Harry Jowsey: My Wedding & Divorce

42:42But I don't want those people around me because God forbid we have a bad day. You won't know how to handle it. Yeah. See, this is why we have to get you away from one word answers. Note to whoever your PR team is. No one word answers for Harry because he's going to give you a ick or a yuck or a gross. And then your actual explanation is exactly what I was looking for. I agree to some people, especially where you're at in life, where you're looking for serious relationships you don't want someone who hasn't been in love before because you're looking for someone who has experienced life a little bit more than maybe their first go around there we go okay am i being difficult are you being difficult yeah yeah but i'm pulling it out of you really am i being hard no you're just it's classic harry where maybe if you were on another show, or hopefully they would push you, you give these answers that keep you in that, oh, hairy jowl, C-Lane.

43:39And I'm like, no, you're smart. You want me to be more. And you're an intellectual. I have glasses. You have glasses on. You've got glasses on for a reason. This is the first time you've ever worn glasses in the Call Her Daddy episode. So start speaking like you wear glasses. Okay, I'm thinking. Okay, next, ready? How do you feel about someone who also wants to be in the spotlight? You know, I think there's a healthy version of it and an unhealthy version of it. If you want to be in the spotlight and do dating shows and whatever else, probably not good for a relationship. So what are you? Sorry.

44:14I don't know what. No, I've already done it. Oh, so now you're done. What if they're midway through their journey? Enjoy. Wait. Okay, let's get into Let's Marry Harry. Have we not been in it? Okay, filming the show. If I told young Harry, women would be so ravenous, so excited for you, that they would literally try to sneak into your bedroom at night. How do you think young Harry would have responded? I probably would have done a backflip. Then in reality, when these women tried to actually sneak into your room, how did it actually feel? It was pretty scary. Okay. Yeah. No, it was pretty scary.

45:01From the back flip to the, I'm terrified. No, it was scary because also my brain is like, if I have sex with someone, it's going to, and word gets out. Okay, first off, there was so much going on in my head. Okay, have sex with someone, come quick, embarrass myself. Was that top of the priority, you think, of Eric? I think so, because then it's on TV and then all the girls are like, you know what, let's self-limit it. Quickie, damn. Damn. Damn. Damn, Harry's a quickie. Hey, you didn't have to say that twice. Let's double down. No, I think that was it. And then also like, oh, it's going to take away from the other girl's experience if we do do that.

45:36And then it's like, oh, I have to be fully 110%. I don't know why I'm jerking my finger off. Fully 110 % on the one person I do have sexual intercourse with. I see. So a lot of at your brain was you were worried just about how to navigate intimacy. Yeah, it was so hard. Let's talk more about the physical connection. Okay. Georgia warned you to think with your heart and your mind and not your other parts. Yeah. If the physical connection wasn't immediately there for you, was it a red flag? No, because I feel like in real life, for sure. But I think because everyone was so committed, well, mostly everyone was committed to that experience.

46:19I think that the physical component like wasn't a really a thing at all because I also didn't know if they were allowed to come up like sure if we're in real life and we're able to get physical probably would have cooked the whole thing so it's nice to kind of slow it down and take a step back on your most like the biggest day how many women did you make out with I think like at least like 10 or 11 yeah there's a daybed moment where they just kept coming and I didn't have to leave. And I was like, this is the best day ever. I feel like kissing that many people that - It was a lot. Yeah, it was a lot, to be honest.

46:54And you know, the first day I got there, I remember, I think it was a group day and I was like, am I able to kiss everyone? And then - And then - And then we unraveled. The floodgates. Yeah, we unraveled. They were like, maybe we should have waited a day. Shit. You were like, I'm allowed to physically hook up with someone? Yeah. Perfect. Yeah, like these are my fiancees, let's go. Okay, one of the biggest moments in the series is as viewers, we saw a walk-in that happened and it caused a lot of drama. You were in the bathroom with Amber and Sam overheard and later confronted you about it. I know that then Amber asked you to keep it a secret of what you guys did in the bathroom.

47:37And you did end up keeping that secret and you lied about it. Talk to me about that decision. See, we got it. You got angry at me about this. Let's talk through it. Okay, because on one hand... Set the scene. If people haven't watched that episode yet, go watch it, but explain it. Yeah, basically, we're getting down to the wire with the final few fiancés. And it's getting quite intense. And at these moments, the girls are finding more and more confidence. They come and just seek me out and just hang out and see me. And I know with Amber in that moment, she was really questioning the whole process and was really like going through it and trying to figure out if I was serious about her and serious about what was happening.

48:20And so she came up to the bedroom and I was like, I know there's one spot where there's no cameras, obviously not good for TV, but great for mental health and to have nice conversations. And so I ran a shower and we just kind of like just started laughing and figured it out. And we ended up getting, you know, getting involved with each other. Yeah. So we ended up having sex. But one of the girls, Sam, had walked up as that was going on and heard us and thought that we were in the shower, which was true. We were just using the shower. Yeah. You were using the shower to drown out the noise. Yeah.

48:58Yeah. Drown out the noise because obviously we were getting intimate. um and then after that because it was kind of like sealed the deal like amber was like okay cool like we're locked in like we're good um that was like a good moment for us it was really special but i didn't know that sam had come up and then also when sam you know obviously she's not stupid and like everyone figured out something was going on because she would because i know the girls they had a like there was a moment where they would all take one of my watches and then time how long people are up so that they knew when to come up and like switch did i tell you this wait no i had like five watches i brought like so many watches and they would come up and they would take a watch it's like okay cool you have 15 minutes because they wanted to they wanted to be fair on each other and like be systematic but then some girls would just be running this like a full tight ship organization they're like yeah literally yeah it was crazy so then anyway yeah after that moment um obviously the girls felt some type of way because they want to confront me about it and me be honest, which I would have loved to.

50:00But if someone asked me to not say something and to do something, I'll have to respect it. And ultimately, it was probably the best decision. Okay. So I remember, guys, I'm in the show for like a second. And I remember we met at the coffee shop and I was torn because obviously I wasn't living in this house with you and I wasn't sitting in the television truck day in and day out. So like I was obviously getting all the reports and I was hearing what was going on. And I think what was hard is like I agree with how you handled that in normal life situation. If you sleep with a woman and she's like, I really don't.

50:39This is not for other people to talk about. This is not for public fodder. Like, please don't. I agree. I think where the line gets really blurred when you decide to do reality television is you're kind of signing up for we're all dating this one person and so there needs to be some form of transparency because if we all start lying then none of us are going to know where we're actually at with this person and and so sam i think was really genuine in that moment for being upset because it's like so you lied about that and i i agree and disagree with amber like i'm like i actually so get it amber it's so on her to be like please don't tell anyone it's like what is the right answer you could argue the right answer would have been I hear what you're saying I think what's difficult is I have many women downstairs who are going to demand an answer and I don't need to give them all the dirty details but I can't just bold face lie and be like oh we did nothing because then exactly it's also it's on camera so I think again and I'm not saying Harry if I was in your situation I may have done the same exact thing because I also think what I respect is like in that moment clearly you and Amber were getting so close and to you that probably both of you probably felt even more bonded by being like let's have something for ourselves yeah and let's not tell people about this and let's not feel like we're on a tv show we just try to do this outside of cameras and everything so I get it but then I also get why Sam was upset do you know what I mean yeah yeah it was a hard one it was a hard one to mentally navigate to and I think even still like having a hard time about it but you're right I haven't thought about it like that because it's also yeah we signed up to just be open and honest and have that communication and I probably should have put my flag in the ground a little bit on that but I think I was just again so nervous to understand do the wrong thing and be the same guy again and again I get that

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55:19it's not that's a microblade for your face yeah but that was so quick and like i feel like i would have even fumbled like wait what is that thing called again it's to shave your face yeah does it freak you out that girls shave their face every night i'm like come on matt let's do it together he's like alice yeah i've shaved my face with my husband you got peach fuzz yep everyone does okay ready yeah i got your fingers on it what is it oh is that a heat roller no kind of no it's for your hair it's a dyson air wrap is that right yes wow i can't tell if i'm i'm impressed but is this like is this like too much of a red flag no this is good okay next ready nair hair removal cream i use it on my butt it ruined my whole trip i knew nair but i was like does he know what it actually does yeah because i because my uh personal trainer he does it on his legs he's like oh you should do it and so i did it on my legs and it felt really smooth so i got carried away and i was like i'll just do my whole body and i went to bali before i went on the flight you nared your whole body yeah i did my whole body chest everything i get on the flight and my whole bum looks like hundreds and thousands is that what you guys call them here like sprinkles that's what we call it on your bum it looks like sprinkles yeah and i was like on a scooter everywhere and i'm like i'm like this is fucking horrible you nared your ass and it's still bad like it still hasn't recovered it's been months it's been since may you put nare on your ass i put on the hole and i was like i want to make sure i'm i was gonna see my girl so wait you put nare on your asshole yeah and your bum cheeks and my nipples like you can't have that much hair on your ass cheeks yeah but i just wanted to make sure that you wanted to be really god forbid i someone sees me walk around naked that I have a smooth bum.

57:06It doesn't go there. You're an asshole. But what are these actors doing? That's like me putting nair on my labia. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, I was curious. What if I was curious? No, but also like, what do these actors do to have smooth asses on these movies? Do I wax it? No, you definitely will wax it. This is the problem with young men today is we don't know how to - Let's get into this conversation. We don't know how to have smooth, non-pimply assholes. How do we do that? No one teaches you. I just nailed my whole hole trying to figure it out. Then I've shaved it. Doesn't work.

57:40But then so I do like the actual buzzer. And that's what works on my legs. But like it's still not silky smooth. I need this bussy. I need this bussy silky smooth. My little man kitty. You know? I need my man cat. Nice and smooth. You never know who's going to see it. This bussy? This bussy. I always get worried that like. Is that a stay? You know what a bussy is. Wait, do people call it a bussy? Boy pussy. Bussy. Or the jow bussy is what people call mine. Have you not seen all my stories? Who calls it that? Mason. No, this one guy replies to all my stories. Are you crying? This guy replies to my stories.

58:22Every confession card, he said, is the jow bussy off the market? And I'm like, yo, Mason, I don't know you. Like, don't speak about my puss like that. You make it so available. Oh, yeah, sure. I don't know. The jow bussy. Yeah, jow bussy. it's a thing everyone's doing it but it's the the jousy bush the jousy the juicy here's the thing is i always get worried that god forbid after we have sex or something like i have to bend over and pick something up right it's like and you just want to be every angle looking good yeah just in case like you never know who's gonna see you with your pants no bum fluff but ladies if you have it we'll nibble on it the fuck is that a wax strip oh yeah what's that oh a nose pour i couldn't even get this one when my team printed this out i was like what is that again but you got pregnancy brain right now no is that not a thing what okay what did you just say is that not a thing pregnancy brain it is but you're not allowed to say it i can only say oh i don't know but i'm like you know i do i pregnancy brain yeah you knew this immediately this is my job why is it your job because i i had 20 fiances i need to make sure this is part of my preparation is i had georgia in the room going what is this what is this yeah what is this so when she comes in and she's wearing one of these you wouldn't be scared no i'd be like give me one because i got a lot of paws right now you can do it together i've been going through it okay so then we're going to cruise through the rest of this um face roller face roller yeah all right led red mask red face mask do you have one no they should send me one though they should do a brand deal sephora harry washer oh i hate this coast is that right that's it yes guys hairy think about it like make it harder i'm so impressed kevin hart couldn't get any of it really nothing i'm smarter than kevin hart maybe uh i don't know he's got way more money yeah yeah yeah i think he's more focused on other things other than learning about all the he actually has a career okay okay we're transitioning back okay New Zealand yeah you go home during the show and I know that you were very anxious because when you were going home to New Zealand you were down to the final two women oh yeah and so there was a lot emotionally riding on this can you just explain what was going on and what was going through your head I think I was at such a hard point um in the whole experience because number one I'm going back to New Zealand basically a year on since my dad had died and then also seeing my sisters and their family.

1:00:49The last time I saw them was at his deathbed. So I had the heaviness of the reality of that setting in and that my dad's actually dead. And then also the reality of like, holy shit, I have these two incredible people that would love to marry me. And I don't know who's better or who's better for me. And I know in those moments, I was really struggling to figure out what I was doing and like is this the right decision am I if I go either way it's gonna be a great life no matter what but then also I was so torn I remember even once we come back from New Zealand I was like I was more upset I wasn't excited about the idea of getting married I was more upset about hurting someone and I think that was the hardest thing is and I'm usually if you're about to marry someone like you should know like Like some of the friends on The Bachelor and they're like, yeah, I knew from the first day.

1:01:44And I think that was what was fucking me up. It's because I'm trying to balance this grief where I've never felt before. And then also go, wait, I should know at this point when I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. I remember you also telling me like, I know I have so just I'm still grieving and I don't even know if I fully even grieved in a way that I don't know. like what is grief and like how do you know when you where you are in that process and you're like and on top of it going back I'm going to feel so many emotions so then adding in these two women that I'm already so stressed it was like this beautiful storm of just a lot of emotions for you and I remember the producers texting me when you guys got there and they were like oh wow he's really in his feels yeah I remember the plane touched as soon as the plane hit uh nelson new zealand tears i couldn't stop crying and i really struggled to breathe and i was like holy fuck like oh this is real like the thing is it's kind of like this show when it comes out it's like you just have so much anticipation and as soon as you get there it's like it just releases and like i remember being in new zealand and i'm like oh my god wow and then seeing my sisters and like fuck like it's been a year so excited to see them being being those like that was also the hardest thing is because we'd be driving around um nelson new zealand and a lot of those streets were like last time i was there was with my dad in the car like we'd drive past mcdonald's and i was like fuck that was the last place i had mcdonald's and that was with him and then i was like oh we'd drive a little bit past there's a gas station i was like oh he was cleaning the car window there so i was the whole day i was just like looking around because again don't have my phone it's like usually if you're in a car you're just texting or whatever else not on my phone i'm sitting there like taking it all taking it all in and then going holy fuck i remember um the two dates that we had and i looked at the producers i was like i can't like i legitimately cannot do this like i'm trying my best here and and i felt like with danelle on our date like i'm taking away from her experience like she's first time in new zealand this is so exciting and it's meant to be a beautiful date but i just couldn't like i kept shutting down and i was trying and i remember just like grabbing them I was like can I just I need to be alone I was like I wish I came a day early and just sat by myself and processed it but thankfully like they gave me a day to myself they took me to a beach or actually I drove I remember this beach and it was the last beach that I went to with my dad and I remember walking on the beach and I was the only one in jeans and a sweater and I remember I went sat on this rock and I just looked around and I was like oh wow this is like this is happening this is so crazy so real and then the most powerful emotion that i've ever felt in my life like fully just like dumped i think it was like the weight of the show grieving my dad being like feeling his presence and his energy and being on that rock and i remember i was just weeping for so long i've never weeped like that i'm like oh this is so crazy like that's the best thing about grief it's like it just overwhelms you and your whole body and I loved the feel like I loved that I was able to grieve.

1:05:00I loved that I was able to sit there and just feel like I was wailing and carrying on because it was so special because after that, all the pain and the tears and going through it, I felt so good. I think that's also what I'm really excited for people as they watch this show to experience. Again, it's like you really were in such a different, you're in a different phase of your life. and it's horrific what you had to go through with your dad and I feel like now knowing you for as long as I've known you I also think correct me if I'm wrong but what also I feel like was coming up for you Harry before you left when we were talking is a little bit like you didn't have this love story you grew up watching between your mom and your dad fully and so like you talk about looking at people that you're you've become close with and you're you're trying to find people that you want to emulate their relationship or take parts of it matt and i and your friends and all those people but i think losing your dad and then also having these two women sitting there in new zealand with you it must have been so overwhelming to be like oh my god like i i'm there's a lot that i'm still grieving just by losing my father but then i'm also trying to find the love of my life and marry someone but i'm still trying to figure out what that even looks like for me because i didn't exactly have a perfect example of that growing up and so like there was a lot interconnected almost yeah yeah i don't recommend it yeah honestly and i agree obviously they won't see the amount of time that everyone gave you but i'm happy that you did get some time to yourself to like grieve and just try to relax a little yeah we hit the lottery with that crew like they were amazing yeah and you know what's really cool my favorite thing my favorite thing about the whole show ever was that when we went to new zealand they hired so much local crew and like for me i'm like oh this is so cool because now we get like all these jobs here but also some of the guys that were on the crew i did my first ever dating show with when i was 19 it was all full circle yeah i remember the guy was doing my sound i was like why do i know you and then he's like bro we worked together like we worked together so long yeah and i was like what a nice way to close the loop so i felt like it was all like all these synergies and all these amazing things but i was like it's such a beautiful thing but then also on that rock and i know this isn't in the show but when i was sitting there though throughout the whole show and the whole experience i'm asking for so many signs from my dad and like the bee thing so like um and i guess to give some color on that is me and my dad used to beekeep when we were younger and before he'd passed i said i'm gonna get a little bee pendant and um to like every time i think about him or anytime i see a bee i'm gonna think about him um obviously uh didn't get a bee payment but i turned him into a little diamond which was nice but um on the show i would always see bees around amber like they'd always pop up like always and i remember there was a i think it's in the show so i'm not ruining anything um but when we did our first overnight there was like a bee that flew all the way up to that penthouse and landed and then even i don't actually don't know if i told you this the first date before we're walking to the yacht um i was in in the car with parisa my producer and i'm like oh i just need to go to the toilet before we go on the yacht and i remember walking to this it was marina del rey i was walking to the urinal and i was like fuck dad like i i don't i don't know if this is the right decision i don't know if i'm doing the right thing like i swear to god i said it out loud dad if this is the right decision show me a sign and i'm walking in the urinal and I swear to God I'm peeing and I looked down someone put a bee sticker on the urinal and I was like okay this is all good there was another thing so then obviously the scene I saw bees around Amber's family I saw bees the next day when we went to New Zealand I was on that rock and and I guess this is the best advice for anyone that's lost someone it's just you just ask for signs and you will see them and they will show up no matter what and it's so much comfort in that and then if you think you're crazy then that's all good but at least you feel good but I was on that rock and i was telling my dad i'm like dad i've seen so many bees but they're everywhere it's fucking stupid like it's a stupid sign because they're everywhere so i'm always thinking about you it's like show me something i haven't seen and since i was a kid i need to see a dragonfly right swear to god okay isn't that crazy that harry that is i love that too for anyone listening i agree that has and is experiencing grief because i agree everyone i've always talked to is like having that sign it's so comforting and it just makes me so happy because obviously spoiler everyone but like you chose amber yeah and so it did end up you know working out in the show that you chose this person um i want to talk more about you guys in that relationship yeah because obviously getting married to someone is one of the biggest decisions that you will ever make in your life what do you think initially really drew you to each other you know I think Amber was um in that environment still so like free and unique like it's a very like for her spirit very free-spirited person like grew up in Hawaii um very go with the flow energy and in that environment where there's chaos and there's drama and there's girls yelling at each other the fact that she was able to keep that was like really incredible and just like a breath of fresh air in a chaotic environment like that.

1:10:37How do you think that you felt like your relationship as it progressed started to differ from your relationship with other women? Like what made you feel like it was maybe a little bit stronger? We would have so much more fun. You know, we would have those moments where she would open up and tell me about what's going on in her life and make it just so incredibly safe to talk about what was going on in mine. And even when we're in New Zealand and I was like, oh, I just need to see Amber because she's been through grief like this before and um she made it just so easy and fun and that was the coolest thing so obviously you were down to danelle and amber you had told both women that you loved them which i know you were like i never expected to get to a place where i was telling two women i love them but i think it gives people a lot i think we're now acclimated to that with reality television that like we seen so many people be like guys i'm telling you it's the craziest thing but like when you're in these experiences, you actually can be in love with two people.

1:11:36When you did choose Amber, what were the main factors that went into that decision? That was the most difficult thing because that day before, I didn't sleep the night before, like legitimately no sleep. I was so distraught by the idea. So my brain, I love to overthink. so I was panicking about the idea of having to break someone's heart in front of their friends and family and that's what was really like that's what really sucked so it was honestly really difficult like and my family didn't help either because my sisters loved both of them and they had such a good time it was it was tough like I remember even up until the the moment I'm like I don't know what's going on like there's always I was always second guessing it which is not fair on amber either like even in the like yeah at those final like it's not fair on anyone to to be second guessed no but i think this is good as people will watch obviously what things and fallout and all of this are gonna come i think it's good no but i i think it's good to hear yeah your headspace because i to be honest like i would hate to hear that if i was amber or you know danelle like i think it it gives more clarity into where your head was at where like you were so torn and you really weren't fully leaning towards someone at the end of this no i don't think it's horrible i think it's honest i think i think and and unfortunately i think you have to you have to be honest i'd rather you be honest than be like it was such an easy decision it was amber all the way like i remember the day before you were like i literally don't know who to pick and you were you were asking understandably like production everyone like what who do you guys think I should pick like you were so in your head you were like someone give me feedback and and to everyone's credit they were like Harry this is on you I remember you were still telling basically just before the wedding Danelle that you still you loved her yeah how did you navigate those lingering feelings when you then went into the wedding with Amber you know I I think a wedding is like heavy enough on a good day you know like there's there's so much that goes into it with that and then also having like hey like i really love and care about this other person too it was horrible like it wasn't it was so unfair on both of them um and even myself to a degree but it's obviously you know i was in it um but i remember even i was having the biggest panic attack when And they're like, okay, you have to make a decision now.

1:14:14And you have to walk into a room and tell one of them. I couldn't believe what was going on. I was pacing. I'm like, please, I don't know what to do. I'm freaking out. And again, it's so unfair on both of them. And it was hard to be excited about the wedding because I knew that someone was sitting in a hotel room with a broken heart. So that was difficult because I'm meant to be having the happiest moment of my life. but then also being sad because I've just broken someone's heart. But it would have been the same either way. Like if I chose to know, I still would have been freaking out. It could have been anyone and I still would have been like, because I guess a younger version of myself would have just been like, fuck it, all good, like let's just ride.

1:14:54But like for now, especially to go through that and for them to see me at my weakest in New Zealand and then to be like, all right, actually, I'm going to give you this feeling. It's horrible. Yeah. I remember something that your friends said on the show is they brought up that you and Amber have very different lifestyles. Yeah. Did you consider that at all a red flag, not on her part, but just as the dynamic and your compatibility when you were going into choosing her? I don't know, to be honest. I think we were, it's like, it was, it's so exciting. Again, like it could have been like, both of them give two very different lifestyles and two very different lives.

1:15:43So yeah, I don't know. I'm, I didn't even consider it. I was just like, there was already so many thoughts and feelings. Yeah, maybe you should have. Yeah. There's already so much going on in my head. Yeah, I get it. I get it. It's like, you're in this filming bubble. And I think, honestly, I think that becomes one of the biggest issues when you look at reality television of like people try so hard to talk about like life outside of this but it's hard to like you can try but then you actually have to go live it and sometimes it's really hard to make that work really hard after filming you and amber had to keep your relationship private until the show aired as a public person how did that go for you terrible we were on Dumois and it wasn't me leaking oh my god Harry's like trust me I would have loved to leak something I was like why did you text me first so you didn't leak it to Dumois no I didn't you know it was so frustrating so we went to Hawaii to see a friends and family and again like my brain you know you've just married someone and you want to do life you want to experience everything you want to go see everything I remember we were sitting at breakfast in the hotel and someone had taken a photo of the back of her head and my face and i was like i was like oh we're fucked like now we can't do anything because like now they know god like thank god they didn't get the front of her face right because you can't spoil the whole show and i think that's what's really really hard about reality tv is like other than love island who's doing it in the moment and they've got i can't imagine how many editors they have in a room like these shows you then have to basically not see your partner for a while and when you do it has to be in really confined spaces and also trusted spaces too it's like when we go to see our friends and family like okay cool we're like trusted here but if we go to like a restaurant to pick up a coffee or something like it'd have to be so brief and so quick because if someone sees me and goes wait who's that goes with take a photo and it ends up on a t page we're kind of cooked so when we went to Australia because I want her to come see my friends and family, but I'm going to be smart about it.

1:17:49I'm going to fly in a few hours early. I'm going to go check in the hotel. She's going to fly in a couple hours after. I'm going to get a car. So I immediately pick her up and then we go to the hotel. So I'm thinking I've got this bulletproof plan. And the next day we're going to drive to my mom's farm, which no one's near and we're going to be all good. Swear to God, I pick her up from the airport. We're driving back to the hotel, a fucking pipe burst in the hotel and the elevators go down it's like it was like 3 a 3 a.m or 2 a.m so i'm like oh no one will see us i'm already panicking because the hawaii shit just happened so i'm panicking that like people are gonna see us or people are gonna know us obviously i'm not as famous as i thought it was because i'm like guys where's the paparazzi no you're like hello yeah my guys there was no one waiting at the airport when i got in australia i'm home um but so we get to the hotel and she's got her bags and stuff and i was like can i just take it up the staircase like no everything's flooding so i'm like fuck what do we do we go and like hide in a corner and she's obviously exhausted because she just traveled so early and like falls asleep on my lap thank god her face was facing this way someone walks around the corner i'm on my phone like this like exhausted at like fucking 3 a.m snaps a photo of us walks away ends up on some french t page on reddit and i was like get another call from netflix like what are you doing right and it's like the only thing you want to do when you just you just got married you're you're you're in love you know you're feeling it you're like i just want to like go to a coffee i just want to hang out with my wife and i literally can't do that yeah obviously so much it's i feel like every reality show it's like so much happened in the reality show and then so much has gone down since them yeah and we are gonna see all of it play out on the reunion okay it okay i'm fucking scared you shouldn't be smiling i know you're lucky i'm not hosting it um no they asked they did ask i'm scared of alex no no no alex doesn't need this i don't need to be doing this i'm pregnant but like you'll get cooked don't worry um no but i am excited for you to i don't know go through that process is is there anything you're nervous about is there anyone you're nervous to see you know I believe that I've had a really good um relationship with all the girls even up until now like Danelle we she would text me basically every other day worried about something and wanting to talk through things because and I explained to the girls like hey I am here no matter what and I I said to Danelle, like, you can feel free to speak however you feel about me.

1:20:33Obviously, like, she was the one at the end who had, like, the most heartbreak. And I'm like, if you want to drag me, all good, fine. I'll always be here. It's all good. No worries at all. And I said to all the other girls, like, no matter what, if you need, I'm here. Like, I know this is, like, a new scary world for you. And obviously, I've been in it. So that's all good. So I'm not worried about anything. because whatever they want to say or whatever they feel called to say, I would love for them to just do it and like let's put it all on the table. That's fine.

1:21:04Obviously, they're going to see things on the show, maybe how I talk or whatever else. Maybe that girl at the start that just wanted followers, she's probably not going to appreciate that, but maybe that might be her moment to get more followers. So if everyone gets what they want, then that's all good. I'm not worried about anything. I'm just more worried about hurting or upsetting people because I'm in such a good place in my life now and everything's perfect. And I wouldn't want to affect that at all. I just would want that like everyone gets what they need out of it and that we're all good and we can move on.

1:21:36And I love this approach. Like, I love how you think this reunion, you're like, and it's going to be beautiful and we're going to love this. And it's going to be such a good cathartic experience. Meanwhile, I'm like, these women may be coming with pitchforks and you better buckle up, Mr. Jousey. You dig? Oh, what reunion is calm, chill, cool, calm, and collected? Not yours. What? Not yours. No way. You think? I mean. No way. I mean. No, no. I am going to be so sat for this reunion. And I will say this as your friend. I remember getting ready for your wedding. Which you dressed like it was a funeral, by the way.

1:22:18I was going to ask if you remember that. Yeah, you fucking. I showed up. Glasses. Uh-huh. I showed up to Harry's wedding and I literally was like, I dressed for a funeral because we are basically laying to rest the fuck boy Harry. And we are it's a rebirth, essentially. And I really do genuinely stand by this when I say. When I got ready that morning after watching you go through this whole process, I really knew that. And I'm not I both women were such incredible choices, no matter who you chose. what I knew before even wedding or no wedding. I knew that you had changed and I could feel it. I think this process, you went in and that's why I thought it was so important to talk about it in the beginning, Harry.

1:23:03Like you genuinely went into this experience and you wanted to be better. You wanted to change. You wanted to find your person. Like you were pouring into yourself in a way that you never had before. And you were also so open and you wanted it. And watching you go through the pain and the heartbreak and grieving your father and looking at these relationships in a different way, taking accountability, messing up along the way, being in the back and crying to producers. Like we saw a side of you that I was like, this is breaking him almost in a way that he's rebuilding himself by the end. And so I showed up for the funeral because I was like, no matter what happens today, genuinely, who he picks, if he picks neither of them, truly, Matt and I both went and we like, he may not get married today, but he is a different person today than when he went into this experience for the best and i think that no matter what that was a win for you because i do not believe we will ever see the version of you that predated the show like you've just grown you're a different person now thank you of course hopefully see what harry no no let me now let me here you go so i just said all that so don't let anyone clip that no a couple months from now and be like alex cooper you are the biggest clown he is back to his ways i'm gonna be like don't prove me wrong i will do you proud of harry jousey i can't wait for the reunion i wish you the best of luck and i don't know yeah get out of my studio okay goodbye love you

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