Paris Hilton: Sex Symbol, Slut Shaming & Sliving

0:29This is Paris. was Paris Hilton. You created that person to sort of get through. She literally gave me a career. My life has been so public. I've been talked about in such cruel and mean ways. I've been through hell and bad. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Paris Hilton and her husband got married in November of 2021. The birth of your son. And surprising the world with her second baby. And one of the highest paid DJs in the world. In her new self-titled memoir. In season two of her reality show Paris in Love. This is a whole new phase of my life. I just feel like a different person, transforming and just becoming a new person, growing in ways that I couldn't even imagine before.

1:32You guys know what's happening. Let's go, Daddy Gang. What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy.

1:50Paris Hilton, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. I am so happy we're finally doing this. It's long overdue. congratulations you just had a baby girl London how are you and Carter feeling we are just so happy I just feel like my life feels so complete she is so beautiful and it's just so cute to see Phoenix with his little sister and I've always wanted a daughter my whole life I've always wanted to have a little girl named London so the fact that she's here now is just everything you kept it a secret from the whole world and your family I'm curious like how the hell did you keep it a secret was there ever a moment where like the secret was almost blown no I'm very good at keeping secrets and I just feel like my life has been so public everything I've done has just always been so out there and I just really just didn't want any of that outside chatter I didn't want people discussing my children before they were here it was just I don't know I just wanted to have something for myself for once so did you it was just you and Carter that knew yeah just Carter and I no one knew like it was it was a fun like I don't know like secret to have with each other I guess okay well congratulations Paris you're an icon you were the queen of the 90s you're still the queen you're the original influencer like there's truly we could do a nine hour interview you're like bitch get the fuck out of my house but when I think about my audience I think about this like younger generation who obviously knows you but I feel like they know you through like certain iconic moments they see maybe in pictures but they don't know the backstory to things or they know you now obviously so I kind of want to take a little walk down memory lane okay here we you go do you ever google yourself yes I was googling you this morning and I'm like every trend I feel like that was like huge in the early 2000s you were starting like everything you were putting on people were going people were buying so I'm curious if you had to pick three top trends that were like they're your most iconic staples what would you pick from the 2000s definitely my 21st birthday dress the swarovski cover julian mcdonald dress that i've seen so many people recreate it where for their 21st birthdays or birthdays and that dress is just if i was a dress i would be that dress that for sure um i love the little like skirts i used to wear like the mini skirts should be the size of a belt because life's short take risks and the floor track suits that's why I came out with my own line all of these iconic things that you wore do you archive your stuff a lot of it yeah like you have like do you have any of like the razor flip phones left yes the sunglasses the sunglasses the sidekicks covered with Swarovski crystals holy shit will you ever let London use some of your archive is she gonna have to kind of like do her own thing I definitely have been saving pieces for her like throughout my life I've always kept things for one day for my daughter I don't want to wear some of the outfits for a little bit you don't too much what is one thing that you definitely are like I've I've saved this I want to give this to my daughter just like different pieces that I've got from like Dolce Gabbana Versace just like beautiful dresses that I know one day when she goes to prom she's gonna have like these epic dresses to wear I feel so bad for all the girls at that prom she's gonna be like oh my god she has arrived.

5:29I think about your social life back then. Okay. And like truly when you were younger, you were the like running the socialite scene. Obviously your last name holds a lot of weight, but like, how did you get into the scene? How did you get into these clubs? How did you become friends with these celebrities? Well, before I moved to New York, I was living in LA my whole life. And then I moved to New York when I was 16 and I had lived such a sheltered life before that. My parents were so strict. I wasn't allowed to go out. I wasn't allowed to go on dates. I couldn't go to school dances. So then I moved to New York.

6:01I'm living in the Waldorf Astoria. All of a sudden, my sister and I are getting invites to all these club openings, parties, premieres, these huge events. And we're getting sent all these designer clothes. And then we met Noah Tepperberg and then started going to all of his clubs almost every single night. And it all just happened that way. It's just kind of just me going out. Did you ever worry about like upsetting your family of like, I'm going to go the complete opposite way of what every maybe other heiress is doing of like acting proper and like being a good like Catholic girl? My mom was so strict, but I was just such a rebel.

6:39And I think because she was so strict, it made me rebel even more. And I think just being an Aquarius with my ADHD, I'm just like, I have a lot of energy and I just loved going out. Like I didn't care if my mom would be like, OK, you need to be home at midnight. I would figure out a way to like sneak out at night, put on a wig, like run down 30 flights of stairs at the Waldorf, sneak into like a cab, go downtown. I just had like this thing called clubitis where I was obsessed with clubbing. Also, I'm thinking about like you casually just like living in a hotel. Did that make it harder to sneak out or easier?

7:15Harder because my parents would tell the security. They tell the concierge, the front desk. Like everyone who worked at the hotel was like on the lookout for me. That's why I came up with all these disguises. I would take a Barbie doll, put it in my bed, have like the hair sticking out like with the pillows in case my mom checked on me at night. Like I just came up with like the sneakiest ways. So if my daughter London ever figures out any ways, like I know every trick in the book. Yeah, that's so true. I'm wondering, like, do you think you're going to take the same parenting style? Like, do you think you will be hard on her?

7:47Are you going to go like easy breezy like oh have fun at the club sweetie? I'm going to be I always was upset with my mom because she was so strict but now that I am a mom I can totally understand like I'm going to be so terrified when she becomes a teenager and wants to go on dates and wants to go out like just because I know how it is and just how men are and how people are so I don't want to be so strict where she rebels too so it's really a hard thing. Back then, I feel like wherever you went, paparazzi followed. And there is, I would say, arguably one of the most iconic photos to this day in history is a photo you just reposted on your Instagram.

8:31It is you, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan in a car. And I'm like, I think it lives rent free in every millennial's head. It's like it's been on T-shirts. It's been on coffee mugs like you name it. You've seen this photo. what were you guys doing that night like where were you guys going where were you just like fill us in on a little bit we were at the beverly hills hotel and one of the bungalows and britney and i were there and these guys were just being so annoying and we were just so bored so we went into the bathroom i was like all right we're just gonna like jump out this window and get out of here and so we locked the door jumped out the window and then started like sneaking out to the car just to because i hate like saying bye to people because then everyone's like oh why are you leaving and then it's like a whole half hour of having to say why you want to leave and I'm just the type that hates confrontation so we basically snuck out the window we were walking to the car and then all of a sudden just got blasted with all this paparazzi and then Lindsay came over and then we were all in the car together and dude I had no it was just like a normal night out like we weren't doing anything and the media the next day like made it out to be like this huge deal like vilifying us like we're bad people it's like we're just like running young girls like going out like everyone else does and running away from boys we're just like irish exiting from the beverly hills hotel it just happens to be britney spears lindsey lohan and paris hilton like no big fucking deal it's so cool and like i can imagine you it must feel so kind of cool to see like so many people still are obsessed with these big moments are you still close with these people?

10:11I was writing with Lindsay like two days ago. I invited her to this party. She's coming to LA in a few months. So we're going to make plans to see each other, the babies. And then I was talking with Brittany like three days ago as well. And we were planning a girl's night because she wants to come over and we just play dress up and hang out. We're just, it's really fun. It's cool to see like you're all in such different phases of your life. Now you guys have babies and to still be able to just like have fun and like catch up. I think it makes all of us in the world like we can sleep at night knowing the girls are thriving.

10:46Let's talk about another iconic person that is one of also the most famous people in the world, Miss Kim Kardashian. I'm looking at Google and I'm seeing you guys like walking in again, getting paparazzi together. And it's so crazy to see that like you guys were friends back then. How did you guys meet? we've known each other since we're little girls because our moms were best friends growing up our entire lives we both went to buckley with each other and then just became close like 2000 something when i moved to my house on king's road and a family friend of ours faye resnick was my interior designer i was moving everything from my one house to my other house and she's like kim is amazing she's so organized she's going to come and help you and then we just became best friends we had so much fun together started traveling all around the world and she was the like one who's very organized and I was the one who was very disorganized so we made like an amazing team and we just had the best time together it's just cool to see now like all of you again going in different directions like Kim what she's built what you have built it's just it's cool that you've like back in the day we're going and like drinking with these girls and partying and now everyone kind of has like built their own empires and I like love that for the girls.

12:03I love it just to see so many of my friends and so many women building their empires and their businesses and yeah just girls are taking over the world. They are. How did you navigate dating in your early 20s when so many eyeballs were on you? Like did you even enjoy yourself? It was hard to have any privacy because from the moment I left my house till I went to bed at night there was 50 cars waiting outside with paparazzi so I had no privacy whatsoever anytime I'd be at an event if I even spoke to a guy like all of a sudden the next day I would say that we were dating like there's just been so many things in the media of guys that I didn't even know I maybe met once and then the media would just make up all these stories and just being just having to trust someone because a lot of these guys wanted that attention so it was hard to figure out like who to actually trust yeah would you say you were the type of girl that was like a relationship girl or like a single girly like what were you up to I feel like I loved relationships like me being in love like that's my favorite thing but I also would get bored so easily so I think back then I didn't even know who I was and I didn't trust anyone so it was kind of just like I don't know and so many bad things would happen to me people would cheat on me humiliate me and then I would have not only be humiliated then publicly all around the world people would be talking about it so it was just really hard to let anyone in like I had such walls around my heart that I never truly let anyone in If I was to ask like your sister or your best friend, like what was it like dating Paris back then?

13:50What do you think they would say? Like what were you like in a relationship? I was I was very loyal. It was fun. We were going out every single night, too. So it's hard to really have a serious relationship when you're every night going to a club. Something's happening. And then a lot of times I would just be so over the person. But again, I hate confrontation. So to break up with them. So I would just ghost so many people. So I think that a lot of people would say that I was definitely like a heartbreaker and a ghoster. I love that you're like, I really didn't want to end relationships. So it's like, I'm just going to ghost them.

14:28And like, what would you just like, like not answer them ever again? Never answer them again, basically. Did you ever make sure that a guy couldn't get into a club? Yes. Yes. Yes. If anyone fucked with me, I would tell every single club, do not ever let him in. Like, I don't even care if I'm not even there. Just like totally blacklist them. Baller. Yeah. Like if you cheat, you basically can't go outside. Yes. Because like you won't be able to get into even restaurants. You started at the clubs and Paris is like, also restaurants in LA, restaurants in New York. Oh, wow. That's like some power that like I feel like all the ladies watching are like, I wish I had that power to be able to do that.

15:07Do you think you had a type during your 20s? Like if you could like, if all of them were in this room, was there a type happening over there, Paris? I don't know. I look back and like cringe at some of these people. I'm like, what the hell was I thinking? Why? What were they doing? It's just like beyond. Like, I don't know. I just look back at some people and they're just like not good guys. Isn't it the worst when you're like, why did I let them say forever that they dated me? Yes, I hate that. it's just not or some of the male models are just yeah interesting not the vibe um okay we got to talk about the simple life during this time in your life you get on a reality show and it's the simple life and it's with you and nicole ritchie and it premieres and like it was literally the biggest thing i remember like it had like 13 million views an episode on network television on Fox.

16:01Like it was unheard of how insane this show blew up. Do you ever rewatch the show? Yes. You do. All the time. Tell me all your thoughts. Wait, can you tell for anyone that's like younger that hasn't watched it? Can you give like the premise of this reality show? The Simple Life is basically about two best friends who go to these little small towns and took away our money, our credit cards, our cell phones. And we basically live the simple life. But we have so much fun together and constantly getting fired from every single job and just like going and just like having these crazy adventures. It's all across.

16:44Good. Middle America. It's so good. Tell me what you think when you rewatch it. I just laugh so much. I think that show is just so hilarious. Nicole's came over a couple times and we go into the movie theater room together at her house or here and just watch the episodes and just both just like laugh so hard that we're crying. Did you enjoy filming it? Yes. How much of the show was actually real? All of it. All of it. Especially the first season. They didn't let any of the camera people talk to us. Like if we'd be like, what do we do now? They're like, no, like no one was allowed to tell us any directions.

17:19Nothing. okay so the less like glamorous side was I remember you said I think it was in your book you said like the producers came to you and they were like play the dumb blonde like play it up like and I think what was so interesting is like that is then like it is kind of like how America then saw you it's like this like rich dumb blonde girl how did you handle the misconception of you back then when everyone thought you were actually this dumb well with the simple life yeah the producer said Nicole you be the troublemaker. Paris, you just be the dumb blonde and basically play into what, you know, people would assume that we were.

17:57And I would just put on that character. And I think because of what I went through when I was a teenager, it was almost like this mask or kind of like a protective shield in a way. And then when I would go and do interviews on like the late night shows and everything people expected me to continue being the character because it would be weird if all of a sudden I was just myself and then I just kind of got like stuck in that character almost and I don't know it was difficult sometimes for people to have so many misconceptions and assume that I was something that I wasn't yeah but I don't know I also just was like having a good time and laughing all the way to the bank at the same time so it was fine that's what I think is so fascinating is like I remember in middle school it was like cool if the girl was dumb like it was like hot if the girl's just like dumb yeah and I now look back at that and I'm like what I can see obviously what the producers were doing it was so brilliant but I think for your real life did you ever start to like resent that character not resent it but sometimes I would just be like these people have no idea but something I've always loved to do is prove people wrong yeah and I know that I've definitely done that now and people can see that I'm not a dumb blonde I'm just very good at pretending to be one I couldn't agree more I feel like in your documentary I feel like we got to really see like so many different sides to you and actually I think a lot of people were like oh my god like we had no idea this whole time like how smart this girl is how aware she is of this brand that she's built and I think I remember something people were so fascinated by was like when you kind of talked about like the two different like voices you will use and kind of like interchangeably like there's the high pitch and then there's the more like chill voice and I'm curious like how do you decide when to do which voice it's something that I've been doing for so long that I can't even like control it like when I get shy the voice will go up higher and then when I'm just like feeling a little bit or relax it's we're lower but sometimes I have to tell myself like Paris just talk in your normal voice but I just I don't know what it is it just I think just from so many years of doing it has just become a part of me like you did the high higher one for so long that I think that's why in the documentary it you were more in your like normal tone and I think that's why so many people were like yeah they were shocked what does your most like authentic version of you look like me just chilling and like my tracksuit with my socks no makeup hair pulled back puppies all over me and just being at home with my husband and my puppies and my babies I love the specificity of the socks yeah I love socks watch that be like the one thing that trends from this episode it's like I love socks.

21:02Socks are hot. Yeah. Okay. I do want to talk to you about one thing that I think is like was very like huge, sadly, in pop culture is like you have spoken about a lot of really like traumatic sexual experiences that you've had in your life. And I think so many women have been able to connect to you even more because of how open you decided to be especially in your documentary it was like it was incredible one of the things that I think was really like so public was when you were 19 and you had filmed a sex tape with your current partner at the time your boyfriend and then a few years later he decided to leak it without your permission and obviously the concept of like revenge porn is so huge nowadays of women struggling to like have any autonomy over their body essentially can you take me back to the moment when you found out that video had been leaked

22:22Can you take me back to the moment when you found out that video had been leaked? Like, where were you? Who were you with? How did you find out? That was one of the most painful experiences of my life. I was with my sister Nikki and we were in Australia and I got a call from someone on my team and they told me that one of the entertainment shows received a 30 second clip and I did not believe it. I was like, what? I'm like, that has to be fake. Like, there's no way. because I didn't even remember making it. And then they sent it to me and I just felt like my whole world was ending. I was in hysterics crying.

23:04I didn't know what to do. I didn't even want to fly back home to L.A. because I knew as soon as I landed there would be so many paparazzi and reporters waiting. And I kept changing my flight and just staying in Australia with my sister. I didn't know what to do. they wanted me to go back to LA because the simple life was about to come out I was supposed to go on a press tour for that I was like there's no way I'm doing that I canceled everything and then just going back home I just didn't want to leave my house I was so depressed I was so humiliated I felt like I had let down my family my little brothers my sister like it was just I put so much shame on myself and now being an adult and looking back I just realized that shame should not have been on me I was a teenage girl someone who I loved and was with in a relationship and who I trusted this was pre-internet pre-social media I had no he promised me no one would ever see it and it was just one of the most traumatic things I've ever experienced and looking back now today that would all be illegal and people were so vicious and so mean and just the whole world watching it laughing about it every late night host just talking about it making jokes and it's something that will haunt me for the rest of my life just one night with someone who I loved and trusted.

24:37I'm curious, like in the moment, because I what's so frustrating about sex tapes is what you're doing is what everyone does. You're having sex. You decide to film it. But can you take me to like where how did you feel about it when it was being filmed? We had been together a while and he was pressuring me and be like, oh, let's do a tape. And I was like, no, I don't want to. And then he was like, oh, hey, fine. If you won't do it, I'll just call someone else and kind of like threatened me in a way like okay if you won't do it then someone else is going to come here and do it and I was just so dumb and so like young and naive that I gave into it because I was scared that he would have someone else come over but now looking back if I someone would say that to me now I'd be like fuck you like I never want to fucking look at you again so it just makes me I don't know sad for myself that I let someone manipulate me like that and now for the rest of my life people are going to judge me on that and assume that I'm like a slut because of one night with someone that's what's really fucked up and I feel like I've every time any woman is like exploited in media I feel like it takes so many years for people to have the conversation about like the slut shaming that you endured like can you talk a little bit about like how you handled like everyone was like you I remember you wrote in your book I wrote it down the world thinks of me as a sex symbol and I'm here for that because symbol literally means icon but when people saw that sex tape they didn't say icon they said slut and they said whore like when you look back and now even having like a daughter on like yourself like how do you think that should have been handled I think that they should have looked at it in a way like this is a teenage girl like we shouldn't even be talking about this like this person should be in jail and the fact that people were just so mean and like thinking it's funny like it was just it was disgusting just to have to see just what I don't know just misogynistic people people just being so judgmental and I don't know everyone vilifying me and then celebrating him like it was just and then for people to think that I was in on it as well that was the the part that pissed me off the most where people thought that I was involved in this because that was the last thing that I would ever want in my life like I always looked up to all these amazing women and I felt like when he did that to me he took all that away from me and I could have never been the person who I wanted to be yeah I feel like something about being this like yeah sex symbol this like hot woman that everyone looked at in not even just America the world like I'm curious like how you felt about yourself and your sexuality behind the scenes while everyone else was like getting off to you watching your sex tape talking about your body your looks like how did you feel it just made me scared about anything that had to do with sex like after that I was so closed off I didn't want to hook up with anyone because I was just nervous like I would date people but I would only kiss them because I would just be nervous to do anything else and then the whole world is assuming oh she's a sex symbol but deep down inside like I didn't even want to let anyone do anything to me but everyone because of that tape assumed that I was like doing that every night with people right yeah that's something that I remember I struggled at the beginning of my show was like I remember I went through like a really weird period with sex because I felt like I like was speaking about it so openly that then when I met guys they thought like oh she must be like doing some crazy shit in the bedroom and it's like sure if if I love you and we're like having a great intimate bond but like it there was almost like a pressure I started to feel like I was putting on myself and I'm curious like reclaiming your own sexuality like how did you handle connecting with a man it took me a while just like people even gave me the nickname of Miss Blue Baller and that's what people would call me because I wouldn't do anything but then in the public people assume something else and then I kind of just I don't know played into the character and like doing the Carl's Jr.

29:17commercial doing all these really sexy shoots so kind of like exuding and like showing this kind of sex symbol vibe but deep inside I didn't feel that way at all yeah it's so weird like men will never understand it's like you there's a way to like yes progress in the world through your looks and through like in moments like playing the game but then it also doesn't like negate the fact that like you are a human being and like you are going home at night feeling so over sexualized and it's just like there's it's a hard like dichotomy of like wanting to be seen for who you are but also recognizing we still live in a man's world so you're gonna play the fucking game in some moments and I think the sex tape thing I I agree with you I think it was like it's the perfect example of like how wrong the world is with like why was it all about you and how much of a slut and a whore you were that what you had sex with your boyfriend it's like why is he not like a predator at this point for like putting something out like that and I think it I don't know I just get frustrated when like the narrative is still so skewed like we still see it to this day if something comes out about a woman you're not being like well who put it out well the man did it's all on the woman so I appreciate you sharing that because I just think it's like important to like you are now a mother and like you have built this empire and I do think it's important sometimes to talk about these things because it reminds people like something from your past that felt like the end of the world in that moment like it does not define you I appreciate you talking about it because I know it's it's a lot thank god it's a different time like I feel like there's just been there's a lot of work to do but I think there's been a lot of progress and also like I think it's really amazing that you're so open about talking about things because that I don't know when I listen to your podcast that's why I was scared to do your podcast because I'm like oh my god I'm so not used to talking about sex and things and but you I think it's amazing how you use your voice and you really inspire others to just be open about who they are thank you okay we're gonna play a little rapid fire okay what is a recent purchase that you spent too much money on don't lie to me at chanel in paris during fashion week but it actually wasn't my money my husband is so sweet he's like I want you to have like a pretty woman moment.

31:41I was going on a sister trip to Paris, my little sister, and for her birthday. So he's like, here's my credit card. Go and spend whatever you want. And it was our 46-month-iversary. So it was just so sweet because no guy has ever done that to me and said like, here's my card. Like go and Chanel and buy whatever you want. So I guess that wasn't me, but. What did you buy? Everything. I bought these shoes so much jewelry so many purses sunglasses just like it was so much fun I love you you're like uh like I didn't even I love how my question is what did you spend you're like and it wasn't even my money ladies that is the way to do it take his card thank you daddy have you ever been like the one that was like having to buy boyfriend shit like were you always the one that was like the breadwinner a couple people those models man

32:40I feel like it's it's just not attractive I just I don't know right like get your own credit card yeah it's beyond like there's been some people I just like lose all respect for them and then you're just like their total boss and you're just like I can't even look at you anymore do you have that a lot where people like actually like ask you for things or money yes how do you navigate that i hate saying no to people so i sometimes i just give it or i ghost them paris i was literally gonna say are you ghosting the people it's like an aunt that's like paris can i have this just ghost no if it's someone who's like i feel bad for them and like they're like a nice person but then there's other people who are just greedy who don't want to work and they're just like ghost yeah ghost okay what is a guaranteed way to give you the ick that weedy bitch that and when people are really like sweaty and they come up and they want to give you a kiss on the cheek or they it's like the european way and they go like twice or in some countries that's three so it's like sweaty so i'm just like like you know you have sweat on your face why are you doing this to me and that happens a lot and like you have what I can say is like afterwards I'm like I need whoever like whatever skincare you're up to over there you don't need any sweaty lips but like I like need all your can you tell us your skincare routine well it's my skincare line right and I'm just obsessed with anything to do with skincare my mom taught me all about it when I was eight years old so just using the serums and the eye creams and now with all this tech I built this living spa downstairs i'll show you it after it's like this full-on spa that has all this like equipment you'd see like in like a medical place with like huge machines and like hyperbaric chamber cryotherapy machine like hydrafacial like these like lasers and things that like tighten your skin i've never done any botox i've never done a filler i'm a 100 % natural wait so do you go down there like every morning you're like bye carter grab your coffee and be like four hours let's get into it i do it on the weekends but then like during the week sometimes if i'm doing calls or emails or things like that i can just like kind of lay in one of these things and kind of just multitask i'm such a multitasker do you ever do zoom calls from like the chamber yes the chamber is amazing it looks like a spaceship it can fit four people do you think that your friends really truly love you or are they just coming for the spa aspects because i'm like paris what are you doing this yes wow okay that's amazing that's like goals okay um what is your biggest insecurity just how shy i am i get especially like being out i'm get so socially awkward and ever since like the pandemic it's like gotten worse where I'm just so shy and I wish that I wasn't that way like why because you think people would expect something different when they meet you I don't know I just get really just weird I don't know I'm just very shy when it comes to speaking with people and meeting new people and sometimes I just get so overwhelmed so many people coming up so I wish that I was more confident in that way where I wouldn't feel so shy or like my cheeks get so red and I hate that you're doing great sweetie thanks you're doing great today when was the last time you cried last night what happened that was a good cry I was on the plane and I just posted a video on TikTok of my little baby and just reading the comments as people are so sweet and just showing him so much love and just the things that they're saying to me just touch me so much and it just makes me cry yeah we cry like every day reading people's messages and just reading people's messages saying like you inspire me thank you for what you've done using your voice and just girls and people who have been through the same thing as me and just hearing just how I touch people like that just touches me so much I'm such a sensitive person that just reminded me like I feel like you're someone that doesn't address drama like you're kind of like don't care don't give a fuck and I can I ask you kind of about like your decision recently there were people being like absolutely disgusting and awful online about your son and you spoke up about it like how did you decide to say something I feel like my mama their instincts came out like you could say what you want about me but this is my little innocent angel an infant and the fact that there's people that are that sick in the head that they're gonna go and talk like that about a little baby was just so wrong and just so hurtful and I actually just wrote back a comment on TikTok to someone and then the press took that and then yeah said that I made a statement but then after someone asked me and then I just said how I felt yeah because I just don't think it's right and I think it's just so cruel that people would be mean about a little baby it's like disturbing how like casual people think it is to just like leave comments that are so nasty on people's pages as if it won't affect you and I think sometimes especially if you have a lot of followers people feel like you don't see it but here you are sitting being like I love my fans I read so many of their comments I am crying on the plane because they're being so sweet so obviously you're going to see the mean ones and I agree I think when especially when it's not about you it's like it's your platform you know people are gonna like come at you but when it's about a baby you're like what the fuck is wrong with you like serious issues what is something people would be surprised to find in your home that they wouldn't expect the big alpaca and you walk in wait what it's not real it's kim and chris and chloe when phoenix was born delivered this like huge alpaca that is like seven feet tall it's the cutest thing in the world so I have it in the front entrance next to my big like this big giraffe that has like a chandelier coming out of it oh my god that's really cute I'll show you do you have like a specific like love for alpacas or it was just like a random I love alpacas okay and so they knew that and so they're like here you go wow I will say I did your photos around your house are fabulous but like there's so many photos of you around this house that I was like I wanted to like take a picture of everything I'm like you look amazing in all of them is Carter like can we throw one up of me he has one of me and him there's a painting I got for one of our anniversary or month-iversaries and it's like the picture of our first not our first kiss but our first public kiss at this Christmas party we've been dating a month yeah and we were just like making out and then Paris Jackson was like can I have your phone and took like a bunch of pictures of us that are so cute because it was like our first like pictures because we were only dating like a few weeks so it's not like I'm gonna like ask him to take pictures right and she took them and those are pictures I'll always cherish so I had them painted that is so sweet wait did you own this house before Carter you and your relationship no I was living at my other house oh well so you moved in here and you said carter back up all the photos are going to be of me you just relax he loves it he's so sweet that is really sweet actually is way better than the guy being like i want mine up there you're like oh my god if there was a guy who had pictures like this like i do everywhere i would you were so beyond if you had ended up with the model yeah exactly what is the craziest rumor you've ever heard about yourself there's lots of those as well one of the craziest people once said that I was dating Michael Jackson oh which was just the most random rumor ever so I've known him my entire life my mom and him were best friends growing up since they were 13 so he was like part of my family and then I don't know how it came out like one article wrote one day that we were dating and that was just such a random thing because he was like my uncle.

41:03So I was like, what? That is probably, I don't know if I'll ever be able to ask someone that question and get on the show and get a more iconic answer than, oh, the fact that everyone thought I was dating Michael Jackson. Okay. I think it's so, so adorable that you are married to Carter, but you guys have known each other for 15 years and you didn't start dating until 2019. Yes. Talk to me about that day. Like what made you change your mind? I wasn't even looking to date anyone. I was single for a year at this point. I went home to the Hamptons for Thanksgiving. And then my mom said, oh, I'm going to go to my friend's house for lunch.

41:43Do you want to come with me? And I was like, OK. And I walk in and I see like this guy sitting there and he's like the biggest smile. And then he was just so sweet. He was with his mom and he was just like just so attentive with her. And I feel like you can tell a lot about a man by the way he treats his mom. Because you know that he'll be a great husband and father one day. And he was just so different from everyone else. Like, he was just, like, this sweet, cute nerd. And just so, I don't know, I was just, like, getting all, like, nervous and shy. And we had lunch together that day. And then we came back that night for Thanksgiving dinner.

42:21And I was just, like, thinking about him all day. like googling him like looking him up and then seeing like he was like this brilliant businessman and like he was someone I'd known for so long but I feel like timing is everything and I was not ready for a nice guy back then because I didn't even know who I was at this point and this was right before my documentary was about to come out so I was on this whole like journey of self-discovery and like learning who I was and then that night I was having dinner and I was like let's go outside we went outside and I just went for it and just like started making out with him like against the tennis court like chain link fence and ever since that night that was like it we've never spent a night apart after that it was like damn it was hot I love also that you're saying like he wasn't like you're like what you normally went for like can you give girls advice listening of like they're stuck in their ways they have this one type they think it's their type like why should we sometimes venture out and go something for something different I'm just so happy I went for someone different because someone who's not in the scene not in the industry he doesn't care about fame doesn't care about any of that he's a total opposite of anyone that I've ever been with and I feel like if you're dating the same type of guy and it's not working out maybe it's good to try something else yeah because you never know and now I've never been happier I just feel like I found my my person my other half my home I feel just so at peace before I was just always just like wanting something else and like always looking just like what else was out there and I never was settled down and with him it's like I just I know that we were meant to be like I feel like my grandma and his dad are in heaven and they like talked and were like we need to like hook these two up like something like I feel like it's really fate it's amazing how long did it take you for him to like to show him like the real Paris we I had never like really shown myself to anyone so it it was just like he came over the next night and we had a date at my house and he's like I want to get to know the real Paris Hilton and I was just so shy and you're like no I drank like a bottle of rosé and then I was able to like be more comfortable with him and then we just started getting closer and closer but it was yeah it was like the first time I had really done that I don't know I was like amazing you kind of like I guess that's kind of what yeah like how you would know is like you kind of just went right into it and knew as opposed to like you could be talking to someone for years and you've never shown them like the fact that it was kind of like the next night you're like all right let's start like that's amazing what qualities does he bring out in you that you now like about yourself that you maybe didn't get to like like exude when you were in other relationships just he makes me feel just so safe I think before I was always just on edge I was always like oh my god this person's gonna do this they're gonna cheat on me they're gonna do that and with him I just know that's not gonna happen so he just makes me feel like calm like I could be myself like he lifts me up in so many ways and supports me in everything that I want to do and he's also just he's so organized and like so smart and then he just helps me be my best version of myself like like I've never felt just like happier more fulfilled with my business with my personal life with just everything like we're custom made for each other when you were saying that that you feel so safe I was like where did I see this that didn't you have like a macbook for every single boyfriend you had yes can you explain this logic every single boyfriend you had in your life you would get a different macbook for that period of your life yes explain this was because before my boyfriends would get so controlling and so psychotic they'd be like I need to look through your eye your iCloud or iPhoto thing and like wanted to look through the albums and everything and if there was any picture of an ex or a guy they would like start erasing it screaming going crazy throwing the computer at me hitting me like it was terrifying like I dated so many assholes and really abusive people so I just had like trauma so I was like I need to get a new computer every time because they're gonna go into it and I didn't want to erase all my memories yeah I think that's fucked up when people make you erase shit it's like okay hey, we all had a past.

47:15It's okay. It's like memories are good. What is a mom skill you have that people would be surprised to know about you? That you're like finding yourself like now in motherhood. You're like, ooh, I kind of have this down or I'm good at this or I like this about myself. I'm good at bedtime lullabies. Just like I can put him to sleep so easily just by just holding him and singing Stars Are Blind. Give me a little something right now. Go ahead. I'm going to close my eyes. I'm so shy. I can't even do it in front of you. Stop.

47:56What if I don't look at you? Let's sing it together. I'm too shy. Okay. Okay. I can envision it. I heard like a little like, even. Oh my God. That was actually good. I did it yesterday. him honestly as long as it's putting him to bed you're good okay last question obviously your fans are so obsessed with you they will follow you to the end of the earth what can they expect next i know you just referenced the book but like tell me everything about everything what are you doing what can they expect well the book is going to be turning into a tv series with a24 and the fanning sisters producing it with me this is like what we've all been waiting for is like we need to watch this on television and like you knew that but you had to wait for the right moment this is that is amazing oh my god I'm gonna be glued to the tv that is so so exciting and so you're gonna be helping produce yes so we're just getting the writers right now and I'm just so excited for this project and my new album I've been in the studio I've Sia executive producing my full album so that she's gonna be here tonight I love her so much she's most brilliant songwriter of our time I'm so honored to be working with her Megan Trainor has written me so many epic songs the album is so sick here to save pop music Paris I can't thank you enough for coming on it was like truly well overdue everyone is going to be obsessed and just thank you for giving me your time and I'm just so happy that we got to do this thank you honey thank you thank you