Julia Fox: Kanye West, Dominatrix, & Uncut Gems (FBF)

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy.

0:14Julia Fox, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you for having me. How was your weekend? My weekend was pretty, well, it's like when I'm not traveling, I have just like more work to do at home. So it's like never, it's just like always constantly work, work, work. So when you're in New York, you're kind of like almost on work mode and then you're trying to travel. Yeah, and mommy mode like full time. Congratulations. Thank you. So incredible. So you were just working. Although I think I did see on a little site that you were at Paul's baby. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was like my sister's birthday. So, um, shout out Richie and we went to, um, Emilio's and then we went to Paul's baby, which is funny.

1:00Like I haven't been there in like literally 10 years or something. Like I used to go all the time. It's like my neighborhood club and it was funny like I walked in and like the DJ started playing like Kanye West and like all these like really excited white boys were like rapping all the lyrics like really passionately and it was it was like really an experience it was cool probably a different experience than the last time you were there and then now you're there like singing a song in your face yeah like okay everybody calm down I know white boys relax yeah it was amazing though

1:49what is a normal day for you like I want to know like you woke up today like what did you do like what is your day I mean I immediately like just tend to my son so it's like brush teeth breakfast breakfast, bath, play. Then after a couple hours, I'll put him down for a nap. And that's when like my day begins. So then it's like, okay, then I'll shower and like brush my teeth and answer my emails and like just pretty much get to work. But other than that, it's like, like my son is always like my number one, like, and everything's always kind of just built around his schedule. That's kind of I can focus on myself.

2:29Your birthday is on Wednesday. Yeah. Happy early birthday. Thank you. What are your birthday plans? I think we're going to go to Lucien. Yeah. Cause I've grown up, I grew up with Zach who's Lucien's son. RIP Lucien. Um, and, um, yeah, I had my son's birthday there. It's just like easy. Do you, is it going to be a big party? I think so. Have you picked your outfit no we're not there yet you're not I don't know maybe my stylists have something have been working on something but I don't know I haven't seen it yet well you've been like iconic recently in the fashion game who are you loving as a designer right now um besides Kanye yeah I mean you can say Kanye I respect it I mean I love Daniel at Schiaparelli a lot um Glenn Martins at Diesel and JPG which I also love um I love Wang as well um Vivian Westwood so you're not planning like your outfits like too far in advance I mean Julia it's Monday you have no birthday outfit yeah no I but everything's kind of like that with me okay so you're kind of just like a fly by the side of your pants gal yes like everything's last minute and and we're just kind of winging it and pulling it together and like like even that eyeliner moment like that was like we just decided like let's like try it and see if it looked like you know what I mean it wasn't like planned out like everything's just how did you feel about that that everyone was like whoa what fuck people hated it I loved it I just like wanted it more bigger smudgier like I don't know I just feel like I'm so over like seeing the perfect contouring and and the like perfect lashes like it's like I want to be real I want to be just be more like just real and and I don't want to be perfect and I don't want I don't need everyone to like me I'm not here for that you know I feel like it was such a bold choice and even though people were like shitting on it everyone was talking about it and then no and then I like Chanel did their eye makeup that you know what I mean similarly in that way and then I saw it in other places as well and it's like that's fucking cool was everyone around you hyping you up and then it was just the internet shitting on you like everyone's like oh my god it looks so good yeah in person everyone was gagging and loved it and then on the internet obviously people hated it but it's like that's when you know you did something good when everyone shits on it no dude I didn't want to different yes I've done that semi before but not as exaggerated and I got so much shit on my picture and I was kind of like fuck off I was trying something different like yeah let me live I know people are so fucking rude on the internet okay it's I didn't know how bad it was until recently yeah and now do you read the comments sometimes like like very rare like I don't google anything I don't read the headlines like I never see anything yeah um but occasionally obviously I do see it you know it's impossible not to but I just laugh like it doesn't really affect me I don't care are there any ones that do affect you if someone says something about my kid I'll block them love yeah yeah other than that like not really I don't care I love New York I used to live here I moved to LA so I miss it and I'm so happy when I'm back what neighborhood makes you feel most at home um I would have to say the East Village just because I probably spent the most years cumulatively there and I went to high school there and just like downtown in general but I also have like a lot of like PTSD from the East Village as well you know what I mean why it's like the most yeah like every block I'm like oh like that happened there like oh you got in a fight here like whatever like it's everything's like a reminder of like high school it's like the worst time ever it's I my first apartment was in Lower East Side and I feel the same way I'll like see a street and be like don't look yeah that's the street they vomited on fuck but it's also kind of like okay so east village is your place definitely i saw this tiktok and i was like dying for it so someone was like okay we're gonna play marry fuck kill but with new york neighborhoods and i can go first because i was like okay this is actually funny i feel like i would kill murray hill sorry definitely okay yeah okay then i would fuck West Village maybe and then marry Tribeca okay yeah that's that's pretty accurate okay I would either marry Upper East Side or Tribeca love yeah who would you kill

7:11I mean Murray Hill is pretty spot on because you know you lived here yeah so you get it like yeah it's like what is that I know there's like a theater there like a movie theater what's going on and then that's it like I'm not really sure yeah like honestly probably that or like yeah yeah yeah because every other neighborhood has something redeemable that's like it's Manhattan it's New York you know like totally and then Murray Hill you're like like literally the movie theater I don't know I agree how do you think growing up in New York City affected how quickly you matured? Well, I think it definitely affected how quickly I matured, because at a very young age, I was exposed to a lot of adult situations, just leaving the house, you know what I mean?

8:00You just are going to see it. So I think like the exposure and then also not really being monitored properly, and then kind of just being curious and also kind of fearless and just wanting to see the world and wanting to go have experiences and go live my life yeah because you're so your parents were divorced and you were no they're actually still married but your dad lived in but they don't they've never lived in the same country so it's like a weird like I don't know my my mom's Italian she's like doesn't really like America like she likes Italy and like wants to stay there and and my dad like just didn't I don't know it just didn't really work out so you weren't you didn't have like how would you describe did you have any supervision growing up really in New York no just a flat no you're like absolutely not no and so he tried like my dad like there were times like when it would be like really getting out of control where he would try like I remember one time but like but that's the thing it's like when you grow up with like just your dad it's like such a different home environment like I remember one time he literally slept in the chair like one of those recliner chairs in front of the door the front door so that I wouldn't leave and I just climbed out my window I lived on the second floor and we had a fire escape so I just climbed out the fire escape and then at like 10 a.m.

9:27I like came knocking it wasn't 10 a.m. because he was still sleeping in the chair as I'm knocking it was probably like 7 a.m. or something and I'm knocking and he like woke up and he was actually more impressed and like laugh and like thought it was funny that I still found what you know he was just like how did you do it how did you do it and I was just like I have my ways like don't ask like you know so like grounding you would never work no no like the most maybe they would do is like take my phone away but then it's like I don't care you know let's go out yeah then you won't be able to reach me even more so like you know how old were you when you first went clubbing like proper clubbing maybe like 14 so how did you get an id oh my god we literally um my friend alex um she like printed them like herself like laminated so like it was so like they were so bad like that was actually my first fake id but then obviously we ended up figuring it out but and we would just use that and like they were so clearly fake but I think it's like you see like slutty like picture the girl like the two girls in the movie 13 like you get like that vibe and it's like you're gonna let them in the hot under yeah no like I had braces and they were letting me in girl go ahead sweetie you definitely look 27 yeah yeah um when did you first experiment with drugs um probably in in like middle school like sixth or seventh grade was it just because you found them through like friends um it I think the first drugs that I ever tried was weed and it was actually my friend's mom who who had it and it was like very casual in their household to to to just smoke weed together and and pass it around and then that's kind of when where I started smoking weed like a lot like every day that was like seventh grade do you still smoke weed yeah did you ever get in trouble with like the law growing up definitely tell us yeah oh my gosh so much I was actually on probation for like three years and and that really like saved my life in a way because for the first time it was like I'm grounded do you know what I mean and and and I I remember my first drug test on probation came back positive for marijuana.

12:01And it was like this big thing about like, am I going to go to prison for a year? Like, what is my probation officer going to do? And then she just like gave me some drug, really intense drug program that I needed to do. And that was it. But it was like, you know, a lot of situations like that where like I, it was like a by miracle that like it didn't, it didn't end up worse for me. But I really honestly credit like Miss Cortez, my probation officer, because, you know, like she really made sure that I, you know, and she even she even said she was like, I know your type. She was like, I know you're manipulative.

12:38I know you're a liar. Yeah. And I was so sweet and cute and blah, blah. And she could see right through me. Yeah. And that was really like difficult. I mean, that was it was like, oh, fuck. OK, I'm really going to have to do this now because she can see. Yeah. It's not someone I can bullshit. No. When you say you were like manipulating and lying, like was it mostly to adults? Yeah, any authority figure. Not to my friends or anything, just like any type of authoritative situation. What were you on probation for? That time, that was like credit card stuff and it was grand larceny and a bunch of other type.

13:15It was just a bunch of really big things and we were like indicted and me and my best friend, who is actually one of my stylists now. And she was my co-defendant. And we had to go to, I think it was the Supreme Court. I honestly can't even remember because I would literally show up high on ecstasy from the night before and sometimes miss court too and not show up at all. It was like that was the type of shit I was on. I really didn't care what happened to me. And I didn't care about my future. When was the first time you got in trouble with the law? Like the first time probably like in middle school, like running away from home, getting picked up, like stuff like that.

13:56Like nothing really like serious. Like maybe like we're at a party, they're kicking us out. Like little things like that. The first time I was arrested, arrested, I think I was like stealing from like, it might have been like Bloomingdale's. Like I know I got arrested stealing of Bloomingdale's, but it might have been somewhere else. but I'm pretty sure it was Bloomingdale's this time. So then when you were indicted, that was like kind of the cattle. Well, it was amazing though, because then years later, I ended up doing a campaign for Bloomingdale's. And as I come in, they're like, come and check in through the side entrance and they wanted my ID.

14:30And I was like, oh my God, they're going to search in the system that I'm banned here. Because the actual campaign was in the store. And it was so funny. But it was like really full circle, you know. You're like, now I'm giving back. Yeah. I'm paying my dues. Yeah. Okay, fuck off. Well, so you ended up getting in. You were fine. Yeah, no, it was fine. Yeah. So when did you start supporting yourself financially and why? As like as a teenager, like pretty young, I remember like always wanting to work. Like I remember being like 16 and getting the right paperwork so that I could like work at a store or like like I always wanted to work.

15:09But, you know, I wasn't enough money to like support myself like independent like I wanted to be independent and um and and then I was kind of forced into a situation that I can't really go too deep in but I like was forced to be independent and it was like fuck like well you know I can't work I'm work at the pastry shop forever you know what I mean like that's not gonna cut it like I'm gonna need more money so I just went on Craigslist and I went on the adult section and everything was like sex you know like you know that type of vibe like be my slutty secretary like that and I was like like I don't know if I can do that like you know I was still like a kid I wasn't comfortable like to have sex with a stranger like I wasn't even comfortable to have sex with someone that I knew um so I saw an ad and it was like no sex um no nudity and can make up to a thousand something dollars a day or something like a whatever huge number to me I was like well this is the most money I've ever heard in my life um so obviously I just I went um and I met up with this like really um like kind of insane looking white guy with this like long black trench coat and he had me like write that like a sadistic, like, like BDSM fantasy and just like off the top, like write it.

16:31And I did. And he loved it. And he hired me on the spot. And then obviously, I roped him on my like BFF to come with me because I was like, I can't do this alone. And, and that was then to that and I was just naturally very good at it. Yeah. And then working there. I feel like it was really good for my self-esteem. I think I went in there like really not unsure of myself, like not really confident in who I, who I was. And I definitely left like knowing my worth. When you say you were dominatrix, I think so many people are like, actually don't even know what that means. Can you describe for someone that may not understand that?

17:09Like what is a dominatrix? Yeah. So it's kind of, it's like, you know, similar to a stripper, there's an establishment and it's called a dungeon and there's a few in Manhattan and in other parts of New York as well and it's legal and the specific dungeon that I worked at was like you would go downstairs into a basement and there'd be like all these different rooms and there was a medical room there was for like you know nurse type of doctor fantasy um there was um like a torture room um like another type of chamber like all these like a cross-dressing room a teaching room like a school room like just for any type of fantasy and then like um it's really like it's really like role-playing it's like acting it's it's role-playing and then um that's kind of how I would describe it like when people were like where did you get your start in acting I said well it's really like at the dungeon because I would have to improv like multiple times a day on very short notice like someone comes in they look at all the books of all the girls they might want to meet you in person and then that's it you have five minutes to get ready and they just kind of tell you really quickly what they're into and that's it then you figure it out and you have to wing it so you know like doing that that's like really good training if you do that all the time yeah you got to be like on your shit like you got to have to be on your shit yeah and to clarify for everyone you're not having sex with these people no okay no no no um because i feel like that's a misconception people yeah yeah well i mean listen it's not unheard of like there would be rumors of some girls that we would hear of um but that's like that's like i feel like in in the dominatrix world like I mean you know you need to remain in control and and I feel like the moment that you you have sex with your your what they're called slaves and in the in the BDSM community like when you have sex with them you're kind of putting them on your level in a way and like they need to know that they will never be worthy to have that like the the pussy they'll never be good enough for the pussy do you know what I mean like they could kiss my feet I could smother them maybe sit on their face like with my panties but they'll never ever be good enough for my vagina and like that's very important you know right to keep the boundary yeah so what types of fantasies did you like did were you like okay like you liked and what were someone that you were like I don't fuck with that like I don't like it as much I honestly liked all of them what was your favorite

19:46um what was my feet god there were so many but it was it was actually amazing because through doing this just for money yeah I ended up um kind of learning about my own sexuality which I'd never really had a chance to explore because it my sexuality was always kind of being used against me or like do you know what I mean or just I I was my sexuality was something to be guarded and protected not something to be like explored so in this very controlled environment I was also able to to explore my my own because there'd be times in a session where I'd be like oh damn like this is actually like horny as fuck like this is hot you know so it does happen right which one do you think you're the best at I mean just like body worshiping like stuff like stuff like that just like kiss my boots kiss my legs like like that type of stuff like tease and denial and you just like you just talk dirty to them the whole time yeah it's definitely a lot of verbal communication it's very mental this type of line of work you know that is really interesting to think about exploring your sexuality in such like a open way in like where it's so accepted probably there obviously like everyone is like being very vulnerable everyone's a freak and we know it so it's like I won't judge you you won't judge me and you know it's okay can anyone go there like yeah wow yeah anyone can just show up and go and I honestly recommend that you do it's really not that expensive it's like I think like 250 an hour or something um and remember to tip yeah because they take most of that 25 or 30 percent bitches what was your wardrobe like was it fire like what were you yes oh my god that's why it's like now everyone sees me like wearing latex and like pvc and all that shit but it's like dude i've literally i grew up in this shit like i came out the womb in the fucking latex like actually um yeah no the the fucking that the fits were insane like patent leather boots like like thigh high you know what i mean at all and most of them were gifts from clients oh yeah like we would really finesse like the 400 latex you know like the fucking so hot the really good shit what is your advice to anyone interested in working as a dominatrix um I really feel like the from the time that I spent there which was um a few years on and off I would say like the most successful doms that I saw they genuinely also were interested interested in what they were doing um like for me like I oh I remember even being little and my dad used to like make me have play dates with like the kids in my class who were like like maybe not as popular or something like he would just do that and it was fine like I didn't care but like I would like hang out with these like little boys and like boss them around and like make them like crawl around on their knees and like I would like get on their back and like ride them like and I was like and as I was working in the dungeon and and men would ask me to do things I'd be like oh my god like this is totally like like I'm sure the kids that I did that to they probably like fantasize like have these similar fantasies like some guy was like um he wanted to be dressed like a girl and like pretend that we were like brother and sister and I was like damn I used to dress my brother up like a girl like fuck like you don't think he's now into the shit too or something you know it's like you kind of like connect the dots and and figure out no that makes sense it's like there's a niche space of like people that really succeed are the ones that actually like take it to heart and you're like I am enjoying this and I want to do this you need to believe authentic you really need to like believe in what in what you're doing because otherwise it's gonna like you're just it's a lot it's a lot of on on someone's mental health what are some of the risks of working as a dominatrix um that you might never get out of it yeah did you feel that um there were moments where I was like oh my god you know I would see the older girls but specifically like one older girl like she had um actually gone to the same high school as me we had the same advisor 10 years prior right right so and I was like damn I wonder if I'm gonna be here like you know in 10 years um but like she's still fabulous and amazing it's not a bad thing but like you know I obviously wanted more yeah did you were clients ever like creepy like did it ever were you ever like scared like that they would like what how is it scary I mean sorry no you're good there there definitely were moments where I was like oh my god this person's really creepy and scary and I would just like run out and just tell the manager and then she and then she'd fucking handle it and she was like oh a scary like 300 pound Ukrainian woman who like you don't want to fuck out yeah she was like gonna handle it yeah did you get any ideas of how to perform from porn no I actually never even watched fetish porn prior to this like it was once I got into it that then I started Googling and I was like okay so like let me see how that how they do it you know totally but I was really just kind of going off like instinct like I could just figure it you can just figure it out it's not rocket science you know like what kind of porn are you now into and like what turns you on about it I'm into like weirdly like like partner like swapping and then like watching or something so like foursomes yeah like more like that vibe right now like cuckolding shit yeah yeah like I'm I could totally like I've never done it it's like so out yeah like in my other relationships I feel like um like I don't I don't know I've always been so jealous and so possessive and in all my relationships and I really like I don't want to be like that in in the future you know so but it is hot like I I feel like when you see your partner yeah that jealousy in a way if it's controlled does turn you on yeah especially if you know like your partner really like if you if they know they love you and then like they're doing it to turn you on then that's hot it's so hot and it creates like this different type of energy I've been the same I've never done it with my partner but I've always said like I feel like it would be hot to watch him with another girl yeah but I'm like fuck if it actually happened would i like what i know how what i feel in the moment but i honestly think like in the moment we'd probably be able to handle it really well that's what i've always said on my show like i think it's just establishing some type of boundary prior because if you go into it blind and then the key is doing something you're like wait don't do that like what the fuck are you guys cuddling after you guys just fucking fucked like what's going on yeah

27:09you eventually were invested in a nightclub yeah how did being in kind of that nightlife elevate your experience in New York when you were younger well the nightclub came about because I was dating someone whose passion was to open a nightclub so he asked me for money and I was like okay that's like what happened um then he ended up attacking me and after we broke up because obviously I'm like well we're broken up but I'm still gonna come here because I still put money in this place and you didn't even put any money in this place so um I'm still gonna come with all my friends and drink for free and I was doing that one night and he got really jealous and he attacked me and it became like a really really big deal and it and it was kind of before the like me to like movement like you know and I was like hey like this happened to me and like in a room full of people like people literally saw it happen and there was still question about whether like if I initially instigated it because I had had this reputation of being kind of like a loose cannon I guess right but it's not I'm not a loose cannon like I just speak up for myself and I speak up when I see something's fucked up or unfair and so it was like really like the first time that I was like wow you know because I would always hear stories of women that come forward and then like nobody believes them and I was like yeah but that would never happen to me like everyone would believe me and no like it was very much like divided like who like who was on whose side and in that moment like I was like felt so betrayed by like my own city like it was like a full like collective like betrayal so I just left and it was like the best thing I could have ever done you want to speak up and then when you're not believed you question everything of like what if this happened again now I probably wouldn't speak up next time and that like breeds such an unhealthy culture well that that actually happened something else happened involving like a very prominent person and like I didn't say anything because I was like now that's just gonna look like I'm this out unhinged like well I'll just keep it to myself but I did suffer like emotional damage from that like I was like unwell for like a few months do you ever think you would speak about it or no no because it's like if that person was still out and able to hurt people then yes but he's not so it's fine you know it's like what is that I don't need more like totally yeah drama um how did also being immersed in the club scene affect your alcohol and drug intake um I don't Like not so much because my drug use was always very like, um, like alone or like with one or two other people.

29:59Do you know what I mean? Like it was always very like private and like more, um, I don't know. It just, it wasn't like if, if when I was out partying, it was like still fun. It was like, you know what I mean? Like it wasn't like cute. Yeah. It was like cute. It was dark. Yeah. It wasn't dark. Yeah. yeah like my drug use was not fun like in that way so you talked about were you referencing when you were like and then I just got out of there is that when you went to Louisiana yeah so for people that don't know the story you pack up you leave New York City you go to Louisiana and I had yeah and I had a fashion line too with my best friend and I like fully was like I can't even do this anymore like I like actually I signed I signed it over to her name and like pretty much just left like packed up my shit and left and and went to the south and then I was there with like a few of my friends and um my friend Richie sent me a camera for Christmas and then we I ended up taking some photos and then an art show was born and then more shows and books and and that like art journey kind of happened and I definitely feel like more glad that that I kind of segued more into art because I feel like I really had to express myself and I wasn't doing it in a really authentic way through fashion because I felt like I was kind of pretending to be someone I wasn't totally did you feel going from such the juxtaposition of New York City to Louisiana and like being a city girl and then going to the south were you lonely like did you have any romantic relationships um no I wasn't lonely because I went there with my really good friend Harmony and then I already knew two people down there Jack and John who were in this band Salem that's really dope and um so I I like knew people there and Jack's actually the reason why I even ever went down there and it was like I was such a city girl like I really only knew like LA New York Miami and then like Europe and you know what I mean like I didn't I was so ignorant and I had never been anywhere I'd never really seen anything so the first time going to Louisiana I was like Like, oh, my God, like real life, real people, like people that like go out at night not to be like photographed, but like just to hang out with their friends.

32:16Like, wow. You know what I mean? Like, and I was really, really drawn to that. And in that process, I really like I remember like I got rid of all my like nice clothes and like I just really got rid of like all that stuff that I allowed to find me for so many years. you know just always like like on the hunt for like money you know like always money money money like because I didn't grow up with money so I was always like in financial insecurity like you know and I was I just I kind of in that moment let go of all of that part of the art you created in Louisiana was taking photos of people using heroin what inspired you to take those photos?

32:58You know, at the time it didn't really feel like a big deal because heroin had been such a major part of my life. Um, that I just kind of didn't like now when I see the photo, it, it, it like, I am more affected by it. I'm like, Ooh, you know, graph it. Like, I don't want to look at it. I look away. But at the time I was so numb to anything about drugs or guns or anything like that. It didn't seem like a big deal. Were you using heroin at the time? On and off. Yeah. When was the first time you tried heroin? I think I was like in high school. Yeah, I was in high school because it was before I graduated.

33:41How did that affect you? I was actually, I remember this guy, Mario. Sorry. Shout out Mario. But I know he's definitely not, that was so long ago like I'm sure he's not doing this anymore I hope but he I met him at a party and I like didn't have a phone and he he gave me like a like two little wax baggies and um and then I forgot how he ended up getting in touch with me or like I got in touch with him but it was very much like he knew that I would get in touch with him type of thing like he gave it to me because he knew that I'd be calling and it was like pretty much like that and I and at the time none of my other friends were doing it um so I was like doing it in secret and I would just like kind of put it on like a blunt that I was just gonna like smoke to the face or something and like not share I remember like they'd ask me and I would just be like no like yeah because they didn't know and I was being such a bitch um and then I remember like I I then I was like okay I'm I'm like over it like I'm done now and then I got sick and I was like damn like I have a cold like I didn't even know like the withdrawals and the things like I didn't I didn't understand that I was really playing with fire so it's like a miracle that I don't like I haven't done in very very long and I highly don't recommend it especially now with the fentanyl and everything in it it's like like my best friend died um at the end of 2019 from a fentanyl overdose and and that was like like I had been sober prior but then like that was like really the like this like if I even have a thought it's like very quickly wiped out like I just think of her and it's like over like I'm just I just know in my heart like I'm just never gonna do that again I'm so sorry what was rock bottom moment for you that then there's so many rock bottom it's like you'd think one was the rock bottom but then it's like it gets worse um I would probably have to say like overdosing was probably a rock bottom um who found you when you overdosed well there's been a few but the last one like the like really bad one it was like on my birthday and and it was really sad because like my sister was there and like she was sober and like the whole party was ruined because I literally like fell over in front of the whole party yeah it was really bad and that was like a very awakening moment and and I really credit her for saving my life because she at 19 years old had the foresight to be like you know what I'm gonna go get sober and like join AA and like really do it and like she's still sober to this day so and if it wasn't from her being sober and then like showing me like take like she would drag me to meetings and I would just be like on my phone like not you know like not paying attention and then one day it it took so wow that's amazing to have people in your life that are like there for you it's like we're gonna keep trying until it yeah that's why like she's with me today on this journey and and like that's bam forever you know how much are you younger older we're actually like a couple months apart yeah oh she's not like my biological sister yeah yeah yeah yeah she's my friend but she's my sister basically like blood yeah got it when and how did you meet the father of your child and how did your relationship evolve I met him at the Carlisle through Zach who owned Lucien and um but I think we had actually met when we were teenagers I'm older than him though he was like 14 and I was maybe like 17 and I remember thinking like oh he's hot but he's really young yeah like I literally remember that happening and then um and then yeah we met again and it was like love at first sight he had a girlfriend I like tried to hit on him and he said no I have a girlfriend and I liked that that he turned me down and I liked that he was loyal but then they broke up a few months later he called me obviously it rest is history um he actually came to the wrap party of Uncut Gems so this wasn't even the movie wasn't even out yet comes to the wrap party we were literally together every day after that and then we got married like one later in Vegas yeah with like the Elvis Presley impersonator and and all of that and it was really really fun until it wasn't right like it was incredible and then it wasn't yeah and then it was a nightmare how did your relationship change once you had your son um it had changed prior to that yeah there were issues prior I think um And suddenly like all the attention from uncut gems happened.

38:28And then suddenly guys are in my DMs and I'm traveling a lot. And now I'm busier than I used to be and not as available. And also like just not as patient. Like I'm tired now. I don't want to, you know, like just be like easy to be around. Do you know what I mean? Like please. And it just wasn't really working out that way. But he really like, obviously he's not perfect. I'm not perfect. Like, obviously, we were drawn to each other for a reason. Totally. But he's actually, like, one of the most, like, genuine people I know. Wow. Like, really, like, what you see is what you get. Like, not, like, he's, I don't, I can't really describe it, but it's definitely, it's something that, a quality that Kanye has as well.

39:18Just being so genuine, like, almost childlike in a way. just like so honest so blunt like and and I'm really drawn to that like I like people that are just transparent yeah within the last few days of 2021 you posted an Instagram story you're like I already know what you're gonna say that read have you seen this is the deadbeat dad you're like fuck you don't read it do you care if I read it just anyone that didn't hear it it's fine yeah I I definitely called him a deadbeat dad well because he had blocked my number for like a month at that point and I was just like fuming and and I didn't know that he had been paying my rent how did you not know that girl I just wasn't paying it I was like I was like I'll let it pile up and then I'll just write because it's like why can't they like it just do it electronically it's so much easier it's like what to mail a check yes they want me to mail a check girl I haven't seen my checkbook since 2008 I don't even have okay you know where it is yeah exactly like that's why they're not getting their fucking rent anyway so I was just like and but also the landlord is my friend okay so it's fine like I'm just not getting evicted not sure why but like living for this yeah exactly like it's it was on my list of priorities it was like number six like I have so many other like things that are like so much more dire to think about so I was just like it's fine so I didn't even know that so in my head I was like oh he's like not helping physically but he's also not even helping financially and and that's what set me up because if if he wasn't helping physically but then he was sending money I would have at least been like okay he does want to be in his son's life but he just needs to take a break and I'm angry about it but I understand because the breakup was really hard and we obviously had still a lot of feelings for each other um so I understand him needing that but obviously I wish I knew that information because I definitely don't think I would have reacted in that way and then did he tell you no thought my landlord did yeah and you're like no he actually didn't even text me or call me or like say take it down or anything I know you then he's a very like noble man he was like I'm just not even gonna engage which which kind of made me even more mad I know because honestly if he had just texted and been like take it down I would have been like okay yeah sorry okay well so the fall Although you did say you regretted it.

41:43I do regret it. I mean, listen, I didn't lie. Right. You know what I mean? Right. But obviously, I did take things out of context to intentionally make someone look bad. Yes, I did. Totally. You know, if we want to paint the full picture, it's like, no, he actually is really great and has these other amazing qualities. But it's like, you know, fuck. I just shouldn't have said anything to begin with. Are you on good terms now? Yes, very, very. And he's been super supportive. And I've been having to travel a lot. So he's been helping, which is great because they get to like make up a lot of time that they haven't spent together in the last two months.

42:16So yeah, so it's actually worked out perfectly.

42:35you added actress to your resume three years ago when you starred in uncut gems with adam sandler and you played a role that was based on yourself the name was even julia were the filmmakers your friends like why did they build this character for you yeah the filmmakers were um friends of mine and they'd been working on this um project for many years like I think like 10 years or something before it came out so for like 10 years or something they'd been telling me like this movie this character like and they asked me for like what would you do if you were in a fight with your boyfriend like how would you get him to like you know what I mean like just asking me that type of shit and then I was like all right like I see what's happening here like oh you know and then I obviously like got on the phone and we we developed her and her name was actually originally Sadie but Adam Sandler's daughter's name Sadie so so they and they were trying to find a name but like nothing else but it was like it was just supposed to be Julia yeah what aspect of your personality do you think was best portrayed in the character I think the like humor and the like just like no fucks given type of attitude.

43:46Definitely. Yeah. OK. Are the rumors true? Will you be playing Madonna in her biopic? No, I wish. I'm like, Julia, can you sing? I wish. No, I can. I can definitely like get down with some karaoke and like I have some range, but I definitely not Madonna's range. No, I actually auditioned to play Debbie Mazar, her BFF. who I'm obsessed with and people have been comparing me to her my entire life yeah so I mean but you know she's gonna audition a million girls like you know high chance I probably won't even get it like it's just the industry's like that it's totally you know it's nothing personal um whoever yeah but I gave it my best shot so I love it yeah okay rumor has it you're dating someone new have you guys put a label on it I mean I call him my boyfriend and he calls me his girlfriend yeah but there was never ever like an official conversation no don't you love when that just happens all day you're like I think you're my boyfriend yeah yeah it just it just happened and and um and it felt very just like very organic and like not even like crazy or anything just very natural do you remember the first thing he said to you ever in life yeah sup it's yay I think it was like something like that yeah yeah he like got my number through a mutual friend what was your first impression of him super magnetic like very attractive like like not I don't even mean it like he's attractive physically but I mean also just like like the vibe is very like attractive right you know what I mean like you you at least for me like I felt like I wanted to gravitate toward you know what I mean like it was very like when that happens like like oh my god you're like that person has something.

45:35An aura. Yeah. They just glow. They radiate an energy and he definitely has a very, very special, unique, like one of a kind energy. After your first meeting in Miami, you have this like whirlwind 24 hour like moment. And then like, how did you guys leave it before you went to New York? Oh my gosh. I was only supposed to go there for the night and then I was supposed to fly back the next day. We ended up staying like three or four extra days. Um, and it was like we were on the Kanye workout plan like we got to work we were like okay you know we're we're gonna do this like if I'm gonna be seen with you like I need to you know step it up a little bit just because I'm late like I'm a little lazy that's just a thing it's a fact you know yeah so I definitely do need to be like nudged a little bit and like pushed out of my comfort zone and I love that because I don't think anyone has been able to succeed in that because I'm stubborn and I'm gonna you know I'm gonna wear the things that I'm comfortable in and it's like you know and I have my insecurities and no one else sees and like you know what I mean when he doesn't see them so he just like you know what I mean so it's cool to see myself through his eyes for anyone who lives under a rock or didn't read interview magazine you detailed this like lavish second date in New York City can you indulge us and just kind of like walk us through the night yeah um we went to we went to see Slave Play and Jeremy O 'Harris's play that was amazing then we went to Carbone and then after Carbone we went back to the pantry where his suite was and I just thought we were gonna go and like just hang out like play Uno or something he really likes uno i just thought we were gonna do that and i walk in and like all the furniture in the hotel room has been like pushed into the bedroom and like there's all these racks like lining all the walls and it was like like a fucking dream and it's also just like the thought behind it and like he had also just landed at like earlier in the evening so it was like how did he even you know what I mean but he makes it happen that's that's and then he did something for me in LA as well he like turned this big warehouse space space into like like a really cool like restaurant kind of vibe yeah for me and my friends and like that was really nice and and Naomi Campbell was there and yeah yeah so like just really iconic moments that he's he does for me have you ever felt in these moments like a little overwhelmed no why do you think I don't know I'm just like grown and like also I I grew up in New York City I grew up around celebrities I'm you know what I mean I know how to like and also I really feel like I've like earned my my place to be there do you know what I mean like obviously I'm not on their level and I'm not saying I am but I feel like I've like put in the work and like I can hang yes I can hang definitely definitely everyone's like oh look at her now like she's at dinner with madonna it's like well actually i set up that dinner and i invited kanye you know what i mean oh my god yeah so it's like obviously people it looks a certain way but people don't know the conversations happening behind the scenes and like no i've been around i you know what i mean i've absolutely yeah on your podcast you talk about how people were kind of like calling it love bombing almost of how extravagant things have gotten why do you not consider it love bombing um because he doesn't have like um like a shady ulterior motive right which I think is like super crucial in the love bombing element because you know in a typical narcissistic like relationship in that way it's like you get love bombed and then you get isolated and then you get like you know what I mean and it's like no actually like my friends are now with me 24 7 because they're hired and it's like do you know what I mean like he's not trying to like have me to keep me from like lock me wait no he wants me to be the best version of myself like that is always the conversation always like how am I going to be live up to my full potential which I think is like amazing so would you because everyone's Like, would you consider yourself Ye's muse?

50:02Yeah, a little. Maybe. What does it even mean? To no one that's ever been. Because I remember you were like, this is not the first time. Yeah. What is a muse? I mean, I was Josh Safdie's muse when he wrote Uncut Jazz. Right. Do you know what I mean? Like, things like that. Like, I think people make it seem a little more dramatic than it is. Totally. You know what I mean? It's not like Van Gogh, like, type of. Yes. He just, he wants to dress me right now. Yes. I think that's kind of what it is. Is there anything that you know, like you're inspiring him with? Like you say like he's. Yeah. I think it's, it's very mutual.

50:38Like I am definitely an ideas person. I always have like crazy, like out there ideas. And so does he, and I love telling him my ideas and, and like, we know we, we get excited over each other's like weird thing. You know, it's, it's definitely mutual for sure. what do you guys disagree on he that one of the makeup looks he'd actually went and tried to draw like a sunglass line and i think that was like the only time where i literally was like no this is where i put my foot down oh my god i would be like absolutely fucking not no but then i actually online i like randomly saw an image of that makeup and it didn't it didn't look that bad actually like a full sunglass yeah and I was like you know what I I need to like when he's doing something just let him execute the vision because it might actually be cool because a lot of times I've been like oh my god what is he doing what he's doing and then it's fucking awesome I would have never thought of this and that like never happens for me so it's really cool to meet someone that like does something that I really would have never thought of doing you know what do you say to people who claim this is not a real relationship I mean time will tell you'll see for you yeah to see yeah the tabloids and social media are always comparing women I know and you keep getting compared to his ex why do you think they're doing that um well we've worn some of like the similar look right um which I knew at the time of wearing them I knew that Kim had worn it previously but I thought it was cool that she had worn it right she's iconic yeah like it wasn't even a thing but it is unfortunate because um you know women are always just being pitted against each other and and obviously like you know there's 10 years of history that they have prior and like I I'm not gonna you know I don't want to ever like step out step out of line and like speak on something that like I have no place speaking on like when someone was like oh they're both wearing Balenciaga I'm like wait can yeah we can't all wear that well if anything I feel like the conversation should be like wow it's amazing to see how heavily influenced Kim was by Kanye yeah you know what I mean if anything I feel like that's kind of what that shows but obviously people want to run with the more like nastier like narrative and it's so immature and make people feel bad and it's like actually I had a fashion line um and and the the Kardashians actually sold it at their store dash and wore it on magazines and in the show.

53:13So it's like, there's ties. I have my history of fashion as well. I didn't just like pop out of nowhere. You know what I mean? Celebrities wore all my, Nicki Minaj wore my clothes, like everyone, you know? So like, yeah. How do you describe the style that you're showcasing to the world right now? It's, I'm giving like dominatrix, like couture, which I love. Which I love. And it feels like, you know, familiar and like say like I've been there before like I've been there so they look like they've been wearing the same outfits for like four months or whatever and they keep saying you guys like what do you say to that I mean I think about re-wearing the same like I'd rather wear the same outfit a bunch of times than like wear the wrong outfit once so yes also everyone look inward how many times do you re-wear an outfit yeah like just because you're getting papped it's not like you're like we're still real people like yeah you're like these are my favorite I actually just sent out my laundry today for the first time in like a month so congratulations to me do you think kanye's boots are sexy i love the boots have you ever tried them on no i haven't they're so iconic i know i should try them on actually no they are i love it they look like an action figure or like a video game character or something which i love that vibe so i know you mentioned like getting jealous and with how much the media is like he wants her back like he was fighting for her like how did have you had jealousy moments where you're like oh this is icky no not really um I mean I'm sure I'm listen I'm I'm sure there's still some sort of residual feelings and it's like it's normal it's human you know but I also like know that he's with me now so and that's all that matters have you guys talked about your future together like yes it's a there's a lot of like us and we conversations which is really nice um but no like I said everything is very on a whim last minute like pack up we're going here now we're going you know what I mean so I we're not I'm like can't even get past like next week let alone like just having fun yeah totally has he given you any career advice definitely definitely yeah like that's like all he does right like do you feel like you're now in a great way kind of like taking a different trajectory or you're just like amplifying what you wanted to do I'm gonna amplify what I already wanted to do I definitely still want to act and I definitely still want to produce and write and direct and do my own projects and like that's really where I see myself falling eventually um but right now I just really want to act yeah yeah with all the media attention around you what is something you've had to change this year about your life nothing really yeah I don't think so yeah does it give you anxiety when you're photographed no no you're just like fuck yeah no I like I like I was even I even like took this I take the subway still like what's a misconception about you that I'm a gold digger yeah because it's like yes I have dated rich men but like they pursued me first okay and secondly I've also like dated and like been fully madly in love with straight bums where fully they were living off of me like you know what I mean and I was the sugar mama type of situation so you know it's it's just it's really about the person you know it's not I don't at the end of the day like no amount of money is going to make me like actually have feelings for someone or actually want to spend time with someone if I'm spending time with you it's because I've like genuinely really like you totally you're one of the first people I feel like recently that's like actually getting some like positive media attention from like random comments being like good for her like let her live her life which is exciting I feel like in media to see like a little positive turn yeah fucking shitting on every woman when they start dating a man yeah and it's like so negative I think it's refreshing because it's like it's I feel like such an interesting choice for him yeah um and an unexpected choice why I don't know like I feel like I would have never expected him to like you yeah although I had actually been asked to do some Yeezy campaigns and shows like a couple times throughout the years and it just never really worked out like I wanted to do it but it was like scheduling conflicts and I just or I wasn't in town so like there you know and there would have been other opportunities for us to have met but I really feel like you know timing is everything and it just had to have been now because if he had met me prior I would have been with my husband and I'm like super loyal so there would have been not even I wouldn't have even looked in his direction honestly what is next for you like have your goals shifted like what do you want people to think of Julia Fox in like five years ten years I really want my work to speak for itself um you'll definitely still be seeing me in my fashion looks I'm definitely committed to that um but I definitely a lot of movies a lot of writing um I'm working on a book project right now I'm developing a series and I'm writing a movie which I already like kind of technically sold I'm still whatever it's complicated yeah but so it's kind of it's like I'm already I'm still doing my things that I already had planned pre-planned pre-Kanye yeah pre-a um so no and I just thank you for sitting down with me because it's so nice to hear you like in long form speak like people see things on social media and pictures but when you get to sit down with someone like you're so warm and nice and genuine and normal as crazy as your life is right now and I think people will hear that in this episode and that's like really what I want to convey is like I'm just like a normal girl and like I don't um and I yeah I'm just a regular fucking regular degular bitch right love it love it regular bitch Julia Fox thank you oh and also um I did yes plug um and if you guys want to hear more like weekly tea and stuff like you can and we interview a lot of really amazing guests as well on our podcast also on Spotify called Forbidden fruits.

59:39So check it out. If you guys want to hear me again. Love you, bitch. Thank you.