Chace Crawford: Gossip Girl, House Parties & Dating Disasters

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. Chase Crawford, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me, Alex. Yeah. I am so excited to meet you. Okay, you have to tell a little bit of the backstory, though, because you were just telling me downstairs that you kind of were a fan and, like, I need to hype myself. I was. Listen, I'm a little bit nervous right now because I'm so excited, Alex. No, I was telling you, I'm like, maybe I should save it for the podcast, but I'm an OG daddy fan. Let's fucking go. I'd be like, you know, I'd be like, walking my dog.

0:36I always listen to podcasts. I was like, who are these? you guys were giving insane advice and it was amazing because you weren't giving like just this cliche rote advice to women you're like fuck it this is how we're seeing this is what's the guys we're seeing in new york like or whatever right and i lived in new york obviously so but but yeah but you guys are like this is how we're seeing it this is the real stuff we're gonna give give out this is how you play it this is our advice this is what works for us and i thought it was the best thing i laughed i thought it was amazing i would listen to like full full like oh my god oh so you really i was entertained by the whole thing yeah i'm og i love your new stuff i love all the stuff oh you were all the way back in like the blowjob tips like you were yeah yeah exactly exactly all this stuff i couldn't turn it off i'm like this is amazing this is great you're giving everyone that like the information that the world needs it's the hard-hitting facts i appreciate you sharing that also picturing you like walking your dog being like that was like the funniest shit in the og days when it was so graphic that people would be like my airpods got disconnected i'm at work and it's like you have to suck the living shit out and she's like fucking shit connects to bluetooth literally yeah literally i'll be walking my dog just very like thinking very like wow like oh my god what a great point this is awesome

2:05I'm really interested because every time I meet people, I have no idea what to expect. Like with you, I was interested to know, like, is he going to be extroverted? Is he going to be introverted? Like, would you say in your life you're an extroverted person? I'm weird. I'm weird. I am. I'm both. I know that's like a lame answer. No, it's a normal answer. I'm very much like I compartmentalize things. I can really like go out and like let loose. And I'm very social and I can be loud and have fun. Yeah. But I like my alone time. You know, I like my own bed. And like I'm sort of a closet reader and a nerd.

2:37And like my dog, I like my alone time. So, yeah. What kind of dog do you have? He's like a little rescue. He's like a little. They lied to us at the rescue place. It was like I share him with an ex-girlfriend actually. so you're one of those i'm one of those i'm one of those oh my chase i'm judging you so hard i know oh my god oh my god it's all about him though it's all about the dog no that's fucking bullshit wait that's like a full problem when you meet someone new and you have to be like this is like our child i know it's not even i mean she's got a fiance it's not even like i know i don't think it's a weird thing at all people think it's the funniest thing i'm like it actually is the only way to have a dog in fact no the cast member recently she was she wanted a dog i'm like You want to get a dog together?

3:15I know how this goes. That is actually mentally insane. It's insane. So you have to see her constantly. You know, not as often as you think. She does have a key to my house. And so a lot of times. I know. It's getting worse. Listen, it's not that big of a deal. A lot of times I'll just like I flew out last week to go work in Toronto. I'm like, hey, Shiner. His name's Shiner. After a Texas beer. Very stupid. I'm like, Shiner's in the house. Just go in there and take him. And she just goes and picks him up. I'm not even there. But sometimes, yeah, we're still like friends and cordial. It's great.

3:42so you're imagine you're like in there on a date with the dog and she comes to pick it up and has the key like you just you have to describe that to new women like listen it's nothing other than just for the dog's happiness like we share her right right i guess i'd never let that happen i guess i drop him off sometimes she lives close by me and what not what if a girl said like i can't do this unless you guys give up the dog oh these girls gone i mean this dog takes precedent i think I might love that dog more than my future child. I mean, I'm not even kidding. I will, I will die for that dog.

4:17That's how it happens. They get you like that. They really, I get it. I get it. How would your friends describe you to like someone that they wanted to set you up with? Like, how are your friends describing you? I don't know. That's a very good question. Outgoing, funny, hopefully. Um, you know, I can, I, I like to think I can cook a little bit, But if they were being honest, I don't know. Maybe, you know, he's a bad texter, maybe. I'm not that great. I'm being honest. I'm not that great, you know. I think that's a good sign, though. I think if you treat a woman really well in person, and then sometimes you're not a bad texter, but you're open about it.

4:53Right. Like, that's okay. Like, Matt, my partner, my husband, is like not, he's not a good texter at all. In the beginning days, I was like, does he fucking hate me? Yeah, totally. But now I know I like appreciate it that he's not on his phone 24-7 being one of those freaks. Like, are you on your phone though 24-7? You're just not texting back? I'm not. No, no. I like to leave it. It's always on vibrate. I like to – I still like to be always attached to it. Okay. And so – That's good. But then I'll overthink. I have a little anxiety. I don't know what to do. So sometimes I like – I literally forget to like form a response.

5:24You know, I got to get back to that. So I'll forget about it and it's terrible and I'm just – that's kind of how I am. I'm a little scattered with the texting. But do you think that's your biggest red flag? like you're just a bad texter what else what's what's another red flag i'd like to think i got green flags no i got let me think um you know my exes maybe my 20 might say i'm bad at communicating so that kind of ties in but i've learned i've learned you've gotten better you've gotten better late 30s now i've gotten better so i'm more vulnerable yeah we love a vulnerable man that can like tap into his emotions and his feelings totally what are you doing on a saturday night with your friends oh that's a good question um usually what did i do last weekend like like my buddy like this next saturday he does uh like 60 he does these big like lunches at jolina and we all bring a bottle of wine and it but it's like six hours so and he prefaced it with that i was like i don't know if i'm gonna make it six hours and it went by like that so we do this we do these little like lunches with random different people he's kind of in the food industry so we kind of like have these interesting are you getting like annoyed when you're out like are Are you getting noticed all the time everywhere you go?

6:30No, no, it depends. I'm not like, you know, I'm not like DiCaprio level where it's like this. I kind of have a nice pocket where it's fun to get recognized for the Gossip Girl thing still. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Which has like still been this like three different waves of Netflix. I don't know how it keeps coming around. But it's the same age, you know, females always like so excited. So I do get it sometimes in more touristy spots like Venice or in New York or somewhere kind of. That's fun. Where there's more people from all over the place. yeah but it's fun that you have like a good attitude about it because i can imagine like i've i've talked to people before on my show about like people that are have done so much in their career but there's this one thing that people are like we just can't get past it like for you it's gossip girl for like other oh my god for other people it's like the oc like i know you've talked talking like rachel bilson like totally yeah it's like she's done so much in her career but there's the one thing that people like can we just talk about this for 19 hours and it's like you can either just be positive about it or like fucking hate it but like it's what made you super famous right and it's kind of fun for all of us to like indulge a little bit i mean when you're young in your 20s it's like i'm like you try everything's so precious that i want to be like marlon brando like i was so annoyed by gossip girl right and like even the name i hate it dude it's like it's the great it's great it's the greatest thing yeah it's like it's this weird cultural thing of the zeitgeist of that time to like pre-instagram pre all these things like the first iphone had just come out like it was such a weird amazing time in new york it's fucking amazing when were you in new york i was in new york right i'm a like a little younger so i was like yeah new york for me was just as crazy but like i had my fucking iphone and it wasn't as fun like i remember college more when i was watching gossip girl in like high school i was like obsessed with it because i grew up on the east coast i like knew the nature of new york city but i was not i didn't come from like a wealthy family so like the con i was like with the fucking humphreys i would have been down and like i mean even the humphreys are in this like loft space it's like a 20 million dollar like that's all bs like that's like that's what i was like i can't afford shit like what the fuck my first apartment in york city was quite literally a shoebox and i'm like yeah it's not looking so glamorous but you still go out and you can still go to the similar places that's what i love about new york is like yeah you can go to where dicaprio is or whoever the fuck and new York is cool like that where LA is a little bit more snooty where it's like you can't get in here where New York it's like anyone can get in anywhere and they'll treat me like it's kind of nice because everyone was like way too cool for school yes they don't give a shit about anything at all I don't even like look at me I get the thing I'm like okay listen I mean get Lakers tickets to save my life everyone wants it but the Knicks they would always give me Knicks tickets and Rangers baby so yeah that was it fucking amazing shout out to them we're gonna talk a little bit more obviously about Gossip Girl at some point but I do want to talk to you about your childhood because obviously you're this like you became this heartthrob your life changed I think around like 22 ish was Gossip Girl yeah 21 22 you're right yeah yeah yeah so like before that like how would you describe your childhood it was interesting I was born in Lubbock small town Texas not much going on out there I kind of woke up I was in Oklahoma City first memories so random parents are from there dad's from there my parents met there at a small very small like religious college there so oklahoma city very and listen my parents had me when they were like 20 and 21 so that's you know it's very very southern thing yeah i mean they were still growing up as we were i can't imagine having like a 15 year old right now so um so they were young my dad was in med school uh what what happened we moved to minnesota for four years for his med school and then we moved back to texas uh when i was like nine or ten years old in dallas i'm from dallas like north north dallas a little bit suburbia a little bit out there in the sticks but more suburbia you know yeah were you raised religious yeah yeah basically yeah were you oh my god it was it was tough because obviously i can't imagine being from the south and being raised religious like i was raised catholic every single sunday going to church and i was from pennsylvania so it wasn't like probably as intense maybe as like adding on the south but it was just confusing because I always felt more like pulled to the arts and like pulled to these things that just like weren't as traditional.

10:41Me too. Right. Yeah. And so you just kind of feel like a fucking weirdo and you feel like art naturally like pushes the boundaries on conversations. Right. And when you're raised religious, it's a little bit like, what are you doing here? Like you're like calling outside the lines. And if you were raised in Los Angeles, it's like, go sweetie, you're doing great. so it's like it's just a matter of where you were raised like was it hard for you with like when did you know you wanted to get into the arts i was i was like an artistic kid actually i was always drawing and stuff i i never wanted to be an actor i had no idea about acting or any of it i know it's like that shitty story that's like no one wants to hear i'd like no that's good that's yeah yeah like i was very naive about about the acting thing i just yeah when there was like this like this like secular world right that's like you know even i was sort of a bit policed on what music I was listening to and you know all these other things it kind of makes you feel just claustrophobic in a way right I remember like always really wanting to just travel or just get out of the bubble and meet new people and go out and do that but I was a pretty good drawer and like charcoal and like a little bit of painting when I was like you know like middle school I started kind of I'm not grabbing like I was good for like a sixth grader okay like good for like a kid yeah yeah good for like a hundred kids in my grade okay I was like the best artist I had like 100 kids in Dallas.

11:57Right, right, right. No, no. But so my parents did kind of like foster that a little bit. They let me, you know, I went into like photography classes and those are my favorite, favorite stuff. So did you ever have an awkward face? Oh, yeah, totally. Oh, my God. I should have. Yeah. I wish I had a picture of me in like sixth grade with the Abercrombie and the puka and like, oh, I'm talking full highlight cap, like my mom highlighting my hair through the noodle cap. But wasn't that like low key hot at the time? Yeah. I mean, we all thought so. The puka shell was like, if a guy was wearing a puka shell, I'm like, you were the fucking shit.

12:30Like, you had confidence. Wait, why were you awkward? I just was awkward. I wasn't good at talking to girls. I had no idea. Like, you know, you think like one plus one equals two at that time. You like a girl, they're supposed to like you back. And when the first girl did not like me back at all, I was like, oh, shit. Like, I was like, okay. I guess I didn't even really come into my personality until like middle of high school, I would think. Yeah, I think that's kind of normal, though. I feel like boys either are just like so outgoing and loud and like kind of annoying as shit. Right. Or there's like the little artsy guys that like blossom eventually.

13:02I was a little bit more in that vein. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? What were your friends like? So I had some good friends. I, I, they were kind of geeky, you know, outdoorsy, you know, like go karts and bikes and, and, and like just little like all, you know, outside doing, you know, sports was sports is a big, like, you know, Texas thing. So like everyone, it's gotten even worse. Like every weekend is like sports for kids and it's just this whole thing. And you didn't play football. I did, but not like Friday Night Lights football. It wasn't like the Panthers. It wasn't like Riggins.

13:33You weren't Tim Riggins. I love Kitsch. He's a buddy. But, you know, I actually auditioned for that show and didn't get the quarterback. And I was devastated at the time. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. And you must have been like wanting that too because being from Texas, that kind of went like a full circle fun moment. Oh, devastated. Yeah. I was like, oh, my God, that's so bad. but but it didn't it didn't work out so you didn't get it in real life and you didn't get in acting no yeah yeah scarred forever yeah yeah i was definitely not my dad was like you're not you're not gonna you're probably not gonna go over six foot so let's um he was like let's maybe stick to golf and something easy yeah golf tell me about golf because i'm gonna be honest when i think back to high school and i think about the guys i'm i'm not you know i'm not gravitating toward the golfers however i feel like they figured no listen now in hindsight if i have a son one day and be like get your fucking ass into golf right right those are the guys that like get the scholarships and are smart and have their life figured out and just like look put together where like the meatheads like god bless them but like where are they i know i mean you can keep you can keep playing golf touch your life and i'm not even like i feel like i it seems like i play in these little charity things that they invite me to and like so i yeah so i'm like but i'm not that big of a golfer i played growing up because there was because I wasn't going to be big enough for football so that was sort of the the impetus there can you imagine if you had gotten Friday Night Light that would have been totally different because the next year I got I got the gossip girl things would have been totally oh my god either like you playing football or you being like trust fund Mr.

15:04Swab in New York City yeah I feel like that fit you well not that you could have done football okay I want you to know I would have accepted that role too but I think it was meant to be it was meant to be okay wait so you got denied by a girl did you ever go to prom i did go to prom yeah yeah how did you do a promposal come on oh my god i actually ended up going i one of my best friends in high school was this girl alissa alissa weldon lover we called her whoopee so we used to like go to prom together just because i had i think i had a girlfriend from a different that's right a girlfriend from a different school and there was like a thing where the girls didn't want you it was just like if you you can't bring a girlfriend in school so i want to bring my friend and we tore it up.

15:44Me and Weubi tore it up. Oh, good for you. So that was it. Do you remember the first time you drank? Yeah, I do actually. I do. Tell us the story. It was back of a Honda Prius. No. Mike's Hard Lemonade. Or no, it was a grab bag. It was Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff. Let's say Smirnoff. Or like Zima or something like that. But it was Mike's Hard Lemonade and Smirnoff. I think I had one of each. but it was one of those things where you like you don't know if you're drunk and you don't know how to actually you act drunker than you are i think i think i'm feeling i'm feeling great like you like try and and like dude it's just water we like we we talked with you it's just water well you're not even like fucking tipsy but you're like no guys things are really starting to feel different and like it's nothing is different we're just driving and it's like moving a little bit okay calm the fuck down exactly wow okay so like you had like an okay experience because i feel like to say that you had that for your first drink like i was like going into my parents liquor cabinet and like grabbing like a disgusting brandy and like holding my nose and like vomiting back into the bottle and just trying to get like a couple steps you had a nice little mike's no no i had a bad moment with vanilla it was i think it was vanilla coke or vanilla sky it was like vanilla some vanilla flavored ruined it forever that'll do it that'll do it so that's your drink that was my bad moment it was like coke and some vanilla like vanilla coke is a mixed with vodka bad night you can never now not drink that and think of that no it was great because then i just kind of would like i switched the beer as you want one dozen texas you switch to some beer so um abercrombie and fitch what the fuck what the fuck like i was so awkward about you were an abercrombie and fitch boy no i worked there i actually i worked behind the counter i was like doing the numbers you still had to be hot you still had to be hot and cool like you still had to have a thing i lied about my age too because they're like i thought it was like cool to be He picked, like, would you work in?

17:32I was like, yeah, maybe. Like, yeah, give me an application. And I was, like, light on the application. How? Okay, to all the Gen Z people that are listening that may have, like, no idea about the 2000s Abercrombie craze, can you just describe what it was like to work there? You have no idea. First of all, okay, you get to the mall. You walk in. You can smell that store from any entrance point in the mall, right? Woods Cologne. I can smell it and I can taste it right now. thinking about it it's kind of disgusting they probably still have it god yep and then as i'm getting closer i can hear the same fucking mix that they've been playing on repeat for 48 hours i can like know this song and now i probably love every song on there but like it's the same thing you get in there there's like greeters standing there sometimes shirtless back in the day i mean you were never one of those i was never one of those they tried to actually i had enough at least self-dignity respect back then they were like um i'm a math guy like put me behind the register so and I actually time went by way faster uh I was not a greeter but you get there you might be introduced by some shirtless guys and then uh and there's always photographs he's like those Bruce Weber like black and white photographs you know those were kind of the iconic thing that made it so yeah at the time that was very like racy and like oh it was like you because we got like a little bit of penis lines going with on like the boy's side and like the girl's side was like these abs and I was like I literally don't even have tits right now we're like 25 years old right Completely.

18:59Completely. They're not like high school kids. And the smell. I was thinking about it though. Like Hollister was 10 times worse because you had to walk in there with a flashlight. They turned all the lights off and it was like a madhouse. Like and you're literally like grabbing clothes and you're just checking out. It was awful. Yeah. It was terrible. Yeah. I worked at both. I worked at Hollister too for a summer. It was terrible. It was awful. It was awful. Chase, you had, you are like that guy, the guy that just like worked at Abercrombie and Hollister. Yeah, I know. I kind of love it though.

19:32Yeah. It was cool back then. It's embarrassing. It was cool. Yeah, it was cool. It's not, it's not embarrassing. It's cool. It's cool. Because back at the, in the day, like I feel like half the time I would walk in that store and that was like maybe my sexual awakening being like, whoa, like these boys are like so gorgeous. Again, like you said, 25 year old men. and it was I think it was like a whole experience that back in the day like that was the coolest thing going now we don't even have malls anymore no there's no malls the Bev Center is great it's empty it's like kind of nice you can walk my dog it's kind of nice in there it is a ghost town so okay we're talking about Gossip Girl again okay okay the audition process I think it's fascinating to think about like you obviously don't get Friday Night Lights and then you go for this like what does that even entail like how long was it did you even know what the show really was gonna be like no I had no idea I mean I like a lot of kids why I watch I grew up in the OC in high school and into my college the best uh in my college year was the best show loved it but it was weird I I went in there it was like a process of like a six six hoops to jump through it was actually kind of a wild process but I knew that Josh and Stephanie did the OC they're phenomenal and I knew it could had this potential to be cool and i'm like oh they're definitely gonna change the name that name's never gonna stick you know it's based on these books whatever but i went in and then right away uh if i remember i wore like my most new yorky jacket possible like my preppiest you know whatever and uh but at the same time i was a little bit like again i'm like younger i was a little like eye roll like this is kind of not beneath me but i want to i wanted friday night yeah right yeah so i'm like i kind of went in there with like uh like a very kind of blase like whatever which probably worked in my favor as those things kind of do but but they they wanted to like a test you know thing right away which i thought great there's gonna be like one more one more audition or whatever but then it was like back with producers and then like producers and director and then it was like it's different it's all different now now you now it's all self tapes and you just kind of put yourself out there right you know but but back then it was like it It was CW, so it was CBS and Warner Brothers.

21:37So you had to go to the top of the Warner Brothers building. And I remember one of the final, maybe fourth or fifth times, walking in this big 40-row conference room. And I think I tested with a few actresses, a few girls for Blair or whatever. And I remember thinking, I'm like, God, that's a really great part. She's got some great chunks of dialogue. It's funny. And no offense. I was like, I just don't really see it with you. girls and i got this big conference room and there was just this one girl kind of sitting with her back turned i walked all around like hi nice to meet you and it was like late and turned around and before she even said i'm like that's she's like so perfect she was like hi nice to meet you like that's the girl so we both were like super nervous and we had to like go in and test it's silly it was like a theater seating dark room one stool like lights and it was like you go and then it's like the silliest scenes ever you're doing like in front of like all these people i'm like about nathaniel's paxel and all this stupid stuff and so uh anyway so i i did that i was like i don't know if it went well and i guess i got the call so i got it so that is i love also how you just like knew late and also she was so fucking perfect for that part like no one else could have had band on audition she flipped around i'm like and i think i'm in love with you you're like i love you and then america was like i love you too yeah yeah yeah did you always know you were going in for nate yeah always for nate yeah i think they they switched around some of the roles kind of like the play I remember going into reading with Blake and a few other guys they were trying to fit the pen to the Dan role so yeah I think it's just so fascinating because I've heard some people go in for someone and they get switched but like when I think of Nate your character like had a very different upbringing than like what you were used to like when you first started filming could you relate to anything about this person no like no no absolutely nothing I had no idea.

23:29I didn't really know any Northeastern people. I had no idea. The whole thing, it was all new to me. Did you have an accent? I had a subtle, I kind of lost it in California when I went to college for like four years. But I get drunk, I have a little accent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I did think about that, though. I'm like, what is that New York thing? What is that preppy thing? Right. Because you went to Pepperdine for one year? I did, yeah, for about a year and a half. Yeah, exactly. Did your family think you were losing your mind that you dropped out? Kind of. I mean, I kind of freaked out. I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life.

24:01I kind of had a freak out moment and just they were supportive. I graduated high school a bit younger. I was like 17. So they were like, take a year off, like do whatever. And of course, I found this acting class. I'm like, I want to be an actor. So, you know, but they they were somehow supportive. They shockingly because I didn't think they would be right. My dad being a doctor and whatnot. So I was going to say because I remember Pepperdine when I was picking schools. I remember looking it up because I was like so fascinated with California. and I look up Pepperdine. I'm like, this looks like the most magical place on earth.

24:30And then I was reading and my mom was like, sweetie, you can't drink if you go to the school. Why am I bringing that up to you? I don't know. Didn't know that, by the way, until I got there. I didn't know how strict it was. We got there. I'm like, guess I'm joining a fraternity, which I didn't necessarily want to do. But yeah, that is like notoriously one of the strictest schools. Like you can't drink. You can't have co-ed. Past like 11 o 'clock p.m. You can't have a girl in your room. Vice versa. did you do anything that like broke the rules your freshman year oh yeah we did yeah quite a bit somehow yeah we could have gotten a lot of trouble actually i think we like skin dipped in like the president's like pool or something crazy while he was not there like something crazy yeah yeah yeah yeah so you had a good time story i love it we had a good time yeah yeah they're not gonna invite you back no that was a one-time thing but it was like we kind of like found like i met some really actually three of my best friends they end up all being from Texas and they were like from Austin and one was from like Amarillo, Texas.

25:22And somehow we became like instant good friends. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, it's so fascinating to think about you in college doing one year and then dropping out and going to gossip girl. Do you think that like anyone in your hometown was surprised to see that success or was everyone like, Oh, guaranteed they were so everyone was probably super left field surprised. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They had no clue you'd be doing that. No, I never wanted to be an actor. And I also wasn't that guy. I wasn't like Johnny, like, you know, heartthrob on the TV show. I just wasn't. I mean, I was a late bloomer.

25:56By the time I was 21, I kind of started to come more into my own, right? Have, you know, real confidence. Confidence. Did you have, like, random people reach out? I feel like all those people start kind of, like, crawling. No, it does happen. Yeah. I mean, you probably speak to that. Like, yeah, it's weird. Like, certain things happen. People act weird around that kind of stuff. You're like, wait a second. We did go to high school together and you never talked to me. Why are you texting me? Yeah. How do you actually have my number? Yeah, there was that a little bit, actually. Isn't that weird?

26:25Yeah, it was weird. It was weird. Yeah. When did it get like really big? After season one, it kind of just popped, right? I remember the fall of 2007, like right when it started airing, it became big. Insane. Like right away. Yeah, it was really insane. Do you have a moment that you remember that you were like, oh my God, my life has like forever changed? oh i don't really i guess there wasn't that one moment there was me and me and ed westwick who played uh chuck on the show yes you know he was like 18 year old kid from like outside of london he thought he was like pete pete doherty right love obsessed and we i'm from texas like i was just in college i don't know how expensive new york is it was insane i'm like my dad had to like give us the just like security deposit in first month's and last month's rent until we got our first paycheck it was like hilarious so i'm like ed you want to like room together like this is crazy like this rents i'm looking at this is he's like oh yeah sure man you know he had no idea and i and we had and like first summer we like moving in july like probably just turned 21 or 22 and we were like the summer series in central park i don't know if you remember any of that but they had like big concerts out there and it was like the black keys arctic monkeys i might be dating myself but it was awesome it's awesome sun's out beers and the show hadn't even come out we'd shot the pilot we would just move there and we're having a blast just him and i just exploring the city and these girls did come up to us and it was kind of freaked us out a little bit because we didn't know and he kind of looked at me he's like i think we're fucked mate he's like show hasn't even come out yet man he's like this whole thing and uh that was that that moment is pretty crystallized in my mind because it was all like the black keys are playing it was just like you're just being like normal dudes like sitting chilling and then it's like hello that was the very first time i think anyone ever asked for any type of picture so that was that i do remember that as being like a defining like oh interesting that's a weird feeling as it like really started to pop off like how did you initially handle that like fame and attention not well actually not well it kind of made me paranoid to be honest like slightly i don't want to say it was like this terrible thing it was no but it was fun it was fun but like you said people come out of the woodwork like think people start acting weird around fame and you start realizing all these things that you can only realize from that sea yeah um but I mean I don't want to act like it was this thing it was we had a blast for me it was all about having fun like I had so much fun but it was um you just are always kind of like you can't like you kind of aren't present all the time like you kind of just kind of like unwary about people or phones like a little bit like not you know I think that's okay to say like and I get what you're saying like that doesn't mean you're not so grateful for everything that came right but it's like a very odd experience as a human being to be like oh all those people are staring at me right now and watching me and they know who i am and i have no idea who these people are they think they know you right like you're like i'm not nate archibald as much as you want me to be i am not my name is chase i'm from texas yeah yeah yeah and new york's interesting because it's like all you get all this influx of people and tourists and you're not only you're you're that character in that city so it's like mickey mouse in disneyland they all want to see like take a photo with like mickey so you feel like they just come up and hug you and it's like you're in this costume wait that's so weird can we talk about that for a minute because i didn't even think about that most shows that are like even movies if they're like set in new york spoiler they're not fucking shot in new york most of them are shot in canada toronto toronto yes and you guys actually were living, breathing, filming, shooting in New York City.

29:58The show was set in New York City. So like you're walking them to get breakfast and you're not working, but you're like walking wherever you're walking and someone sees you like were people calling you Nate on the street all the time. That was it. That was it was always the character's name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was crazy and also fun. But like it was it blurs the lines a lot, you know, and it was just weird. It was like a really like if we were shooting exactly in Toronto, it's a different thing. But people are visiting New York and it was its own character in the show you know and people are like you know fans of the show and when they see you actually in that environment it's like this whole like their mind is blown you know so it was a doubly interesting thing and it's also weird to be in New York City as you like I think it's interesting because I just asked you at the beginning of this like oh could you relate to anything you're from Texas this character and you're like no and then all of a sudden you went from not being able to relate to anything about this character to like you almost were becoming a part of this character was getting meta yeah it was right like that yeah yeah you're like i live in new york city i am getting paparazzi people want to know who i'm dating and so i started off being like i can't relate to this fucking kid at all and now it's like yeah yeah and i think it was like like perez hilton or whatever the gossip girly thing was at that time was really i always thought it was like funny stuff but it was the same thing happening you know what i mean and and i thought i wouldn't even like new york i visited in like high school And of course we went to all the touristy awful spots.

31:22And I was there for a month. I'm like, Oh God, I love this place. I love this place. But that's the thing about New York. Don't you feel like when you visit New York, it's so overwhelming. You get sent to the touristy spots where you're like, Times Square. And it's like all the places that if you live there, you would never go. Then when you live there, you like find the pockets and you're like, this is the best place. This is the best place ever. Yeah. We kind of had the keys to the city and it's like your twenties in New York, as you know, it's just, there's nothing better. so it was like it was so great so you're friends with ed you guys live together like i'm obsessed that you guys were roommates i didn't know that until i was like doing research for this where i'm like i didn't know you guys fucking live together that's epic um what was ed's best and worst quality as a roommate oh god

32:20what was ed's best and worst quality as a roommate oh god he had a lot of bad ones let me tell you that much uh we lived in this apartment i think it was like a they call like a junior one where there was like the like a real bedroom right and then there was like an office you could put in a closed wall and i was like we'll just switch like and i'll pay a little bit more of course we never switch and i'm glad we did because ed's room was like you know it was like a lunch pail with like overflowing cigarettes and like i mean you thought like the joker lived there it was insane i'm not even kidding i shouldn't be calling him out like this but i love it i love it but he's 8 19 i'm 21 like you know and and uh he was just messy i'm a little oc i mean i'm not oc i'm like a little bit on that side of like i need things put in the right place and stuff so oh so him he's literally like an ashtray walking around you're like clean up clean up clean up like shoving the stuff in his room shoving the door and like and then it was like and he's you know at the time like ripping cigs i was like stop that you know so that was probably i didn't like this thing but we had an absolute blast in that place we had like a roof dot roof deck yeah we have to go down the elevator and to the thing but no one was ever up there on like 26th and 10th or 11th and and uh what is that like it was just like it's not midtown built chelsea i guess technically yeah yeah yeah but it was kind of close to the water had like this amazing view on this roof deck and we just called it roof deck and he would like invite a bunch of people we bring a bose speaker and some like you you know, big bottle of vodka, whatever, and just like have like a party up there all the time.

33:51Okay. First of all, to think about the two of you throwing a party on your roof deck. Yeah. What was the difference between Chase and Ed's parties versus Nate and Chuck's parties? Not much except the money involved. We didn't put much money behind ours. We weren't making quite that. You know, I know I ended up being like the president of the world at the end of the show, but it was ridiculous, and he was owning hotel chains. But his was very much skewed more like British underground rock scene, and I had the beers going. But they did turn out to be pretty fun, kind of well-known parties. People would show up from all over the place, all over the city, I mean.

34:35Is it true that you lived in the same building as the Chainsmokers? Oh, it's a great story, yeah. No, next door, actually, Jessica Zorro. I love the desk. She's getting married in August, and I can't wait to see her. She played Vanessa on the show. and we'd all hang out and then she'd be like, guys. And she lived in 555. We were like 535. So she was literally, we were next door. And she'd always be like, my roommate, this guy down the hall, Alex plays like - What is this accent you're doing? I'm trying to do a Wisconsin accent. It's terrible. It's terrible. Wait, is she the one you have the dog with?

35:08She's from Wisconsin. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh my God, I was like, this is too full circle. No, no, we've all been like great friends. This is your Wisconsin? Do that again? No, she's like from Wisconsin. It's terrible. I can't do it. Wisconsin. Do it. Do it. She's like, guys, my friend Alex is playing. Oh, my God. He's like a DJ. And then it's terrible. She's literally going to call you and be like, why did you act like I speak like that on that show? I love her too. I'm obsessed. But she'd be like, yo. And it was like 3 in the morning. I mean, you know, New York goes very late. So we'd be out.

35:41She'd be like, come back over. Like, we're going to go to Alex's house. Our apartment. It's only a house. It was like a little tiny apartment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was Alex from Chainsmokers. And he just liked playing. He's the best. I still see him out and about. And we would just sit there and rip and just chop it up talking. And he's DJing, playing music. And yeah. What a small world. That's crazy to think that you guys as young guys, because they weren't even formed yet, were they? No, they weren't. They weren't. Because he hadn't met Drew yet. Exactly. He hadn't met Drew yet. That's right.

36:12So I think there was someone else involved. but he had met Drew and our mutual friend with Jessica was this guy Will Malnati he's still my best friend I met him through her but he worked in nightclubs kind of or hospitality so Alex was like hey can you get me into these places and he did Will like hooked him up and got him into these nightclubs to DJ and stuff like that they're the best they're so fun I had them on and I was like that was that's right you did have them on yes I won't ask if you and Ed have had a threesome together but I did ask them that what'd they say what was their answer absolutely they literally go uh which which one and we were like I was like what and they're like which time and I was like I don't know I don't know tell me about them all and Alex at the time was like stop Drew and Drew was like okay so the first time I'm like oh my god okay this is quite fun yeah um who would you guys invite to these parties because at the time were you like hanging out with industry people were you meeting like chicks at like NYU um sometimes yeah like so I I don't know exactly who would we bring up there we'd bring good friends but then sometimes they'd get really out of hand and it'd be like you know like it'd be insane i remember one time i went this is very like a 2000 early 2000 story but like we would have you know it got a lot of hand but that but the doorman loved us and they would like kind of let us do anything they would just say like do this or that don't do that uh and so he called i think a doorman called me he's like yo there's you gotta come down there's some commotion going on down here and I'm like what's going on and I go down the elevator and you could see you could see like all the way down and there was just floor-to-ceiling windows at the front of the building right and I look and it was like Lindsay Lohan and Sam Ronson they were dating at the time it's very 2000 we're like walking down and there was just a wall of photographers in the window I was like whoa we made it did they ever come up of course they came up and it was great and I think we had met before kind of and they're amazing like Sam's great and I haven't seen them in ages but like they came up and it was like a very early 2000s like okay we needed chase yeah these are stories i haven't ever told and then and then and then uh we like you know raged up there it was did paris ever come to a party she did not but i saw i saw paris recently actually and i i did at this like fancy you know some oscar thing and and uh she said hey i went up to her said hey and we were i'm like you know i'm like you remember the first time you ever met we ever met right and she was like i think she said i think so and i was like i was in college i hadn't done anything yet acting wise but i was living i just moved to la my sister was in town with a buddy and we were at like teddy's that nightclub back in the day which was like the best and i was like we and like you were so nice to us you hung out with us and invited us to your birthday party and we all went and it was amazing and she was like no way i'm like yes she's literally like i don't remember this at all she doesn't remember any of it she i think she I did she's amazing and so I always we always say what's up when I see her but that was like my other you know early 2000s story I'm obsessed because you Paris is like the nicest fucking human the nicest when you meet her you're like oh my god you're even better in person like she's lovely but I love how like for Paris like that probably meant like nothing at the time to her she's like got Leo at her parties and she's got everyone and she's like oh my god and meanwhile you're like my life is made yeah my sister was in like college I was like barely out of college Are you fucking kidding me?

39:33She invites us for her birthday, but she's being so nice. I'm like, yeah, we'll go. It was great. At her house, it was a blast. It was really, really cool. That is fucking epic. 2005 or 2006, probably. Who knows? Did any of your rooftop parties ever get shut down? They never did, actually. What? They never did. There was no one really, like, the noise didn't travel because it was so... That's you having it in with, like, the doorman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no one ever used it either. Like, it was really wild. I don't know how we got... To have a rooftop and to have a one junior suite thing that's like a one bedroom, that's pretty insane.

40:08That's a great little gig. It's a great deal for me. I got the main room. Sorry, Ed. Okay, what would he say your worst quality as a roommate is? Oh, I don't know what he would say. What would he say my worst quality would be?

40:26Probably falling asleep so easily when he was trying to tell a story. and we'd be watching like just like cds of entourage just playing and he's like look at that i'd be like passed out but like i don't know what my worst quality was i was a great i'm a great roommate i'll never have another roommate so help me god i need to have ed on now and he watch him be like come with a list yeah yeah number one no it seems like if you're the one that's like cleaner like you're maybe he'd be like he was annoying as shit he was constantly cleaning my shit like leave my shit alone yeah when i when i had to like move out i think he was like heart broken i think he was a little bit mad at me he built and made after like two years i'm like all all right, buddy, like I need my own, we're successful with the show's going.

41:02We got to like just, you know, I love to do that. We have our own place. And he stayed in that place and like knocked the wall down and like made it his own. He did? Yeah, with like an ax. He like knocked his little wall down. It was very dramatic. Yeah. Wait, were you like, are you insane that you're staying? Uh, a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, actually. Yeah. Like, bro, we got the paycheck. We got the thing. Yeah. It was like two, two years. We had two good years, right? Look, let's go. Okay. hey, have you ever hooking up with a co-star? Oh, God. It's just such a night. You just did it so, you know.

41:36And then you go for the water so casually, acting like I'm going to forget what I just asked, hoping I'll go on to a next question. Yeah, yeah. Listen, I would say those things are inevitable. You know, when you're in your 20s, like, or whatever. It could be for anything, like workplace. But, you know, the thing is you're on these things. It's not like people would probably think it's like these sexy scenes or whatever. That's like the worst part of it. It's like 60 people watching. It's like the downtime. You're doing this show. You're on set for like 12, 14 hours a day. And usually there's some pretty interesting people from all walks of life.