Kim Petras: The Throat Goat

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. Kim Petras, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Yay, hi, thanks for having me. I am so happy you came in your sparkle clogs. Hell yeah. You showed up. Had to bust them out. How did you pick your outfit today? Just kind of, I went off the clogs. They really dictated everything else. I don't know, just kind of felt like witchy. I've been in my witchy vibe. You need to confirm for everyone though, are they comfortable? Yeah, they're comfortable. like i would say like like pool slide vibes pool slide just a little heavier but you're not going to like run in those no even though i probably could and should i just have to say i'm so happy for you you are everywhere right now in the best way your music your personality like everything you're doing is just fucking incredible and i'm so excited for you you won a grammy hi like no big fucking deal how did it feel to win a grammy and how did you celebrate um it felt insane it felt like something that just shouldn't happen to me honestly uh you know i'm i'm such a like you know i've just been performing in like gay clubs for so long and been like in that scene and like sam really changed my life with that song and um i mean i i went to diplo's party after so that was really really fun diplo's fun i'm a big fan um and yeah i just like saw my friends and we were all just like in disbelief just like oh my god this really just happened i'm so grateful i got to like shout out sophie on on stage and that i remembered that too um uh because like i could have just blacked out uh and i thanked my mom and uh so it was just like such a like big moment that I didn't think would happen ever since then it's just been like a lot less sleep like it's definitely like post-grammy like it's just like kept going and kept getting more and more and more but I like it so it's cool dude that is so crazy to think about going on stage and accepting a grammy and just being like I hope I can get my words out I know like I hope I say one thing that like did you have a full speech planned or no I did but I like five minutes before like our category was on I I just like put it away and I was like, just speak from like this moment and from your heart.

2:28And yeah, because Sam really put me in spots. Sam was like, I'm going to have you accept the Grammy if we win it just because I've done it. And like, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, please, no, don't do that to me. Like, I was like, please. But I'm so grateful now that I like did it. And like, I'm such a shy and nervous person in my life, which you wouldn't think for my music, because my music is kind of where I live out by craziest ideas and fantasies. but I'm a pretty shy person and um so yeah that was wild and I remember like looking at like JLo's face and like Jay-Z sitting there and just being like I can't believe this that's so interesting I feel like now having sat down with people in the music industry like we were talking about Anita yes how Anita is the best shout out we love you shout out um but Anita also kind of talked to me about that of like she's actually really shy and then like she has this alter ego that she infuses into her music and it's just the way that she's able to like put her I guess side like personality that she wants to be into Anita the character yeah which is kind of cool do you feel like that's similar with you one million percent I feel like that's always just been like my saving grace in life from like my shyness it's just when I'm on stage it's like something clicks and I'm a completely different person and I just feel in line with everything I don't overthink myself I feel like confident because like the one thing that I know how to do is perform and write songs like that's always been like everything else I'm like horrible at and just like can't fit like I can't even cook like I can't do shit you know I love how you're like I can't cook but I just want a fucking grammy bitch that's right it's okay Kim it's okay I think we would all take that over being able to cook

4:27you also were recently on the cover of sports illustrated swimsuit growing up did you ever picture yourself being on the cover of a magazine um no i was in my school like i remember being like such a like freak to everyone because like since i was a kid it was like very public that i was trance and like I was very open about it and so I was just kind of this like nerdy weird kid and like no one thought I was like pretty or sexy or anything like that and so um I I doubted being able to do that stuff and especially being like in a swimsuit was like I was I definitely had like a nervous breakdown like the day before I'm like can I like pose in a swimsuit and be that because I just yeah I didn't think I could but then there's like amazing people and photographers and like the whole sports illustrator team who just like hyped me up and we're just like you know making me feel so good about myself that it like all just like happened like they really make me feel like I belong on the cover and it makes me want to cry because like I I'm such a person who just like doesn't think of themselves as like you know all that when you say that when you were younger that you were like people never saw me as like sexy and cute when do you think you started to actually for yourself did you always feel sexy and cute you're like fuck you guys like I'm sexy and cute or did it come at a certain point um I mean it's still waiting uh no I mean I um honestly I think what gave me a lot of a lot of confidence and what built my confidence was becoming an artist and becoming a writer and going on stages and stuff like that and once I kind of found my like friends and and gay people in general who like celebrated me for who I am and uh that whole you know I think once I started going to gay clubs I was like I belong here and I I get the music I get the people I get what it's all about so I think that's when I started to like myself and all of that but I think in general like it's never like my goal to be like sexy or to be hot it's always like I want to bring like a little bit of a like weirdness to things because I've always felt like I was kind of just like on the outside of things and I find I don't know I find more happiness in looking a little off and a little weirder than just looking hot I totally get what you're saying sometimes I actually think it's way better to feel like you're a little outside because then you're also just going based off of your own parameters of like half the time we're just trying to be like other people that's so fucking boring like I don't want to be like anyone else but I also think I appreciate you saying like I'm still working on it no one even you can look at Kim online like she's got it all together she's winning Grammys she's hanging out with celebrities it's like but we're all still working on ourselves in some capacity till the day it's over so it's like for sure you have to you have to we and you're from germany right i'm from germany yeah can you tell me in german how to say welcome to call her daddy uh welcome to uh nancy fata oh german is the unsexiest language of all time i feel like that's why i'm also like i've just always been like a little more uh the weird german immigrant you know in america because like it's just not a sexy language i have a song on my spooky halloween album where i sing german and it comes in handy when you want to sound scary oh because most people are really scared when us like when i yell at you in german you're scared wait can you yell at me in german like alex fuck off get your shit together ask me better questions alex fick dish give me bessere fragen hello oh my god alex give me best right it's scary that is scary but i can't i do kind of feel like you made it kind of sexy like like i think you have a little you know you got something oh okay i'm gonna learn how to say all that by the end of this okay so you talk about how you started your career in gay clubs all around the country yeah clearly that was such a huge part of your coming up and in this industry how did people in the clubs initially treat you and like how did they like you and your personality and your vibe and your music I think um they just really immediately kind of got it I mean I remember like my first uh few years like going back and forth from New York and just kind of being a club kid and having my first few songs out and just like performing on a bar stool or like a table you know like um and people were just like i get this and i understand this and just like since i'm a part of the community it's like it makes sense but they were the first like all the little bushwick kids like were the first ones to play my music and i'll never forget that because it was like with a lot of like going into like labels and stuff like that it was a lot of um we don't know what your demographic would be and like Like, is it, you know, you make gay club music.

9:33And it was kind of in a bad way and not in a good way, like, to them. Because, like, that wasn't going to make as much money. And that's always really confusing to me. Because to me, that's, like, the coolest thing when people play you in gay clubs. Right. That's literally all you could ask for. Like, you want all the gays being like, fuck yes, this is the bar. Totally. Oh, wow. Did that ever kind of affect you in your musical decisions? Like, did you ever find yourself being like, should I go a little bit more one way? I think if anything, it made me double down on it. Like it just like whenever someone says that something is like something that I'm passionate about and something that I love, I go harder in that is not it.

10:14I go harder in that direction. And I feel like so that honestly gave me like so much like will to like prove that there's people who will come to my shows and that I can have a big song and all of all of that stuff. yeah and we can sell bitch we won a grammy yeah we can totally we won a grammy we have number one when you're saying you're in these clubs do you remember any like early fun stories for us of like memories from performing in these clubs that have stuck with you of like just iconic moments for yourself in your career signing dicks um is one of them that must be yeah that's pretty out there that's pretty good totally like doing my fans poppers on stage uh hitting wheat pens from my signing wheat pens um yeah i signed all kinds of body parts i hung out with the hottest porn stars um yeah like it was it was it's wild and i love it and i still like every now and then i just like need it i just need to go to uh you know like a warehouse rave and go crazy and i'll do all that but but yeah those were like iconic moments i think also mandalapora being at my first gig mandalapora is this like new york icon um and yeah uh just so many iconic people that i've met through clubs that is so fucking cool to just be like that's also how your career started of like basically you're just having fun partying and you're singing and everyone loves your music and you're just like thriving but I wonder do you ever yeah I was gonna say do you miss that because then you're like standing on stage and it's a little bit more formal yeah there's some more choreograph I do miss it a little bit I miss mostly going to uh to clubs undetected I can go to straight clubs now undetected but I can't go to gay clubs anymore without taking a million photos and I I party you know I feel like I really love to you know just party and not think about how I look and you know that that might be not the you know I'm like sweaty and red and all the pictures and so so that's put a little bit of like pressure on it but like I feel like I figured out my like disguises and stuff like that and yeah honestly like I need like a fake beard and like oh yeah i feel like that'd be really yeah like a little short haircut crew neck little wig maybe like red or maybe that's too much attention maybe a black sunglasses huge mustache totally a detransition moment

12:55i am actually interested to growing up in germany like what is the difference between nightclubs in Germany versus nightclubs in America? Ooh, I think it goes way later in Germany. I think people are down to be there until the morning, which is fun, especially if you think about Berlin and Bergheim and all that stuff. It's definitely, and there's more techno. There's weirder music in general. It's just like a lot of electro music. I would say house music is huge. Do you prefer American clubs or German clubs? oh they both have their you know pros and cons yeah i think in general like now like american class because like i need to actually be up the next day and do stuff right i always when i was younger was like i was liking going out late but now as i get older i'm like why can't we start at five o 'clock i know start raging and go to bed by midnight and like i can do the same shit we can drink the same like we can do all the same shit i endorse this i endorse this idea like i love like starting early now and just like waking up the next day not completely fucked like completely yeah because in your next like 48 hours you're just not a human being functioning in the world yeah and i can't afford to do that with this career yeah totally you can't and me neither like we have to like do shit now yeah exactly yeah so american clubs just because it's a little bit more responsible in terms of our timing yeah if we're trying to have a good time let's go to Germany definitely I think people in general just like go a little more crazy there got it what is your favorite song of yours to hear played in a club oh my favorite song of mine to play in a club uh treat me like a slut yeah I have this record called slut pop which is all just like my sluttiest self and just only saying the most ridiculous sex shit uh there is which was so freeing and fun to make and um honestly like I feel like all my coolest fans like that's their favorite um so yeah treat me like a slut I love that answer so much and we're gonna talk about slut pop in a little bit because it's truly iconic and it's a collar daddy something very cool about your career is the fact that you are self-made you have been doing this since you were super young you were teaching yourself how to write and how to produce in your bedroom where do you think that drive came from honestly from being excluded from social life i feel like uh no one really got me you know in my like small town in germany because i'm not not technically from cologne even which is already kind of a small city i was like two hours outside uh like countryside cows grass um and i just um i loved music that was kind of the one thing that I would always do like always listen to music on repeat and pop music in particular and I would just harmonize and make my own little concepts and things like that so I think it's just something that comes like natural to me um but then I would just like sit down in my room and just really every single day because I didn't like school I wasn't very good in school I wasn't horrible in school but I was like okay in school and I was just like I'm gonna be the next biggest hit songwriter and that's a skill I can work on every single day.

16:14And yeah, and then I got into writing jingles for like commercials and trying to write for other artists, pitching songs. And yeah, I really feel like that is just like my savior is that I'm able to write music. Yeah. It's so inspiring to hear you talk obviously about like there's a lot of people that can probably relate to you of like being really isolated when you're younger, not feeling like you're fitting in and just like trying to find an escape which you clearly found the best escape for yourself and it worked out what would you say to your younger self that like Kim sitting in her room alone just being like kind of isolated and getting picked on live a little I would say that I was like really like a maniac just like only working and I feel like my whole teen years like i didn't go to like parties i i was like just like just fully focused and so i i would tell myself to live a little and that things are gonna happen when they're supposed to happen and uh that that that that it's all gonna you know work out and that it's okay to go with your friends and it's okay to try and have a social life because like the answer isn't always just like well they all hate me so i just gotta be by myself and like be this like studio goblin you know I can actually also just yeah but but also it was a little bit of a different time I mean that was like uh so long ago now I legitimately didn't know anyone else trans and you know so I was an internet kid I would just find people online who I could talk to and things like that yeah that's why like the internet is I hate it and love it because yeah you're so like I remember when I was younger like YouTube I would find like anything that you were going through if you were alone you could find someone somewhere on the internet on youtube the same shit yeah and so there's like a saving grace obviously of you saying like i didn't know anyone trans i was by myself going through it and i know you've been open like your family was very supportive of you but still even when like your parents are like we got you it's like okay mom dad like love you but like i like yeah i need people my own fucking age to relate to and to connect to totally so i appreciate you sharing that I know you've also been a really open in your gender journey from a very young age that like you said at one point you felt very boxed in and labeled and that everything became about being trans and you just wanted to be seen as a person yeah which I can imagine it's like in every single interview you're like I'm an artist but so many people want to also talk to you about being trans where are you now in your career and your journey of having your own identity and accepting yourself but also like putting boundaries of like we don't need to talk about every fucking thing every single time yeah um I feel like it's a unique situation so I like to talk about it now because I feel like it's it's something where um yeah it's just like a unique point of view and I think it comes in as my strength sometimes that I get to write from that perspective because like um that's always just gonna be a big part of me that that I am trans and I think that gives me in songwriting like such an interesting angle and I think what what's so special about music is that that is like when I came to America and started going to studios it really didn't matter um who I was it just mattered like am I good is my songwriting good can I sing you know and I feel like the more art that I get to put out the more music I get to make the more I become an artist rather than you know all the labels that people put on me and it's not just a trans thing i mean it's like if you're a woman and you make music people just talk about you being a woman in music or if you being a gay man in music or all that stuff you know we all just get boxed into this label that defines us and i think trans people in general are a good reminder that gender and all that stuff is just a label and it really is all about who you are in you know inside and and not about all the stuff you know just because you're this doesn't mean you have to like this or do this and gender is is a much is a thing that matters a lot less i think and says a lot less about people than we think and uh yeah you are whatever whatever you want to be and whatever's in your in your mind and yeah absolutely no i love it no it's so true because it's like when you break it down it's like just let everyone do whatever the fuck they want to do yeah and it's stop trying to just talk about people in one specific way no one would be happy if the roles were reversed and you're just saying one thing about someone we're all very multifaceted totally and every person is their own thing you know completely and i feel like just just more than ever i'm just trying to you know show people what's what's in my mind what what you know what my music is about what I stand for rather than you know all the just talking about being trans all the time completely totally I think your accomplishments I mean we could go through them all but they speak for themselves like you you've really popped off in an unbelievable way you've had such an incredible career already what a full circle moment that one of your biggest idols Madonna introduced your performance at the Grammys what is it about Madonna that inspires you Well, I think Madonna is someone who broke a lot of these gender stereotypes and who can be very masculine in some of her music and talk about sex very freely and in a very different way and just was so ahead of her time in liberating people from feeling this shame about their sexuality and especially gay people.

22:00I mean she did that shit in the 90s when it was really really rough for gay people and I will forever just like feel inspired and liberated by her taking the hit for so many people because she really you know was called like a witch and like all this crazy stuff for just talking about her sexuality and just being so all out there and I respect that in someone. if they can be so if they can let that bounce off of them and like well i'm still gonna talk about whatever i want to talk about i'll never forget like right before the performance right before because there was a little break because it cuts to me she had like a little whip and she was like like mouth to me like go get a bitch and like whipped her little whip and i was like i was like literally just and i was tied up in this cage so i like couldn't say anything back

22:57like do a kick like

23:06the whole cage falls over you're like picturing you like fully tied up just being like do i wink do i think i know oh my god yeah no i so agree with everything you're saying about Madonna it's it's so crazy to look back at certain eras where we were so young and watching like every generation has it where there's certain people that just become essentially the people that are breaking down barriers in and in that generation I know so many people were like Madonna's crazy like she should be taken off air like she shouldn't be able to do this and yet what people didn't understand is she was having such a needed conversation and allowed the next generation of performers to lean even further into it because she did what she did yeah it's so cool that you now can be on fucking stage trying to give her a wink no totally it's it's so freaking cool and like what's what she said too because like i think she was saying that she was supposed to like uh do like the record of the year or something like that and she said she wanted to introduce the first trans performer at the grammys and like i was like oh you really are the coolest ever like this you know yeah didn't you meet her for the first time drunk at an snl after party yes she came to the snl after party and how drunk were you i was so obliterated i just kept talking her like ear off about confessions on the dance floor and i was like that's one of the best like albums ever it's a timeless classic and like people don't really like appreciate it enough and like when he did this on ray of light it was like the most it changed my life i was listening to it i felt like so much less alone and like i was just talking to you she was like and then she was like we should take a picture and i was like thank you so much for saying that because i would have just talked her fucking ears off for hours she's like sweetie let's just pose so you can catch a breath i know i know i'm she must think i'm insane no no i bet she gets that all the time and also it's just it's it's so genuine that's also just so iconic though for you to be like hammered at a party being like madonna like i love you we love you madonna i love you so much okay kim we're gonna play a game let's play this game we're gonna play would you rather okay some of these are really fucking random so don't judge me okay i love it okay would you rather accidentally post a nude on your instagram or butt dial your parents during sex post it on my instagram i feel like i have no like decency left anyways like you can find nudes of me anywhere so i was gonna say yeah i feel like I have my tits out at every shoot like it's like yeah at this point I'd rather do a nude because like I feel like calling my parents during sex would be disturbing for them and for you after when you relive definitely because also how bad to find out that you butt dialed them but you figure out after you're replaying like what was I saying during sex like how nasty was that sex like what was I doing like what were the noises like just my dad couldn't see me the same my mom couldn't yeah the whole thing yeah yeah okay great so rather post a nude love that I agree would you rather go a month without sex or a month without music a month without sex i'm definitely there yeah i'm so single and like honestly like i've just been so busy like there's no hope right now but it's like okay like i'm very happy the thing is like the music almost acts like a like as that like excitement and like that crush that i'm obsessed with because i can just like listen to it again and again and again and like get really obsessed and like change little details about it and like all the little crushes i have on the side always end up in the music so i like i make it and then listen to them think of them and how they're not with me that's actually great because i can't have them right and you can like re-listen to your music all the time in like a not stalkery way that you're like not over texting the person you're just re-listening your music i'm not like re-watching their stories i just listened to the song i wrote about them a million times i That's a great, great answer.

27:01I know you love horror movies. Yes. And I know you love Halloween. So, would you rather never be able to watch a scary movie again or never be able to dress up for Halloween? Oh. That's, like, mean. I mean, Halloween is gay Christmas. You know, it's, like, it's so in me. I think, but never watch a horror movie again. I know. That would be a – Okay. hey Halloween is just once a year I would like you know just like shut my doors be a total witch in the hills like see no one um and pretend like Halloween doesn't exist and watch horror movies yeah so I would pick that and then you can just go dress up another time of the year yes okay that's fair I like that would you rather fuck someone who is absolutely silent or someone who screams the whole time someone who screams the whole time okay at least i know that they're into it you know like but silence would just throw me off right like at least you know they're there yeah totally it would just make me feel like they don't want this to happen and that would be that would really be i've had like some hookups where the guy is so quiet and i'm like i just need like a couple grunts like i know me too give me like a light fuck like oh fuck like i know i hate that I hate that like a lot of guys are like Too in the zone Yeah like I'm not gonna make any noise this man Like right come on just do it Just let it go Totally let it go it's like honestly hot I agree Yes Would you rather never give head again or never receive head again Never receive head again Giving head is like the funnest thing of my life Honestly like it's so fun We're gonna get into the throat Go but Don't worry we're getting there Would you rather accidentally bite someone's dick giving a blowjob or throw up on it?

28:55Oh, it's such a rough one. I feel like accidentally bite. I mean, it's not defined how hard it has to be. You know, maybe it can just be a little tooth. Right, like a little, little snaggle tooth. Yeah, like just a tiny bit toothy is better than throwing up because I don't think I could work that out on therapy. Right, right. Like it would have to be the kind of throw up where, cause I've had that before where you basically do throw up, but you suck it all back up before it leaks. In that case, extra lube.

29:29Anything. Free lube. Chunky lube. Oh my God. I want a chunky lube t-shirt. Chunky lube t-shirt. They're like, what does that mean? On the back, throw up. That's my brand I'm going to make. So good. So good. would you rather have drunk sex or high sex high sex me too so much better so good would you rather be in the mile high club or fucking someone's car someone's car yeah i feel like planes are like plane bathrooms are just gross yeah disgusting i totally but i respect it like i i have some like friends and like especially like my gay friends that i like travel with they're like yeah i sat next to the hot guy and then we fucked and like i'm just like in my pot like with like my eye mask on and like you know it's not sexy and like i i think maybe the allure could be like oh you have to be quiet and hide it i don't really want to have to do that i'd rather be in the car just like using the seat belt like choke me out let's go let's have a good time like let's get weird yeah good i feel like cars are just in general like such a good spot like being in a car with a boy and yeah and they can move to what's happening it gives a little like yeah it gets little foggy there's a lot of good titanic exactly both of us let's talk about your dating life you said you know you're in a you're in a little dry spell and we love that so you're not dating anyone no I'm not dating anyone are you interested in dating at all uh yeah I mean I'm interested in it but honestly I feel like it's um been something that's just like I'm good without too and I feel like I've always been a relationship girl like I love a relationship I'm not like a quick hookup girl even though like sometimes you know I don't have a choice like sometimes I have like boys in different cities like that I can just call up in every city um uh that's a fun thing to be on because I know you got your road beef I know my ropey yeah no uh that's good but just right now I just feel like I don't know who would like fit into my crazy life right now.

31:35Yeah. Because I'm just like always doing shit and always traveling and I'm never in the same space for long enough to even like really, you know, do something meaningful. I was going to say, yeah, like what is dating life like now as a pop star compared to like maybe a couple of years ago where you still had like a little amenity? Yeah, it's really changed it. I feel like people are just in general like a little scared of me now, which is kind of good. You know, it just like weeds them out. like you have to just like say that you want me now right or i don't have time for you you know my clog just slipped the full clog it felt like it was 500 pounds we just hit the floor oh you're like i don't have time for you boom yeah oh that's interesting so like does that make you sad a little bit that you think like do you have do you think people are seeing a persona of yours and then you have to like deconstruct it and be like i'm not really always like that yeah i think in general like slap pop really changed how guys see me because like i feel like a lot of the guys that I'm dating have heard Slub Pop and like know that and they're like you know and it's like yeah I'm the girl who sings Throat Goat you know and this is like and they just feel like they have to like live up to this crazy expectation and I guess that's like not you know it's like such a persona for for that record that it's like that's that's not me you know I'm also someone who just like wants to watch horror movies with you and like cuddle and be cute totally all of that and i like the last thing i want is for you to be scared of me right so if you're scared of me i'm immediately cutting you off because that makes me feel horrible about myself you know i get that it's like i'm just like a genuine person and i really feel like i'm i have crushes on the wrong guys like all the time really what do you have a type i i don't really i feel like every single guy is like is very different i think the type that i have is just like the energy being good and and um being funny being honest being like loyal um i think that's like the big ones for me and just like how i like sweet guys i like when you're sweet you know but you just said you're picking some of the wrong guys so yeah what's going on so the not sweet guys yeah i don't know just guys who like keep me like dangling or i think they have to constantly like do stuff to you know keep me obsessed with them then i'm on the road and like then you don't talk to me and then I'm back it's just like yeah it's exhausting it's exhausting do you let your friends set you up with people or no I do yeah I uh went on a date with a guy uh who my friend set me up with recently didn't really go anywhere but it was it was fun because like sharing similar friends you can at least talk about the friends true you know you can just like talk about them she's so cool she's the best like you have a commonality to talk about yeah so you're not like how's your drink yeah you could be like rebecca's a bitch right totally um yeah i let my i let my friend set me up uh for sure when was your last relationship my last relationship was like one and a half years ago and that was like a five-year relationship so like a long one so i feel like i'm still like anyway at the part where like i need to like be myself get over that relationship and all the stuff that bad did to me because it wasn't like a very nice relationship and made me feel awful about myself for a few years and that's the worst I should have like cut it off when I felt it um but yeah I you know it was it was the first time I broke up with someone and the thank you thank you uh and the first time that I I just really feel like I I did the right thing and listened to my intuition and got out of it and I know a lot of people who don't get out of relationships that don't fulfill them and they're almost like a new person when they get out of it like it's like oh my god you're back and you know like you're you're like yourself again and you're happy again and so that's my main thing I never want to you know I mean and no one wants to yeah just I really don't want to be in any relationship that doesn't make me feel good and feel great you know because I'm such a pleasing person and like I feel like I always used to just like i just want you to be happy and i don't care if i'm happy yeah and that's that's a bad thing and i think that goes back to me as a as a kid as a teen like i just hope one day like a guy can see me as a girl or show me any attention you know and like see me as a normal person not as a freak you know i think it goes back to that me just wanting to you know well he likes me so i'm gonna do anything for him and like completely forget that i have value as a person yeah I think that's so relatable Kim and like I also love how you were like oh my god I should have gotten out earlier but I'm so happy I did get out I think so many times we're so hard on ourselves because when you're so deep in something it's really hard to actually make the jump to envision life even if it's toxic without that person because you've been living in it for so long you have your routines that still is the person that you're with all the time and like you just become so attached to something that you almost forget like what life was like before them and a lot of times it was so much better totally it's hard but it's hard to get out it's really hard but it's like you're you're gonna live and it's gonna be okay and you're gonna figure it out again you're gonna get back into it and honestly life like on your own sometimes can be so much more like purposeful and uh fulfilling I feel like really I personally like thrive when I have like time by myself where I just literally do whatever it's like recharging and I think in general like I wish I would have done that in my relationship more um and and yeah I mean um I feel like relationships are the hardest thing to to figure out they really are and so hard they're really really hard so really hard but right now I'm having fun and that's awesome and And I feel like I'm just like finally like back at the place where I like love being alone.

37:33Yeah. And spending time by myself and where I just shut my door and just do whatever. Amazing. What is your perfect ideal first date? I don't think there is one. I really think that first dates are always going to be a little awkward. And like I just like, you know, I feel like my my first thing I do is probably try to drink because I'm so nervous. I get really, really nervous. And it's such an awkward thing when, like, you know that you, like, technically are attracted to each other. But, like, you have to, like, figure it out. Yes. Do a little dance. But I feel like, in general, just doing something, like, active.

38:12Like, going to, like, an arcade or going at the fun stuff. Yes. Doing something so you're not just sitting across the table being like, hello. Totally. How are you doing? Where you can actually do something. Yes. But I also like I like when you show me like one of your favorite places that you actually like actually love going instead of like I want to try out this new place. Like just show me like where do you actually go? Are we what are we doing Kim? Are we fucking on the first date? Are we waiting? Like do you have any rules in your head or do you just do whatever the fuck comes to you? I live in the moment.

38:46I've definitely done the first date. You know fuck. But I think it's usually when I do that like I'm then like not interested anymore. it's like really yeah I feel like it's just like I need to like give it time and like I need to be like obsessed with you and like you're like I need to let it simmer for a bit more I realize now because like once I broke up I would just like go home with like every single one of them every time and it was really fun I had a great time you know um but I feel like when you when you really give it time it just makes it more special and cooler I love how you're I love Kim's out here breaking everyone's hearts like gives them the best sex after date one and then you literally just ghosting everyone you're like no you're like i was happy that was great but i'm over it on to the next yeah well i'm just like in the next city right right you're gone you're gone yeah oh my god that's actually that's i've never heard someone say that you get you're over it once you have sex the first time and you're just like oh that's boring okay i mean maybe it was just the guys maybe it was just a situation i i don't like to like make a rule in general but i think just like Like the guys like I went home with, I was just like, I just needed like rebound attention.

40:00Totally. And so I just like, yeah. And then I was like, I get it. Growing up, who was your celebrity crush? Legolas and Lord of the Rings. Like Kim, that wig. No, Kim. Let me tell you something. Three, three of the people that I like, I'm like, what's wrong with me? number one johnny depp specifically as captain jack sparrow yes okay number two legolas orlando bloom specifically as the elf in lord of the ranks hot the the hair and the ears and then edward cullen as vampire but i'm like wait what are we like weirdos that were like specifically as an elf yeah no specifically as an elf yeah in the wig as that character he was so hot i know it was so hot like i i because i totally uh yeah i don't know that was just like i i remember like like having a poster of him and like just being so obsessed with him and i will forever be obsessed with him i'm gonna be honest but you must think but just legolas not the person yeah his name is orlando bloom and i bet orlando bloom never thought like of all the roles that i've ever played everyone in the world's like the hottest version of you the hot elf baby hot elf no i'm not kidding if you guys have actually i feel like if you don't have the context like if you just google him it you may all be like you guys are freaks watch the movie because the context is important he's just so like i don't even remember he's just great his vibe is great his vibe he's hot but he looks amazing yeah and he looks amazing stunning i i have to be honest i really never thought that i would sit across from someone in my entire career and have someone say the same thing that I think of Legolas, Elf, Orlando Bloom.

41:44I'm like, what the fuck? And that's why we're on Hinge. Here we go. Here we go. That's why we're here. And that's why we're here.

42:07Let's go to Slut Pop. Okay. You've been mentioning it, but now we got to talk about it. You coined the term slut pop to describe your music. Can you define slut pop for those who may be coming fans today? Yes. Slut pop is this really Euro house dance 90s inspired EP. And me and my friends would always make pop songs that were slightly slutty and say, oh, it's slut pop. And so I just decided to go with it and make an EP and just be the most slutty version of myself that I could wish I could be in life. You know, but I feel like I'm too shy to be that all the time. So, yeah, I just kind of let let it all out on that one.

42:54And a lot of people were really had interesting reactions to it. And I think it's the funnest thing in the world to scream out the most obscene shit and just be like, I'm a fucking slut. Fuck me. You know, it's just it's so freeing. Every time I do it, it's addicting. And and yeah, I recommend to check it out. It's just what are some of your craziest lines that people haven't heard? It's like give it give them a little. OK, these bitches can't suck like me. Walk in on the sucking queen. look around all eyes on me jacket off I'ma suck it clean

43:35what's my name I'm the throat goat yeah it is poetic it's beautiful it's touching to me it's pure beauty you know if you you know you might not get it you might get it but if you get it you really get it I'm like a slut, little dirty bitch. I love to fuck. It's so good, Kim. Other than your own catalog, what's a song or an artist that you would also classify as like slut pop? Oh, Britney Spears' Blackout Era. That is just the best. So like dirty and hot. Full slut pop. Yeah. That was definitely a huge inspiration for that. I also think that Kylie Minogue has a bunch of songs that I would put on slut pop.

44:25dude I'm thinking about how you kind of said like people after slut pop like people were kind of intimidated by you because it's like you're coming in here being like I am the throat goat like I like and all this shit when did you actually start to just become really confident about talking about sex um I think in in general when when I made that I think I was just like in a phase of my life where I felt like I was like a little um you know just not talking about that part of my life enough and I have so many friends and especially as a trans girl it's like that are sex workers I you know porn is great porn like sex workers work and it was a moment where OnlyFans was gonna ban sex workers from its platform which would have taken away like the livelihood of a lot of my friends and so I was like I don't think that there's anything wrong with that and I think that like everybody needs to stop like villainizing sex workers because there's a there's a huge demand for it we need it and there's nothing to be ashamed of and uh I also always think you know if my life hadn't gone the way it did and I hadn't like been able to transition really early and stuff like that I would have probably you know done that to be able to transition and to be able to be myself so I wanted to take the shame out of it for my friends for myself and I think just in general people need to be less afraid of it and I think especially women and girls uh there's so much power in like loving sex and like you should love it you should figure out what how you know what you like about it and not be you know please men like that's not the goal like in sex it's like you having a good time and so I'm just a huge supporter of that and that's been something that's been hard for me to figure out you know because like I have always just been like crazy for guys and like how can I please him in any way and once I kind of broke out of that I was like it's about me too and yeah so I love also that I had actually someone recently asked me this reporter was like I back in the day of Call Her Daddy came up with this thing called the Gluck Gluck 9000 and it was just like you know my go-to blowjob move and I remember this reporter being like you know it's so good it's so good and I remember the reporter being like you know if you're a feminist like then like are you ashamed that you coined that term and that you were teaching young girls how to give blowjobs and I was like absolutely not because of course there are certain things in the past that I was like probably way too appeasing of a man but specifically with that it's like I just go to say like I love pleasing my partner like that doesn't mean you can't be a feminist if you're like I also love giving my fiance head and like making him feel good that's part of sex and that gets me off by also making sure my partner is having a good fucking time so it's like we need to talk about the throat goat because as much as we're like girls enjoy sex it's also like you can also be down and pleasing your partner is also a part of enjoying sex it's not just a one-off situation where you're just like by yourself do well you can do it by yourself but when you're with a partner can you talk about the throat goat can you talk about give us some tips give us a couple little you know kim just give us like one little thing maybe like a little like what are we doing i pull out the bottle and like i need to do yeah that was iconic what did she do she went she was like you do this and then she said yeah wear the invisalign yes wear invisalign i want to try that i know i'm like calling my my dentist and I'm like I just need a bottom Invisalign they're like bitch your teeth are fine I'm like no just the bottom it's the funnest thing like I love giving blowjobs it's my favorite thing in the world it's I'm very I pride myself in it and I think that's awesome it's all on you like your center stage it's your time to shine it's literally your time to shine and like it's like watch me go eye contact like that's a very important one and I don't know it's just like a little sloppy I love when boys really like that you know and really yeah

48:39no I love it and I think it's again I just like that we're talking about it because it doesn't there's nothing wrong with enjoying and pleasing your partner no and I think sometimes to all you know the people out there it's like if you are intimidated by it you have to just reframe the way that you're thinking about it it's supposed to be fun you're supposed to it's playful it's enjoyable yeah and if you if you don't enjoy it that's fine too you know totally find the things that you really love me i love giving giving head you know and i call myself the throat good and have been called that oh oh like and that wasn't coined just by myself thank you goodbye would you say you're more dominant or submissive in the bedroom um i i'm pretty subby yeah i'm pretty subby but like i gotta really like trust someone and like if you really like like me to dom i i will do it um and uh i like when someone can give me a really specific like this is what i like like do this like i love that and maybe that's why i'm subby because i just like i like in those situations to be told what to do and just to like do that um but yeah but also i can be done i feel like i swing both ways love it love it when you say treat me like a slut what do you actually want your partner to do kim um fuck me

50:14um i don't know bend me over i'm not opposed to a little choking um all that good stuff just just put me into position and go i love how you just push your glasses so i could you're like goodbye i'm just i'm not taking eye contact with you right now bend me over put me in position let's go that's good yeah okay good okay good yeah but i think in general just like make me feel like you really want me bad and need me you know like that's the hottest thing you can do okay on a just quickly on a little bit more serious note um are you like oh girl don't go there out of nowhere yeah just out of nowhere i got stuck in in a car it's awesome um but yeah maybe i should have like this is like a little too aggressive of a transition i just realized but no i love it okay obviously everything that's going on with trans rights right now in america i just felt like it wouldn't be right if i didn't ask you obviously it's disgusting what's happening and we're clearly regressing how are you handling the hateful backlash for you know with the trans community well I feel like I need to hold it up for all the for all the young kids that are trans and getting uh you know their rights taken away and all of that stuff that they're you know I I try to find the best causes to to help I try to stay in touch with all my trans friends and all of that but just in general I think it's brutal how people treat trans people it's just like everybody deserves to live their lives how they can you know and the the way that they know how to get through life and i feel like the the judgment around it is still so intense and scary and um there's so much like actual like murder and things like that in the trans community that are really really terrifying and it's such a beautiful beautiful community and that's the one thing that i just like want people to know like the dolls have each other's backs like we love each other and I feel like there's so many trans friends of mine that like I couldn't live life without that are such like beautiful lights and um just remember that and find the people who get you and who support you and uh focus on that because I still get called a man every single day you know like and that's okay it's funny to me at this point I'm like, I'm a man, you know, because like I'm yeah, because like I feel like I've been called like that since I was 12 and all of that.

52:53So to me, it's like. Brush it off at this point, but I know how like horrible that that situation can be. And there's just a very public like hate campaign on trans people right now. that's disappointing and sad but there's also a lot of people who really care and who really are pushing and just know that like it's an up and down swing with trans rights like it has been with gay rights like it has been with anyone who's different than the norm and uh it's it's gonna probably get better and swing back around at least that's what i hope but in general know that like there's amazing people out there who have all got your back and think you're really beautiful and you deserve everything you deserve love you deserve to be seen to who you really truly are and don't settle for anything less i've done it and it sucks and uh yeah i love y 'all oh my god amen amen amen let everyone live however they want to fucking live no it's so annoying it's It is so crazy, like the progress we've made in some areas that we're still having these conversations.

54:06And it's so infuriating. Yeah. I mean, especially in America, it goes with like, you know, birth control and things like that. It's the same exact kind of thing where there's just people trying to tell people what they can and can't do with their bodies. And it's wrong and no one ever should. and it really like and like makes it so much harder for people to just like live their lives and make their own decisions and it's just so annoying that our bodies are still being policed by people and it's it's truly insane but I do think it's we are so fortunate that we can sit here and you can use your music and I can use this show as a platform to just like keep talking about it totally i hope it anyone that it makes uncomfortable look inward as to why and like start doing the work and i think everyone that is supporting like keep supporting and be vocal and post on social media and because i think it's so important that we just keep showing we aren't going anywhere and and everyone should just be able to do whatever the fuck they want and we need to get on board with that i know it's really not that hard it really only is hard to people who need to control other people in life to get to be comfortable in life like you need to be able to control your woman to live with your ego and shit and so you know because you're too scared she's gonna go in you know yeah it's all to maintain their power yes and it's like have your power over there let us have our power over here fuck off totally but like oh we i mean we could sit here for fucking hours to tell them that they can't bus anymore yeah yeah yeah we're snipping you all okay really they're like oh no no no okay do whatever you want whatever you want you take away they're not they're like oh no yeah literally do whatever you want number one jk jk oh my god um okay you have a new album coming out yes and i'm so excited for you the album is called feed the beast yes how did you come up with that for me it was it started with kind of feed the beat uh because i feel like i constantly need to listen to music and and just do my thing over beats then it turned into feed the beast because uh i had an album leak and uh my label told me you gotta get back in the studio make new songs and go feed the beast and uh that was literally like okay let me think about this and then i kind of thought about myself and like my personal ambitions and i've always wanted to really play the pop game i've always wanted to make big pop songs and big melodies and be like a real player in the music industry and uh you know do big shows and all of that and i was like there was a part of me that was a little ashamed of that for a while and i was like but i'm like a gay club darling and like maybe that's just like all i want and all that all i want to be and i was like no like that my passion is to go for it so go feed the beast go feed that what what i feel like almost ashamed of to want yeah go want that and and own it and don't be afraid of it and you know so i feel like for me the album is a reminder hopefully to my fans to really find what it is that you can't live without and uh go all out on it and don't be afraid to take up space and don't be you know scared to make it as as massive as you want to make it and as ridiculous as you want to make it and um yeah go feed that Kim how is this album different than past work that you've done um I think I just I think I just had it like a shift creatively where I just like kind of was a bitch to my co-writes and took more control and was like I just really came in with like full songs flashed out again kind of kind of like I did in the very beginning before people like wanted to work with me i just came in with fully fleshed concepts and then just was like we're writing this and i feel like i really took control i worked with some people i've never worked with before um i like travel i like did a bunch in sweden i did a bunch in london uh so it really feels like that like major label really executed on a on the best level of my abilities and uh and i'm really grateful to my label for allowing me to do that and for allowing me to take the time to really make something that feels whole and complete and that feels um this exciting because i think you're gonna freak when you hear it i am so excited where is the perfect place to listen to this album like are we doing it at the club are we working out are we having sex are we on the beach like what what's the vibe in a car getting fucked

58:49literally um yeah all of those places i think that's the funnest thing about this i think it has a lot of a lot of club moments but it also it does have a ballad um which is like kind of an unconventional ballad which i'm excited for people to hear because like never really do that like i'm very yeah against ballads usually like i love like celine dion but i didn't think i could do that stuff right here she comes here i come uh but yeah i think you can really i think you can listen to it from front to back by yourself getting ready in the bathroom you can listen to it in the in the club you can all of that stuff so i think it's an overall overall listening thing yeah i'm so excited for you and for thank you this summer are you going on tour what are we yeah uh not uh later this year like a little after summer and now it's gonna be up uh but yeah i'm going on tour um and i'm so so excited to go on tour because like it's been a freaking while and it's my favorite thing in the world and like I missed it like nothing else in the world and so I'll just be traveling I'm doing a bunch of really cool festivals like all over the world and uh putting this tour together I'm like in rehearsals a lot which is like my happy place I love being with my dancers and just figuring out the show and the lighting and every detail lots of outfit changes it's gonna be good yeah yeah yeah I want to see the outfits yes I am so happy I got to sit down with you today I've been wanting to do this for so long and you are like I listen to you all the time so it's been an honor to be here you know like you truly have such an energy about you that you're so calm and a vibe and like but you're like everything it's just so fun to be able to like sit with you and actually get to know your personality because you are so so sweet and funny and amazing and I just I can't wait to see what you do with your career this is amazing thank you so much thank you for coming you're the best Thank you, Daddy Gang.

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