Khloé Kardashian: I’m Done with NBA Players

28:13And we're along for the ride. We will make fun. We're along with the jokes. We'll go with it because we have a good sense of humor and we get it. But traditionally, yes, we're not sitting here singing on a stage performing. And I respect that. But we also deserve a little respect in terms for how long that we've been sustaining in this industry and evolving and not just coasting and to do it with so many different people. I think what you guys have built is so fucking incredible. I just want to first say that. And I agree with you that I feel like for a while that was definitely the sentiment where people were like genuinely so frustrated that your family had so much traction.

28:58And there was like this absolute want for none of you to succeed. And you all surpass that. And like you said, you've all built your own individual businesses. It is insane that every single one of you has a thriving individual business while also the collective business. And I think that you're right with regard to the way that people speak about men versus women. I also do think that maybe the tides are going to shift because you now look at a traditional influencer, right? And I think we're watching a lot of influencers rise and fall within two years or one year or three years or four years because it's like they take too many brand deals and then they become less relevant and then they're kind of done.

29:46Or inauthentic. Yes. And it's not authentic and it's not this or it's that. But I can imagine, yeah, it's frustrating to know if it was X amount of men in a family of brothers. It'd be like, goddamn, they're so fucking smart. One of them should be the president of the United States. Oh, we think that all the time. Right? But we also get it. Like, we're the first ones to, we take it on the chin. And I also think that's what we all should do. I think, yes, it's okay to still prove your place in the world, but also understand if people aren't forward thinkers with you. Because I get it at the time, people couldn't understand, well, how are they acquiring such much want and desire and attention, but what do they do?

30:30Like, I get that. And but we've proven ourselves. And especially when people like you said, were praying and trying for our downfall. And we were like, No, we're good. It's really cool to see how you guys have continued to build in a way that as a businesswoman myself, like, I look up to what you guys have done. Thank you. No, I love it. Okay. I'm going to give you a scenario and you tell me which family member you would call first. Okay. Okay. Who would you call if you needed a last minute red carpet look? Kim. Whose closet would you love to steal from the most? Kim and Kylie. Who has the best style?

31:12They're so unique and different in their own ways. But if I had Kendall's body, I would say Kendall. Okay. Who is the most high maintenance person in your family? Kris Jenner. As she should be. Yes, rightfully so. Okay. What sister are you calling if you wanted to get back at an ex that did you wrong? Ooh, well, I would be, I would, because I would, it depends who, but I would say Kendall, Kylie, Kim on conference. difference I can't imagine how much money people would pay for that trio if you need advice like a mat I can't imagine being able to just call those three women and be like I need advice this man fucked me over what do I do yeah so good um okay what is the pettiest thing that you've done to get back at an ex so I'm not like that petty of a person I wish I was like but I will say I'm gonna to fuck your dad.

32:14But it doesn't happen. But that would be like my dream if I was like that petty. But no, that's never happened. Chloe, the way that you just said that was like, I was like, oh my God, she's done that. Because in my soul, I want to. But then I'm like, I will braid your hair later. Like I'm such a pussy. But I pretend. I am. Like I, in my soul, I'm like, and if when I'm mad at you, I will fucking go off and I'm a machine gun with my words and insults. And then I'm like, all right, whatever. I'm over it. I got all the energy out. And then you're like, what are you doing later? Right. Fine. Come over.

32:50Who makes the worst decisions when it comes to guys in your family? Can I say myself? I would say me. Not anymore, though. No. Cancel, cancel. Not anymore. I do not claim that energy anymore. We're done. What is the furthest length you've ever gone to get intel on a guy? Oh, I've gone far. I've gone far. I mean, yeah, I've either. Kim has this way of knowing how to hack into people's voicemails when voicemails were a thing. So we've done that in the past. Oh, my God. I'm just picturing you guys like sitting around the kitchen, getting in there, screaming when you hear it. Screaming, throwing the phone down or like because you're like, oh my god like we didn't think we would actually get in and we get in and most times would you find something probably every time i mean i've also i've also to my yes i've had trackers on people's cars before yeah oh she's gone gone girl over here it's so crazy too when people are like oh well is that crazy it's like no when you force a woman to go crazy it's like what did you do.

34:03Well, that's what I hate. Do not act like you did not put me in this position and you did not make me be this psychopath. But I think that's something I need to think is a red flag in a man when they create the psychopath in me. It's so true, but it doesn't mean we can't look back with fond memories like Chloe. I remember I got my boyfriend cheated on me. I decided to stay and And I got his iPad and it was connected to his iCloud. Chloe, I'm living in New York City at the time. And it was a big ass iPad. They didn't have the small ones. I'm walking to and from work, getting on the subway, going to work.

34:42And I have the iPad open at all times. Reading his incoming texts, reading, reading, reading, eating lunch. I would literally set it up at work. It'd be my computer screen and the iPad. It's an addiction. Once you start, you can't stop. I've been there. I have been there. I remember my ex-husband and he remembers this story, I'm sure. We were married. He was doing his thing and he went down to some motel in downtown LA and was with a girl. And I was young. I mean, I'm like maybe 26, something like that. Probably still old enough to not behave like this, but I was there and I remember asking the guy at the front.

35:24I was like, hey, is Lamar Odom, where's Lamar Odom? Like he's this big guy. You can identify him. He told me what room he was in. I saw in the window that him and this girl were, they were either naked or she was in lingerie, something like that. I knocked on the door. They answered it for some reason and I just started going ballistic. And I remember the next day, it was, I think, Penelope's birthday party, and it was a cowboy party, and my knuckles were all bloody and gross, and I just had bandanas wrapped around. I was on theme, and I acted as if nothing ever happened. And I don't think I ever said a thing.

36:01He could not understand how I knew where he was, and I was like, I don't give a shit. I'm not telling anybody anything. And why are you in a motel in downtown LA at three in the morning? the best part is you're saying you're like he's like how did you find out chloe chloe they're always like how did you find out you're like it doesn't matter why are you doing why are you here but also everyone told like it's like you're this seven foot tall man you're and you're on the lakers everyone knows who you are you're very identifiable so i think how i found out was people on twitter were like lamar odom is and so i of course am that psychotic i searched his hashtag for his name.

36:40Of course. It's not psychotic. Any real girl does. No. Oh, my God. Do you remember like that? I used to go if I knew he was at a certain club, I'd like go to the Instagram story of the club. Of course. See who's tagging at the club. Then you go to their page. Oh, no. It's that you never sleep. Girls never sleep. That is when to any girl going through it right now, there is something so genuinely freeing. At first, it's painful because you literally feel like you're going through withdrawals. We're like, I remember my friend took the iPad from me and she was like, yes, we're done. No, you need to.

37:09And I said no. And then I took it back and it only took him finally figuring it out and deactivating it. Yeah. Like she couldn't even get it away from me. But then it ended up I started living my life again. I would go to work. No, it's an obsession and an addiction. And the best thing is when you're free of that. And I pray I never am back there again. Me too. I won't be. Yes. I won't be. This was years ago. So like you've mentioned, you recently turned 40. How would you describe this new era of your life, like entering this new decade? Just give me all the feels. So I have heard when I was in my 30s, like, ah, turning 40s is so great.

37:47Everyone's like, it's freeing. It's this. So I always had a really good perception of what 40 was going to be like. And my 30s were just really tough for me, like a lot of traumatic experiences. I had great experiences by having my kids, but either business or so many things weren't going the way that I really wanted them to or how I envisioned. And I think that for me, at least, I envisioned being married and having kids. And I just had this different fantasy, I guess, or just what I thought when I was 20, what was going to happen in my life. And those things didn't happen. And then I was like, you know what, instead of making this such a sob story, I'm going to be like, I can't, let me change the narrative, get all the shit out in my 30s.

38:29And I'm going to leave them in my 30s. And they're just going to be stepping stones and things that make me stronger and better for my 40s. And intentionally, in the last two years of my 30s, I called it shedding this negativity. And I actually saw this – he's like a spiritual healer. And he was like, your new decade is going to be this fresh start for you. And he just sort of confirmed everything that I felt. And I started a couple new businesses in my 30s, but they didn't come true until my 40s. And I just felt like now so many great things are happening for me. Not that they weren't my 30s, but the traction was slower.

39:11And I'm not going to hold on to any of the negativity that I had in my 30s. So I'm like, okay, that was all the bullshit. I'm leaving it there. And I'm only receiving and accepting beautiful positive things for my 40s. I love everything you just said because at the very beginning you said something that I think is very relatable especially for women and just like timelines when you're talking about like wanting this thing for yourself and having this like very very clear vision of exactly what you thought you were gonna have and I have so many women write into me being like I am 32 I'm 35 I'm 30 I'm 38 whatever it be in that 30 or like end of the 20s era and it's this like horrible feeling you feel like upset with yourself and disappointed in yourself because you're like no I was supposed to do this and especially when you're comparing yourself to whether it's your sisters or your friends being like but she got married and she was doing this.

40:13And then you start to just feel like you failed and there's no chance to get the time back. And I fucked this up. Do you have any advice for any women listening of how you did end up pushing through, not sticking to the timeline that you had envisioned essentially your whole life growing up? Well, I think at first you have to go through those feelings and it's okay to feel it. I definitely felt like a failure or my time passed. And I I think it's natural to compare, at least for me. I have all these successful siblings and I see all what they're doing and I'm like, okay, but I'm sort of stagnant at this place.

40:51And for me, I love to pray. I listen to, I have a Bible app that I do every morning. I need that time for myself, but it sets the tone for my day. And if I don't do that, or if I don't at least have your positive affirmations or whatever that is that really encourages yourself, if it's the gym, like little things, you have to take that you time. But I took time intentionally this year to self-reflect and be like, what am I doing? Because it's not everybody else. So what am I doing that's not sticking? Or let me change how I'm handling something else. But when it comes to marriage or kids, I feel bad that we put that pressure on ourselves.

41:32And it's hard not to because essentially we do have this biological clock that's ticking when it comes to babies. But also what is really cool is I did do IVF in my 20s. And when you froze embryos then, you had to sign something that when you're, I believe it said like when you're 40 or 42, if you don't use these embryos yet, you have to either donate the, you have your choices, either donate them to science, donate them to people for adoption, or terminate them. And you signed which ones that you agreed to. And then I made embryos, I want to say when I was like 35. And that time span now, it's at like 50 something.

42:19And so it moved about 10 years because our life expectancy is longer. So I'm saying that to say that we don't have to have kids as early as we once thought we could. My mom years ago had Kendall and Kylie at 40 and 41. That was, what, 28 years ago or whatnot, 29 years ago. And so I think sometimes we have these expectations or we think by 32, if I don't have X, Y, and Z done, then it's over for me. But that's not essentially the case. And I think we have to focus on what makes us happy and everything else will fall into plan. And if it's in God's will, it's going to happen, not to get all spiritual.

42:59But I do think what's meant for you is always going to find you no matter what, but you have to believe it's going to happen. And mainly you have to believe that you're worthy of that. There was a long time that I didn't think I was worthy of a certain type of love. And I think that shows. And I really had to work on myself and say that I'm worthy of the same type of love that so many other people are. I can tell the way you're saying it, Chloe, is like it took a lot of the shit that was painful to get to the place where you're getting to say that and so that's why I also think I appreciate you sharing that because I think someone could really need that advice right now because they could be in a similar place as you were a few years ago or you just found out that you thought the love of your life isn't gonna be that anymore like whatever it is that's like shifting for someone right now that message I think is so powerful to alleviate a little bit of the stress that they feel that they're putting on themselves um I want to talk about your romantic life for a second because you were only 23 23 when keeping up with the Kardashian started I think I was 22 22 okay 22 can you talk to me about like in hindsight looking back now like how do you feel that some of your hardest romantic relationship moments played out on the world stage for the public eye?

44:26So what's interesting is when we started, we were just supposed to be show filler. I think Lindsay Lohan had a reality show that was supposed to go on E! And something happened where she scrapped it last minute. And E! was like, we need something filler, just six episodes. And my mom and Kim were like, we're going to do it. or I don't know how that conversation went, but basically we had this show and we were told, don't worry, don't get, I think the quote was, don't get too comfortable here. You're just filler. So when we first started, we were like, we just weren't thinking that this is, people are going to watch this.

45:03Do you know what I mean? We were just like, we're filler. We're told not to get comfortable here. It is what it is. And so we were just being morons, like just who we are, Just not overthinking it and it turned into something – it snowballed into something really great, but I didn't think everything through, if you will, and so I'm just being me. But I also have always tried to keep that for me. I don't want to overthink or else I think it really changes how the show is perceived. And so with that, I intentionally – not that I want all of these things to be played out on the show, but I've really made a conscious effort to not edit.

45:46And I feel like it's fair game. If something's in the press that's true and that's happening, it's my obligation to have that on TV because that's what in fact is happening. And that's not fair for me to say, you know what, I don't want that on the show because it's in the press or because it hurts me or whatever. I feel like I can't be the only one going through certain things. And if it makes somebody else feel seen or if it helps somebody get through something or it doesn't have to be the exact same thing. But if it's something that they can relate to at all, I really hope that I make someone feel more seen and safe and that they're not alone on this island that feels so incredibly isolating.

46:30One of the things, again, that I think like people. I mean, you got so much commentary, obviously on your relationship with Tristan but I do genuinely believe that there were a lot of women that connected to it and even if they were ashamed or embarrassed that they've done something similar I think that storyline was also so massive aside from like the intricate intricate details of like holy fucking shit like that was insane but the actual relatability of it and going back to someone and trusting them again to then have them fuck you over again. Can you talk to me about how you decided though that relationship was worth another try?

47:13Because I think a lot of people go through that feeling. So with the Tristan stuff, when Kim, I think it was, found out that Tristan was cheating on me when I was pregnant, if I remember correctly, I think she was about to sit down for keeping up interviews. And it happened while she was in the interview chair. I don't know if as much would have been shown if that's not how it was unfolding in real time. We just happened to be filming all the fucking time. So it did happen that way. And then that happened. I went into labor 48 hours later and I chose for, I agreed to have the cameras in the delivery room because I wanted that for true.

47:58And I chose for Tristan to be there because it wasn't about me. And people couldn't get over that. And also, I've never had a baby before at this point. It's my first pregnancy. I want to have what I envision, like we just talked about. But I also wanted, I just wanted what I wanted. And I don't know if that was the right thing. And I don't know, I just did what I felt was the right thing to do by saying to my daughter, your dad was in the delivery room. I don't need to tell her. One day she's going to know everything because she's going to be old enough to know. But I don't think she needs to know, I didn't have your dad in there because I was so angry.

48:38Do you know what I mean? I felt like these are, I can't make a permanent decision off of temporary emotions. I'm not going to hate Tristan forever, but I will never get that birth experience back. So there's so many things I did for my child at that time. And I remember I was in Cleveland. I was staying there and after the birth of True. And I was like in this isolated bubble of being alone with my child with these hormones. I would not watch TV. It was a huge media story. I couldn't even leave the house. We were surrounded by paparazzi. It was really isolating and overwhelming. I had no family.

49:23And I honestly don't know, but little by little, Tristan and I just started reconnecting. And seeing this man with your brand new baby and all these things, yes, you do get blinded by so many things. I'm not going to deny that. But interestingly enough, I always had this guard up after that. I always felt something wasn't right. And that is something that I don't regret because I have Tatum. But that's something that I always remind myself. I could never fully get back there. And he knew that. And we would talk about it. And we even did therapy over it. And And I never could fully trust him or I never felt safe around him again.

50:14And either if he hugged me or little things like that, there were things that anybody could tell that I had major guards up. And so I'm not saying what I did was right, but there was God had other plans because I had my son. But there was something that I pushed to the side. and I don't know why. It could have been that I was just so hormonal and new. I don't know. But yeah, it's just, I know if I didn't have a baby, I never would have stayed with Tristan, like ever. Do you think that now looking back, did the first cheating hurt or was the second one worse?

51:17Do you think that now looking back, did the first cheating hurt or was the second one worse? I think the first one hurt the most because I was pregnant. But also, I didn't get to sit with my feelings enough for the first one. I gave birth less than 48 hours later after the first cheating scandal happened with Tristan. And I don't know if this sounds right, but it's what I can think to say is that I don't even think I was able to process everything that happened because I think if I maybe was six months pregnant and that happened, I probably would have walked away and never went back. But because I gave birth less than two days later, and then you sort of, I buried my head in the sand and I was like, I just want to have this bliss that I always dreamed of and have a brand new baby and have the daddy here.

52:29And I think who wouldn't, but it's really, when you've never been in that position, it's really easy to judge and to say things. I only did the best that I knew how. And I think the worst part of that experience was how much I let down my younger sisters. because I remember they were like, he's going to do this again. Don't stay with him. And I remember, I don't know exactly what was said, but I just remember sort of the

52:58disappointment in them. They would never say that to me and they've never said that to me, but I've always felt how much I've disappointed them by staying and doing that again because that's so – I didn't do that. I was always like, fuck him and they're disrespecting you. And so I still feel really horrible about that because I've always been this big sister to them. But I will say – so I don't – maybe the second one hurt more because I lived with it for so much longer and maybe I've had more shame with the second scandal because I sort of knew it was going to happen again. Do you think you would ever talk to Kylie and Kendall about it?

53:48Like now having hindsight, like I realized like I never, I still have this like feeling that I let you guys down and I like. I would talk to them about anything, but I don't think they would ever admit that I let them down because I don't think that they realize how much I saw in their faces. Like I don't think, and I think now True is going to be seven next month. And so seven years have gone by and so much life has happened for Kendall and Kylie as well. So maybe they even understand more than seven years ago, but I'll never forget their faces. And I don't think for a second they would even feel like I disappointed them, but I remember those faces and it's hard to forget something like that.

54:36I was going to say, I think that what you said though is so relatable of like, but they've lived since then. And I think the closer you get to more life experience, more life experience. Even you saying that, Chloe, I'm going to be honest. I bet when all this came out seven years ago, I was probably judging you like, oh, how did she get back with him and what is that? And then now I'm sitting here and I'm thinking about having kids one day and I'm thinking about myself being in a situation where I do have a child. And when you're talking about this period where you're like, I literally gave birth.

55:13I just gave birth. And yes, I want to enjoy that. Like I so get that now because I'm getting closer to that point in my life where I probably in my early 20s was like, what the fuck is she doing? Oh my, you know what I mean? Like it's just perspective. But I probably would have done the same if I saw someone going through that. And sometimes you can see a car crash happening before it actually happens. And, you know, when you asked which one hurt more at first, like my initial reaction was, oh, the one with true, the first one. But then I was like, but actually, no, I think the second one, because I had so much more time to live with it.

55:54And I hid it from the public that I was having a second baby, even though I found out he had another child. And then I had to deal with this privately, and that was almost worse. But I was so ashamed to tell the world that I was having another baby because I already knew what they were gonna say. And I already knew what everyone was gonna say about me. And I already knew in my gut that that was probably gonna happen again. And then that sounds idiotic. Why would you be with someone? But there was just this, now I knew in hindsight, oh, that's what that feeling was of never feeling safe with him again.

56:35That I just, my body sort of knew a woman's intuition. This isn't the right fit for you. but at the time I couldn't identify what that is. I don't know if that makes sense. No, no, it does. I want to ask you like to someone sitting and listening to this right now that is contemplating staying with someone that cheated on them, like do you have any advice? Well, from my experience, I don't think people really can change in that regard. but I also think, I don't know, I would have to know like the context of the story. I don't want to like tear anyone's dreams down. For me, I would say, you know, once people show you who they are, believe them and that's something I had to learn the hard way and also you have to listen to your gut and your intuition and I really was trying to mute mine, I think, because I wanted to to have this vision of what my life was more than I would listen to something.

57:43And but that what kind of life is that? I also just feel like the takeaway, too, is like, yes, we can sit here and try to give people advice. But like sometimes you actually need to live it. Sometimes you do need to get punched in the gut and have these horrible things happen for you to know now. Like, yes, you felt that gut feeling that maybe they would have cheated again. I had the same thing and he did. He cheated again. But I needed to feel it because I couldn't have anyone look at me and tell me otherwise until I was done with it myself. And I really, really learned from it and was able to move on and have closure within myself.

58:18Because also giving credit to friends and sisters, like they can beg us. But it's so fucking different when it's your life and there's kids involved. It is. Hands down, you have to go through it on your own. And the advice I would give when I was single with no kids is so different than the advice I would give having kids. And it's really, really fucking hard when you have children involved and you have this fairy tale that you really want to fulfill and live out and you can't and don't. But that doesn't mean that another fairy tale can't be created. We got to kind of see you get this closure with your ex-husband Lamar this season.

58:57How do you come to terms that love just like isn't enough sometimes? I know that's sad because I think in your 20s you really believe that love is all you need and Lamar was one of Lamar is you know I really do think it was the right person wrong time and I have so much love for Lamar and I in every relationship that I have like I'm so grateful for them even the worst of them like I really think that they mold me and they make me more empathetic and compassionate. And they just, they build me in a different way. And with Lamar, like I, that was one of the best, it's crazy because it was one of the best chapters of my life.

59:42And then also it took away so much of my innocence. It was, there were things that I was exposed to that I never in a million years thought I would be exposed to. It was, I definitely lived a double life for a long time. And again, even things I never would have even predicted that I would have been living or I don't think people could imagine. But when it was one of the most awkward things I've ever filmed, Lamar and I have so much history and to not talk to someone in almost 10 years and then to be around them and I didn't know what to expect. I was nervous. He was clearly very nervous. I felt like without me realizing it, because we sat for four and a half hours.

1:00:37So what you guys saw, I think was maybe at 20, 30 minutes tops. We were there for four and a half hours. And there were things that I didn't realize until watching. I sort of blacked out. And it was just my trauma taking over. And this was me in autopilot. And how many things either he did or said that were triggering me to the old Lamar. So I noticed myself being short or snappy or this or that. And I didn't like that version of me. And I'm sure he didn't like that version of me or whatnot. And maybe I triggered him in different ways. I don't know. But it was, I really love that I got that experience with him, but I think there's so much more that maybe needs to be said and done.

1:01:27But I also don't know if I need that right now. And I think that's like okay to say. I feel like even you saying like 10 years without speaking to someone and then you're sitting across from them and you're still having a trauma response, that is one normal to everyone who says like, well, trauma just goes away at someone. No, no, no, no. Like a lot of times it can live with you for your whole life or it can be a specific things, trigger it. If you smell something, if you see something, whatever it is. So like you having that response, I agree. It's like now you can take your time on your time and on his time when you guys can figure out it works for you to like go down that path.

1:02:05But maybe it doesn't all need to be in like one sit down, like let's fix this whole thing and like let's move on. And I didn't think for a second I still was holding on to anything. And so then when I was with him were certain, like just certain things that either made me have flashbacks to 10 years ago. I was, I just noticed that I turned my brain off because so much I didn't even remember being said or done until I watched the show. And I was like, oh damn, that was a little harsh, or I can't believe I said that to him or, and, but it's wild that I would black out at daytime. Like, it's not like I was on anything.

1:02:39That's why I was like, it was, it was so bizarre to me. I've Um, but I also, like, I'm so grateful for all those experiences too. And I, but I do think maybe more does need to be discussed. I just don't feel the need or the urgency to do it right now. Do you think you would ever get married again? I would love to get married again. You would. Yeah. A lot of people think that I am very, like, maybe cynical about love. And I, I'm a hopeless romantic. I believe in love. And I think it's beautiful. and I love the union of marriage. I respect it so much. And you're single right now? I'm single right now.

1:03:20Are you dating? I have not dated in over three years since Tatum was in my surrogate's belly. Okay, would you? Yeah, over three years. When are you going to get back out there? Are you still gonna take it slow? Like, do you have an idea of like? So I think I need to work on things with myself still because I'm really happy. I don't feel lonely. I don't feel any of that stuff. I feel great, which is actually like concerning because I feel like I could go this way for like 10 more years. You're like, I love this shit. I'm in bed alone. I'm watching my documentaries. Yeah, no one's bothering me, taking a bed space.

1:03:58Like I'm good. But I also think a lot of it is too that I don't know. I've worked on my confidence so much and I've gotten that back or in a good place, But I don't know how confident I am in trusting myself when it comes to picking men just because of my past. And so I'm working on that. And I don't want just distractions in my life. I'm not lonely or bored in that regard. If I need a night out, I have my girlfriends. And I just don't. Once you get to a certain place, you don't even miss a thing. I don't need anything. But I need to work on feeling confident in who I'm picking. Okay. I'm going to describe a man to you.

1:04:42Oh, God. And you are going to tell me if you would give him a shot. Are you ready? Yes. Okay. He is super present and involved in your life, but refuses to be on the show or let you post pictures of him. Does he have social media? That's a great question. I hope not. I love that. I was going to say, is it suspicious if a guy doesn't have social media? Doesn't? No, I love that. That's like a big turn on. I agree. Yeah. Like that's hot. So you'd be down if he didn't have social media. Yes. Because if he has a social media and he's not posting you. Right. Then that makes me like, oh, that's weird.

1:05:16Because what are you? Are you have a family that you're hiding from? But actually. Yeah. Okay. All of your sisters are obsessed with him, but Chris hates him. Oh, that would be so hard. I don't think so. You actually like live together. Yeah, basically. And she, I probably care because she hangs out with me more than my sisters half the time. Who do you think is the hardest sister to impress when it comes to bringing a guy around? Kendall. Really? Kendall and Court. But Kendall is like no nonsense. Love that for you. I love that for her too. Chris once said, you got ghosted because you didn't give your date a blowjob.

1:05:57What other chaotic relationship advice has she given you? I fucking love her. Today, she was like, don't bring up the blowjob story. I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, but it was true. She's like, well, it doesn't make me look good. And I was like, well, it was like the early 90s. It was a different time. Chris, we fucking love that you said this. You're like, the fact that she even said that, I'm obsessed. Like, come on. Like it was the early 90s. It's fine. So good. I don't know. I mean, she's just a very forward thinking type of mother. And she's the thing that I love about my mom is you can literally tell her anything and she's fine with it.

1:06:38She just wants to be in the know and she will find like she's also a problem solver. So if there's anything that's not going right, she'll find the solution. So I don't know off the top of my head, but she will help a girl out. Okay. He's the best sex you've ever had, but you find out he once hooked up with one of your sisters. You want to know what's crazy? What? The older we get, the pull gets smaller. I'm like, I don't know. I think if I was 20, I would probably be like, that's a deal breaker. But you're like, I don't care. But now I'm like, do we need to talk about it? We're good, right? I think that's fair.

1:07:19I don't know if that, like, is that incestual? No, I think it depends. I think it depends. Like, how about this? If they have a baby together? Oh, that's where we draw the line. Okay, we're not, yeah, we're not sharing baby daddies. But I don't know if you slept with someone 20 years ago. What the fuck am I supposed to do? It's hard out here. I kind of agree. Like, especially if they were like, oh, he was so good and a great guy. How awkward. But I personally wouldn't care. Like, if this was me and let's say Kim or whoever single was like, oh, I met this guy. I'm like, oh, my God, I fucked him when I was 20, but it's fine.

1:07:59Like, I wouldn't care. Which of your sisters has the complete opposite type from you? Courtney, I think. Yeah. Okay. He loves to work out with you. Love that. But he's in the NBA. I can't anymore. No, I draw the line. Like maybe hooking up because I can hook up with people and like not think about it. I'm not one of really I can't. I haven't done it in a while, but you don't miss those days. I mean, when I was younger, I was able to I don't. It's a different world when you have kids. I don't know. But also, I think it's more like it's transactional. Like this is business because I have kids. Yeah.

1:08:38Like get in here. Get in here and get out. You're not staying because you're not meeting my kids. So that's where my mindset, I think, is. But I cannot. And yes, I'm going to stereotype. I will not be with another NBA player. But yes, if I need to fuck or whatever, maybe. Maybe. I don't know. I'm not there. But I'm not going to say no. But I don't know what I just said. No, no, no. So is this color daddy? No. So no more NBA. But would you do a different type of professional athlete? no ideally not okay but again i would hook up but you know never say never but it's just i don't feel like i'm a year later i know you're later i'm like i'm married i'm getting married

1:09:24i mean and i hate to stereotype because i but i haven't had great experiences is all i'm gonna to say. Girl, that is so fucking fair. Okay. Let's talk about your podcast, Chloe in Wonderland. First of all, congratulations, because I love podcasting. It's hard work, but it's rewarding. Why did you want to start this? Well, I am. It's Chloe in Wonderland. So it's all about like, go down the rabbit hole with me. I have so many bizarre curiosities and I sincerely am just fascinated by the strangest things. I just watched a documentary on atomic bombs. And I am like, hell yes, I'm so dorky in that way that people probably wouldn't think.

1:10:05But yeah, I just want to talk about I really have bizarre, weird fascinations, and I want to indulge in them. Are you going to have your sisters on the pod? So the funny thing is, Kylie was like, I'm so offended you haven't asked me to be on the podcast. And I'm like, well, what are you going to give me? Like, I don't really like, What would you give me that I don't already know about? I already know it's going to be very contrived. I don't need this. But most people would die to have my sisters on. I'm more like, whatever. We'll think about it. But my mom, yes. Yes. Love Kris Jenner because we also are like Laverne and Shirley, Lucy and Ethel.

1:10:52Don't know if these people know who that is. but you know you guys have a vibe that you can like talk about complete random shit yes where people are gonna want the tea yeah like if you're having Kylie on everyone's gonna be like why didn't you ask about the Oscars what you're gonna like okay and I have like a list of things what I should have asked about and yeah I just it's too much pressure for me who is your current dream guest so I love Dolly Parton I really really do oh I know I love her but her poor husband just passed away of 60 years and my heart breaks for her. I'm not kidding. Heartbreaks.

1:11:25Not the right time to ask for a problem. Not the right time. But at one point, maybe. One day I love her, but I do. I'm so excited. I just had this UFOlogist on and I love shit like that. So like. I am obsessed that you're going a direction that no one would have thought. I love conspiracies. Last question. If you could go back and talk to yourself during season one of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, what would you say? You've done an excellent job. Yeah, I wouldn't change a thing. Like as sad or hard and depressing or whatever as some situations may have been, the great outweighs all the bad that's ever happened to me.

1:12:10And I am just proud of how I've handled everything. And I'm most proud of how me and my family have stuck together. And just enjoy the ride. Chloe, I just had such a great time with you. I did too. Thank you so much for coming on. It's so nice to meet you in person. Obviously, like, I feel like I've just watched you for so many years. I've obviously watched the show. I'm a huge fan. But like to get to sit here with you, it was truly a pleasure. Oh, thank you for having me on. I've honestly had the best time. I felt like this. Yeah, chill and really fast. Love. Love. Done. Thank you.

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