Chace Crawford: Gossip Girl, House Parties & Dating Disasters (FBF)

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. Chase Crawford, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me, Alex. Yeah. I am so excited to meet you. Okay, you have to tell a little bit of the backstory, though, because you were just telling me downstairs that you kind of were a fan and, like, I need to hype myself. I was. Listen, I'm a little bit nervous right now because I'm so excited, Alex. No, I was telling you, I'm like, maybe I should save it for the podcast, but I'm an OG daddy fan. Let's fucking go. I'd be like, you know, I'd be like walking my dog.

0:36I always listen to podcasts. I was like, who are these? you guys are giving insane advice and it was amazing because you weren't giving like just this cliche rote advice to women you're like fuck it this is how we're seeing this is what's the guys we're seeing in new york or whatever right and i lived in new york obviously so but but yeah but you guys are like this is how we're seeing it this is the real stuff we're gonna give give out this is how you play it this is our advice this is what works for us and i thought it was the best thing i laughed i thought it was amazing i would listen to like full full like oh my god oh so you've I was entertained by the whole thing.

1:08Yeah, I'm OG. I love your new stuff. I love all the stuff. Oh, you were all the way back in the blowjob tips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Exactly. All this stuff. I couldn't turn it off. I'm like, this is amazing. This is great. You're giving everyone the information that the world needs. It's the hard-hitting facts. I appreciate you sharing that. Also, picturing you walking your dog being like, that was the funniest shit in the OG days when it was so graphic that people would be like, my AirPods got disconnected. I'm at work. and it's like, you have to suck the living shit out of it. And she's like, fucking shit.

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4:08And this has exactly that. So daddy gang, if you want to try it out, shop now at Sephora. I'm really interested because every time I meet people, I have no idea what to expect. Like with you I was interested to know like is he going to be extroverted is he going to be introverted like would you say in your life you're an extroverted person I'm weird I'm weird I am I'm I'm I'm both I know that's like a lame answer but like it's a normal I'm very much like I I'm I compartmentalize things I can really like go out and like let loose and I'm very social and I can be loud and have fun yeah but I like my alone time you know I like I like my own bed and like I'm sort of a closet reader and the nerd and like my dog i like i like my alone time so yeah what kind of dog do you have he's like a little rescue he's like a little they lied to us at the rescue place it was like i share him with an ex-girlfriend actually so you're one of those i'm one of those i'm one of those oh my chase i'm judging you so hard i know oh my god oh my god it's all about him though it's all about the dog no that's fucking bullshit wait that's like a full problem when you meet someone new and you have to be like this is like our child i know it's not even i mean she's got a fiance it's not even like i know i don't think it's a weird thing at all people think it's the funniest thing i'm like it actually is the only way to have a dog in fact no the cast member recently she was she wanted a dog i'm like you want to get a dog together i know how this goes that is actually mentally insane it's insane so you have to see her constantly we know you know not as often as you think she does have a key to my house and so a lot of times i know it's getting worse listen it's not that big of a deal a lot of times i'll just like i flew out last week to go work in Toronto.

5:40I'm like, hey, Shiner, his name's Shiner, after a Texas beer, very stupid. I'm like, Shiner's in the house, just go in there and take him and she just goes and picks him up. I'm not even there. But sometimes, yeah, we're still like friends and cordial. It's great. So imagine you're like in there on a date with the dog and she comes to pick it up and has the key. Like you have to describe that to new women. Like, listen, it's nothing other than just for the dog's happiness. Like we share her. Right, right. I never let that happen, I guess. I drop him off sometimes. she lives close by me and and what not what if a girl said like i can't do this unless you guys give up the dog oh these girls gone i mean this dog takes precedent i think i might love that dog more than my future child jace oh my god i mean i'm not even kidding i will i will die for that dog i i'm a dog mom that's how that happens they get you like that they really i get it i get it how would your friends describe you to like someone that they wanted to set you up with Like, how are your friends describing you?

6:37I don't know. That's a very good question. Outgoing, funny, hopefully. You know, I like to think I can cook a little bit. But if they were being honest, I don't know. Maybe, you know, he's a bad texter, maybe. I'm not that great. I'm being honest. I'm not that great, you know. I think that's a good sign, though. I think if you treat a woman really well in person, and then sometimes you're not a bad texter, but you're open about it. Right. Like, that's okay. like matt my partner is like my husband is like yes not he is not a good texter at all in the beginning days i was like does he fucking hate me yeah totally but now i know i like appreciate it that he's not on his phone 24 7 being one of those freaks like are you on your phone though 24 7 i'm not no no i like to leave it it's always on vibrate i like to i still like to be always attached to it okay so that's good then i'll overthink i have a little anxiety i don't know what to do so sometimes i like for i literally forget to like form a response you know i gotta to get back to that so i'll forget about it and it's terrible and i'm just that's kind of how i am i'm a little scattered with the texting but do you think that's your biggest red flag like you're just a bad texter what else what's what's another red flag i'd like to think i got green flags no i got let me think um you know my exes maybe my 20 might say i'm bad at communicating so that kind of ties in but i've learned i've learned you've gotten better you've gotten better late 30s now I've gotten better.

7:59So I'm more vulnerable. Yeah. We love a vulnerable man that can like tap into his emotions and his feelings. Totally. What are you doing on a Saturday night with your friends? Oh, that's a good question. Usually, what did I do last weekend? Like my buddy, like this next Saturday, he does like 60. He does these big like lunches at Jelena in Venice. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. We all bring a bottle of wine. But it's like six hours. So he prefaced it with that. And I was like, I don't know if I'm going to make it six hours. Jesus Christ. And it went by like that. So we do this, we do these little like lunches with random different people.

8:31He's kind of in the food industry, the chef. So we kind of like have these interesting. Are you getting like annoyed when you're out? Like, are you getting noticed all the time everywhere you go? No, no, it depends. I'm not like, you know, I'm not like DiCaprio level where it's like this. I kind of have a nice pocket where it's, it's fun to get recognized for the gossip girl thing still. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Which is like still been this like three different waves of Netflix. I don't know how it keeps, keeps coming around, but it's the same age, you know, females. always like so excited so it's so i do get it sometimes in more touristy spots like venice or in new york or somewhere kind of there's more people from all over the place yeah but it's fun that you have like a good attitude about it because i can imagine like i've i've talked to people before on my show about like people that are have done so much in their career but there's this one thing that people are like we just can't get past it like for you it's gossip girl for like oh my god for other people it's like the oc like i know you've talked talking like rachel bilson like totally yeah it's like she's done so much in her career but there's the one thing that people like can we just talk about this for 19 hours and it's like you can either just be positive about it or like fucking hate it but like it's what made you super famous right and it's kind of fun for all of us to like indulge a little bit i mean when you're young in your 20s it's like i'm like you try everything's so precious that i want to be like marlon brando like i was so annoyed by gossip girl right and like even the name i hate it dude it's like it's the it's great it's the greatest yeah it's like it's this weird cultural thing of the zeitgeist of that time to like pre-instagram pre all these things like the first iphone had just come out like it was such a weird amazing time in new york it's fucking amazing when were you in new york were you in i was in new york right i'm a little like a little younger so i was like yeah new york for me was just as crazy but like i had my fucking iphone and it wasn't as fun like i remember college more when i was watching gossip girl in like high school I was like obsessed with it because I grew up on the east coast I like knew the nature of New York City but I was not I'm what didn't come from like a wealthy family so like the con I was like with the fucking Humphreys I would have been down and like I mean even the Humphreys are in this like loft space it's like a 20 million dollar like that's all bs like that's like that's what I can't afford shit like what the fuck my first apartment in New York City was quite literally a shoebox and I'm like yeah it's not looking so glamorous but you still go out and you can still go to the similar places that's what i love about new york is like yeah you can go to where dicaprio is or whoever the fuck and new york is cool like that where la is a little bit more snooty where it's like you can't get in here where new york it's like anyone can get in anywhere and they'll treat me like like it's it's kind of nice because everyone was like way too cool for school yes they don't give a shit about anything at all i don't even like look at me i get the thing i'm like okay listen i mean get lakers tickets to save my life everyone wants but the Knicks they would always give me Knicks tickets and Rangers baby so yeah that was it fucking amazing shout out to them we're gonna talk a little bit more obviously about Gossip Girl at some point but I do want to talk to you about your childhood because obviously you're this like you became this heartthrob your life changed I think around like 22-ish was Gossip Girl yeah 21 22 you're right yeah yeah yeah so like before that like how would you describe your childhood It was interesting.

11:39I was born in Lubbock, small town Texas. Not much going on out there. I kind of woke up. I was in Oklahoma City. First memories. So random. Parents are from there. Dad's from there. My parents met there at a small, very small, like religious college there. So Oklahoma City, very. And listen, my parents had me when they were like 20 and 21. So that's, you know, a very Southern thing. Yeah. I mean, they were still growing up as we were. I can't imagine having like a 15-year-old right now. So they were young. My dad was in med school. uh, what, what happened? We moved to Minnesota for four years for his med school.

12:12And then we moved back to Texas, uh, when I was like nine or 10 years old in Dallas, I'm from Dallas, like North, North Dallas, a little bit suburbia, a little bit out there in the sticks, but more suburbia, you know? Yeah. Were you raised religious? Yeah. Yeah. Basically. Yeah. Were you? Oh my God. It was, it was tough. Cause obviously I can't imagine being from the South and being raised religious. Like I was raised Catholic every single Sunday going to church and I was from Pennsylvania so it wasn't like probably as intense maybe as like adding on the south but it was just confusing because I always felt more like pulled to the arts and like pulled to these things that just like weren't as traditional me too right yeah and so you just kind of feel like a fucking weirdo and you feel like art naturally like pushes the boundaries on conversations right and when you're raised religious it's a little bit like what are you doing here like you're like calling outside the lines and if you were raised in los angeles it's like go sweetie you're doing great so it's like it's just a matter of where you were raised like was it hard for you with like when did you know you wanted to get into the arts i was i was like an artistic kid actually i was always drawing and stuff i i never wanted to be an actor i had no idea about acting or any of it i know it's like that shitty story that's like no one wants to hear i'd like no that's good that's good yeah yeah like i was very naive about about the acting thing i just yeah when there was like this like this like secular world right that's like you know even i was sort of a bit policed on what music i was listening to and you know all these other things it kind of makes you feel just claustrophobic in a way right i remember like always really wanting to just travel or just get out of the bubble and meet new people and go out and do that but i was a pretty good drawer and like charcoal and like a little bit of painting when i was like you know like middle school i started kind of i'm not grabbing like i was good for like a sixth grader okay like good good for like a kid yeah yeah good for like 100 kids in my grade okay i was like the best artist i like 100 kids in dallas right right right no no but but uh so my parents did kind of like foster that a little bit they let me you know i went into like photography classes and those are my favorite favorite stuff yeah so did you ever have an awkward face oh yeah totally oh my god i should yeah i wish i had a picture of me in like sixth grade with the abercrombie and the puka and like oh i'm talking full highlight cap like my mom highlighting my hair through the noodle cap but Wasn't that like low-key hot at the time?

14:32Yeah, I mean, we all thought so. The puka shell was like, if a guy was wearing a puka shell, I'm like, you were the fucking shit. Like, you had confidence. Wait, why were you awkward? I just was awkward. I wasn't good at talking to girls. I had no idea. Like, you know, you think like one plus one equals two at that time. You like a girl, they're supposed to like you back. And when the first girl did not like me back at all, I was like, oh, shit. Like, I was like, okay. I guess I didn't even really come into my personality until like middle of high school. I would think. Yeah. I think that's kind of normal though.

15:02I feel like boys either are just like so outgoing and loud and like kind of annoying as shit. Right. Or there's like the little artsy guys that like blossom eventually. I was a little bit more in that vein. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? What were your friends like? So I had some good friends. I, I, they were kind of geeky, you know, outdoorsy, you know, like go-karts and bikes and, and like just little like all, you know, outside doing, you know, sports was sports is a big, like, you know, Texas thing. So like everyone, it's gotten even worse. Like every weekend is like sports for kids.

15:34And it's just this whole, and you didn't play football. I did, but not like, not like Friday night lights football. It wasn't like the Panthers. You weren't Tim Riggins. I love kids. He's a, he's a buddy. but you know i i actually i actually auditioned for that for that show and didn't didn't get the quarterback and i was devastated at the time yeah yeah oh my god and you must have been like wanting that too because being from texas that kind of went like a full circle fun moment oh devastated yeah i was like oh my god that's so bad but but it didn't it didn't work out so you didn't get it in real life and you didn't get an acting no yeah yeah scarred forever yeah yeah i was definitely not my dad was like you're not you're not gonna you're probably not gonna go over six foot so let's um he was like let's maybe stick to golf and something easy yeah golf tell me about golf because i'm gonna be honest when i think back to high school and i think about the guys i'm i'm not you know i'm not gravitating toward the golfers however i feel like they figured no listen now in hindsight if i have a son one day and be like get your fucking ass into golf right right those are the guys that like get the scholarships and are smart and have their life figure it out and just like look put together where like the meatheads like god bless them but like where are they today i know i mean you can keep you can keep playing golf touch your life and i'm not even like i feel like i it seems like i play in these little charity things that they invite me to and like so i yeah so i'm like but i'm not that big of a golfer i played growing up because there was because i wasn't going to be big enough for football so that was sort of the the impetus there can you imagine if you had gotten friday night light that would have been totally different because the next year i got i got the gossip girl things would have been totally oh my god either like you playing football or you being like trust fund mr swab in new york city yeah i feel like that fit you well not that you could have done football okay i want you to know i would have accepted that role too but i think it was meant to be it was meant to be okay wait so you got denied by a girl did you ever go to prom i did go to prom yeah yeah how did you do a promposal come on oh my god i actually ended up going i one of my best friends in high school was this girl alissa alissa weldon lover we called her woobie so we used to like go to prom together just because i had i think i had a girlfriend from a different that's right a girlfriend from a different school and there was like a thing where the girls didn't want you it was just like if you you can't bring a girlfriend from school so i want to bring my friend woobie and we tore it up me and woobie tore it up yeah she was great so that was it do you remember the first time you drank yeah i do actually i do tell us a story it was come back of a honda prius no mike's hard lemonade or no it was a it was a it was a grab bag it was mike's hard lemonade and smirnoff let's say smirnoff or like zima or something like that but it was mike's hard lemonade and smirnoff i think i had one of each whoa but it was one of those things where you're like you don't know if you're drunk and you don't know how to act you you act drunker than you are I think I'm feeling great.

18:27You try and do it. It's just water. We fucked with you. It's just water. You're not even fucking tipsy, but you're like, guys, things are really starting to feel different. Nothing is different. We're just driving and it's moving a little bit. Calm the fuck down. Exactly. Wow. Okay. You had an okay experience because I feel like to say that you had that for your first drink. I was going into my parents' liquor cabinet and grabbing a disgusting brandy and holding my nose and like vomiting back into the bottle and just trying to get like a couple steps you had a nice little mike's no no i had a bad moment with vanilla it was i think it was vanilla coke or vanilla sky it was like vanilla some vanilla flavored ruined it forever that'll do it that'll do it so that's your drink that was my bad moment it was like coke and some vanilla like vanilla coke some mixed with vodka bad night you can never now not drink that and think of that no it was great because then i just kind of would like i switched the beer as you want one dozen texas you switched to some beer so um Abercrombie and Fitch what the fuck what the fuck like I was so awkward about you were an Abercrombie and Fitch boy no I worked there I actually I worked behind the counter I was like doing the numbers you still had to be hot you still had to be hot and cool like you still had to have a thing I lied about my age too because they're like I thought it was like cool to be picked like what would you work and I was like yeah maybe maybe like yeah give me an application and i was like light on the application how okay to all the gen z people that are listening that may have like no idea about the 2000s abercrombie craze can you just describe what it was like to work there you have no idea first of all okay you get to the mall you walk in you can smell that store from any any entrance point in the mall right woods cologne never i can smell it and i can taste it right now thinking about it it's kind of disgusting they We still have it.

20:13God. Yep. And then as I'm getting closer, I can hear the same fucking mix that they've been playing on repeat for 48 hours. I can like know this song. And now I probably love every song on there. But like it's the same thing. You get in there. There's like greeters standing there. Sometimes shirtless back in the day. You were never one of those. I was never one of those. They tried to actually. I had enough at least self dignity and respect back in. They were like, I'm a math guy. Like put me behind the register. So time went by way faster. uh i was not a greeter but you get there you might be introduced by some shirtless guys and then uh and there's always photographs he's like those bruce weber like black and white photographs you know those were kind of the iconic thing that made it so yeah at the time that was very like racy and like oh it was like you because we got like a little bit of penis lines going with on like the boy's side and like the girl's side was like these abs and i was like i literally don't even have tits right now they're like 25 years old right completely completely like high school kids and this smell i was thinking about it though like hollister was 10 times worse because you had to walk in there with a flashlight they turned all the lights off and it was like a madhouse like and you're literally like grabbing clothes and you're just checking out it was awful yeah it was terrible yeah i worked at both i worked at hollister too for a summer it was what terrible it was awful it was awful jace you had you are like that guy the guy that just like worked at Abercrombie and Hollister.

21:39Yeah, I know. I kind of love it though. Yeah, it was cool back then. It's embarrassing. It was, it was cool. Yeah, it was cool. It's not, it's not embarrassing. It's cool. It's cool because back at the, in the day, like I feel like half the time I would walk in that store and that was like maybe my sexual awakening being like, Whoa, like these boys are like so gorgeous. Again, like you said, 25 year old men. Um, and it was, I think it was like a whole experience that back in the day, like that was the coolest thing going. Now we don't even have malls anymore no there's no malls the bev center is great it's empty it's like kind of nice it's kind of nice in there it is a ghost town so okay we're talking about gossip girl again okay okay the audition process i think it's fascinating to think about like you obviously don't get friday night lights and then you go for this like what does that even entail like how long was it did you even know what the show really was gonna be like no i had no idea i mean And I, like a lot of kids, I grew up in the OC in high school and into my college.

22:36The best show. In my college year, it was the best show. Loved it. But it was weird. I went in there. It was like a process of like six hoops to jump through. It was actually kind of a wild process. But I knew that Josh and Stephanie did the OC. They're phenomenal. And I knew it had this potential to be cool. And I'm like, oh, they're definitely going to change the name. That name's never going to stick. It's based on these books, whatever. But I went in and then right away, if I remember correctly, I wore like my most New Yorkie jacket possible, like my preppiest, you know, whatever. I'm obsessed.

23:06And but at the same time, I was a little bit like, again, I'm like younger. I was a little like eye roll. Like this is kind of not beneath me, but I want to I wanted Friday Night Live. Yeah. So I'm like, I kind of went in there with like a like a very kind of blase, like whatever, which probably worked in my favor as those things kind of do. But but they they want to do like a test, you know, thing right away. which I thought great there's gonna be like one more one more audition or whatever but then it was like back with producers and then like producers and director and then it was like it's different it's all different now now you now it's all self-tapes and you just kind of put yourself out there right you know but but back then it was like it was cw so it was cbs and warner brothers so you had to go to like the top of like the warner brothers building and I remember one of the final maybe fourth or fifth times like walking this big like 40 row conference room you know and i think i tested with a few actresses a few girls for like blair or whatever and i remember thinking like i'm like god that's a really great part like she's got some great chunks of dialogue it's like funny and you know no no offense they didn't really i was like that's i just don't really see it with these girls and i got this big conference room and there was just this one girl kind of sitting with her back turned i walked all around like hi nice to meet you and it was like late and turned around and before she even said i'm like that's she's like so perfect she was like hi nice to meet you i'm like that's the girl so we both were like super nervous and we had to like go in and test it's silly it was like a theater seating dark room one stool like lights and it was like you go and then it's like the silliest scenes ever you're doing like in front of like all these people i'm like talking about nathaniel's paxel and all this stupid stuff and so uh anyway so i i did that i was like i don't know if it went well and i guess i got the call so i got it so that is I love also how you just like knew Layton also she was so fucking perfect for that part like no one else could have had band on and I'm like and I think I'm in love with you you're like I love you and then America was like I love you too yeah yeah yeah did you always know you were going in for Nate yeah always for Nate yeah I think they they switched around some of the roles kind of like the play I remember going in a reading with Blake and a few other guys they were trying to fit the pen to the Dan role so yeah I think it's just so fascinating because I've heard some people go in for someone and they get switched but like when I think of Nate your character like had a very different upbringing than like what you were used to like when you first started filming could you relate to anything about this person no like nothing no absolutely nothing I had no idea I didn't really know any northeastern people I had no idea like the whole thing I was it was all new to me did you have an accent money I had I had a like a subtle I kind I lost it in California when I went to college for like four years but like I get drunk I have a little accent but but I had uh I did think about that though I'm like how do you know what is that New York thing you know what is that preppy thing but uh because you went to Pepperdine for one year I did yeah for about a year and a half yeah exactly did your family think you were losing your mind that you dropped out kind of I mean they like I I kind of freaked out I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life I kind of had a freak out moment and just they were supportive I graduated high school a bit younger I was like 17 so they were like take a year off like do whatever and of course I found this acting class I'm like I want to be an actor so you know but they they were somehow supportive they shockingly because I didn't think they would be right my dad being a doctor and whatnot so I was gonna say because I remember Pepperdine when I was picking schools I remember looking it up because I was like so fascinated with California and I look up Pepperdine I'm like this looks like the most magical place on earth yeah and then I was reading and my mom was like sweetie you can't drink if you go to the school why am i bringing that up to you i don't know didn't know that by the way till i got there i didn't know how strict it was we got there i'm like guess i'm joining a fraternity which i didn't necessarily want to do but yeah that is like notoriously one of the strictest schools like you can't drink oh yeah you can't have co-ed past like 11 o 'clock p.m you can't have any curl in your room vice versa yeah did you do anything that like broke the rules your freshman year oh yeah we did yeah quite a bit somehow yeah we could have gotten a lot of trouble actually i think we like skinny dipped in like the president's like pool or something crazy while he was not there like something crazy yeah yeah yeah yeah so you had a good time story i love it we had a good time yeah yeah they're not gonna invite you back no that was like a one-time thing but it was like we kind of like found like i met some really actually three of my best friends they ended up all being from texas and they were like from austin and one was from like amarillo texas and somehow we became like instant good friends yeah yeah so uh It's so fascinating to think about you in college doing one year and then dropping out and going to Gossip Girl.

27:41Do you think that anyone in your hometown was surprised to see that success? Or was everyone like, oh, it's Chase? Guaranteed they were so all – everyone was probably super left field surprised. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They had no clue you'd be doing that. No, I never wanted to be an actor. And I also wasn't that guy. I wasn't like Johnny, like, you know, heartthrob on the TV show. I just wasn't. Right. I mean, I was a late bloomer. By the time I was 21, I kind of started to come more into my own, right? Have real confidence. Confidence. Did you have like random people reach out? I feel like all those people start kind of like crawling.

28:14You know, it does happen. Yeah. I mean, you probably speak that. I'm like, yeah, it's weird. Like certain things happen. People act weird around that kind of stuff. You're like, wait a second. We did go to high school together and you never talked to me. Why are you texting me? Yeah. How do you actually have my number? Yeah, there was that a little bit. actually isn't that weird yeah it was weird it was weird yeah when did it get like really big after season one it kind of just popped right i remember the fall of 2007 like right when it started airing it became big like right away yeah it was really insane do you have a moment that you remember that you were like oh my god my life has like forever changed i don't really i guess there wasn't that one moment there was me and me and ed westwick who played uh chuck on the show yes you know he was like an 18 year old kid from like outside of london he thought he was like pete pete doherty right love obsessed and we i'm from texas like i'm just in college i don't know how expensive new york is it was insane i'm like why my dad had to like give us the just like security deposit in first month's and last month's rent until we got our first paycheck it was like hilarious so i'm like my ed you want to like room together like this is crazy like this rents i'm looking at this is he's like oh yeah sure man He had no idea.

29:29And first summer, we were moving in July. Probably just turned 21 or 22. And we were at the Summer Series in Central Park. I don't know if you remember any of that. But they had big concerts out there. And it was like the Black Keys, Arctic Monkeys. I might be dating myself. But it was awesome. It was awesome. Suns out, beers. And the show hadn't even come out. We'd shot the pilot. We just moved there. And we were having a blast. Just him and I just exploring the city. And these girls did come up to us. And it kind of freaked us out a little bit. because we didn't know and he kind of looked at me he's like i think we're fucked mate he's like show hasn't even come out yet man he's like this whole thing and uh that was that that moment is pretty crystallized in my mind because it was all like the black keys are playing it was just like you're just being like normal dudes like sitting chilling and then it's like hello that was the very first time i think anyone ever asked for any type of picture so that was that i do remember that as being like a defining like oh interesting saying that's a weird feeling as it like really started to pop off like how did you initially handle that like fame and attention not well actually not well it kind of made me paranoid to be honest like slightly I don't want to say it was like this terrible thing it was no but it was fun it was fun but like you said people come out of the woodwork like think people start acting weird around fame and you start realizing all these things you can only realize from that see yeah um but i mean i don't want to act like it was this thing it was we had a blast for me it was all about having fun like i had so much fun but it was um you just are always kind of like you can't like you kind of aren't present all the time like you kind of just kind of like unwary about people or phones like a little bit like not you know i think that's okay to say like and i get what you're saying like that doesn't mean you're not so grateful for everything that came right but it's like a very odd experience as a human being to be like oh all those people are staring at me right now and watching me and they know who I am and I have no idea who these people are they think they know you right like you're like I'm not Nate Archibald as much as you want me to be I am not my name is Chase I'm from Texas yeah yeah yeah and New York's interesting because it's like all you get all this influx of people and tourists and you're not only you're you're that character in that city so it's like Mickey Mouse in Disneyland they all want to see like take a photo with like mickeys you feel like they just come up and hug you and it's like you're in this costume we've just kind of funny weird can we talk about that for a minute because i didn't even think about that most shows that are like even movies if they're like set in new york spoiler they're not fucking shot in new york most of them are shot in canada toronto toronto yes and you guys actually were living breathing filming shooting in new york city the show was set in New York City so like you're walking then to get breakfast and you're not working but you're like walking wherever you're walking and someone sees you like were people calling you Nate on the street all the time that was it that was it was always the character's name yeah yeah yeah it was crazy and also fun but like it was it blurs the lines a lot you know and and uh it was just weird it was like a really weird like if we were shooting exactly in Toronto it's a different thing but people are visiting New York and it was its own character in the show you know and people are like you know fans of the show and when they see you actually in that environment it's like this whole like their mind is blown you know so it was a doubly interesting thing and it's also weird to be in New York City as you like I think it's interesting because I just asked you at the beginning of this like oh could you relate to anything you're from Texas this character and you're like no and then all of a sudden you went from not being able to relate to anything about this character to like you almost were becoming a part of this character was getting meta yeah Yeah, it was weird like that.

33:06Yeah, yeah. You're like, I live in New York City. I am getting paparazzi. People want to know who I'm dating. And so I started off being like, I can't relate to this fucking kid at all. And now it's like. Yeah, yeah. And I think it was like Perez Hilton or whatever the gossip girly thing was at that time. I always thought it was funny stuff, but it was the same thing happening. You know what I mean? And I thought I wouldn't even like New York. I visited in high school. And of course, we went to all the touristy, awful spots. And I was there for a month. I'm like, oh, God, I love this place. Fucking love it.

33:34I fucking love this place. That's the thing about New York. Don't you feel like when you visit New York, it's so overwhelming. You get sent to the touristy spots where you're like, Times Square. And it's like all the places that if you live there, you would never go. Then when you live there, you like find the pockets and you're like, this is the best place. This is the best place ever. Yeah. We kind of had the keys to the city. And it's like your 20s in New York, as you know, it's just there's nothing better. So it was like, it was so great. So you're friends with Ed. You guys live together. Like, I'm obsessed that you guys were roommates.

34:03I didn't know that until I was like doing research for this where I'm like, I didn't know you guys fucking live together. That's epic. What was Ed's best and worst quality as a roommate? Oh, God.

34:30what was ed's best and worst quality as a roommate oh god you know a lot of bad ones let me tell you that much uh we lived in this little apartment i think it was like a they call like a junior one where there was like the like a real bedroom right and then there was like an office you could put in a closed wall and i was like we'll just switch like and i'll pay a little bit more of course we never switch and i'm glad we did because ed's room was like you know it was like a lunch pail with like overflowing cigarettes and like i mean you thought like the joker lived there it was insane i'm not even kidding i should be calling him out like this but i love it i love it but he's 8 19 i'm 21 like you know and and uh he was just messy i'm a little oc i mean i'm not ocd i'm like a little bit on that side of like i need things put in the right place and stuff so oh so him he's literally like an ashtray walking around you're like clean up clean up clean up like shoving the stuff in his room shoving the door and like and then it was like and he's you know at the time like ripping cigs i was like stop that you know so that was probably i didn't like blast in that place we had like a roof dot roof deck yeah we have to go down the elevator and to the thing but no one was ever up there on like 26th and 10th or 11th and and uh what is that like it was just like it's not midtown bill chelsea i guess technically yeah yeah yeah but it was kind of close to the water had like this amazing view on this roof deck and we just called it roof deck and he would like invite a bunch of people we bring a bose speaker and some like you you know, big bottle of vodka, whatever, and just like have like a party up there all the time.

36:01Okay. First of all, to think about the two of you throwing a party on your roof deck. Yeah. What was the difference between Chase and Ed's parties versus Nate and Chuck's parties? Not much except the money involved. We didn't put much money behind ours. We weren't making quite that you know i know i ended up being like the president of the world at the end of the show but it was ridiculous and he was owning hotel chains but uh his was very much skewed more like like british underground rock scene you know and i had like like the beers going and but they did turn out to be pretty like fun kind of well-known parties like people would like show up from all over the place and like wait all the city i mean is it true that you lived in the same building as the chain smokers oh it's a great story yeah no next door actually jessica zorro i love the dash she's getting married in August and I can't wait to see her she played Vanessa on the show and we all all hang out and then she'd be like guys and she she's in 555 we were like 535 so it was she was literally we were next door and she'd always be like my my uh my my roommate my this guy down the hall like Alex like plays what is this accent you're doing I'm trying to a Wisconsin accent it's terrible it's terrible wait is she the one you have the dog with she's from Wisconsin no no no no no Oh, my God.

37:19I was like, this is too full circle. No, no. We've all been like great friends. This is your Wisconsin. Do that again. No, she's like from Wisconsin. It's terrible. I can't do it. Wisconsin. Do it. Do it. She's like, guys, my friend Alex is playing. Oh, my God. He's like a DJ. And then it's terrible. She's literally going to call you and be like, why did you act like I speak like that on that show? I love her too. I'm obsessed. But she'd be like, yo. And it was like three in the morning. I mean, you know, New York goes very late. So we'd be out. She'd be like, come back over. Like, we're going to go to Alex's house.

37:53Our apartment. It's only a house, like a little tiny apartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was Alex from Chainsmokers. And he just liked playing. He's the best. I still see him out and about. And we would just sit there and rip and, like, just, like, chop it up talking. And he's, like, DJing, playing music. And, yeah. What a small world. That's crazy to think that, like, you guys as, like, young guys. Because they weren't even formed yet, were they? No, they weren't. They weren't. Because he hadn't met Drew yet. Exactly. He hadn't met Drew yet. That's right. So I think there was someone else involved.

38:23But he hadn't met Drew. And our mutual friend with Jessica was this guy, Will Malnati. He's still my best friend. I met him through her. But he worked in nightclubs kind of or hospitality. Right. So Alex was like, hey, can you get me into these places? And he did. Will hooked him up and got him into these nightclubs to DJ and stuff like that. They're the best. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're so fun. They're awesome. I had them on and I was like, that was. That's right. You did have them on. Yes. I won't ask if you and Ed have had a threesome together. but I did ask them that what'd they say what was their answer absolutely they literally go uh which which one and we were like I was like what and they're like which time and I was like I don't know I don't know tell me about them all and Alex at the time was like stop Drew and Drew was like okay so the first time I'm like oh my god okay this is quite fun yeah um who would you guys invite to these parties because at the time were you like hanging out with industry people were you meeting like chicks at like nyu um sometimes yeah like so i i don't know exactly who would we bring up there we'd bring good friends but then sometimes they'd get really out of hand and it'd be like you know like it'd be insane i remember one time i went this is very like a 2000 early 2000 story with the class but like we would have you know it got a lot of hand but that but the doorman loved us and they would like kind of let us do anything they would just say like do this or that don't do that uh and so he called i think a doorman called me he's like yo there's you gotta come down there's some commotion going on down here and i'm like what's going on and i go down the elevator and you could see you could see like all the way down and there was just floor to ceiling windows at the front of the building right and i look and it was like lindsey lohan and sam ronson they were dating at the time it's very 2000 we're like walking down and there was just a wall of photographers in the window i was like whoa we made it did they ever come up of course they came up and it was great and i think we had met before kind of and they're amazing like sam's great and i haven't seen them in ages but like they came up and it was like a very early 2000s these are the details we needed chase yeah these are stories i haven't ever told and then and then and then uh we like you know raged up there it was did paris ever come to a party she did not but i saw i saw paris recently actually really and i i did at this like fancy you know some oscar thing and and uh she said hey i went up to her said hey and we're i'm like you know i'm like you remember the first time you ever met we ever met right and she was like i think she said i think so and i was like i was in college i hadn't done anything yet acting wise but i was living i just moved to la my sister was in town with a buddy and we were at like teddy's that nightclub back in the day which was like the best and i was like we and like you were so nice to us you hung out there's an invite us to your birthday party and we all went and it was amazing and she was like no way i'm like yes she's literally like i don't remember this at all she doesn't remember any of it she i think she's amazing and so i always we always say what's up when i see her but that was like my other you know early 2000s story i'm obsessed because you paris is like the nicest fucking human when you meet her you're like oh my god you're even better in person like she's lovely but i love how like for paris like that probably meant like nothing at the time to her she's like got leo at her parties and she's got everyone and she's like oh god and meanwhile you're like my life is made yeah my sister was in like college i was like barely out of college i'm like are you fucking kidding me she invites us to her birthday but she's being so nice i'm like yeah we'll go it was great at her house it was a blast like it was really really cool like that is fucking epic 2005 or six probably who knows did any of your rooftop parties ever get shut down they never did actually they never did there was no one really like the noise didn't travel because it was so that's the that's you being having it in with like the doorman yeah yeah yeah but no one ever used it either like it was really wild i don't know how we got to have a rooftop yeah and to have a one junior suite thing that's like a one bedroom yeah that's pretty insane that's a great little gig it's a great deal for me i got the main room so yeah sorry okay what would he say your worst quality as a roommate is oh oh i don't know what he would say um what would he say my worst quality would be uh probably probably falling asleep so easily when we're when he was like trying to tell a story we'd be watching like just like cds of entourage just playing and he's like look at that i'd be like passed out but like i don't know what my worst quality was i was a great i'm a great roommate i'll never have another roommate so help me god i need to have ed on now and he watch him be like come with a list.

42:53He's like, number one. No, it seems like if you're the one that's like cleaner, like you're, maybe he'd be like, he was annoying as shit. He was constantly cleaning my shit. Like leave my shit alone. Yeah. When I, when I had to like move out, I think he was like heartbroken. I think he was a little bit mad at me. He had built and made. After like two years, I'm like, all right, buddy. Like I need my own. We're successful with the show's gone. We got to like, just have our own place. And he stayed in that place and like knock the wall down and like made it his own. He did. Yeah. With like an ax.

43:19He like knocked his little wall down. It was very dramatic. like yeah wait were you like are you insane that you're staying uh a little bit yeah yeah actually yeah bro we got the paycheck like we got the thing yeah it was like two two years we had two good years right look let's go um okay have you ever hooking up with a co-star it's just that's such a night you just did it so you know and then you go for the water so casually acting like i'm gonna forget what i just asked hoping i'll go on to a next question Listen, I would say those things are inevitable. When you're in your 20s or whatever.

44:01It could be for anything, like workplace. But the thing is you're on these things. It's not like people would probably think it's like these sexy scenes or whatever. That's like the worst part of it. It's like 60 people watching. It's like the downtime. You're doing this show. You're on set for like 12, 14 hours a day. and usually there's some pretty interesting different people from all walks of life and and the danger is the danger is if you have if you connect right away with like sense of humor at least for me like if you have a good if you like have like have a rapport and can like kind of banter and give each other shit yeah for me i'm like oh i gotta like watch out watch it for myself so i'm like i'm gonna like start well you know liking them yeah well and i bet it's like yeah that's a good point you're spending so much time with these people that obviously the minute if you're like emotionally connecting with someone that can be your person like while you're like sitting in between scenes like you start to just get closer and then naturally okay so you're gonna leave it to all of us to guess who it was I can't I mean listen I've done like other shows and stuff but yeah you know it's oh yeah but like I love how you had to take a pause take a sip of water and you got really centered with yourself and then you like made eye contact with me and you gave me the most perfect pr answer like sometimes when things get heated and the emotions are there it's inevitable but you know we've all moved on no it's fine it's fine um did you ever know if co-stars at the time were like hooking up and then you like kept their secret for them yeah absolutely yeah absolutely and by the way there's a lot of like actors and people coming on to the show so they're like over the years and then i had i was fortunate enough to have like friends in the city there were actors but they were outside the show and I had a really good like friend group and then like they everyone else has their little friend group and so you know you meet people in those in that wider circle it's not just like you know that tiny little like circle everyone's like putting a map together like so you know it's a lot of people involved uh but you know again it was like our college experience you know exactly one year at Pepperdine three years at Gossip Girl University can I ask though if you weren't dating let's say someone on in your cast what was your dating life like during gossip girl because now you're famous people know you you're in a city yeah what was it like it was I mean in the sense of like dating life it was kind of non-existent I didn't really like I was never like doing the well I never like doing like the interview like sit down like go on dates it was like I was meeting a lot of people out all the time um and it was very uh like it was very much like meet and meet people through your friends and and like for me I guess it was I don't know I guess it was experience based like you kind of do something or you go off and and meet people through through a crazy experience I would kind of connect with them and then and then we would we would date so and you're so young like yeah being 22 23 in New York City like at that point I'm assuming you were not looking for a relationship like you're having fun you're meeting people you're hooking up you're going to work like you're starting to make your first real like paycheck like right yeah fun yeah yeah it was a lot of fun yeah we had a lot of fun and in high school i kind of had like one girlfriend and it was very like kind of that thing and so i was kind of you know wanted to wanted to get out there fun so okay how did you feel when we found out that dan was fucking gossip girl i felt happy that it wasn't me i was just really happy that it wasn't nate because then they told me they were probably they were thinking about i'm like why would it even be me i'm like your character was like too like latte pair like you wouldn't have time to like get on your computer in type of way no yeah he's in politics now he's a senator now right yeah like 26 year old senator so yeah i kind of always thought of nate as just kind of like go with the flow like although i hate when you hooked up with that older woman i didn't like like that era yeah i didn't love that and but i liked you and serena were together yeah yeah the white party the kiss to make everyone jealous yeah yeah you're a fan i love it okay you know you don't even want to know how much of a fan i am when it ends i think i've talked a lot about with people when they're actors of like Like, understandably, there's this fan base that is like, don't you fucking dare say you weren't sad to see it end.

48:08But most people are like, I got to move on with my fucking life. It's time to go. Like, how did you feel when it all was ending? Were you like, let's fucking go? Or tears? I went through like a major depression, I feel like, looking back. Not really, but I wasn't prepared for it to end, I guess. I thought I was, but it was more like New York. It's your family. It's like you wake up and you and even the drivers like you, you know what I mean? It's like the hair and makeup girls like they're awesome. And that's your whole day. That's like your whole identity. Yeah. It's like a young. I was ready for it to be done.

48:44But I mean, me and Ed would talk about all the time. It's like, this is the greatest job we'll ever have. It was so easy. It was an easy thing. It was fun. And we would laugh about that. But more I was just mad. I had to like I was like, I guess I guess I got to go back to L.A. And like, you know, I really liked it. I liked it in New York. New York. I should have stayed for a little bit. Why didn't you? I don't know. In hindsight with real estate, I should have just bought in a place and kept it. What was I thinking? You should have gone back and gotten the place that Ed had been renting out and bought a whole floor and renovated the whole thing.

49:17Diffumigated the whole thing. But you went back to LA. I went back to LA. Yes. Yes. So talk to me about your state of depression. I can imagine it's like kind of an identity crisis, right? It was. Yeah, it was an identity crisis. It was just a weird thing. It didn't last very long, but it was like a few months of like, it was just a daunting thing of like, there's auditions now and like going back and how do I, and you're putting a box a little bit, you know what I mean? You're kind of the guy that did a CW show who looks a certain way. It's definitely like, okay, I gotta, I gotta find something to kind of break out of that.

49:49So there was, there was that. Yeah. And I feel like also, I mean, wait, how long was Gossip Girl? How many years? Six years. Yeah, six years. That's like a long ass time to be in something like at what, like towards the end of the last year, you guys knew it was ending, right? Yeah. Yeah. We knew. Yeah. But you still have to start to, it doesn't probably feel real until it's over. And it's almost like a college experience plus more to be with people. And then like, do you keep in touch with anyone? Kind of, you know how it goes. I mean, yeah. Like I, yeah, we were on texts sometimes and like you make loose plans.