Olivia Attwood: OnlyFans, Cam Girls, Pornhub and Sugar Babies (FBF)

0:02What is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy Hello? Oh my god. I feel like I know you. I know. I know. I've been so excited to meet you. This is going to be so good. Do you need anything? This is crazy. No, I've literally helped myself to like free Prosecco from the... Wait, what? I know there was... I don't even know. Guys, I didn't get offered any. What the... It was in a fridge. I just took it. You're like, let's go. Welcome to London, babe. Oh my god. I'm so happy to be here. What are we at with swearing for this pod? fucking little dirty cunt i'm gonna slide a dildo up your you can say whatever the fuck you want but i wondered like are we gonna make drinks or whatever because i know no one offered me a drink so i was like i think guys can we get alex and peseca so apparently olivia's been drinking without me i found in a fridge i was up i might have paid someone's goes to corner shop it's upstairs in the fridge there was four bottles and i just took a tumbler okay ready yeah ready olivia atwood welcome to call her daddy like that sentence just gave me chills by the way like i've got goosebumps wait i love it so much i'm so happy to be here in your presence really yes okay i'm gonna give you a backstory because i'm gonna like i'm gonna lube you up here okay okay pandemic i'm sitting in my new york city apartment i am so bored as we all are and i'm like i need to find a tv show that I can like go and binge.

1:35Like I need to be here for days on end and I find Love Island. And I put on my social media and I'm like, what season do I start? Obviously UK. And everyone is like, you have to watch three or five. You have to watch three or five. And so naturally I'm like, I'm starting with three. I click on three. Your beautiful face pops up and the entire season I was obsessed. You were so incredible. I was like, I need to interview this girl. And I thought this like over a year and a half ago to two years ago. So naturally I flew 5 ,000 miles so I could sit down with you and interview Olivia Atwood. This is crazy.

2:13This is crazy to me. Like I've been a fan of the podcast forever. I swear to God, the Instagram, everything is wild. Daddy gang, be nice to me. Are you kidding me? They're going to be, they are going to be so nice to you. I've actually had people wanting you to come on the show for so freaking long. and I had reached out to your team and I think we had originally been like, we can just do a Zoom. I remember this a little bit, yeah. I was like, are you fucking kidding me? I'm not doing a Zoom with Olivia Atwood. I hate Zoom as well. It's just not the same. We can't drink Prosecco. I can't.

3:03Let's go back a little bit. Okay. Because everyone knows you from Love Island and you were incredible on it. But before Love Island, young, young Olivia, not that young, but like, you know, I'm not saying she's like 10 years old doing this, but you were like so creepy. You were a grid girl. Yeah. Can you explain what is a grid girl? What was your job? What were you doing? I was a model but doing grid girl and promotion stuff to like fill the gaps you know and I was at this thing we have in the UK called the touring car championships it's like pretty low-key whatever it was there it was a miserable fucking day it was like the north of England and I was like what am I actually doing like standing here with this sad little flag and then the monster girls were there with another team and one of the girls approached me and she was like would you you know want to work with us but you when you work with monster you can only do like monster you can't do like a bit of this bit of that so I said yeah um and then yeah I started like a week after that and I did that solidly for like oh god like four or five years I was like a monster girl so it's everything it's like all sporting events like ski skate um like track cars motorbikes it's crazy obviously it's a bunch of hot girls and you're hanging out and naturally I can only imagine like the parties and the vibes what is one of the wildest nights out you remember having during that time of your life they were always wild like it was you know the amount of times I turned up with on no sleep like I mean I was just a different animal back then like I couldn't do it now like I'd be in a fetal position like rocking crying like I was I could go out all night and then still look hot the next day was like you know it's like to be that age is just the dream but people always say to me oh the riders the drivers but you know like the thing was like formula one drivers motor gp they don't drink like really they don't they're like they are like quite a weird breed like they're not super social it's a very like you know isolated sport so they don't really get involved in like you know partying and stuff so it was more like i'd end up like with the mechanics like i didn't give a shit if he was down to like drink with me and get messy i was all about it Like I didn't care if you were changing tires earlier, you still got grease on your hands.

5:15If you want to go and like, we'll pound a bottle of Jager, let's do it. Like I had no prejudice. I didn't give a shit. I love that for you so much. Also, I was, I was thinking about it because I've dated athletes before. I know you're engaged to one. And so I'm thinking like, I forgot that concept. Like when you're younger, you want to go for these athletes, but it's almost like wait till you're like a little bit older because they don't fucking party. No. And they're so like obviously dedicated to what they're doing and focused and nothing is going to like. Just disgusting. Oh my God, imagine having dedication and, you know, self-control.

5:49Olivia and I are like, it's so annoying that they won't party with us. Like I don't comprehend it. I want to get a vibe, Olivia, of like, how would you describe your dating life before Love Island? Give it to us. so I had a long-term relationship with just this oh it's a piece of shit but I was with him for like four or five years it was like my first real thing and I was doing modeling and I was very obsessed with this relationship and I almost you know my modeling agency was so done with me because I would flake on things because I just wanted to be with him all the time like I didn't even care to have my own money I had no drive it was a really good lesson for me I learned I'm so glad I had that kind of relationship at that young age because it taught me everything that I needed to know do you know what I mean like to have your own money to have your own independence I just was obsessed and I was flaking on job stuff he used to do his thing where he'd break up with me like on the Friday and be like I'm going whatever like you know I'd be all anxious and like I'd be a mess and then on Monday to come back and be like oh no like let's work it out he just picked me up and dropped me all the time so when like Monster actually gave me like a lifeline at that time that I needed it's weird everything in my life I feel like with Love Island Monster it's like the universe has like thrown me this like life vest like at that time it's like because doing Monster at first when I when I realized how much travel it was I was a bit like I don't want to like travel and be away from him because I was like obsessed for some reason and it's like doing that and seeing the world and meeting new people open my eyes to like oh my god there's just like massive world out there and you've made your world so freaking small like for what reason so it kind of opened my eyes how dire the situation I was in was and then that broke down like for a good reason but then following that my dating was like pretty erratic like I just used to like you know go from one guy to the next I jump in really feet first like I am all about that I want them to be obsessed with me I want to be obsessed with them I want to get tattoos on the second date I want them to move in like I might you know they could come to the second date with my name tatted on their head and And I'd be like, I'm what?

7:55Yeah, I'm literally, do you want to go upstairs? My friends are like, that's insane. I'm like, I love him. Like, yeah, so I love that, that obsessive being in love. So I was always, you know, going kind of once the next, chasing that feeling. Sometimes you have to go through those relationships. I don't know anyone that hasn't had that one obsessive relationship that borders unhealthy. And it takes you having distance and space from someone to then be like, oh my God. And it may literally be like you going away for your job a bunch. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait, this shit is not healthy.

8:25Whether you're like viewing your friends or the people around you and you all of a sudden are like, OK, I need to like look at this differently. At one point, I don't think I had my own debit cards. It was ridiculous. Like I didn't I literally like when I say pulled the rug under my feet every time he like left me, I was like, you know, I was underweight and I was crying. And I was just I was just like I was just it was so unhealthy. And I just, it just, learning that at that age, like, you know, my late teens, early 20s was like, I think a really important lesson to learn. It just, I remember how I felt and I thought I'm never going to let myself be in that situation again.

9:00Yeah, if Brad walked out tomorrow, it would hurt. Like, I wouldn't get over it in a day. But I could still get in my car that I own, drive somewhere, get my own house. Like, do you know what I mean? I'm good. Like, I'd be heartbroken, but I'm good. I'm not going to be on my knees like I was with that situation. I've been in one of those too and I think it's like wait if he left tomorrow what happens? Like am I okay? Like again heartbroken is different than wait I literally have nowhere to live, no money no friends, my family is gone because I distanced myself like checking those moments I think is good.

9:31Oh I was like distanced from everyone like friends, family like completely isolated like so yeah Monster was like you know it was it threw me a lifeline and we had the best, I travelled the world, this is my thing that I say is like you know people get on about grid girls or like you know ring girls and this anti-feminism like who we've had men telling us what to do now we've got other women telling us what to do if you feel empowered doing something and you're safe and you're in a an environment like monster is a safe you know it's a very safe gig for me who's anyone else to tell me what that empowered me changed my life if threw me a lifeline you know that is amazing but at the same time you know it i couldn't i did it for four or five years and you know it's that I got to the end of my thing with it you know when you're working for a brand like that is you there's not much individuality like you know you have to have your hair a certain way your nails a certain way you do this that the other and towards the end I because I felt like I was outgrowing it a little bit I started pushing the boundaries like burning some bridges you know just like acting like just acting out because I started to be like no I'm gonna come with red nails like just for the fucking hell of it right that's actually really cool though for you to like hear about the whole concept of how monster helped you because I agree I feel like so many people are so quick especially with whatever women are doing if anything has to do with your looks they're like it's degrading you're not empowering yourself and it's like hold on like why don't you ask me how I feel first thank you and I feel like what the thing is it's without this how do I say this without it coming off really bad obviously I you know think of myself as somewhat intelligent but some girls they are just they just do want to do their fucking hair and look pretty and that might be their thing in life and why can you tell them that that's not good enough or that's not empowering like what you know i'm not telling the girls at nasa you can't work there because i'm not clever enough to work there like let people do their thing yeah thank you for sharing that yes i welcome love island okay so we're gonna we're gonna go through a little bit of that for people that don't know also i just want you to know i only watch love island uk i think it's entertaining i haven't watched the australia one have you i dipped in a little bit but not like is it as good i don't think anything's as good as uk it's not it's not okay so for anyone who has never seen love island do you how do you describe like the concept of the show oh it's like good looking girls and guys on an island dating it's a game show there's money at the end but the essentially it's like you get coupled up and you have challenges thrown at you and it's it's a test it's you know who can find a real connection a connection real enough to take you to the final and maybe win that money although it's weird with love island like when you're in there no one really talk gives a shit about the money it's yeah it's kind of like you wouldn't you don't even need the money at the end the money it's just like a thing but it's it kind of yeah no one focuses on that in a weird way i love that though because i was thinking about it i feel like love island is so much more accepted and loved than consider like the bachelor it's like it's not realistic that after six weeks you're going to get married like i love how love island is like are we going to hit it off and are we going to leave here together as a couple like that's so much more realistic and obviously being in a house together and there's alcohol and there's nothing else to do other than alcohol there's like two glasses yeah yeah no but it is kind of Wait, would they limit you?

12:52Are you joking? Wait. Are you joking? Wait. Wait, why don't I know this? Two glasses of wine. On my series, okay, I can't speak of it. We were all like balls to the wall crazy, so we might have been limited more than others, but we had two glasses of wine at night or beer. That's shocking because I didn't realize none of you were hammered. So all that stuff I'm doing, I'm basically sober. I'm just insane. I'm like, she must be hammered when the fight scene happens. No. I said they didn't have my drink yet. And then I went outside and the producer said, you're not getting anything tonight. I was like, oh, you're joking.

13:26I was like, honestly, I swear. I'm sober. Can you imagine if we were licking up? It'd be like a fight club. No, it actually would have been probably like not even arable because it would have gotten so wild. So the reason is, they say, because I questioned them every day. It's the point where they're like, if you ask about it again, you're going to get a written warning is what I was told in the beach hut. because I argued every day is that the show is because it's about dating about love they don't want people doing stuff you know driven by alcohol and the next day waking up being like oh I don't actually like him I only snogged him because I was drunk because it's not that kind of show wouldn't make sense they want people kissing and being in bed together because it's they want to not because they're drunk right which is so different I feel like in real life though because let's be real I mean I've gone from living on my own since I was like 21 to you know doing what I want to being told like you know you got two glasses it was a real hard for my head like to deal with oh yeah I feel like I would feel that way too okay so that's a really good insider info I did not know so when you got there in your mind and your experience like what was the atmosphere and energy on that set series three was the one that like blew up right so we had series one and two in the UK that were popular so I was meant to go on series two this is like the tea wait give us how you were cast okay like tell me the tea so it's really like an eye-rolling kind of like nauseating ways but I was approaching Instagram they DM me so series two they DM me I only watched little bits of series one it was popular but really like no one was really talking about it I was doing the monster thing I'd started a thing off with this guy he was like a rider whatever like motocross thing and I was all about him we'd done the tattoos and stuff after the second day it was sweet and then you actually did yeah I've got it still now it's like a bit faded but yeah Is Brad like, can we get rid of that?

15:11He's the most laid back guy. He's practically horizontal. He's got like the BDE. Is that what Kim says? He's got that big dick energy. He couldn't give a shit. What is the tattoo of? It's just his initial. I did it like two weeks in stating. Would you care if Brad had that? I don't think so. Really? I don't know. I would have cut it out of him in sleep. You're like, no, I wouldn't care. I would have just sliced it off during his time sleeping. He wakes up. What are you doing? Nothing. also for everyone listening Brad is Olivia's fiance yeah that's my okay great okay long suffering fiance you meet this guy you get to a two-second date yeah we're all into it they approached me they're like you know so I went and I didn't we were just dating so I was like um you know I'll see it through went to meet like interviews whatever then they offered me on I was all like I was basically carrying it on as if I was gonna do it and then it got to like literally I'm leaving in like two weeks and I was like oh I don't know that like I've got a really good thing going i like this guy a lot this show is it a bit like you know i've seen all the kind of the program images with the colorful backgrounds and it was no one had really thought it was cool yet so i was like i'm doing something that i think is quite cool and with this guy so anyway i just i just ghosted i just blocked everyone from basically itv i just and were they like hello yeah they were like calling as i just panicked blocked everyone i was like it's gonna carry on my life and then basically i was with him for a good like nine months or something anyway he cheats on me sleeps with this girl I go like how'd you find out uh I had like a you know just like a sixth sense I can't remember now the exact you just knew in your gut I just knew and I just I honestly I've mellowed so much I just went like I was yeah I was wait what did you do you have to tell someone call her daddy Olivia I was just like writing on my Instagram like wild stuff like ugly pictures of him like look at this piece of shit that cheated on me I was just like stuff that is a shame because i could never do that now because people would be like oh like you can't you know i just really enjoyed being like a nobody you know like just say what i wanted i was calling up his work non-stop i was just insane i was just literally my mum we were shopping in london when i found out my mum's like wrestling me like in self just trying to get the phone out of my hand because i'm doing so much damage she's like you need to stop you need to stop i'm like i can't and she's like it's all for the better i'm like no it's not i'm like i can't believe he's done this to me no i get that feeling though you're like he needs to feel a little bit of the hurt that i felt and so i get that i get that yeah i just i just went i reindulged myself i treated myself to a proper meltdown like i really did i was like smashed at 4 p.m rolling around london just like ringing up his work just fucking crazy rang his mom um just everything i'm like your son's a piece of shit and she's like oh um yeah and then i saw this advert i swear again it's like a whole universe moment i saw this advert like casting for lovevind it was on like a bus stop or something to like season three and i thought i should have done that last year so i go on my phone i find these people from lovevind i unblock a couple of them i just ring them up don't i just rang them up shout out to lewis he took the call i was like hi i was like do you remember me and he was like yes you're the girl that disappeared like and i was like well i was like i would love to have a chance to come on the show like i can't keep a straight face saying it and he was like i don't know what the execs are gonna say they're probably gonna tell you to like take a running jump he's like but i will speak to them um it's quite late in the day for like see i you know i think they'd already cast most people i just hung up i was then got all my feelings like what am i doing i don't want to do monster anymore like this guy's loser and and he called me back like the next day and he's like you can come on if you leave in two weeks so literally that was it i went like on a mad like zara hall like other brands are available and just got all the bikinis dresses and like two weeks later i was gone so once you got there and you were hanging what was do you think the biggest key to success on love island so my thing going into it and i you know i'm really open about this when i had nervous feelings about going in i thought the worst thing you can do on these kind of shows i think is go in be booted out in week one and no one even remembers you were there like what was the point like I've left monster they're not going to have me back I've burnt all those bridges I've left a modeling agency I've you know screwed off the guy that I was seeing like I felt like if I'm going to do this I have to do this properly and I'm going to make sure everyone knows that I'm in the building like that was my main thing and I really you know I just thought I'm gonna I thought to myself when I get in there I'm gonna forget those cameras I'm just gonna do it how I would live life but it's crazy like I know everyone says it but like after like 24 hours you really forget like you really forget you're like being watched oh my god like you know there were certain members in that villa who maybe were slightly more canny and were you know more self-aware i've always been unself-aware i'd like to say like if you put me in now i know that they get how many billions of viewers a night that i would behave a different way i probably wouldn't because i can't i i cannot be anything but a hot mess i always talk about on my show like guys self-awareness is so key and olivia's walking and be like i am so unself-aware can you give us examples of what you mean by that because you don't see i get what you're saying of like the hot mess you look great put together right now you're speaking eloquently but what do you mean by you're unself-aware just i you know i hate this expression but you know like wear your heart on your sleeve i'm very like if i feel something or i don't like something i don't like someone I can't help but kind of either my face says it or my mouth says it one of them is gonna say it like I can't you know I can't be a wallflower despite trying at times it's like verbal diarrhea I feel like I'm literally like chewing my lips and then I just did you get in trouble for that a lot when you were younger oh like oh my god my mom used to say to me like what is this I'm ADHD which I know now which explains a lot but at school I used to do the weirdest shit and then get in so much trouble.

21:13And then I'd cry on the way home. My mom'd be like, but why did you do that? And I'd be like, I don't know. I legit don't know. Okay, well, it made for really great reality TV. Okay, so wrapping up Love Island, when you look back, what did you learn about yourself during or after filming that entire experience? If I watch her now, like, you know, I watch myself on Love Island, I was quite angry. You know, my back was up. Like, I was looking for an argument all the time. I think I've mellowed. And I think it's not, there's nothing I would have done differently because that's who I was at that time.

21:44And hindsight and age, I'm a lot more relaxed now. I wouldn't get wound up about those kind of things. But that's who I was then. And also it's like everything that has happened in my life is as a result. If I'd gone in there, like, you know, medicated in the corner, like not talking, then I wouldn't be sitting here with you now. I think that's such a good answer because I relate to that where like I started my show and I was 10 times crazier saying shit that probably like maybe wasn't at the time. Now I look back, I'm like, I would never fucking say that now. Like, I don't know if I would say that about a guy or a girl now, but I think it's like that's growth.

22:23Right. And people are like, no, like you can't change. I'm not saying I changed. I just grown and I had a different outlook on like the way I was when I was younger. And there's different reasons why you did what you did on that show. And if you went in there, you'd still be loud and rowdy, but you wouldn't maybe come off like in certain ways like you did in the past. Because you don't have that like baggage of those men fucking you over like you did when you were going in. Yeah.

23:03Congratulations of the new docuseries Getting Filthy Rich. Yeah. First of all, I just have to ask you, like, how does that even feel? Like, I'm already having massive imposter syndrome even being here with you, but that's just tipped me over the edge. I now feel like I'm sitting in someone else's body. No, no, own it because you're a boss. Like, it's incredible. So I want to just explain I got an advanced copy of the first episode. And so to anyone listening, this show follows Olivia on her journey as she participates in various ways people use their body to make money on the internet. In the episode I saw, Olivia dives into the world of OnlyFans.

23:42She creates a profile and interviews a number of content creators to see what really goes on behind the scenes with people making money on OnlyFans. Okay. I have to check myself. Let's check ourselves. How do we look? Okay. Had you ever considered doing OnlyFans prior to creating the series? Not in a serious way. I think I'd thought about it because I had heard this thing people kept saying to me. Oh, you should make, there's photos that you pose. You could make loads of money on OnlyFans. Kept hearing that again and again and again. So I was intrigued thinking, is it as easy as that? Right. So that was more, I think.

24:22You know, I think take me back pre-Love Island, like, you know, grid girl Olivia, she probably would have done OnlyFans. Do you know what I mean? But me right now where I was, I was more just intrigued as it's as simple as it sounds. It sounds way too good to be true. Is OnlyFans what started it for you or like what, how did the show come about for you? I think we were, you know, I was really looking to get into like docu-series world. Obviously, being from reality TV, like you can be obviously put in a box. and I'm happy with that box. I actually love reality TV and I've got no like desire to be like it's the worst thing and get me out that box but I was interested.

25:00I feel like you know on a good day when I'm sober I've got a quite decent brain. I can articulate myself like to a certain degree so I thought I definitely have more springs to the table. So yeah we were talking with different networks different ideas and when this one came up I thought that's a really good fit and I'm genuinely fascinated so it's going to be like you know exploring that area is going to be a genuine interest absolutely and I feel like in I know I only saw the first episode but like it translates like I was talking about it with my team and we were like this is exactly what you were meant to do in terms of like I don't know many people that could have handled it as gracefully and respectfully but also made it so fun as you because it is like a sensitive topic and definitely another woman needs to be in that room but also someone that's like willing to see both sides and be a part of the experience I thought it was really cool so you get on OnlyFans in episode one what was the most difficult aspect of being on OnlyFans the 24-hour aspect of it like I didn't I really thought it was something where the way it was sold to me you know from people I spoke to was you make the profile you stick the pictures on and the money just comes in that's not how you make money the money's made in the dms like the constant communication it's like the girls that are making the big money they are on the site 24 hours a day like you know talking to these people respond and when you don't respond because they've paid to be on your page they just hound you like question mark question mark like you know where are you like you know i was like quite taken back by that at first.

26:36I was also because again I think that's why I loved how you're peeling this layer back of like everyone listening if you don't have OnlyFans we all kind of have this idea in our head right of like you're right the girl has the profile she posts some photos she gets money and in this episode it was so fascinating and everyone needs to go watch it because it really gives this inside look of how hard these women are working like when you were like wait so what would happen if a guy is going to pay you like a thousand dollars to sext him and you're out and she was like I would go to the bathroom and I was like oh shit like it never stops and I could see you were kind of like wait this is giving me anxiety having this many messages on my phone and these people kind of thinking they have like a claim over me of like hi like you owe me something Yeah.

27:22Did you feel empowered while on OnlyFans? I don't think I did because I had the account, obviously, for documentary purposes. So it was my own. But I also I couldn't take like ownership over it because I was trying to find that line of like, you know, I'm using it and I'm seeing how it works to do justice to this show. but also it's not mine in the sense where I'm going to engage in like I'm not going to send nudes out because they'd be out there forever so it was hard for me to you know land in a place where it felt like I was in control I guess because you know these people subscribe they want nudity they want like they don't want bikini pictures like that that's the biggest myth I think you know I think if you're already famous whatever you could monetize your bikini underwear pictures for a certain amount of time, a limited amount of time, and then you're going to have to do more or it's just going to die out or you're going to be earning not enough to live off.

28:19I think that's also insightful because I feel like I've heard a lot of people like, oh, I'm just going to post some of my bikini photos on there. And no one really talks about how it lasts for two seconds and then people get annoyed. It's like, we'll take your top off, blah, blah, blah. And there's a lot of, it feels like pressure on the site that I don't think a lot of women are prepared for. A hundred percent. I think, and you know, the temptation is like, it's crazy. Like, you know, the DMs start coming through like, you know, 500 quid for a picture of your nipples. And it's like, if you were in a situation where you need 500 quid, like how easy would it be just to, and I think there's a disconnect, isn't there, between doing something in real life and doing it with your phone, where like you could just do it and send it and there's the money, but then it's like, it's gone and you can never bring it back.

29:05And I think for, and I, you know, It sounds like I said that with judgment, because you can see what's true. I have no judgment, but I think the danger is that I think for some girls, it's absolutely great, and they kill it. And every downside of it, like the preconceived notions that they're a whore or they're promiscuous, it's water for ducks back. But for a lot of girls, they can't. And they find themselves on this site, and they weren't expecting the pressure, and they maybe succumbed to pressure that they weren't going to. they go in there saying I'm gonna do xyz and they end up doing more and then you're that feeling of regret and shame and I think that's sad you know totally I felt like in the episode you did a really good job of meeting with like a multitude of people showing the difference like there were some people in this episode that had such a niche like way about going about it like whether it was the fitness woman that was doing fitness and then sometimes naked while doing fitness and it's like She kind of had her angle and she felt, I think it appeared empowered because she was doing something she loves, which is working out and then just monetizing the hell out of it.

30:13Then there were some other girls that were kind of like, I started and I just kind of started like with just underwear pictures. And then it starts where what is the boundary and they've crossed it for themselves. And then I'm sure it feels like there's no going back. Yeah. Did you feel like when you were around all these women, did you feel like they appeared to be empowered by what they were doing? I think it was a mix, to be honest. I think some very much yes and some not so much. Like, you know, I always this is my thing. I went back to the grid girl thing. It's like the whole feminist argument.

30:48It's like, who is anyone else to say what empowers someone? If someone's telling me this makes me feel as an empowered woman, more power to you. like get it like 100 but i think there was some that i met with and definitely over the other films like you know the porn episode and sugar babies again we you know i meet both sides i meet people that i can see are really struggling with that lifestyle choice and others that are thriving yeah so i think it's just it's not for everyone and the thing that was going into it in the whole you know it's like a cheeky title like how to get filthy rich but the idea was to see like is it actually that easy because we all do it i do that thing where i'm like or i'm doing something i'm I'm just going to quit and do OnlyFans and do something easy.

31:28And then you realize, oh shit, it's not easy. Which I think is great, especially for women, that this show is coming out because I do think it's going to put a stop to that comment because I so agree with you. People are like, oh, fuck this. I'm going to quit my day job and go do OnlyFans. And it's like, I don't think people understand the gravity of that comment because of how much not only goes into it actually physically, but also mentally seeing these women. There's just like a lot behind it. that I mean a great job of capturing it's for me it's like every job right you do in the world has like this added tax right so if you're you know what I do I'm showing every part of my life has attack you know Instagram has an emotional tax it makes me feel sometimes I feel judged I feel stressed or if you work in the city and you're there like you know six days a week 10 o 'clock at night you don't see your kids that's a tax so does this like this is not does not come without the downside you know like the judgment and i think you know these sites and you know you're seeing cam girls episode as well it's like the the it is a hiding place for men as well to like express some pretty weird shit like and these girls have to read this stuff hear this stuff with no one to really help them like break down the terrible things they've either said to them or they asked them to do right and some of the things that i heard were just absolutely like shocking like you know the fact they have to read these messages and then just get on with their day and how does that then affect their relationship with you know other straight men in their lives because what i think is so interesting is whole online sexual economy debate we're all so focused on the girls like the girls who are doing only fans like oh my god they're the worst but it's our dads brothers colleagues who are buying the shit no one's worried about them they're the ones asking for them to do x y stick this up your ass they're not like these mythical creatures that come up from the sewers they are the men in our lives i love how you're saying that as much as it may pain people you're right it's like it's true it's your dad it's your brother because the man doing it is someone's son is someone's dad is someone's husband you know what i mean but we don't have a problem with them we have a problem with the girls providing the content but we're talking about millions of pounds a year this isn't like a niche this is like the majority of men not all the majority it's really interesting talking about cam girls I was interested because I obviously haven't seen the episode but can you explain what a cam girl is and how it's different from participating on only fans so for me when we were sitting down going to make the show and we talked about what the different episodes would be I was like cam girls I think I don't know if you have it in the states like babe station you know the tv channel where they've got the phone and I was like is that even a thing anymore it felt very 90s that's what I thought it's the kind of thing that I would flick onto when I was younger on like the home telly and be like, oh my God.

34:15So, but it turns out it's still like big money industry. And this is like, you know, we went, I spent 24 hours at a studio where it's on the phones, but it's also on like webcam. So they kind of like, they log on and they pay to be on like the stream and the girl's there and then they can call the phone. The girl will take the phone. So it's like, they can either do it from their home or in the studio, but it's contained to like the site. Do you know what I mean? Did you find that most of those women have OnlyFans or no? A lot, yeah. Not all, but most. Because it's just a no-brainer. But a lot of the girls who work in the site, they maybe have OnlyFans and they just like kind of dip their toe in it because they do the camming because they like the fact that they log on for like a camming shift for like five, six hours and then they go and they leave and it's done.

35:03Whereas like OnlyFans never leaves you alone. It's constantly, you know, it's on your phone. You never get a break. That's so interesting. So they find like doing the camming or going to a studio and being a cam girl. It's like that's work. And then literally like clock off, go home. And they've got kids and normal lives and husbands. And they just leave that. And then the next day they go back and they go back to work. That makes sense. Because the OnlyFans episode really, like, again, you guys have to go watch it because you feel how it's an every day, every minute of your life thing. Where now I understand.

35:33Because I'm like, why would a girl do cam girling if it's OnlyFans you can do it from home? there is a boundary yeah do you know like which cam girls obviously we haven't seen the episode yet but like the idea of it like who would make the most money like what kind of version of camming in what sense like is there are there different things that girls do that you can make like a different tier in camming like it's inside one thing across all episodes you'll see is like this and i really want to sit down like with a clinical psychologist and pick this apart because it has to be a reason yep this feet thing right across every single episode there's this undercurrent about feet so the girls in the county the ones who are like great at the feet chat who can like dangle the soletto on their big toe like do all the they kill it because literally six out of ten calls will be about feet what the fuck is up with men and feet i don't know but we need i need to get to the bottom i do too we should honestly call us like i'm gonna call my therapist right now and be like hi what the fuck is up like some connection something like freudian nightmare because these all the way through yeah okay you talk about sugar babies what was the biggest misconception you had about sugar babies that is always an exchange maybe for sex for money and i met girls you know people might roll their eyes oh bullshit no these girls are like honest with me like there is arrangements where it's not sexual it's just dinner yeah like or it's just company or it's some of them it's not even in person it's just talking and he might you know pin them like 500 quid or whatever right so I thought who the hell is going to give someone money do you know I mean for nothing yeah oh yeah I've heard of people also like I had a friend that did it and it was just to go to dinner and just to basically be his date and I'm like eventually is it going to progress to sex eventually they they do kind of ask I think but like for a while you can kind of stay in that gray zone which again kind of reminds me of the only fans thing where like you can stay in this gray zone for a little bit of like I'm comfortable with this and then someone's going to ask and then you have to know like how to set that boundary for yourself 100 % and I think one of the girls I've met um she you know she'd had this arrangement with a guy for like three four years you know she's never had sex with him and she said it's all about your approach like from day one you set that you it's the way you approach the situation that you approach that guy and you let him know that and I think that's you know where experience age everything comes into it same with OnlyFans I think you know you have to be a very strong person to be like this is my boundaries and I'm not gonna move whereas I think if you approached it and you're not really sure what you're gonna your angle is and it's easier for someone to maybe coerce you totally because you don't even know yourself but I think what did you find is the hardest thing about being a sugar baby i think maybe just living in that limbo land you know it's like you don't have a boyfriend but you're not single and and they essentially they are the one handing out the money so you have to kind of you know i guess i mean it depends how much money we're talking you know a lot of the girls it's like it's hard for them to have a normal job and be a sugar baby because some of these guys want them with them all the time and then you know i think some of the girls I spoke to, it's like, it's great if you've got a great thing going, but if he just like drops you like that, you can go from living this like unreal lifestyle.

38:57That's where it's like being smart, like, you know, getting the allowance, banking the money. Whereas like, I think if you're younger and just like living life and spending and then he's just like, oh, bye. You could be like, I can't afford my apartment. I can't afford my car. Like it's a very fine line of like thriving and succeeding and using the system and kind of like doing your thing with it. but you have to know like this takes way more work than we give these women credit for oh like they are straight up hustlers like if you the girls that do it right it's like it's an art form at the peak like you know like you say it's like it's like any relationship when you're young or like you know you're not thinking straight you don't set your boundaries your standards so that means the standards and the back there's just all a mess like so it's like anything you have to go in and be like this is what it is this is what i want from you this is what i'm gonna give you it's like we literally we need someone to like that's done this to like create a crash course which i kind of think you're in a way this is like the beginning of it because by you peeling this layer back it's giving people kind of that like introduction of what the world will be if you're interested in it and i think for a while there hasn't been that so women are just blindly going into it because they're just have money on the mind which i so get yeah who doesn't but it's like there's no idea of like how far it's gonna go and what's gonna happen because i think what i love about this show is that it's like an immersive documentary but it has heart and it has humor and we're not coming up from an angle whereas i think other shows that have looked at these subjects are coming from like a slightly judgmental it feels kind of like seedy i don't think there's anything wrong with you know dating someone for like financial gain or you know life experience or you know whatever it may be for travel like what the hell you know if you're two consenting adults you're you're not hurting anyone what does it matter but i think like you say that young girls need to and i think this is what this show is nice because it's very balanced we're not glorifying anything it's the girls are really honest they're like i make you know bonnie she's like i'm making 250 grand a month my best month but it's a heavy load to carry like it's not just as easy as that you know totally I know I haven't watched it yet and we're all going to see it but you also experienced the porn hub world what was your approach for that episode were you nervous I was excited oh yeah I was excited I was like I actually think I say in the beginning of episodes I was like, I've only seen one penis for the last couple of years.

41:26I was like, let's see it. So I was excited to like see some willies and like just be amongst it. And also just as someone that's like, you know, everyone's watched porn, but to actually see how it's made. Yeah, how was that like? Like, I mean, obviously I went to an orgy one time. I'm like giggling because it's, you know, when it's right there in the flesh. But it's just, it's all so different to how you imagine it to be. I learned like the cum shot you know on the thumbnails on the website that's like Gaviscon do you have Gaviscon? it's like a like heartburn medication they just throw it over the girl's face not even semen stop I swear at the beginning of the shoot they'll sit there they pour like this heartburn medication or something like goopy and they position it all perfectly and they do all the photos yeah because I was thinking like actually when you think about it now it makes sense because like who has like that much semen and also the positioning of it is always like perfect perfect Then they wipe it all off.

42:20Then they do like, then they'll do still shots. Then they'll plan out like you're going to be there doing doggy. It's just mental. It's a full production. Full production. Which I think is nice to hear. And I'm glad that you're kind of like breaking down that wall again. Because I know when I was like, I'm going to get a facial from this guy's penis. And he's going to go all over my face. And I remember the first time it happened, it went right in my eye. And I fully was like blackout. Like couldn't see, like was just like fucked for the rest of the week. And I'm like, wait, why does it look like this on porn?

42:48because it doesn't actually fucking happen. That doesn't happen like that.

43:07What, why are people, do you think, still shooting for porn sites if OnlyFans exists? We had this kind of, that was like a question that went throughout that film. and ultimately is that there is still a demand for high production value porn people still like it you know only fans i think is like your impersonating intimacy you know it's that intimate thing the back and forth the messages you know giving someone that like personalized experience whereas porn is much more you know a fantasy it's costumes it might be in a style that someone you know like they do the sci-fi shit and whatever like it's a different it's a completely different thing but aren't women in porn not making as much oh sorry you meant the actors no no that was actually oh yeah so a lot of them are doing both oh now but the thing is with the bigger porn stars they might have like really big contracts with like a brazzers or you know digital playground or something and they're like on really good money so it's and i think you know some of them have like no only fans policy you know if you like you have that contract I know obviously that the money you can earn is a lot more in the States than it is in you know the UK in terms of porn and stuff but yeah the bigger porn stars I think they stick to their like it's like a trade isn't it like you know they it's like there's a skill they've you know and they have they make really good money so they all they have to do is go and maybe shoot two films a week and get like the big check whereas what they'd have to do in OnlyFans to make the same would be way more laborious.

44:36In your episodes and through your experience like did you find any women struggling with knowing if they wanted to stay in porn or not um I met I met a girl who was um a girl Alex who was she'd done OnlyFans and she was wanting to move into porn um and she to me was someone who seemed really unsure it felt it filled me with a lot of anxiety after I met her actually and she um went and she did like uh I think like a handjob video whatever and she hated it and then she realized it wasn't for her and I was like thank god that you did that and not something else like so you could make that decision um i spoke to you the girls who are like regular porn stars like scarlet i spoke to like a lot of the really professional shoots they will have like a check sheet at the beginning so they'll be like they'll go through it the stars it'll be like anal tech or strangling she could be like no don't and they x and take everything that's like a yes or a no and then that's like the print like no one strays from that she said don't touch my arsehole so he can't or vice do you know what i mean that's but then she said she She'll go to shoots where they don't do the checklist and it's just a bit of a free-for-all.

45:42So I think there is risk involved. I think that's why OnlyFans as well is appealing to a lot of sex workers because it takes away that risk, doesn't it, of having to interact with other people. Absolutely. Yeah. Which episode was your favorite to create and why? I'm going to surprise everyone this, I think. But Cam Girls, I think, is my favorite episode. Purely just, it's a really hard one because it's like they love them all that's like my babies but cam girls the girls I met were just I really I don't know I just connected with them it was just so much heart and they were so open with me and it was such a diverse like kind of range of girls who like go to this studio do this job which is just so crazy to a lot of us like you know and then they go home and they're mothers or they've got other jobs and it's just like there's so much more than what people would pigeonhole them as and I just loved it I love being at the studio I love being with the girls what was the studio like just are they in a room by themselves it's like this big studio and it's like like section down all the way it's open right and each booth is like different colors or different themes and the girls are all in there on the phone and the webcam and so when you're on an evening while it's in there it's just a room of like sex noises dirty talk like all competing over each other but they say like they can hear each other a bit but it's not that loud but to me it was like how can you even think straight because it's like literally i'm talking like you know like when you go to a photo shoot and there's those polystyrene yes that's what's separating each thing and it was my head when i left that night was like spinning i was like just listening to everything the phone's ringing right i answer phones this guy and he's like panting down the phone i was like this is did you talk to someone yeah i was like giving him all the chat and then i just couldn't and i give us a little preview i was like hey baby are you horny and then i don't know why i'm doing an American accent.

47:37That's just what came out. I feel like if you're going to do a porn voice, it has to be American. Wait, really? Yes. Oh, yeah, I didn't think about that. That's so interesting. Because I just feel like most porn you watch is... Give me your best American. Hey, baby, are you horny? Do you want to fuck? Was that not it? Like, hey, daddy. Hey, daddy gang. Yeah, we're like getting so nasty. Like, daddy gang. That's really interesting, too. Did you find a lot of these women in the cam world were like friends? Or was it kind of like, do my work, get out of there? I think that's why I kind of got emotionally involved with that place because they were like, it's like a bit of a sorority vibe.

48:11Like they was all like, and what made me feel nice is that the thing which I think makes doing OnlyFans or coming from home really hard, if they got a call and some guy asked them to do some terrible thing, you know, if people call up and ask like disturbing things, like will you pretend to be like my sister or my mum and I'm going to rape you? It's just horrendous. horrendous and they have to like mentally like process the fact that that is an actual human being out there in the world having these thoughts they then have each other to lean on they can be like i just had this call and they all can relate whereas you know other girls who are doing only fans and maybe their other girlfriends aren't doing only fans if they bring their friend who works like as a dental hygienist i'm like someone just asked me to stick remote control up my ass like she's gonna be like can't relate like yeah like at work babe yeah well yeah gotta go to a I can't help you.

48:59Whereas I think for them, it's like being around other girls who are doing the same thing and they can all relate to each other. That's amazing. And I think it's just cool to hear that because I can imagine at times the OnlyFans world can be a bit isolating and lonely because the perks of shooting at home, sure, are great. But then being alone, you're like, what the fuck? And it's all about the numbers and it can be quite competitive, I think. Totally. And they're obsessing over, yeah. Totally. So you really immersed yourself in each of these episodes. was there ever a specific moment where you felt uncomfortable?