA has become synonymous with accessible home furnishings, offering a unique blend of Scandinavian design and a distinct shopping experience. The episode explores IKEA's origins, growth, and the innovative strategies it employs to cater to changing consumer needs.

Key Themes and Concepts

  1. The IKEA Experience
  2. Shopping Environment: IKEA stores are designed as a maze to enhance the shopping experience.
  3. Directional Arrows: Guide customers through a pre-planned path.
  4. Product Variety: Stores offer around 9,500 products, culminating in a warehouse for product retrieval.
  5. Food Court: Known for serving Swedish meatballs, enhancing the overall customer experience.
  1. Historical Context
  2. Founding: Founded by Ingvar Kamprad in 1943, selling small items before transitioning to furniture.
  3. Flat-Pack Furniture: Adopted in the late 1940s to reduce costs and facilitate transport.
  4. Expansion: Gradual international expansion, starting in Europe and eventually entering the U.S. market in 1985.
  1. Cultural Impact
  2. Pop Culture References: Featured in films like *Deadpool* and *500 Days of Summer*, highlighting its role in modern domestic life.
  3. Psychological Phenomenon: The "IKEA effect" describes how individuals develop a greater attachment to items they've assembled themselves, fostering a personal connection with the brand.
  1. Consumer Engagement Strategies
  2. Emotional Connection: IKEA fosters a sense of belonging and nostalgia among its customers, making it a household name.
  3. Family-Friendly Environment: Designed to be welcoming, IKEA encourages customers to spend time exploring without pressure to purchase.
  1. Adaptation and Innovation
  2. Smaller Store Formats: Introduction of urban stores to cater to city residents who may not have access to traditional megastores.
  3. Sustainability Initiatives: IKEA's commitment to sustainability includes recycling furniture and using eco-friendly materials.
  1. Leadership and Legacy
  2. Ingvar Kamprad's Philosophy: Kamprad's practical approach to business emphasized affordability and accessibility.
  3. Controversies: His past involvement with controversial groups is acknowledged, along with his continued commitment to modesty despite his wealth.
  1. Future Directions
  2. Testing New Concepts: IKEA continuously experiments with new ideas, including an e-commerce platform for pre-owned items.
  3. Focus on Urban Markets: As consumer behavior shifts toward city living, IKEA adapts its store designs and inventory to meet these needs.

Featured Guests

  • Katie Deighton: Reporter from the Wall Street Journal, providing insights into consumer experience and IKEA’s market strategies.
  • Holly J. Morris: NPR Training Editor and IKEA superfan, sharing personal anecdotes about her relationship with the brand.

Conclusion The episode concludes by reflecting on IKEA's enduring appeal and the emotional resonance it holds for customers across generations. The IKEA effect encapsulates how the brand has transformed furniture shopping into a cultural experience, solidifying its place in homes worldwide while continuously evolving to meet modern demands.

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0:07The Billy, the Lack, the Kallax, the Malm, the list goes on. These Swedish names for furniture from IKEA have become, for better or worse, part of our American lexicon. And if it feels like there is an IKEA in every major city, well, that might become even more of a reality soon. The company already has more than 50 stores stateside, and within the next three years, it's investing$2.2 billion to build more locations. IKEA has hit juggernaut status. Worldwide, it operates close to 500 stores and is valued at$21 billion. But IKEA can also be a source of stress. Trawling the displays and then hefting boxes onto a cart can be downright awful for some.

0:54For others, however, IKEA is a place where you play pretend and make all your home-furnishing dreams come true. So, how did IKEA become so ubiquitous in our lives, homes, and culture? Coming up, we're going deep into the maze to uncover the history and lore of the world's favorite DIY furniture warehouse. It was the sort of wonderland that you could wander through. I had never seen anything like it. Stay with us.

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3:00From Wondery, I'm David Brown, and this is the IKEA Effect.

3:27By day, Holly J. Morris is an NPR editor and journalist who spends her days training reporters on digital systems. But Holly also has another passion. The IKEA concept, I am a super fan of. The kitsch, the nostalgia, the simplicity, all of that I am very into. Holly has been shopping at IKEA for nearly 25 years and still remembers the first time she set foot in this store in suburban Washington, D.C. It was this sort of wonderland that you could wander through. I had never seen anything like it. She was furnishing her first ever apartment and found herself enamored by the clean, accessible, and unpretentious designs.

4:09And she's been hooked ever since. It was colorful and felt like it matched my personality. I didn't think the furniture was intimidating because it wasn't like design within reach furniture. It wasn't like an Eames chair. I didn't feel like I had to have a MFA from Yale to understand the meaning of it. It was just clean lines, colorful, friendly, not complicated. It is classic Scandinavian design, and IKEA definitely isn't pretentious. It has a sense of humor about itself. For more than 80 years, IKEA has been attracting shoppers like Holly, not only with her furniture, but the stores themselves.

4:54IKEA lures shoppers in with its maze-like experience. Arrows on the floor direct you through a pre-planned path, weaving through aspirational displays of living rooms, kids' bedrooms, kitchens, and plenty more. And there's a lot to see. A typical store has about 9 ,500 products to choose from. And at the end of the maze, there's a warehouse where you go hunting for the box containing the furniture you've selected. There's also a little food court that's always serving up Swedish meatballs, of course. A nod to the company's homeland. It's so Swedish in that pretty much everything that ever happened to it feels distinctly Swedish.

5:32That's Katie Dayton, a reporter covering customer experience at The Wall Street Journal. It began in 1943. You know, that was in the middle of a world war in Europe. And because Sweden remained fairly neutral throughout the war, there was an ability for an entrepreneur who was 17 years old to start this company. IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprat started out selling small items like pens and wallets. He got the company name by combining his initials, I-K, the name of his family farm, the E, and the nearby village, that's the A. In 1948, a small financial gift from his dad allowed him to expand, selling furniture by mail throughout Sweden.

6:14A few years later, he adopted the famous flat-packed model, a technique the company still markets to this day. To make things cheaper, we make them flatter. So we can transport more and charge less. By the 1950s, IKEA began opening showrooms throughout Sweden. There were model apartment displays you could wander through and a viewing level intentionally designed for window shopping. It had an upstairs level that even when the store was closed, you could walk upstairs and look at. They really want you to see and to believe low prices with something that looks cool and is of good value and good quality.

7:00In fact, their prices were so low that other Swedish furniture retailers joined forces to pressure suppliers to boycott the company. So IKEA then goes to suppliers in Poland and says, hey, you know, we've been kicked out of Sweden. Could you do us a solid? and the Polish manufacturers were cheaper. And at the same time, they went, well, if we're going to do imports into Sweden, can you also do them into Norway? And the Poles said, yes, that's fine. So that was how the IKEA first expanded out of Sweden and into Norway. And that has snowballed into Denmark and Northern Europe and became what we know it to be now.

7:42This kicked off a decade of international expansion for IKEA, much to the dismay of the Swedish furniture makers who tried to shut Comprat out. The 1960s saw the opening of stores across Scandinavia. Then in the 1970s, they opened in 10 other countries, including Australia, Japan, Canada, and even Kuwait. But IKEA's stateside debut was still a long time coming. It's interesting because the U.S. was clearly very important to Comprat, the founder. He visited the U.S. in the early 1960s. You know, this was before it had really, really taken off as an international company. And he embarked on a huge trip.

8:25He tried to learn all he could about the way American business ran, American furniture was constructed. And he was very interested and intrigued by it. The first stateside IKEA opened outside of Philadelphia in 1985, nearly 20 years after Comprad first got the idea. At the same time, I think they felt a little bit intimidated by the scale of the market here and the economy. At the time, the company's president, Bjorn Bailey, was quoted in the New York Times as saying, quote, the United States is just awesome, just awesome, the largest market in the world, and we were pretty scared. IKEA has just opened its 70th store and its first in America.

9:11Come to the grand opening. It's a fairy tale come true. By this time, a standard store design had been established by studying each new location to find out what customers were responding to the most. Originally, when it started expanding internationally, it had this concept that every store would be different. And that's even, you know, within Sweden and Scandinavia. They wanted that kind of element of interest difference to sort of, you know, make it more of an interesting experience if you're going to shop between different stores. But around the 1970s, they decided that that was actually maybe not the most efficient way of running a business.

9:52And they changed it up. If a new store was getting planned, it would look back to the past store that opened, pick up what it was doing well and what it was doing badly and go from there. So it was this sort of constant evolution. And over the years, it's got to a point where the IKEA store is pretty much the same, no matter where you go. This ultimately led to the iconic Maze, which was modeled partially off the Guggenheim Museum in New York City and debuted as early as the 1960s in one of their largest stores just outside of Stockholm. They wanted to recreate the catalogue, which at the time was much bigger than the stores.

10:32Everyone was getting the mail order catalog. And they wanted to be able to physically walk you through that catalog so you could see what was available. It's truly, it feels like actual, if you pardon the pun, Stockholm syndrome to me. In that we want to be, we complain so much when we go to Ikea that we can't find the thing we need and it's going to take us so long to get there. And, you know, and with due credit to Ikea, they do put in shortcuts through the stores. They do try and help you out a little bit if you're in a rush. Today, the maze is a staple of the IKEA experience, for better or worse.

11:10And the store itself is a household name. So what's keeping it at the top of everyone's billy bookshelf? It's like a canvas for your personality and your collection of frogs with bow ties and cat toys. That's coming up when Business Wars returns.

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14:04Welcome back to Business Wars. When IKEA expanded overseas, it quickly became a household name and a movie star in its own right. How's that Kühlen coming along? IKEA doesn't assemble itself, you know. you're telling me. I don't mind the cunin. It's an improvement on the hoodal. Please. Anything's an improvement over the hoodal. That's a scene in the 2016 film Deadpool where two of the characters are trying to assemble a dresser. It ends up falling apart at the end of the scene. And then of course there was the 2009 sleeper hit rom-com 500 Days of Summer. What are we looking for again? Uh, trivets.

14:43How about a flug? No, I don't think so. No, we don't want a freak. Home sweet home. The lead couple has an IKEA date where they play house by pretending that the faux living room setup is actually their own. 500 days of summer, that sort of, you know, turned IKEA into this rom-com of going there with your new partner and pretending like you're in this domestic partnership. Wall Street Journal reporter Katie Dayton did a bit of hanging out at IKEA herself. For me as a teenager, me and my friends, when we had our first cars, we would drive to IKEA and just hang out there, which sounds insane. But I remember it feeling like a really grown up thing to do.

15:31And I think the wonderful thing about IKEA is no one there is going to kick you out for not buying anything. They want you to enjoy it. At the end of the day, they're not going to be like, what do you mean you lay on that mattress for an hour and didn't buy anything? For many fans, this is part of IKEA's appeal. Holly Morris now does most of her IKEA buying online, but trips to the store have become a form of entertainment for her kids. They view it as some kind of jungle gym slash park slash aunt or uncle's house. You know, because IKEA lets you sit down on the beds and sit on the sofas. They know they're going to leave with a toy.

16:10So going to IKEA now is more of a field trip. Another piece of IKEA lore? Fights, specifically between couples who go in together with the best of intentions, but quickly sour once decision fatigue settles in. The TV show 30 Rock captured this pretty well when main character Liz Lemon tries to warn her partner before going into the store. Have you ever been to an IKEA? Do you know what we're walking into? I have good taste in drapes. I wish I'd died anyway, Jim. I never met you. Whoa. Outlets like BuzzFeed and The Cut devoted a lot of space to this phenomenon, highlighting some of the most outrageous in-store arguments.

16:48One YouTube channel even made a sketch about a fictional IKEA breakup room. We know that IKEA is the number one place couples realize they actually can't stand each other. So now you can end it with your significant other without interrupting your shopping experience. Whether you're fighting or frolicking through the IKEA maze, building a comfortable space where shoppers could come and stay a while was exactly what founder Ingvar Kamprad was trying to do. He found basically if you spend very little on giving somebody some hospitality, they're likely to buy with you and they're likely to stay longer and shop for longer.

17:27This line of thought is what inspired the famous IKEA cafe. Originally, Comprod distributed cookies and coffee at the stores. By the 1960s, he added hot food offerings and even a microwave to the mix, which became an exotic attraction in itself. The restaurant that they opened, they had one of the first sort of precursors to the microwave in there. So people were coming from far and wide, like not only to eat the food and to buy the furniture, but to just check out this like contraption from America. And in 1985, the first meatballs were served after several years of planning and a major oil crisis.

18:05In the 70s, when the oil crisis was happening, IKEA had to stop building a lot of its stores. You had some cash flow issues. So they had all these people on staff that weren't doing anything. And they were tasked with coming up with a cohesive restaurant concept. And, I mean, what a great job. you think you're going to be building a building and you're told to go off and research retail restaurants. And they came up with the concept that we know today. They got this Swedish chef in. He made the meatball recipe. And then that got sort of shipped out. The stores became a little bit more cookie cutter.

18:43The Swedish meatballs went far and wide and were very popular across the world. And the reason they're so cheap? The founder, he always said that the profit margin should never exceed 10 % on the restaurants. He says, we do not want to make money from these things. He sees it as a treat for the people that come to IKEA. He said, we can make our profits on the furniture. We don't need to do it in the restaurant. And that's why you can probably get a plate of food there for$5. Since its founding, the company has prioritized low prices. At a Milan Furniture Fair in 1995, they put a name to that philosophy, democratic design.

19:22Here's a clip from IKEA Canada describing how it works. We put our heads together and work hard to come up with affordable ideas to make everyday life at home a little better by creating home furnishings that combine good quality, form, function and sustainability with the lowest possible price. Maybe there's something in it that brings out the kid in us. You know, it's sort of these low-cost items that we don't feel too bad. We don't feel duped. We don't feel like we've been conned into buying them. But it's just a little surprise on the way home. It's why some of IKEA's most iconic items still remain under$20.

20:01Take the Lack side table, for instance. At just$12.99, this piece has become a staple in homes across the world. And then, of course, there's the beloved Billy bookcase. I have six Billy bookcases in my library. This piece, which was sketched up on the back of a napkin in 1978, is another one of the company's most popular items and one of Holly's all-time favorites. I hauled four of them to many homes around the D.C. area, and then I added two more. And they have glass doors, which is what makes them so classy. People are like, are those built-ins? I'm like, no, those are Billy's. While IKEA has its tried-and-true pieces like the Lack Table and the Billy Bookcase, it also does its fair share of experimentation.

20:49The designers are constantly looking for ways to make everyday life more efficient. This promotional video breaks it down. So, to learn what people really need and dream about, we go out and visit homes all over the world. We talk with people, we measure things, we open closets and look in cabinets. IKEA is known for its try-anything approach to product and store design. Company leadership is not afraid to test out new ideas. And because they're a privately held company, they don't have to answer to shareholders. They can go and do these experiments, and they'll usually just open one or two random stores that are a different format and do a lot of customer feedback surveys to get a sense of whether they're working or not, obviously along with how much money they're making.

21:38One of those experiments included a second-hand store in Sweden in 2020. Customers could donate or recycle damaged furniture and goods, and the store repaired them and resold them. It's done really well, and they've actually, you know, they've tightened up the operations of that store, and they've looked at the financials, and they've been able to make money from it. And now they're going to take the learnings from that store and they're going to apply it, they said, across other Ikeas in Sweden. So we might get to a point where every Ikea has a sort of second-hand store or a place where you can go and drop back your old stuff and feel good about yourself that you're not just putting it out on the curb.

22:19But not every risk Ikea takes has paid off. In the 1970s, the company opened stores in Japan, only to shutter them just 10 years later. The Japanese story of Ikea is fascinating because they really went in and there's so much of Japanese culture when it comes to home and design that IKEA related to, you know, this flat pack, you know, minimalist. But they just didn't bargain for the fact that so many people in Japanese urban areas didn't drive and they couldn't figure out how to get everything home on the bus. And they also made items that were just too big for their apartments and too big for the people because if you put an average Swede up against an average Japanese person, I think there would be quite the height difference.

23:07So the Japanese expansion did not go according to plan. The company itself called the 1986 withdrawal from the market an embarrassing retreat. However, they learned from their mistakes and gave it another shot 20 years later, taking it very slowly and cautiously. I think the thing is that this company is very open to testing out these new formats for the future. Because they do, they are aware that what's worked for them for much of the 20th century is not necessarily going to work in the 21st, and especially in urban areas where so many of their customers are who just don't have cars. Today, IKEA is constantly experimenting in order to keep up with changing consumer needs.

23:53when Business Wars returns, we'll dive deeper into how that's going for the brand and if they can sustain it.

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26:13Welcome back. We've been talking about IKEA's secrets to success. One element that's always beguiled American consumers is the company's product names. The names of the items were very mysterious. Even the children's area, Small Land, had a mysterious name. They really, like, committed to unintelligible, non-English names. I'm always amazed that they still have words left. You know, this is a company that's been around since the 40s, and every single item has a different name. Even ones that are slightly similar, they get called a new thing. So what is the meaning behind the names? Well, IKEA's founder, Ingvar Kamprad, was dyslexic.

26:58So he created a naming convention for each product category. YouTuber Doug Sharp explains. Here's how the code works. Bathroom articles are named after Swedish lakes and bodies of water. Bowls, vases, and candles are named after Swedish place names, adjectives, spices, herbs, fruits, and berries. Fabrics and curtains are named after Scandinavian girls' names. Lighting products are named after Swedish units of measurement, seasons, months, days, and shipping in nautical terms. The database of Swedish words is regularly reviewed for words that may be offensive in other languages, but mistakes do still happen, like the fartful children's workbench, the fartig ceiling fan, and the stank lover duvet set.

27:34There may even be a deeper connection forged with a product that has a unique name. At least that's what IKEA is hoping. And that can also happen when you build it yourself, too. There's a psychological theory called the IKEA effect, which is a cognitive bias that comes about from when you make your own stuff. So I am more wedded to the bed I have now because I know I put in a day's work of sweat to build it. we apparently become more attached to things that we make ourselves. So IKEA's whole, you know, business model of selling flatpat furniture and getting you to put it together yourself, you know, A, it saves on shipping so much.

28:18It's a lot easier and cheaper to ship things that come flat and aren't shipping air in boxes. But it also means that it gives you a nice, you know, association with making something. You know, I feel like sometimes making IKEA furniture is akin to Lego. I have these instructions with no words on them. I just have to follow the pictures. And, you know, dare I say it, it can be quite fun. But obviously the company knows that not everybody feels that way. And for people who don't see furniture assembly as a fun time, well, IKEA took a step to alleviate that frustration. In September 2017, it bought TaskRabbit, which employs gig workers to do on-demand jobs, like, you know, putting furniture together.

29:03So now when you check out a product from IKEA, you have the option to book a TaskRabbit, which is, you know, the name of a person who works for TaskRabbit. And all in one, you can say, OK, I bought this bed. I would also, for this amount of money, like to book someone to come and put it together for me. and they've managed to join up the back end so that it will know when the item's going to be delivered and then the person can come either that day or the next day and construct it for you. And that takes all the hard work and labor and the frustration, I think, that some of us might have of putting together a flat pack furniture.

29:42In 2019, the company addressed another roadblock, getting urban customers through its doors. Historically, the megastores have been in suburban locations near major highways. IKEA began testing out a smaller store format for downtown locations in places like San Francisco and Copenhagen, which generated a lot of buzz online. Everything you need to know before going to the San Francisco IKEA. The basement has a full showroom where you can see some of their stage layouts. First floor has small goods and the plant section. And the top floor is a dining area. It opens this Wednesday in San Francisco.

30:15Hi guys, today I'm in the center of Copenhagen and we're going to go to see a new IKEA as it opened in the city center. So let's go and see what's there. Their theory was that city residents who don't own cars would be more inclined to pop into smaller locations that functioned as showrooms and took online delivery orders. The smaller locations carry less inventory too. A new Maryland location only carries 500 really popular items compared to a typical store, which has around 10 ,000 items. Some of the smaller stores contain new IKEA planning studios where shoppers can meet with a design specialist for tips on how to maximize their space and order everything online.

30:58The company already rolled out these plan-and-order point stores in Los Angeles, Austin, and Atlanta. Another is slated for New York City's Fifth Avenue. The smaller stores are doing well. I think the company sees them as a real area of growth. I mean, not only do they provide people that live in cities with access to IKEA and to buy smaller items, you know, they really encourage you to order while you're in the store. So you might be wandering through and you might see a little love seat or something. And although they don't have that in a warehouse there, you have your phone on you. They really have a system whereby you can order it directly while you're in the store.

31:39And it's also just incredibly good branding. You know, if you don't live in a suburb, you might not see the big blue and yellow box when you're driving because you might not have a car to see it in. So I think it's a really smart form of marketing to have them in the middle of the city center. that you're reminding people of the company. IKEA continues to test out ideas as part of its try-anything mentality. This August, the company launched an e-commerce site called IKEA Pre-Owned in Madrid and Oslo. Users can post furniture to sell or browse for sellers near them and arrange a pickup. So far, IKEA isn't charging for the service, but has said it's not out of the question at a later point.

32:26We're not entirely au fait with what their financials are looking like, But I think they're growing and they're going to be keeping doing on what they've done before, which is very much testing and learning. And if something works, they will share that with the rest of their footprint, which is so huge and so international. Whether or not their new concepts will stick, Katie says this much is clear. IKEA is in a strong position. I think they just know that people in the U.S. still want furniture. and it's something that people are going to need, you know, for the rest of time. It's not going to go out of fashion.

33:05IKEA's founder, Ingvar Kamprad, died in 2018 at the age of 91, stepping down from the company's board of directors just a few years earlier in 2013. His personal legacy is complicated. In 1994, it was revealed that he had been involved with Sweden's Nazi groups in the 1940s. Kamprad has overcome scandals in the past. He was active in a pro-fascist nationalist movement in 1942, and decades later, when it received media attention, in a letter to his employees, he called it his greatest mistake. After IKEA took off, Kamprad became one of the world's wealthiest people, with a net worth of nearly 58 billion dollars, though he rarely flaunted it according to one video profile.

33:50He continued to live in the same small house he bought in 1958 and he drove an old Volvo that he affectionately called Old Lady. Even as a billionaire, he chose to fly economy class, refusing to indulge in the luxuries of first class. Comprat also had a personal commitment to sustainability that still reflected in the IKEA brand today. He pioneered renewable energy and eco-friendly practices in the stores. This ad riffs on IKEA's use of recycled materials. Eco-warriors face planting in sustainable cotton. A bin made from recycled bottles to recycle your bottles, turning you into a recycling star.

34:35Today, the company showcases its 80-plus year history with a museum located inside the original IKEA. Hey, welcome to the world's first IKEA museum, located in the very first store in Elmholt. And welcome to the story of IKEA. That's a clip from the museum's promotional video. The current location opened in 2016. Before that, it was occupying a small space in the basement of the 60-year-old IKEA Hotel. Over time, that hotel's grown from having 25 rooms to 250 rooms and a restaurant and conference center. But when Holly visited, seeing out-of-towners at the hotel was rare. The employees of the hotel were very much like, why are you here?

35:18And they were very surprised when I said, oh, I'm from America. They were like, and you came here for this? IKEA superfan Holly J. Morris visited the original museum in 2013 in what she describes as a kind of pilgrimage. The halls were filled with original IKEA pieces that looked almost angelic. given how they were displayed. You went in and they had the very first flat-packed piece of furniture that they sold. And that was Lovett, which was a little table. It's a little crescent leaf-shaped table with three legs. So they had it in this beam of light, this shaft of light, like it was either floating up to heaven or floating down from heaven.

36:09So very humble table, very important in this very minor way, like the first flat pack piece of furniture given as biblical revelation. For Holly, Ikea is more than just a place to buy furniture. It's an idea, something personal. I think what IKEA says about its fans and even just more casual shoppers is that there is some security and consistency. Around the world, I saw IKEA's that sold the exact same thing. I was expecting to find something Czech at the Czech Republic IKEA, and I didn't. It was all the same stuff. And I think that's security. And it's security for young people, too. I think for older people, there's a nostalgia about their first table that maybe they got right out of college or high school.

37:05At that time in my life, I definitely needed guidance in my particular situation. And yeah, I think it's a security blanket for people furnishing their homes, putting together their own offices or their first crib. So what's next for a superfan like Holly? I am very brand loyal. Like I do glom onto things and have considered the IKEA, the little IKEA person as a tattoo. I haven't done it yet, but that's a possible third tattoo. An IKEA tattoo. Now think about that. How many companies can you think of that inspire that kind of lifelong devotion? Well, Apple comes to mind, right? Their annual conference is legendary for cheering acolytes willing to overlook corporate missteps.

37:52Not just fans, but followers, really. Fords and Chevys have their own legions too, tattoos and all. Coca-Cola? Netflix? Successful companies to be sure, but there's something about IKEA that inspires an allegiance seldom found outside, say, Disneyland and its fantasy world. But it's something almost every successful business covets. Recently, Marketing Dive reported on an effort by a familiar ketchup brand trying to generate its own lightning in a bottle. Heinz has launched a series of new ads inspired by stories of irrational love for its brand. One spot now making the rounds on TV and social media depicts kids at a school being chastised by a principal demanding to know how they managed to score a whole box of Heinz ketchup packets.

38:38A flashback reveals an elaborate heist to score their stash from the school cafeteria. The tagline? It has to be Heinz. Something tells me, however, that few would stand in line for a packet of ketchup like they do for the latest iteration of anything from Apple or spend an afternoon walking the maze at Ikea. Earlier this year, advertising executive Daniel Cobb wrote an article for the CMO Alliance asking, what is it that drives the kind of irrational loyalty that Ikea has somehow mastered? His conclusion? It's not so much about providing a service or a product people like, but building an emotional connection, a sense of belonging.

39:16Brands with a cult-like following align their mission with that of their target audience. Think of IKEA's recycling stores or its early adoption of energy-saving LED light bulbs. No plastic bags at checkout, reusables for sale. But you know, there's something else going on. How many people remember that first trip to IKEA, excited about outfitting the dorm room or decorating that first apartment? The ritual of bringing the kids along and watching them jump on a nordly bed and as the sun set on the parking lot, an early dinner of Swedish meatballs, huh? Something tells me at this point, IKEA's success may owe more to emotional resonance than clever marketing.

39:56You might call it the IKEA effect. In a world of choices and a sea of advertising, those brands offering a sense of direction and purpose, even if it moves in a maze, can transform customers into lifelong evangelists.

40:18Coming up on Business Wars, Vogue's editor-in-chief, Anna Wintour, must defend her lockhold over the world's most influential fashion publication. From Wondery, this is Business Wars. I'm your host, David Brown. A big thank you to Wall Street Journal reporter Katie Dayton and self-proclaimed IKEA superfan Holly J. Morris. This episode was written and produced by Emily Frost and Kelly Kyle. Sound design by Ryan Potesto. Our managing producer is Desi Blalock. Our senior managing producer is Ryan Lohr. Our producer is Grant Rutter. Our senior producers are Karen Lowe and Dave Schilling. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer-Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.

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From the publisher

IKEA has been in the game for about 80 years, earning a spot as the largest furniture retailer in the world. From the meatballs, to the maze, to the DIY furniture, IKEA is a force in our culture and our homes. David is exploring how the company became so ubiquitous worldwide, and what it's doing to keep up with the next generation of shoppers.


Featured guests: Reporter Katie Deighton of the Wall Street Journal and Holly J. Morris, NPR Training Editor. 


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