Anna Delvey (FBF)

0:02What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Call Her Daddy. I am your host, Alexandra Cooper, and I am here today to answer the question that everyone has been asking on the internet. Who the fuck is Anna Delvey? She has family money. She's a European socialite. She has a trust fund. It's just tied up. She'll be good for it. She'll wire you the money. What is that accent? Oh my God. She's really high up in the art world. I heard, I heard that she's a German heiress. Her real name is Anna Sorokin, but she changed her name to Anna Delvey when she arrived in New York city and she pretended to be someone that she was not.

0:55She inserted herself into the world of art and fashion and finance in the greatest city in the world, New York. Anna Delvey quite literally walked into banks and convinced these rich dick investors that her idea, an art club for New York society, was worth investing millions and millions of dollars into. Now you're probably thinking, why would they invest if this girl has no money? Because she forged bank documents and falsely claimed that she had$60 million in a trust, which she absolutely did not. Anna lived in fancy New York City hotels, and she racked up over$30 ,000 in unpaid room charges.

1:41She promised she was going to pay them back, but she couldn't. She was well-known, mysterious, convincing. Her life was a dream come true until it wasn't. Anna Sorokin was arrested on October 3rd, 2017 and rejected a plea deal and she stood trial. Anna was convicted of eight guilty charges, including grand larceny in the second degree, attempted grand larceny and theft of service. Anna was sentenced to four to 12 years in prison, fined$24 ,000 and ordered to pay almost$200 ,000 in restitution. She went to prison for her crimes. At the time of our interview on Monday, March 7th, so about a week ago, Anna was detained in upstate New York at the Orange County Correctional Facility.

2:41This was the first interview that I conducted with someone physically in prison. And I want to prepare you for what you're going to see and hear. Due to COVID restrictions, I was unable to visit the prison. So I interviewed Anna over a video chat app specifically designed for inmates. The app only allows 15 minutes per call. So throughout the episode, you're going to hear us pause mid-interview because our 15 minutes were up. And I'd have to wait for her to call me back. also at times you may hear other conversations happening in the background Anna was in the common room with her inmates and we had no control over the noise level and who was coming into the room at the time so also you're about to hear Anna talk about the fear of being deported she does not want to go back to Germany she wants to stay in the United States but earlier this week it was announced that Anna Sorokin was released from jail and ordered to return to Germany.

3:46But apparently she also may not be getting deported or she's not on that plane because it's currently unclear where Anna Sorokin is. Everyone thought she was getting on a plane to go back to Germany and all the news outlets are saying she didn't. So where the fuck is Anna Delphi? Am I shocked that she didn't get on the plane and she got her way out of it? No, not really. Nothing with Anna shocks me anymore. Daddy gang, this is Anna Sorokin.

4:30Bye! Anna, it's so nice to meet you finally. So nice to meet you too. To clarify, should I refer to you as Anna Delvey, not Anna Sorokin? Sure, yeah. Are you ever going to legally change it? I mean, I should if they ever let me out of jail for longer than six weeks. You're like, the first thing I'm doing is going shopping. The second thing I'm doing is changing my fucking name. The first thing I'm going to do is laser my eyes because I'm so sick and tired of all those glasses. this for some reason. People think it's like an accessory, but like I'm half blind. I can't see anything. What is your daily routine like right now in jail?

5:14Well, there's none because here like in jail, you just kind of do whatever you want. So I kind of wake up like they bring mail super early and I get all kinds of mail now. It's just so crazy. I have like people wanting to adopt me. I don't like get any haters I guess they just go like to my IG or to Twitter have you gotten any love letters definitely more marriage proposals than I ever did before my criminal career started you should be like let me see your W2 and then we'll have a conversation I have a jail assistant so I'll have her do that you have a jail assistant can you explain what does a jail assistant do we have tablets where I'm like video chatting you from but the tablets die like all the time so I'll go for like maybe two or three but there are some people who don't use theirs I'm buying tablets off of other people and like their phone minutes because the phone is like so tricky so I'm just doing all kinds of things you're working the system as you know best I know yeah it's just like so did you have a hustle because I remember when I interviewed Amanda Knox she was saying basically like your skills become your currency almost like did you have a hustle at all at Rikers no not at all it's like if you have money you don't really have to do anything it's just like I mean and Rikers like you cannot do your laundry like you have to like hand wash it so you just pay somebody to do it we so you were paying people off in jail to just like do your stuff yeah absolutely they actually um think i'm like super rich so where were you getting the money to pay them well they don't care about that and you were getting money from your bank account yeah in rikers you kind of became popular among the inmates.

7:10What do you think they liked about you, Anna? That's a good question for them. I don't know. Do you think you're a likable character? I don't know. It's not something I want to say about myself. I hope I am. I try not to be insufferable. I don't know. You told New York Magazine reporter Jessica Pressler of all the people that you met in prison you found the murderers the most interesting what do you remember about the conversations that you had with them I guess the most kind of revelatory thing about it is like they're just normal and they're just like you and me so many crimes that just like happen like in a moment just like that and like then your life is just like never the same as opposed to mine which was kind of like a buildup and it was like years in the making so and that's like difference i imagine i would have been so much more upset if i like got mad and just whatever shot my boyfriend and then i would just have all my life would be taken away i have to call you back it's like three seconds okay i'm hoping i can fucking hear her um okay wait what do i do press use my balance to pay.

8:34Okay. Do not disturb. Okay. We're back. Okay. This is what you're asking what I need an assistant for. Holy shit. Okay. Let's go back to your childhood. As a little girl, what did you want to be when you grew up? I always wanted to be in fashion. definitely I did not know what exactly but um I don't know I like grew up watching MTV and I thought like fashion PR is just the coolest thing um I remember like watching Kelly Cattrone so stuff like that I don't know I didn't really know but I just like I loved print and I loved magazines so I either wanted to be like on one side or the other and you were born in Russia do you still have family and friends there are they being affected by the war right now no well your parents and your family packed up and moved to germany when you were 15 why did your family have to move and did you want to go well my dad owned like a business like a trucking business they were like um having like drivers go back and forth transporting like goods across Europe and he was partners with like some German person and that's how he'd be located.

9:54Did your mom have a job? No my mom had like the second child my little brother at the time so he was pretty young so she was like busy with him. Did you and your parents get along growing up? On and off I was like they were best friends with my parents and they kind of like let me do my thing I'd say what would you guys fight about if anything well I just hated to be told what to do or like I hated on them to like put any restrictions like about any rules I was just like allergic to authority or like to rules especially when I thought they were unreasonable and like I just hated to explain myself because I was just so used to being given freedom freedom and then like when that was when they attempted to take it away or impose some kind of like restrictions on me I did not really react like what would they try to take away if you were getting in trouble like my car or I could not like go and spend the night at my friend's house or just yeah like I could not go out or they would just like try to financially restrict me especially my mom and I hated that I never wanted to be like controlled with money did you ever then consider at a young age like getting a job since like you wanted to have financial independence

11:17um yeah yes and no like none of my friends really had a job that was not a thing I don't know oh no I actually had a job so um my dad was renting out um we had like this huge whatever some kind of like industrial building and this like solar company was renting it from them so they employed me and they like totally overpaid me I got like a paid vacation after like just working for them for six weeks because they were like American and they didn't know like German boys and they literally gave me like paid Christmas vacation I got like 1500 just for doing nothing but I was extremely overpaid I was making like 30 euros an hour or something like that do you think you were more like obsessed with money than the average kid um i don't know i just wanted to have the freedom that comes with it what did you want to say i just want to like to do what i wanted i don't know just like go um i don't know travel and go places and do things without having like because if you ask your parents for money like you need their permission right but if you have your own you just go and do whatever you want so i guess Like, money just always kind of represented freedom for me, not just, like, for the sake of the money.

12:38So were you closer if you had to stay with your mom or your dad? I'd say I would stay with my dad because I would have more freedom and less oversight. And whoever would give me more money, too, definitely. Where do you think your aversion to authority started? I'd say, I guess it's pretty strongly worded, aversion to authority. I just, I don't know. I guess because my parents, like, I was really good in school when I was younger, so they just trusted my judgment and then just let me do whatever I wanted to. But then when I kind of started getting older, when I was like, oh, maybe I don't need to, like, spend two months studying this geography book because I'm really not that interested.

13:16So when I kind of, like, started to catch on to that and I started to, like, oh, maybe we need to, like, get her to do something. I guess I just, like, stepped in too late. I don't want to like blame stuff on my parents, but it's like, if you kind of grow up, like, I guess when you're like 16, 17 is not really the age to start imposing roles on somebody. If you like fail to do so. Do you think you also got worse as a teenager to your parents once you moved to Germany and you started to like rebel a little bit more? Oh, definitely. I think that's like the same for everybody. You know, like when you realize your parents are not all that, like, yeah.

13:57yeah people around the world are imitating your accent and it is one of the most popular sounds on tiktok right now did you know that oh really no i did not so what do you think do i sound uh the way like they flip me you know i think a lot of people are talking about it how like the show inventing anna on netflix is dramatizing your accent yeah what has been the wildest thing you've heard about your accent um like when i when i heard julia talking like me the first time i'm like oh my gosh do i sound this insufferable it's just so weird like hearing um yourself it's like the same when you just hear your voice being recorded it's like totally different from the way you uh hear yourself when you speak i don't know at this point i'm just so used to it like i don't know and to everyone that thought it was fake.

14:56I mean, people just say so many things about me. I just don't care. It's just the way I speak. I don't know. I never put on any accents. It's just the way I talk. Did anybody ever hear me speak any different? Then they should like come up with the evidence, whoever accused me of that. I want to see the proof. So then let's talk. Oh no, 60 seconds left. Okay. When I close this out, I'm going to close the app and then you'll just call me back okay i'm going to hang up and um i will call you like in two minutes okay bye

15:30okay we're back hey that was easier than the first time we kind of got it figured out now no okay so oh is someone in there it's okay uh yeah someone's on the phone is it too loud um yeah we can wait like a second it's okay um so it's just because i kind of like made her go away you're fine all right okay so let's talk about your move to new york why did you move to new york um well i kind of ended up having more friends in new york than i did like in paris or in europe or like anywhere else and um i don't know i traveled quite a lot i never just like moved moved what did you love about new york um i just love the energy of the city and i just love like you can get anything done um at any time it's like very different from europe because in europe like everything's closed on Sundays and everything's closed like after five or six p.m.

16:36you cannot like pay anybody enough to like get anything for you and it's just different like I grew up in Europe so I guess it was exciting for me it's always about getting something with you Anna um so you get to New York and you start going to all of these popular events and clubs how did you introduce yourself to people um I don't even remember I guess Anna Delphi so you would just say your name is anna delvey what would you say where were you from and what was your job um well i was from germany which was true and um i didn't really like no one ever asked me about my job i feel like that's so interesting because i lived in new york and i feel like all anyone cares about is asking what do you do for a living and why did you change your name to Anna Delvey?

17:27For no reason, really. I don't know. I really like came up with it randomly. There's like no good story behind it. I know like people always try to discover something, but that was just not there. I don't even know. It just kind of doesn't really mean anything. And it was just random. You don't view Anna Delvey and Anna Sorokin as two different like personalities? Absolutely not. No, I like it. There's absolutely no difference. Because like in jail they always call me like by my government name which is so rocking it's like literally doesn't feel like anything to me there's just nothing nothing in there you don't have like a personal attachment to your birth last name absolutely not i don't think i have attachment like to any countries any names it's just like not my thing i don't know this is not the way like i see myself or define myself do you ever wonder why i don't know it's hard to explain i which is always like this if you could try like how would you try to explain that to someone that doesn't understand like not identifying with anything i don't know i think it's like pretty small-minded when you're like oh if you see somebody oh this person is from germany or whatever this person is from russia like let me and like i like them more than i like somebody who is i don't know from japan i don't know i think i was just always kept um trying to keep like an open mind or maybe because I'm moved around so much.

18:52I don't feel like I'm from anywhere. I feel like I kind of belong nowhere. That sounds kind of lonely, Anna. Are you ever lonely? But not like in a bad way. Wouldn't it be sad when you just like spend your whole life in one place? I don't think it's about spending your life in one place. I think it's about feeling like you belong to something and not feeling like you're wandering alone in this life it can be pretty lonely but um I guess like I choose people um like I choose people the ones I choose to relate to they don't have to be my neighbors or like I don't have to grow up with them for me to want to be friends with them how would you have described your friend group when you were living in New York um I think it's like what was mostly fashion and art people there's like always somebody like people in New York they always travel somebody's like always gone for like a couple months and they come back so it's like like New York is pretty anonymous that's why it's just so bizarre to me it's like how these people like just assume they know so much about me it's like I didn't know anything about you either like neither do I care like nobody asks you it's like who are your parents and what do they do and how much money they make It was just outrageous.

20:10So I was going through your Instagram, and back in 2013 and 2014, you were posting mostly, like, art and beautiful views, and you would rarely post yourself. Your face was usually covered. What was your strategy behind that? I love that you, like, assume there's a strategy behind it. There was none. I don't know. I was just kind of, like, posting what I saw. and um that was like the beginning of instagram right right um and i guess i was just trying to i was like still hanging out around a lot of like art people so i was just like posting a lot of art i say strategy only because i think every single person on instagram can admit like we are all trying to make people feel a certain way about us did you feel pressure to keep up with the rich people in New York City?

21:08I mean, yeah, I guess. Like, who isn't? I would always want to, like, get more stuff or, like, go there, eat at that restaurant. So I guess, yeah, it's fair to say that it was. Do you think you would have had the level of social success that you had in New York without social media? I haven't already saw my social media as, like, a big part of anything. to be honest um people just assumed I was trying to impress anybody with whatever 40 50 60 million like it's borderline poor in New York there's just so many rich people in there like you can't impress anybody it's not even like you had that so it's like Instagram was kind of like the path if someone's gonna look you up from a vibe they got it definitely reiterated like oh I feel like this girl looks kind of wealthy like art and exhibits and planes so it like it it does help the persona a little bit I guess yeah but there was just like always I don't know thousands of people who did so I never saw myself oh am I like the only person who pokes nothing like that there's just like always somebody with more followers somebody better so it's like I never saw myself oh my gosh I'm kind of killing like at this so so you went to jail for crimes committed while you were trying to launch the Anna Delvey foundation if you could have selected three people to be at the opening of your foundation who would you have selected oh my gosh this is such a hard question um three people alive or dead alive right yeah I mean Anna Wintour that's for fashion and then somebody in tech like Steve Jobs if you take somebody who's dead do you care at all about like influencers like the Kardashians or no um I mean that's too many of the Kardashians so it wouldn't fit the free people but would you invite them all I mean sure I don't want to discriminate so okay 27 seconds left I'm gonna let's hop back off and then get back on Okay.

23:18Okay.

23:21I mean, I started to, I think, push her a little bit more. Yeah. When I was like, well, you didn't have that money, so. When she said I have no, what was that what she said? She was like, I have, I feel no connection to anything. Okay, here we go. Okay, let me record. Okay. Okay, let's get to the bottom of the rumor that you were a German heiress. Did you ever at any point in your life tell someone that you were going to be inheriting money? No. Okay, did you ever tell people that you were a German heiress? No, like no one introduces yourself like that. Like what kind of sentence is that? But it's completely ridiculous.

24:10Where do you think that narrative started? Well, I think people like kind of like put together the story after the DA's office released the original press release from when I got arraigned like in October 2017. I guess I like that would be my assumption, but I don't know. It's hard for me like to track this because I was just in jail that whole time. Right. But even prior to you having anything to do with the law, like how did people think that you were supporting this very expensive life in New York? Well, I would like, I cannot like testify to what people are assuming about me. I don't know.

24:48So when you're picking up tabs, like no one's, no one ever asked you, like, where do you get all this money from? I mean, I don't know what's doing like anything so super crazy. I feel like there's just people who are like spending, who were spending way more money than I did. I feel like going to a hotel and spending$63 ,000 like that's kind of a lot Anna yeah well that was not like a daily basis that was just like a one-time thing but even living in a hotel that's that's in New York City that's a lot of fucking money I actually don't feel that way because I know so many people who live in a hotel and it's actually cheaper than like renting an apartment where you have to commit for like a whole year and you can't travel.

25:34Did you choose to live in a hotel because in New York City like you have to show your finances if you're gonna get a lease and like that would have been hard? Well I just did not want to like commit for a year because I knew I was not going to be in one place for one year. Okay. Even even because of my visa because I had to leave all the time and I just didn't want to like yeah being just stuck in one place. So you think that everyone around you just assumed this girl's really rich we don't know where she has this money and you never explained where you got all the money from i mean i never asked anybody where they get their money from so like i never wondered about how anybody's paying for their bill so i just think people would be like right anyway i really don't care yeah no your new york experience is very different than mine so no one ever asked you point blank about how you had any money no absolutely not I guess like maybe you're like you'll have like you have a different friend circle oh imagine it's like or like the people I remember people like being pretty secretive I don't know it's just nobody's business I know people who like still I don't know their husband is paying um they like whatever the spousal support and like some of the things you just don't want to be vocal about and um but see even you just knew they were getting their payment from their partner Like you kind of still know.

27:00It's shocking that no one was ever like, where the fuck are you getting this shit, Anna? Well, nobody was asking me that to my face.

27:20How do you think though, this whole narrative that you did have all this money, like how do you think that benefited your life? um I guess it's just easier like to ask somebody I don't know for 20 million so it was easier for you to walk into a room and ask for more money because people assumed you had a lot of money I guess yeah other than changing your name what about your life when you were living in New York did you lie about did you lie about like your family's background or wealth or how much money you had? I guess I did. I mean, I cannot, like, tell an exact instance, but I'm sure. But all of that, I never, like, told any senseless lies.

28:07Unless it were, like, a bank. So the purpose of you lying, though, was to get something that would benefit you. Definitely, yes. So it's like if I were just to meet, I don't know, like, some girl in a social situation, like, I really don't care what someone thought. But first of all, it's none of their business. Second of all, there's nothing you can do for me. You just like walked through these fucking doors into some of the world's largest financial establishments, asked for money, and they gave it to you. When you would walk into these rooms with these men, Anna, like, what was your vibe? Like, were you super outspoken and loud and confident?

28:47Or were you kind of coy about it? And you kind of let, like, the accent and the mystery speak for itself? I don't even know. I think I'm like the same I am right now with you. I don't know. There's just like no other mode. I'm not like a performer. You are. You're very confusing. Really? There's just nothing else behind this. I don't know. Nothing else behind it, Anna. Absolutely nothing is behind this. Yeah. But like, okay, so let's pretend we're in the room with you. So you're saying you would kind of just do this. Like your vibe is just chill and you're just pitching them your vision, take it or leave it.

29:27Yeah. And I would always kind of show up underdressed because I felt like if I were to like show up, like, I don't know, in heels or like, I don't know, with some kind of like, I don't know, like with a tight dress. I gave them like this. I don't give a fuck vibe, which was like pretty much accurate because if it wouldn't be them, it would be somebody else. because in the end they are like all disposable. There's just so many financial institutions in New York. So you purposely would dress not as nice because you thought it would insinuate what? Like I didn't really care much to impress them and they should be the ones trying to impress me.

30:09I'm calling you right back. Okay, okay. Okay, now we're fucking getting into it. Oh shit, do not disturb. we're back yes okay so we were just talking about your you would dress really raggedy you are so confident but we're all human have you ever felt insecurities um I feel insecurities like all the time what are some of your insecurities I don't know everything I'm like I feel like I'm more paranoid than I ever was and just about like things going bad. I'm just everything. So try to explain that. Oh, I don't know. It's just like now I feel like I'm at the mercy of like public opinion and I'm trying to like stay away from seeing myself the way other people see me, but it's just really hard.

31:10and I feel like my case is just like being thrown into my face every day there's no way that you know like for some people they commit a crime and they go to jail and like they are out and that's it they have like a way to move on and to forget about it and not having to deal with it other than like having a felony on your record like it will never be like that for me just never ever in my life like it will always follow me in one in some way so um I've been getting back to a question about insecurities it's just everything and just like I'm so scared to like kind of fuck up again and for everybody to say oh she was a fraud all along and we knew that and like why would anybody give her a chance so that's always there um yeah just things like that you're choosing to do interviews is there an angle you're trying to take so that people can get to know you more?

32:04I mean, why not? But I'm also writing a book and I'm working on my own podcast. Who is your dream podcast guest?

32:16Who is my dream podcast guest? Oh my gosh, I have so many. Cyrus Vance. I'd love to speak to him. The prosecutor, he'd never go for it. I was like you know like to my prosecutors I would love to speak to them it's just like I don't know don't you want to like find out why a person who like hates you I wouldn't say like the word hates you but like who has so much negative stuff um on you or like whose job it was to like kind of um get you like imprison you like right just what they really think of you it's like you know the same way like you engage with your haters on like social media right it's like can you tell me why you hate me like i mean i think it's a little different because i think they probably just wanted to like correctly punish you from the crimes you committed it's america there are laws you know so one of your iconic trademarks was tipping a hundred dollar bills everywhere to everyone as someone attempting to start a business why did you so freely give away your money so like if I live in a hotel and like there's somebody who always helps me with something like it's totally okay for me to like tip them a couple hundred every now and then I did not just like throw hundred dollar bills of like random people and I don't know I just like I had so many people in service like who were just so nice to me and like they literally make all the difference so do you think that you'll continue doing that once you are free I feel like now I have to.

33:51Anna, you got to protect your money, girl. Everyone's going to keep trying to wait on you anytime they see you at a restaurant. She's keeping the tradition alive. I feel like I can't disappoint. You should worry about your bank account. Okay, so have you ever admitted to committing any crimes? No, I went on trial, so I never pled guilty. Sorry. the car's just so loud okay let me call you back all right okay okay okay bye it's gonna be like 15 minutes or something it's okay it's okay don't worry okay sure your phone what kind of phone do you have oh my gosh okay dude that's so bad i had it was too it's so loud i think the issue is that she's having this awakening that like it was at least some insight the fact that she said I don't want to come out and people be like oh she like she's her ego is now like oh I don't want people to think like oh it was a flop like she's not and it's like

34:59okay is it is it quiet now yes well um everybody's gone so okay so what was going through your head that first night that you spent in jail? God, I don't even know. It was kind of terrifying. I blocked it off. It was just awful. And there were so many people there. There were a lot of people for DUIs, a lot of sex workers. It was interesting. If you had been granted bail, where would you have gotten the money? I wouldn't find a way. If you weren't yourself and you knew about Anna Delvey, would you loan Anna Delvey money? Um, I would. Definitely. Because, like, I felt like I would definitely go out of my way to pay somebody back.

35:59But did you ever pay Rachel back? um well she got paid back from amex and i'm not allowed to reach out to her i put it out there if she feels like i owe her any money she knows ways to reach me so what was it like to face rachel for the first time in court it was great it was very exciting she did not look my way a single time um apart from like well i have to identify you it's like if i'm the person that was the only time she looked my way which was I guess telling if uh you feel so defrauded and if you're so righteous like wouldn't you want to like look your abuser quote or quote or whatever the people are called did you just stare at her the whole time absolutely yes do you ever feel any guilt that Rachel was left with that$63 ,000 tab before Amex obviously refunded her I mean I was always saying that it was a really unfortunate situation and it's like I never said like I'm so awesome and I did nothing wrong it was just like a really unfortunate situation and I did let her pay it and I knew there was a chance I could not repay her but like for me at that point was like I was going to go through with my project and everything was going to work out so for me to say to tell Rachel it's like oh hey maybe there is a chance that I'm not going to pay you back it would be the same for me as to admit like my project is not going to work out it would be equal admitting like failure on a bigger scale you know it was like very psychological for me you know like I never invited her on this vacation thinking oh maybe Rachel's going to pick up the tab if you could say anything to Rachel right now what do you what would you say

37:52um gosh I don't know well I hope she makes the best out of the moment I don't know I really don't like I don't even I try like not to think of her how do you feel about her new book I don't feel any kind of way because I'll never read it I've heard it's pretty bad so I haven't read it so I can't I can't attest to that either um what is your current relationship with your parents uh I talk to them a couple times a week what do you guys talk about just like I kind of give them an update what's going on with me um I'd say like they're letting me do my thing they just basically said or like it's not you're not it's not because of us that you're there and like you chose to like live in New York and do all these things um but they are supportive it's like they send me things so like whenever i need anything they like whatever like send me money or um like books and magazines so i'm supportive in that way time is up okay wait you can call me right back okay i'll be right here um well i'm about to hit her with a oh well your dad said this about you

39:18Okay, this is the only other thing. You keep saying, like, I was going to pay it all back. Like, unfortunately, Anna, like, that's not the way the world works. And you keep saying that. So, um, oh, shit. Okay, let me just record. Okay, so I was just asking, oh, about your parents and your relationship. Do you have a good relationship with your brother? Um, yeah, I guess. He's, like, way younger. he's like 18 now so I never really had like much in common with him because of our like huge age difference but yeah it has everything that's been happening with you at all like affect his social life or anything um a little bit yeah I guess he like kind of care a bit less like he's like a bit older now but um I know like teachers know that I'm his sister definitely they used to like ask him if that's if he's my brother so how does that make you feel um I don't know I don't know like I'm not sure if that's negative or positive so it's hard to say I mean what do you think would be positive the teachers would think positively like what would that look like um I mean it's hard to spin like crimes in positive way i mean as long as just it's just not negative i don't know do you think there's any way it wouldn't be negative i haven't spoken to him recently to be honest okay so i don't know your father was quoted in a newspaper saying naturally we're very worried about her she has such a selfish character we can't do anything about it we gave her a normal upbringing is it true that your parents gave you a normal upbringing I mean if they think so do you think so I mean I wasn't crazy I would say yeah do you think you have a selfish character like your dad explained I guess if he says so I don't know I try not to be selfish but my like it's just kind of the thing that my parents always say like I'm so whatever I try to do is like selfish so how do you feel hearing that insult from your dad where he's like telling that to like a public magazine um it doesn't feel any kind of way because he just would tell that to me in my face every other day so it's not surprising does it feel hurtful like no my dad is like very sarcastic and I guess he just doesn't know how to like um he doesn't speak to media like on daily basis so so he was being sarcastic um I hope he was yeah did you ever ask him like not to speak to the media no they're actually reluctant to speak to the media there's just so many people who like want to interview them and they refuse.