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Episode Overview The episode explores the rapid resurgence of artificial intelligence (AI) since 2012, driven by significant technological advancements and corporate interests. It highlights the competition among major tech companies like Google, Microsoft, and Facebook to dominate the AI landscape, drawing parallels to past technological revolutions.

Key Themes

  • Historical Context of AI:
  • AI saw stagnation for decades until a breakthrough in 2012.
  • Major tech companies recognized AI as the next transformative technology.
  • Corporate Competition:
  • The race to acquire and develop AI technologies is portrayed as a high-stakes battle, reminiscent of past business wars.
  • Ethical Considerations:
  • The episode introduces discussions about the ethical implications of AI advancements.

Detailed Summary

  1. The Breakthrough Moment (2012-2013)
  2. Scene Setting:
  3. Early 2013; Larry Page (Google CEO) and Elon Musk (Tesla, SpaceX) are on a private jet discussing AI.
  • DeepMind's Breakthrough:
  • Musk and Luke Nosek showcase a video demonstrating a computer playing Breakout, showcasing self-learning capabilities.
  • Page is intrigued by DeepMind, a company they have invested in that is pushing the boundaries of AI.
  1. Historical AI Developments
  2. AI's Early Days:
  3. Frank Rosenblatt's work in 1958 with self-learning algorithms.
  4. Initial excitement was followed by what is termed "AI winter," where progress stagnated.
  • Revival of Interest:
  • By the 2010s, advancements in computing power and data availability reignited interest in AI.
  1. Corporate Maneuvering
  2. Microsoft's Interest in AI:
  3. Chi Lu (Microsoft Research) urges the acquisition of Jeff Hinton's DNN Research, recognizing the risk of falling behind competitors.
  • The Auction for DNN:
  • Major players (Google, Microsoft, Baidu) bid for Hinton’s company, which focuses on neural network technology. Google ultimately acquires DNN for $44 million.
  1. Facebook's Aspirations
  2. Mark Zuckerberg’s Strategy:
  3. Zuckerberg acknowledges the importance of AI and considers acquiring DeepMind to stay competitive.
  4. Internal discussions focus on the long-term implications of AI research.
  1. DeepMind's Ethical Concerns
  2. Founders' Discussion:
  3. DeepMind founders weigh the importance of ethics in AI development when deciding between Google and Facebook as potential buyers.
  4. They prioritize a buyer who aligns with their ethical standards over simply the highest bidder.
  1. The Rise of OpenAI
  2. Formation of OpenAI:
  3. Sam Altman proposes creating an ethical AI lab to counterbalance the big tech companies.
  4. Over a billion dollars in funding is secured, and OpenAI emerges as a new competitor.
  1. Technological Advancements
  2. Google's Hardware Innovations:
  3. Google develops a new efficient chip to handle neural network computations, enhancing its AI capabilities.
  1. Competition Peaks with AlphaGo
  2. AlphaGo vs. Lee Sedol:
  3. In March 2016, AlphaGo (a DeepMind AI) competes against top Go player Lee Sedol, marking a significant milestone in AI capability.
  • Impacts on Competitors:
  • Facebook and other companies scramble to catch up as Google establishes itself as the leader in AI.

Key Takeaways

  • AI's Potential: The episode illustrates the transformative potential of AI in various sectors, from healthcare to finance.
  • Corporate Strategies: The fierce competition among tech giants highlights critical business strategies in acquiring talent and technology.
  • Ethical Responsibility: The need for ethical considerations in AI development is underscored, with ongoing debates about the implications of advanced AI capabilities.

Conclusion This episode sets the stage for a deeper exploration of the AI race, framing it within the context of corporate ambition, revolutionary technology, and the ethical dilemmas arising from powerful AI developments. Future episodes are expected to delve into the consequences and responsibilities accompanying these advancements.

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0:12It's an afternoon in early 2013. Larry Page leans back in the wide leather seat of a private jet. He absentmindedly smooths his salt and pepper bangs against his forehead as he skims emails on his phone. Back in 1998, Page co-founded Google. What started as a search engine is now one of the biggest tech companies in the world, trafficking in email, video sharing, cloud storage, and more. As CEO, Page is on a mission to keep growing the behemoth, and he's always on the lookout for the next world-changing technology. In a seat near Page, Elon Musk cracks open a Diet Coke. In the early 2000s, Musk was involved with PayPal, the e-payment system.

0:57Now he runs Tesla, the electric car company, as well as SpaceX, which builds space rockets. Page and Musk are good friends, and when the scheduling works out, they hitch rides on each other's jets. Along with him today is Luke Nosek, a co-founder of PayPal. Nosek's computer beeps with the sound of a new email coming in. Nosek clicks it open. Moments later, the beeps and boops of an old-school video game emit from his laptop speakers. Nosek's eyes go wide as he watches. Hey Elon, did you get this email from Demis at DeepMind? Musk and Nosek recently invested in an artificial intelligence company called DeepMind based in London.

1:39Yeah, but I haven't opened it yet. You gotta. This feels like true artificial intelligence. Page puts down his phone. His interest peaked. Along with other big tech companies, Google has been pursuing developing artificial intelligence for the past few years, but it's been relatively slow going. I want to see. Musk angles his laptop screen so Page can watch with him. He clicks on the link. The video starts. It begins with the opening screen of the video game Breakout created by Atari in the 1970s. In it, a player controls a rectangular paddle at the bottom of the screen and tries to bounce a ball into rows of rainbow-colored bricks at the top.

2:18The goal is to clear all of the bricks from the screen. If the paddle misses the ball too many times, the player loses. The game starts to play. At first, the player controlling the paddle is unskilled, unable to even hit the ball most of the time. But over the course of the video, the player gets good. Really good. By the end, the player has figured out how to get the ball behind the bricks, where the ball bounces between the upper wall and the bricks, clearing them quickly without ever risking the ball passing the paddle at the bottom. As the video ends, Page looks up at Musk and Nosek. Let me be sure I understand.

2:56The player is a computer, and it wasn't programmed to know how to play the game? Nosek nods. All they told it was to maximize the number of points it achieved. It figured out the rest on its own. Page looked stunned. In two hours, it came up with its own strategy, and by the end, it played better than any human ever has. Just incredible. Musk shifts in his seat. Incredible and terrifying. Today, it's beating a video game. Tomorrow, it's operating power plants and making military decisions. But at this moment, Page isn't thinking about the downsides of AI. All he's thinking about is that this technology should belong to Google.

3:41What'd you say the company that developed this was called? DeepMind? Soon, Google won't be the only company interested in acquiring DeepMind. And DeepMind won't be the only leader in the field. the major tech companies are about to enter a race to develop the most superior artificial intelligence the world has ever seen and potentially change society forever

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6:52In 1958, a research psychologist at Cornell University Laboratory named Frank Rosenblatt programmed a massive mainframe computer with a mathematical algorithm that allowed the computer to teach itself skills. He demonstrated this ability by feeding the machine two cards, one marked with a square on its right, the other on its left. At first, the computer couldn't tell one from the other. But Rosenblatt continued to feed it the cards, and after just 50 trials, the computer was able to distinguish left cards from right ones with a high degree of accuracy. At the time, the New Yorker declared it was the first machine to rival the human brain.

7:34The New York Times also predicted that in the future, computers would walk and talk and possess a superior intelligence to humans. Soon, however, researchers in what was starting to be called artificial intelligence ran up against the limits of the technology at the time. Computers just weren't powerful enough to do much more than recognize some images. For decades, scientists were in what they called an AI winter, where few advancements were made, and many researchers considered AI nothing more than a pipe dream. But by the 2010s, computers had advanced dramatically. Plus, the proliferation of the Internet meant that there were now massive data sets.

8:15Electronic books, social media profiles, caches of photos, maps that could be used to train various AI models. The dream of creating artificial intelligence came roaring back with a vengeance. The big tech companies saw it as the key to the future of their businesses, envisioning a world where computers can diagnose diseases, trade stocks, write legal briefs, and more. In our new three-part series, we're tracking the race between Google, Microsoft, and Meta to develop the most powerful AI possible. We'll dive into the awe-inspiring breakthroughs and the terrifying existential questions, the corporate maneuvering, and the boardroom backstabbing.

9:01This is Episode 1, The Next Big Thing.

9:12It's fall 2012. Chi Lu knocks on the door of his boss's office at the Microsoft Research Lab in Redmond, Washington, roughly 15 miles east of Seattle. Lou takes off his small oval glasses. As he cleans them with his shirt, he notices his hand is trembling. He's nervous. Lou shakes his head. He's not usually nervous at work. He's one of the highest-ranking executives at Microsoft. He helped develop Bing, the company's search engine. And now he's one of the lead researchers in artificial intelligence. But he takes this handshaking as a sign of just how badly he wants what he's about to ask for. Come in.

9:56Lou replaces his glasses and walks in. His boss looks up from his computer and smiles. Gee, what's going on? Why the urgent need for a meeting? I just got a really exciting email regarding Jeff Hinton. Lou pauses to see how his boss reacts. Hinton is a professor at the University of Toronto and one of the leading academic researchers in artificial intelligence. Lou's boss nods. What's Jeff up to these days? Still stubbornly clinging to neural networks? Neural networks are an algorithm that mimics the way neurons fire in the brain. Most researchers gave up on it decades ago. But Jeff's just kept at it.

10:34It's paid off. He and two of his graduate students developed one that can identify common objects, like flowers, cars, and dogs with a high degree of accuracy. Baidu in China offered him$12 million for it, but he hasn't committed. I think we should make an offer. Lou's boss wrinkles his brow. I don't know. We decided long ago that neural networks weren't where we were going to put our money or attention. There are other ways to build artificial intelligences. With respect, this is a major breakthrough. It's going to change AI research forever. Lou bites his lip, deciding whether or not to say the next part.

11:10After a moment, he goes for it. We're falling behind. Google beat us to better speech recognition software, even though we initially led that research. We've lost several of our best scientists to other companies, in part because they want to work with neural networks. But if we buy Hinton's company, we can catch up, even surpass the others. Lou's boss thinks for a moment. You said Baidu's offering$12 million? Lou nods. Okay, you can offer up to$20 million. Lou thanks his boss and leaves. As he returns to his office, he hopes$20 million is enough. Microsoft is trailing in the race for AI, and Lou fears that if they lose this auction, they'll be left in the dust.

12:02It's close to midnight in December 2012 in Lake Tahoe, Nevada. Jeff Hinton stands at a Jerry Riggs standing desk inside a small hotel room. It's an unsteady stack of an overturned waste paper basket on top of a table, on top of a bed. But an old back injury means that Hinton risks a slipped disc any time he sits down, so he's willing to go to extreme measures to never sit. Two of Hinton's graduate students from the University of Toronto hover over him. Together, the three of them have founded the company DNN Research, based on a neural network they developed. They're holding an auction to sell the company while attending an artificial intelligence conference.

12:43They've been receiving emails all day as companies make bids for DNN Research. At the beginning, there were four bidders, Google, Baidu, Microsoft, and London-based startup DeepMind. But now, as midnight approaches, only Baidu and Google remain. Hinton clicks on the email from a representative from Google. 44 million. Let's see if Baidu matched that. He clicks on an email from Baidu's representative. Yep, 44 million. His students smile. One of them with red hair and glasses shakes his head. 44 million, this is crazy. The other grad student, who has dark hair, rubs his hand across his face. How do you think they'll go?

13:28Hinton crosses to the window, looking out onto the mountains, barely visible in the dark. They'll go high, but I think we need to take a step back. You know, we all agree that$44 million is enough money, right? We don't need more than that, huh? Both grad students nod. So maybe we don't pick the company that's going to offer us the most money. It's not immodest to say that whoever we sell this technology to will achieve a big advantage in developing artificial intelligence, right? The red-headed graduate student nods emphatically. How could they not? We'll be handing them the ability to train computers to learn, using more data than any human could ever retain.

14:11Hinton nods. Right, so who do we think will be better guardians of this technology? I guess that to me is as important a question as who will pay us the most money. The dark-haired student paces for a moment. I think Google. I mean, their motto is don't be evil. Hinton turns to the red-headed student. What about you? I agree. Google seems like a genuinely ethical company. My vote is that we suspend the auction for the night. I mean, it's almost midnight. I'm 65 now. I need my sleep. So if we all feel good about this decision in the morning, we'll tell Google that there are new bosses. Sound good?

14:53Yep, sounds good to me. The next morning, Hinton notifies Baidu that they're going with Google. Baidu tries to persuade Hinton that they have plenty of money left to offer, but Hinton and his grad students stick with their gut. With the acquisition of DNN Research, Google is unequivocally the leader of AI. But soon, the other companies see an opportunity to catch up.

15:30It's mid-2013 in Menlo Park, California. Mark Zuckerberg strolls across Facebook's sprawling campus, sipping a smoothie. A breeze ruffles his close-cropped, light brown hair. Walking beside him is one of Facebook's engineers, who specializes in what's called computer vision, the ability for computers to recognize objects. The two of them just had lunch with the founders of DeepMind. The DeepMind scientists started by talking about how their algorithm is learning how to play various video games. But that was just the beginning. They're adamant that in the future, there will be nothing a human can do that artificial intelligence can't.

16:14Zuckerberg finishes his smoothie and turns to the engineer. So, what do you think? The engineer lights up. They're the real deal. And they're right that neural networks are going to change everything. You're certain? Absolutely. I think about it. With a neural network, you don't have to build systems through programming it line by line of code. That's like making a recipe. You're telling the computer exactly what to do step by step. But with neural networks, you just give it all the ingredients, and it figures out how to make the meal and it can do it that way faster than it takes us to come up with a recipe.

16:46Hmm. Then I think we should buy DeepMind. The engineer's eyebrows shoot up. Really? If neural networks are the next big thing, then we should be in on it. I mean, what they're doing is really groundbreaking, but to be clear, a lot of their biggest claims are going to take years, if not decades, to achieve. At Facebook, we don't really do long-term research like that. Zuckerberg shrugs. The important thing is that Facebook stays in the game. We can't let the other companies move into an area that we don't follow. Zuckerberg throws his cup in the trash. He's determined to bring DeepMind into the Facebook fold.

17:28But Mark Zuckerberg isn't the only big tech CEO intent on buying DeepMind. By the time Zuckerberg learns what DeepMind claims it's going to do, Google CEO Larry Page has already had his sights on the company for months. He learned about DeepMind on a private jet alongside fellow tech billionaires and DeepMind investors Elon Musk and Luke Nosek. And the more Page learns, the more he's certain he also wants to buy the fledgling company to cement Google as the industry leader in AI. soon the founders of DeepMind have a choice to make one that will shape the race for AI dominance

18:17it's late 2013 in London the founders of DeepMind Shane Legge, Demis Hassabis and Mustafa Suleiman sit at a conference table in DeepMind's headquarters Hassabis starts the conversation off A former child chess prodigy, Hassabis stopped playing competitively as a teen to pursue computer science. To me, the answer is obvious. It's Google. I don't even understand why Facebook wants us. They're all about corporate growth and we're all about research. Legg nods. He met Hassabis when they were both graduate students at the University College London. I agree, and they refused to add the ethics language we wanted to the contract.

18:56DeepMind is asking any potential buyer to form an ethics board to review every AI product released. That's true. Zuckerberg doesn't think there's anything to worry about with AI. We know there's plenty to worry about. Suleiman leans forward. An entrepreneur, he was brought in to the company for his business know-how. Just to play devil's advocate, I want to point out that Facebook offered twice as much money as Google. Legg and Hassabis exchange a glance. Then Hissabes nods. This is powerful technology. We should make sure it's in the best possible hands, not just the richest. As Leg nods in agreement, Sudamon claps his hands together.

19:35All right, I'll get things moving with Google. Google is charging ahead of every other tech company in the race for AI, in part because of its commitment to ethics. But soon, a new player emerges, which will challenge Google's ethical standards. Head on.

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21:35It's 2015 in Menlo Park, California. Greg Brockman cuts into a piece of chicken. He's at a large table in the private dining room of a large ranch-style hotel called The Rosewood. A wall of windows frames the Santa Cruz Mountains outside. As the former CTO of Stripe, an online payment company, Brockman has been to The Rosewood many times. It's a favorite spot for Silicon Valley bigwigs to meet, but the view never gets old. And this table is full of bigwigs. Elon Musk sits across from him, as well as some of the most prominent AI researchers in Silicon Valley. They've all been invited by Sam Altman, who's sitting at the head of the table.

22:1830 years old, with big eyes and short curly hair, he's the president of Y Combinator, the startup accelerator. Altman didn't say why he was inviting them all to dinner, but Brockman's pretty sure Altman's flirting with starting his own AI company. Brockman notices the man sitting next to him looking out the window as well. He's an AI researcher, and he turns to Brockman. And I spend so much time thinking about generating images, sometimes I forget just how amazing reality is. Before Brockman can respond, he's interrupted by Altman clinking his knife on his glass. You're probably wondering why I asked you all here today, although I'm sure some of you have started to guess.

23:03It's no secret that the big tech companies are going all in on artificial intelligence. What I gathered you all here to talk about is if it would be possible to form a new AI company, a startup, that could act perhaps as a counterweight to the big tech companies. Musk jumps in almost immediately. Well, I don't know how feasible it is, but I just want to say that I think it's incredibly important. I was an early investor in DeepMind, and the pace that the technology is developing is mind-boggling. I genuinely think that there is a risk of something truly devastating happening to humanity as a result of AI in the next five to ten years.

23:41Altman nods. Yes, I completely agree with you, Elon. I was thinking that this new lab should be a non-profit, so it's not motivated by the need to increase revenue. But would it be possible for a new lab to start now? I mean, could a startup even compete with the big money of Google and Facebook and Microsoft? One of the AI researchers cocks his eyebrows skeptically. Well, the biggest hurdle is going to be recruiting talent. The big tech companies are throwing ungodly amounts of money at researchers. But another scientist at the table shrugs. That is true, but a lot of AI researchers have concerns about the technology.

24:20You could convince them to take pay cuts if you had a mission that directly addressed those concerns. Altman nods. Yes, but to make any noteworthy progress, we need a critical mass of researchers. Do you think there's enough researchers willing to turn down the money that a place like Google offers? The researcher shrugs. That's the$64 ,000 question, isn't it? Or$64 million. Brockman stays quiet as the conversation continues. It seems to go in circles, and the consensus is that it's hard. But Brockman notices that no one actually says it's impossible. After dinner, Altman gives Brockman a ride home.

25:04Brockman looks out the window as they drive past the offices of one tech company after another. You know, I think we should do it. Altman looks stunned. Really? You're in? People seem pretty pessimistic. It's worth a shot. Like one of the guys said, we need to fine-tune our mission to be clear we're talking about using AI to benefit humanity, and that we're aware of the risks. And so in that vein, I guess, I think we should make the technology open source. You mean release it to everyone? Yeah. I mean, we know the tech companies will keep their developments behind lock and key. We can take more of the approach of academia.

25:46You know, put it all out in the open. Hmm. But as everyone keeps saying, this technology could be dangerous. You really think it's a good idea to put it out there for everyone to use? I think it'll make us more mindful of how we develop the technology. You know, mutually assured destruction. Yeah, that makes sense to me. So you really want to do this? Brockman nods, and Altman breaks out into a big grin. Over the next several months, Altman and Brockman secure promises for over a billion dollars in financing for their new endeavor, which they call OpenAI, including donations from Elon Musk and PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel.

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26:29Brockman sets about recruiting 10 prominent researchers from companies like Google, DeepMind, and Facebook. He can't offer them as much money as those companies, but he sells them on his and Altman's vision. Ultimately, nine of them agree to come on board. OpenAI is officially a new player in the race for AI. But Google has a trick up its sleeve to keep its advantage.

27:00It's 2015 in Madison, Wisconsin. Jeff Dean runs his hand over his square jaw, a smile quivering at the edge of his lips as he stares down at what looks like an ordinary computer chip. Dean is one of the co-founders of Google Brain, the AI research wing of Google. And this chip is about to make his life a lot easier. Dean's sitting in an office in Google's hardware lab. Far from the prying eyes of Silicon Valley, this is where Google designs all its data center hardware. And now, they've invented a new kind of computer chip. Dean looks up at the engineer who runs the lab. So, this is it? Yeah, that's it.

27:44It looks so ordinary. Two years ago, in 2013, Google released its new speech recognition software on its Android phones. The software relied on neural networks, and Dean soon realized Google had a major problem on its hands. He calculated that if everyone who owned an Android used the voice search function for even just three minutes per day, Google's data centers would crash under the usage. He figured out they would need to double their data centers to keep up with demand. That wasn't sustainable, so instead, Dean tapped the lab in Madison to build a new, more efficient chip. The engineer sits back down on his side of the desk.

28:28It looks ordinary, but it can run trillions more calculations per second. That's amazing. I still think it's genius that you realize that for our purposes with the neural networks, the calculations could be less precise. Hey, when you're doing gazillions of calculations like a neural network is, who needs decimal points? Integers will get you close enough. Dean stands up. Thank you for this. I know you and your team worked really hard to make this happen, and it's going to make a big difference. For years, Google has been acquiring companies and scooping up the best researchers. But now, it has the best hardware, too.

29:09At this rate, no one will be able to catch up to them. But Facebook hasn't been sitting idly by. And in the fall of 2015, they make an announcement that causes the AI world to sit up and take notice of the social media site.

29:33It's October 2015 in Menlo Park, California. Facebook Chief Technology Officer Mike Shrepfer stands at the end of a conference table at the company's headquarters. A gaggle of reporters fill the room. Behind Shrepfer is a large screen displaying a PowerPoint presentation of Facebook's latest research. The slide behind him shows a drawing of a player wearing a large headset. We're very excited about the future of virtual reality. We believe that it will change the way humans work, socialize, and more. Shrapfer catches one of the reporters covering up a yawn. Shrapfer can't blame her. Most of this presentation's all been made public before.

30:16So far, there's been nothing new or exciting. Fortunately, Shrapfer is confident his next announcement will wake her up, as well as everyone else in the room. He hits enter on his laptop, advancing the slide. There's a photo of a Go board. As many of you know, here at Facebook we use artificial intelligence to recognize people in photos users post. Well, we've been teaching that same artificial intelligence to play Go. It's already beaten traditionally coded Go computer programs, and we're confident that not too far in the future it will be able to beat a top human player. Just as Schreffer predicted, the reporters in the room are suddenly interested.

30:58Although computers had long beaten top chess players, Go was a far more complicated game. In Go, players take turns, placing either black or white tiles on a 19x19 board, trying to surround the most territory. For every move in Go, there were 200 possible options, as opposed to chess, where each move generates roughly 35 options. and no computer had the processing power to be able to calculate every outcome in Go. Creating an artificial intelligence that could beat a top human player would be a major breakthrough. It would show a level of sophistication of thought that computers had never achieved before, and establish Facebook as one of the leaders of AI.

31:41A slew of reporters raised their hands, Shrepp for points to one up front. You and the blue, how are you training the neural network to play Go? We've been feeding it vast numbers of images of go boards, teaching it to see what a successful move looks like. We're pretty sure that human players unconsciously use visual pattern recognition to know if a move is good or bad. And what kind of timetable are you looking at for it taking on a human player? Well, it's still early days, and I don't want to make promises we can't deliver on, but let's just say... Soon. Shrepper fights back a smile as he watches the reporters rush to write down what he's just said.

32:21This is a major story. Facebook has invested a lot of money into AI research. And now it's starting to pay off. But just days later, Google's deep mind makes a cryptic announcement of its own.

32:43You know, I would say that's probably the king of all games in terms of the beauty and the aesthetic, right? Yeah. It's November 2015. Head of Facebook AI, Jan LeCun, sits in his office watching a video on YouTube. It's an interview with Demis Hassabis, one of the founders of DeepMind, now a Google company. Hassabis is looking directly into the camera, the top of his head frequently cut off by the frame. There's a large white board behind him with unreadable math equations and other charts. AI is about making machines smart. And there's two ways of doing that. Hassabis talks generally about how AI is different from traditionally programmed computers.

33:27But then the man interviewing him gets a sly smile on his face. And you will have big news in a few months, you say. Hassabis smiles back conspiratorially as he answers. First, he describes how their AI has learned how to play a variety of video games from the 1980s. But then, he hints at something more. And yeah, as you say, things are going well and now we're applying that to other domains. And in a few months' time, I think we'll have some other big announcements. Okay, I'm waiting for that. Nukun rewinds it and listens to it again. I can't talk about it yet. Could he be talking about Go? There will be quite a big surprise.

34:07Yeah. But LeCun pushes the thought from his mind. There's no way that another AI firm is months away from beating a top human player at Go. The AI research community is small. LeCun would know. But LeCun can't ignore the uneasy feeling in his stomach. Hassabis doesn't make a lot of public appearances, and the timing of this so soon after Facebook's announcement feels pointed. the gun shuts off the video if facebook wants to beat deep mind and google and he needs to get back to work the race for ai is now the race to beat go

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37:02It's March 2016 in Seoul, South Korea. Demis Hassabis stands in a crowded room inside the Four Seasons Hotel, staring intently at a TV monitor, watching as two men hunch over a Go board. A sign identifies one of the men as Lee Seedol. He's one of the top-ranked Go players in the world. The other is identified as AlphaGo. That's the name of the AI playing, not the man in the seat across from Seedol. That man is a deep-mind employee tasked with physically making AlphaGo's moves for it. This is the first game of a five-game tournament between AlphaGo and C-Doll. Hassabis takes his eyes off the screen and sneaks a glance at Google chairman Eric Schmidt and the leader of Google Brain, Jeff Dean.

37:46They're watching the monitor with unreadable expressions. The fact that both men flew all the way to Seoul for this proves just how important Google is taking this match. Creating an AI that can beat Go is one of the holy grails of AI research. And Facebook is nipping at Google's heels. Google is clearly ahead with an AI already competitive with a top human player. But no one knows better than Hassabis how fast AIs learn. If AlphaGo fails against CEDAW, there'll be plenty of opportunities for Facebook to catch up. Hassabis runs his hand through his dark, thinning hair. His head is slick with sweat, in part because of how many people are in the room, but also nerves.

38:33For most of the game, Seedal seemed like he was in the lead, but recently AlphaGo has mounted a comeback. But Hasabis can't be sure exactly. He's not a Go grandmaster, and the commentators are in disagreement with each other about who really has the upper hand. There's a rumble in the crowd. Hasabis looks up to see Seedal place a tile. Then, within a second, AlphaGo flashes its next move on a computer monitor on a table perpendicular to the Go board. The DeepMind employee makes the move on AlphaGo's behalf. Cidal hunches forward and gets up and paces the room. Then after a moment, he walks back to the table and offers his hand to the DeepMind employee.

39:21The viewing room erupts in cheers. Hasabis breaks out into a grin. Zidol has resigned. AlphaGo has won. It's just one game. The real test will be how AlphaGo performs over the next four. But still, artificial intelligence just beat one of the best Go players in the world. And Google seems impossible to beat.

39:52It's spring 2016 in a bar in San Francisco. Ian Goodfellow takes a glass of beer that's been thrust into his hand. Oh, another one? Thank you. Of course, we're just happy to have you. Goodfellow is one of the leading AI researchers in the world, and he just recently left Google to join OpenAI, and his new colleagues have taken him out for welcome drinks. Goodfellow raises his glass in thanks. I'm happy to be here. I really believe in your mission. A few years ago, Goodfellow was the first person to figure out how to use neural networks to generate photorealistic images, rather than just analyze them.

40:31But recently, Goodfellow has started to grow concerned about how people might use this technology to spread misinformation. Right now, the AI-generated images still have obvious flaws, but the technology is advancing quickly. Soon, AI will be able to create photorealistic images of celebrities and politicians. And Goodfellow is confident that convincing fake videos aren't too far behind. The potential for abuse is enormous. With those concerns in mind, Goodfellow decided to leave Google and move to open AI. Although Google had some ethical guardrails in place, Goodfellow felt they were primarily focused on racing ahead.

41:12Instead, he was drawn to open AI's strong sense of ethics and non-profit status. Goodfellow's colleague holds up his glass. I propose a toast to AGI in three years. As his colleagues clink their glasses and cheer, Goodfellow gets a sinking feeling in his stomach. AGI stands for Artificial General Intelligence. It's the shorthand used for creating an AI that can do anything a human could do, but better. The current AI is limited in nature, only able to play games or translate text. People developing AGI have much bigger ambitions. It's exactly the kind of advancement that Goodfellow is having second thoughts about.

41:57He thought OpenAI shared those reservations, but now he's not sure. He's starting to wonder if any of the major AI research companies are seriously reckoning with the potential consequences of what they're building. But over at Facebook, they aren't concerned with the consequences of winning, but the consequences of losing.

42:26It's summer 2016 in Menlo Park, California. Facebook head of AI research, Jan LeCun, stands in front of a conference table in Building 20, the marquee building of the Facebook campus. Top Facebook executives ring the conference table. They're performing a mid-year review with each department. Right in front sits Mark Zuckerberg, his mouth, a straight line. Next to him is CTO Mike Shrepfer, who's sitting with his arms crossed. Lacan powers through the rest of his presentation on what the AI team is up to. It's not a presentation Lacan is enjoying giving. Earlier in the year, DeepMind's AlphaGo beat Lee Sedol in four out of five games of Go.

43:10Although it was undoubtedly an exciting moment in the development of AI, AlphaGo's victory took the wind out of the sails of Facebook's AI team. They desperately wanted to be the first company to develop an artificial intelligence that had mastered Go. And in the aftermath of Google's victory, Facebook's AI research seems uninspired. So, as you can see, we're pursuing further advances in image recognition and translation. These are both tools which will immediately impact user experience, whether that be from instantaneously translating posts or quickly removing inappropriate pictures. As Lacoon wraps up, Zuckerberg stands and leaves without saying a word.

43:54Most of the other executives leave as well, but Schreppfers stays behind. He crosses to Lacoon, his eyes sparking behind his dark-rimmed glasses. That presentation was one big nothing burger. You didn't say anything meaningful. LeCun can't argue with that. I was just giving an update. Here's the deal. Mark wants Facebook to be seen as a company that innovates, so we need something we can point to and say Facebook is doing this better than the other AI companies. What can that be? LeCun hesitates, thinking. One of his colleagues is hovering nearby. Video. Lecun thinks about it. Video recognition is an area where there's been less work.

44:40He's right. We can focus on video. Good. Do that. Lecun watches him go and nods. Facebook is putting its stakes in video recognition to try to claw its way back into the race. But LeCun wonders if it will be enough to catch up to Google before the search engine giant gets so far ahead. There's no catching up. On our next episodes, Google, Facebook, and OpenAI all come face-to-face with the downsides of artificial intelligence as researchers' ethical concerns are put to the test.

45:45From Wondery, this is episode one of The Rise of AI for Business Wars. A quick note about recreations you've been hearing. In most cases, we can't know exactly what was said. Those scenes are dramatizations, but they're based on historical research. To read more about artificial intelligence, we recommend Genius Makers by Cade Metz. I'm your host, David Brown. Austin Rackless wrote this story. Karen Lowe is our senior producer and editor. Edited and produced by Emily Frost. Sound design by Kyle Randall. Voice acting by Bobby Foley. Fact-checking by Gabrielle Drolet. Our senior managing producer is Ryan Lohr.

46:22Our managing producer is Matt Gant. Our coordinating producer is Desi Blaylon. Our producer is Dave Schelling. Our executive producers are Jenny Lauer Beckman and Marshall Louis for Wondery.

46:38Wondering

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47:27But their story doesn't end with their trials or convictions. Instead, their plight will capture the imagination of the entire country and spark a campaign for justice that will last for almost two decades. Follow American Scandal on The Wondria or wherever you get your podcasts. You can binge all episodes of American Scandal The West Memphis Three early and ad-free right now on Wondery Plus.

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