Grace Van Patten: Tell Me Lies & Toxic Relationships

0:02What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Grace Van Patten, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much. I am so happy to finally meet you. Me too. Like, it's been a long time coming. This is very exciting. How are you doing today? I'm great. I'm so excited, too. I said when I walked in, I've, like, seen this chair, this iconic chair so many times. You're here. And I'm here. Wait, so you live in L.A.? Yeah, recently. I moved here, like, two and a half years ago-ish. And you're from New York. From New York. How are you liking it? I love it. It took me a while and I told myself I would never do it.

0:45Me too. But I also know I love New York so much and that's my home. And I know for a fact I'm going to end up back there. So I figured like if I don't do it now, I'll never live in another place. It's a good point. It's a really hard transition, though, because I used to live in New York. Oh, really? Oh, my God. I got here and I was like, where is everyone? Because you think it's like, hello. yeah everybody everyone drives everywhere no one's like popping into bars and restaurants around here you're just like hello yeah and i moved here with my best friend years ago and we were both like thinking we were gonna have the time of our life it's like early 20s and then we were like wait where is everyone but then you eventually find your place to it it's also like i tried out so many different neighborhoods and i'm my happiest where i can walk and like get a coffee if i can walk and get a coffee, I'm fine.

1:33Wait, do you live alone? Yeah. And do you have any animals? No, but I want them so bad. It's a big decision I'm making right now. But I think you're always traveling now. I know. Yeah. So having an animal would be tricky. Maybe like a fish. Oh, wait, no. That would die. You just travel with like a bag. No, I was thinking, what could you leave at home? And I'm like, a fish. But no, I think you would also kill the fish. Okay. Maybe like if i had a koi fish in like a pond i don't have a pond very sexy but very sexy yeah um okay we're gonna play a game okay first and worse i'm gonna give you a scenario and you just tell me a story that comes to mind okay okay growing up what was the worst trouble you ever got into with your parents i was actually just speaking to a friend about this i i got into trouble frequently.

2:23Okay. Because I would get caught doing a lot of things, my mom had my location for a while. And I thought I found a loophole by leaving my phone at my friend's house and just saying I'm in for the night. And I think when my mom caught on to that, it was get reprimanded for sure. Grace, that is like, it's brilliant. And it's something I used to do as well. Really? And my one friend, Anna, shout out if you're watching this, we were always going to her house because her whole family was like chill. They didn't really care what we did. And I'm like, I'm going to Anna's. What could happen, mom? And she's like, uh-huh.

3:01Leave the phone in the mailbox. Why the mailbox? Why the mailbox? You know, I don't know. In case we had to go to a quick pit stop and I would like check my phone so I didn't have to go. All good. Yeah. And it worked every time until finally my mom was like, I know you're not just sitting there all night. And then it was like, but at least we tried. We tried. and it worked for a while okay wait but were you going to like clubs when you were younger no i wasn't i mean i definitely did at a young age but that was never i never enjoyed that you never went to one oak of course i've i've been to phd rooftop i can't though it freaked me out even then and i and it still freaks me out like clubs freak freak me out they're very over the top i don't i don't I used to.

3:48I didn't have a phase. You had a phase. Oh, I was like that girl. You were. I worked at the club, literally, and also figuratively. But then I just. Yeah. Oh, yep. Socks in my tits to push them up, like looking like, oh, my God, I have triple Ds. Literally would remove them. That's what I didn't tell me last. Did you really? No, not socks. But you. I'm like, help, help. Shoved. Shoving them up with anything. Whatever I can fit in there. Okay. Who was your first celebrity crush? Oh. um steve-o from jackass wait who are you i had a weird i don't know i get something about snapping turtle just nipping at his nipples i guess got me honestly that show do you get it at all without a doubt okay but i could see no because what was it recently on an episode of love island then everyone was doing it where this girl was like okay wait who is your like okay wait but hear me out who you would like hook up with but it's like okay wait hear me out but you wouldn't want to but like you know people would be like so fucking judgy it's like a hot take yes mine used to be like i thought johnny depp specifically as captain jack sparrow with like the eyeliner that's a good one and i but i was like why am i so attracted to that i get it talent talent steve-o something about like a daredevil like i don't know adventure okay love it um okay Wait, what's a time you made a horrible first impression?

5:16Oh, God, probably so many times. I do remember one of my first movies, Dustin Hoffman was playing my grandpa. And the first time I met him, I thought it would be cute to be like, hey, grandpa. And I saw his face kind of drop. And I was in I like my face turned red. I was so embarrassed. and from that I realized you know do not call any actor old he's like he's like honestly fuck off you're like well I thought it was for the yeah he's like you called me old I was like I was mortified it's the worst when you have something ready in your head I planned it and then it comes out and you see not only didn't it land it actually just pissed the person off and you're like swing and a miss and I was read I was like going in there like I'm just gonna make everyone laugh no one left actual anger anger okay grace um last one who was what was the first time you were ever recognized in public probably um before i started acting for my work in divergent as shailene woodley that's probably the first times i got recognized was as shailene woodley that's actually amazing rewind so so many people in your life have come up to you and been like shaylene yeah especially like when i was in high school and she was in the divergence and and also that movie with george clooney uh oh yes the descendants i think yes yes yes and we had very similar like hair at the time and that happened a lot have you ever met her yes i met her once and I think I said something but I always get so nervous in those moments did you feel like when you met her you both were like you see the resemblance double yeah is it annoying when people say that though no right I think when you're compared to each other where you're like we're both also she's so beautiful and so talented I'm like yeah it's actually so true when people are like compared to people that you're probably like wait guys that's not funny don't compare me right wait you right wait do we actually look and then you don't want to act offended right right right no shailene's gorgeous yeah i'm like i will take it that's fair um okay let's talk about your family okay you have two sisters right yes how would you describe your relationship with them they're my best friends and you're the oldest i'm the oldest and then i have a middle sister only two years younger than me and then i have a 14 year old sister so 15 years apart yeah yeah what is that like which was wild at first my mom was 45 and she was like i'm pregnant and i was like what does that mean right i was 15 i'm like you guys have sex that's disgusting now i'm like good for you i couldn't fathom what life would be like like i've lived 15 years as like we're like a little family unit and what is what is i couldn't comprehend what that would be like and then she was born and it's like the best thing that could have happened to our family it's like kept us all young i do feel like i've seen that where like if someone has like a lot of younger sibling it kind of gives a fresh new energy that keeps you guys like more like okay we're still young we're not all out of the house there's reason to come home she's in high school now or whatever and you're like that's fun it's so fun is she watching you though in like she's not watching tell me lies i told her not to okay but she'll she's always sending me like like tiktok edits of myself and i and i'm like june i love you i'm not i'm not gonna watch this but she like every time i see her she's like look at you look at look at this thing and i'm like she's like there's like she's excited that's really cute though that she's like they're shipping you online and you're like stop showing me the fan edit yeah but at least she gets to see something yes um your dad is a well-known director what was it like growing up on these type of sets like that's obviously a very unique experience and now you're being in the industry but before you were fully in the industry tell me about what that was like growing up like that it was amazing i mean And like, I was always so curious about what my dad was doing.

9:45And then being able to watch through a couple different jobs that he's done and how they were all different. But like, being surrounded by so many different types of people at a young age was really interesting. And watching all of these amazing actors do what they do. And like, I was just so in awe of that you could play dress up as a as a job like that's how I saw that's how I still see it like it's just a very fun thing when you're doing it the rest of it is can be scary and unpredictable and inconsistent but when you're actually doing it it's so so much fun like that's that's it that's really cool because I feel like there I grew up and my dad was more in like the sports television world but I always like a credit like there was something about growing up that watching my dad get up every day and go and do something he was so passionate about like he loved it I feel like all of my siblings then and I either went into like entrepreneurship or the creative because I didn't understand what it would be like to not be so immersed and love it so much and like go for your passion which is such a privilege but it's so cool to watch and so it's been I think innately in me that I was like I have to wake up every day and love what I do because both of my parents did that which it feels like you kind of were like watching your father being like this is so incredible I want to immerse myself also in that world 100 that is like the main thing I took from it and he's never he's like only ever done jobs that he's so passionate about and I really try to do that you got your first acting job on the sopranos when you were eight yeah like walking in on that set day and that whole experience what do you remember about it I remember like the most vivid memory was the audition like that is engraved in my brain it will be forever because I have never been so nervous for something because my I was telling my parents like I want to be an actor I want to do that but I was eight and they were like okay and I kept bugging bugging them about it until my dad was like all right you can you can audition you can try and audition and I remember to this day like every step of like walking to the elevator of Steiner Studios and like signing my name they just like left me they're like go and I like signed my name and the the guest book whatever it is and I'm like waiting in the chairs with all these other like girls with their parents and they call my name in and um it's a bunch of like producers and my dad's like in the back and like with like with his legs crossed so they really wanted me to feel how it would feel like if he was not involved which i appreciate now but i remember doing that audition and just feeling so so scared and so nervous and then obviously did not I didn't consistently act um in between when I actually started acting there was like a I just went to school and didn't continue to audition and didn't do any of that so you went to a performing arts high school though yes talk to me about how this was different than like a traditional high school um it was it was insane like I can't imagine going to a normal high school it was like it was all of these very creative like quirky kids like literally singing and dancing on tables and in the hallway like people on vocal rest like writing on whiteboards and young kids that were very serious already about their art.

13:46And of course, there was variety. There were kids who didn't want to be there. And I was kind of like in the middle. I loved acting, but I didn't know if I wanted to do it as a career yet. It was just like a hobby. But it, yeah, it was a wild experience. I heard that you and Timothee Chalamet went to the same school. Yes. Yeah. he was a great above me did you ever get to watch his infamous talent show performances every year front and center i witnessed i witnessed the great act it was in it was incredible it like it's just as um amazing as it probably is watching the the footage isn't there is footage of it there's footage okay so the world gets to experience yeah there's footage but if people don't know what we're talking about can you lightly describe like what his performance he had like a rapper alter ego named tiny tim or something that's it and he would we had these um yearly talent shows which is like it was it was called rising stars and this talent show was like american idol it was like all of the most insanely talented kids doing like either rapping or singing or doing crazy like contemporary dance or playing a flute like you name it it was insane like I would still go to it because it was just the most talented kids and you did you ever partake in I never no I didn't get asked Timmy

15:36okay tell me lies yes tell me the first time you read the script initial vibe what did you think i loved it it got me so excited i was like because it was my dream to do like a toxic fucked up relationship thing. Why? Because I just love those movies. They're like my favorite movies. I don't know why. I do too. It's okay. I mean, I loved Steve-O. I clearly liked just some toxic energy. There's a through line here. There's some through line. But I loved watching those movies. They're like my favorite actors who have been in movies like that. So it was just something that I wanted to be a part of.

16:18And I thought it was so cool that it was a TV show and also about young people in a toxic relationship and um i only read the pilot when i first read it so i had no idea i just had no idea what it was gonna become in terms of chaotic that's actually crazy to read the pilot and you were like oh this is gonna be really this is tame and then to find out yeah because lucy in the pilot is like a completely different person i thought i was like signing up to be like a preppy, like kind of closed off, like going to college, maybe going to reinvent herself meets a guy. It sucks. But like, she is a full spiral out, like manic journey that I did not know.

17:11If you had to say, because I know as an actor, like I'm sure you're trying to find some ins, like is there anything you relate to her on? Yeah, for sure. I mean, I definitely related, especially first season when I was filming it, like being young and being really afraid of your feelings and then showing them and being like, oh, this is why I was afraid of them. Like, I think you meet Lucy in season one and she's very like has a guard up. And then this guy just like slowly chips away at it. And then she's like, gates are open and she can't reel it back now. and I've totally had that. Have you been in situations where you feel like you've maybe not been as like vulnerable in your life and then you're saying when you've been, you're like, oh, that just bit me in the ass kind of.

18:04Yes. And then coming out the other side of it being like vulnerability is the most powerful thing you could ever have in any relationship or friendship. Okay. I know you said in the past, you hope you're not like Lucy, which like I agree with, but also we love her because she's entertaining. We love her. Heading into season three. Yeah. What is the biggest difference, would you say, between you and Lucy now? Probably not, like, learning her lesson. I feel like I'm pretty good at, like, knowing I've made mistakes and then stopping. And she's a little relentless with that. Oh, she's relentless. Okay, we're going to do some rapid fire of Tell Me Lies.

18:46Okay. Which character would you want to be friends with in real life? Oh, probably Wrigley. Probably Wrigley. Like actually the sweetest. Sweetie boy. Yeah. Okay, what item of clothing would you steal from Lucy's closet? Well, I just did steal some when we wrapped. Really? Oh, yeah. I stole like the iconic true religions. That like I cannot find in real life. Anywhere. That like look good or fit. But for some reason, the Lucy jeans that Charlotte, who's the costume designer, found. Charlotte. I was like, can I please? Charlotte will help you. She's a genius at finding it. Dude, I need to find Charlotte.

19:26You're like, get me those jeans. The low rise jeans that she has found for you. It's crazy. She really found them. Oh, I would steal it too. Yeah. Okay. Which character frustrates you the most? Lucy. Lucy. What's been Lucy's most cringeworthy moment? Oh. it's a lot to choose from or like i think anytime lucy thinks she's being subtle about something is the most cringy it's a good point like when she's like i think it was season one when she tells steven that she's not going to india because like some reason but it's so obvious that she's staying in town to like be with him and he like shuts her down it's like the modern day version of back in the day when with uh the hills when like lauren was the girl that didn't go to paris because she stayed to go with her boyfriend yeah yeah and that was you and like you're like you're not going to india babe because of steven i know it's not because it's really obvious okay mine was though the underwear moment in season two oh my god of course of course i was like screaming at my television when you are like hooking up with both of them in the same day and you're wearing the same fucking underwear same oh i was like no disgusting disgusting but honestly genius writing i know so good so good oh that was gnarly um okay what is one piece of dating advice you would really like to give lucy if you were her friend honestly i feel like i would tell her well like there's the obvious ones of like get the fuck away from him yeah but people don't listen to that people need to figure that out for themselves so i would tell her to try and like mend her relationship with her mom because she's had zero parental guidance this whole time she has like a shitty relationship with her mom but and i feel like if she had some sort of motherly figure like just tell her because like it was so helpful when my mom like when when you're caught up in something when you're young and your mom just tells you like reminds you how unimportant this is in the grand scheme of your life and how helpful that is to hear from like just an older wiser person it's so true i feel like there's been so many moments watching the show that i'm like Like, oh, my God, if only she could go to her mom and feel like she could actually tell her what's going on.

22:01Her mom as an adult could be like, babe. But because she lacks that, there's kind of nowhere to go. And obviously when you are in college, I experienced it. Like, we're all a shit show at that point in our lives. So your friends can only give you so much advice. But at the same time, you're probably doing a similar. Everyone's doing a similar. The same kind of shit, kind of. And so it's like you need someone that's actually been through life to be like walk away. Yes. Trust me. Walk away or like everything will be okay. Like somebody just to tell her that. Like you're good. Fuck, marry, kill. Max, Leo, Evan.

22:40Oh my God. Poor Max. That's so poor Max. He's been right in front of her the whole time. and she's just like looking past him. She is not. Oh, poor Max. Mary Max, obviously.

23:04Probably kill Evan. Bye, Evan. I love you. Sorry, Evan. It's okay. Sorry, Evan. Yeah. That's so funny. Okay. What is, in your opinion, the most fucked up thing Lucy or Stephen have done to each other? I mean, Stephen walking out of the Hawaiian party with Diana hand in hand, leaving Lucy in a coconut bra was pretty. Has your sister showed you those edits on TikTok? I don't think so. They're everywhere. They still live to this day, even though we're going on season three. That scene. What was your reaction when you read that scene? Because like you said, you only read the... Jaw on the floor. Jaw on the floor.

23:45jaw on the floor there's a really funny thing that happened because robin wright was directing that episode the amazing robin wright and she really approached her directing style because she's an actor like she she knew how to talk to actors and she knew that jackson and i were dating and was like was like basically just tried to get me to to believe that this was real life and like she's like just think what if Jackson did do this what if he walked out and said on the way out I I never loved you I don't even think you're pretty and I was like and in the moment I was like oh god that's that'd be really awful it'd be really bad and I I like just tried to to go there but really with that moment it was like pure shock I thought like the less of a reaction the more impactful it would be because it's like you you don't even know what's going on like everything's in slow motion it's a good point you there's actually there is no reaction there's no reaction you're gonna probably process it later exactly but in the moment you're like dissociating yeah you're like yeah i i imagined it in slow motion because it's like and i think that's what they did they did it they slowed it because it's like you can't even i remember watching the first season And I think something that I really appreciated about it is it's such an accurate portrayal of what a toxic relationship is.

25:14And I think that's why so many people really gravitate towards it, because I haven't seen something like this done in cinema because you kind of are watching it and you're like, it's such a slow, sneaky burn at first. Yeah. For you in your life. Like, what is the hardest? I know you've said you've never been in a toxic relationship. like what's the hardest lesson you've had to learn in dating? I mean I feel like like to go back to what we were talking about before with like vulnerability like before I learned that I feel like it was so hard because I wasn't communicating and they didn't know how I felt so it was just like would become a mess because because I didn't know how to how to talk about my feelings.

25:59Yeah, I know. I think you said somewhere like you had never been in a toxic situation, but you've been in immature relationships. Yeah, of course. Which is all of us. And when you start dating people, and it's cute because we think we're so mature when we get into relationships. Totally. When we're in our teens or 20s or whatever it be. And you're like, I'm literally an adult. Mom, don't tell me what to do. Imal, you actually have no idea what you're doing. idea. You have no idea what you're doing. No. What did some of those like more immature things look like for you just like in life of dating?

26:34I feel like just lack of communication. Jealousy is probably like a big immature relationship thing, I feel like, which is, you know, normal throughout even non-toxic relationships. It's very natural. But like that intensity of of jealousy that felt like death or something you know it's like all encompassing yeah there's always the fear too of like even when you know something should be coming to an end like the fear of like what is life after that like that's always a scary thought even even if you know what you have to do even if it is immature even if it is toxic it's like that fear. Lucy's friends are obviously always telling her to leave Steven, but she never wants to listen, obviously.

27:24Have you ever been in a tough situation with a friend where you know you need to have a conversation with them about who they're seeing, whether it's because it's deteriorating their mental health or you found out they were cheated on or whatever it be? And like, have you had that? Yeah, for sure. How do you even approach those moments? Because some people are like, I'm not getting involved. Some people get involved. Yeah, it depends on the friend. I mean, especially when something is so overt, like cheating. If somebody cheated on my friend, like I feel no problem being like, don't settle for that.

28:00But it's also hard. It's like because you want to support your friends. And a lot of them, a lot of people are in this vicious cycle of relationships. and it's like even if they know it's not good for them it's just it's hard to break the set that's the hardest part and it's hard being a friend because you're like on one hand i feel like it's my duty as a friend to be like girl yeah but then i also know you you can kind of like suss out when your friend's not ready to hear it yes so you're kind of like you kind of have to gauge it and then you're like are we gonna get in a fight right because i'm technically it would be overstepping and some people would be like no you have to tell them but it's like you know sometimes if you found out some shit you're like i actually could tell her but she's not in her right mind right she's just gonna get pissed at me yeah so you almost have to kind of just like be there for a friend yeah and kind of like we said with the themes of the show of like if you go at them and you judge them then they're gonna alienate themselves and then they won't come to you the next time exactly so sometimes which is really dangerous too it's and like you don't want to like there's been so many situations where that friend does open up and go there with you with like shitting on the guy or breaking up with them and then they get back together and you're like face to face and you have to that's tricky it's so hard and you're like so i think there's like a way to do it in like a tame supportive way yeah it's like because at the end of the day it's not your life exactly your friend's life and so you can be there but you're also like listen to people like advice is a very like ethereal comfort thing it's not like people don't take it literally unless it's like technique bit like unless it's like people rarely take advice i agree unless it's not so personal yes right yes it's almost like if you can get like work-wise if you have something that is tangible that it's like oh this is gonna help you get the raise or this is gonna help you get the job whatever it be people are like oh i'm gonna try it yes but when it involves someone mental personal thing yeah in the moment they could be like that's literally genius yes and then they get home and they're like wait i can't do that yeah like they're gonna be like i'm gonna text him yeah yeah you're like yeah exactly you also can't take it too personal when you're a friend like that i agree where it's like give the advice if it feels right in the moment don't overstep but also expect nothing totally totally

30:46we have kind of an overlapping fun story because we met both of our partners on zoom oh my god i met my husband on zoom a work zoom you met jackson on a zoom yes okay tell me about your first zoom because most people you guys would think it's not so sexy and i remember when i told my story people were like a zoom and i'm like yeah it really went down on a zoom wait i need to hear your story because i bet mine's the opposite of yours okay i got on a zoom and there were multiple people on it okay i was meeting with my husband's production company at the time and he was late i'm on the call and everyone on the call was like fans of Caller Daddy.

31:25So they were like big Caller Daddy fans and they were like mentioning episodes to me and it vibes were great. Yeah. And then Matt got on and he comes in as just like the producer that's like, oh, like, I don't know much about your show. Like, tell me about your show. And I'm like, immediately I'm like, I need his validation. I'm like, why is this so fucked up that I'm like, oh, it's so hot. You don't know why I love this. And then the whole Zoom, I'm like staring at his Zoom box. I'm looking at no one else. You like pinned it? Yeah. I'm staring directly in his eyes. He has no idea. He's like on his phone, busy, not paying attention.

31:57No, but I'm watching him and I'm like, wow, he's like really hot. Like I'm attracted to this guy. And then afterwards he emailed me just being like, are we making this TV show or what? Like, let me know if you're ever in LA. I was like, oh, I'm going to be in LA next week. And then we went and got dinner and the rest was history. Was it instantly romantic vibe? Or did you like kind of weasel your way? I was like, I'm on a date. Okay. He's like, so the show. And then finally, he was the person that actually gave me the advice where he was like, can I be honest? I really don't think you should make this TV show right now.

32:27It feels like this is not the right time in your career. And every other producer had been like, let's make it tomorrow. And just saw like dollar signs. And I was like, wow, that was very attractive that he wasn't just trying to use it. Yeah. Because like it would be a benefit to him. And then I was like, OK, well, if we're not making the show, let's turn this into a date. And he was like, OK. Oh, my God. And then it just so I was like pretty forward because I just felt it. Yeah. And I never usually was like that in relationships. But you knew. OK, what was your Zoom like? I didn't didn't like Jackson.

33:00Stop. No, we talk about this all the time. That's like because I had done a bunch of Zoom chemistry reads because it was still like COVID-y. So it was all on Zoom the first round. So this is for Tell Me Lies. Yes. And you have the job. I have the job. And I'm in the we're in the process of like zooming with with guys and like reading scenes with them. And like Jackson, I had heard like was the favorite. So I'm like excited for his thing. And he gets on and I just I've told him this that I'm like, oh, this is like a this is like a serious actor, like actor-y actor. so I was just like god but he was so good and I was like all right it's fine maybe we won't get along but like he's perfect for the part he's so talented and great and so I was like it was half really excited that like we found the Steven um but the other I was just like kind of rolled my eyes a little bit and then and then we met in person for the next round and he was like it was like a completely different energy and he just told me he was like really nervous for the zoom and and he was just like and now I know him so well and I know that part of him and I'm like oh that's what I was seeing but it really took me to meet him in person to be like this guy's the best so you're about to do a job together yeah but then you start dating before the job we start dating before the job who makes the first move how do you guys decide to even like go on a date we had some mutual friends that like I I was so in the like zone of the show and being so excited about doing it and like finding the guy and just like it was just something I was really excited about so like my brain was very like tell me lies and I kept thinking about him and I couldn't tell if it was like oh i'm so excited that like i couldn't tell yet i couldn't tell if it was like a crush or like a career exciting thing and and then i remember hearing like my friend's boyfriend was working with him on another movie and we decided after they finished that movie like we were all gonna have dinner or something and so and so we all had dinner and it was just like instantly we were it was just we vibed instantly and it was kind of that and that we were both like we both have a crush on each other this is probably like the worst thing that could happen and like we sat on a stoop for i think like six hours and talked about every reason why we should not act on this and then i kissed him you're like so with all that said with all that said come here um yeah so then no one knew you guys were first no no no one knew we were like and we didn't we weren't like let's we need to keep this secret but we were like we don't have to flaunt it we don't have to but we also saw it as like a fun game like how long can we go without people realizing And so how did people find out?

36:23I mean, it was pretty quick. It was just like the cast knew pretty immediately because we would all hang out to like get to know each other. And they're like, why do you guys feel like you guys know each other? And you're like, what? Yeah. What are you talking about? So they knew right away. And then people just caught on. There was never like a moment. We never announced it. But like. OK, love. Yeah. How did you because I think this is something people are always so fascinated with me being like, how the fuck do you work with your husband and like it actually for me I'm always like I know this sounds maybe weird but it's the easiest part of my job because I completely agree I was gonna ask like what conversations did you and Jackson have in going into like we're working together we're seeing each other how are we gonna make this work I actually don't know if we had any like initial conversation I think it was very because it was so early on I think it was very like let's just see how this goes and it just happened very naturally that it just we found our groove in it and we were able to be professional and then also just have the best time together and yeah and i completely agree it's like the best the best part of the job is being able to do it with him what do you think is the most difficult scene that you guys have had to shoot together i mean honestly anytime he's being like a dick which is most the time i'm like you're a little too good at that i'm like can you come here for a second why are you so good at that that's you're really good at that um that's so real i'm wondering like because you know when like you have a dream like i don't know this ever happened to you but sometimes i'll have a dream that like something happened with matt and then i wake up you wake up fully pissed and i'm like wait why am i mad at him yes does that ever happen with you where like he's playing so good that you're like am i mad at you or am i mad at steven but you're steven and you're going home at night together and you're like like you were really mean today yeah it's real no thankfully i can separate steven from jackson but i do have the dream thing 1000 percent where you were if i have dream that he like cheated on me i will i wake up and he cheated on me i'm like i've ruined our life for sure mad's like bring me coffee he's like what do you mean i'm like you oh fuck i know it was a dream but i still am angry he's like why i know it's like such a real do you dream really vividly oh yeah same i think that's why i pick up on my dreams the next night i like to tap back I do the same thing.

39:02It's like a show. And it feels so feels so real beyond my dreams. Yeah. OK, there's a lot of sex in the show, obviously. Yes. Talk to me about how when you kind of knew that this was something that was came with the show. How did you feel about it? Was there any part that was hesitant? Did your did you tell your family? Were they chill? Like, because it's a lot it's a lot i remember like it's not the first time i had been like naked in anything so it wasn't like it didn't feel like this first scary thing it was scary for a million different reasons but um i'm like the most important thing to me when there's like nudity or sex stuff is that it's just necessary to the story and to the character and i felt like this really was like it's such a specific thing being like for lucy sexually awakened for the first time and being obsessed with the guy who like changed her life sexually and like not being able to get that out of her brain like that is a very relatable thing and i couldn't imagine telling that story without sex in it It's like seeing the power dynamics change through it and like getting that false validation from it, getting like so many things.

40:26I feel like it was necessary to tell the story. So in that way, I was like I felt safe doing it. It's a great point. Like I agree. I think there's been shows I think that I've watched. I'm like this feels forced. Yeah. And I agree with you. I think so much of it, again, why it is so relatable, it's like I have experienced that where as a woman you're like trying to navigate like should I sleep with him now? Should I sleep with him when? And like how will that impact the power? And it's just such a mind fuck. And we watch you handle that so well. So I agree with you. um obviously i think there's the natural question that everyone always has of like how does playing this character with your boyfriend and having these sex scenes in a show like is it hot and steamy which i mean i'll let you answer for yourself no it's i think it's like a very common misconception to think that it's hot because it's it could not be less sexy to me for me at least like filming those scenes are the most technical choreographed there's like intimacy coordinator kid coordinators there there's the directors the show run like there's so many people around there's like it it has to be like planned legally so it's like it's be very hard to enjoy yourself in those moments i was thinking about that when i when i was gonna ask you that because i was like knowing that like that's what happens on sets which i get it like for most consumers they don't understand that where it's like there's like sometimes 20 people in a room or five or 50 it depends on like what the shoot is and it's so not about the sex.

42:12It's so about like, can you lift up your right leg more so we can see? Okay, yeah. Can you move your arm a little bit so you can't see your nipple? Like, it's like all that. And then you'll like turn your head and you'll see like a guy holding a boom and you're like, what? This is so weird. This is so weird. And you're so, I mean, for me, I just like completely disassociate in those scenes too. I like feel so out of body. I don't know. I like I don't know what I do in those scenes because I'm like is it easier to do it with Jackson or would it almost be easier to do it just like a randam no it's so much easier because you feel comfortable like so much of the weirdness is not knowing the guy you have to do that with and like it's just it makes it so much safer and comfortable at least what is the most awkward moment that you guys have had on set together me and jackson i don't know if we've had an awkward moment i made him laugh which jackson is like he does not break like you cannot break him when he's in the zone and i made him laugh this season and i will wear it on my chest for like the rest of my life you're like at dinner you're like remember when i made you laugh and i literally i like don't takes so much pride in it that I broke him.

43:32So that was that was great. Can you tell me about this ADR situation that we were talking about before we started filming? So obviously, because of the amount of sex scenes, there's gonna have to be or you explain it. Yeah. So like, normally, after you finish a show or movie, you go in to do ADR, which is like, plugging in sounds that like, maybe the sound got messed up or whatever it is, there's some interference with the sound. And with all these sex scenes, I've had to ADR sex scenes multiple times. And that is the most awkward thing. I think that is worse than shooting the sex scene. Like kissing your hand or like moaning in a booth.

44:16Dude, you are putting us on your back. I'm literally like, can anybody else? No one knows what my kissing sound sounds like. Can somebody else do this? They're like, Grace, get in the booth. Honestly, thank you because it seems so real. but like now hearing you do that I'm never gonna be able to undo that that's amazing it's so what would you say your best quality is as a partner

44:59i think support i think i'm really supportive and like i'm so excited for him about everything and i think um i just it's one of my favorite things to do so like get excited for him and and support whatever he's doing what is his best quality he's a really good listener and like really eases my anxiety on a lot of things he's like a very calm grounded presence and it makes me feel really really like at ease yeah cute um okay we're gonna play a game okay There are obviously a lot of secrets and tell me lies. So today we're going to learn some of yours. Okay. What is a secret obsession of yours that people would be shocked by?

45:57Secret obsession.

46:03This is a new one. I'm obsessed with pajama sets. Like sexy? No. Oh. Like, like, oh. Jackson did. He did a video of me last night because I started getting in this. I don't know if this is like an OCD thing that's begun or like a rich, not like a ritual or superstition. I don't know. I've made this up. But like recently, like the past year, if I have something to do the next day, like a first day of something of work or whatever, or like big day of press or whatever, I feel like I have to wear a pajama set or else it's going to be really bad. Did you put on this pajama set because you knew you were coming on Call Her Daddy?

46:55Wait. After you have to show up. What does it look like? I tried on a new one last night that I've never worn, but I ordered online. And I looked like a 1930s like jester. And so you're just like trying out new PJ sets left and right. I'm trying out not to match. No, literally none of them are sexy. They're either like I can do with like a long nightgown.

47:22Or just like a cozy set, like top and bottom. But last night was really, I had to change. i had to change because i'm like this almost i think this might give me bad luck there was like weird cinching happening that i felt like my arms were getting cut off yeah no um but i'll get the video for you because he's like what he was like did you miss clown school or thinking of you being like okay i'm going on color daddy tomorrow what should i do and you're putting this on he's like you look like an actual clown take it off it's literally like red white no red in like navy stripes with like almost like a bib thing it looked so cute online and i got them for my sisters so now we all have them and i remember actually thinking like when i gave them to them i think they must have worn them and i was like you like your pajamas and i remember like kind of not loving their response and they were like yeah they're cute and now i know why i put them on last night and i was like this is this is actually heinous goodbye goodbye okay see this we needed to know these things um okay what's the worst lie you ever told to get out of plans you know i feel like when i was younger i would like really try and come up with an excuse out of like not wanting to hurt people's feelings but i really take pride in just telling the truth now like i love canceling plans and saying like i'm really tired or like i don't want to leave my house or like like i'm trying to do that as much as possible i actually respect that more than when you get the text it's like okay yeah my grandmother i'm like wait you said she died right well she's back right and and then you go on this long tangent you're like just tell me you don't want to come or you can't come yes yes okay so that's what i'm that's what i try and do what's a childhood secret you never told your parents i actually just let one secret out that i kept i got a tattoo and i mean so long ago and i never told my parents and we were on vacation last summer and i had a couple drinks and i was like guys look and i flipped because i got it in my lip what does it say it says 99 and it's it's for my grandpa it was like a grandpa thing and i was drunk and thought that my mom would love it because it's like for her dad and they were like what what because they thought i've had no tattoos and i let it i let it slip that i do and they freaked out they freaked out but now they think inside your lips you can't see it it's like so you've no other tattoos i have a little i have a little spider here when did you get that i got it with jackson on my birthday like two years ago maybe almost three years ago when is your birthday november 21st are you into your horoscope or no i i'm into it i don't know a lot about it but i'm down for it scorpio scorpio uh oh see that's the face i always get well i dated i think a scorpio man and i don't know any scorpio men what are they like uh scary what is jackson pisces oh that's good yeah yeah scorpio men um they'll fuck you up mental mental games uh-huh scary yeah scary but you know i think women are great a lot of my friends are scorpio so i love okay good so you're totally good i'm in okay okay let's talk about the twisted tale of manda knox let's do it i will never forget the day interviewed her oh my god yes i know i met her oh my god this was like years ago and it was before i even had video podcasting she came to my house her husband came they brought their child and i met her and i was just like i need to know everything like she just has and she'll tell you i know she'll tell you everything.