Kathy Hilton: Don’t Push Little Hunky Dory

0:02what is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy kathy hilton welcome to call her daddy thank you okay for having me oh my god i am like honored to be here with you today you are iconic you are do you know that you know that well i feel like that word's thrown around so much but it's true it's really true um did you tell paris you were coming today yes in fact i was texting with her last night and then she called this morning and I said, do you like her? She goes, I love her. Okay. Do you call your daughters like before you agree to do something and like ask them their opinion usually or no?

0:48Yes. I would say yes. When it comes to, I don't do a lot of podcasts. I was in Europe when I got the invitation. And so do you know Cade Hudson? Yes. Cade's one of my best, best friends. He's like, you are doing this yeah and then my friend mark mullet do you know mark no he's like you're doing this and he was on the boat i love her she's great blah blah blah blah so everyone on the boat is like team caller daddy that's good to know they loved it thank you guys okay great um okay so have you ever gone and done something that nikki and paris were like mom do not fucking do that why are you doing it?

1:31And you did it anyways. Yes. Okay. The Housewives of Beverly Hills. Oh, really? They weren't into it? No. Really? No. But for the last few years, the press would say, oh, I'm doing it when I wasn't. And so I definitely thought about it, talked about it with my boys, my husband, and they were like, yeah, what the heck? Why not do it? And why did Paris and Nikki not want you to do it? I just, I don't know. I think they just wouldn't want me on a show where there's a lot of drama. Wait, who, me, drama? You? No way. So now they love it and they enjoy it and they get a kick out of it. But at first they were a little nervous.

2:17Okay. Between Paris and Nikki, who is more likely to raid your closet? I would say both. Now, they both have a bigger shoe than I do and smaller dress size. But as far as accessories, whatever is there is theirs. Is there anything in your closet that you are so particular about that you're like, you cannot touch this one thing? You know what? I'm really good like that. Whatever they want to borrow. I'm great. I'm okay. I'm like flattered that they like what I have. Who is more likely to send drama and like gossip in the family group chat? Probably Nikki. Love it. No, I mean, Nikki knows what's going on.

3:00Okay. More than Paris? She keeps up with everything within the family. She doesn't gossip about other people. Who is most likely to call you for mom advice? Both. Both. Both. Often? Not that often, but when they really need it. What do you think is like your best trait as a grandmother? We were just with my son, Baron, and daughter-in-law, Tessa, the three little ones in Las Vegas. And just we have a good time together. The little girl, Relu, and then Caspian. They're like, we want to go with you. I'm going to go up with your room. So it was cute. We brought them up there. And your baby voice is amazing.

3:48I have lots of voices. Kathy, wait, pull them out. be like hi I'm Kathy and a couple of your voices okay I have a labubu voice what I was going to bring you a labubu no way yes but I thought if I dress the labubu I said should I bring her a labubu and I can put some jewelry on it and a little handbag she goes she'll love that but I figured if I did that I'd be another 10 minutes late because I'm running around we how do you know about labubus how did you get into well i'm a toy collector you are wait what do you collect and then we have to go back to your voices uh dolls teddy bears soldiers i mean everything you could think of how long have you been doing that since i'm little barbies does your husband is he okay with it or is he like this is bordering on hoarding like what is going on no because i I have a toy room.

4:44Like I have a playroom for the children. Okay. But a lot of my things are in it. Like my doll collections in this doll house that lights up. Oh my God. And I enjoy it. So then you got into La Boo Boo's. So I got into La Boo Boo's. I was in the mall in Las Vegas. And I see all these people. And I'm like, and then they have the bigger ones, which I love that kind of fun pop art. Oh good. You do. Okay. Water. Water. Is this real water? That's real water. Okay. That's real water. Okay, great. Oh, I like this glass. That's real water. Thank you. So there are like so many people in this little store and I'm thinking I can't wait in line.

5:28I've got to get going. So I took a picture, took a card, took a picture of everything. And a couple days later got home and I left a DM and I got a call back. And when you're getting these little boo-boos and you said you're dming people do you often to slide into people's dms yes you do who's so i called him and he called me back like two hours later oh and he said i'm in town and i can come meet with you at your house and who is this man again with la boo-boo okay so i'm like okay and so rick's like are you sure i mean what if it's a crazy nut you've got coming into the house, whatever, whatever.

6:12So I then canceled and we thought, you know what, we'll have them at the party and it'll be the daytime. And they brought all the little accessories, all the little handbags, little glasses, purses, everything. I'm dying at you just like sliding into people's DMs being like, come on over. And Rick's like, sweetie, you can't just invite random people on Instagram over to the house. You're like, oh, that's kind of fair. Who's the most random person you've ever DMed or the most famous. Yeah, I don't I mean, I wouldn't necessarily have to be somebody famous. It's if I want something. You're going to go for it.

6:49I'm going to get my hands on it. Okay, Kathy, you kind of are known for pranks, I feel like. Yes. Like you're good at these pranks. Which of your daughters is most likely to engage with you in a prank? Both. Paris will get on the phone, actually. Nikki's more the cheerleader in, here, dial this number. But it's never mean-spirited. No, it's fine. It's always, and even though it's fun and it's silly, I always call back within 10 minutes because, you know, I don't want them up all night wondering who is this lunatic that called me. What do you think is personally one of the best pranks that you've ever pulled off?

7:29I would say calling a friend of mine. And she is a wonderful mother, but she is not the type that's going to remember the teacher's first name or last name or what grade. So I called up and I said that it was Mrs. Morton calling. And we noticed that she were not there at drop-off. We're very, very upset. you had signed up for pizza day. And at the beginning of the year, all the parents sign up back to school night. They sign up for pizza day. Oh, I'll do this. They're gang, gang, gung-ho. Gung-ho. Gung-ho on everything. But of course, she doesn't write any of it down or put it in her calendar.

8:16So I said, we had 36, no, we had 18 children here today that went hungry. and 36 parents were very upset. So, I mean, and I do this whole thing. And she's like mortified. She's completely mortified and just, you know, literally losing it. So are you using your little like fake voices? Right. On these prank calls? Or I said you were supposed to show up at the carnival and you'd signed up to do the swing along and we had your name on it. and you never showed up. And she goes, oh, I didn't realize that. I said, well, if you'd like, I'd be happy at drop off today to hand out flyers to everybody to let them know that you did go ahead and donate.

9:10She goes, oh, no, no, that's okay. No, I don't want you to do that. I mean, just like silly things. And then when you call your friends back eventually and tell them, they're like, Kathy, what the fuck? Yes. That's amazing. Okay. You're also known for that's like a juice with electrolytes. Oh, we love that. We love that. That's my drink. Unwell. It's really makes you feel well. Very important. Kathy, you know what's up. I'm very into all of this. Me too. And I won't mention names, but there's one that we have to stay away from. So there you go. Well, I'm really glad that you have Unwell. Thank you.

9:43Me too. And so is the world. Okay. You're also known for throwing great, great, great parties. What is, yeah, smile into the camera. I hold it like that. You're like brand deal coming soon. You're a great sponsor. Thanks. What is a non-negotiable for you when you are hosting one of these big parties? Like, what do you have to have? Well, I mean, I have to have, I don't like making people dress up like, oh, the theme is everybody's a blue party or a pink party, nothing like that. But I just like to have a reason to have the party. I like to have activations. Like we do a health and wellness twice a year and we get the, you know, True Niagen does because I do it every week.

10:37We do a drip. So everybody gets to come and have a drip. and massage and tie this. And I have, you name it. I mean, everything you could think of. The best of the best, the latest, the greatest. Machines for the face. I want to be friends with you. Manicures, pedicures, life coaches. Dogs, you can adopt a dog. It's just, and we play folk music. and we've got big blankets out and pillows and people bring their children and their dogs. It's just a really cool day. Healthy food, handmade soaps, like beautiful things. And then do these parties ever then turn into like ragers? Only Christmas. Okay, Christmas.

11:31Christmas does. Have you ever had to throw someone out of a party? No, I just disappear. Okay. because I think that's rude. And I have enough security there that they're watching everything. So maybe you're going to like whisper to them, but then you're going to kind of like leave, and then they'll handle it. Exactly. Well, they're actually having so much fun. And they're like, oh, I'll have some scrambled eggs now. I'll have another glass of chanel. Give me a Bellini. They're there until four in the morning. Okay, but I've heard that you have a members only club for certain guests after a party.

12:10You keep people at your house. I kidnap them. You kidnap them. And it's behind closed doors. It's in the library. There is a line. There literally is standing room only. I have bought like 16 little stools, like little pull-ups like this. And it's like, I have like Andy Cohen's, like I have like the clubhouse. And then I have the big L sofa and we've got the phones going and then we'll call people. No. You're prank calling? Prank calling people, telling stories. I mean, just lots of fun. And what does it take to get invited to the after member only club? It's just really close friends that are going to participate, you know, that have some contacts.

13:04Oh, right. So you're recruiting based on like, you got to give me some of your numbers. But then it's fun because then everybody in the beginning is like, and then it's like the karaoke. Nobody wants to do it. And then before you know, wait, call this person. And then it starts rolling. Call this person. Exactly. Now you got to block my phone number and it's hysterical. Wait, that is so fun because I feel like I remember doing Star 6-7 when I was younger in high school with my friends and we would do this. But then I just gave up on it because, I don't know, I guess like I forgot. I believe that Star 6-9 was invented because of me.

13:42I'm not kidding you. You've been doing this for a while. I've been doing this for a long time. Did you do it with your sisters when you were younger? Yes. Okay, so this has been a part of your life forever. Yes. but now do you worry that people are going to catch on to you because you do it so often um no no

14:17okay let's talk about real housewives we got a circle back yep you mentioned that your daughters were like, mother, no, and then you ended up doing it, what made you want to join? Because if your daughters are like, mom, don't do it. But you know what? It's okay for them to do things. But it was during COVID. I was bored. And Kyle and I had been kind of separated. And let me tell you, she works very hard. It's a lot of work as a housewife. You are busy filming for four months, then you're doing promotion and press for two months, then you're getting ready for the reunion. I mean, it's a lot. So it was a fun way to spend time with her.

15:03And also, you know, it's a great platform to be able to do a lot of things. Were you hesitant at all about not having control of people filming you and being on reality TV? No, because I've been around it so long. Yeah. I really have. So I don't, you don't even think about, like none of the girls even think about the camera being there. You don't even think about it. How do you think the show impacted you and Kyle's relationship by you doing it? We were like little girls again and having fun and laughing and just, I mean, I pulled some pranks on her. Yes, you did. And, you know, the fake martini and getting into bed with her and annoying her because I love to annoy her, get a rise out of her.

15:55We just laughed and had a really good time. And I know, obviously, like, I feel like the world has known just because also of the show that you guys have had a lot of ups and downs. Like, how do you what do you think it took for you guys? I will say that it all gets exaggerated, too. i mean it really i'll read things four hours ago kathy and kyle are still not getting along what it's also like sisters i feel like i have a sister so i know how it goes with sisters and we can fight like no other and then but she's like my person in this world she's my best friend so So it's like we can, I fight with her like I wouldn't with a friend.

16:39Right. But then it's my blood. So I'm always coming back to her. You know that we never did. And it's interesting on this last reunion, I said to the girls on this side, I said, all right, wait a second. I want to say one thing right now. And I'm going to whisper to all of you girls how many times we have had a fight in our lives. And I went like this. you know three i said kyle how many times have we had a disagreement she said three you can watch it so we're not fighters yeah i think one of the major issues that everyone saw was between you and kyle was really just the tension between your husband and her ex mauricio do you have any advice for people listening and watching that have not the most perfect relationship with their siblings partner.

17:35I think that got taken out of context a little bit too.

17:43You know, I like Maurice. I wish him, I wish him the best. And we had a lot of good times together.

17:54And, you know, he's the father of my nieces and I love my nieces. All of our children are like siblings. And it's really sweet. Do you think that situation, like would you want Kyle to get back with Mauricio ever or are you like happy for her now where she's at? I would want whatever she would, you know, it would make me, of course it would put a smile on my face. I don't like change. I like everybody, you know, and I don't care how old your children are. It hurts. It doesn't matter if they're five or if they're 25. Do you think you would ever join Real Housewives full-time? No. I've said that and I will.

18:43I couldn't. Why? Because I have my husband, I have my children, my grandchildren, I have other businesses, and I would no way be able to devote the time. I love the job I have. I can come in. I really, really have a good time with all the girls. It's like a little girls club. It's a lot of drama though. You know, when I'm there, I try to make it, I try to have the parties and the fun. But are you like that in your normal life? I am. You don't want to be a part of drama. No. But I feel like you'd be good in drama. Like if someone comes at you. Let me tell you something. If little hunky-dory gets pushed, but I don't want to get pushed.

19:29and I try my hardest just to keep the peace. How many times a year do you think you get pushed? Not that often. And when you get pushed? Don't push me. I feel like you're someone that's like could be really powerful with her words. No, I'm joking. I'm really a very sensitive person. I'm a Pisces. Oh, okay. I can cry easily. Both my girls are that way too. Oh my God, I'm obsessed with hunky-dory. Okay, you obviously don't have a tagline, but let's come up with it right now. What would your Real Housewives tagline be? I may be the hostess with the mostess, but I don't serve drama. Boom! Only diamonds and caviar or la boo-boos.

20:28Wait, that's good. Right? Kathy. That's good. Maybe you have to be full time for two seconds just so that we can get you spinning and we see you saying that. I would be spinning and falling in my heels. You'd look gorgeous doing it. Okay. I'm going to ask you some Real Housewives rapid fire and you're just going to say whatever comes to your mind. Okay. Okay. Who gives the best advice? I think I do. Because I have the most experience. Okay, who's the most high maintenance? Well, you know, on reality TV, I don't think you get much of a chance to be high maintenance. Really? Yeah. You're just bringing whatever's ever in your closet.

21:02I'm bringing whatever fits. And your fishnets. And my fishnets. They look cute, trendy. Because my, well, Paris wears them. And I got that from her because I don't want to have orange legs. Oh, is that what she does? and you can do this so that you don't have to do the spray tan i am really pale me too are you but i do the spray tan and i get hot me too so these breathe wait i just bought an eyelet blazer i'm waiting to see have you heard of sheen shin s-h-i-e-n it's like 22 but it looks good and it's got eyelet so i'm thinking i'll breathe in this wait i'm gonna start crying first of all what did you just say you bought an an eyelet what is that do you know what eyelet is no it's like little circle like it's little like a flower cut out and you bought an eyelet blazer from sheehan kathy hilton you need to call paris right now and we need to call her right now and tell her this do you have your phone oh yeah let's get the phone um you know who will have it is that my phone okay call paris okay and tell her we're on air and you need to tell her what you just told me paris uh yeah say hi we're recording right now you need to listen i'm in the middle of the interview with your mother and i go oh we're talking about something and she goes you know what I just do have you ever heard of sheen or sheen and I'm like yes and she goes I just bought a blazer from there and it's this what is it what is it Kathy it's eyelet it's eyelet well we were talking about I like these because they have holes so the fishnets Paris that you got me wearing yeah so I don't have orange legs and my I can breathe because of the fishnets yes and so i bought an eyelet blazer for 22 you know what eyelet is don't you paris says that's hot okay we love you paris

23:35Okay, Real Housewives, who is the most fun to party with? Sutton. Erica. Dorit's a lot of fun. Rachel Zoe. I love Rachel. She's a great pal. She's like part of the family. She's coming on. So we're going to Sedona tomorrow. Oh. So I'm thinking that could be the worst trip. Okay. Because it's going to be boiling. Right. Are you going to bring your fishnets? No, I'm not bringing any fishnets. What are you going to wear? I don't know. that I'm really wondering, how am I going to get around? We need flowy and we need big hats. Yes, but then my head gets hot. What if you did one of those from Amazon where you clip it so the top of your head is exposed, but you get a little shade?

24:22Oh, a visor. The girls get very angry when I wear a visor. The girls is in your daughters or the housewives? My girls. Oh, they don't like it. No. I could see Paris Hilton being like, absolutely don't wear a fucking visor, mom. And Nikki does that too. She says, Mom, please. That's so beyond. But maybe you need to do that in Sedona. Oh, I live in visors. You do? Well, I like it because they're tight right here. Yeah. And if you're like, I wear them even all the time because like if I'm by myself, I'm shy or whatever, you don't have to make eye contact. We're keeping it close. Yeah. What does a fashion absolutely no for you?

25:03Well, fashion no for me would be leggings. Really? Mm-hmm. What about them? I don't like, I like with a little bit of a, I don't like the jeans like that look like they're sprayed on. I like a tight fit. The new jeans I'm loving are mousy. Have you seen mousy? No. Vintage? No. I think it's the best jean going right now. Okay. So we want a little bit off the leg, not spray paint. Right. Okay. Because it gives a good shape to the leg. Love that. Kris Jenner has made some appearances on the show. Do you think she'd ever join the cast? I would love it if she did, but I doubt it. I know. That would be so iconic.

25:46It would be. It would be iconic. We would have a lot of fun. Can you explain to me how the Hiltons and the Kardashians initially met and became friends? Well, Kris and I were friends. For how long? Oh, years. when the girls were little girls. Oh, okay. How did you guys meet? We had done some charity things together. And so Caitlin and Chris and Rick and I, we would go on trips together and go to New York and Las Vegas and you name it. And the four of us and a couple other people would hang out, go down to the desert, really very, very close. And the kids became close. and then they kind of, you know, at a certain age, they go off and do their thing.

26:33So I called Chris one day and I said, Paris is starting this TV show and she needs somebody that can be with her and organize her. And I thought it would be a great opportunity for Kim and Paris to have fun together. But, you know, I know that she'll make sure Paris gets here on time and I just wanted in Paris to have someone. So we kind of set up this play date. And she said, I love it. So the girls ran around the world together and had a blast. Oh, that is like, because now you know, obviously, like, that's what changed everything for everyone. Like, then it all just became and then these are these two women are like the most famous women in the world.

27:15Oh, my God. When I interviewed Nicole Richie, she said that she and Paris were obviously inseparable growing up. Oh my God, so cute. What was the most chaotic situation those girls ever got you into? Well, we were in Las Vegas and Rick gets a call from the police department that they had snuck out and they were in Las Vegas on the strip. And so, I mean, Rick was furious. How did you feel? I was like I mean they were young they weren't doing anything wrong they were probably like 11 but sneaking out they just wanted to go and you know they went and bought those big straws and I was like oh my god or bring or going to the pet store they what they would do is they'd have lemonade stands we used to have a house in Malibu in the colony which is a very safe street it's off the Pacific Coast Highway so they'd make cookies and lemonade and iced tea and whatever.

28:22And they'd make these signs and you have to drive very slow in there. So you have a captive audience and they'd run up to people's cars. And of course the people stopped. So they made a lot of money. So they would take their bikes across the highway and go to the pet store, come back with a cat, a dog. I mean, this is a long time ago that's what like uh nicole literally at one point had like a snake like all the rat like they had spirits yes we were you wild growing up no no not at all where do you think the girls got it from i don't know i was not at all i'm picturing you when you get these calls because i know eventually i mean i snuck and had a couple cigarettes would go to westwood village and i remember going in the alley because I used to go to this place called Woody's to play pinball because I was a pinball wizard.

29:21Oh, Kathy. And I was a show off. And, you know, I'd have my little bike and do little wheelies. And oh, yeah. So I'd rub pickles all over my fingers to get the smell of the cigarette off. Did that work? Okay. See, you were you had you had the awareness like you knew how to get through like okay i can't have my parents uh-huh so but i never wanted to like i just wasn't yeah i didn't have it in me to want to i had a lot of fun though obviously there was so much that went on of you getting calls wondering where paris was in moments in the chaos of like her teens in her 20s but now that she's a mother how has your relationship with her evolved.

30:08I mean, I am so proud of her. I'm proud of all of my children. And she went through a lot and it breaks my heart. But I have to tell you, I am literally bursting with pride. And parents out there, you will get through it. every cell in her body of all my all my children I am proud of them and I love them and they're my everything and my grandchildren and my husband feels the same way they're our life let's talk about your husband your relationship you guys met when you were 15 I was 15 he was 19 what attracted you to him he looked like a blonde surfer how did you where did you meet we met through a friend and um he was going to school in denver so he'd kind of go back and forth you guys got married when you were 20 19 19 i had parents at 20 oh my god okay wait how did you know you were ready for marriage we had gone on this ski vacation to lake tahoe and when it was time to leave and to go back, he was going to go to New York to go work for an investment banking firm.

31:29So we are lying in bed watching the Flintstones, okay? And he looks at me and he goes, you know, we need to pack up and everything. We'd been there for a while. And he said, we need to go home and tell your parents and my parents that we're going to be getting married. That's how he told me. What was your reaction? I just remember driving back in this pickup truck to L.A. with him, and he dropped me at my house, and he said, I'm going to go home and take a shower and then come back and pick you up. And I remember holding on to him and just like starting to cry. I don't want you to leave, like not even for a minute.