Sonja & Luann: Pirates, Palm Beach & Picking Up Men

24:54I will not bring my men around anymore because they cannot be trusted around the girls. Hold on. Pause. Luann, so do you disagree that Sonia will maybe flirt with your man? Well, you know, I don't have a problem with flirting. I have a problem with putting one's hands up on your boyfriend's shirt. What was going through your head in that moment? Rightly so, right? I mean, I'm not the jealous type. But I was like, okay, this has gone too far. I was kidding around. Now I had to pull him out by his belt. I was kidding around. Luann said to dance with Michael. Ramona got up first, and then I joined her.

25:27I said, go ahead, dance with Michael. And we were both bumping him from the side and having fun. And then I thought I'd show off his belly. Why not? Just why not? Well, he's got a great body, that's for sure. Oh, does he have a nice body? Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, you know, I'm not into good looking guys. Like your husband's way too good looking. Not interested. So, yeah. I like really, really. He likes it bald and chubby. If I'm getting, if I'm going to get nude, I like him a little bit more, you know, my speed. Okay, so you like a little bald, little belly, little. She likes to be the pretty one.

26:00Passionate. Okay. Generous, caring. I see. So like personality on 10, looks. Don't care. Now, okay, why are you not bringing your men around the girls anymore? That's a good question. Because I don't want to see them showing up every time. Everywhere I go, it's the pirate. It's Harry. It's, you know, Tom. And I'm just like, I'm not bringing them around. Let's not make this about Tom, okay? I really don't want to see them in my friend group after I'm done. Okay, so you're feeling like maybe the girls keep the guys around. Recirculating. And you're not interested. How do you feel about that, Luann?

26:36Well, you know, we do get to see Harry around this season of the show, right? In the beginning. He's everywhere. At this point, he's a friend. Do you know what I mean? He's like another housewife at this point. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he loves to be on the show. No, but he's still interested in me and his family adores me. But I'm not interested in a man that wants to be on the show or date my girlfriends. Does it freak you out if a guy is really interested in your career on television? It's never been my thing. Remember Jacques was always great on the show. Jacques. Oh, Jacques. And Michael is just, he's great because he's comfortable with who he is.

27:12And he's a real man. So he's there to support me. He's not there to steal the camera. In fact, he always says that I'm here to let you shine. Men that want the spotlight kind of freak me out. That's like a little freak. No, he doesn't care about that. He's there to support me. And the guys I like are very kind of grumpy. They're like, oh, you're talking to me kind of guys. You know, my ex I'm thinking of and other boyfriends. I like a guy that is more discreet, quiet, hides himself away, has a very solid, stable family lifestyle. And a big peepee. And not looking. Oh, no, I don't need big. Private plane, darling.

27:46Private plane. Oh, private plane. Not the peepee we all thought of. Right. I'm not interested in private planes or yachts or private islands anymore. I'm not going to try to replicate what I had. Sonia. Had it, over it. So you had it and now you're like, if they have one, is that a no-no for you? Depends on the guy. If money is his God, no. If, you know, my ex-husband didn't care about all that. If you're his goddess. What if he has a yacht? If he has a yacht. We got the yacht? If he has a yacht. Get it from me at least. Because he looks at it as a place to have family and entertain. Okay. But if, you know, the problem when you have a yacht, you really can't afford to take it out with just two people.

28:28You're going to see a lot of yacht parties on the show, you know, which we're excited about. We're doing a lot of really fun things on the show. And let me tell you, some things just never change. Like our relationships are still like, you know, all over the place. But as we're friends, you know, we're tight and we get through it. And I think that's, you know, hopefully inspirational for everyone out there. Like if you have a real friendship that you should stick to and work through it. I think that's why we also, aside from your guys' amazing personalities, your relationships, it's beautiful because it's like we're looking at women who I think there's so many interesting things.

29:10Obviously, we can always talk about on podcasts of dating and what's going on. But female friendships are so beautiful. And the fact that you guys have been through ups and downs with this entire cast and you still come back together is really beautiful. Now, I know Bethany isn't filming on the show. Right. Do you guys keep in touch with her? What's the vibe? Well, Sonia has been in touch with her more than I have. I mean, we will always have that Housewives history. Do you know what I mean? It's not like we see each other, but that history will always be there. And, you know, I only wish her the best.

29:41And Sonia, I think, did something with her. In Paris. Yeah. But I so I can tell you this story, which is very interesting. I was in Palm Beach. I never run into Ramona. I never run into Bethany. So I'm at bingo. Oh, at the hotel. At the colony. Do you frequent bingo often? Yes, bingo in church every week. So I'm facing the bar. So people in the room don't know it's me because I'm very, you know, reclusive. And Ramona has her table and she's wearing all her fabulous palm leaves and jewelry and diamonds and all that. And all of a sudden I see Bethany. unplanned. Oh, really? Was it unplanned? I'll get to you.

30:18She knows where they go. Give me a second. I think Alex wants to hear this. So we're at this place unplanned. She walks up to me and she goes, did you know Ramona's here? And I'm like, no. Because she's so spontaneous, Bethany, isn't she? Hold on. I need to tell this to Alex. So she got very emotional. So did I, so did Ramona, because when you don't have cameras on you and you're not trying to put out 22 two episodes under the pressure. You just love each other. We always love each other. The thing about us is we're very unfiltered. We do love each other and we accept each other the way we are after we get over the pain of what came out of our mouths.

30:56I think she had it all planned. No, not at all. You think that Bethany wanted to see... No, no, no. She just happened to be the way... By chance. The woman never goes to Palm Beach community. How would she know I was going to be there? I didn't tell her. Ramona didn't tell... about going to bingo? No. I'm going to say yes. No, nothing. What do you think she wanted out of it, Luann? I think she wanted out of it to kind of, I don't know, do a little intel as to what's going on with us and take the girls away from the show possibly because they had to leave the show during filming to go on this trip.

31:27That wasn't planned. Here's what happened. So we ran into each other there. And I just think the universe is wild like that. Why were we in the same place in the universe right there in that spot. One room. Within one room. So you're skeptical. You feel like it was fate. No, everyone knows I don't tell stories. We really ran into each other. And so what happens is she was already planning to take us for Rock, this huge multi-million dollar campaign for skincare. And I'm like, Paris? Didn't ask me. When would you ever think that me, Ramona, and Bethany, these loud Americans on reality TV would be invited to Paris to do a French skincare line.

32:11It's very chic. But I always say hardly any Parisians live in Paris anymore.

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35:00But also so nice to be calm, cool and collected around a woman. It's just, it's a good vibe. So daddy gang, if you haven't used it yet, Uber's new women preferences feature is available now in the Uber app. Learn more on the Uber app. One of the most infamous moments from Roni was the scary island trip in St. John. Now, I want to just have, Sonia, why don't you walk us through what do you remember that happened at that dinner? Like, set the scene for us. Take us back for a second. So first of all, that was my first season. I had no idea what the show was about. Never watched it. And I see Kelly spiraling and I see the girls like digging and digging and pushing i'm like okay this has to stop i couldn't believe it personally so that's the first time i spent the night in the same room as ramona and we'd done it every trip since because i only had one umbrella to wedge the door i was afraid kelly was going to come and be like like she was really so i said ramona psycho killer exactly so you thought she was going to come in in the middle of the night yes so if you and ramona were together you'd be safe so i wedge my umbrella her umbrella on the sliding doors and we slept like babies.

36:15When we woke up, Kelly was gone. She walked the plank. Now, obviously you guys are no strangers to girls trips. For you, when you look back at all of the girls trips you've been on, what do you think was the most disastrous for you personally? Oh, Cartagena. Yeah, we almost died. Cartagena. We almost died on that boat. And then we all had, you know, we had to wear diapers. Sonia had to wear diapers. I mean, I should have worn diapers. Still working on that diaper deal. Yeah, you should get a diaper deal. I know. It depends. Okay, so on this season of Ultimate Girls Trip, Kyle Richards said that the Beverly Hills women don't have gastro issues, but the New York women do, obviously referencing Cartagena.

36:56Do you guys want to take a minute to clear your names? How do you feel about it? How do you feel for being known for that now? What do we think? Well, you know, listen, it happens to everyone, right? You go and have a bad piece of fish. And you know what the crazy part is? is that we all got really ill. I mean, we had to go get treated for parasites. It was really bad. It wasn't just about the diarrhea. It was about parasites. And it's so funny because the only one that didn't get sick was Bethany because she doesn't eat seafood or shellfish. So the bitch is the only one that didn't get sick. How crazy is that?

37:30Oh my God. No, you guys with your diapers. She was on the plane with her diapers. I went through every pair of underwear, every bathing suit bottom. your bed had to be burned oh i went through two twin beds that's right she started on one side and moved to the other i also slid and ramona's pooping on the floor i mean yeah i slid right through it let's let's go through some girl trips do's and don'ts i want your opinions okay all right booking daily group tours and scheduled activities how do we feel about it if you're on a girl's trip. Not me. I'm more spontaneous than that. Although I do like somebody who likes to organize that kind of stuff.

38:11Okay. I mean, I love a friend that's really organized and I just kind of have to follow along. You're just not going to be that friend. Yes. Okay. I like somebody to plan it. And Sonia, why are you like, not me? We don't do that. We show up and we entertain. Okay, perfect. Okay. We bring the party. Now, what about assigning sleeping arrangements ahead of time? We don't do that either. It usually comes down to So straws are some sort of a game. And, you know, so we can keep Ramona from running to the best room first. That's what I was going to say. Like, how do you decide who gets the nicest room?

38:41Well, we share Ramona night. So we get the biggest room and I get a tub. I like a bathtub. Okay. Are you taking a bath every night? Every night. Every morning? Nope. Every night. Every night. Okay. I love a bath. I think it's important. How do you feel if you had to bunk up with someone other than Ramona? I don't mind staying at Luanne's home. She takes great care of me and it's very peaceful, very European style. but I mean sometimes when I stay at Ramona's I get annoyed with that music she blasts it every morning bam okay so how do you feel about if one of the women stays in on a night where the group is going out they don't like it I would love to do that I don't have FOMO I have no fear of missing out I'm happy to stay home and rest in between is there ever an instance where it's acceptable with the group like if you're like I gotta stay home because of no they don't like it even if you're shitting yourself well They really like you to show up to their events and support.

39:34You got to be there. I feel like, what do you need me for? You have everybody else. We love you, Sonia. Okay, how do we feel about bringing a guy back to the shared house? I flew in that one. Well, I mean, listen, that famous story. Be cool. Be cool. Don't be like, oh, I'm cool. Okay. And it was because, you know, Ramona and I were single. Sonia, I don't know where you were that night. But we went out and we brought the guys back to the house. You know the whole story. So I feel like we're grown women, right? If we want to bring somebody that we like back to the house into our room, then why not?

40:10Do we feel like we have to ask permission or what do we think is the boundary? Oh, yeah. I'm going to wake up, you know, Sonia at two o 'clock in the morning. Hey, do you mind if I bring a guy into my bed? She'd be like, what? Are you kidding? Can I come? I think that at that point, a late evening, you're just trying to close the deal. asking for a threesome right there she's like do are you is this your way of saying should i get up so and how do we feel about the morning after we're in a house with all the women are we immediately getting the man out of there is he staying for brunch like no not the back door back door yeah i like him after 11 and out by seven personally wait say that again after 11 out by seven okay that's kind of that's a good rule yeah it's a night shift in the morning it's And do you stay in bed and just say leave or do you walk him out?

41:00What are we doing? One more little snuggle and then you can go. Because, you know, morning is always good. I like the walkout. I think it's very chic. Classy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. And then that's all you're getting is the morning. How do you feel? It's the only time we can get it up. It's the morning sunrise. Sonia, you have once called a walk of shame a victory lap. Can you kind of paint the picture for me? What comes to mind for some of your best victory laps? Like the morning after? Tell me. Well, I only, I mean, I said that because when I came on the show at first, I was the only one dating young guys.

41:38I was the only one going naked. The only one getting drunk and falling down. What do you mean? I was like the first to do all of that. What about Jacques? He was younger, guys. Yeah, come on. What about Jacques? No, my daughter told me, Mom. At least legal. No, at a certain point, Quincy said, You have to give up hot pants and you have to give up dating this young hockey player. And I was like, all right, I'm not giving up the hot pants. But I did give up the guy. Okay. So Quincy was like, mom, he's old enough that I could date him. Exactly. Oh, my God. Do you think you and Quincy are ever going to argue over a guy?

42:09Never. Never. But did she like the hockey player? No. No. Why did she want you to get rid of the hockey player? All my friends loved him. Did she meet the hockey player? She did not. She just heard about him. Well, she knew he was there. you could tell but she was over the hockey player she didn't want you with the hockey player she just didn't want me dating young guys at that point he was sticking around for a while for years and years so what kind of hockey player like professional like New York Ranger Sonia you dumb and all the boys met him because we went out several times you know with the boys with him it's a good cover did you ever go to some games well they have a great hockey stick yeah they I love that for you oh my god you're like a wag he was so smart very well educated and very elegant nice family and a great player.

42:52Can we revisit the pirate for a second? Sure. Just to give everyone just like a little tingle, a little happiness, a little fun. Look at Sonya's face. She's like, this is not fun. Okay. Luann, when you brought the pirate back to the house on that girl's trip in St. Bart's, like what was it about the pirate that just like got you good? Well, you know, first of all, I thought he was hot. Second of all, I was already dating Jacques at the time. Yes, you were. So I brought him back because we had a little marijuana. Okay. And he'd never been to that house. And that house was like$100 ,000 a week to rent.

43:33And he'd never been to that house. So what I didn't know is we got back to the house with one of the drivers from production, which I thought was a random driver. So the production person put in the girl's ears, asked Luann how she got home. Because they were all sleeping, right, Sonny? She was sleeping. She had no idea. But she got news in the morning how I got home. Now, he left. I told him to leave at like 3 o 'clock in the morning because I have to film tomorrow, et cetera, because I was in love with Jacques. So I never, okay, and he's been on Andy's show at this point. Did you see him on Andy Cohen's show?

44:02Well, let me tell you my side. Oh, Andy Cohen's show. So my little white lie turned into a snowball effect, right, by saying that. Tiger never changes its stretch. Oh, stop it. Just the age spot. That's what she said on the phone to her girlfriend. Leopard, leopard. What is your version? So my version is my girlfriend that owns the Lati St. Bart's, she's hooked me up a couple of times with her exes because she brings them over from Paris. So she says, I said to her, I'm having a party. Who? Your friend? Carol. Oh, Carol. T. St. Bart's. It's not me. So she introduced me to a couple of guys, and I got them to New York.

44:36They work there. They have restaurants now. So she says, I want you to meet this guy. He's totally matriculated, and it's time for him to leave the nest. And I said, okay. So when he gets to the house, I invited him over. So he's my date. and I say to him on camera, I go, now you sure? Yes, I invited him. And that's how we got there. Where did you think he came from? The sky? Come on. Obviously he came from Sonia's, you know, I am the curator of. From the repertoire. You know what? You got the man. So he comes and the last thing I remember saying to him as I was turning the clock, are you sure you're over Carol?

45:08Because I was just teasing him to see if he really wanted to be there. And then the door closed. And I went this way and then he went that way and then the next thing I know, he's at the lower bungalow. Not in the fish room, not in the basement of Vermont. The lower bungalow. So to confirm, both of you, neither of you, or one of you slept with the pirate. Oh, I slept with the pirate. That was my day. If I did, I would wear like a badge of honor. And this way she didn't get sloppy seconds. So everyone thought you slept with the pirate. Well, he thought he did too because he called me from St. Barts and he goes, I'm coming to New York and I'm taking acting lessons and I'm going to talk about Luann.

45:45and I go, oh, would Tom Cruise do that? If you're going to be an actor, be an actor. If you're going to sleep with someone, sleep with the producer. So do we want to have sex with him while he's in his pirate gear? Only. Only. It was a moment. After that, it was never the same. Right? You saw him afterwards. He's unrecognizable. He now lives in Miami. Doesn't wear eye makeup. He has very short hair. And if you see him walking down the street, you'd never recognize him. and Andy Cohen brought him up from New York to confirm like what happened he goes I never slept with Luann but after my tutelage so you liked him in his pirate outfit and nothing more nothing less if I had met him like I did and did what I did I would have continued to see him here and there in New York but after I found out that he came home with Luann and was smoking a joint you're done done no you slept in the next night yeah but I didn't continue to see him in New York he was calling me to come to New York I'm sure he was.

46:40I'm sure he was. No, I wasn't interested after that. So we – Where do we go after the pirate? Do we like when – do we like to dress up in the bedroom? Dress up in the bedroom. I kind of look better without my clothes on. Yeah, exactly. Like Michael's like, why bother with an idea? Are we doing a little lingerie? I like lingerie. Me too. You famously said, Sonia, there's three things for the bidet. There's washing the lingerie. There's ice in your face. And then the obvious. Are we still doing bidet laundry? Yes. I like to use a bidet for those reasons. Okay. But it's always spick and span clean.

47:18You know, as clean as a kitchen sink where you can ice your face. What's the difference? And when you're doing it the obvious way, it's cleaned afterwards. Clean. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't sit on a bidet when you really have a problem. I mean, you do white. I don't know if I want to put my face in a bidet. That's all I got to say. Well, it's the thought that gets you. Another way you also have avoided doing laundry. one of your taglines one season was sometimes Sonia has to go commando. What can I say? What are your guidelines for going commando? Well, I probably should have gone commando today because I don't like the panty lines.

47:48Oh, wait. Like, do you have underwear on right now? Well, I've got a lot of junk. It's just the junk in the trunk. I have a sizable. You have a seam cleaner for the couch? I don't like those panty lines. Sorry, my pants are bothering me. Hold on. You should have gone commando. Oh, no. Look, but these open like this. I love these panty lines. No, no. I just, I don't like the panty lines. Okay, so we don't like panty lines. Are we wearing, you know, are we going commando in jeans? No, God no. Oh, God no. But we're not. Tight dresses. Tight dresses and maybe pants. Skirts. How do you feel about that, Luann?

48:19Thin pants. You know, I think, you know, wearing jeans or pants without underwear is, you know, it's, how do you call them? Not camel toe, but kind of wedgy. Oh, it feels like it would hurt. You know what I don't like is the G-string thing. That's the dental floss action. Oh, yeah. What's your go-to underwear? Well, I like hanky-panky. Commando, or they do have a new underwear. There's a couple of companies that do it that prevent camel toe. Okay, good. So you've researched it and you're feeling good. Oh, I'm working on it. Okay, you're working on it. Okay. Luann, obviously one of your most famous quotes, you referenced it earlier, was your voice text to your then-fiancé, Tom, when you said, How could you do this to me?

49:01Question mark. What was it like finding out that he kissed another woman on camera? Listen, I still married the guy even, you know, because we like to believe in the good of people and that people make mistakes. But even Louis Vuitton makes mistakes. Even Louis Vuitton. So you marry him. Do you, looking back, what do you wish you could have told that version of yourself before you married him? Listen to Sonya, she said. Listen to the red flags. I told her. But love is blind, you know. I told her it was not marriage material. I don't live with regret. You know what I'm saying? No, you wanted to get married.

49:35No, I'm not somebody who lives with regret. She was going to get married. And I loved the man at the time. Yes. We have to make our own mistakes, learn from them, and grow from them. It is a good point. I feel like sometimes we can have our friends telling us, but sometimes we just have to live through the experience. Because then you're like, okay, I did it. I know that that wasn't right. But if you ended up going because all of your friends told you to, you could then end up presenting your friends. Exactly. that's worse that is worse right you're right Alex that's right make your own mistakes and I think that's really how you learn how do you guys navigate when you see the other person making a mistake but also wanting to be there for each other like how do you kind of sit back and know maybe oh they're making a mistake but I'm not going to judge them you just wait and don't judge and then let them know you're still there for them no matter what yeah cute um okay there is this misconception that the best days as women are behind you when you're 30 40 50 it's like okay, it's over.

50:30But I feel like you two are just revving up. We're just beginning. You're just getting started. What is the best part about getting older? I mean, for me, the best part is being in the driver's seat and not having to need a man at this point in life and being busy. And success is the best revenge, right? And I feel like that But at this age, we really, you know, I say this, you know, I cry when I have to and I love who I want to now. Do you know what I mean? So that's true. I, you know, I live the life that I want to live now and I don't do things that I don't like anymore. You know what I'm saying?

51:11I do things that I love and I lead my life that way. That's why I love cabaret because I write my story. It's my story. Right. And that's, you know, how I lead my life now. I just don't, you know, I don't want to do things that make me uncomfortable or don't make me happy.

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54:09I also feel like you both are kind of known for having the best game when it comes to picking up men for the housewives. Like you guys are really good. What is, Sonia, what do you think is like the sexiest thing about being in your 60s? Well, the thing about being in my 60s is it's bittersweet because you have less time on earth and you start to really value real connection. You know, social currency sort of goes out the window. You don't really care about collecting connections. You have them already and um you have wisdom to share and then you start to find your real purpose i love and get great joy i love the table with the waters i love and get great joy out of um working with my interns and mentoring them and making sure they get great jobs and see the world and they can tell what they really want to do for their career what's going on is he just having a little bit of a we're having a coughing attack you're saying the most beautiful thing and luanna And I'm like, Louisa.

55:07Of course, first of all, she reaches for the drink mid-sentence instead of waiting. No, no, no. I actually love that. I'm joking over here. That's great advice. It's like by a certain point, you've collected all the good people in your life. And instead of trying so hard to go and find new people, you get to settle in and enjoy the people that you've collected throughout your life. Have always been there for you. And you really start to learn that because even as a very young girl, I had people around me that wanted access. And then when you marry into a certain family and you have the private eye and the private plane and the yacht, you really see you're attracting people who just want to be in the room.

55:42So I'm very much over that period of my life. But like I said, it's bittersweet because now I'm like, how much longer do I have? Sonia, we got a long way to go, girl. When it comes to dating also, because obviously you're thriving in that department, as you said, you walked around, you picked the rancher, you took him to your hotel room, you're having fun. What do you think is the most surprising thing about dating in your 60s? So the thing about dating at this point for me before it was, you know, my daughter was at home. She was on the fourth floor. I'm on the second floor. So it was always about being, having her in bed on time and being there for her when she came home from school.

56:19And I just really couldn't commit to some of my age. I was really reinventing myself and hustling. And so I would date guys who were just starting to invent themselves. but now I have had a couple of serious boyfriends the last I'd say four years one guy for a year and a half and the last guy for five months I'm not going to waste another five months so now at this point I know when you're you're dating someone like I'm 62 the last guy I dated was 58 the guy before that 44 you start to really see what you want and who you want to spend the rest of your life with love that which is why I'm asking her if she's going to get married to Michael.

56:56How are we feeling? Two years. Listen, I never say never. I'm a hopeless romantic. Okay. Three times a charm because I've been married twice now. And I think, you know, dating at this point, in fact, I'm writing about this because I'm doing a next chapter of Class with the Countess because I have not done that book for Audible. So I'm adding a chapter on this point of dating right now at this time of life. And, you know, it's just so different because, you know, we've got our children. we've got our homes you know i look around and go oh my god i have a career i have my children i have my caperet shows i have you know um my homes and and everything i wanted my girlfriends and things right so it's it's the added extra thing for me right and i think when you're happy this draws people to you that's right and the right people to you which is the right energy like i'm in a good place and so and i can i'm pretty good at reading people um and i you know when i saw michael for the first time i was like oh my god that's like my next guy you kind of know Sort of like your first husband.

57:55Right. I married Alex the Count after two weeks of knowing him. She knew right away. You know, sometimes I jump too fast. So with this relationship, you know, I'm just taking it one day at a time. Okay. Easy peasy. But we're happy. But we're happy and we're definitely a couple and he's definitely my partners. Yeah. Okay, Luann, you said on the Ultimate Girls Trip, you want to die having sex. Yeah. I just need to know from both of you, in which position? Oh, definitely on the bottom. Yeah, that would be kind of... Definitely on the bottom. I agree, because who wants to like pick a dead body up and throw it to the left and say, I'll be right back, darling.

58:37I just have to take a leak and call the ambulance. Okay, so that you're like really relaxed and you're laying down. You're in a good position. Yeah, you're right. You just have to put the hands across. Well, yeah. Easy cleanup. Easy cleanup. Okay, Luann, there have been rumors that you kissed Southern Hospitality's Joe Bradley. who's more than 30 years younger than you. We have to know what went down. You know, that guy, I mean, so much charm. I mean, right? He just has so much charm. I think he's such a great, great guy. And there was definitely chemistry. Okay. There's definitely chemistry. I love how she's trying to like figure out how to answer this.

59:14She's like, um, and? How much do we need to tell? Well, you know, listen, he had a tracker on him, which I had no idea. Okay. So of course we did go to my apartment. we did have a couple of friends with us though so i was not alone with him okay so the truth is he did come to the apartment a little you know flirt and you know that was the tracker on that was you talking about the girlfriend the girlfriend at the time i had the little apple but it was it was it was a moment it was a thing and listen there's nothing wrong with a woman my age like feeling good about being attractive to a guy that's 28 and a half i'm like don't say that There is nothing at all wrong with it.

59:51It's so normal for men. It should be normal for women. I will add, though, I cut them off at 27 now because I say at 28, you need to have your own life and go on and get married and have children. Oh, okay. So the 27-year-old, you're like, you can be still fucking around. The 28-year-old, you're like, go get your wife. And sometimes it's just random and spontaneous. You know, that's the point. It's like, it was so random. And it was just a spontaneous moment that, you know. Well, that's another thing. You know, you want to laugh? I'm sitting at Bravo Con, right? And I'm at the bar with Tamara Judge and Teddy.

1:00:24And this woman walks up to me and she goes, Hi, I just wanted to say hello. I'm Joe Bradley's mother. She loves you. And she couldn't have been. She sat down for half an hour and said, You know what? I want to thank you for putting that lovely boy on the planet. Because I think he's so charming and so hot. Right? The mothers love us. And so I'm saying to her for putting him on the planet because I had such a lovely time with him. The mothers? Yes. The mothers love us because we don't want babies. We don't need a pair of shoes. We're not going to get, you know, we're not going to ask for a Harry Winston diamond and ask him to buy his apartment.

1:00:55The mother's like, God bless Luanne for keeping my son, you know. And they're probably fans. They're like, and I love season two. And he was with a new girlfriend. He was with a new girlfriend at BravoCon. So I said hello to Joe and his girlfriend. Mother was there. I mean, it's kind of like. It's a family affair. It was kind of cute. It was really cute, actually. Okay, having dated, younger, older, I'm going to list some statements and you tell me who does it better. Younger men or older men? Better banter. Older men. Older. Older. Okay, more likely to pick up the bill. Older. Both, or I'm not going.

1:01:30Okay. More likely to want to put a label on it. Younger. Older. Oh, okay. Olders want labels. the younger ones are just like they know it's temporary but you've had some younger ones that are like i'm in love with you marry me and they think she's gonna have babies men are so stupid they think we can still have babies i'm like what plan are you let them dream yeah okay um better at dirty talk older older more likely to send a nude younger what kind of news nude not news Which kind of nudes? Like a dick pic? The dick pics, yeah. Younger. The hockey player. I plead the fifth. Okay. Okay. Are we saving them?

1:02:18Are you looking at them later? I don't have a collection of ghosts. Okay. I really don't. Okay. More likely to ghost you.

1:02:27I've only been ghosted once, I thought, and then I found out he just didn't have signal in the Hamptons. Younger. Probably younger. We broke up over it. I went to the Hamptons recently at 1 a.m. All these messages were coming in from the guy who was dating for a year and a half when I thought he ghosted me. And he thought I ghosted him. But Ramona's like, why didn't you call each other? That Hampton signal, let me tell you. It's younger because it's like, pick up the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Pick up the phone. It's texting. Good point. We need to talk about all the women that are watching. You guys obviously have so much confidence when it comes to flirting with men.

1:03:01So I'm going to give you a little scenario. And I want you to tell me how you would handle it. Are you ready? Yes. Luann, you're at a bar. You see a hot man sitting on a bar stool nearby. How are you approaching him? It's funny you should ask because I talk about this all the time. And I'm talking about it when I'm writing right now, which is that, you know, when you're with a group of girls or whatever alone, right? It's awkward maybe for him to come over to you. And it's awkward maybe for you to go over to him, right? You don't seem too, you know, aggressive. so that's when the bartender or waiter comes in handy you write a note that says why don't you join me for a drink i love it it's like it's kind of sexy nobody writes notes anymore and i think it's really cute to get a love note i love that oh that's a good one yeah okay sonia you work an office job and you have a crush on your co-worker how do you turn it into something more I just don't do that.

1:03:57I can't. I've not slept with - Do you see her in an office? That's a better question. I mean, I don't see somebody in an office. You'd have to Velcro my ass to the chair. No, no. I don't date Bravo Lebrides. People ask me that all the time. I just don't. I wouldn't have an affair with someone in the office. What about some of those Southern Charm guys? They're kind of cute. No, no. I've had tete-a-tetes, but that's it. Craig said, what is a tete-a-tete? He didn't know. I said, no, it's just we get together, talk, and have fun. One-on-one. I like to party with the Southern Charm guys. Okay, yeah.

1:04:27What do we think about like Austin or Shep or Craig? No. I like Craig. Okay. But only his friends. Okay. And specify why you're not dating any Bravo liberties. I don't like to burn a bridge in business. It's not good. I see. Okay, so basically coworkers are off limits. Absolutely. You would just tell the girl, go find another man down the street. Every Sonya in your city, I say that to the girls. You never do it. I love that. Okay, Luann, there's a hot lifeguard at the pool in Palm Beach. how do you get his attention oh god just sit up she just gets out of her lounge chair and everybody's looking she's a bikini babe um how do i get his attention well we were just on the beach weren't we the paparazzi the paparazzi um yeah and sonny and i had a little you had a moment on the beach what happened bathrooms were too far so you know i think just walking by to go to the bathroom is enough.

1:05:21Making some eye contact. Make eye contact. Telling him, you know, what a nice suntan he might have. You know, flirting in that way. You like to play soccer or whatever. What's that one? Volleyball. Yes. She gets right in the volleyball game. Oh, beach volleyball is a great way to pick up guys on the beach. I've seen it. But are you not joining the beach volleyball so yet? I'm just watching and learning. What happened with the paparazzi girls? No, no. I was just saying on the beach. Oh, there's a lot of paparazzi on the beach. People notice I was on the beach. I see. We were both in People Magazine as top celebrity bikini bods over 50.

1:05:54Yes, you were. I was over 60. Oh, I love it. 60 or 50. It was still when we were in our 50s. I love it for both of you. It was just a couple of years. I love it. Okay, Sonia, you're sitting next to an attractive man on the plane. What is your first move? Don't talk. Don't talk. First thing I do. That's not going to get you very far. The first thing I do is I, you know, I'll just get in my seat and be demure. I'll ask him to put my luggage up for me and see how he acts because maybe I don't want to talk to him. And then I see how he's acting, you know, while I'm seeing. And then if I feel like he's elegant and put together and he doesn't have a wedding ring, he's not on his phone doing strange things or just watching sports.

1:06:40Just very much. There's a lot I don't like. So then I will just start talking to him. And then once I give him the Sonia pill, he's down for it. He's done. What is it? He's done. I was going to say just brush up against his legs. Well, not if I'm not interested. First, I want to see if I'm interested. What's in the Sonia pill? Well, just talk to him and, you know, try to connect, make him feel important and noticed and appreciated and comfortable. Make sure I don't say my name. I don't want him to know who I am right away. Like if they know you're on TV, sometimes men do run. Oh, they get freaked out.

1:07:14If they live a very discreet. Well, they can't run off the plane. He cannot. So you'll just shove him back down. What am I going to do? Drag him in the bathroom? Maybe. Maybe. Would it be the first time? No, I never did that on a commercial plane. Never. On a private? Disgusting. Private? Wait, wait. Did you? You have not done the mile high clock? No, it's just so disgusting. Are you doing the mile high clock? I put the socks. Well, not in the toilet. I put the socks. I put the slippers. Good blankie will do. I put the paper towels down. There's definitely nothing. I mean, I can't use those. So Luann's in the Mile High Club, maybe not for you.

1:07:44Oh, no. As it is, I have to put slippers, the socks, and then put paper towels down just to use the lavatory. I can't stand that sticky wet floor. Okay. Oh.

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1:09:56Learn more on the Uber app. friends for years light literally lifelong friendships obviously that you guys have luann what is sonia's best quality as a friend sonia really um for me has a heart of gold meaning that she would not try to hurt somebody you know i mean she doesn't have a really mean bone in her body and that's what i like about her kindness and her empathy and sympathy for people in general. Sonia, what is Luann's best quality as a friend? She's always there for me when I need her. I always call her when I need her for something that I know she can handle because she's been through it as well.

1:10:39So I remember when I took down the portrait of my husband, it was hard for me and you were there. We buried the dog. We had to pick up, you know, one dog I have, he was hit by a car and for three months he was in rehab and she came with me all the way out to Long Island to pick up the dog. I was shaking. I was shaking. And yeah, you came for the funeral. In fact, he's still with us. The ashes blew up my nose. She ingested the ashes. The ashes. Remember that, see? On the show, we put the ashes of Milu? Milu. Milu in the East River. And when Sonia went to put the ashes in the river, they all blew in our faces.

1:11:15Do you remember that? I do remember that. So we have Milu in our noses still. On you forever. In you forever. When you look back, What is the biggest difference between who you were in season one of Roni and who you are today on The Golden Life? Each of you answer. You know, the biggest difference is I think that we built such a confidence over the years in terms of, you know, we've had to have a thick skin. You know, putting our lives out there, the ups and the downs and the all arounds. And, you know, and we really put ourselves out there. And I think that, you know, it has made us strong as women.

1:11:55We, you know, we've been through divorce and, you know, and through boyfriends and through heartbreak, you know, in so many ways. And, you know, and we've been there for each other. And I think that, you know, I've grown after all this time a lot in terms of, you know, from when I started. you know I was married and to the count and you know I had that to protect right and then I had to protect the second marriage as well and then I you know I lifted myself up and made a cabaret career for myself which would never dream that it would be now global and and now I am in the driver's seat like I get to make all the choices I don't have to live you know the kids are grown you know the husbands are gone and you know they're there but you know and now I live the life that I want to live and that's why I think that you know we're doing this show because it's all about living the golden life and I think that um we hopefully inspire uh people to know that at this age you can you know be busy be productive and be as you know as incredible as you want to be that is so beautiful if you put your mind to it you'll have to repeat the question for me So, Sonia, how are you different from season one to now?

1:13:12Well, I didn't know what I was getting into. So, you know, that took time because I had a very private life. My husband was very private. The families are very private. So my husband had a terrible car accident. I was desperate. I mean, it was just devastating to not have him and to lose my best friend and raise my daughter on my own because I didn't grow up that way and I needed his input. But luckily, my daughter Quincy has her uncles and family members for her. I learned how to be in a fish ball but have a private life also. And then after that, once Quincy graduated, I learned, wow, I can do this show.

1:13:55My daughter graduated summa cum laude from UPenn. And I'm not just a show. I'm a very funny mother that's handled a lot. I went through so many things financially, getting my state together. And I make money independently without the show. We all learned that when the show wasn't airing in New York. We could, you know, the hustle was real and we could do it. We're survivors. I'm much stronger than I realized I was. At first, I didn't think I could nurse my husband through all of that. I felt, oh, I'm way too selfish. I didn't even think I was able to have, you know, to be a good mom. And now I know I am.

1:14:30Plus, I can be independent, working and taking care of me and my family. And I can still support LGBTQ animals, artists, children, all the things that I always wanted to do since I was in my teens. Well, I think that's what's beautiful about kind of what both of you just said is like, of course, there's the chaos and the fun. And you guys are so entertaining. It's like you can't replicate what you guys did. Like you said, like there's big shoes to fill for the new cast of Roni and like bless them and good luck to them. But like what you guys gave us and continue to give us is really because of how authentic you've been for all those years.

1:15:06And like you said, Luann, there's going to be moments where you're going through the hardest times of your life that you guys have shared on television. And it made you guys so lovable, though, because we were like, oh, my God, I can't believe these people are sharing this. But that comes with a lot. That comes with a lot on you emotionally and personally and lack of privacy. and to see you guys have navigated it so well. It's so exciting to now see that you guys are opening the door back up. Can you give us any sneak peek of what to expect on this new season and this new show? Like, give me anything.

1:15:39Oh, man. Well, I mean, you're going to see us continue to be our authentic selves, really. I mean, you know, New York was gritty and it was about us, you know, being parents and, you know, raising our children And, you know, along the way, discovering who we are as women and growing into that, you know, my kids were on the show, you know, early and not a lot, but they were on the show. And I think that they came out of it, you know, great. And my daughter lives, you know, in the Hamptons and she's living in Europe part of the time. She's doing psychic mediumship now. Very good. She's really good.

1:16:15She read Sonia's tarot cards. Oh, my gosh. She's really into it. She has a gift from her ancestors, from the Delos Heps, actually. So cool. And my son is an amazing oil painter. I mean, we raised our children. You know, we have businesses, you know, creating careers and, you know, running homes. And we really juggled a lot. And, you know, and I think people, maybe we made it look easy, but it was really not that easy to juggle. And all the while having to show up looking beautiful. Fabulous. Right? And a great dress. But it really wasn't the focus of New York then. New York was really about, we didn't have makeup artists.

1:16:53We didn't have a stylist. We didn't, and we still, I mean, we still barely have makeup artists and stylists, but it's just not who we are as a franchise. And I think people can relate to that because it's very relatable. We're just normal people living our lives on TV, putting ourselves out there and hopefully, you know, helping people navigate their own lives. Well, I think the tidbit that I can share is the fans have been, you like to say fans, I say followers, but the followers who have been there supporting us through everything, they're going to get to see that we're there for them. And it's because of them that we're coming back.

1:17:32If they didn't say it so loudly and so often, E! wouldn't have heard that. Thank God E-Network showed up at BravoCon, and they saw that the OGs get the most applause when we walk around. That's who they're really invested in is the OGs because we have experience. And like Luann said, we're gritty. We don't do makeup. We're not trying to look perfect. So they're going to see more of that. We try. It gets a little different when you're an empty nester, and now you have your parents who are older, and you have your kids who are either working or not working, either struggling or surviving. and then you're gonna see like what it means to have real freedom you can sleep in you can stay up late you can do whatever you want because what comes with money what comes with money that really is freedom is being able to do what you want when you want well and with who you want i was gonna say i love that you just said that too about the ogs because i think what we can also agree is like yes you guys still have such a crazy fandom and what we can all agree is you guys know how to put on a damn show.

1:18:35And so to know that this show is coming out, I think we're all just like, I can't wait to just sit and watch. And I don't care if you're making up like literally in a fucking kitchen doing nothing. It's entertaining at its core. And so I just wanted to thank you from all of us fans for doing this because we need you guys back on TV. So to know it's coming, I just want to say congratulations. You guys deserve it. Also, congratulations on everything you guys have built. Like you've been referencing like it is so truly inspiring to watch yes the housewives franchise but like you as women to yes it's like men are not at the center of this it's women it's real stories it's what you guys have been through it's what you guys have that's true actually overcome and to be sitting here at this gorgeous thriving age i'm just like oh my god i can't wait to be inspired and i can't wait to be 60 so well We're not going to let you down.

1:19:30You got some time to go, darling. And congratulations. I know you're due. Thank you. I know. Very soon. I knew it was going to be so fun, but I can't thank you enough. You guys are even more gorgeous in person. And congrats and good luck on everything. I love you. We're going to see you on the other side when you pop that fun out. October 20th, darling. Oh, yeah. Hang on to your seatbelts because it's going to be wonderful. One hell of a ride. It really is. And just like the good old days. So I'm excited for everyone to see the show. Congrats, guys. Thank you for coming and calling. Thank you.

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