Ayesha Curry: Marriage, Motherhood & My Identity

0:02What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Ayesha Curry, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me. I am so excited to meet you. How are you doing today? I'm hanging in there right now. I'm really nervous to be here. Wait, why? I'm so excited. Oh my God, Ayesha? Yeah, so I'm just grateful. I'm excited. Hoping I don't get in trouble for the things that I say. I feel like we're going to have good girl talk. Yeah, I think so too. You're not in the hot seat. Yeah, I know. I know. Is it good that I'm catching you in the offseason? Yeah. Okay, good.

0:41It's great. So you're more chill during the offseason? Super chill. Yeah. I mean, it's still chaotic. It's always chaotic, but we're learning to live in that. What do you guys usually do during this time of year? Are you traveling? Are you staying at home? Well, right now, because it's July, it's always the most chaotic of the year, actually, of the whole calendar year, because three of our kids' birthdays are in July. our anniversary is at the end of july and it's like if you do if you play well like for my husband if you play well you play until june um and he usually plays well he usually plays well this year we had a little bit more time which was nice but usually it's just two months and that's it.

1:25Okay. For kids, did you always knew you wanted a big family? No. So I didn't want kids. I didn't want to get married. I thought I was going to be career girl and that's it. And I had my eyes set on my goals. And I was never the little girl that like dreamt about the wedding dress and all of that. And then it happened so early in my life. So it's like, it's one of those things like you don't, you don't know what you, you actually don't know what you want. Well, it's so interesting you say that because I want to talk a lot about that today because I relate to you in that way. Like I really, really never thought I was going to get married.

2:09I'm like, there is actually no way that's ever going to happen. And then it happens and you're like, maybe I didn't know myself that well. And it's like, no, you knew yourself when you were up and then you have different wants and needs and that's okay to change your mind yes but it's still shocking it's still shocking okay wait quickly back to parenting i'm gonna ask you a couple random like parenting manual questions okay what is the time one of your kids embarrassed you in public my daughter ryan we were in a very public place i'm trying to remember where i'm blanking because i think this just like overshadowed the whole thing but she yelled out like mommy do do you have weaves?

2:49Is that a weaves? Like with an S. Do you have weaves in your hair?

2:58Yes. You're like, Ryan, thank you so much. Mommy loves you. Kids will humble you every fucking day. Okay. What's a bribe you used recently to get your kids to do something? Oh, I paid my daughter, my 13 year old Riley and my niece, Ava, I paid them$20 to clean up the kitchen and the living room. Back in my day, I wouldn't have had that opportunity. I would have just had to do it. Okay. What is the weirdest thing you found in your kid's backpack or pocket?

3:36I just found, okay, I found my nipple covers in my son's pocket. He must have found them in my purse or out the counter. And he's like, you can always tell. And then he walked in and he goes, mommy, do you know what's under here? And I had forgotten that fast that he had put them in his pocket. He's like, do you know what's under here? And I'm like, no. Cannon, what are you doing? And he goes, I said, take them off. And he's just like smiling ear to ear. He thinks it's hysterical. Oh, my God. That is actually, though, hysterical. Definitely have to leave the room. This is not happening. Because you don't want to laugh too hard because then they'll just keep doing it.

4:20He was like. Steph is like, I am leaving. You're like mortified. It's so bad.

4:43okay can we talk about so you graduated high school early yeah to move to la to start your acting career. Yeah. Tell me about like coming out to L.A. What early ambitions did you have for yourself and like what did you want? It's interesting because I don't ever, I think, get the opportunity to kind of talk about my life before my life now. And so, yeah, I graduated high school a year early at the time was living in North Carolina. and I'd been in the industry since I was three years old. I was always working. I commercial, print, like doing TV stuff always. So other kids were at like soccer, doing the extracurriculars and I was on a set working.

5:33And so it was second nature for me. And quite honestly, growing up, the only thing that I thought I could do. And so I would enter all of these competitions. I entered this one in North Carolina and they were like, hey, move to L.A. And I grew up, I think it's really important to preface, I grew up in like the most strict environment, like didn't get to go to high school football games, didn't get to really hang out with my friends. Damn sure I couldn't like walk around the mall by myself. But when these people were like, hey, you want to move to LA? They were like, yeah, go. Your parents were like, have fun, honey.

6:15You're like, go. Like you're going to do it. And I appreciate it because that means they believed in me so much. But at the same time, our entire family was like, this is crazy. Like you can't even carpool. Okay, wait. You starting at three, did was it because like your mom just saw something in you like we we the story is because obviously I have no recollection uh we were in a grocery store and a talent agent said oh she should be in commercials and so it started from there and then kept going and and when you started working that young and then kind of became aware of it like did you love it like I loved it I loved it.

6:58Eat, sleep, breathe. Okay. So you come from the Stirk family. Then you get on a plane after graduating high school early. So you're what, 17? Yeah, I was 17. My dad set me up for like a month. I got an apartment, ridiculously expensive. So I was shocked. Had to pick up three jobs. I worked at a frozen yogurt shop. I worked at Abercrombie and Fitch at a farmer's market on the weekends. So like just to be able to make that happen. And I feel like when you have the dream of LA and acting or modeling or getting into this industry, like naturally rejection comes with that. Oh, God. When you came out to L.A., what was your self-confidence like before you started like really getting maybe some no's?

7:52I think because I came from the small town, I was like, oh, I got this. And then I got out. I got out here. I remember the first couple of like cattle call auditions being like, every single person in here looks exactly like me. like there's these are like we're carbon copies of each other like what's gonna set you apart and so I think early on I was like wow I've got to diversify my portfolio a little bit because in North Carolina you're like there's like three of us in theater that are crushing and then you get out of LA and they're like bitch this is your first audition like this is my 900th like get in the back of the line you're like I'm walking in and I'm like hello and they're all like, why is this girl talking to us?

8:41Okay, but like Aisha, you have like a huge flex. I found out that you were on an episode of Hannah Montana. Yeah. Girl, that was my favorite show growing up. So you know what? I would put that if I was you, I would put that on my resume. I would put that as my Instagram bio. I was on Hannah Montana, you fuckers. actually I have a good story I have a good story about that hopefully you find this funny okay okay I'm dead the one little episode I was so excited I remember calling seven like I got it I got it he was so excited for me I remember going to set and there was this lovely girl who was like in some of the scenes with me and Billy Ray walks up and he's like we're like oh hello sir like so nice to meet you and he's like you know you guys it was actually so sweet he was like you know you guys can really do this you can really do this and we're just looking at him like do what and he's like miley puts her pants on the same way you do every day and but it stuck with me it's kind of true you're like i could be he's right he's right you know you're literally like what are you talking about sir then you're like oh you're talking big picture here i got it picture This is like a little metaphor.

10:02I see where you're going with this, Billy Wright. So during that time, you and Steph were already dating with the Hannah Montana. We were dating. OK, let's go back. Let's talk about how you met Mr. Steph Curry. You met him in high school. Yeah. So I'm Canadian. OK. So I grew up in Markham, Ontario, and I moved to the States at 14 to North Carolina. And that's actually where we met. He's one of the first people that I met in the States. but just friends. Obviously, we were 14. Went to the same church, shared the same friend groups at church. And then when I moved to LA, he Facebooked me. Did he write on your wall or it was like a private message?

10:49No, it was a private message. But he was like, hey, do you still live in LA? That's a lie. The first message was, I was in this music video and he was like, hey who is that in the in the music video in the picture that you're in and i'm like oh it's young berg and he goes oh i should have known he always has all the sexy ladies and i was like what is happening right now you're like steph i knew you said you're 14 i was 14 what are you trying to do right at this time so at this time now we're 19 okay 18 19 and so he goes do you still live in la I'm here for a camp. Do you want to hang out? And I'm like freaking out because this guy, he was like the guy at church.

11:35Like all the girls loved him. I thought you were going to say like in high school, like on the court, you're like at church. He was the guy at church. Was he the basketball guy in high school or no? I apparently he was. But I I did. I genuinely didn't pay attention to that because I grew up in such an arts driven family that sports outside of like Doug Flutie playing for the Buffalo Bills like wasn't it just wasn't a thing in my in my house and so um he said so we've made plans to hang out and then I said where are you staying and he said Anaheim and I was like I was like so you're coming to me at this point I still have the other jobs like trying to pay the rent gas is expensive so I was like I'm sorry I can't this time but if you're ever back let me know and we'll go hang out and he's like oh I'm back in two weeks and I'm like oh my god you still in Anaheim and so no this time he was in Hollywood so he stuck with it he hit me up two weeks later we hung out and we've literally been together since that day okay hold on you go and you hang out with him what is your headspace Are you seeing him in like a could this be something kind of way or are you like no?

12:56No, I was. And this is like my first real date. So I was just nervous. I was nervous. It was like years of having a crush and then years like I just never thought that he would like someone like me. I just didn't think it was going to be a thing. I thought we would be friends. Yeah. Did you ever have anything in high school at all or was legit just friends? No, just friends. Just friends. Yeah. I get what you're saying. I'm like, you never saw him as something. But when you look back, is there any memory that you're like, maybe there was something or no? No, never. I had a friend over who had a crush on his brother at the time and she decided to call him and they were giggling.

13:48and then they put, we're maybe like 15 at this time, and they put Stefan on the phone and somebody said something about Canada. And so I was like, oh, I'm Canadian. And he's like, oh, do you like Canadian candy? And I'm like, I love Canadian candy. And so my aunt was coming into town from Canada and so she brought some for me. And so I was like, oh, I'll bring you a bag to church the next time we're at church. So I bring the bag and I literally, everybody's watching, I hand it to him and I don't say anything to him. I just like shove it and walk away. Like that's how shy I was. And did you like him at all?

14:33Like in your heart? You're like, oh, I wish I could. Yes. Yeah, it just wasn't. It was high school. I thought he was so cute. Okay, so fast forward. You go on this first date. Yeah. What are the vibes? it was the it was one of the best days of my life honestly it was so innocent and young and like i wish i could relive that or at least watch it from like a bird's eye view it was so cute we did hollywood boulevard put our put our hands in the in the maryland hands and like uh got chai chai lattes we went over to the grove and like walked around and they were filming some eddie murphy movie that we like i don't think it ever ended up coming out um and just had checking cop cars to see if they had donuts like just like real young love i don't know i remember it like it was yesterday i feel like when you have one of those first dates though like i feel that way about my husband i always say that to him i'm like oh my god what i would give to relive that night or at least I say the same thing just watch it like I wish I could just yeah because it's so romantic and cute to know then what comes from that story so that's really cute because it is so innocent you would no idea what it was going to lead to and nobody could predict like what the future no held holds did you guys kiss first date no did he try no he tried so shortly after that I got a really bad bout of laryngitis.

16:06Stop. This is so random. And my throat was so swollen. It was like, and I panicked. And I was like, mom, dad, I want to come home. And so I went home and he was like, I'm home. And so. You're laid up with laryngitis? Zoe. I got a little bit better. And then we like continued dating from there, obviously. And like, I want to say it was maybe like the fourth date. he came like I was mid-sentence and he like came flying at my face and I I turned to the side I'm still nervous at this point like I you and it's like butterflies and he's like oh oh and I just look at him and I'm like I didn't know that's what we were doing like I I didn't know you liked me like that and he was like he was like yeah I've just been coming over to your house for the past two weeks to play video games with your brothers you're like oh try again try again one more time wait and so did he try again yes oh you okay so you did okay cute cute cute i'm like this poor man gets rejected no no it was fine it was like a split second but it's cute too because like in that moment you're still the girl with the candy like handing it to him and running away and meanwhile he's like i like you can you sit there and like accept it for a second that's really really cute Okay, so when you're living in LA, you guys reconnect.

17:26He didn't live in LA at the time, right? No. So this is like a light long distance situation. It's a light long distance. Yeah, he still had a year of college left. So it was pretty long distance. When you were in that beginning stage, did you have interest in a long distance? Like, how did you think this was even going to work? Ironically, I don't even think I was thinking of how it could work. We were just going through the motions, really. And it seemed like the people around us too, like our families, were into it. And so they were like a really good support system through it. I don't know.

18:03It sucked now that I'm thinking about it. I remember I drove back to LA after he started his junior year of college and the season had started for him but I had to go back for something I don't remember what it was for and at the time you could get like his college games on the radio and so I'm and it was a big game and so I'm like listening sobbing like I'm not there to support You're literally driving home like the classic girl looking out the window like so sad. You're like, fuck my life. Oh, my God. But then it obviously ended up working out. Tell me about the moment that he gets drafted to the Golden State Warriors because now he's coming full time West Coast.

18:51Yeah. Yeah. So he had like a big decision to make because he had a year left. He had a senior year left. So it was like, do I stay? Do I go? And like, I think what a lot of people don't know is he really like he really thought about like it was like a torment for him he called me like crying behind a tree like i don't know what to do and i and i'll stand like 10 toes down on this like i don't i'm not it's not a secret i was like stay in school wait and why because then he was gonna be far away from you still why so the why is i didn't grow up surrounded by people who went to college that for me was like wow what a blessing like you you get to go to college you get to have an education like why would you leave so and then not coming from that sports background and understanding how like rare the opportunity he had was i was like yeah stay in school you're like college is so much cooler than the mba but i'm glad wait that was really the sentiment kind of love that for you but i'm glad I'm glad he decided to leave.

20:02And then he ended up finishing anyway and has gone on to do tremendous, incredible, cool shit that we never thought would happen. So it's great. So he comes to the West Coast. And at this point, when he gets drafted, are you guys official boyfriend, girlfriend? Oh, yeah. Who said I love you first? Me. What? Take me. Tell me everything. I 100 % said I love you first. um i was visiting him at school and getting ready to leave to go back to my mom's house and i said it and he didn't say it back and he just stared at me and i my eyes started to well up and he was like can i please explain and i'm like okay and he's okay i immediately now know what you're like in those moments.

20:59You literally go stone cold. He's like, okay, let me know. He's like, I said, he's like, I said, I love you to somebody in the past and I didn't mean it. He's like, and I regret it. And he's like, I just want to be sure that when I say it again, you know that it's that I mean it. And in the moment I was like, bullshit. but now obviously I realize he was serious and a few a few like a month later we're sitting watching seven pounds and when they say like the human heart seven pounds he literally my whole family's in the room by the way sitting watching this movie he leans over in my ear and he's like I love you and I'm like happy but I'm also like what are you doing next to my uncle what are we doing what's happening not step in that moment thinking like this is gonna be so romantic and you're really like I mean if he's gonna do one thing he's gonna make it memorable so then you did just not talk the rest of the fucking movie I had to get up and take a lap yeah did he follow you um no and then after the movie was over we like went in my uncle's elevator and we're like making out in there it was great that's what needed to happen picturing him whispering that to you and you just like you're like uncle jerry just close your ears what i do have an uncle jerry it wasn't which uncle was it my uncle carl uncle carl yes jerry and carl good names for uncles right Okay.

22:42You end up moving to the Bay Area. Talk to me about for you what went into that decision. It was exciting. I think initially when they called his name, we were like kicking each other under the table because nobody really knew where that was.

23:07but then the next morning we we got on the plane to fly out to the bay and have never looked back and the vibes the vibes in the bay are high yes it's so good everybody's so creative the culture is like rich pausing on you guys as a couple now let's talk about you as an individual though because you had this dream. And did you feel like in moving with him, did you feel like you had to pick between your career and your relationship at that point? Yes. To an extent. That was never presented in front of me that way. It just kind of had to be that way. And because after we got married, we found out we were pregnant with our daughters so quickly.

24:01I didn't even have time to think about what I wanted anymore. It's so interesting. I spent my entire life trying to work towards something and then it kind of just disappeared and I didn't think twice about it. But after my daughter turned one, I remember there being a shift and being like, I have goals for myself. This doesn't feel right. I love being a mom, but I love doing other things too and I need to get my shit together and figure out what that looks like for myself now okay rewind two steps yeah married at 22 yeah how did you know you were ready for that I didn't I just knew that I loved him and I'd never like experienced anything else I'd never felt any differently than like this is who I want to spend the rest of my life with.

25:01And so we kind of just dove in. Did anyone or any you or Steph or anyone have any hesitations about like, oh, we're getting married in our early 20s or no? No. And I say this all the time to our family. I'm like, you guys, like 22. I'm like you guys I'm like not one not a single parent nobody was like hey guys are you sure everybody was like no this is what's happening and we love you and we love you and it's gonna be great it's just like wow like when I really look at it well and again because there are so many people that may watch this that are like oh 22 for them whether it's because like they watch their parents get married young or whatever it was normal but you in the beginning of this interview started by being like girl I didn't even think I wanted to get married yes exactly so it is a big deal that at 22 it was it's a mixture of that and a mixture of like there are levels to 22 like there's different styles of 22 year olds but I was like the naive like very young uh unpolished um 22 year old like I didn't have very much life experience and so it's just interesting it is but it's again I think like why I'm I was excited to talk to you is because as women there's just like so many things that happen in our life that we want to plan for and then obviously life just doesn't go as planned and to hear you at a young age getting married I think like and knowing it was such a success but it doesn't mean the whole ride was easy like that's what I'm excited to get into yeah so what like a few months after getting married you just said three months okay what was going through your head when you found out that news i was confused because my how are you confused because my ob said expected to take up to a year and so i'm like oh if in my head i heard at least a year i was thinking we were gonna be like bar hopping like it's like it's like nope you're pregnant and you're going to be very very sick but i'm so grateful i wouldn't change a thing of course but um it was not on my bingo card and when all this went down like i guess now looking back what advice would you give to someone listening who of like how to embrace when your timeline suddenly changes oh there's no such thing as a timeline i think is the bottom line things are going to shift like life is ebbs and flows and you just kind of have to roll with the punches sometimes stuff's gonna suck like but you can always recover and I think it's important also like sometimes you can feel like you're in your own bubble or like feel isolated or like you're the only person experiencing that thing but there's always like a resource or there's always a community of people who are experiencing similar things.

28:11Did you have like any friends who were in similar life stages to you at that point? No. They're like, babe, we're at Winoke. No. What are you doing? No. Actually, all of our friends are like just now having babies like the past four or five years. So we were the trailblazers. What was the hardest part of being a young mom? I think my identity. so uh because i have such an entrepreneurial spirit not being able to call the shots all the time for myself was freaking weird um and and then learning how to kind of reset myself to make it all work while still having a family was weird too um But it's made me really resilient and like a little gritty.

29:03So I'm grateful for it. Yeah. Like even thinking about how you said earlier, like once my daughter turned about one, I was kind of looking around like I love being a mom. Yeah. But I also have this other side of me that I can feel kind of wanting to come back up. And I think a lot of times women can experience like or so I've read because I'm obviously not a mother yet hopefully um but like women can experience this like mom guilt of like if i have a career and i'm not home like did you experience that i still experience that i still experience that i'm almost like i'm always in therapy talking about this um Um, but what I realized is like, if you lose, if you lose, like for me being married and like with my husband, if you lose all of those things that were interesting about you, even for yourself, like even the things that made me feel confident and cool, then what, like, what are you doing?

30:10And so for me, it's always been important. I, I mean, I'm a little, I'm a little ADHD. So like I'm, I have a million and five ideas. I have a million interests. I'm very creative. I, and I like to explore those sides of me. And I think it keeps me who I am to like my family and the people that I love, but it also keeps, allows me to have a certain level of confidence that I don't think I would have otherwise. Right. It's like you grew up, like we've talked about, like having this thing that you were so passionate about and to lose that creative side of yourself would just mean that you're almost like doing a disservice to yourself and then therefore to your kids and to your husband to your relationships like that's who you are yeah and you don't have to be as women we're always told like or at least it feels like people just try to have us be one-dimensional and you can do more not that it's easy no but it's an option it's an option like i say all the time i'm like when men do it they're like oh my god you're so multifaceted.

31:15Wow. So talented. What a renaissance man. And I'm like, why can't women do the same thing? Like, what is what is giving you the ick so bad that you feel like I can't do these separate things? Be good at them or at least try to. Like, what? Like, what is the problem? It is really frustrating. And then I think thankfully, I feel like there's just been an uptick of people like, you know what? I don't care anymore. I'm just going to do it, even if it pisses all of you off so much and it makes you uncomfortable to see a woman succeeding deal with that yeah on your own side because i'm going to keep fucking pushing

32:06there are a lot of people in sports that don't obviously have to go through as much of the conversation around like fame and spotlight as you and your husband have had to. How did being in the spotlight impact relationship in the early days because you guys didn't know how to handle it? It's a double edged sword because parts of it have afforded me doors to be open. I obviously have to walk through them and then put in the work to stay in the room. but that I think would be the elephant in the room is like, I'm grateful for that side of things. But on the flip side, I, I, in the beginning, hated it so much.

32:53I like did not sign up for that. I also always thought like, I didn't know that he was going to end up playing basketball. Like I, he said he wanted to be a high school basketball coach. Like I thought I, I thought I was going to be like the girl out there getting it. So I didn't know. And so it just like it was weird. And sports fans are so different than like maybe entertainment world fans. And oftentimes it's like very ruthless. And so I think I wasn't expecting that either. I remember like one time right after my first was born, she was whiny. So I was like, let me just nurse her in the back seat.

33:41And Stefan was putting a bike or something in the trunk. And this woman like opens the car door and she sticks her head in. And she's like, I just wanted to see the baby. And I'm like, oh, excuse me. And she looks me dead in my face and goes, oh, honey, you know what you signed up for. And then like shuts the door on me. And I was just crying because I was like postpartum. I was just bawling my eyes out. And I'm like, what? Like, is this what it's going to be like? wow and so that the beginnings phases were kind of scary for me and as a woman like did you ever experience any type of like direct scrutiny over just like you or what you looked like or how you were acting oh all the time i feel like i still do and that's okay but how did that impact you though early on when you were like i i'm still not equipped to handle this because now you're like seasoned yes it affects you but you now have the tools of like i've been here before i know exactly how to handle this moment yeah doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt it was so depressing and also it was during that time when this like social media thing was just ramping up and so people were going fuck wild um and just spewing opinions on things that didn't warrant opinions and so i i think for a while yeah i was very critical of myself because of the things that i was seeing it's so hard also to be the woman in a situation where you're like men just don't get as much scrutiny like they can maybe tell him like your fucking shots suck tonight but like the looks and all of that is just like not a factor of conversation as much no did you talk to Steph about it like or did you kind of keep it within yourself so it didn't I have I do not have a bone in my body that can keep anything to myself so if it comes to mind it's coming out um and he he's so gracious like he tries to resonate with me but he just can't and he also comes from a place of like it's effing stupid like it's not true so why and i'm like but wait like listen to how it makes me feel and he's like but why does it make you feel like that it's not real i mean that's so men we're like no wait but i want to talk about it for four more hours can you just sit down and they're like you want me to solve it for you it's not real we both know it's not real blah blah he's like no go to bed go to sleep you're like in the bathroom brushing your teeth you're like another thing you like pop out he's like quite literally can you share like something that was said about you in the early days to just like paint the picture no one knows on the spot okay this one's kind of funny now it's funny it's kind of funny because at a certain point like i do have a round face oh my god so like at a certain point this was true because I was a little weightier.

36:49But there was this thing going around that said there's two things. It was like that I look like SpongeBob's mom. Just look it up after. Okay. I felt that way. So then seeing it, I was like, damn. Damn. No. What else? I think because he's like known for shooting threes, people will say something all the time like, oh, he shoots threes on and off the court. And I'm like, come on. Well, first of all, three plus like a million. Like you were like so fucking stunning and gorgeous. Like I don't need to say that to you, but I have to say it because it's also like the people that are writing it are probably threes, but not you.

37:31But also I feel like it's funny to see any athlete's wife. Everyone just first goes for their looks and they compare. It's crazy. It's so strange. that online conversation is so tired like immediately just judging a wife of like a man that is well known and famous doesn't even have to be sports it can be entertainment actors whatever it be it's always at the looks and it's like aren't we tired yeah just a little bit i've also gotten the like and i've gotten this in person a lot is the like the stigma of being a wife of somebody that plays professional sports or girlfriend whatever whatever oh how does it feel to be said person's wife and also work and i'm like what so i think there's a stigma out there that people don't do these women aren't doing anything that's not true there's so many women doing incredible things a lot just like they do it under their radar which is great like you know it's so misogynistic it's like so crazy your husband makes so much fucking money like why would you ever want to work and it's like god forbid i also have individual interests and needs and wants and goals in my fucking life crazy it's all projection okay wait i want to play a game then between you and steph of who is more likely to okay who is more likely to take a work call during date night stefan do you guys have boundaries of like no we're done with work food i do where is the game you're like do not disturb motherfucker okay who is more likely to call a family meeting me what was the topic of the most recent like curry family meeting um these These days, and I'm sorry, you guys.

39:31Is this the camera I look at? I'm sorry, you guys. It's just true. These days, it's calling meetings about our parents to discuss our parents. When you become an adult and then you realize like, oh, my parents, how did I get through an airport when I was younger? Like, how did you get me through to Terminal B? Like, you started looking at your parents. Like, I love you more than life. But like, hello? what is going on who is more likely to splurge on a big purchase me that is not even a conversation good for you gonna be so proud of me for being honest too he's gonna be watching this like yes babe thank you for taking accountability what is like one of your splurges that you're like i'm really actually proud of that one actually my ring so i i reset my ring i've been staring at it so that's a good answer but I feel like I'll have it forever let's talk about your business now because I really wanted to get to individually driven at a young age you meet Steph you have this like oh my gosh we didn't anticipate we were going to fall in love and then have babies and all the things and then one day you woke up pretty quickly into having a kid being like wait wait I got to get myself back on track yeah Steph has his career I want my career to get back on track What was the hardest part early days of like really trying to start your business?