Andy Cohen: The King of Bravo

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. Are you ready to fucking go? I'm ready to fucking go. Are you cozy? Yeah, I'm cozy. I'm cozy. These chairs are super cozy. I literally had them shipped to New York because it was the only thing that I could have here for Call Her Daddy and I figured we'd have the fucking chairs. I love it. Okay. Okay, is my mic okay? You look gorgeous. Okay, can I ask you a question? Andy, we're already starting. Okay, fine. And then I'm going to - Then you're going to shut the fuck up and let you top me. Okay, okay. Okay? But call her daddy.

0:38Here's the thing. Gay guys during sex sometimes like to call the other guy daddy. And I'm wondering, do straight guys ever call girls mommy during sex? Or is that creepy? Because it could be argued that it's creepy to say daddy during sex with a guy. but like this is a good way to start this episode okay good so my thought is no that's fucking creepy okay I also think it's different because daddy is a connotation of like it can be man or woman that's like you're a daddy you're a baller you're a hustler like you make money like you're rich you're powerful where there is like mommy doesn't have that yet maybe we can shift it today okay um so I think it's less sexual okay if a man called me mommy in the bedroom it would be a whole it would be two episodes of the podcast without a doubt it would be divorce or a breakup wherever i was at in my life i'd be fucking done okay do you call guys daddy during sex ever i know you're now i have yes i have it's not my thing i definitely think once i started call her daddy i think it men were expecting that like do i have to call and i was like no you don't have to actually call me daddy in the bedroom but you should treat me like a daddy yeah like i you still should be treating me like I'm not less than I'm fucking equal if not better than you bitch and so I think it just changed the vibe but I wasn't expecting a man to call me daddy but do men call girls daddy in the bed um well I have been called it wow that's interesting but I don't know you're like pegging it was more while like they were yeah while they were fucking me which I guess it's kind of like a power play, right?

2:23No, you're like, I am fascinating. And you know what I will say? And now I can say, cause I've had the show long enough. I would like someone to call me daddy, just not in the bedroom. Like I don't, I love when I'm on the streets. I love when I'm in a meeting and someone calls me daddy. I'm like, love you. But if your fucking pants are down and your dick is out, I don't want it. Matt has never called me that. And I love that for me. Probably that's why I married him. Got it. Okay. Okay. I just had to, sorry. I now relinquish Andy Cohen welcome to call her daddy thank you do you like being in the interviewee chair I'm good it depends who's doing the interview I think that talk show hosts make great guests because we don't like silence and we like to keep talking and we like to keep the ball in the air but I do have a tendency to kind of try to turn it around and I interviewed Howard Stern a couple weeks ago and I could tell from the very beginning I was like oh he is going to try to keep so it felt very I felt like I kept having to kind of interrupt him and stuff because I was trying to get control but no I don't mind it I enjoy it when like I'm excited to do this this is like a special occasion when I go on Stern I'm excited to do it if so I get what you're saying It's like if you're fucking with someone that's like we're kind of at the same level.

3:53We both do a similar job. So like we both know how this goes. But if you're actually getting fucking interviewed for like a magazine and you're on camera, I'm like, oh, my God, I don't even want to talk about myself half the time anymore. I just want to get the tea on other people. The hair. My hair. Yes. OK. Talk to me. How did you decide to grow it out? I love it. Thanks. Have you been getting rave reviews? You know what? It's been pretty positive feedback. Thanks for asking. It's really good. Yeah. Thanks. Are you going to keep it? You know, I think I am. I have a full head of hair. Which is not fake.

4:25Established. It's not faked. I have no pieces in my hair. And basically, I usually grow it out every summer because I get into a beach vibe every summer and I grow it out and I'm taping Watch What Happens Live less. This year, I also this summer lost some weight. and I think that when your face is thinner, you can carry off longer hair better. And so I was like, oh wait, this actually now looks better because my face is a little thinner. So I think there's something happening in tandem. Oh, that's so interesting. And when you went on this, is it like a health journey or you're just like, I need to lose weight?

5:06Both. Are you like running? Are we working out? What are we doing? We're doing everything. Do you feel better? I feel great. Yes. I have seen some people being like, he seems like in a good mood on the show recently, which I didn't know if it was just because it was also like you were just coming off a vacation from summer. I am in a major natural high, even though I love edibles and whatever. But I'm feeling I just moved into like my dream apartment. I have two kids. My show got picked up for two years. Everything is so good. Knock on wood that I'm just and everything. And I feel good about myself.

5:41And it really does. At the beginning in May, I couldn't button my suits. I was kind of at an all time high. And I was like, I didn't feel good about myself. And I'm someone who usually feels pretty good about myself. What was your advice for food? What were you eating? I was eating everything and just drinking a lot. And I was just snacking a lot. And I have kids and I'm making them. My dad's like my dad, my my son is like, yeah, I don't want any more mac and cheese. And I'm like, well, I'll finish it. And like waffles and let's all get ice cream and burgers. And so it's like I was like a Hoover.

6:20I was hoovering food. It's so bad. No self control. And then it watched What Happens Live. Oh, Andy, this chocolate chip cookie company sent you this huge thing. And then I have two tequilas on the show and I'm like, where's that cookie? So like I was a psycho. I was just a psycho. Oh my God. Okay. Well, I think that you looked great then. You look great now, but I'm happy that you feel good. I feel great. Okay. So you don't have clip-ins in your hair. I was thinking though, are you a high maintenance or low maintenance person? The lowest. Really? Well, in terms of what? I don't know. just like your life.

6:54Like what's the most high maintenance thing about you? Well, I'm pretty picky in terms of travel and hotels and things like that. I'm a man of taste. Okay. Daddy. Yes, you are. And so I'm, I'm very picky about things like that. I'm picky in terms of how I like my show produced or profession. I'm professionally picky. If I go into a reunion, I I'm picky about how the day is going to go. Oh, reunion stuff because holy fucking shit but we're gonna get there we're gonna ease in we're gonna ease it it's a journey let's ease in take care of me I'm gonna take care of you slowly why don't you make love to the daddy game right now and tell them what your tagline is let's start like real housewives we've always got to do it you do yours look at the camera tell the girls I'm a father of two but a daddy to many oh my now did you come up with that on your own did someone come up with it for you no I think I came up with that and even if you didn't just go with Just fucking lie.

7:54In what ways are you a daddy? I take care of people. I am very decisive. I am a little bossy. I am a top. I am, yeah, I'm pretty opinionated. I like to be in control. I think daddies are in control. So you're dominating it all. Yes. Okay. you've done your radio show at Sirius XM for what almost 10 years I've I've had my radio channel for 10 years I have two channels on Sirius but it is the 10th anniversary of Radio Andy congratulations thanks it's pretty fucking incredible thanks I'm excited about it okay um I have heard that you've blacklisted celebrities from coming on watch what happens live what does it take for a guest to actually piss you off and is that true wow you know what there's a short list okay okay okay uh and it either there have been people who've been not nice to my staff that will get you on the list yeah i mean unless you're a huge star and then it's like okay whatever that's kind of you know you're like treat them like she's a diva and that's so fierce um she was a cunt uh you're like come back soon babe love you and then i'm like sorry to my staff member like You know what?

9:13I mean, we all have to deal with it. No, but so, I mean, no, I think that would that would get you on there. I think. You know, I think people who just come on, there are people who just have had so many stipulations about the interview and I'm like, you know what? Let's not do this. Like, it's good. We're good. because also the expectation with me is that I'm going to go there much like you. And so it's like I'm not doing this. Right. I'm not trying to make you uncomfortable, but you've got to play the game. Exactly. Okay, wait. Could you name one person? Probably not. Okay. Okay. We're going to play one of your games.

9:55Marry, Shag, Kill. Okay. Howard Stern. Okay. Tom Sandoval. Craig Conover. oh I would oh interesting okay well that is a little bit of an HR issue because Craig is still on Bravo so I think I'm gonna make it easy I'm gonna marry Howard you know I mean listen I'm gonna shag Sandoval because I do think he is very he's like one of the prettiest men that I've he's a very pretty looking man Absolutely I've never met him And Craig I'm going to have to kill Only because it's an HR issue And I just want him I don't want him to feel uncomfortable If I was like I would check Craig True So we're kind of reading between the lines That maybe if he's off of Bravo soon You would slot him Maybe he'd be in play a little bit I love Craig Okay That's a good answer

11:08Okay, now we're going to play a Caller Daddy game. Okay. It's called Confessor Text. That's why I had you bring your phone out. Okay. Here's how it works. I'm going to ask you a juicy question. Okay. You can answer the question. Then we move on to the next. If you don't want to answer the question, you then have to send a text to a person that is in that bowl and the text is written. Three of the four people in that bowl I've actually interviewed and they're your friends. So that will be fun. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. Number one, how much money did you make last year? Oh my God. Oh my God. I have to text someone.

11:41Oh my God. Really? I thought you weren't going to answer that. Are you fucking kidding me? There's no way I'm answering that. Why not? Because I feel like it's douchey and I feel like frankly, I'm in a position in my life where I'm making money that is totally, there's an incredible wage inequity with people that I work with and also people who do jobs that are way more important than mine, like special ed teachers or home hospice care. I mean, so - You're self-aware. It is not fair. No one needs to hear. It's ridiculous. Love, text. Who's it to? Lisa Vanderpump. What does it say? We're gonna shake up the Beverly Hills cast.

12:28Who do you think I should cut next season? What's it going to take to get you back on Housewives? You either text one of those. Which one do you want to do? I think I'll text her. I think I'll text her. Well, she's going to say Kyle. Stop. Shaking up BH cast. Who should we? Who should we part? I'm saying it excellent with. Yes. Look at the smirk on your fucking face. Okay. You're like a little shit. Okay. It doesn't matter how much money you make. I think that's easy. That's easy. That's easy. So you think she's going to say Kyle? Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay. Next. What public relationship? And she's so cheeky.

13:14She'll probably say goodbye, Kyle. Okay. What public relationship do you think is purely PR? Oh, wow. Okay. Or has been PR? Um, I suspected that Amaya Papaya and her guy, I was like, I don't know. What? Because you got the vibes from the reunion? No. Even before the reunion, I was like, I went into that feeling a little like, is this, are they on or off? And did you think it was both of them playing in or do you think it was Brian using Amaya? Because that's, I think, a huge conspiracy. I didn't have an opinion about who was working the other. You just thought it was fake. I just thought, I don't know if I would say it was fake, but I was wondering if it either had legs or it was still going.

14:00You may have been right because they're done. Okay. What really went down between Brandi Glanville and Caroline Manzo? You know what? If it were up to me, you would be seeing the entire thing. I would like nothing more than for everyone to see that. Wasn't it just legal? It's not my. You know what? some things happen at Bravo that go or on Bravo or on the shows where people are like, why did you do this? Why did you do that? Or why didn't you keep this person or whatever? And I will say there are situations where it's in the network's hands and not me. I'm a free agent and I am a executive producer of all of the Housewives shows, but certainly not the last word.

14:52I'm a loud voice in the room, but not the only voice. Good to know. What work have you had done? I've had no work done. I have had, I lost 25 pounds this year. I started just, I think this year, to get a teeny bit of Botox in my forehead. I've had it done twice. It's, I'm still. You've got movement. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's like, it's a teeny bit. I am thinking of having a smidge more. I don't want to look crazy. You look great. But that is it. I've had nothing done. Not a thing. You're so fucking real for that. I love that. Yeah. I also feel like if I do have something done, I'm going to have to immediately talk about it.

15:37Because I ask every housewife, what have you had done? And I feel like it would be so hypocritical. This summer I microdosed a GLP-1 and I immediately talked about it when I came back from break after Labor Day because I was like, I will be the hypocrite of the universe for not saying this because of every question I've asked. I will be such an asshole. So I just knew that I had to do it. What is a GLP-1? It's like a Munjaro, Wagovi, whatever. Yeah. No, I saw a clip this morning of you talking to, I think it was Larsa. And you were like, she was like, I had my boobs done. I had this and you're like your butt she's like um my boobs you're like and your butt you had your butt I was like honestly Andy love fucking love it um okay which housewives firing caused the most behind the scenes chaos huh behind the scenes chaos I would say look I would say when we totally revamped Roni and I would also say when we let go of at the end of season four Roni when we let go of Jill, Alex, Kelly, Cindy, Barshop.

16:48I think that was kind of a big thing. But I have to say, I mean, the chaos behind the scenes, it wasn't, you know, it was just while we're doing something very bold. Okay. Okay. Have you ever slept with a member of the Bravo universe? No. Never. Never. Never. And that's just been an intentional or it hasn't presented itself? I think that even I understand the rules of the game there as far as that goes. There have been a couple that I would that that in my mind I've thought like that would be interesting. But yeah, I think that would probably especially at this point be unwise. Yeah, I completely agree.

17:34You should keep where you're at and don't fuck it up. All good. Do you think Wendy from Potomac faked her home invasion? You know what? I love Wendy from Potomac. And I am really very strongly hoping that this doesn't pan out to be anything. I think she's been a great role model. And she's really led with her education and her family values. reviews and so you know i don't know anything about the case but except that i was caught totally off guard by that dude um okay text two more people because you answered all the fucking questions i knew you no why do i have to pick one pick one yeah take a look take a look okay i know holy shit i need to ask you harder questions anderson i've gotten myself in a bad financial situation this is awkward can you help me out he would be like you're high what if instead of shots this year new year's eve we do shrooms i think the ratings would be crazy you don't think i've suggested that already okay fuck john mayor i'm going on caller daddy with the alex any advice we've already had that conversation what did he say yesterday what did he say he's like you're gonna be great he goes go um he was like deliver deliver he was like you know you know what you're doing fair yeah love you john um i think i'm ready for my music debut will you help me he'd be like absolutely baby um sj just realized i never asked you're leaving shoes in your will for lucy right she'd be like there will be something special hypothetically speaking if i wanted to buy carrie's iconic pink dress from you how much would it cost she would be like who's fuck off who's on okay good so i got the right one with lisa yeah okay um when i was prepping for this interview i realized we have something in common which is we both went to boston university Wow.

19:26And so did Howard. Yes. It's like a breeding ground for Sirius XM people. Look at us. Sirius. Like how would you describe yourself as a freshman at that point in your life? I was in the closet. Hard to believe. I was like I was a hippie. I was a deadhead. I still am a deadhead. But I was like a straight ish version. So I was a little more like, hey, you know, I was different. There's video of me at the time. I'm like putting it on. I'm like, yeah. Uh, and, but you knew you were gay at that point. Oh, did I? Part of the reason I went to BU, frankly, was because not only they had a great college of communication, but they, is that where you went?

20:11Yep. Yeah. They, um, they, it was a city school with no campus and I didn't want to get sucked into an environment where I would be found out. And I wanted to be able to disappear in a world. And I also was super scared of the fraternal system, which I now am understanding is where all of the gay sex happens. So I'm like, what the hell? I should have gone to like Indiana or whatever. And these idiot confused straight guys would be blowing me every night. And I actually would be, you know, so that was dumb because all my friends are like, oh, I was, I mean, Sigma Chi at Cornell, not to blow anyone up, but like the stories I have heard, like there are so many gay friends that I have.

20:58And I'm like, wait, you were on the swim team where and what happened? So, yeah, I get it because it feels like it would be like a homophobic situation. Meanwhile, they're like fucking doing you in the bathroom and then they're going to reunite with their girlfriend. They're like creeping into your they're all creepers at night drunk. And then they're like, what? This didn't happen. Wait, and where did you grow up? St. Louis. Okay. Where'd you grow up? Pennsylvania. Okay. So I was excited about BU too, but was your family supportive when you came out? Yeah, they were great. You were just socially nervous to come out.

21:34Well, look, it was a different time. Yeah. And everybody was dying of AIDS. I came out in 1988. I mean, this was a totally different time. There were not many gay people on TV at the time. Will and Grace wasn't on. Um, so it was the real world was starting at that time. And I think the real world started in like 90 and that was like the first gay guy, you know, my age was on TV. So it was a very different time. Totally. And it was scary. It was it was a way scarier. I even as liberal as my parents were. We got the New York Times delivered to our doorstep when I was growing up. But I didn't have a sense that me being gay was going to be that amazing news for anyone.

22:21And also it, the idea of having a family, if you were coming out of the closet was not, I remember the conversation I had with my mom. And one of the first things she said was, I probably would have hated your wife anyway, which is a great fucking line. Um, and she probably would have, by the way, it would have been a nightmare for me. So, but I, I said to her, she was like, she said during that time that I came out with her she to her she said I'm really mourning the loss of the life that I wanted for you and I said well what was that life and she was like well like you having a family or you being a dad and I was like well I could still be a dad and she and I didn't believe it when I said it and she didn't believe what I was selling because it really was not how was I gonna be a dad and now that would never happen and now two children no but that did she text back no Anderson did oh you didn't even text him oh wow it's good news for him oh that's good Anderson I love that um no I I can I cannot imagine what it would have been like back then and I also though get what your headspace was of like if I go to a city I can kind of go all around and BU is like that like you can go to the west end you can go to the south like you can go anywhere and kind of disappear yeah which is not normal for college experiences.

23:43Yes. During this time though, weren't you really kind of clear career wise? Like you were in journalism. Yeah. Did you know what you wanted to do? I wanted to be, my total dream was to be on, be myself on television, but there were not many places where you could do that again. Like maybe being a VJ, which I auditioned for to be an MTV VJ. I was, I think you would have been good at that. I, I did not have my shit together. I didn't and my look together. What did you look like? I look so much better now than I did as a kid. I just was like, I had this kind of juifro and it was just bad. It was bad, bad fashion, bad.

24:23And so I wanted to do that. And then my last internship was at CBS News and my kind of mentor there was like, you know, your eyes are so crossed. You'll never be on TV. And I was like, oh my God, okay. And then I went behind the camera. And so I kind of gave up my dream of being on TV. I thought maybe I could be a reporter somewhere, but I didn't want to go to a small market and work my way up. I wanted to go straight to NYC, man, which is what I did. And I just started working behind the scenes. Wait, someone saying that to you is kind of fucking shitty. I'm saying, you know what? By the way, I came up at a time where it was totally legal to say shitty things to everybody to their face.

25:05And it was like another day at work. So, I mean, I will say it toughened us all up. It was another universe of time. I've had pencils thrown at me in meetings. I mean, like, I've had people say so many tears, so much stuff. But, like, you know, I feel tougher as a result of it. I was going to ask you, like, early days of your career, obviously you have to start somewhere. Like, what was the most humbling bitch work that you had to do? Oh, I mean, I was working on the morning show at CBS ripping scripts at three in the morning. I mean, I was I was but I was like, whoa, I made it. I thought I was like, this is so cool because my check came from CBS.

25:49That is I worked at the CBS Broadcast Center. I was like I was 23 or 22. I was I was the youngest. I kept being the youngest. I was the youngest like associate producer. I was the youngest producer. And so I was like a success story at that time. But I was doing all sorts of bitch work. So but you moved to New York City after college, which is amazing. And when you're living this life of CBS, are you partying? Are you exploring your sexuality? Oh, I was fucking ever. Oh, it was awesome. I got no sleep ever. I worked and I was telling you know there was no grinder there was no um so if you wanted to meet people you would go out and there were so many more gay bars in New York City and there were gay bars in every neighborhood it was like random neighborhoods in the east 30s there were five gay I mean it was crazy so you'd be home and then at 11 at night you'd be like yeah screw this I'm I'm going to go to, you know, I'm going to go to the works.

26:53There was a bar called the works on Columbus Avenue and 81st street. It was so great. And all these video bars and they just showed videos and you would meet, you would go alone and you wouldn't meet people and you would run into people that you knew from the neighborhood and whatever. And it was just a different universe. And I think that people are so fucked by social media and everything. And it was, it was so cool. I met so many people and I'm not saying I slept with so many people. I'm not saying I didn't, but, um, but it was awesome. And I just feel like when you move to New York, you choose life and you are choosing to live.

27:33And that goes today as it went yesterday. But I was like, I was truly living my dream then. And I was like, this is the only place I want to be. And I don't care if I get three hours of sleep for the whole time that I live here because this is so amazing. And I did. I relate a lot to that. When I graduated from BU, I went right to New York City. I had like no fucking job. I moved in with a boyfriend that I hated. And I was like, let's fucking go. And I was out every fucking night. I was at the clubs. I was sucking dick. And I was having a great fucking time. And I was like, let's go. And you lean in and you have fun because you know it's not forever, forever that you can like be in that moment.

28:13Yes. Okay, wait. But also I was like, I will show up at 5 a.m. to work. Great. Perfect. And I'll be excited about it. So when do you get on camera? Oh, I didn't get on camera for many years later. I got on camera when I, in the year 2000, Barry Diller offered me a job running programming at this startup cable channel. And I knew Barry socially. Still no Vanderpump. Turn your fucking phone off. We're done. so I'll check it at the end Barry offered me a job I left CBS News after 10 years I was running programming at this teeny cable channel called Trio that nobody ever saw or heard of but I learned the ropes of kind of cable programming from this team from Barry Diller and this team he created which is amazing highly recommend his book which came out this year it's incredible It's amazing.

29:09So worked there. The channel got the plug was pulled and Barry, this company merged with NBC Universal, which owned Bravo. I was being offered the job of head of current programming on Bravo. but Viacom was starting a gay channel called Logo. And I was like, wait, I'm the gayest guy in TV. I should be running this channel called Logo. So I went and interviewed for that job, which I didn't get. And I was like, are you fucking kidding me? You're not giving me this job? I couldn't believe it. So I went and worked for Bravo. Not getting that job saved my life. I wouldn't be calling you daddy if I got that job.

29:57So like, honestly, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be, you know. So anyway, a few years into it, now we've launched Project Runway and Top Chef and Workout and Flipping Out. And here come the Housewives. And I would say I started, I started emailing my bosses dishy behind the scenes stuff from the set of a show that I was on. And they were, my boss, Lawrence Elasnik said, wow, you're a really good writer. You should be the first network executive to have a blog on Bravo TV on the website. So I started blogging as a network executive every day. And I started also talking about what I did the night before.

30:41And I went to Tropez last week and all this stuff. And then as a result of the blog, I started getting interviewed by CNN and stuff like talking head stuff. We need a TV executive to talk about sex in the city ending or this happening or that happening. And so I started doing that. And my boss was like, and I was like, and she knew that I wanted to be on TV. That was my goal. She said, what if we turn your blog into like a show on bravotv.com and you can after show after top chef and that's how watch what happened started and that's how the reunion started all because of this show online and my boss believed in me and gave me the chance that is an incredible story also for anyone listening because i feel like i have a lot of people at that point where they're maybe be at the precipice of feeling like they're they thought they were going to get something in their career and they didn't and you are literally breathing proof to be like if you got denied from a job it could be actually the best fucking thing that's ever happened to you because look at you life lesson you wouldn't be probably exactly where i'm sure you would have made it in a different capacity different but i don't know that i would have made it on air because it's highly unconventional that someone would believe in you behind the scenes to the point the other two things i will say as life lessons were that even though I had to pivot from being on the air, I was so excited to be a producer and I was very grateful for all these opportunities that that was presenting me.

32:17And I felt like, wow, this is awesome. So I still was happy to be working in television. The second thing is when I was getting these opportunities in front of the camera, I was not so full of myself to believe. I wasn't getting high on my own fumes. So I wasn't saying to Bravo, well, now you need to pay me like a shit ton of money because I'm on the air and I'm a star. I waited until I knew that I was worth something to them. And I knew that I had to be even better at my day job in charge of programming because this on-air stuff was the chance they were giving me and it was not the thing. What I was hired for was to be in charge of programming.

33:01And I was like, now is not the time to keep your eye, take your eye off this wheel because they could take this away at any minute. Right. It's like really making sure you're good at your fucking day job so that if your boss does give you like, okay, you can do the side project essentially. Don't make that your whole fucking MO because you need to still have your core, core, core. And you did that. Wait, so when did you though get over, this guy tells you, you know oh your eyes or whatever you're not going to make it on to how did you find the confidence in front of camera well I've never been short of confidence okay so I knew I could do it and when my boss had confidence in me to do it and also I was doing these interviews and I was like you know I they're like okay he can talk and be on tv and also being a producer I was producing myself I understand how to be on tv because I'm a good producer that's a great point that makes you you have a different leg up because a lot of talent comes in and they're like where do I look and oh that's a camera and they don't even know what the fuck a camera is.

34:00That's why the first night I went live on watch what happens live I wasn't nervous because I understand tv time and I understand how much I can fit in three minutes and when my ep in my ear is saying you know you have a minute left I know what I can do with that minute and I know how I want to end the act and I know what I want to tease to and I'm producing myself I if I was not a tv producer I would not be as successful as I am, I think. Yes. It's interesting to note that when I did go on camera with this after show, all the comments were, oh my God, that guy has such crossed eyes. So it did come into play and I had to get over it.

34:38And my mom was like, you don't have crossed eyes. I'm like, apparently I really do. So I would joke about it on the air or whatever. But then when Watch What Happens Live started, I did have a couple years of imposter syndrome where I was like, who do you think you are? You're not a late night comic. You're not a standup. You don't deserve this. I did have for the first times really feelings and I had to overcome that. And also people online were saying that I gave myself my own talk show, which wasn't possible. Everyone has a boss. I work for a big company. So I wasn't able to kind of circumvent an entire universe and give myself a show.