KIM KARDASHIAN

32:55The Kendall and Kylie were so young. Rob was game for anything. And it was just such a fun experience. And honestly, the show has just brought us so much closer together. Having to get up every day and work with your family, I mean, it would break a lot of people, but it really brought us so close together. I feel like throughout the years, we have seen so much play out of your guys' lives on the world stage. If you had to say, what do you think was the hardest thing that you all had to go through publicly? Maybe the transition of my stepdad. I think that my mom didn't know how to handle it. Imagine Kendall and Kylie are like losing their father in their mind.

33:44And at that time, Caitlin wasn't very open with us about her transition and just kind of came out with it. So we had lots of different mixed emotions. I know Chloe was super emotional and upset about it. So we just never, you know, we're like learning this all for the first time. And then we want to be supportive for our little sisters, trying to be supportive for my mom that's now getting a divorce and making sure we don't say anything super offensive or even asking questions of like, what does this mean? And what is this term? And what is this? Like we didn't really know anything. So we just had to kind of figure it out.

34:23And we did it all on camera. How do you think you guys got through all of that? Just family. That's how we get through everything. We have each other. You had your dad pass away the same year that you got your first divorce. How did both of those experiences of loss in the same year impact and shape you as a person? Well, my dad's dad passed away three months before my dad. So she lost her dad and then her ex-husband. So it was a lot of loss. My dad was actually helping me with that divorce with a legal team and helping me process that. I mean, I think that it was definitely a loss, but I was so young.

35:10I got married at 19. My dad passed away at 22. So I was just 22. You don't know a whole lot. Definitely a lot of loss and change. I was obviously super affected when my dad passed away and affected like for the divorce. We were together for a few years, but I didn't really know what that meant then. And I was so focused on just like my dad and spending all the time with my dad that I could in those last like six weeks. so yeah it losing someone and you know your whole life will be changed forever is a really hard thing to go through but um you know again family we did it together how do you think losing your dad impacted your if at all your future romantic relationships and who you chose in partners?

36:07I would have thought that I had the best example of a dad, the best everything. He had the best relationship with my mom during their divorce, was super respectful. Afterwards, when my mom remarried, everything about him was super stand up and respectful. So I saw by example what life can be like and how you should be treated and who you should, the type of person you should have in your life. So I think that I have made not similar choices to that. And that's confusing to me because I had such a great example that you would think that I would have just picked a little bit more close to what I saw.

36:58so um are you hard on yourself for that no I think that like there's so many lessons in life and if it was all perfect like life would be so boring so boring so I'm totally good with the decisions and choices that have gone on and that I've made and I take accountability for them and you you learn and you have fun and you know like there's so many good even in like all these you know, relationships that might not have turned out that way. Like I still had so much fun and learned a lot. So you and Kanye were together for over almost 10 years, about a little over almost 15 years. We were together going back to those kind of beginning happy days.

37:43Like what initially drew you to him? I mean, he was like larger than life and so smart and just always talked about like new ideas and things that I wasn't really familiar with and I was always learning with him and it was always just such a such a fun time yeah on an episode of the Kardashians you said the hardest thing is when someone changes and you can't live with the new version of them what were the early signs that your relationship with him was changing I mean I I think there's obviously, you know, people can say that there was like signs and maybe I didn't, wasn't paying attention to them.

38:33And I think when someone has like their first like mental break, you know, you want to be super supportive and you want to like help figure that out. and you want to really get into that with them and be there for them. But I think that it just, when someone isn't willing to make changes that I think would be super healthy and beneficial, it makes it really hard to continue on in a relationship that can be toxic. And that I think that when you have kids, it's definitely harder to leave than it is to stay. And it changes everyone's life and forever. So you really have to like take your time and wait and see if there'll be changes.

39:31But once you get to a place where you feel like it's not gonna change or get better, then you have to make like some serious choices on what you're gonna do. And that's like a really hard reality to face, you know? I can't imagine. I guess I'm curious. Did you feel like you will often or ever felt like things are getting better? Maybe I can stay. Like, did you go back and forth often? Yeah, of course. Or you want to believe that for a little bit. And then you look at your babies and you're just like, but then you think like, you know what? If they see a good example of like me setting boundaries and then once like my mental health starts to get affected and then I can't parent the way that I need to and I can't be present and focused, then like there's got to be one of us that can.

40:30and I had to like save myself in order to be a better mom for everyone. And I think like when everyone's older, they'll be able to understand it and see that all. I agree, yeah. It's such a hard time when you're kind of the only adult that's able to make the decision and you like look at your kids and you're probably like, I know this may not make sense now, but I promise it will later. Yeah. I feel like a lot of times in difficult relationship dynamics, sometimes you can isolate yourself. Like at what point when things were starting to not be as great as it started, did you start to open up to friends or family?

41:08I mean, I think they would see it. A lot of like stuff would happen around my family. So it was really hard to like see my family get treated one way and then me being like, I'm sorry, guys, and like then stick with it. I think people couldn't not see it. I think I got really disassociated and there was like so many times where I was just like really quiet and like just trying to figure it all out. And people can kind of see that on me during certain times. So I think, but also people were really compassionate and didn't want to say, hey, we don't think this is healthy for you. Everyone tried to just move in a direction of being healthy.

41:58And so no one really sat there and was like, you have to get out. I've been in those where people are like, this isn't for you. And no one did that. They knew that I had a lot of love and respect for that relationship and for babies and that I would have done anything to really make it work. You guys, obviously, you're dealing with it with your family and they're living it, but then you guys were also one of the most famous couples in the world. How did the public perception of your relationship influence and affect how you kind of navigated everything? Because you're not a normal person that can just be like, okay, it's a divorce.

42:39We're moving. It's like the whole world is looking and praises both of you in some capacity. I mean, I think that extra pressure just makes it a little bit harder. I think people were going to be, I thought like, oh my God, everyone's going to be so upset with me because I'm just like leaving and I wouldn't want someone to think I was leaving someone because it got too hard. But there was just a lot in there that for my soul, I felt like I had to make that decision. And I think people get it now and they might respect my decision and see that. But, you know, when you do have that outside layer, there is that extra like, you know, especially I have had a few marriages that I didn't think that were for me.

43:27And so now, like, am I a failure? And then I have to like really look back at that and say, you know what? An over a decade relationship with four beautiful children is not a failure, you know? And I just. You can't think that way. You can't live that way. You can't worry about what everyone's going to say. And I have to come home to myself and I have to be happy. So I think something obviously you said, which is so relatable, it's like it's almost sometimes easier to stay than to leave. What was it for you that was the final straw that actually got you to be like? I don't know if it was like, there was just a lot of things that I wouldn't deal with.

44:16You know, like, I didn't like the feeling of like, you know, someone being like maybe talking bad about, you know, my kids, grandmother, aunts, like all of those feelings. feelings. If someone feels that way, then, you know, we shouldn't be together, you know, maybe airing out a lot of stuff, a lot of personal stuff, just not feeling safe, you know, not even physically, just like maybe emotionally or even, you know, financially, because you have big ideas that financial things. It's like a thing where you, I mean, I would come home and we had like five Lamborghinis and I'd come home and they'd all be gone if he was in an episode.

45:18And I'd be like, oh, wait, where's all our cars? Like my new car. And it would be like, oh, he gave them away to all of his friends. And then I'd be like, huh, okay. And then I'd come home again. And at a different point, we had, you know, five more Lamborghinis. And then I'd wake up in another episode and they'd all be gone again. And that time I was like, keep them guys. You know, like, I don't know. I don't know what to say. But like, I never felt like I didn't know, you know, what you're going to get when you wake up. And that's like a really unsettling feeling. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a lack of stability.

45:54Lack of stability was a big thing. You're trying to be stable for yourself and your kids. And then there's a factor that you're like, I can't. So once you left, what was the biggest change that you saw within yourself? I walked away thinking that I would have like to live a different life that I would not have a connection to anyone in fashion or art or like you know he that was a big part of his life and so I thought like okay I'm gonna just like go back to a totally different world and my happiness is like worth that and it's totally okay. And some of my biggest projects came about after I made that decision and some of my best relationships with fashion and art and all these things that I thought I had to give up or told I wasn't going to have anymore.

46:47And it was like the universe just rewarding me and showing me that I was moving in the right direction. And I think that's a really important, powerful thing is to like pay attention to the signs and pay attention to life and you know what happens and and how you can be guided to make really good decisions you know but I have no regrets like you know I have four amazing beautiful babies they are beautiful yeah um publicly obviously having a public marriage you know a vocal ex like how has that impacted your current approach to dating? You know, it has definitely affected that. You know, there has been situations where like I'll get maybe close to someone, then it's like, wait, wait, wait, wait.

47:42I don't really want to deal with your ex. And I don't want to deal that like if he's going to say something. And I'm like, you know so it has been like a little frustrating but then I get really um like my person wouldn't care about that you know but it is a big thing and I get it you know it's not an easy thing and I get that I remember obviously when like the Pete music video and everything I was like oh I can't imagine how Kim handles that right like in those moments like having those conversations with people that you're seeing. You can't really control. That made me feel really sad. That really wasn't fair for him.

48:23And I felt so sad and sorry for him. And he was such a great man that was like, I got, don't worry, it's all good. Or at least acted that way. And it must suck to just be put in that position. So it's had me put up this guard where I don't wanna put anyone in that position. So it's easier if I just maybe stay away. and but then I can't live my life like that either you know but I am aware of it and I do I mean I think maybe at this point you know it's like so a non-issue I don't think he would say something but then you never know and in the past when Kanye has had new partners the world is so quick to immediately compare them to you who is more beautiful who is more fashionable, who is better for him.

49:14How do you feel in those moments? I feel bad for them that they have to just deal with that. It's really not fair to anyone to compare, or especially if it's like, oh, well, he was acting this way just when they were together, maybe when it first started. And then I was like, okay, just time will play itself out and it has nothing to do with me and it's like not fair to really blame me but you know I it sucks you know because I think like any high profile relationship that you're in there's going to be some comparison to that person's ex

50:16so are you single i am single and i feel totally totally content i've been single for a while is this the longest you've ever been single yeah and i'm totally good with that like i have my kids to raise i have like a life that like requires a lot of my attention and my kids just really need me right now. So it's like, I'm there 24 seven, you know, I don't know how I would fit something else in. So I'm just not looking. And it would have to be like someone super special for me to like, I've had all my fun. I've had all my phases. So it's like, now I just have to like be with my babies. Okay. But eventually, you're, Kim, you're going to get back at it at some point.

51:02It doesn't matter when, but you'll get there. You're the most, probably one of the most famous women in the world. How do you even approach dating? Oh, it's like usually friends like. Set you up. Trying to set us up and stuff like that. So yeah, I don't know. Do you think men are ever too intimidated to pursue you? Not my person. My person wouldn't be. I was going to ask. I think I'm like really approachable. I don't think I'm like, you know. You are. Like I didn't know what to expect. Obviously, I've never met you. You know how the industry is. You never know if you're going to. You've met many people, I'm sure, in the industry that you're like, oh, fuck.

51:40That sucks. So you never know. And I was wondering if it would be unattractive to you if someone's like a little nervous. You want someone that's confident. Confident, but not like it's OK if they're nervous, too. Yeah. But like they shouldn't be. So I don't know. What is your best quality as a partner? I think I'm a really good team player. And I think that I just communicate really well. And I'm a really supportive person. So if we're in it, we're in it. And I'll do everything to support you. And I think I'm a really good partner. What do you think is something you need to work on in relationships for yourself?

52:20I don't know how. I think it would be hard now. I've lived my life one way for a long time. and I do think it's hard to mesh your life with someone. I don't know, like, you know, Courtney and Travis came in with kids and like, you know, it's an adjustment when you have like blended families. I just don't know if I have the energy or maybe I just haven't met the right person that I wanna blend my life with. I don't know. I think you haven't met the right person yet. Yeah. How would you describe your typical type? I think it's so different. I don't think I have a type. I feel like you either go so far most of the time.

53:00It's either been music world or athlete world. And then there was like Pete. I know. If we had to pick today, are we going rappers or are we going athletes? Neither. Neither. I think we're going like lawyers and like longevity scientists that can give me all their secrets. Yeah. Oh, Kim. Yeah. I like that for you. Yeah. I feel like you need someone to really mentally and emotionally stimulate you. Yeah. Because you're fucking smart. Thank you, babe. What is something that you used to be attracted to that you're not anymore? Flash. I used to be attracted to like big and flashy and I could care less.

53:45What if he walked in in khakis and a polo? I mean, I would want him to dress simple. Like Birkenstocks. Yeah, no, no, no. Okay. Like I want him to have like style. Or you could help him. Yeah, but like you kind of have to have it in you. Yeah. Have you ever been cheated on? I have. Yeah. How did you find out? He told me. Oh. Mm-hmm. Immediately after or long after? Long after. And you were still together? Uh-huh. How did you deal with that? I just kind of was like, huh.

54:21Tell me more, you know? But like when you're – that was like a more recent thing. But when you're in like a toxic like 20-year-old – Someone recently cheated on you? Not like super recently. Oh. But like when you're in your 20s and stuff, it's like all out psycho war. Like take them down. Yeah. Like psychoness when you're in one of those like – and that has happened. But it's like calling the person. I'll always call the person and go off. Called the person that they cheated with? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. God, it's been so long. Yeah. You're like, I missed the thrill. It's like psycho side of me, like, would come out just to make the call.

55:07And then I'd be like, okay, that felt good. Okay, but now you, in the last time you confronted someone. Just like, what's the point at this point? I think I'm just at a phase and at an age. I hate to be like, at this age. But it's like, what's the point? Did you end it after he told you or no? I was in a tough position. I didn't. And I was in a tough position because I don't think they were in a position to have shared that information. It wasn't like a healthy place. And so I kind of didn't know if I should take it seriously or not. And I had to wait a time period to like really assess and see what was, happening.

55:57I see. Yeah. If you found the love of your life, he comes into the picture. Do you think you would get married again? I would. Absolutely. Would you do a big wedding? I think it depends on the person. I could easily just like do a super cash. No, I can't do cash. But like, yeah, but I it would depend on the person. Like that was cute that you tried for a minute. You're like, I can go so casual, like backyard. You're like, what am I talking about? If you had to say today, who would you want to design your wedding dress? Well, I was starting to have Manfred Terry Mugler design a wedding dress, even though I just because I wanted it in my archive of like what I would wear.

56:39And I had the perfect one and we were designing it and making it. And I just wanted that. Just for a rainy day? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'd still go with that wedding dress that I would want. Okay. Oh, you would still you would go back to that in archive? Yeah, I really loved it. This like Terry Mugler wedding dress. And is it just like in one of your archives? No, we didn't get to finish making it. We just talked about it. And he said we were going to start making it. I was like, just trust me. No, I just want it. I just know I need this in my archive for one day. I just want to be ready. That would be really special.

57:15Yeah. Which of your sisters do you trust the most to set you up with the guy? Maybe Chloe. we has she ever no just a feeling but yeah yeah like she would know me so much but i feel like kendall would make really good choices yeah i feel like kendall's got like a good little rolodex over there that she could be like try this one like she's she's working with the right crowd yeah okay yeah okay this is very important okay what is your take on the kardashian curse Hmm. I always really hated that. I really did. I think it's like really unfair to say that women are the problem when it comes to issues that our exes might be dealing with and that they had those issues before.

58:12and I mean if you want to talk about the positive I mean my mom was with like a gold medal Olympian when Chloe was with Lamar there was championships being won you know with the Lakers I was dating a football player and he won the Super Bowl I mean there was like really positive amazing things that happened and then And I do appreciate what you said about that because I agree with you. I think there's such a fixation on what happened to the men also as if there's no accountability on their part. Like it has to be all of you are just, wow, okay, you're all so powerful that you did this to all these men and they have no hand in their life and they have no autonomy.

59:03It's just these crazy witch sisters that were able to do. No accountability. Someone that doesn't take accountability is my biggest pet peeve and my biggest red flag and my biggest just like bottom line, absolutely not. And I think that that is such a thing if you think about it, blaming us when, okay, this person was doing this before. Like people just don't want to put the accountability on the men. And that really does bother me. Out of all the baby daddies, who's your favorite? I think I'm the closest with Tristan. Okay. And Scott. I forgot about, yeah, Scott. We're super close. I mean, Travis is such a great, you know, person to all of us.

59:52Yeah, we have some pretty good baby daddies. Can we talk about the state of you and Kanye's co-parenting relationship? What do you think co-parenting with Kanye West is like?

1:00:11Well, yeah, I guess that's what I'm curious. I'm wondering how are you doing and how much is on you, Kim? It's not easy. But, I mean, I raise the kids, you know, full time. They live with me. and I welcome a great healthy relationship with my kids and their dad. And I think he knows that. I push for it all the time, but I also protect them when it's time for that and it goes in waves and phases and it's a lot of work. But like I said earlier, like I have the best memories and the best relationship, you know, with my dad. And even like I love that, you know, I see Tristan puts, you know, their kids to bed every night and takes them to school every day when he's not, you know, in season.

1:01:17So I just welcome healthy relationships. But it's not easy. When was the last time Kanye saw the kids? Hmm.

1:01:31whenever he'll call for them and ask it's probably been a couple months since we've heard from him but how do you handle because it's all on you in those moments the disappointment if any from the kids like how do you explain those moments to them they always knew that he had a big life traveling before and was always on tour and all of that so it's it's you know and that he lives in different countries all the time and loves to live all over the place so you know we manage it really well. They love their life and their routine and their schedule. And I think just their job as their mom is just to make sure that they stick to their routine and they're healthy and happy.

1:02:18And look, it's not easy no matter what, co-parenting with anyone. And I think that the one thing that just gets me is that there's this narrative that I keep the kids. I've never once away from him. I've never once done that. And there's been so many times where I've been like, oh, I just want to show all of these texts. What are you talking about? We just haven't heard. I begged them to go hang out or things like that. But it's more of just the narrative that I think it's all good and we're living our life. And then I just wake up and there's all these tweets about how I've kidnapped the kids.

1:03:06And I'm like, it's not a kidnapping. It's a divorce. We can still all be in each other's lives and have group dinner. I mean, I just grew up so different seeing my family co-parent so great. And I see it with Chloe and Tristan. And I just see really healthy relationships. So So when the time is right, I'm sure that would, you know, maybe timelines, you know, my mom would always say like, you got to give it like five years of being divorced before everything like really comes together and everyone can like coexist and like be friends, but it's not going to be like that for the first few years. So.

1:03:48I appreciate you clarifying that though, because I was going to ask you like what you think the biggest misconception about your co-parenting dynamic was. And if I'm honest, it was because I was kind of wondering about that because I agree with you. I feel like I have seen online some people really speculate like, oh my God, she doesn't let him see the kids and she's just keeping them to herself and blah, blah, blah because of tweets or whatever that we've seen. So then people can allude like, wow, Kim's not letting him see them. And I do think again - Every time he is asked, I will always let them see their father.

1:04:23That's just who I am. If there's a time where it's just really super unhealthy, I will say, hey, let's do it here at my house or let's figure out a different time. But actually, when he is like that, he doesn't really want to see the kids a lot. So if he's having a hard time, he doesn't. And so it's always worked out. But he lives in all these different countries. and I send them to Saudi Arabia and Italy and Japan and all over the world every time he asks. I've never once denied it. And no, I don't keep the kids. And I think that all, that narrative really sucks for me. And if I spoke out about it and rebutted it, I'm just not that girl online that's gonna like fight back and be like, wait a minute, your assistant and you said you wanted a whole different birthday party.

1:05:16And you said your party's at four. so we did ours at noon and now you're going online saying that I'm like it's just a totally different narrative than what the reality is and that just really sucks yeah I was wondering that because you know the world has obviously seen it like Kanye has said some pretty like horrible things about you as a mother publicly and you never really respond um what toll does it take on you to stay silent. I know. There's been so many times where I've written a draft and been like, I'm going to go. I'm just like, and then I'm just like, what's the point? You know, what is the point?

1:06:04Is it, am I going to go back and forth? My kids are going to see this. They'll figure it all out when they want to make those decisions. And I used to be so protective and so like hide everything. And then, you know, sometimes it's like you just can't hide it all. And I better prepare them for what life is going to be like for when they figure it all out. So, I mean, I never say anything negative about my kid's dad just because like it's out there. Like the last thing my kids need is for them to hear it from me. And I never saw my parents talk bad about each other no matter what was going on. So I do think that that's just who I am.

1:06:50I just don't want to go there with like fighting back saying negative things, you know? And I think that's something that so many people really respect you for. But I think there's also the side of people that are like, I don't know how she does it. Because there's been so many moments that I can, yes, I can imagine I would write the draft to. And then right as you're going to post, you're like, why? I wish I did last time. I had a good post ready to go. Did you at least send it to your like sisters? Oh, yeah. The group chat, read it, approved it. What do you think was one of the hardest moments for you to stay silent on?

1:07:30I don't care what you say about me. I don't care what you say about the world and your beliefs and any of that anything about my children I don't care what it is you know it that's hard for me to sit back and be like come on you know even just like you know sharing stuff about them you know yeah it is hard to it is hard to sit back and when he says things about my mom that's what's really hard for me because she loves him and to this day like still does and is super you know emotional about it and sad about it and it was it was a big part of our lives you know so I mean my kids I say such positive things about their dad that like North had to say to me mom I think you go upstairs and like, you know, cry at night.

1:08:29Like, it's okay. Like, it's time to move on. You need to have a boyfriend now. Cause like, you know, and I'm like, wait, what? Like, what? I cry? Like, no, I'm getting a massage like upstairs. What, what, what do you think is happening? And I, and I was like, oh my God, I say such positive things all the time. And I'm like in the car, if they want to listen to music, like as hard as it is for me, like, I want them to think the best things you know and so she was just like you know like like they see that you know so I'm just like okay I gotta give it up you know I'm chill like we get it yeah you don't have to keep pretending you're like oh we see what it is at this point you know like come on so I was like oh okay fair just gonna never mention it again north clock you'd be like get a boyfriend.

1:09:17You're like, oh, shit, North. Okay. Even just you talking about your kids, everything you say, it goes back to your children. You just seem like such an incredible mom. What do you think is your best quality as a mom? I am extremely close with my kids. Like best friend, they know I'm their mom, but like I am the mom that they all come and tell everything to. I know all the tea at school. I know I'm the one with all the friends. They come and tell all the stuff too. So like all their friends like trust me and want to tell me everything. And I love being in that position. You know, every weekend there must be about eight to 12 kids sleeping at my house every single weekend.

1:10:00I'm like the house. I love it. I've gotten like these huge big like sleeping bag like things and they just like go in a row and I have bunk beds and like, it's like the house, like every weekend. So that makes me really feel really good about that. I just have such a great relationship with my kids that we talk about everything. And that just makes me so proud, proud of like who they are. And it's funny because like, I don't talk about it a lot on our show, but like there was a phase where like, you know, maybe my daughter like for a week wanted to sleep over at her dad's. And I said like, oh she wants to go live with him or I said something and then people thought we didn't have a good relationship and I'm like wait wait this is like my bestie we're like the closest and so it's like a fine line of also like there's so much I want to share about them on the show and I just I want him to grow up and like figure it all out but like I have the best kids and I'm so like happy that they're mine no it's really cool I mean four kids I was thinking about it before you got here.

1:11:05I'm like, they have the most unique names. Is there any name that you had on your mind for any of them that you could share with us that didn't make the list? Yeah. Okay. So when North was born, Kanye wanted to name her Noriega. and so then we went with like noriega nori north so that like yeah or um he wanted to name her his mom's name donda and we considered that but i'm a big believer in like your own name and so you're not having to live up to a standard of what someone thought they wanted you to be like or what like pushing you into someone who you're not so i really wanted her to have her own name let's talk about north okay

1:12:19let's talk about north okay as you basically just said she's so outspoken she has so many i love how she's like get a boyfriend mom um what is the most humbling thing she's ever said to you Oh, she will humble me. I mean, I think she just said to me like the other day, like, mom, you've got to get remarried. Like you're getting too old and like no one is like gonna deal with this. And I was just like, what? She says it to me all the time. She's like, who are we going to set you up with? Like, what are we going to do? And I'm like, babe, I'm just okay. Like chilling. And she's like, no, you're like growing out of that phase.

1:13:00you're like not gonna you know and i'm like huh okay i'm dying it's like literally she's speaking to kim kardashian she's like you're kind of like losing it a little bit go get a guy you're like oh okay north yeah um how did you feel when she called your house ugly she yeah she thought that like really dug deep with me and she would be like everything's all beige. Like you're so ugly. I have this voice note that I'm going to save for her. And she was crying saying that she couldn't believe that her parents love Balenciaga. And by the way, it's like her favorite brand and it's like all she wears.

1:13:43But at the time she was just like, I can't believe these are the brands my parents own and everything is so beige and everything is so like she had a moment and now she's like obsessed. Of course. Yeah. Of course. She's like, wait, mom, can I borrow that? You're like, I thought you hated it. Yeah. Yeah. Online, there's been so much conversation about her recently, but how is all of that affecting your family right now? You know what? She's so creative and she's so amazing. And really, it's so funny. She's like really mature in one sense where she'll be like, mom, I saw this. And like, I don't really care that they don't like, if someone says they don't like my blue hair or like my, you know, like this or that.

1:14:37And she's really confident and is like, I probably wouldn't be hanging out with those people if you saw what did they look like and what are they wearing. And I think any mom of a teenager or a preteen, unless you've been here, please, we just need a little bit of grace. It's really hard. And it's interesting because all the kids are like wearing the same things, but then my daughter tries to wear it. And then I'm like, okay, we're never wearing that again. Unfortunately, we made that mistake in front of the whole world. And she's, you know, usually a girl that dresses like a tomboy most of the time.

1:15:21And she wanted to try something that her friends were wearing and went to the same place that they went to. And they all got these, you know, outfits. And then she wears them and it's just like, you know, okay, a mom, you're kind of like learning at the same time. But what I do know is my baby's such a good girl and such a sweet girl. And like the things that she has experienced where she might have like been outspoken or did something, she learns from that and she sees it. And then she's like, oh, I don't like like how I said that. And oh, I don't want to be like that. Or oh, you know what, mom okay you're right like she does listen to me but in other areas I'm like babe if you want blue hair like it is what it is you know that's it makes her so happy I would never take that creative away from her um but yeah I just think anyone that's raising kids especially for kids by myself I'm doing the best that I can and my babies are good babies so I just urge everyone to like not be judgmental and to have grace on single moms trying to figure it all out with like, you know, a preteen.

1:16:33It's a lot. If you know, you know. Yeah. And I think it's also like having grace for a child where we all have been there experimenting with our look and whatever, and we didn't have to have it on, you know, people watching us and commenting. If her rebellion is dyeing her hair and like wearing, you know, whatever. But she's like my bestie and being so close. I'd rather my girl be with me and be with me all the time. And let's experiment with every hair color. Like I also nurture her creative side, you know. She's the girl that comes home and just wants to work in the music studio and can be in the studio for like eight hours straight and loves it and like just thrives off of it.

1:17:19So like I also nurture her creative side also and want that for her. I also love what you said about how you have become the mom where like everyone's coming to you and telling you everything. And I think that's so beautiful because one, I feel like you have that with your sisters. Yes. And you kind of like have now been able to have that extension of yourself be available to your kids and their friends. And so I think it's incredible that they do feel comfortable to come and talk to you rather than kids that are like whether they're hiding it or whatever everyone's situation is different but i what you're essentially saying is you've got a handle on it you know how you're parenting everyone come down now focus on if you're having to parent and like let this kid live totally like my house is like literally my door is wide open all north and her friends come in running in like you know trying on my stuff or looking through my stuff and even like i've had those conversations with north about like makeup because she loves her her her lip liner and um she'll be like, but mom, like I grew up literally my whole life sitting in your lap while you're getting your makeup done, watching you do it.

1:18:27Like she even said, you know, Mario and your team has been like my teachers. I've had the best teachers. And she sits, her and her friends, like, I love that they're also super immature and like not grown. And what they do on their weekends is they go in the room and they do all their makeup or like looks like they'll make someone Pokemon. We have, you know, she does special effects makeup all the time and is taking classes. So like she turns all of her friends into these characters or, or, and then they like take fun pictures and do silly like TikToks. And then, you know, they wash it all off and then they try something on again.

1:19:04So she's like for me to not want to wear lip liner and like, you know, have her eyebrows slit or whatever she does, like, she's like, it's just me, like, trying things. And like, I've seen you do it, like, your whole life. Like, I've grown up with it. Why can't I try it? So I'm like, you know what? Okay. Like. It's beautiful. Yeah. Let's talk about business. Yes. Throughout your career, what has helped you really figure out what you're passionate about and what your strengths are? Well, I think anytime something is really successful that I've done has been something that I just absolutely love and I'm so passionate about.

1:19:44And I think that you have to like sift through what that is. And that doesn't always mean something that's like super amazing financially. It could be like a little one-off project that I want to do just because I love the product and I'm really into it. And I think anytime there's something that you just like really love and you're working like 100 % behind it, it'll pop off and be so successful. Yeah. Let's talk about Skims. Yeah. It was initially called Kimono when you first launched. A lot of backlash. Then you guys ended up changing the name. How were you able to pivot so successfully? Yeah.

1:20:23I mean, that was a name, Kimono. You know, my name, Kim, is obviously in that. And I just like thought it was like kind of kitschy. It was a little confusing. Did we only sell kimonos? I don't think we really thought that through. But as soon as we started getting backlash, we had a million garments printed with the logo in it. And I thought, this is a huge business decision, but there's no way we can move forward with the name. I didn't feel comfortable with it. And we quickly pivoted and just Skims came to us. And it's such a better name. And it's so good. Yeah. It's so good. So I gave our kimono.com, I gave that all over to, you know, the people in Japan that really, you know, deserve that.

1:21:05And I think if you have such respect, I had so much respect for the culture, I would never want to do anything to, to really, you know, make it be a big issue. every time I had a launch, I knew immediately something had to change. So it was just like, look, I know I'm not going to get the garment printed logo. I'm going to have to now put a logo on top and sew them on and like, let's take a beat. Let's redo this. Let's figure out a new name. And I think, again, it's about taking accountability. You own up to it. You take accountability and you fix it and you move on. It's such a great point. Every business has its hiccups.

1:21:40Every business has a moment where you're like, we did this wrong. And I think how quickly you were able to pivot. I also think garnered so much respect also because people are like, okay, wow, she acknowledged it. She took accountability. She moved on. Then you go to grow this massive, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive success. It is so beyond impressive. In the beginning days of Skims, what were you the most involved in? I think it's still remain the same. I do like all the creative, all of the, now we have big product teams, but like a lot of our design is what things that I'm, you know, requesting and send references for the whole team will go out and get fabrics.

1:22:23I'm always picking the fabrics. I do all of our colors. My favorite thing to do is do our color palette. Um, but I oversee like every campaign and pick all the, you know, talent for the campaigns and we'll have a whole team that'll bring me like different campaign ideas and photography. So I oversee it all daily. And it's about knowing how to get the right people that really know what they're doing to be in those positions that you really trust to make those decisions if you can't, if I can't. But we're all super close and really involved. And yeah, I love it. Okay. Talk to me about what is next for Skims.

1:23:06I know we have a little something going on with Nike. Yeah, we are launching a full other brand with Nike that we have created. So Nike Skims. And I'm so excited about that because we wanted to launch Skim Sport. And we were going to do a whole sport collection. And then we really thought about it. Like, would we do a collab? Who would that be with? And then number one is Nike, right? Like the brand, I just thought it was like the ultimate. Right. And then I thought, why would we just do a one-off collab? I work out every day. I want to have continuous product in a sport category, and I want to create a whole other brand.

1:23:46And so that's what this is, and it's really exciting. I just can't wait for people to see the collection and the campaign and everything. You're so right. A collab is a moment in time. And this is forever. This is something that we can shop. This is something that will be new launches. I just think like with our aesthetic and Nike's innovation, that's what I really wanted. And they're distributed all over the world. So it's like, I just wanted it to be everywhere. I'm really excited about it. Talk to me about your law journey. Have you taken the bar yet? What's going on, Kimberly? I just took the bar in July.

1:24:27It was an experience. It was a lot. I took four months off. That's why I didn't respond to the bag thing because I was like, you know what, I'm putting my phone down. I took off four months to really focus on that and I didn't work on anything else. And I just focused on studying and I took it and I'm hoping for the best, praying to God. Wait, when do we find out if you pass? November. November. Okay, wait, and if you pass, are you going to join a practice? Are you going to open your own firm? I would love to maybe work on a few cases and see if I like being a trial attorney. Okay, that's a good start.

1:25:09I think that would be fun before I open up a firm. I mean, I think the ultimate goal is just to help as many people as possible and get them out for people that can't really afford the attorney's fees and need help really finding the right team, getting all their paperwork done to help expedite the process of just getting them home. And I think it all stems again from family, right? I want to reunite families. That's what got me into this. I thought, what happens if someone in my family does something that is a horrible decision and then it tears apart our whole family forever? And I would see it's not just the person that goes away.

1:25:49It's their whole families and so that's kind of why i got into this and you know i went to the white house and and i was called to a clemency meeting in the roosevelt room and i'll never forget it i was in a room and everyone was using all this like fancy lingo and i just was like what the fuck are they like like easy abbreviations that were like very political stuff that i just like had no clue what it meant. And I'm literally texting another attorney I know across the room being like, what does this mean? What does this mean? And I was so embarrassed. I didn't act like it. No one would ever know.

1:26:26I handled that like they would have thought I knew exactly what I was talking about, but I didn't. And I was embarrassed inside that I just didn't know what everyone was talking about. And I never wanted to feel that way again. So. Will you post if you? Fuck yeah. out. I'm not even going to put out. You're passing. Here's the thing. I did it in an unconventional way. And I think people assume that it's the easier route. And it really isn't. I had to spend 20 hours a week in a law firm studying. And the program was a four-year program. And I had enough credits to get in there, but I didn't have my bachelor's degree.

1:27:13So I didn't like you can either finish the last year of college and go to three years of law school at a law school, or just you have enough credits, you could just go right into this four-year program. But you're going to have to go in yourself, and I have to do 20 hours of work a week as an attorney, and then learn about it on my own. And so I had to hire teachers and professors to teach me while I'm working. And I said, you know what? I've never done anything really the conventional way. I don't really care to have my bachelor's degree. I just want my law degree. So I did that. And it took me six years because every time I try to take the baby bar, if you don't pass, you have to wait six months.

1:27:55So it took me six years. I finally passed that. And you know what? It's like, it's such a mind buck taking the bar exam. It really is the hardest thing. Much respect to every law student that takes it. It's like - can't imagine. I hear you. I see you. I feel you. It's a lot. Okay. Well, November, we'll be waiting. You're going to pass. But if not, I'm not going to give up. No, no. You're going to be great. I'm going to. But I'm putting out the good juju. Perfect. We're not speaking about if you don't. Thank you. You're also playing a lawyer in your new show, All's Fair. How do you have time to do all this?

1:28:32What is going on? I am like the best at time management. You are. I am like, it's my thing. as long as I can take my kids to school then in between while I'm getting ready I you know do all my other stuff and my skim stuff and you know approving campaigns and images and like I the one thing that I am known for I think is like the quickest responder on a text yeah I just like get get it done we did Courtney respond oh she's like bitch hello nothing thing she goes oh geez what lol okay so she's serious she's not that scared no okay thank god um why did you want to get into acting i wanted to get into acting because well i was presented with a unique opportunity for ryan murphy yes and then i thought i mean why not this is so crazy and then once i did american horror story he was like can we do the series and i was just like Like, okay.

1:29:39I didn't really know what it took or what it entailed or the hours or anything. And then he got the most amazing cast together. Insane. Like, I remember when the trailer came out, everyone was like, what, what, what, what? They're in it. They're in it. Like, it was insane. But then I'm thinking about you. How did filming the Kardashians compare to going and actually being an actress on a set? It's so different. Yeah. It's so different. Well, first of all, I wanted to make sure I was so prepared. I'm walking on this set with these amazing actresses that have seen it all, done it all. Last thing I'm going to do is not be prepared when I show up.

1:30:18I'm gathering that. You know, I'm like, so I made sure that I set my schedule to where I can just take my kids to school three days a week. And then the other two, then I'd drive right in. And then the other two, 16 hour days, you know, and it was just, it was a lot. so it was about I would sometimes just be finishing at like 7 a.m roll in be able to drive them to school come back take a nap and then get ready and go back to set so just being like a mom is obviously the most important thing to me but also seeing showing them my hustle and that I just it's so fun to try new things and I figured if I didn't like it like it is what it is you know but I love it and and it's so fun challenging myself and I think I had like this and not advantage but like this familiar I'm so used to cameras being around me that like I'm not even really aware so like it's just feels like natural to me yeah we have skims we have the bar we have acting we have the hardest of them all and the best of them all being a mom and then we have the next season of the kardashians and like okay when do you sleep um that's coming out soon i love sleep okay when i could sleep anywhere you could like if you kind of lean back right now you could totally okay yeah okay i can sleep anywhere anytime that's good though so you can just do a quick little 15 minute nap back ready to go yeah the one thing i'm super excited about is skims beauty that is coming next and that's gonna be so fucking major yeah when is that coming i had you know i loved kkw beauty and then i sold the company and then I bought it back.

1:32:21So I sold that to Skims. Do you see though every single person online being like, if you don't bring back the lip liners? The lip liners, they're coming. They are coming. And the KKW Beauty, like the, you know, the original. I feel like I tried to do something. I love when I like know what works and then I try something and I know what doesn't work and that's okay. And so we're going to bring back what works and we're going to make it so major and so great and like so great. Dude, there are girls online that would be like, there's this much left and I literally refuse to use it unless it's like for my wedding or for my I'm like oh the girls are gonna be so happy yeah that that's like people were I think so confused when they were like wait a minute she bought back her beauty business but then skims bought it what's happening like why did she do that so I just skims has such a great production team and you know you know from like our team and our camp like we're gonna make it so much fun and just fragrance and makeup and all the things.

1:33:22Girl, for someone who literally started and people were like, oh, she's just famous for nothing. You try it. You know? If it's nothing, try it. Try it. Give it a go. Yeah. How easy. Yeah. Next season of Kardashians. Can you give us anything that you can tease? Well, you kind of did earlier. Yeah. My brother's on. How did you guys get him to come on? I think Chloe was teasing that. It's just like sometimes he feels like it. Sometimes he doesn't, you know. And we respect that, you know. We respect all of the privacy and whatever he wants. What else? Caitlyn was on. She hasn't been on this whole series.

1:34:11Okay. Yeah. I'm excited. Yeah. Kim Kardashian. Shein. I cannot. That wasn't that bad, right? You answered a lot of the questions. I wasn't sure what you were going to be up to today. Yeah. Because, you know, you've been around the block. Like, I know. I'm an open book, though. Yeah. No, and I know it's like we've seen so much of your life. So I didn't know how much you would be willing to share or not share because you're also in a different phase of your life where it's like you said, like, you do have kids and you have these things and that you're you're protecting certain parts of yourself but you've always been open so I don't know why I thought maybe you would hold back you lived up to every hype you gave me all the tea that I hoped and you're just as incredible in person like this was such an incredible interview thank you for sitting down with me seriously so nice really cool to meet you I'm so happy I came

1:35:14Thank you.