Jack Harlow: I’m *Not* Vanilla Baby (FBF)

0:28Hi the upcoming remake of white man can't jump already been nominated for a ring what is up daddy gang it is your founding father alex cooper with call her daddy jack harlow welcome to call her daddy thank you i am so happy you made it from vegas me too that was like a close call couldn't wait to get out of there just like not the vibe to be in vegas all the time shit it's not the vibe anytime but were you there for 24 hours i was there for business yeah business no pleasure oh you know i i take pleasure in business sometimes but yeah i know what you're asking me nah no you didn't meet any ladies i didn't spend any money no okay okay good to know um i want to go back to the beginning because i'm like already you sitting in this chair jack the ladies are blushing they're happy they're cozy they're like oh jack's here they all have a crush but today we're gonna make them really fall in love i can tell okay so we need to get to know you okay so we're gonna go back to the very beginning you grew up in kentucky born and raised that's right you just moved back yeah tell me why is your hometown so why are you looking at me?

1:52Nah, just excited Talk to me about your hometown and what it means to you Gosh, where do I start? um i mean i growing up listening to rap music you would hear artists talk about the cities they were from and just lift them up and i was just like damn like louisville needs that and so it became a priority to me yeah and um i love where i'm from i just love it i love it that's why i'm there it just makes me happy and i think it's like it's slow and it's laid back a little different than la yes very very very um is it okay you just said like you kind of like roll it off the tongue you're like louisville is it louisville you almost got it you almost got it i would say locally it's the ville is more vol vol louisville louisville louisville louisville louisville it kind of just like in the throat you're just like oh yeah like oh yeah it just it's not it's buttery it's syrupy yeah but like if you hear people say louisville do you give a shit well not deeply and i i'm beyond my like correcting it stage yeah it's just it's not tasteful but you peep it you notice yeah yeah well because i so i my friends both went to college there like my good friends and then when i went for a wedding last year i was trying to suss out the vibe because i was like i want to say louisville but like i was trying to not like embarrass myself so i just said louisville but then you just said i said it right so i'm gonna just keep saying louisville louisville louisville yeah you're there you're there what do you think is the biggest misconception people have about kentucky that's a good question it's really good i see why you're in the position you're in you know what to do i'm just getting started you know to do trust me i believe it um well i'll tell you specifically the city i'm from feels very misunderstood i think in terms of like a national identity because kentucky's so dominantly rural and louisville is is like a full-blown city like with a downtown tall buildings like hundreds of thousands of people live there so i think we feel a little misunderstood for that reason so So Louisville specifically, there's some misconceptions.

4:28I don't want to speak for the whole state, but there's always more than meets the eye. Yeah, there is. Like you. What were you like as a kid?

4:41I wasn't allowed to play video games when I was really young, so I read a lot. What did you read? Novels on novels. I was really into Harry Potter. I just read. I remember there was a series. I'm glad you asked so I have a chance to shout it out. It's called Warriors. It was about these cats that lived in clans and tribes. And it just had me fucking hooked. I was just, yeah, I was deep in it. So I just loved books. I don't know if I would be able to do what I was doing without the literature in my early life. I heard hip hop for the first time. I was like, shit, this rhythm mixed with expressing myself.

5:22I didn't realize you were a Harry Potter stan Can we talk about that for a second? I'm not a stan but yes Then what the fuck are you? Fuck it I'm a stan Let's go Oh you're like easily persuaded I'm easy Peer pressure let's go The whole time I'm very flizzed Who's your favorite? Of the Harry Potters? The characters? yeah who was that asian girl he was fucking with she was like there for a second she had me she had me weak i can't lie she had me open reading that shit the details jk rowling used to bring it i was in there nine years old pants tightening up what the fuck is happening to me do you think the first time you jerked off was when you were like at like the 16th chapter and you're like all right you got to put the book down i'm getting hard no i know what the first time i beat my dick was share with the class jack yeah i just realized i've been waiting for a chance just right up to jimmy fallon i want to talk about it so no one wants to talk about that shit they'll bleep it out they'll cut somehow you're this is right up your alley this will be the whole promo this will be it i just remember i just remember i remember first time i i tried to go there it rose and it was like the feeling was so unfamiliar to me that i got all the way to near climax and stopped i think i was 12 years old in middle school and i just stopped because i was like i don't know what's going to happen if this busts and so i went to sleep i just went to sleep and the next night i'm like fuck it i'm going all the way and i became my ocean but you remember that feeling like what did you think to yourself i thought god damn i get it this shit's all right i love how you gave yourself blue balls for like the first time you're like i was terrified i don't know because it just was rising and rising and rising i'm like where are we going great feeling you said that you weren't allowed to play video games what was your house like growing up like what was the dynamic who's in your house what's going on my two parents who love each other deeply to this day and my little brother oh nice i owe a lot to my parents i got good parents you do yeah and they're still together they are deeply in love wow so are you kind of like a romantic guy you know i i was for a while oh what happened i don't know i'm just deeply in my patch if my patch stage right now like not that i'm i'm not i'm not like necessarily cutthroat I just like I think when I was 21 I just seeked so much validation and it gave me such a rush to make a girl feel special and it was almost like how many can I make feel special just to be honest and I think I didn't want to sleep by myself like I need and if I was I wanted to get on FaceTime with someone and fall asleep on FaceTime and something shifted where I want my space more than ever and um i mean i'm as transparent as i've ever been and i'm just tell it what it is and i i don't fucking i'm not worried if if it's not right for the other person it's like let's keep moving yeah peace out so it's a different stage i think something in the last like 12 months probably something shifted i think i know it shifted but we'll get there um okay so you can't wait to hear your diagnosis yeah yeah don't worry we're going full diagnosis this is a therapy session just so you know are you in therapy yeah okay good well this is an extended version good you can tell your therapist we don't need our session this week i sit down with alex yeah it's already canceled you said you said that you were like you were looking for validation talk to me about what you were like in high school did you get the girls were you a loser were you bullied were you the bully what was going on um i could always get I could always get the girl I wanted.

9:22It's not like I was like, I didn't have my way across the board, but I could get the cute girl. I could get the cute girl. I was well-liked in high school. What were your friends like? Were you an athlete guy? Were you a chess player? Were you in the book club? I started making music so early that the rapper category got stamped on me really early. so I would pass LCDs in school and everyone knew I was chasing this for a long time so I was in sort of my own category even locally I experienced a taste of fame from the age of like 14 on because I would go out in public and people would stop me and ask me for pictures just at other schools so it was unique it was unique I feel like I know fuck what was his name was like Sammy do you know who I'm talking about?

10:15Sammy Adams. Sammy Adams from Philly. And I remember I know what you're talking about of like I feel like a lot of high school. I opened for Sammy Adams when I was 18 years old. Shut the fuck up. I was 18 years old. No one was there to see me. I was playing for his car. It was fine. It's right of passage. Right. First two I ever went on like four dates on the East Coast. We drove ourselves out there. No one with us. Just me, my DJ and two of my friends. And we drove from every venue and we opened up to a bunch of people staring at us like who the fuck is this like can can samuel please come out here like fuck samuel this chat kid does not do it for me and i was like you know no beard glasses still on like didn't know how to cut my hair like i was it was raw it was a very raw time but it was character building that's kind of funny the juxtaposition of like you being a rapper and then having like your glasses and like maybe not like looking the part yeah i think i think when i was younger i really was like banking on that juxtaposition i think i think i was like oh this shock value is gonna be what does it for me and then i think i got to a point where i took the glasses off and like started like tending to how i looked became slightly more vain and i was like i like looking in the mirror and being pleased like i don't really want to be tethered to these glasses so that's how the shift came about were people in your hometown like i feel like sometimes people are assholes at that age being like you're a fucking loser stop trying to make it where were people around you supportive or were they like you're dumb move on it was split it was polarizing for people people were it was it was very divisive like people either thought it was super tight that i was doing that or they thought like from a distance they never would say it to me i was i wasn't stuffing the locker material i was you know i was walking through that motherfucker with broad shoulders like i wasn't i wasn't the high school quarterback but like nobody was fucking talking to mean you know but there were people that definitely thought it was lame and would shit on me and i would hear from other schools if people thought it was lame like oh you fuck with that kid that shit's terrible so it was split you know what's funny is like just so anyone listening the ladies like i think there's something on google because i was gonna give you merch and i was like oh like i i remember i met him at snl and like he's taller than i expected and online there's something of like he's either 5 '8 or he's like 6 '2.

12:37And there's like a misconception. And I think like people think you're shorter than you are. So I'm here to say you're pretty tall. Thank you. So yeah, you weren't getting stuffed into lockers. Thank you for that too. You wouldn't have fit. That's right. How would your teachers have described you back then? If they were British, they would have said cheeky. I was well liked by my teachers, but I was not focused on school at all. Good grades, bad grades. poor poor mediocre like d's or c's c's and d's not failing getting through but like not focused cheating endlessly oh you know it's a skill fuck the thing is at the beginning of high school we signed like a uh did y 'all have to do that we signed like an oath i was like fuck man they could take me to court because i didn't earn my shit i'll tell you what how far would you go to cheat like did you have any like tricks i had tricks show these tricks now you're not in school trust me i had tricks okay i had tricks i was uh i was just in with the smart girls and in the classes i was in with them you could send picture messages when i was in high school like you know obviously i didn't grow up in the 60s so i'm joking but if i had a vibe with a girl she was coming through with 11 attachments i'm like she would bless me and i'd be like i owe you oh i'm gonna take care of you because that is a love language right there ain't it baby you help me cheat right oh and you will how intimate is that though how intimate is that that is special and i used to just put my arm around like you you held me down like oh i owe you i don't know what i owe you but i owe you something we're gonna figure it out it was the attention what you gave them or did you ever hook up with anyone that helped you cheat

14:38i'm sure i'm sure i did but i don't think it was i don't know if it was a direct like debt exchange when i did it yeah but coincidentally i may have but it was love it was love i always had i always had a lot of home growths like okay that it didn't have to go anywhere it's just there's nothing like the company of a woman i know i'm in the right arena to be saying that but i really i deeply believe that like it's like it's so relaxed it is yeah we're pretty great yeah but But what I can imagine is like, did you have a girlfriend in high school ever? I did for a portion of it. How did that go over with her?

15:17You having all these lady friends? Well, she's at another school. Let me chill. I feel like you played a lot of games back in the day. It didn't feel like it. I just was me. I just was, I was, I like to, I just like to have friends. You get it. You like to have friends with vaginas. It's like I want to move on because somehow the wounds seem fresh no matter how long it was. It's just like, yo, let's chill. We're literally talking about high school and middle school. He's like, oh. I know. He's like, yo, she's going to hear this. How many girlfriends did you have in high school? I had one. How long?

15:54A year. I was on the same shit I'm on now. I'm playing the field, chilling, seeing what's going on. Oh, assessing the situation. Uh-huh. uh-huh you are funny okay we're moving on what was the major turning point in your career if you had to say like one big moment we were like oh people fucking know me now i mean what's popping was a huge one there was little steps up till then like there's a lot of people that approached me and told me at different times in the late 2010s they became aware of me like had these records that would go viral on twitter from like 2017 2018 2019 so it was building it was building and And then it took this big jump where it was popping.

16:38And I remember pulling up at a red light and the person next to me looking over and being like. And that was when I was like, oh, okay. Here we go. Just I'm out in public. I'm not in my hometown. And people are stopping me. That must be so crazy. Now understanding that you always kind of were recognizable in Kentucky. But then to go somewhere else and be like, oh, fuck, I think I'm famous now. How do you handle that? Do you like it? It's very validating. I mean, especially overseas. Like, walking through New Zealand and Australia and people know it's like, you feel, that's one of those moments where you take that time to pat yourself on the back.

17:18So, it feels really good. It feels good. Do you like the New Zealand women? Yeah. What country have you like, maybe like the most of the ladies? Who shows you the most love outside of the U.S.? I really like London. Those women know how to talk. You know what I mean? They know how to talk. You like a woman that talks a lot? Yeah, and I like... Well, yeah. You spun that a certain way. Yeah, not too much. Shut the fuck up. To a point. Hey, let me tell you something. You are funny. You are funny. You're kind of funny, too. I mean, I assumed you were. Yeah. But this is proof right here. Okay, thanks.

18:02I just think the women over there have a certain wit. You know, they just are cheeky. They're cheeky. And they feel like they read a lot of books growing up. Do you like a strong, confident, smart woman? All those sound good. What's your type? I just like sweethearts, man. I like sweet-ass girls. I like sweet-ass girls. So if a girl's playing a game with you, are you like, no? Do you like a girl that's like, hi, Jack. like I like you or are you saying just like sweet nice hearted but like maybe they can kind of I'm not saying a girl has to like be a pushover let me walk all over her that's not what I mean by sweet I just mean that I don't like mean-spirited energy at all and I don't like toxicity I don't that that's not one of my fetishes and I know that's that's going right now there's a lot of guys that are into that they love it I have no patience for it and I'm glad you asked about games I don't I don't want to play any game I just want to enjoy it and that's right now that's who i am right now if you ask me this when i'm when i turn 30 who knows maybe you're playing the games at 30 hopefully not maybe you're stirring up the toxic there's no telling i'm just saying it may shift from sweet to like yo i need a woman that is that challenges the fuck out of me and is at this level is above me this and that it's like it's just where i am right now like maybe you want a woman that's like making the bread i mean it doesn't sound like the worst thing in the world yeah you mentioned when you were talking about vulnerability i'm like what's your biggest insecurity when you were younger and like do you still feel that way i think when i was really young my teeth were pre-braces my teeth made it you know when you're like eight years old and your teeth are fucked me too it's a common one that was one did you get braces where like you would like decorate with the colors on the little i think i had some blue shit going on but like halloween time you didn't do like black and orange no but you did i didn't it was like disgusting like i look back and i'm like it looks like there's like carrots and black beans in my teeth it don't matter then but i can totally see that i could totally see you at 11 years old oh my god i had two big front teeth and no one wanted to finger me no one wanted to touch me doc i was always the girl like never on the top five never getting fingered never damn damn damn i got the craziest a story about fingering okay sure i low-key wanted to take this shit to nbc but we're here you already brought up fingering i just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare i had okay here we go in middle school okay here we go

20:52I just want to tell you about a pregnancy scare I had. Okay, here we go. In middle school. Okay, here we go. So I had this chick I was messing with, 7th or 8th grade, I think 8th grade. And she was touching me, I was touching her, and a little bit of pre-cum got on her hands and my hands. And you know about pre-cum, so. so then i fingered my girlfriend in middle school and the next day she hit me and she's like yeah i think i missed my period and i'm like now hold on and i started my mind starts racing my mind starts racing thinking about it all and we meet up at the buses and i'm like you know i had pre-cum on my fingers when i was i don't know if do you think and she was like and then days went by i I remember, I swear to God, I remember it so vividly.

21:52She texted me. I asked her, I'm like, did you get it? And she's like, I still didn't get it. My period. And thunder struck outside my window. Thunder struck. And I was like, fuck. And I was so convinced this girl was pregnant. And I couldn't tell anybody. I had nobody to talk to. Like, we're having a baby. Like, my parents, I couldn't have told them I even fingered somebody. Because it was like, what the fuck are you doing fingering somebody? and uh little do you know if you told your parents they'd be like let us teach you a little thing about sex it would have been such a relief so it's my birthday weekend ruining my 13th 12th or 13th birthday and i remember being at school and i just like lean against the wall in the hallway as everyone's going in class and i just slide down the wall and put my head in my hands and start bawling like i start fucking crying because i'm so convinced i just got a girl pregnant and just ruined everything and um it was just dark dark dark and then after school i just was like down in the dumps i couldn't tell anyone why and then she came to me and she's like i got my period i was so relieved so relieved but that was a that was one of my first tastes of like grown-up anxiety did you use condoms ever since yes on my fingers too wrap that shit up you know it every time you have sex you use a condom yeah

23:20and everyone should

23:24have you ever had sex without a condom i've always wanted to you think you'll ever get of a go maybe after marriage oh you'll let it go raw yeah what do you think it will feel like i lost my virginity bro actually and god damn it was in that moment i was like oh shit because it had taken it had taken me and her weeks to get it in because i didn't know you had to wet it up so i was putting i was putting dry on dry i was putting a dry dick against a dry and i was like it's huge i'm like this motherfucker won't go and then and then i just spit it up spit it on and suddenly it just it just fell in and I was like I remember I was in that motherfucker I looked down there I was like oh we gonna be here for a minute if I'm lucky and I started I started and then 45 seconds left it's over we gone I was like I gotta I'm about to I'm about to but I it's so funny it's so stupid but it is an amazing moment when you first feel that and it's good it's i know they teach us around that time you're getting all this promotion all this propaganda put a counter in my head i'm like all right all right like come on like i'm going to but on my first go i'm not gonna i'm not gonna have a barrier between me and that moment i want to feel that shit thank god i did because i i was like this is why this is humanity i felt humanity in one stroke i felt the cause of humanity in one stroke We know you love Dua Lipa.

25:05What other celebrities are you crushing on?

25:11There's someone, but I don't think it's mutual, so. Oh. I don't really want to talk about it. Yeah, but like, what if you like put it out into the world and it like. And it's not time yet. It's not time. Can you give us a hint? She's beautiful. Well, fucking obviously. Well, there's only a few. No, I'm joking. You're doing great. What does it say? Just in case you're doubting yourself About this interview? Yeah, you're doing great Thank you You're doing great Thank you I like your purple pants Your pink outfit It goes Did you match it to the studio Or just a happen chance? I didn't match it to the studio But there was something about the fit That felt appropriate You kind of look like you're the host of this show You fit more into this room than me At the moment But you run this shit Let's be fucking honest The fuck But I'll tell you I'll give you something Okay I like a girl next door Anyway way so i don't need any internet presence i like i like me a librarian i like a waitress would you like a nurse you don't know me you don't know me you must not know i've written a song about nurses we girls wear scrubs in my shows and I'm not being funny.

26:27Okay, let's role play. You're trying to impress me. You're taking me on a date. Yeah. Walk me through what we're doing, where we're going. What's the vibe? I really like going to dinner and obviously that's not revolutionary, but that's just one of my favorite pastimes. Honestly, I love going out to dinner with or without a girl. Like, I just love it. I think I would just set up a plan and just tell you what it is and we run it. I don't know. I'm not the most extravagant, but I like to be somewhere quiet. I don't want music blaring. I don't want to be yelling over something. I want to be with you in a dark corner in a booth, and I want us to be able to get as close as we want to get and exchange smiles, whisper in each other's ear.

27:15True intimacy. If I really want to go on a date with a girl, I want to be. I don't want to go to a movie. I don't want to go do an activity. I want to be how you and I are right now, but there ain't no marble table between us. I want to be on each other. When was your last serious relationship? Sometime in the last couple years. How long did it last? A couple years. Have you ever been in love? I'd like to think so. How many times? Potentially once. Well, I hear people describe love and I'm like, god damn, that is something. That is something. but i don't know if i've been intoxicated like i felt deep infatuation but i i've been in love with someone once i've been in love with someone and love someone and i felt that but i don't know if i felt the highest heights i've seen other people go i've seen people just lose themselves in it and it's like i'm not it's not a criticism of it i'm more just like wow like that is a deep rush like i ain't never had that yeah yeah okay i bet you will one day thank you and then i think maybe you'll say oh like now i'm really in love well that's how it seems to go right i mean my high school girlfriend like there might have been a sense of like oh we're in love and then you have another one after that you're like no this is it and then you have another yeah but don't you that maybe it's just also life like maybe you're not capable in high school like you actually were in that moment in love of what you were capable yeah and you just keep dialing in your preferences and suddenly you're with somebody that fits where you're at right then and you're like oh yeah this is what the fuck i've been looking for yeah a brunette that's sweet in a nurse outfit done oh you just gave me chills the fuck

29:14I want to discuss some of your song lyrics. You say, I'm vanilla, baby. I'll choke you, but I ain't no killer, baby. You're smacking the delivery.

29:32On a scale of vanilla to kinky, where are you at in your sex game? Five. Five. weak ass answer right come on well it's just like i have i have my kinks i can't front but i also if you ask the woman i'm with it's like they're like god damn i wish i could get this guy to just fucking arch his back on top i'm like i'm not arching my back you're not putting nothing in my ass like i'm sorry it's me it's me it's just so everybody's got their thing but I had to be coaxed. I had to be taught. I had to learn. I had to learn how to talk. During sax? Yes. You were immune? When I was 19, yeah, I was just like, I was a breather.

30:19But I started to figure that out. And so, you know, people ask for what they want. And you're like, some of it, you're like, okay, this is actually turning me up. But then some of it, like the lyric in the song is like, I'll do that for you. But it's not making my dick harder. but I know it's not, it's not about me in that moment. Can you help me understand? We got vanilla and we got kinky and you're in the middle. So I'm going to say something to you and you're going to tell me if it's vanilla or kinky. Okay. Missionary sex. The best. As good as it gets. It's that corner booth in sex form, ain't it?

31:00Don't you think sometimes people think missionary would be vanilla? But if you do it the right way. I know they think it is. It's fine with me. that's how we got going though that's how the homo erectus was like that's that's default like let's just face facts it's default we've been over sexualized as a culture and motherfuckers don't want to look each other in the eye anymore and put their nose on each other's nose and put their tongue down each other's throats while they're getting strokes like come on like there's nothing better there's nothing better and everybody has their own preferences that's fine it's not objective but it feels pretty close to objective like well you can get in that like yeah in there But I think some people really don't want to look at each other Because they're like I fucking hate you but just let's fuck But you're not like that You're making sweet love Typically Every once in a while you gotta roll a motherfucker over But yeah yeah yeah What is your favorite Sex position?

31:53We just spent the last 10 minutes on it You don't know what they call me? Wow What do they call you? You know I make music right? MJ MJ no they don't you call yourself that nice i don't know why i got that nickname as a young child my grandmother called me that at two years old missionary jack why i was two years old my grandma you know that simba had that shit yeah she wiped some of that shit on my head she's like he's gonna love missionary

32:27what do you think about whips and chains obviously it's in your song i like no whips and chains but you can hold me down it's a no go I'm vanilla baby I choked you I love your takes on my voice she's 28 telling me I'm still a baby nah I don't like whips and chains I don't want to be tired sucking her toes the girl you're hooking up with if she said Jack it would take the right woman there's someone that could bring it out of me though I know it maybe it's the person earlier that you said you didn't want to say it perhaps sexting crucial crucial hot take are you the guy that's sending paragraphs oh the romance novels are you putting like then i bend you over and breathe in your ear like nah furthermore we move forward i do a lot of i just like to read with my left hand.

33:28Just keep going. That too? I like quick fire. And that's how I text. I like to send eight words, six words, five words, one after nine. So I'll send somebody 13 texts in a row. I just hate when I read the paragraph if a man has ever sexed me and it's like first and I'm like, oh Jesus Christ, here we go. It's like then. Moving forward. And you're like, let's just. Yeah, I mean, that'll make you soft. I can't lie. once they go like that you're like yeah that's a good effort my next question was a finger in the butthole i don't want nothing in my ass but i don't mind somebody

34:09like you know sifting sifting sifting credit carding you know that's very intimate i like being i like being a little spoon anyway so i don't mind somebody scratching my bag and then saying

34:30What about a little lick? I can fuck with that. I can get cleaned out. I see why you run this shit. You are funny. You are funny. I feel like your DMs are going to be scary after this episode. Daddy Gang goes hard. Girls, listen to this. only a few i'm just joking well how do you feel about hand jobs traumatized i mean my first pregnancy almost came from one i remember i i used to love me a hand job really and i still i still i'm a fan it has to be moisturized but yeah i like it but i just remember that girlfriend i had she used to stand in front of me at events when I and she would just work my shit over my jeans I swear I'd look at that motherfucking lady that bitch was bruised but at the moment it was like over the jeans working my shit I'm leaving there oh

35:33I've never given one of those do you suggest it's too late for you it's too late for you now you pass that period What's your best skill in the bedroom? R &D Rhythm and dialogue

35:56Rhythm and dialogue Rhythm Underrated Just like me Misunderstood too Do you think you're misunderstood? I just I guess I just feel like I guess I just feel like I wish I fit in I don't know what are you saying in the bedroom what are you doing over there are you now after you went through your breathing faiths because that's why because now I don't breathe there is I had I had work to be done and yeah met somebody older than me and so I think it just turn my dialogue up they said let me teach you yeah and it got out of it just became very like express what you feel right now just express it you don't need no lines you wrote earlier say what you feel right this moment so that anyone watch it out there that's what i recommend literally stream of consciousness is the best thing you can do like what are you feeling against your flesh right now describe it if you can vividly describe it talk about it talk about how you feel about it what you want what you want for them say it let it be known literature are you good at detecting if a woman is faking an orgasm damn no i'm not so sad so many women have probably faked it

37:41you're awesome like think about all the women i mean surely surely don't want to go to dinner later so for sure because you're gonna pay and like you know what it is they want the uber ride home

37:58let's talk about your new single it is really good thank you it's like it's nice to see you say something so earnest i know it was hard for you i know you're switching right back into character here shortly but that moment meant a lot to me it is really good thank you it's so catchy it's it's the jack carlo we know and love and i think it must can you talk to me though how it must feel like when you see it's like so popular right now trending on as we know tiktok is so important right now for like music also what does it feel like when you wake up and you're like everyone's making a fucking tiktok about my song impact is always so validating and i dropped an album earlier this year called jackman that i would say like wasn't even in the tiktok universe obviously there's people on tiktok because so many people on there that took it in but it wasn't a tiktok moment the way this has been or first class has been and that album meant the world to me and who's extremely introspective and personal and i love it it might be my best work thus far and then to pivot back into something that is high octane just fun and like it comes on and it's like it's not it's not serious it's like let's enjoy ourselves feels really good because a lot of what i was making this year is intimate it's intimate it's for the headphones it's personal experience this song is like you can feel that you want to play it at a show yeah yeah is that annoying though like as musicians watch it's like it's kind of wild how influential tiktok is right now like there are people that their whole career started because they hit one beat in one song and people are like who the fuck is this so like is it annoying do you ever have to think of like what's gonna work and like what would maybe be better on social media well for example like that album i put out i didn't make a single tiktok for it because it was like this ain't that but this song i knew like i had such a feeling about it like i just want to because i know as soon as it came on i was playing it for people and it just felt like something like the masses need to hear this so of course you put some thought into like yeah i feel like this is gonna they're gonna fuck with this um but i don't know if it's annoying i mean it's it's where it fucking culture is and culture continues to move there was something 10 years ago that was happening to the music industry that was so annoying for people i mean the streaming switch there's a world of people like oh this is and tiktok is a is a weapon it's a vehicle and of course there's people that are working on there but longevity is longevity so we we're gonna eventually see who translates it to something more but it's the weapon right now yeah it's what it is it's so it's unbelievable it's crazy it's unbelievable what um what is your writing process like i like you in this bag you do i know you had this in you yeah i i'm a businesswoman like i no i can tell i'm joking we can like joke around i see how much range you got thank you my writing process typically i walk through life have conversations and i'll say something to somebody like we're talking here and a first line will appear to me and i'll be like oh that's a good way to start a song and i'll just write the first line down and suddenly i'll have this collection of first lines on my notes and i go in the studio and a beat plays and if i love a beat i put it on and i start running through the first lines and saying different first lines on the beat and one of them just will slide right into place like it'll just be like and then my song starts it's not always what it is but for me that is what has happened to me so many times it's like i come up and if you notice a lot of my songs i put an emphasis on the first line like i really care about the first thing you hear being like okay here we go and like tyler hero for me the ones that hate me the most look just like me like that was something i just had been wanting to say and you're just waiting for a beat to place it that's so interesting yeah and then you take the other ones and hold them until you find another beat for them yeah yeah or something and then you have the occasion like on loving on me vanilla baby was i heard the beat and he was talking about i don't like no whips and chains and i was like okay i get the subject matter and the first thing i thought of was like i'm vanilla baby and you just mumble something out and you're like okay i'm in a groove let me lay this down so sometimes the beat dictates it you just get a feeling that's so crazy so do you a lot of times go in there and since you're recording like you'll just say a bunch of random shit that will stick and then you can listen back and be like oh i like what i said it's it's like it gets too messy for me yeah and then you end up loving how you did something and you compromise you write a weak line just because you want that bounce so i try i prefer to have the words written before i go in the booth yep and a lot of my songs are one take like first time i laid it down because it was so it was practiced before I got in there yeah how long so it doesn't take you that long to record a song depends if it's going most good songs don't take long because you're not getting in the way of there's no self-doubt flooding it like it's just flowing and whatever sending it down to you you're vomiting it out instead of like oh I shouldn't say that oh they're not gonna like that oh they're gonna like this that's when you get stuck and you only have three lines and it's been two hours yeah but when it's gone it's just it's you can't stop it what is it like when you go into the studio i feel like so many people have like a certain vibe they need like are you do you have a lot of people in the studio do you have no one do you set a vibe do you like candles do you need certain snacks like what's i used to want to be alone i didn't want i didn't want people in there i thought i don't want to be judged yeah i want to be able to be someone to impress whether that's the producers in the room maybe i invite a girl through and you just activate your swag a little bit because you want to walk out of the booth and have those two people those four people be like yo you fucking yeah because they're a crowd of 10 000 people in that moment right so if you have someone to impress it goes a really long way i'm always impressed by people that can like i can write really intimate introspective stuff alone because i'm alone yeah but to make bangers like where i'm popping shit and it's compelling it has conviction i need an audience that's i i could see that like you almost start to flex a little bit more and like you'll go for stuff more you posture and you're like you you're trying to you know you trying to impress the person in the room and oftentimes they made the beat and so it's this exchange they play you the beat and they're like you gotta fuck this up and you're like i'm about to fuck this up for you you go in there you lay something you come out y 'all both listen to it And you start and it's like it's euphoric.

44:45All you want in that because there's no one else there. All you want in that moment is the people you're with to be like, you killed that. That's fire. You might write based on who's there because, you know, they'll like if I do this. I'm so happy for you. I feel like why I love doing this is because like as much as we joke, like getting to know you, being younger, running through the streets, like giving your mixtapes out, handing people CDs. like it's cool to see someone that always knew what they wanted to do and then doing it even if you don't have like the biggest stage and like still running with it and then to get to where you are now and seeing your success like thank you congratulations it's really cool you strike me as somebody that's very driven and knows what they want to so i appreciate that thank you thank you um what should fans expect to see from you next i'm active i'm i'm i'm feeling good i can't to lie i'm ready to keep coming i ain't going on hiatus i'll say that yeah uh-huh more coming oh yeah i think we want that i'm hungry i know we want that i'm hungry i'm very i'm very hungry i can tell i have a chip on my shoulder and you should keep it that way i will for as long as i can it's gonna be sitting there i'm really excited to see what comes next for your career this new song is amazing obviously we all want another album tours all the good things but for now we will take the song and i love it thank you i really do thank you it's such a vibe i've been listening to it like an annoying amount that's wonderful yeah yeah that's what i need jack thank you so it's been a pleasure i'm not just saying it's fun right it's been fun thank you thank you for taking it easy on me lucky you didn't really give me a choice but i didn't want to like disrespect you and like push you too much that's nice of you thank you thank you for coming on call our daddy thanks for having me we did it we did it that wasn't that bad right that was wonderful that was fun that's a hit that's a hit