Alex Cooper Presents: A Grammy Special (ft. Rosé)

34:20And we're all from the same world. And we're all now connected, you know, with this era of media and technology. I'm grateful to be a part of it. But I think now I'm just like, you know, it's a bit like I'm so flabbergasted. Well, it's cool, too, because what you're essentially saying is you didn't have fully someone of representation that you could look up to as a kid that was diverse in the way of where they came from and what they did and what they were doing and what they wanted and they weren't vocal about it and because maybe that there wasn't a platform or there wasn't someone who existed you're now the girl that you wished you could have looked up to as a young child I think so and so how cool that you're providing that for young women now even if you're different even if You don't have the same story of the people that you see online.

35:16Then create your own story and share your own story. And how beautiful is that? Yeah. And I was just thinking as you were speaking, like, even vice versa, like, even coming to Korea, I think there was a moment where I was like, oh, I wish I was just, I wish I went to school here. And I wish I, like, knew the same jokes as all the other girls. And I wish I was as cool as, like, the girls who went to school here in Korea. Because I was just like, I'm like a foreigner. I kind of seem like a foreigner. like my accent is a little different and the way I say things isn't as cool as the other girls here.

35:45So vice versa, I think there was even a period that while I was here too, like I wished like I was part of like the majority. And so I think it's it just obviously proves to show that like anyone around the world can feel a bit isolated and a bit alienated. but it's amazing to see so many people like just being given the same platform and given the same flowers that as anyone else has who has achieved something or has done something amazing or has worked really hard on some things and I get nervous thinking about it and I don't know why and I feel like I just everything's happening so quick yeah but why like you feel like you don't have time to digest it and like kind of just understand the meaning like what that means to me.

36:28I think I always kind of thought it was very simple, like if I get up on stage and even the VMAs, you know, and just I thought it'd be very simple and like straightforward, but I feel like maybe because I, you know, a lot of different things like... It's complicated. Yeah, who do I want to be for the people that I want to inspire and what does that mean to me, first of all, like navigating all of that. But just this whole thing has been really, really incredible to watch. I also think that, and that's so relatable for a lot of young women and older women, is like, feel like we're always lost and torn between feeling comfortable in our own skin, feeling like an other in a room, like you said, feeling like you wished you could relate to those girls, but now that's actually your superpower that you had this advantage of.

37:18But at the time when you feel like the other, there's nothing worse than that. But then when you look back and you have the perspective of what that, how that made you special and unique, you wish someone would tell you that in the moment. So I think sometimes we're trying to come to the conclusion of anyone watching and listening of like, why do I feel alienated and why do I feel alone and how do I make sense of this? And it's like sometimes you really just have to live through it and not try to overcomplicate it and just let yourself be in your emotions. and a lot of times it just has to be perspective lived experience right but we all are so understandably insecure and we want to fit in because that's we're human yeah we're human we just want to feel normal and here we are from such different cultures and such different backgrounds and I feel like already being in Korea I was so excited to immerse myself in this culture and learn about you and I feel like there's so many similarities that I find between us as human beings.

38:13And to feel like home wherever you are just as long as people connect like that, I think it's it's like it's really magical and I feel really grateful. I wanted to thank you for inviting me to your show this weekend. Oh yes, to anyone who doesn't know, Rosie has a Blackpink concert this weekend which I'm going to be going to and so I thought it would be fun for us to maybe head to your recording studio and talk a little bit more about the magic behind how this album came to be. So I think we finish eating and then we get into it. Sounds good. Okay. Yay!

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40:56member FDIC. Terms apply. we have your gorgeous famous dog with us today your mom's just going to talk about a couple things about her album and then you'll be done tell me about what headspace you need to be in to be your best in the studio i just need to not think personally personally the last album i I realized that it was so much more free-flowing in the studio when I was just myself fully. I feel like everybody has stories to tell on a day-to-day basis. Usually, you would maybe talk to your therapist about it, or you'd talk to your boyfriend about it, or you'd talk to your best friend about it, but I'd kind of save that.

41:40And any time I felt something, felt like speaking my mind, And I would quickly find a studio and the people that I love to work with and just pop in. And I would just, you know, kind of let it out there just so that, well, for the last album, so that it feels very intimate. And so it feels like a journal. A lot of times when you write something down in the exact moment, you may not feel that way tomorrow, right? So to be able to capture exactly how you were feeling in that moment, it's important. No, I agree. I actually like have thought about that recently as in like listening back to some of these songs.

42:20I'm kind of shocked because there was obviously like a time in my life where I was, but this was a really big subject. But like now I think about it, like I'm like, wait, oh, yeah, yeah, no, I think I remember. But if I listen to the songs, it was such a thing. And you were so affected by it. Yeah. And now you're kind of like, oh, that thing. But to imagine that these things just get lost in time. There's an unreleased song that I heard. Randomly, I was getting my makeup done for like something. And I was like, what happened to that one song? And then like I searched it on my phone. I found it.

42:56I played it. And I almost cried because I was like, oh, my God, I was really serious about that. And I almost forgot. I was like, oh, yeah, that happened. Next. Why didn't you release the song? I wrote it after the album. It's more like a recent thing. Oh, my God. Would you ever release it? That one I would love to. It is one of my favorite ones. And then I only realized that it was such a special song months after. I remember when I wrote it, I was like, oh, it's a bit cringe. That's what I thought in the moment. So it was obviously too vulnerable at the time. I was like, oh, I don't know. It's just too sweet.

43:32And I don't know. I don't like it. But then I heard it again months later when I was completely over that. And I was like, oh, my God. Right. Like it's so sweet and honest to what you were going through. And I was just like, I almost forgot about that. Wow. OK, we're going to get into all of this. Late 2023, Blackpink took a break so that you and all the other women could pursue their own careers. What were those behind the scenes conversations like? um well we kind of had like a time frame to kind of decide what we're going to do and you know we had fans waiting to hear about how things are going to be um after that long contract ended um and so I remember we were on tour then the last tour so there were a lot of times we were like you know together we were like on flights together and it didn't happen over like one conversation it happened over a few and um and it evolved and I think we allowed each other enough time to you know kind of really think through what we as a group and individually want you know we still have a few things we need to do as the as Blackpink and you know we have to have more time to celebrate the things we've achieved, but we are also growing up right now and we haven't had enough time to be fully ourselves or explore that ever.

45:05We weren't really allowed that. And so we allowed ourselves that one year and to see all the things that all the members have accomplished, it's really fun to watch. And I think it's, yeah. Were you guys nervous to tell the fans? Um, I don't think so because we had the plan to be back and we're on that tour right now. The promise that we had made. I think it was such a healthy decision that we were more excited to announce that. Obviously, there's so much speculation because I agree, like everyone kind of knew that that was a long contract. And then to re-sign a contract, I think obviously so many of your fans were so excited, understandably.

45:53I don't know how much you can share but like is it longer is it shorter than the first one can you give us any details um I don't know about length but for sure we learned much more yes about um the things we should really like focus on for the benefit of the whole business um and so yes it took much longer than the first contract I don't even remember doing the first one like when did we even do that we just like sat down and signed your name yeah did we even read nope I'm sure we did not read through anything but I do know that there are a lot of other people who do sign things early on in their career without that so um you know now even more we're more aware and we understand the weight of signing these things as musicians and again about protecting yourself of course because it also comes with experience, right?

46:49Like I have signed contracts myself and I remember when I was so young, like you don't know what you want with your career. You don't know where you're going. And I think what's so beautiful is you guys having this time to have your independence, you've also grown as individuals. And so you're now able to advocate for yourselves in a way that you didn't, you maybe weren't capable before. Have you guys ever talked about what would happen if one of you didn't want to continue in Blackpink? I think we've, I don't remember like specific conversations, but no, I think, yeah, if one of us feels like at that time that's not the right thing, then we're all in.

47:33We will understand and Blackpink, like any relationship, if one person is not ready for something, then it should just be respected. And I think we will always be ready to do that because Blackpink is only four members, first of all. So we will not be able to neglect anyone's, you know, decision at any time in their life. And we trust that every decision made is, you know, the right decision for each person. So, yeah. Okay. Fans are constantly, I feel like they do this to every group, But like they're always speculating, obviously, of like, what is the group's dynamic? And are you guys sisters?

48:14Are you best friends? Are you just co-workers? Like, what's the vibe? Like, I want to hear from you. How would you describe your relationship with the women in Blackpink today? I think it's all of that. I feel like we're best friends. We are sisters. We're a like family. We are colleagues. What else did you say? What else was on the table? It's really all of that combined. I do agree that it is a very unique relationship that we have. But over time, more layers have been added on to the type of relationship we have. But even more so, I think it feels more solid. And as I've actually had that one year apart from the girls, which we were very much apart, Everyone was so busy flying around the world, like we couldn't tell who was where.

49:13We've also created unique experiences outside of Blackpink after coming, after, you know, sharing all of that together and growing together. We all went out and experienced the world individually past that. But to come back with those experiences, there's nothing better to feel like there's somebody that understands exactly how you might have felt or what you feel. And it is a unique experience as everyone has their own. But just knowing that even my actual family doesn't understand what I feel sometimes or even my best friend doesn't see the world exactly how I've seen it. But there is so much in my life that Blackpink understands.

50:05And so it's so nice to meet the girls along the way of this whole journey and being able to talk about things and feel like I'm being heard and understood. And I don't have to make it up. I don't have to explain over hours about why I'm feeling this type of way. And I feel like that's just going to keep growing over the years. Did you have the girls listen to the album before it came out? um we were so apart when that happened i let lisa listen to a few when i was in korea and she was in korea i'm like thank god you're here what was her reaction she loved 3am it was named something different back then um we were traveling so much that i and then i met jenny once in new york wait what was 3am called before 3am um want it to be you okay let's talk about the album obviously the Grammys are coming up you are Grammy nominated how are you feeling oh wait that's a big question I know I was like oh wait you're like talking about Lisa and like 3 a.m then I'm like yeah hi we're Grammy nominated how are you feeling it feels like I thought of this when you asked me about getting selected from YG at that open audition to fly to Korea.

51:34And I was trying to like, and then it made me think, I think it's the same feeling as this nomination. I remember when that happened, it was like, I thought that would never happen. Like, I never thought I would ever fly to Korea and live in that city, ever. like I always kind of dreamed of like oh it'd be so fun to live in Korea like I grew up in New Zealand and Australia so like just living in Asia and that city is just like so fun and different thought it would never happen and and going there to like you know chase after my dreams like how fun and then again this Grammy nomination it feels like oh my gosh I never thought that would be possible.

52:20Like, yes, Blackpink and we're getting so much love and I'm so grateful for that. And it's so exciting. But that I didn't think it would be a possibility. But I feel like they're quite similar. So it's like the second chapter of my life being like, oh, my gosh. It's really exciting. And it's incredible what you've done. And to come out with the solo album, be Grammy nominated for the songs like it's it's incredible and you should be so proud of yourself thank you I want to ask about your song number one girl in a lot of interviews you've obviously referred to the song as disgustingly vulnerable talk to me a little bit more about what you meant by this well this one was about like I'm sure you go to a lot of events when you're in LA there are like so many fun exciting events and you feel so lucky to be invited to and it's like so glamorous and fun but I was like invited to an event and it was at the very beginning of this one year before this one year like started and I went to the event um and I felt like just really like I was in a place that was supposed to feel so glamorous and exciting I felt really like like I was comparing myself to everyone I didn't know how to act and I remember coming back home feeling really depressed and like I don't feel very special or good and then the next day I remember I just like cried in the hotel then I was like on Instagram oh that's literally the worst combo you're crying and then you're like let me open Instagram then you're like yeah that just made it worse yeah and there were like comments like there were comments about like where is she going with her career she hasn't announced this this or that like she has no idea what she's doing and I had just started the year to like I'd gifted you know you know with the group, we've gifted ourselves this time to be free and explore and really kind of just, for myself, I think, I don't know, I feel like I can't speak for the other girls, but for me, I think I was looking for what my passion was again and what made me really happy and driven and excited.

54:44and it hadn't even started but that's what I saw and I was just like oh my gosh I feel terrible um you know I remember in the morning I had a session that day and I was getting ready and like I couldn't put my like makeup on because I was like it was a bad day you know we go through it once in a while of course of course yeah and then um I got to the studio and they were like what you could write about I'm like I don't know I've just been feeling really really bad like I feel really really just I feel shit basically and it sparked I was like I can we write a song that's because I know a lot of songs can kind of have hope in it and have these hopeful feelings in it but that's not how I felt and I needed a song that I could relate to because a lot of the times on the Like I want to be presented to my fans as like, I'm independent.

55:43I don't need people's approval. I don't. I'm my own thing. We love to be that way, but it's not really realistic. That is why your fans were so receptive of this. Because yes, it could be considered as a human being. You're like, is this embarrassing? I'm wanting this validation and I'm wanting this attention. And I think it's such a relatable feeling, but it's something that we keep really close to our chest and we're embarrassed sometimes to admit. I was so embarrassed of myself. That was the day I think I woke up and I was like, oh my God, I feel so embarrassed. Like I don't feel confident at all, but like how embarrassing.

56:22I was on Instagram all night looking at these comments and I felt embarrassed that I had let those emotions really affect me. How do you think for you personally, your desire for validation and acceptance has impacted the way that you let people treat you? I have let people get away with, I think, a lot of things that has made me sad and like has made me cry. I think I let a lot of things make me really, really sad. But I've noticed this thing where I sometimes protect people. And I don't know why. I think I'd like I think I have a lot of love for certain people in my life, but to a certain extent that I want to be validated by them and then their actions of making me actually sad or feel sad is forgiven and I turn that around and I understand them and then I would probably blame myself.

57:28um I'm still living through that I'd like to think that's because I'm still in my 20s and hopefully people say when you're like when you turn 30 then like things start to make sense I'm just hoping that kicks in soon you're like I feel like in a couple years it's really going to turn around for me no that's relatable it's like you can't please please if you're up there please um let's talk about a major theme that I do think relates to this which is in your album is toxic relationships, right? You open up about some of the toughest moments that you've been through in your life, essentially. How was writing about these feelings healing for you?

58:15I think first of all, even in therapy, I feel like the main thing the therapist kind of makes you do is acknowledge your emotions. But a lot of emotions I feel like is kind of looked down on. um and that's a good thing because online and on media like where we're encouraging each other to love yourself more and accept yourself more and be confident in yourself like don't be sad be confident be a boss girl right sounds so easy yeah sounds very easy no it's obviously not um Um, and so I feel like, first of all, being just true to how I really felt. And I don't know if it was easy because it was my first time in LA and I didn't really know anyone.

59:10I just like talked about anything and everything. I might be more conscious about it now, but at that time I just like talked about everything. Like I would be like, oh my gosh, I did this and I did that. And honestly, I feel this and that. And it'd just be funny. I'd make fun of myself. but it was just true and so as I did that I was accepting my flaws and and so funny because over time now when I do that I realize I do become more conscious because I want valid I'm you know I have that in me too when I talk about some like certain themes or like some certain subjects, I do kind of go like, like, maybe I shouldn't feel that.

59:58Maybe I should act more sophisticated. Maybe I should act a bit more like I have more self-respect because sometimes I don't. Relatable. So real. Yeah. And of course, a lot of the times I do, I do love and respect myself. But then like, you know, sometimes like I'm still growing up and kind of navigating the world of like, you know, wanting to be loved. Of course. I have sometimes, you know, abandoned some of these things. And yes, later on, I could regret it. Like a more mature version of myself, a more experienced version of myself could be like, Rose, you don't need to be like that. But I feel like in the moment, like I'm still learning and growing.

1:00:37But then I, so like in these songs, that's me just being, accepting that emotion for what it is and laughing about it at the same time but not being conscious about of about of like what other people would be thinking about me but i think that's why people were so receptive of this album because i feel like you've spent the majority of your career we saw you trying to be this perfect girl right and there was an image that was upheld with that i think then your fans would assume like there's no way this girl has experienced heartbreak or there's no way that rosie would get herself into a toxic relationship like she's better that and it's like no we've all been there so I think it was a breath of fresh air probably for your fans to be like oh my god you too I think it felt really liberating just talking about it and being reckless because anyone who really like cares or loves me might be like Rosie just don't say that people might think you're a bit like a bit of a wreck but I kind of didn't care and I felt so liberated the funny thing is even after feeling that feeling so free I think I have come out of it and I still experience the shame of like I do feel this but then I like say it and then I go is that person going to think I'm like I don't have enough self-respect I really want to like stop doing that but it's a habitual thing where I try to keep filtering the things I say I feel like society also kind of makes you feel that shame yes feel bad like why aren't you better why didn't you leave why did you stay for so yeah yeah I wrote down that in one of your songs you know you talk about knowing the relationship was unhealthy from the beginning that is so relatable but you're like wait but like it also feels good sometimes for you what were the signs that it was toxic I mean I was young too it was is not a good match but we liked each other so we just kept it going for a bit um and yeah I I think it's just like now I know a bit better than that to identify we might not be very happy together maybe but but I also think again having grace is like so many young women will be listening to this and it's like the feelings of love and happiness they bring you back even if there is something toxic or there is a red flag right it's like because then you move forward and you forget the red flag because then you go to dinner and then you're happy you're like girl this is happening to me right now thank you um full therapy session um what is something you know you will never put up with again first of all if they're kind of like not being like super nice to your friends or family as in i think they should make an extra effort people that are not good to your friends and family i agree ladies if you're watching this like please note that you're not being crazy and your friends and family aren't being crazy because sometimes they can convince you like oh you know So it's like, no, no, no.

1:03:46Like if I've introduced this girl as my best friend, she's my best friend. You can't be like, I was busy talking to other people. She's my best friend. Put in the work. Yeah, because I would if I meet anyone that's, you know, my boyfriend's best friend, I'd be like, oh, my God, I want to be extra nice to that person because I care. So it's very weird if somebody's like, it just means he either thinks he's really amazing or he doesn't really respect you. Yeah. Or hasn't learned how to respect a partner. I agree. One of your favorite lyrics you wrote was, that I wrote down from your album was, did letting me down get tiring?

1:04:30How in your life and past relationships have you felt let down? All the acts. yeah i don't think all of the exes maybe no rosie i mean let down let me think all of them except

1:04:52one you're like girl we're working progress okay yes we've talked a little bit about the themes from your album and they did give a little insight into your dating life but i recognize that you have never been in a public relationship. Why do you think for you keeping partners completely private is the right approach for you right now? I think a lot of it has to do to protect the person that I love. I've noticed that it hurts more if, like, any of my friends are attacked or the closer the person is, if they're ever attacked, it really really is is like hurtful um and also I am okay because I'm in the public eye and it's my job and it comes with the territories and I'm like okay whatever uh but you know I think it's a bit unfair but I not saying like I'm against it but like for now with the like fan base that I've experienced, which I would love to in the future, maybe really fully trust the media to protect me and be there for me, then I might feel comfortable.

1:06:12But for now, I don't know if I've felt completely safe. I'm sure a lot of other people understand what that feels like and experiences that. I think that's really understandable. I'm curious, had someone know feel like you're hiding them because i could see that if like then the partner is like wait are you just keeping me private because you don't want to share me with the world or have they been understanding uh i think it's been like a two-way thing like both ways um i think one of the toxic ones yeah that's like i feel like how every conversation starts so one of the toxic ones actually i'm like yeah because there are some toxic ones not not toxic ones there are some where like you feel where that's coming from like the protecting you know element of it and and i believe it but there was one if i think about it now i look back on it and i'm like why were you so paranoid like what so like wait you're not the superstar over here no I can like say it like that now but I'm like I do kind of look back for you like wait because I was I think I was younger then um I was more younger and like more I guess more insecure and I was just very like I'm like in love and whatever but then anytime he'd be like oh like even like to his friends he would kind of he'd be like oh i just i'm just gonna go with like hang out with my friends and like it's just i don't want to have you there because it's like and he'd make it seem like he's trying to like limit like talk or whatever but i'm like why did you need that you're like but again that's what we're talking about right you're like in hindsight you're like that doesn't make sense at that time i thought he was really serious about his job and I was like that's hard Rosie I was like like you're so serious about it that no and then some people are and I really respect it because you know for the things that you want to do we want to we don't have to have I just I don't feel that way either we don't have to have our like love life involved in it and I respect that because I feel that a lot of the times too but then with that guy he was like overly like like no we can't do like anything like we can't I go anywhere.

1:08:43Now I think about it. I'm like, sure, we could have done. I've met people after you who are way more, like, higher profile than you. That was just, like, that would do crazier, like, you know, more things with me. And I'd be like, you're not. And I remember the first time they would want to do things, I'd be like, you're okay with that? And I was so gaslighted. I'd be like, you're okay with doing that? And they're like, why not? And I'd be like, oh. oh because i learned from this other ex that like we couldn't do any of anything dude that's so real though when you have exes to compare to where all of a sudden you're like wait a second yeah why are you okay with this that wasn't normal yeah yeah but in the moment you convince yourself here you are rosa you're convincing yourself he cares about his job so much i was like oh my god he cares about he's such a that's so hard i was like no and now you're like wait i was fully getting gaslit and He was fully acting like, you know, that is.

1:09:39But again, it's so real. It's so relatable. Like, you don't even have to be famous to be in this situation where a girl is like, dude, I'm in high school. I'm in college. And this kid, like, won't bring me to the party. And I'm thinking it's because, like, he's protecting me. Meanwhile, it's like, babe, he may have a side. He may have a side girl that he doesn't want you knowing about or whatever it is. And then you put two and two together and you're like. Yeah. OK. OK. I'm not going to let that happen to me again. Yeah. I still can't tell why. I don't know. It's weird. Okay. Like, I'm going to write that in my journal tonight and try to do that math equation and figure that one out soon.

1:10:16Okay. How have you avoided getting your picture taken with a man and paparazzi and all that? Oh, my gosh. You're good. You're good. I've had some crazy ones. I once was so paranoid. wait oh my god no what i was so paranoid i'm like i can never be like you know seen ever and like i ordered online from like it's basically like amazon but in korea are you gonna tell me you got a wig i got a wig i got a black curly wig like a short one and then i ordered like I studied how like older people like elderly women would dress on the street like I'd be like okay they wear that kind of a skirt and those shoes and that kind of a bag and I would like study it and I would order it and I would dress up.

1:11:18And then you would go on a date looking like an older woman? I would go like like to his house like because we can't go anywhere like i would like travel that way just in case somebody i did that once and wait so then would you show up to his house and like rip the wig off and the granny

1:11:41i've arrived and he's like can you take off your prosthetic nose and your wig and your granny panties like can you get back to rosie for a second you fully are walking in like an eight year old like and so like for a while in my house you know we got rid of it now but like I had like a whole section of just grandma clothes because I went wild I just ordered like all cut like light blue like flowery skirt but like all like long skirts so that I could cover all my elements how long did this phase of dressing up like a granny last I think at least six months Rosie you were committed I was so committed to keep the secret did he ever dress up like a grandpa to go to your house i think he kind of did yeah like a little more grandpa ish but not as crazy as like a wig because i needed a wig and i think at one point like i even imitated how she would how they would walk when we stop this i need you to show me how you're oh and the funniest thing i don't even know if i should say this this is so funny i met my grandma the other and I was looking at what she was wearing and I'm like and then I go to my mom like mom is that the and she's like oh my god it is and she's like that's her favorite coat she was wearing one of the ones that I would wear Rosie my mom's like I go I go is that the and she's like it is that's her favorite coat and I was like I'm dying once you're over your granny phase your mom was like okay Rosie can I at at least now give this to your actual grandmother so she can put this to good use.

1:13:17After I broke up with that ex, I moved on to my, I moved on to my, I had a new one. And then she said, you're not going to wear this anymore, are you? And then I'm like, nope. We're turning over a new leaf. I'm going to actually show up to his house looking like my damn self. That is iconic. Okay. Do you prefer to date someone in the industry or not in the industry? um in wait how why i'm so okay in only because they get it yeah there was like a phase where because from 16 i'm just like not even fully formed human being yet going to this dorm like full-time in that space and everyone I meet is just related to that to whatever I'm doing um you know I only met teachers I only met other girls that were training with me I only met like the producers there like every day from that to like coming out as like pink when I would meet like um even like cousins I would kind of feel like I don't know how to act um and most more than that I think I because I don't know what the experience is because everyone just usually goes to school goes to college and whatnot has like a sim like somewhat of a similar you know experience growing up but I would like meet people and be like I don't know what you're thinking and and their expressions and I was just really just you didn't trust them yeah and I was just like inexperienced even like talk meeting new people and talking about things and I'd always feel like such an alien they would talk about like all these things and I'd be like I don't know how to relate to it all I know is you know what I've done work yeah like three years ago I was like in a dorm and And that's the only thing I know how to share.

1:15:27And also like being private and stuff, like going out and like how I always feel really conscious. Like I'd be out at a restaurant and I'd always be like, oh, I think somebody's taking a picture. And then somebody would be like, I don't think they're taking a picture. But then me feeling like sensitive about that, I didn't blame them. I would blame myself. Be like, I am so paranoid that I don't want to make people feel uncomfortable. comfortable so even with that um I'd felt um kind of like a bit of a distance growing up and so partners too I think for me to feel fully just natural and like so if anything that guy being like we can't be I'd rather relate to that being like rather than like why aren't we going out like why aren't we post me on your Instagram yeah that would freak me out even more so true I I think I felt, if anything, more safe in that one.

1:16:22I'd rather be more controlled that way because, you know, I relate to that feeling. So now we just need to find a non-toxic guy in the industry. Yes. That's the goal. So easy. So easy. Let's go. Like, there's so many of those. Perfect. I'm free, like, next week, so. Perfect. I'll let you know if I have anyone in mind. Thanks, babe. Are you seeing anyone right now? Oh, my God. You almost just flung off the chair. Because I just feel like if I'm like, no, I'm like, oh, such a lie. You can tell. I am looking for love. Okay, so maybe you're talking to someone. Do you think it's really funny how I react to these questions?

1:17:01Rosie, you just physically clung onto the side of the chair. You moved your body away from the microphone. You looked at your best friend for dear life and you were like, tell me what to say. And I'm like, you know what? but I respect it because you can tell like you've come into this industry you were trained to you know be a specific way you've worked so hard you've been private and so I get it like to answer a question of like are you seeing someone right now you're like wait am I allowed to answer like oh my god this is the first thing when you ask something like that it's like like all the articles all the comments I just see it like rolled down and who has like been plotting my downfall being like this is the comment we take to so if anything happens this is the interview we go back to to tie this crazy story about how addicted to me for example like that's all I think about so I would love to just be like yes or no like but being like is this going to define who I am how sad how sad of a reality is that that makes me sad it makes me sad for like a lot of the industry and and how oh my god stop this is gross no I'm only sad because it's like uh oh my gosh no I feel like it's just like a normal thing um And just because I was from a K-pop group doesn't mean I am a different type of human being.

1:18:40I think we're all born with legs and arms and, you know, everyone's human. And I feel like just how certain things, like I have to, not because it's me, but a lot of other people too have to like think about that. and me being a girl and what that means to me how will people try to use my comments to create something and it's not like I'm saying the craziest thing right now no am I saying like I killed someone no no I'm just asking if you're seeing someone not even if you have a boyfriend like do you have someone that you're currently texting that you whether you have a crush on or whatever it be I guess my question back to you though when you just got emotional there which makes me sad for you too is like at what point do you think that you can find a way to almost just live for yourself and be like you know what yes I'm seeing someone right now and if the comments come the comments come but you also have to live your own life and you like I think it it puts in perspective when I sit with my grandmother, right?

1:19:53Or my husband's great grandmother. And you hear these older women especially say, like, I lived so much to please people and to be humble. So I didn't come off as too much or whatever. And I just wish, like, why did I do that? We are alive once. We're here once. Like, yes, it's so incredible what your career is. But like, how are you fulfilled in hiding so much, right? Like, will there be a point where maybe you're like you know what okay like that's why I feel like writing that album made me feel closer to that and oh my god like a lot has actually changed um after number one girl I'm not joking but there were so many people online who would tell me what to do with the way I put my makeup on the way I was dressed on stage they would like harass my hair and makeup team online see again And those people are people I love and that work with me.

1:20:51And, you know, that's part of my team. And those are my best friends too. But I've felt like the ache where when, you know, people online, they know, I feel like they know what they're doing. Like they're really mean to them and that like affects me. And they be like, do this to your hair, do that to your hair. Why are you not doing this and that? I got closer to it because after Number One Girl came out, you know, that happened. But after I explained the song, my team has not been getting comments like that anymore. And I remember it was such a big chunk of all of the girls relate to it because we would talk about the stress of that.

1:21:33Like weird controlling of like kind of like a mom, like one of those cheerleading, what do you call it? Like a cheer mom? cheer mom what do you call that yeah like a um a stage mom a stage mom who's like do this and look like this but you have like thousands online millions millions like girl i love what you do but please change your and you're like wait i like that little accent you just did you went full valley girl on me you're like girl you better get your shit together girl i love you but come on those are not the shoes you want like that's that and and they would like do that but my team hasn't been getting any of those comments and I haven't had any pop-up and so after the after the album one thing I love is that I don't I'm not I I'm not conscious about if my fans will like or dislike my look today and for such a long time of my Korean Blackpink I was so like you know insecure and conscious about what my fans would say they'd always be like put a full red lip on why can't you do your makeup and I'm like maybe I don't feel comfortable and maybe that's not fully me maybe that's somebody else maybe some amazing like big celebrity online does that and is looks amazing and feels amazing that way but maybe when I do it I don't feel amazing so it's just like you're living a really heightened experience as a human being right now you are figuring this out There is no book that anyone handed you to be like, this is exactly how you get through this, Rosie.

1:23:15When I go back to your comment about freedom is being anonymous, what you're really just saying is freedom is people not being able to dictate if you feel comfortable to acknowledge that you're in a relationship or not, or if you are having a bad day or not. But I love, though, that one thing that you learned through this album is that actually being vulnerable and honest gave insight to people and allowed them to be like, oh, I'm not going to make that comment again. And maybe that next step for you could be allowing yourself to enjoy your romantic life and not being afraid that maybe people will come for you and that person.

1:23:55And that who knows when that you'll be ready for that. Yeah. But maybe one day you'll be ready. I don't think I'm fully that we're fully there yet because I can tell we come back to the, you know, toxic ways. The media always finds its way back. But it gives me hope. It gives me hope. I really thought that me coming out of this, you know, industry where I've come from, I didn't think I'd have hope. I thought, okay, I'm forever going to live in this system where I can't fully accept the way I am because they will twist and turn it. But I see a bit of hope and I'm really, really happy about that.

1:24:35I'm really happy for you. Thank you. Okay. Should we go get a drink? Please. Let's go. Let's go. Cheers again. We're back. First of all, we need to talk about your song, Apathe. Did I say that right? Yes, Apathe. What was the moment you personally knew that this song was going to be a phenomenon? I think I kind of, it kind of slowly, like I slowly warmed up to it because when we first created it, I went home and I listened to it like all night till like, like I had it on repeat. Right. And it's quite a crazy song to have on repeat. Yes. I slept to it, you know. You slept to it? Yeah, I slept to it.

1:25:23You just kept playing? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God, you're a psychopath. You're like, again, again. Right? And then in the morning, I had my producers and songwriters delete it off of their phones. Oh, I read this somewhere. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I still, to this day, don't quite know what it was that made me do that. I don't know if it was like fear or something or like did I feel like it was big or did I feel a bit like scared of it I'm not sure but I feel like I'm just guessing but I feel like it might have had something to do with the fact that it's so close to my culture and I felt like it sounded big but I wanted it to be like right before people just had it on their phones and you know nothing got misinterpreted or if you needed to fine tune anything you had the ability and it didn't just get sent out yes because it had a big part of my culture in it but i don't i'm not sure if i fully believed in it yet because it was like as it is it's kind of like when everyone listens to it especially from the beginning it's like a korean chant and you're like what's happening and then like the song starts and and then the chorus like we're just saying saying some random words and so I wasn't sure so I got rid of it and then slowly I started bringing it out and playing it to people that I trusted and that I loved and um they would they really reacted to it it's so funny because there are so many songs that has become like like the main songs you know but every time I feel like it's something like that I seem to hide it and then I like I would play like 10 songs and then at the end I'd be like oh this is just rough this is like you know we were just like messing around you might not like it and I'd play it and that's usually like the songs that like people seem to love which is weird okay but do you think it's because in your heart you know it's so good and then you're almost down playing it to see if like do I think it's just this good okay maybe and you're like testing to see like oh this is just a little thing and you're like am I the only one that thinks this and then you see the reaction you're like I was right oh my god I have something on my hands here I need to be convinced by people instead of me hyping it up first I think I get scared of how I feel about it so I don't want to hype it up I just want to see people's like raw and maybe you're right you're literally my therapist honestly we've been trying today we and can you clarify for anyone who maybe is not familiar with the culture and apathe like what what is this chant and what does it mean and what is the significance so it's just like so when I turn 20 it's like a cultural thing where your friends who are already 20 um or over 20 would like get you in a room and be like today's the day you like you die from a hangover and they will literally make you the craziest drink because you know it's just waited your whole life.

1:28:23I remember the day I turned 20, Blackpink got me and Lisa and I turned 20 the same year. As soon as the year turns, you know, like January 1st, you're allowed to drink. So everybody like gets together and we did that too. Us four were in the dorm and they were like, get ready girls. It was a wildest night. And then like, that's when we like played the drinking games and it literally has been a part of my like 20s living in Korea. Who else is on your list of dream people you could collaborate with? Anyone? Oh my gosh. Give me like three. That's way too hard. Okay two. You know what I see Miley on the screen I would die to have a collaboration with her.

1:29:12She is iconic. Literally a legend. I love her so much. You said that you met Taylor Swift When you met her, you wanted to ask her some questions. What advice did she give you? That was when I was trying to look for a label and everything. But before that, I was learning about how to protect myself. What does everything mean? What is it that I need? Even catered to myself, what is it that I want? And therefore, what do I need? I was navigating all that. and you know I was really great I'm grateful enough to have like met her along the way at a party um that I was invited to and and she was so nice like you know as she is and we were chatting and I explained why I was you know out in the U.S.

1:30:00and um then I was like oh I was kind of struggling with this and she's like ask me anything and she like you know pulled me aside she's like asking anything she was like you know whenever you need anything like ask me and she was really really really helpful. When did you find out that you were Grammy nominated and what was your reaction? I remember I was in Korea. I had just gotten home and then like I brushed my teeth. It was in my like PJs like fully and then I look at the time and then I remember somebody from my team being like oh the nominations are coming out at 1 a.m your time and I don't think because I've never really experienced this before.

1:30:38Now I know like to mark it in my calendar. It was kind of I'm like oh okay so I go back into like the text and there was a link and so like it was 12 50 a.m 10 minutes away and I was like oh and then I just like turn the tv on and put in the link and then I was like and then it started and I'm like okay and then I get a facetime from like like my team and my sister and so and then I'm like okay and then like a category comes out and And I'm like, should we just group call? And we did like a group FaceTime. And then it just happened in like five minutes. And it was just like, oh my gosh, wait. I almost missed that.

1:31:19But did that just happen? And then it was done within like, it was done so quick. And I'm like, okay, I was going to go to sleep. So I slept. I went to my bed, I slept. And then I woke up to like, you know, tons of messages from people that, you know, were so excited. And that's when it hit me. I was like, oh, wait. This is crazy. So exciting. I'm so excited for you. I think that we sing karaoke to close out this incredible day. And then after we sing karaoke, I think we go to Tokyo. And I watched you do the real thing on stage. What a crazy life. We sound really like, let's go to Japan. Let's just go to Japan.

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1:34:34I was like, I need to bring you something. You were amazing tonight. You're so sweet. Thank you. I'm going to put these in your room. Thank you. Someone put these in her room. May I have this? I'll just keep it here. You'll put it there. Thank you. Of course. Of course. Did you have fun? I had so much fun. I showed up as a fan. I was with all the people. I was looking around. I was like nervous for you because now I'm like so invested in your journey I'm like oh my god I hope she does perfect and then you got out there and I was like oh she's a full professional did you feel like a stage mom at all?

1:35:05me being like Rosie hit your cue and also you being like your dance moves I'm watching you I'm like she hit it yes boom boom that's so funny it was so fun seeing you up there how did you feel? I felt really good it's been like two months since we've been on a break so I completely forgot that like version of me like completely so yesterday was the first show so today was a bit better it was wild to watch blackpink and then it's so cool that you each have your solo moments and when you went out for your solo moment i was having another stage mom moment where i was like oh my god like toxic toxic till the end yeah i was like literally getting emo i like almost started crying i'm like why am i getting emotional right now blackpink just announced a new album Oh yes.

1:35:51Casual. What can you tell us about it? Well, so it's an album that we've all kind of obviously come back from after that like year of exploring and all being our individual selves. And so I think it was like really interesting to kind of come back and see what was created after that. And so I really like all the songs there and I love them, including Jump which is already release and we have like a fun collaboration that's coming up oh my god I feel like it it's like so I played it for like a bunch of my team and my friends and they all were like like it feels like jump but it's like so different it just and they just say it's it sounds so different from anything else we've done and I feel the same and I feel like like a lot of the collaboration is the reason like why that probably sounds that way and I feel like um it's it's very new and visually too I don't think we've actually used as that much like CGI before um and yeah it's like a big like funky mixture of like all these things but for some reason like it works and I'm really excited for the fans to see that and yeah oh my god I'm so excited now I feel like I've been on this journey with you and again to see black pink and then you have your solo moment do you think you would ever tour solo oh that's been a big subject amongst obviously like my fans like they they are i mean definitely dying for me to be on tour and i am too but um i've always just thought like i want to be able to create a like a real like solid world to present to everyone i didn't want to feel rushed because that first solo album like I mentioned to you like the whole thing was just like a learning curve and I needed that time to really learn about the album and so I feel like to create like a whole world on stage I need more time to build on that um with extra song songs as well because right now I only have like what 12 and I feel like I don't feel ready to like create a whole you know body of work for everyone yet uh but I feel like it's slowly gonna kind of come closer once I feel like my second album or like more music comes out um but yeah I just want everyone to be patient and I just wanted to um because I feel like once I do start I feel like I'd love it so much that I would want to do it for so long so I don't want to ruin that experience do you love being on stage I think I do uh but I also don't love being on stage when I feel like I'm not fully like it's not fully me so I understand that when it is fully me I love it like I want to repeat it even like yesterday when I got when we came back from the break I was like I love this like I can't believe this is coming to an end it's so much fun and I feel like for Blackpink this is like the most defined like show we've put together so that excites me and so like even for my solo thing like I can't wait for the day that like I kind of create this world that I'm obsessed with also that I just like want to be on stage all the time because that that's euphoric for everyone when you look at your future a decade from now two decades from now what do you want for yourself in the future what are your dreams that's a big question um

1:39:32I've now noticed that like I feel like when I was younger like it seemed really simple just like one dream and then once I'm there everything will be like I'll be like so happy I'll feel like I'm on top of the world all of that but I've noticed that there's just so much that goes to get to anywhere and I've also noticed that like what I love changes like my interests change and what makes me happy is always kind of ever-evolving and so I feel like it'll be hard to be like I'd like it to be like this um but now after everything that we've all lived through I feel like I hope at the end of like 10 you know in 10 years or 20 years time I'm just at the place I want to be and I found what makes me happy in that moment and that I'm peaceful um whatever that means what that means like I'd like to be I would love to live like Beyonce or or I'd like to like you know become an expert at um embroidery or I don't know whatever it is or I'd like to work at a hotel and like whatever it is I hope I'm like at a place that makes me feel inspired creative and just peaceful it's amazing Yeah.

1:40:53To wrap us up this incredible trip. I know. I know. I'm like sad to say that, but we'll keep drinking after this. I think throughout this entire trip, I've felt so lucky to get to know you. I feel so inspired by you as a woman and an entertainer and as a person. But I'm curious. I know you don't do a lot of interviews. so one how are you feeling about this whole experience with me in this conversation because you've opened up a lot like how are you feeling as I'm gonna leave soon I'm first of all very sad I'm almost like Sarah season two of this of our k-drama that we've created we'll do we'll do a part two at some point yeah I'd love that um but I feel like um so after like the interviews we did in Korea there were like these moments where I even went to my team and I was like do you think everything I said was I had like in the moment I felt so comfortable and I feel like you helped me really like open up and feel like human and like safe enough to share um my thoughts but even still I noticed like once I went home I was already I was already asking my team like do you think anything like I said will kind of turn back on me again do you think any of like the people online will use these like information as bait to like you know twist stories or whatnot and I was already back in fear and that's when I noticed like I remember the conversations we had and and also my team listening to these conversations were like no remember like the conversations that you have with her I think it should be okay and it's um it's a good thing what you're doing and so like this whole experience I've had with you is like another learning experience and and yes we'll go off and this will be online and we'll see what people say about it but I I think it's just a it's like you know even still I feel like I haven't opened up much and I'm hoping that the next time we meet I'll be even more comfortable I'll feel even more safe out in the open and And yeah, so I feel like it's just like a lot of emotions have been coming through doing this with you.

1:43:06And it was so much fun. It was an honor. You've given me so much confidence. You've given me confidence. Again, I feel like we have so much in common. And maybe we came together being like, I wonder what will we bond over? And I feel like I'm leaving being like, wow, I feel like I have so much to think about. Also, even just moving forward for me as an interviewer, you've really been so, it's been an enlightening. couple days so I appreciate your time because I know how busy you are I know you just got off stage after a three-hour show you've been at that stadium all day like thank you for your time and this is a treat I really hope with you thank you and I hope everyone watching this you shouldn't have anxiety because you have said nothing other than your own feelings and your thoughts about your own life and so anyone watching maybe just keep in mind that this is Rosie's life and so to comment negatively or whatever it be like maybe think before you write anything negative because i think you've really opened up in a beautiful way and the way to continue to get more of you and you to share is for people to be receptive of your vulnerability so i hope the next time we can just have fun talking about funny things because girl you know the fact that we have to like go back down to like it's so it sounds very depressing like we really cry right part two is us just having fun saying whatever the fuck i'm actually still not over me being like so rosie are you seeing anyone you went like this you flung off your chair your best friends in the room being like rosie get back in the chair i know she was like you know what i think that's what's so fun is i've only interviewed a couple people in my career multiple times and i know you're going to be one of them oh really i really do because i feel like i feel such i feel like we're right if anything at the beginning of this chapter for you like this isn't the middle or the end like i really feel like this is such a beginning of you and what we're going to continue to learn about you and you're going to grow and so i'm just honored that i got to meet you and i will be here whenever that next album comes out girl and we will sit down and we will talk about the tea we will decide every oh my god wait i already have like what five songs that like my friends when they listen they go like rosie and i'm like stop stop you can't tease me that okay you'll tell me off camera be perfect but call her daddy next episode part two rosie i'm so excited cheers cheers to that thank you for coming on call her daddy it was an honor thank you

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