Morgan Stewart McGraw: Boobs and Loubs (FBF)

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. Morgan Stewart welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I am so excited to have you here. You got your start on Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. Yes I did. Shout out. Yes. You transitioned to host multiple shows on E! Multiple yes. You have impeccable style. Thank you. I appreciate that. And you make it look effortless like and achievable. You're the kind of person that I'm like screenshotting and trying to like remake it. Good. I don't ever remake it well but Like you're the inspo. I like that. How did you pick your outfit today?

0:39I'm very Gen Z. I'm in my Gen Z feelings today. So this is the first time I've ever worn these shoes. And I bought them because I was like, I need to be, I'm a mother now. So I need to be able to wear things that are convenient to running around. And I was like, I'm never going to wear them. And then I was like, you know what? Today is the fucking day. I'm putting them on. And then I had these pants. They don't actually look good on me, but I always, this is my, they don't. The pleats in the front make me look like, like they're warping my thighs inward. But I will tell you, I am very big on everything I buy.

1:05I make sure to wear it once even if it was the wrong choice if I have not returned it I always want to make sure that I've at least put it on my body so it's not a waste and that's really how this all happened and then I was gonna wear a navy turtleneck oh do we have enough time to listen to all this bullshit yeah I was gonna wear a navy turtleneck and it read too dark so then I grabbed this and then I was like is this too much like a teacher that's how it came together and I just left I'm just geeking because I'm so happy your shoes are clean because this is a disaster set when people come on with the dirt can't have it I was also going to tell you they are they have not been in the world.

1:36I have never had someone go into that much detail when I asked them that question and I actually appreciate it. I like to give you an experience. How do you describe your style? Ooh. Um, it's classic with a little bit of a flare. I don't get into the trends. I try to avoid it. I've been able to get into the trends lately because my husband has more accessible income so I can like fuck up more. I love that. But if you are on a budget, you should be buying a white and a black t-shirt, two pairs of jeans, black and blue, a black blazer, a beige blazer, and like keep it moving don't get into the like crappie tops if you have to replenish your closet a lot don't do that just go with the basics just go with the basics because they never ever ever ever ever leave that's why they're called classic like getting into the like barbie stripper vibe right now i can't do it so you're just taking your husband's credit card oh yeah well no i have my own his account oh love that oh no so you're not spending your own money no ladies this is no no i'm not i i gave two children to this person two in one year and one day apart okay i mean it was a woman yeah it was a lot but it was amazing the best thing I've ever done and so you earned this I've earned it and I will tell you because I get on this tangent and I'm always like I'm not that it is still a little bit strange for me because I'm somebody that has my own money I'm still getting paid out at e shout out shout out so I really you know a part of me is like well I could just pay for this but I just feel like let him let him right let him babe yeah yeah you go have a kid exactly exactly what is a current fashion trend that you love even though I know you said you don't like trends if you had to pick I think the sneakers right now I feel like sneakers are really big I feel like girls are wearing them all the time and that's something that I'm getting more into that's that's what I like are you into the dad sneakers like the New Balance I am and by the way I had those like in the seventh grade things always come back it's crazy but I haven't gotten a pair they've been hard to find I got one pair recently and someone that I work with complimented me on them and I was ecstatic because I didn't really know like I'm sometimes like just going with it like I think this looks good but I didn't really know for sure and then I put them on and like within an hour someone complimented me on that I'm like oh my god I'm in the right lane yes I know what I'm kind of doing I'm happy these are back they never left for me doesn't matter whatever year I'm obsessed with an ug and I will do like an ug an ug to the knee to the knee I'll do it oh yeah did you ever get rid of yours never thank god I had to get rid of one black pear because they were really they had seen the light of day it was really disgusting I had the sand color when I was in seventh grade yeah I had to throw them out because they were to the knee and they were just at that point brown brown so it wasn't as cute I get it the Uggs when people are like they're so ugly no they're not and they're comfortable amazing and even like the super cropped ones with the platform now I'm trying to get my hands on those but I can't find them

4:26I just got a new closet. I just moved into my new house. Okay. And I've heard that you're the queen of organization. I am really, I've become. I need like a little tip for all the girlies listening and for myself. What is an organization tip that you have that's just a good go-to to remember when we're trying to organize our closets? Organize your closet based on season. So now I'm transferring summer things out. I don't care what anyone says, California, we still have seasons. Yeah. It's fall. no linen no even my son was in linen yesterday I was like oh no Chris though no linen he's not in linen anymore it's October eight months but why are we in the linen joggers he has new like sweat joggers who put him in linen joggers my nanny I was like no Chris no oh we can't do that so you had to be like listen we're not in season no we're not in season no linen do you like how your husband dresses I do oh this is such a question okay so I really love the way my husband dresses I will say and I a sign of a mature relationship and how I've grown is I also do not control it he can wear what he wants I don't have the energy to change things we are not stylistically completely on the same page but I appreciate what he wears because it works for him the transition where why are you asking me everything that's going on in my life the things that we transition now it's the transitioning from day to night where I would like it to be a little bit more formal but we're having a hard time finding that happy medium because he still wants to be himself and I'm like but just wear the crew neck sweater and the jacket right but does he get annoyed by you when you try to tell him what to do like it's not a conversation and he's like a silent strong person he's not a loud strong person which is actually worse I know because I'm like oh he's like has this power over me but nobody usually does yes but I do like it is that normal in your relationships that you usually have the power oh yeah usually like dominate and like and completely like you know I overpower people but I feel like the people that have been in my life in the past that I've dated have always somewhat wanted to we've they've almost wanted to be like me does that make sense in a way like I exude like a strength that I think is appealing to males and then they're like whoa this is maybe too much but with my current husband I don't need to do that because we're just really balanced that's really interesting I can relate to that about first they're so attracted to it and then they get in the relationship with you and then it's a full for sure thing and that's when they get the most insecure but in the dating phase they love it and then you settle down and it's like it's the same thing as when girls are like wait why did you like when I posted bikini photos when we weren't fully exclusive but now that we are you're like all scared and you're going and running and liking other girls bikini photos like pick a fucking lane pick a lane that's really interesting okay so the the husband dresses to your liking yes he does but you could elevate a little bit I would I wouldn't even elevate it I would transition small things and I'm only talking about at night so mine is kind of the opposite which is so strange my boyfriend I've never dated a man like this has the best taste oh my god it's so nice right he really knows how to dress okay and he really understands design like we just redid our house and he was like we don't need to get that big of a designer because like I know what we need smart and it's it's like shocking to be in if anything it makes me insecure because I'm usually the one the guys that I've ever dated I'm like I don't give a fuck what you think I'm wearing this relationship I'm like okay he has better taste and I have to accept that which is honestly that's so smart because I feel like my husband like accepts it but doesn't think our taste is as different as it is even though it's not I think that's a you're like it's so fucking different it's shout out if you're listening to me it's it's very it's that is very smart of you because it's so nice to have that right just accept it yes someone's gonna have better style and taste lean into that totally rather than try to just totally equal it's not everything has to be equal in a relationship I agree with you okay good yes what is your take on matching your children's outfits is mommy and daughter gonna be wearing the same thing and are your children gonna be wearing the same thing no and no absolutely fucking not like you don't have friends like you don't need to dress your kid alike to you like you don't didn't you do that when you were in seventh grade no my my mother she made my sister and I wear the same things for like Christmas but that that is also like a traditional thing and I feel like that's also that was our parents generation I feel like that's like I get the Christmas photos and you're in the little blue dress or whatever do you send out a holiday card oh my god I haven't but I guess I'm going to this year why because I feel like I should do that it's like an image it's a mature nice thing it's like a way to send a photo of your family with like it being in line with it being appropriate like it's fine it's an excuse to get a photo out of you guys right so yes I will send a holiday card out I did not send one last year are you going to be figuring out the outfit yes okay wait I did a photo shoot with my kids and they did wear the same outfit I forgot but can I tell you they were leggings they were he was like three months old and she was however old she was and it was they were in like beige leggings and a long sleeve shirt like it was like pajamas it wasn't and we were all in beige my husband's still mad at me about everyone being in beige completely contradict I feel like I would never have my kids match.

9:25Oh my God. But by the way, it wasn't like, it wasn't supposed to be a fashion statement. They were just supposed to blend in, if that makes sense. I get that. Oh, okay. Just, you wanted your kids to blend in. Because you wanted to stand out. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's good. Do you think your daughter's going to have the same personality as you? Yeah. How are you going to deal with that? I don't know. She already brings me to my knees. Really? She really is so strong. You can really tell about, you can tell who's going to be the fucking loser. Who's not going to have friends. I'm kidding. I'm so kidding.

9:49her friends I'm like oh dork uh no I'm sure that's a bitch I love it by the way it's hilarious because every mom thinks that every mom analyzes it but I will say I think that I can tell she's extremely sweet inside genuinely and I'm not saying that because she's mine and then there is a side that's quite fierce and strong-willed so I do I think we're quite alike where do you think you got that from you know my I feel like I'm very much like my mom but she's less crazy and less like she's crazy in her own way but not as out outward as I am right she's a little bit more conservative a little bit more dialed back did you get in trouble in school at all so this is so weird because every person I've ever been interviewed by in this context has always asked me that and always asks my mom that and I never got in trouble I was never late for curfew I never it was only in my early 20s that it was a little messy because I was kind of in love and dating the wrong person and by dating like I was dating him he was not dating me oh god love that I was like well I'm coming over he's like no and I was like no I'm coming over and that's when I think my mom called me a few times because I was like you know I had been in college and then I left college and she was like what the what the where are we going here what the fuck are you doing with your life I think why people probably ask you that is because I think you had this very like outspoken confident nature about you that I would see you as the person in class telling the teacher that he had the answer wrong so you were just not like that I was not like that but I also struggled like intensely in school.

11:13I had a really hard time. I definitely had like severe learning disabilities that were not diagnosed to like my senior year of high school. It was like, she's failing math every year. What's wrong? Let's ignore it and keep her going. And then in senior year, they're like, you're not going to graduate. So I had to go do a night school and pass the class. I had to see a math psychologist because I had such a bad learning disability. So I couldn't, I didn't, to be honest with you, I don't know how I know how to spell. So I could never, I was not like that. So I kind of just shut my mouth as much as possible.

11:40Okay, that makes sense. because like you weren't confident in that aspect so you're like I'm just gonna sit here and listen right but then outside of the school doors you're like running shit exactly like the playground you're thriving oh yeah just not where the desks are exactly that makes a lot of sense yes and I think that's great for your career also that worked out exactly you've got a great personality thank god okay what is a hot take that you currently have I know you had a show on E! obviously Necessary Realness are you sad it's done no I just think that's the stupidest decision anyone could have made.

12:08I mean, literally like the duck, like you, you know, how many people do you interview? How many people really impress you? Good talent is hard. Oh, it's very hard. And somebody being manufactured by like whatever circumstance they're around that makes them popular doesn't mean that they're - Oh, so they kicked you off? Oh, they ended the shows. They ended the shows. They put an end to Nightly Pop, Daily Pop and they were like, we're going to sunset Necessary Realness. I will tell you, Necessary Realness was like my little show. I love doing it. I love the people that worked on it. I definitely was, it's not a negative because I it was time for me to go and figure out what I really want to do but are they coming up with new shows to replace you guys I have no idea they're doing an e-news reboot so they're they're bringing back the show that they got rid of five years ago oh that sounds relevant uh-huh and so that they're doing that I don't know and beyond that I don't know but I will tell you I saw psychic when I was redoing my contract last year and he said I would sign this deal you're not going to be in it for the remainder of the time you've signed up for and I was like they work for you news maybe your psychic is low-key working no this psychic has told me things he told me that I was gonna name my son with a g name I was like yeah right Gary who the fuck has a g name there's no way like there's no possible way my son's gonna have a g name and it's gray it's a good name yeah it's a good name right it took a long time the psychic's number oh I'll give it to you he is he will change your life no it's like not it's like he's a medium it's no joke were you sad the day it happened I was emotional because I had been with everybody for so long but I genuinely I had done six years of 5 a.m workout wake-ups I was doing at one point the most I was doing four shows a day I mean I I worked like it's not physically possible or sustainable to work the way I worked I'm grateful for the experience but I was I was it was a mutual feeling of okay it's time to move on I had been feeling like I had hit the ceiling there was it affecting your relationship or anything it wasn't affecting my relationship with my husband now it It wasn't, no, it was fine.

14:02He knew I wanted to do this, but also we were in the pandemic. So the last few years hadn't been consistent. And then I also had two babies in two years. So I like, it was, it was the perfect time to, to part ways. Wow. Yeah. I have so much respect for how you managed that show. Cause you kept it so real. And I think sometimes on TV, especially those formats can come off a little like scripted and stuffy and just like a little like, uh, do I believe that's actually her personality? and you were like fully able to be yourself which is great and they did a good job with that because they had to edit out quite a bit to keep it safe too a little bit that's great yeah that's great so shout out to them shout out thank you yes what is a hot take let's pretend we're on the show what is a hot take that you currently have so it's hilarious because my pr sent me this like that was a question i was like what's a hot take so i asked my agent i was like what is a hot take like what is it she goes well hot take i have is that you can be friends with your ex everyone's friends with their exes and I was like I'm gonna steal that and I'm gonna credit you I always credit people by the way love that I never take someone's fashion I nothing I always great well you can't you'll get canceled yeah exactly by the way um and I then was really thinking about it and I was like no you can't wait no you can't no you can't she was like I'm gonna read you the quote read me the fucking quote because we could do a whole episode on this no you can't because only if you are in a new relate if you're in a relationship if you're single sure be friends with all your fucking exes.

15:26Also, by the way, I was going to pull it up and I was like, it's so much, but the reality is is that if you're so able to be friends with your ex, then why are you breaking up? Right? Okay, so I said that. I think there are a lot of factors that go into make, literally my homework. Do you love it? I think there are a lot of factors that go into making a relationship work and making someone your person, your long-term partner. I have a laundry list of reasons I am not with exes, but there are definitely a lot of reasons I like them in the first place that still exist. The majority of people on this planet are people you will not have a connection to, not have any chemistry with and so when you find someone you actually connect with that's rare and wonderful and just because it doesn't work out romantically for you why does that mean those people should be out of your life completely let's talk about this it's no fucking way okay tell me your take on that I don't think it's first of all I don't what you said I think is accurate I think you cannot be friends with an ex unless you were not ever in love with them and you didn't share a genuine romantic connection because if you're walking away from the relationship so easily and able to revisit then why separate at all no I completely agree I think I've had relationships where I'm like oh like like one of my college boyfriends I'm like oh like he was so cute and like I just walked all over him and I feel bad for that and like he's such a good guy yeah and like if I ever saw him we'd be totally chill totally I'm not texting him absolutely not that's so strange why do you want if you want to be friends with them you probably want to be in their lives for other reasons.

16:46I just don't, I, but it works for her. There's no like, but I agree with the sentiment of like, I don't hate everything about them. Of course not. But you take that with you and you move, you move along, you move along. You don't need to be marinating over there in that. Like, Ooh, like I love this part of him. So I want to like, keep it, keep it going in my life. Exactly. Well, I think that if you're single, you can absolutely be friends with X. I would say be cautious about that though, because then you're not moving forward and you may just keep going back into that awful cycle. However, the minute you get a new partner, the only way to be able to have like a healthy relationship is to move on from your past relationships.

17:21Someone that's been inside you or you've been inside them or putting something in whatever hole. I get it. Let's just move on. Move on. You can totally respect. Agreed. But it doesn't need to be a texting buddy, buddy. Let's get lunch every week. Okay, but didn't I get, I did my homework because that's a hot take, right? I'm so impressed with you. Did you do your homework for this question? What was the next question? Because I was wasted for four days last week. What other questions? Wait, where were you again? I went to Napa for my husband's birthday. And I mean, we did not. I mean, today is even a struggle for me.

17:49Are you okay? I'm okay. You look great. Thank you. Well, I got a glam for an hour and a half. I was like, Tammy, we got till 1015. I'm not going to be late. She's like, your eyes are small. I'm like, I don't care. You need to just do the mascara. She's like, more lashes. I said, it's 11 a.m. We don't need more lashes, Tammy. I'm leaving. So that's it. I think you look great. You look so beautiful. Thank you. Everything is put together. Your teacher outfit. Is that what you said? You look like a teacher. Literally, it's my teacher. I literally, by the way, it's like, it's my Gen Z teacher look.

18:14I am obsessed with it. Thank you. Okay. Also, I've never been to Napa. Is it good? Great. I mean. That's your next place. Okay. It's so close. It's unbelievable. Do you recommend going there as a couple or like with friends? No, couple. A bunch of, oh, couple. Couple and couple friends. It's not a single girl's place. You really can throw a party, huh? Oh, yeah. Honestly, that might be my next career. Oh. I love it so much. A party planner. I could be a serious party planner. I'm like, it took so much work to plan this birthday and I really thrived. I saw the things you made for your husband for his birthday and I was like, every single little detail, I couldn't even come up with that in a year.

18:55No, it was a lot. But I will say shout out to my mother-in-law because she really helped me. She is like Oz. She is like a magical wizard that will just come up with these insane ideas and it'll just she got 22 pieces of metal engraved in 24 hours she's like I can get it done don't worry I can get it done I said she said there's nothing I can't do she literally had it all fucking done I was like there's no way she had a neon sign my assistant picked it up that morning and drove it to Napa it was done the morning of the party how nice is it to like your mother-in-law I we are I will not to get too crazy and deep we are like kindred spirits through life have you had the opposite before even if it wasn't like an absolute mother not like not bad I've never had a bad relationship with anybody's mother but definitely not to this level yeah because I've had like the the son mommy dynamic where it's a little too incestual that you're like do you want to fuck your mom or me like what I can't what's going on that's not the guy for you I can just no it does not work it doesn't work at all no it does not work it's it's so it's such a turnoff also 100 sexually yes and it's like oh you have to call your mommy every couple hours like Like get it together.

20:07We're adults. And that's something I have to think about with my son. He's got a sweet spirit. So I might need to smack it out of him soon. But he's adorable. They're good kids. And they've got great names. So they're immediately cool by association. Also you. Thank you. The whole thing is going to work for them. Thank you. Okay. What is a hot take that you've had in the past that you no longer stand by?

20:43what is a hot take that you've had in the past that you no longer stand by okay I used to have a okay mine that I used to not like Anne Hathaway or her style and now I love her oh my god is that a hot take so good I used to not be able to look at her I was like oh my why does she annoy me to this level now she's my idol she is my queen i don't know what the fuck she's done it's that subtle actress work that's just puffing the right things up the cheekbones are sunken in the right way the outfits i'm inspired by them it's that it's the tousled bang she's back right where she needed to be in devil wears prada i can't handle i love her and we loved her in that movie loved who didn't love her yes and i love her now i think she went through a really weird phase where people were just shitting on her hated her it It was when she was like hosting the Oscars and it was just like too theatrical.

21:35And I think what it read as, as we've touched on, it's the inauthenticity that people just don't have time for. Was she in Les Mis? Yes. Because it was too theatrical. And we're like, we want you back. Princess Diaries. Yes. Our queen. Yes. Like give it back to us. And she's back in her era. Yep. So I think that's a great hot take that you used to have and then you don't agree with and now you, you know, you change your mind. Okay. You have discussed pop culture and celebrities for years. so I'm interested to know yeah who would be your celebrity hall pass John Mayer was that too fast John Mayer yeah yeah yeah really yeah my husband knows it's always I I when I was single for a little bit I was like I'm gonna go out with John Mayer guess that that did not did not happen have you ever met him oh yeah uh-huh oh still did not happen oh no I'm fine fine moved on now what about uh-huh I feel like I'm fine um he's a Libra my husband's a Libra I get along with Libras I was Like, oh, he would totally, if he had two hours with me, he would fall in love with me.

22:30Nope. Not, not even a little. Not for a second. What about him do you love? I don't know. I think he's hot. I think he's just got the whole thing down. I'm into it. I love that he's just like mysteriously moving through every single person you've ever met. Ever. Except me. I'm, I'm fine. I'm just saying. That's my celebrity hot dog. I'm here. Yeah. And would your husband be okay with it? Oh, no, absolutely never. Oh, okay. No, no, we're not. We're, we're like totally. Close. we were like yes but you know who his is who it i feel like he's also more um quiet about his hall passes which is like the ones you always have to watch out for like the people that vocalize their desires it's on the table he's like oh she's she's pretty shut the fuck up with she's pretty who says she's pretty about any person in their life no one no one unless you're in love with them right there you go who's he i'm gonna call who the fuck yeah wow okay so he's made little comment yes who I'm trying I guarantee you when I leave we're just gonna have to do this again because when I leave I'm gonna be like oh he likes blah blah blah he thinks Kim's hot but like that if you're a frog you think Kim is hot she is like she is a really beautiful I've never seen her in person I've heard she's it's like looking at the sun you can't stare too long she's it's like she's stunning this is very beautiful and was always very beautiful that's why this works as well as it does.

23:52I agree. Wow. Okay, so Kim, for your husband and you, John Mayer. Yes. What a fun couple night. You guys should just do it all together. There you go. Well, you have to watch out because Kim's single. Well, I guess John's single too. Oh, yeah. What's the most memorable interaction you had when you met a celebrity? I mean, it's not as fun as it should be because it was on Zoom, but I guess it's split. They're my highlights. Rihanna I went in to do a um interview with her for Fenty Beauty and it was sort of like you were in a waiting room in zoom and then I opened the camera up and those are very stressful and doing things over the internet are very stressful you want to be able to meet someone be able to do a little small talk right and she was like oh my god Morgan I loved you on Rich Kids you were so funny and I literally I like was seven and a half months pregnant and I like peed a little bit it was literally I'm not I was like so excited and I couldn't hold my labia tight because it was like flapping open at that point and that's what happened and then George Clooney was also so fucking lovely and like a movie star so those two the bigger the star I've realized the nicer they are really oh yeah because you've already achieved that level of success you just want good normal nice people around you to treat you like a human being you're not insecure you're not climbing Jen Aniston really nice I mean never met her I've just heard just saying I am I love her so much so you're just i can't handle it i i can't but you know what i don't think that pertains to the james corden issue by the way that was i've heard i've heard i've heard we've heard uh so there was a lot of news i love i feel like now i'm doing like the nightly pop show but um i never usually cover pop culture but james corden which is one thing i just do not fuck with is news came out that he is the biggest fucking asshole to waiters and balthazar a very famous place in new york city that's just like the best French place to go to.

25:42I guess he was just like a fucking dick to the waiters and they banned him from going there. And I don't fuck with that. I don't fuck with that ever. You are not better than anyone. I agree. And how dare you be rude? How do you get to that point and how does it stay quiet for so long? I feel like if I'm rude to anybody, it's everywhere in two minutes. Oh, not to make myself that big. But I do feel like it spreads around. I don't know if it's a male versus female thing. I hate to go there. Right, because you're a bitch. She's never going to be called a bitch. No. What's he going to be called? An asshole?

26:08An asshole. but now he apologized and is unbanned in two minutes like you're rude to he's not just rude to waiters he's rude I allegedly allegedly and I've heard from people that we know obviously um that he's not polite and I don't know how you actually are a person that's not polite to other people it's just especially when you hear like the status of someone like you have such privilege and such access and just be like so grateful and gracious to people around you because be happy for what you have and agreed be fucking nice and especially when people are rude to waiters I'm like you're disgusting disgusting um but that's really interesting take that the bigger the celebrity the nicer they are in my experience okay with James Corden yeah yeah but he's not even as big as you know I mean Rihanna George Clooney has full full movie star like I bet from a young age he came out of the womb and they're like he's gonna be a movie star yeah I think he just has that sort of je ne sais quoi vibe that like I don't know if that exists anymore in our I don't think it does I don't think it does because when you see Brad you're like that is a movie star Leo a movie star but then you know Austin Butler to me doesn't have movie star vibes I think also because he's too close in our age group but I do think it's possible that he can grow into it yes I think he's also like borderline too pretty so it also he doesn't have that sort of like rugged vibe that is like these other guys have yeah because Brad can be rugged even though he's prettier than both of us by the way and my mom met him once and he signed something for me he's lovely that's another person that's lovely did you always want to be in the spotlight because you're meeting all oh that was fast to be honest I didn't always want to be in the spotlight I always wanted to be successful at my talents that's what it was what were your talent like my talent was talking to people being funny engaging and like even I feel like my talent secret talent is like even if people hated me I'm talking early club days and like we had a weirdness because one girl was sleeping with somebody I was sleeping they still told me all of their insecurities and deepest thoughts and then told me even about the person that they were sleeping with like I am I can disarm people and make them feel comfortable so and I was so I struggled so much in school that I wasn't gonna like go to college and do that for four years so I really needed to kind of rely on the assets I had which were not always so easy to put into a job description I love it yeah I think it's great when you like you the fact that you knew and look you made it happen yeah thank god you're married to Jordan McGraw I am his dad is Dr.

28:23Phil he is does he act like your therapist at family dinners you know what he honestly he's very quiet in real life and he doesn't need to say a lot which is the opposite of me to fill in the void and same with my husband he doesn't need to say a lot too so every time I'm around him I adore him we get along very well I he inspires me I mean the self-made success that that man has had is I mean he tried to talk to me about my e-contract I'm like this is too below we're not talking we're not talking I'm talking about cable television like I'm not getting money back on the sales here or the like time slots I'm like this isn't I'm like I just need to know if I should ask for this or this right he is wicked smart I definitely am like can he read my mind like does he know all my hurt feelings and traumas and like bad habits but we have a really nice banter were you nervous when you first met him well you know I dated my husband first right 10 years 12 years ago now for a year and then we broke up but I had seen his parents around throughout the times that we weren't together it was always energetically very strange to the point where I was with my ex-husband in Saint-Tropez I met up with my current husband's brother and sister-in-law and went on my in-law's yacht and sat with my mother now mother-in-law and father-in-law for like an hour with me my ex-husband and my best friend and I had seen them at restaurant you guys it was it's the world works in such mysterious ways and I've always had a lovely relationship So I guess you were friends with your ex.

29:49But no, can I tell you the craziest thing? He wasn't there. So this is fucking crazy. Yeah, he was not there. He was on tour and it was his older brother who I've always gotten along with, his wife who I adore. We met up in San Tropez and hung out. Was your ex-husband like, what the fuck? Not at all. They all got along. It was not, it had been so many years that it wasn't, and Jordan was like doing his thing and like had different girlfriends. And I look back now, I mean, even the purses he bought me from 12 years ago, I never got rid of them and that wasn't to be sentimental that was just because it was Chanel and I was like well I'm not going to get enough money I'm going to keep it and now I look at my closet I'm like I now have two children with you I'm going to now pass this on to you that your dad gave me this bag when we dated when we were 22 or whatever like it's crazy does his family also live in LA yes they live close to us we see them my mother-in-law comes over all the time because we're very close I go there she made a room for Ro that is nicer than my entire house it's like a joke and your family lives in LA too and my family lives in LA a lot no it's it's I'm we got lucky with this my parents are happily married and have been for almost 40 years and my and they're they've been together 40 fucking four years they are the most and I'm not just saying this to you they're like eating at their kitchen counter like normal fucking people like they're so it's I've got so blessed okay that's good yeah it's good um you obviously have been with Jordan for how many years now oh my god 2020 we started to be together we We are going to be married only two years in December.

31:19It feels like we've been together for 25 years. I love it. Yeah. How do your personalities complement each other? I am so external and extroverted and he's extroverted in a different way. So he's more introverted and calm and reads situations really well and is a really good judge of character. I have a harder time with that. I'm really open and vulnerable upon meeting people. And then I'm like, fuck, why did I do that? Shit, I don't trust you. I don't like you. And then I have to backpedal. he's very good at like balancing me out he's every time I'm in a bad mood or don't feel good about something he can talk me off a ledge I'm working on being able to do that for him because he's like if he gets upset about something I'm like don't worry about it and it's like no you have to validate someone's feelings which I talked about my therapist she was like no you can't you have to also make them feel because I'm like get in the game we're fucking fine charge through it and he's like can you just like be in my feelings with me I'm like oh the feelings you're like oh right right hate feelings but yeah oh wow that's really interesting so when he needs to cry you're like buck up I'm working on it because that's how I've been cuddle him yes I'm sweet I validate but we also think the exact same way about 90 of things so nice anything we watch on tv anything we see any we have the exact same immediate reaction at the same speed which is very rare that is so rare and I think that when that happens you got to hold on to it that's why we came back around when you guys had children was there anything that completely shifted in your relationship no I think we were really really really on the same page about making sure that our relationship was a priority and we couldn't be completely only centered around our children so smart you have to do that or you just will not survive at all because there's always something to do there's always something to fix there's always something to talk about and at one point we did have to peel back on getting the house like in order and having the right people around and he finally at dinner was kind of like you need to learn to stop talking after people leave you need to just relax and enjoy your life and stop worrying about things that can't be changed right now because I am such a doer I want to get things fixed immediately he's like you just can't oh that's nice I feel calmer from hearing his words yeah it is just I think I'm a little like that like just a little much and my boyfriend's always like how about you just like calm down yeah when they do that now I don't get upset when because if another boyfriend in the past would say that he'd be like shut the fuck up yeah but now I know my partner's coming from a good place exactly so it's healthier yes I brought you here to talk about weddings okay okay because I've never really talked about them on my show okay you've had two I've had two all the experience you need so first of all the first time around you had your wedding it was a big elaborate wedding yeah one we'll 150 people yeah how did you decide to have a big wedding to be honest that's not even that big it's not it's not even that big I feel like now like I feel like a big wedding is 300 people 250 300 could never could never do it and by the way don't ever do that because that's because your parents have a lot of friends and they want them there that's not because of you it's not about my parents it's about me exactly exactly okay so you had a small how did you decide to do a COVID wedding because I know a lot of people push those back it was just I didn't want to do a whole thing again I really it was about the two of us I knew that it was the right right situation and we just wanted to do it it really people like oh you were nothing to do with that I even at the point when we were dating I was like if you don't want to get engaged right away like I don't mind I mean I'm happy to just do this with you because I knew Roe happened the first time anything happened the first time wait so you're saying the first time you guys had sex ever had unprotected sex I got pregnant holy it was bananas we're even trying not even for I was wasted on my birthday we had unprotected sex I was like I can just pop a pill for that right I was like nothing's gonna even happen I mean you hear stories that it takes months and months and months I knew that when I I made the decision to have the unprotected sex in my drunken state.

34:57I was like, if this were to happen, which it's not going to, I feel confident enough with this person being the person who's going to be the father of my child. That's great. But it was fucking nuts. Four weeks to the day, I was positive on a pregnancy test. It was wild. I was like, what? Yeah, when you took the pregnancy test, were you? I was one day late and I was like, it's positive. And then I took 30 more. And then what did you do? You just had a conversation with Jordan and you were like, fine. I'm like, we're just going to have a baby. And he was fine. and he was fine and he was thrilled we were we wanted it I just didn't think it was gonna happen totally like at that timeline that's why because I think weddings like I'm interested by your smaller wedding versus bigger wedding because I think a lot of people feel so much pressure to like have the big wedding or have all these people there and half the time I feel like when you do that it's for other people it's not even for the people getting fucking married it's for all the family members to like fulfill a need of theirs whether it's like to show off or validation or just see all their fucking friends.

35:56Do you have any advice for anyone that's like trying to figure out like what kind of wedding they want? I think the idea for a big wedding is really, if that's something you want, I don't think you should be ashamed by that. I think you should go for it. I definitely think you should think about who you're genuinely going on the friend side. Family is more obligatory. You have to invite certain family members. I think on the friend side, do you really feel like this couple is going to be there for 10 years and down the road? Because it's also like, well, we like her, but we don't like him. And it's kind of like you need to really just make sure that you're not inviting people to invite them.

36:25I completely agree. And I feel like that happens a lot of times. I've seen people at their weddings and they're like, I feel like I haven't even talked to anyone that I care about. Like, oh, my God, where have you guys been the whole night? And I think that's sad if you don't get to enjoy your actual wedding, which I'm interested to know. Like, so you enjoyed your smaller wedding. I preferred it. And I'm not just saying that because this is like my current husband. I genuinely felt relaxed. I felt happy. I didn't feel exhausted. I was able to enjoy soaking in. I remember the meal we had. I remember the cake.

36:49I remember the photos. like it's really about celebrating the two of you it's in I don't care how much money you have we could have had the biggest wedding in the world but it's like we didn't want to spend that time small talking with other people I I love it also bridesmaids let's quickly talk about it oh god um do you think they're going out of style what is your yeah it's really dated it felt dated when I got married the first time I just and like most of the girls that I oh my god I can't even remember six oh wow I mean I speak to most of them but like it's just not it's just having girls stand up there with you it's it's I would avoid it were they all wearing the same dress yes I know I know I know it's I know listen if people are listening and you want to have a bride bridesmaids that's totally fine I just think you shouldn't feel pressured to because you're supposed to like have that many people standing up there with you get up there alone bitch do your thing do your thing and also you have to wait for all those bitches to walk down it's not it takes too long ceremony under 15 minutes quick it should be nine minutes

38:06let's talk a little bit about reality tv for a second let's do it you were on like i said the show rich kids of beverly hills yes which i mean what a name what a name what a name for a show it was insane looking back yes were you playing a character no I wasn't playing a character I was just a younger version of who I am now and I don't I don't relate to that person as much anymore okay but no I wasn't I wasn't playing a character I definitely felt like maybe I was more turned up in moments and like there were storylines we had to fulfill because it is ultimately no matter what they follow reality but you have to embellish you have to make like gray areas pop you have to refilm things so yeah it was a job let's put it that way okay so it wasn't a full character but you were kind of when you look back what do you like and dislike about that I didn't watch a lot of it to be honest I really I I put myself out there for other people to enjoy me or not enjoy me it wasn't for me to sit back and be like oh my god you're on tv so I really and my interview looks were so bad that was such a an early start of glam that I had no fucking clue about so it was just it's tough to watch back I get that I can't I mean even with my podcast sometimes I'm like oh people are always like oh how do you feel that you've had like four years of just podcasting on the internet and I'm like not great I mean it's not great like I don't hate it but I don't love it there's certain things that I'm like why did I say that oh totally oh no by the way I felt like I was way I guess like bitchier immature insecure just like but what you are is like a younger version of yourself that's what I feel like people have to understand like sometimes people look back at when you put your life on the internet or you're on tv and people scrutinize you for one thing you're like I was how old and now I'm like I'm different I'm a different person and if you documented yourself absolutely at that age hopefully you'd be a different person five years later also right and good fucking luck exactly exactly okay so you don't hate the character but you just look back and you're like I was just like a little bit more aggressive I was a little bit more aggressive and I wasn't as happy you know what I mean and I also hadn't had five years of therapy how did you like filming that show I liked it I was definitely I took it very much as like this is a stepping stone I had worked towards getting on the show not that specific show but a show in general and I treated it very much like a job like I was on time to things like it was fun because I was friends with them but with the people on it but it needed it was a job what are you like in a social setting when you're drunk give us like loud loud and very nice oh I am like we're going here what about this oh my god you told me you were interested in that I get like high off of being able to be louder because I'm wasted and then I am inviting you everywhere we are going to Rome and then I'm like oh no we're not we're not going to Rome like I am like engaging you're the person that meets people in the bathroom and you're like guys come to the table yes I am that person I'm that person I've been I'm like an internal club rat no matter how old I am like I just like love to talk to people but then I also if I get cornered and I don't want to talk then I have a serious psycho breakdown okay because I don't know how to I don't know how to get out of the conversation I was talking about that with somebody the other day where I was at an event and someone was stuck and you just can see it like everyone can see it when you're in a social setting and it's the nature of what happens you start talking someone totally genuine conversation whatever but like it's forced because you guys don't really know each other and it was just more supposed to be like a hi how are you like oh so good to see you here and then you're supposed to keep flowing but then all of a sudden everyone else is in conversation and you're stuck with that person it's like your partner for the night and you I'm always with the partner for the night and then I almost get I get so fucking crazy that I will be like we're seeing it through now we're fucking signed up for this keep telling me about your mom what mental illness did she have oh tell me about your parents divorce when you were 12 why the fuck am I in this deep this is what happens I get fucking blind and I keep going I do too and I'm down the tunnel and now I'm like well we can talk about this like here's my like my number like my number I'll give you my therapist and like we can get through this let's get lunch I'm like I didn't even want to go I didn't want to go to lunch and it's not even like being fake you're trying to make someone comfortable right you double down because you're like why aren't you walking away right right just say hi how are you and just I know a good host I'm gonna start to like implement that into my parties of like you guys have been talking a long time and it's nothing mean no it's genuinely it's like sometimes you don't need to have a conversation that long with someone no and you could just say I gotta go but sometimes if the other person's not reading the queue it can get a little awkward oh my god I've there so many times exhausting because sometimes they really are excited to have the conversation i know and you're like what the fuck yeah and there's other times where i want to talk for an hour to someone yeah don't get it twisted like but it's usually not somebody you've just met unless it's you and i you're all like guys you know we yeah exactly if someone can't shut the fuck up but it's like a good can't shut the fuck up great if someone's so um self-centered and just keeps talking about themselves and you're like do you even know my name yeah then that's where you want to just yeah i agree um what is a current social media trend that makes you cringe oh my all of it I feel like the TikTok I mean I feel like I'm just I I no shade to it I love it but I just cannot I don't have the I don't know I can't find I'm like trying to do Beyonce cuff it I'm trying to fucking figure it out I'm trying to do that and I can't it shifts a lot every day every day I can't even post on TikTok I try but like I just can't I can't get it down I can't get it down also like our photos just not good enough anymore like how do you want me to take a video of me walking down the street and pretending like I don't know because I tried in Napa you know what happened it was horrific okay it was it was so bad that I was like how the fuck does this who took the video for you my husband I said you have to take a video of my outfit because I can't just get a photo I need to do walking he goes okay here it was so much nose it was so much it was so bad it just I can't you just knew I just knew that's the thing that's awful is or even like the photos where we're trying to like pretend we're not looking we know someone who is holding our own personal iPhone and taking the photo and what has become cool about that I'm doing it too I'm like looking down yeah oh looking away like just look at the camera what happened to this i know the smiling at the photo i swear i'm gonna bring it back that's what we should do i should i cannot keep pretending like oh there's a bird oh my god oh and i'm looking down it's been years of social media and i still have no fucking idea maybe we bring it back yeah it's time like you're the photo yeah smiley happy i feel much better i'm not doing the pressure i'm not doing it anymore or just stare at the camera we acknowledge we know there is a husband or a boyfriend or a best friend or a mom or a grandma crouching to get the angle exactly acknowledge that exactly I'm with you I agree okay well this is making me feel better okay when you wrapped your show after five seasons your parting gift from your team yes was a book of some of your best quotes what was your favorite quote from the book it was something about like you not knowing your dad what was it it was like if you're in a if you're in heels by the pool like you don't know your dad or something like that because really why why are you in heels by the pool like i don't like are you gonna like are you gonna slip and break your neck like you were really trying for something like you need to call someone else if you're in heels by the pool you don't know your dad yeah and you have like a thigh tattoo that you regret and like you're in like a black zippery like something that's uncomfortable for the labia to be in wait what do you feel about the wedge or like the one with the um cork underneath essentially listen it looks like a plank from home uh home depot home depot i don't hate a wedge it's a you got to be specific about the wedge but i like white or black when things are in the gray i have a very hard time i spiral okay i need things to be very clear you're either my best friend or you're not my friend i can't have you like kind of be a friend to me whatever i'm getting to the wedge part of it all a wedge is the gray right because you're not wearing it to dinner unless you're on vacation.

45:42So it's sort of a useless shoe unless that's your heel of choice which like doesn't feel formal enough for me. How much time do I have to know all these opinions? It's kind of weird. No this is good. This is good. So to me I'm overwhelmed by the idea of a wedge because it's useless to me. But I bought a pair of wedges over the summer. They had pom-poms on them. I was I brought them on vacation and I never ended up wearing them and so I wore them on my show one time. But like a wedge just does not serve conducive to getting dressed I agree with you yeah I'm not wearing wedges with jeans it's not 2008 oh no no no no no I agree they're not the cutest also no they're not they're comfortable yeah they're definitely comfortable but like you're not they're not comfortable in the sense that like I'm wearing them to Coachella or that's scary who's wearing those to Coachella nobody I hope nobody you're talking to no nobody what did you think about the um what boot is in right now the knee or above the knee or below like what are we doing i think to the knee or high up i think they both work an ankle high an ankle boot that's healed is it's unacceptable it's never it never elongates it never looks good you're not doing yourself a favor it doesn't look good on irena fucking shake if you have an ankle boot return it it is i don't care if it's a sock booty and it's the most flattering version it does not look good it's cutting off your leg whether your legs nine feet long or two feet long they're awful a black suede ankle boot makes me want to clench my asshole and ditch it I think I owned one of those in college I thought I was like rocking the and then there's like throw up on the side because you've walked through it and then there's like a little chain to like zip it oh oh mama okay so when you I love how I'm asking you fashion advice but I think this can like help a lot of people no I like we're lost out here okay so it's either to the knee yes or high as high high to the point where you're not getting like if you're wearing a skirt it's it's the skirt is covering like you want it to be extensive leather do you feel like that looks hoish though like no no it's not hoish because we are covering so skirt so boot skirt we don't want let we don't want this showing we don't want an ounce of skin showing you also not to confuse you can wear pantyhose under the thigh high boot and wear a booty short like a leather booty short with a baggy sweater that reads classy and cute but if you're doing skirt no pantyhose and boot that's showing trash whore disgusting which by the way I am the biggest trash whore but I just not in terms of dressing okay this is good yeah it's giving everything you're calling out is like Alex in college exactly no by the way we've all we've all been there trust me so if you're in college do what we're doing actually because here's you want to be a trash whore exactly it's the best to be the trash exactly but now I feel like people also like do these little tricks that they're like why doesn't it look the same on me and those little details are why it works on like the people these girls are following I got it and so when you're doing a boot though and you're wearing long pants yes you just the pants go over the boot okay yes so if you're doing an ankle boot for that purpose and it's covered and you don't know it's ambiguous in terms of the height fine but if you're doing have you ever seen someone wear an ankle boot with a dress yeah no no stocking yeah it's uh it's uh it's just unacceptable it's not making you look better in any way okay so while we're wrapping up because this is actually great I never talk about fashion on Call Her Daddy but I actually think this is fucking helpful because it it really is good I'm so happy we need to learn for fall yes what are some like go-tos we need to just be rocking wearing living in I think it should always everyone should have two oversized crew neck sweaters two oversized and I think you I'm somebody that like believes in investing in like a higher priced item even if you can't buy them a lot because you have them for five years what's your go-to outfit for like a fun sexy date night I always I buy all this shit and then I'm always like in a really fitted like skinny crop ankle jean with like a blazer of some kind and like a t-shirt underneath and a heel like that is like what I am comfortable in that's what I go to skinny crop jean yeah heel it should always be a little bit high on the ankle high on the ankle not all the way down where you're like no it needs we should have done a fucking vlog episode where I come over and we try it on clothes by the way I'm ready maybe we do that let's do it I'm ready because like we need help I am those are the daddy gang needs help you're like I can help I can help you anytime you want okay I want to know yeah what are you doing next your show just ended show just ended I'm in the process of working I'll be very detailed with you right now I'm working out a budget for a pilot I'm going to shoot for a show idea that I've had for a really long time and I'm not going to say exactly what the show is but it is definitely something that I for years have just been like I don't feel like my multi-layered self has been shown there's always a version of who I am there's a like there's a very empathetic very nice side of me I'm I'm just going to talk all about how great I am and generous and I'm actually a pretty decent person and somebody I've become that I've started to really like after all the work I've done and I feel like that doesn't get exposed enough and so this show will interweave a little bit more of like the different layers of who I am.

50:54So are you gonna have a reality show? It's not gonna be reality. Okay. There will be snippets of reality but it will not be reality. When you're saying that you've really come to like yourself. Yes. What is that evolution? I think that I've worked like a lot on myself especially in the last four years and I've really like learned why I worked the way I did for so many years and like ended up leaving relationships really in a sort of a messy place and friendships in a messy place and I just feel like I now understand certain things have happened to me over my life that I understand now why I operated that way and now I'm moving away from that because I'm undoing all of that and so I feel like I get to be the better version of myself and so that version I would like to be out in the world more and it's also hard to like self-produce yourself every day to post video it's like it's a lot I'm exhausted I don't want to do that all the time but I love that for you also so exciting because like you're now raising children and you're just like the fact that you're feeling like you're the best version of yourself therapy a godsend a godsend and I mean I I'm so excited for the show whenever it comes out and I'm manifesting May I think I'll be filming in May oh yeah I've manifested everything in my entire life anything you want in your entire life you can get it you just say it anything I'm gonna oh I want I'm gonna date him okay except for John Mayer everything has happened except for John Mayer but honestly I will be checking the news moving forward because I could see it happening now yeah there's gonna be like all of a sudden they allow a third into their relationship and they had a one night spree with John Mayer oh my god no I love you thank you so much for coming thank you so much for having me so so fun the daddy gang's gonna love you and we're taking notes on the passion advice.

52:30I love it. I'm coming back anytime. I love you. Love you.