Spencer Pratt: How to Be Famous (FBF)

0:00Spencer Pratt, you will obviously never be as relevant as you were, how does that make you feel? oh yeah fuck you fuck this interview stupid podcast fuck this shit's over here is he actually leaving what is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy okay here we go Mr. Pratt oh my gosh Look at this outfit. I love it. Oh, my God. So nice to meet you. The devil is attacking me. Oh, my God. The devil? Well, the second I get in my car, it's never happened in my life. It says, engine coolant. I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? So, go to the gas station. I'm like, oh, buy engine coolant.

0:52I put it in, and it's like spraying out. I call BMW servicer. They're like, you need to tow it right now. You're like, I got to go to call her daddy. No, fuck the car. Like, no. Oh, my God. Okay, can you mic yourself up immediately? Because we're getting into this. This is very fancy. Wait, isn't it cute? Spencer, it's the first time I'm using these. I feel honored. I'm honored because I knew you were someone that would know how to put it on and use it. I mean, I usually let them do it. That's like the perks. So I should have done it. Okay, we're going over here to make a drink. You didn't even get good tequila.

1:24This is embarrassing. I won't actually touch these bottles. Wait, are you serious? Oh, I can't be on camera with that. Wait, what do you drink? I mean, bootleg enough would be like class Azul is as low as we're gonna go. This is all I had from like random. I'll watch. You're not getting me on camera. I mean, this was, I drank this in 2000. Wait, do I have anything else? Spencer, I tried. You don't have a 1942? Come on. Spotify. What is going on? Budget cuts. I have a champagne bottle. Okay, so Spencer, right off the bat, is just shitting on me for not having. I also needed this. I have that car coolant.

2:03I was a lot. Okay, yeah, let's talk about what happened. All right, so I get in the car. I was going to be very early. I was going to sit in the car, meditate, just visualize the best freaking podcast ever. And I get in the car, and it says engine coolant. I'm like, I'm not a mechanic, but this seems bad. So I go to the car place real quick. I'm like, I need engine coolant. I'm very late to the biggest podcast of my life, statistically. basically. And so he's like, Oh my God, it's leaking everywhere. And I'm like, pour more in. So we pour more and I called BMW. They're like, you need to tow it here, right?

2:37I'm like, I'm not towing it. Like the car could shut down on you on the way there. I'm like, well, then it's going to shut down because I'm not missing this. Let's pop the Dom. Okay. Do you want to pop the Dom? I mean, I'll drink that. Okay. Let's do that. Let's do that. That's, that's a better way to go about it. Okay. I feel like you should do the honors. You know here's the thing I've learned because Heidi's a professional champagne bottle opener I used to like the like excitement of yeah and she's like no you're not even supposed to have like barely a noise it's not a game to like you know you guard that you come in like that you treat it like that because people are always oh you're gonna so the key what I've been taught is you just slowly it's less exciting but let's not let's not waste this money

3:28i mean kicking off the caller daddy podcast beautiful cheers to the daddy gay i am so honored to be involved with your mafia i'm so honored you're here they're gonna love you sponsor you You are popping off on TikTok. I need to know, what is your strategy? It was drinking, and then that's why I haven't been TikTok-ing. Well, here's what happened. Here's what happened. I don't know how it happened. So what people loved to – so I had to stop because Heidi was like, you play the hills in the house anymore. Like, I'm going to choke you. She can't even – it's like nails on a chalkboard. And I'm like, honey, these are going viral.

4:09This one just did a meal in like 10 minutes. And she's like, I don't care. Like stop talking about that's I'm like it's relevant to a niche micro audience honey So you know I can play it's a hard balance because I'm also blowing up all these people that I can't stand yeah So it's like Do I like I'm like the views but I'm like nobody I kind of love that Heidi's like Spencer Knock it the fuck off and you're like can't hear you a million views got to go. This is so delicious I can't believe you know my charcuterie plate though for us We're going upstairs to the interview. Are you ready? Should we bring this or no?

4:46Let's leave it. You need to drive home in your fucked up car. Oh, no, I'm towing it. Oh, here? You're towing it here? It's a tow situation. Oh, you're towing it here? I wasn't supposed to get here. Is Heidi picking you up? I said I would. Uber. Black Uber. X, you know, whatever. Censor. It's all about the money. Let's go upstairs. Oh, my gosh.

5:17All right.

5:21Deep breath. Now I'm praying. You're praying. Do you want to pray out loud? Please, God, have this just be the greatest podcast to ever hit the waves of this dimension. Have it just touch so many people's hearts in a positive, enlightening way, God, and just truly be a blessing for everyone's ears. And if they're visually watching this with captions, just when they read it, just have their spirit just be uplifted and inspired. Amen. That was a little too much Holy Spirit. I almost fainted there. Oh my God. Do you believe in God? Oh yeah. But I mean, Heidi like took it to the next level because she's like a preacher.

6:10Really? Like I was trying to be in the Illuminati when I met Heidi. Were you really? Oh, 100%. I didn't realize they're like drinking blood and all the weird. I thought it was just like sex parties, like eyes wide shut. Oh, right. Everybody older than 18. Totally. You wanted to be a part of the sex parties. Not just the party, but like the Tom Cruise movie. Totally. Minus people disappearing. It looked like my vibe. Thank you for kicking us off. I feel really zen and calm. I almost just started crying. I don't know if it was tears of joy or laughter, but it was something. You got an emotion out of me.

6:47I mean, it hit me too. I don't know. It's good AC in here. You're like, I almost fainted. Okay. Spencer Pratt, welcome to Call Her Daddy. I am so honored. You grew up in California, going to school with celebrities and celebrities' kids. Who was the first famous person you remember meeting in your life? oh hands down Meryl Streep I was on the set of Death Becomes Her I think was the title where she's like falling apart so shout out she would deny knowing me at this point but I think her name was Mamie Gummer uh we were BFFs we're very young we would go set and it was Meryl Streep and I would be chilling on set so yeah I did not expect the answer that's fucking baller oh I mean And I went to Crossroads.

7:34The list goes on. But that's like the cool, like just in this mansion. I mean, then it's next thing you know, I'm having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton. You know, so I mean, like my child. You have to clarify. You're having a slumber party with Hillary Clinton. So my best friend, Charlie, his parents were best friends with the Clintons from Arkansas. And so when I was a kid, you know, I'd always sleep over at Charlie's house. But one night, you know, you know, I was pre-checked, you know, I knew this was going to happen. So Secret Service did their thing. I think I was a safe 14 year old or whatever.

8:09And so, yeah, slumber party. I was in the kitchen with Hillary. That was wild. So you reference your high school and how you were surrounded by like a lot of famous people. What were you like in high school and what did the other kids think about you? Well, I try to say that I am exactly, you know, I've learned a lot of lessons, but I would say I'm the exact same person that I've always been and I haven't changed. So, you know, I just as many people that didn't like me back then, you know, I had, you know, enemies putting up, you know, dicks drawn on my face around town, you know, so I came in like hot, you know, so I think because, you know, for my private school world, soccer was our big thing.

8:54sport we didn't have a football team so um i was for my world really good at soccer so i was on the older teams so you know when i was 15 all the seniors i was rolling with them so you know everything got fast forward like when i watch i don't watch euphoria when i see cliffs i'm like oh my god this is the disney channel compared to like la and growing up you know now it's crazier because you just dye fentanyl and whatever so it's a little it's definitely like darker now so i pray for these kids but um it was amazing i everyone's always like oh why don't you like write it like people that know me like you should write a memoir like no way you wouldn't well right now i just found all these tapes and i was like maybe i just cut together like heidi was calling it selling spencer it was because i really have just been trying to sell myself for all these years not my soul though that's the one thing i've stayed that's why i'm not rich and famous because i didn't cross that tier of what would have crossing that tier looked like though because i think to the world it looks like you sold it oh no there's a whole nother satanism level that you know i didn't unlock like what would you do i mean i what do they do right these people that you just they're not up front with it but there's a i'm we're talking spiritual level not like oh what you say on yeah like these people are going okay so it's interesting because I feel like what you were saying about being in high school like you were always kind of this like polarizing figure there are gonna be people that like me and then they're gonna be people that don't like me and that's okay but when you were younger did you ever get in trouble for your temper um well in one soccer game you know backstory so in high school you know we went to GNCs you get protein powders you get energy so at the time there was this product called rip fuel and I was like that's every brand I want to be ripped and fuel so and they had a strawberry flavor one so I was be hitting rip fuel before games um you know you just mix in your water it's it's legal it's right it's like Gatorade for me or whatever you know I never drink Gatorade though um it's not brought to you by Gatorade I can't be promoing Gatorade so yeah I was all pumped up on Rip Fuel you know and it's very competitive and I was taking this very serious and so this was the semi-finals and there was like a team little meeting the night before the game that this coach who no longer the coach for a reason okay shout out Fed the new coach so the seniors didn't go to this team meeting that was unnecessary the night before a game so the next day biggest game of the senior year semifinals he benches all eight of the best players the seniors hands down the best players including myself we're now losing at half like two zero you know I'm pacing the side of the thing I'm like this is like you we get it like and he wanted to make a point like we don't need you like he thought they were going to do fine with like whatever so finally at halftime we go back in I go in score two goals tie it up so pumped up score a third goal now we're winning he goes sub he tries to pull me out I'm like I don't know if I flicked him off or whatever I'm like you know I must have been being like what's up like you know I mean the crowd this is back when people cared you know you know like living you know this was our Friday night lights right it was probably on Friday too and so you know I went to the sideline and you know maybe got in the coach's face and my mom ran on the field my mom you know this was crazy what he did so my mom backed me up but I didn't hit anybody I didn't there was no it was just yelling he's yelling back so I get called in because they're maybe gonna suspend me and they're like you were acting very pumped up like were you on something I'm like yeah rip fuel like what's rip fuel can you bring this in to like the principal office uh tom nolan bob riddle just retired bye bye bob so i bring in the rip fuel and they read the back of it and it had ephedrine in it which is now illegal and they decided was like speed so i would just dose up on you know rip fuel so that got me not suspended or expelled but other than that like no i was teacher i have tight with all the teachers so you got to blame your behavior I mean it was it was a stimulant totally it was anyone else taking it with you the whole team yeah but I mean I was more pumped up so who was your first famous friend like the week kicked it with all it like the first famous person we started kicking it with was Paris Hilton peaked the most famous person on planet that was when I saw like firsthand real deal new modern earned tabloid fame because I mean I had grown up with you know a-list celebrity parents and I saw that's more low-key and it hadn't this was peak Paris coming in the game tabloid cover energy paparazzi and I will always say you know I'm not close with her I don't know her you know but she was so consistently nice and like a she didn't even need to like I'm like entourage hanger on her like rando and still got treated with you know so i'll always say you know good for you that paris hilton era was the beginning of it all with paparazzi like do you think that sparked something in you of like damn no i was i was telling people at age 16 bringing in us weekly covers telling folks get ready i'm gonna be on the cover of us weekly and people like what is this my mom always had tablets so I grew up with tablets around the house and but nobody appreciated them like I did so I was but pre-Paris I was already coming hot like there was no doubt in my mind you were going to be on those tabloids okay but in your head Spencer what were you thinking you were going to be on the tabloids I had no idea but I was like I'm going to be famous these famous people have it so figured out I mean because when you grow up seeing how famous people live like you know you know as a just eyes on like the the reservation that's world's over by the way like people are like oh he's so thirsty he still wants to be famous like fame isn't even cool anymore now and i would love to have it but it's still not you know 90s to early 2000s when these people live i mean they were taking helicopters landing on just the rules have changed the game so what i grew up thinking fame was is so different like i wouldn't grow up now be like all due respect to TikTok I love being viral on TikTok but I don't think I'd be like oh my god I want to be a viral TikToker as like what I was chasing if you had grown up in Ohio like do you think because of where you grew up and what you were around is why you wanted to be famous because you got oh 100 % like I think in Ohio one of these are states I would have ended up in like Delta Force and gone in the military or been a spy or something yeah that was my brand that's why I don't have tattoos because that was always like well if I am going to be Jason Bourne you can't have tattoos so you know like I was like deep logical but the problem was I lived in the Palisades I was like I'd get killed or like go to Nobu I want to go to Nobu not have to go so in a different state I that's the energy I have okay I was looking this up and nowhere is this story when and how did you meet brody jenner rewind to eighth grade um i won't say her last name maybe she's anonymous heather was the it girl on the eighth grade soccer team and i was on the soccer bus because they had other guys and girls on the same soccer bus brody played no sports so eighth grade heather was the hot super hot superstar girl and brody was her boyfriend and so i was like this dude and brody at this time thought he was you know it's pre-m &m i think but brody was like a large m &m like no pun intended um you know he's a bigger guy he loved melt cheese i later found out he just melted a cube of cheese and just like eat it with a spoon so he was he then got ripped and like changed but this brody was like a rapper melted cheese and i was like how is this happening so we had just beef in the sense i was like how is this your girlfriend like we have soccer practice together we have way more common so i don't know what i said but we got in like the only little shoving match in middle school so that we had beef right but then years later this girl that i was seeing casey i won't say her last name because i'm not trying to catch a case um she was dating me and i somebody tells me that's brody's girlfriend i'm like she's not brody's girlfriend like so i bring it up to her and i'm like do you have a boyfriend it like and she's like well i didn't think we were like exclusive care i was like oh no i don't care it's all good but it's like i reach out to brody through mutual friends i'm like yo you know i know we're not cool or whatever but we should meet at don antonio's and talk you know because i guess i had heard he like love this girl and i was like and so we meet up and i'm like your girlfriend is not your girlfriend he's like and i'm like i like i didn't know like she told me but i when i found out that's why i called you and he's like i'm gonna come like no no no no no you know this is pre all these team movies we should have made a team and i was like i think we play this out a little bit so we started becoming best friends on like making plans with her and then the other person would can't like he'd cancel and then she called me and i'd be like yeah yeah and then she may get those plans and like we did this for a while to the point where like you know maybe we crossed the line or whatever you know but it was like you know you want to play the game we'll play the game let's play it um so we became best friends at this is probably 18 how did you get cast on the hills so now we're going back to um i'm now in college i don't know how i see something about the osbornes making 25 million dollars for the and i'd seen the show i was like oh this is entertaining they got dogs pooping ozzy yells like um and so i'm like i'm gonna make a reality show so i call brody i'm like we got to meet at pf changs when pf changs just this is like pf chang's was mr chow's at this point there wasn't mr chow's like this was the hottest chinese food spot you could go to so we meet at pf chang's he brings chucky his like consigulary like advisor chucky to coup and uh so i'm like i want to make a reality show about you and he's like oh i don't know about that and chucky's like you should do it to bring him as my advisor i'm like and he's like here's the deal if you come to my house tomorrow at 8 a.m with the camera start filming i'll do it and he's calling my bluff because i'm a sleeper in at this time i'm not trying to be up all the way in malibu like cross creek so i had a camera because i just tried to shoot a documentary in brazil about like the like i tried to make my own taken you know uh like pre-taken with like a kidnapping and i shot this full film that i was like can you please release that it's pretty hardcore because it was like i use real people and like like people that see it are like this is so inappropriate and intense but like at that time kidnapping was like the big thing and i was already in brazil and i you know i was like i need to make a so it looks it's too real you know like it's like so i'm like whoa like it was like oh the we're in we're tourists and then like the vans come and duct tape like it's crazy you actually like but it like i could have if i had like a good editor i would have won a sundance because it was like no act like i went to the favelas gave people cash all real guns from like got real cops to like i mean it was so crazy because i want to be a filmmaker you know like like i didn't you know that was clout was like michael bay like totally you know so i was like i'm making yeah so i edit this i show bro Brody's like, bro, don't you dare show anybody this.

21:09You won't go to jail. Oh my God. But I mean, everyone's in on it. Right, right, right. Nothing bad is happening. It looks a little bit. Yeah, and Brody's like, people are going to be a little concerned. This was your girlfriend at the time. It's like she wanted to be an actress. She was an actor. There's clearly evidence showing this was, you know, everyone was fine. But it was a little too real. it was as real as it gets it was like so if i needed a kid now so in brazil like i have the full kind of just um so i had the camera the good camera gl2 canon and so i show up 8 a.m i have this one tape like i re-watched this the other day i show up camera on him in his nose just trolling him like pushing it in he's like oh so i tell my parents i'm withdrawing from usc and I'm taking a leave of absence.

22:00They're like, what? I'm like, I'll make a reality show. They're like, oh my God. I'm like, don't worry, I can go back. I mean, at this point, they're like, I'm glad he's back from Brazil. You know, so I started just filming everything in the house, but his stepdad is a superstar, mega, and in real life, he's literally telling me, stop fucking filming me. Get the fuck out of my house. and you know at the time Paris and and uh Nicole were on Fox so I was saying this is Fox Dave you know I didn't appreciate who he was Brody said he makes elevator music like that was my this is David Foster like so that's my percent and I'm like oh you make elevator music yeah fuck off yeah like that was the energy like Brody's like says you make elevator music so I had no like oh it's David Foster I'm like in his face he's swearing at us you know he's like get the fuck out of my house and my head was like we have a bigger man we have a bigger mansion there's more dogs here they're like 10 dogs shitting everywhere and he was a superstar and then we have brody's mom linda thompson who at one time elvis was trying to marry dated elvis for five years linda's incredible tv legend so she's playing all into it and letting us like let the boys do the boy you know so and i'm living the life too i'm never stopping filming because they got the chef i'm going in the fridge.

23:21I got a plate that says Dave. I'm eating his food all day from the chef. And we edit it right there. Just like, you know, a few minutes on Sunday night, I get a call from this guy and he's like, Spencer. I'm like, who's this? And he's like, it's Peter. I'm like, Peter who? And he's like, Peter Chernin. He's the chairman of News Corp that owns Fox. And he's like, you have a meeting tomorrow at 9am with Gail Berman. I'm like, cool. Who's Gail Berman? he's like Spencer she's the president of Fox television she knows the deal just go to the meeting I'm like okay and he hangs up I'm like okay so I called David Foster and I talked I'm like going to Fox Fox man you know talking all the smack this is where he murked me out because he didn't have like now he's like oh this is real so he didn't have faith in me like I don't think he knew what level I had I'd already got it done yeah so he calls his boy because David's Canadian and he calls his homie from Canada that like they had tried to do some projects together in the past and he's like, you got to go to this meeting.

24:20So I pull up like out of a movie and I get to the Fox lot right there. Every time I drive by it now, I still am like, God, what a memory that you just can't even make up. And I pull up my Spencer Pratt for Gail Berman and they're like, oh, sorry, somebody already used your drive-on. I'm like, what does that mean? They're like, you're going to have to park on the street. And like, I'm like, wait, what? so now I'm like parking down Pico like running and I'm in my like dumb purple shirt that you know that I thought was like a fancy shirt you know that I didn't have like I didn't like have designer clothes or whatever so I like this stupid purple shirt on somehow later in that day Peter Churnan sees me he's there and he's like don't you ever wear that dumb ass shirt ever I'm like oh okay but so I go into the meeting and I get in the elevator and this guy in this full suit is smoking a cigar and we're going up in the elevator and he's big old guy.

25:13And he's like, uh, you know, I'm like, who's this guy? And these other guys in suits and sorry, they're like walking with me. And we're all walking. I'm like, no, they're all going in the same place as me. So Gail offers us in that meeting$3.7 million. I'm like, yeah, deal, deal, deal, fucking deal. And they're like, no, then we're like, we're going to go see some, uh, we're going to ABC. I'm like, who the fuck are they like no deal and so they jacked me and they like if i hadn't called david i would have so much more creative control but i was 20 right and so then i find out like you know i get a lawyer and they're like yeah they're saying you're not the executive producer i'm like i'm like that sounds like i sounds like i am that and they're like yeah they're saying you're not so i call peter i'm like they're saying i'm not and he's like makes a call and then now i'm executive producer i was the youngest executive producer of a network television show to this day in history and they try to fight that and so then they make the show and at this point on my first day of filming a fox show keep in mind this is when fox was peak fox we are getting launched with the reboot of family guy on sunday nights before the simpsons our sponsor is coca-cola uh mcdonald's that we're like getting ads and they're like i am gonna be a millionaire like in a month i have my walkie talkie that says executive producer day one i'm behind camera they're filming and then And everyone's like, Spencer, you need to go in and like do what you're doing.

26:40Because in it, everyone's always talking shit to me. Right. Like in the sizzle and everything. Because I'm like the like crutch, the bad, like the guy that lives in the guest house, the energy, the Kato Kaelin vibe. Right. So I'm like, nah, I got my walkie talkie. Like you'll get to keep your walkie talkie. I'm like, okay. So I didn't realize I like, it was like the matrix pill. Like I, that was when I sabotaged my entire life of being taken seriously crossing in front of that camera. I was like, oh yeah, I get my walkie talkie still. I got my title, but I didn't get that was the end of like anyone ever being like respecting you in this business.

27:17But which is crazy to hear too for you, Spencer, because by you, they clearly were like, wait, we're filming this shit. and we're not getting the same thing that Spencer came with his DVD because it was you. Brody was so comfortable with you being like, Spencer, get the fuck out of my face. And like David Foster's like, Spencer, like everyone knew you. So they were giving you that content. They're not going to do it as easily in front of these like random, um, like guys with cameras. So they needed you to get back in there, but that sucks that then your credit basically got taken as in terms of a producer.

27:49So I look still this whole time, not getting that nobody else was going to think this looked at myself as an on-camera producer i was just filming doing the story bites so that night linda has a talk with us our first night of filming and she's like i caught david cheating on me in the studio and i'm like well uh so uh you know like what are we doing here right and so like we pretty much just like beg her to like just pause this you know she's like getting, I now appreciate it more. But at the time, like I was so deep in like, this is our, like, like who cares? Like, let's roll. Like you let's launch.

28:31Like, and so she gangstered up and was like, I'll do. And I didn't really understand what she meant. Like I'll do the filming, but I didn't get. So then let's fast forward the night the show premieres. She's like, I informed Fox that I'm filing for divorce tomorrow morning. And I'm like, what? You know, nowadays that ratings up people love that dark thing this is a family friendly sunday i get my third call from the chairman of newscores like spencer what the f we bought a family friendly show for sunday nights i'm pulling the plug after next week's episode it's done so we get the one you know rated well for the summer we get one more and i just lost and i spent all my money that my first check on my bmw that now i like didn't have money for gas you know figured it was speaking like because I was like game on you know we're gonna be so rich damn that's wild that like day one of filming she like so that just set caught him cheating and you're like wait no we need one this house to film it everything too we need the family together and then the rest of the season they just like you try she tried to fake it for you yeah she did and she's a real good actor and damn so I get that call I'm like oh my god I have to go back to college you know like so now I'm back in college.

29:45Brody Jenner had step siblings at the time. When do you remember meeting Kim Kardashian for the first time and what was she like back then? All right so I just shout out Esquire magazine for profiling me and the big I thought this was going to be like positive but since I said I should be Kim Kardashian people like got all weirded out about that but it's I feel that you know so I'm just gonna defend myself so now we're at the first night of the princes of Malibu our Fox show I didn't even know he had stepsisters I wasn't even aware maybe I met them that night like totally irrelevant week later you know this has been denied but Rhodey's the witness and I don't know if he'll maybe he'll say it but it's true we get a call from Chris Jenner who I don't know and he puts her on speaker and she's like we should do what you're doing in Malibu with our family in the valley with your dad Brody and and he hangs up and I'm like the valley you know because like when I grew up like you did not this isn't me saying this this is what I grew up knowing there was nobody filming anything in the valley except pornos you know like that was what the I you know that's where they shot yeah people used to shit on the valley it was yeah now give me one of those 80 million dollar valley houses I guess it's still you need good AC.

31:09But so we laughed. And I've thought about it a million times. Was that the call that like sabotaged my whole life that I didn't take? But then I really thought about a million times. They went to then to Ryan Seacrest, who had a first look deal with E. They had to make a show per his contract. And they went to him and he had the power of not only E! News, kiss fm was popping he just got american idol like that's a solid i don't think if brody and i had gone with cameras shot the kardashians it would have been with the kardashians like everything came perfect for what their magical portal happened so i've thought about a trillion times but i've met her for real for real in the club i remember area you know she was wearing like an herve ledger silver purplish dress you know and she kim looked like a superstar and was famous like she deserves day one jump she was famous at this point energetically she knew who she was gonna be so she had that aura and like you know i was joking with kim and you know we're all having fun she was totally cool but that i remember meeting him and like her at the club and like you know then she later filmed on the hills and organized heidi's closet and they didn't use the footage and i once said this in an interview and her publicist was like this is absolute lie and then mtv pulled out the clip think one time they ever backed me with receipts and like showed unedited kim like every now and then somebody tags me in a tweet of her like tweeting at me like you be heidi and reggie need to go on a double date and i'm like how was i so popping in my head that I'm not like following through with this double.

32:54I did follow through when Miley Cyrus tweeted us and we went and double dated with her and that. So I wasn't too insane. But if I had done everything different and if I was like super, like for how thirsty I am, like what I should have done is been friends with everybody. That's what Kim was so good at. And I'm not that type of person. Like I don't want to go have fake lunches and fake drinks. And what if I had played the game like a pro, I would have gone to drinks all the time with people that hated me and I hated them back and we just all be fake but it's like that's the problem with being a real person which is good for reality TV but like not for networking and building these because people message me like oh we should do this and you can reach out to like your celebrity friend like my what friends like I got my friends from preschool and they don't even want me to name drop that I know them you know so no I I appreciate that because I think that a lot of people don't know about the princess of Malibu like if you're on TikTok sorry but people may not know about it and I think that it was interesting when you look back at your history that you started this like basically little reality show following Brody around and Kim is just like there in a scene and you're like whoa like this was the beginning and then I believe you that Chris called because it's like you guys were doing it before the Kardashians started it no and uh at the time Bruce not wasn't caitlin so at the time bruce was filming for princes so chris is they didn't use any of the footage but like he would come film right and he'd be on it so he's going back home and tell like this is crazy right and you know at the same time the simple life's popping so kim's knowing about reality tv through uh through paris and that's when reality tv really started to pop off was like slowly like the simple life and then obviously though the biggest i think was when the hills popped off and that was when it was like holy shit this is reality tv and because yes how i got to the hills yeah yeah yeah uh this is gonna be a this is gonna be two-part call her daddy podcast uh so come on come on we're gonna merch get your merch call daddy.com so um so wait so yeah back to college so go back to college and then one day i'm back from class whatever and my mom's best friend lucy they're in there watching this show and my mom's friend lucy like you should date this girl she's so cute i'm like what is this and they're they're watching in she's like date this girl she's so cute and it's heidi i'm like what is this show like how is this even a show this is season one i'm like this is the dumbest thing i've ever seen in my life right and i'm like this on tv like yeah it's so cute there and i see one of the names of the executive producers was a guy that Brody and I literally hired like we had a meeting we hired so I have his cell phone number I call him I'm like mother you have a new show and you didn't put Brody and I and he's like Spencer no it's a set cast of this girl from Laguna Beach you like it's not like that I'm like oh no it's like that we'll see you in the club like I don't think so that's our show you got like Hollywood like in this one Brody was like running the clubs and like so all due respect no girl from laguna beach is doing a hollywood show i'm like they have a hollywood show and you're so not including us like yeah so we're out it's uh this club was called privilege justin timberlake was just popping with sexy can i i think i remember it just like hitting so hard in the in the freaking club and so this is when i was very into dancing you know this was people dance back then people weren't too cool to dance we wanted to stand around like it was like yeah dancing time so I was dancing and then Kristen was at the bar with Heidi and Heidi just in season one I didn't know what even that meant nobody the hills was not popping so Heidi and I clear the dance floor we're having a great time dancing hit it off we all drive back to Brody's house in Malibu so she ends up spending the night we you know she says it's love at first sight I guess now in retrospect it was but you know I had you know player ego clout fame vibe so i was like and then she tells you know we're seeing each other but she is seeing you know she's not exclusive either to me when i met heidi she was writing a book had chapters how to outplay the player she had game galore she was not this like innocent victim like oh my god spencer's talking to those playmates like she was talking to old dude over here and old dude here like she had two like she had an a-list athlete and a-list actor she was dating when i was supposedly looking like the bad guy so if they had showed real heidi and not this like bootleg you know just making girls look like this like like that was where you got to see like like an awesome girl that i would fall in love with who like show a girl with game that totally like yeah Yeah, like this is why I liked her.

37:54She's like, she was a victim. I wasn't playing her. It was like battle. We were like a master chess dating. And so that's. Can you tell us who she was dating? Yeah, she was dating Chase Crawford, who was like the it, like hot guy, you know, peak, you know. Gossip girl. Yeah. Like couldn't be cooler. So she wasn't like, oh, poor Spencer. Like. Right. There was not that energy. I love hearing you say that though, because I always felt that vibe from Heidi, but they always cast her as this damsel in distress, like Jordan's being mean to me. And then she meets you and it's like, Spencer's being mean to me.

38:31I'm like, that's not the vibe I get from Heidi. So the problem with Heidi and I, we love making TV shows and doing what the producer is saying. Here's the problem with the Hills. all male producers east coast waspy freaking dudes that they're now in charge of representing young women in hollywood and they're putting their toxic male weird narrative spins that they that's not facts and it's not real life because i don't even think any of these guys date you know like they don't know maybe they saw it in a movie or something like they can't fathom a woman like spitting game on a guy and like change your number like fuck you way better show too it's like real heidi was i always say this people to this day like oh how are you still it's like because you don't know real heidi like you guys are all yeah like it's like it's you on your toes yeah like i'm they're not showing me begging her to be boyfriend girlfriend you know she's like i don't want that title like right you know like she was more yeah so yeah she's game she was a gangster like you know So now knowing that's actually a really great story that it goes all the way back to your mom looking at the TV and being like, oh, you should date this girl.

39:42And then you guys actually meet and you immediately have a vibe. What was your first impression of Lauren Conrad when you met her?

40:02what was your first impression of lauren conrad when you met her all right so let's do a disclaimer here for you know lc stands because they're always like oh my god he still has to talk about lc it's like no no i was connected to a television franchise and this is a co-star that is part of my fame people i would love to have never talked to her for about the rest of my life but i am a great guest and i am honest and truthful so there you go uh so that's for the comment section so i i mean nice nice girl like i we was all good to the point where i talked brody to breaking up with Nicole Richie to fake double date with LC.

40:45So like, that's the level of how I felt about it. Like, let me help make your life better by bringing the best looking guy in Hollywood right now, who all the girls want to date. I'll get him to break up with his celebrity, you know, superstar girlfriend. I will get him to come onto your show, pretend to be your, you know, interest to just everyone wins you know so like I was I'm a teammate I come from being on a team sport I didn't play tennis I didn't play golf like the team wins that's how I've always thought so I was like let's all win we'll double date and I was already in the you know game from like working with the paparazzi for princes of Malibu and setting up our shoots and so like I was like you know our first double date I had us coming out of the grove you know all due respect to Elsie she'd never been in a tabloid until I unlocked that for her and gave her the, you know, as a teammate, not, you know, I'm not, I don't want credit.

41:39I, I wanted us all to win. So I had our paparazzi. This is pre the entire world now does this. This was, this was vintage genius, uh, where you work with them instead of like hiding from them. Cause this one tabloids sold like albums, like you could Drake, you know, one week, 3 million sales on us week. Like this was superpowers that I knew understood. And I just watched a season two episode. Elsie knew because if you look at her on the couch, she has every tabloid in her lap. That's what she's reading. So don't be mad at me, girl. So we come out of our double date and I'm like, make sure you guys look to the left.

42:16You know, this is off camera. Just I'm really trying to like get us all to hang out and friends because now Heidi and I are seeing each other, not boyfriend, girlfriend. And she's like, what is, and I'm like, it's our camera. She's like, you called the paparazzi? I'm like, yeah, to get you in a match. so that was I was like oh you're not all there you know like don't have a full deck running here as you're trying to be on your second television show like it's not like I'm all for people who don't want to be famous but like you're on a second show like you spun off like I get like it fell into your lap in high school and it came to you and you auditioned but now you've spun off you you are choosing the path of fame so now I'm like so she from the jump kind of was weirded out like oh Spencer's like that's why she'll say things like I don't trust him it's like you didn't understand like I was ahead of this game like I already saw how this worked on a way bigger scale because I'm not from Laguna Beach you know like I'm from here and watching Paris watching how Nicole like Nicole's an actual you know we ended up having a falling out or whatever miss I was misquoted I think well you can uh but she's a genius so like she's a fame genius so I studied under you know i'll call her a mentor in the in the fame game so i she just oh she's as she she knows the game that's why paris called her smartest friend to be her teammate she didn't call kim you know like hey you want to you know but so uh back to like you know everything we're best friends she's like you want to meet my dad but eventually the brody couldn't play pretend anymore yeah I wasn't saying fake date LC that wasn't the initiative like I was like this would be great like Heidi's cool their roommates like I was hoping it worked out it didn't work out from night one you know like so once she was on to that she wanted her amazing wingman which I under wing woman totally get Heidi to not be with me so her selfish motivations she can put it on all these reasons of like oh I don't trust him or look at she knew Heidi like she knew Heidi's game that she knew about this and we know her these girls were not victims okay they had their own television show they were in the right in the heart of hollywood they're going out every night getting tables these aren't these like pilgrims that like we're like oh he's poor little innocent right you know yeah these girls are savvy and i didn't get raised on being on television while 16 17 like you're a veteran at this point like yeah I understood the back side of like tabloids and media but when it came to making a tv show and like murking out people and like yeah you know what comments say this like this is a black belt level yeah with regard to your relationship with Heidi how did you guys separate reality from reality tv to keep your relationship healthy thank god the show was so fake that it was you know every time now and then Heidi would get a little too drunk like like one time in area like she knew I told her like we're gonna call these playmates I'm gonna bring these girls and she knew and she's like I'll meet you there and then drunk Heidi's like asshole and like you know like and she really got all up in her feelings you know as you know because she's like I don't even want that you know but that's the problem when you and play reality like there's times where you know it affects you in real life so thankfully it was so fake that all the fighting and everything was so like planned and rehearsed and scripted that it didn't and then the other thing is we lived in my parents house in the palisades like in my high school room like so we leave hollywood and just go have our simple you know life and uh you know we weren't up in the scene like it looks so like we never lived in that apartment that we filmed in or that house we filmed in.

46:05So I imagine it would have been harder if we were immersed in that world and these were our real friends and our real relationship. But you guys really took a turn to be like the most hated couple in the world. And Heidi got all the surgery. Did you ever try to convince Heidi not to get surgery? No. One thing I never tried to do ever with Heidi and what people don't understand is like, Heidi's the boss. Like I work for Heidi to this day. like that's this whole like i can't you know like that's people who really know the inner workings of our relationship like like excuse my french like i'm the pussy whip like you know like it's not like oh heidi i think you should do this like heidi came from a little town in crested butte with dreams of being a star like she like so no i never told heidi what to do because i've just I was I was just filming her she's like put the camera on me cameraman like you know if you watch the footage like I'm just her cameraman I said to her yesterday I'm like I'm literally your cameraman so yeah also let's rewind to surgery because it's in tears first time she even got the idea of getting surgery was Us Weekly approached her and was like hey we have this top plastic surgeon wasn't even in her head you know that wants to do you know we'll give you a nose job and implants and Heidi's like in there like this would cost 50 ,000 whatever and Heidi's a hustler and she's like 50 ,000 for free and this us weekly is coming to me I'm not gonna say his name Ken came to her um and so you know yeah you know and she'd grown up getting made fun of about her nose her whole life you look this was early day comment section every single comment I'm always like don't read that as just saying she has a Jay Leno chin and so she's now in her head of all these things this early you know comment section so that she has this meeting with this top you know rest in peace dr frank ryan he's dead but she has a meeting with him and he she's showing he's showing her all the a-list superstars all the things he's done but you know sign top secret they're not telling anyone it's just she's realizing this is the game so she does the nose job boobs it's not the end of the world people don't you know people she didn't have to tell the truth also like yeah this time I'm not going to say other big pop people were literally without a doubt.

48:27God knows jobs. Got it. Like that was standard operating procedure. But I do just honest. Like I'm going to tell people this is what I did, which, you know, I'm like, I don't care, whatever. Like keep in mind, I've already dated Heidi for so long in love already felt like this isn't like, Oh, this is what you need to do now for us to be like, we're already battling the world. Like this isn't going to change our relationships. I'm like, I don't win, win. I don't care. Either way, whatever. Do what you want to do to your body. I'm scared of me. I can't even get shots. So it's way past my world of knives.

49:03So all good. The follow-up, the one that people all freaked out on, I'll never forget. I even have it on video. As she's going in, because when she was doing her Miss Universe, she got elbowed by one of the backup dancers, and they hit her nose. It's like dead in. They're going to pop it out, whatever. so she goes to have like that done that morning he's like hmm while you're under we you know we could just little and i hear the word minor so many times it's like it's so early in the morning when you drop these people off for surgery it's like i'm not even thinking i hear minor started just like i don't i hear she's already got lip injections that seemed minor like oh minor and you hear the word injectable and this it's everything's minor and he just had this blue pen and he's just like like there's a lot of blue neither of us are thinking like oh my god he's like this is minor is the word we heard a million times cut to like the most traumatic so no it was not like a positive time that's also just so crazy to hear you talk about it too because of like how manipulative and really scary like when you're young you don't understand and these doctors should do a better job of explaining like the fact that they said minor to you and you're like it was in the morning also the fact that you're like it was the day of and they're like we can just do this like we'll scoop out your back we'll pin back your ears we'll and he's saying the price of each thing and like back to heidi who's like a banker he's like this is 25 i mean it was like a quarter million dollars when he like he's like and all cross all this was like out of like a movie where he like you're like shopping for clothes and they add it all up and he's like void zero dollars so It's like in her head, in this business.

50:42It's like a business deal. They're like, oh my God. It's like a bargain. He's giving me a quarter million to like make, and this is what, I'm not going to name stars, but this is what all they did, but they spread it out. Like everything she did is like standard A-list. Totally. I'm not naming the women, but. But it's obvious. This is standard A-list women, but once a year, you know, you don't knock it all out. Right. You don't drop it off at the body shop. What do you miss about being one of the most famous couples in the world at the time? Oh, just the money. Yeah, like I would, if you asked me to never be famous or just be rich, I would, I thought being famous was the easy way to get rich.

51:21Like if I put the amount of energy as I put into being famous as just like doing like a normal rich person job, like a banker, like I would be rich. So, yeah, like how he like getting just paid by Coca-Cola to hold a Coca-Cola. He's$10 ,000. Like, like what? You know, so like that level of like, why do you want to be famous? Like because that it's so hard, but it's so easy when you're like in the when you're getting the checks. Like at one time we were making a million dollars. You're selling our paparazzi photos, like going and looking cheesy, you know, like dressing up in dumb little like Easter.

52:00were bunny like so that part is yeah hands down that makes sense so people hated you more than people who murdered people you were more hated than oj simpson at one point and casey anthony yep how did that make you feel at the time well at the time it was a victory because david foster had put me into the game by he knew simon cowell i didn't watch american idol and he was like spence once the fox started going he's like you need to be the young simon cowell's like who like he's like the like the hated guy the villain the like you know I was like gotcha like sounds sounds easy coach put me in so I there was no social media I was so naive to think and I thought everybody knew Hollywood was just lights camera action fake as could be I didn't understand middle America this was bible you know like this was you know the holy spirit over here and I'm over here just trying to get ratings bonuses like if we ever got to five million I got a million dollar check just that day so no matter what I'm reading I'm over here like chasing a million dollar one like we're like at 4.2 four but I'm like oh what could I do to get to that million dollars to do what I'm already doing that night so my mindset at that point at one time I had like hatespencerpratt.com where like you could go and like comment like I hate like I thought it was so fun and like ridiculous until you know i started driving around and like everyone was just flicking me off out windows i was like oh my god like who's watching this show like chill like i thought this was like a fun like party show like why you guys isn't the news on like aren't we in iraq like isn't there a war like i just never understood because i came from like play pretend with the princes and everything and i just thought you know so no you understood what you were doing and then when people did it and they thought it was real you were like wait guys yeah and i'm in cowl yeah i know no and like brody will say to anybody else like spencer planned every single like he's a witness to like the pre yeah like the the blueprint like i executed it too well you know and here's how they got me and this is how the predatory producer you know and me being naive and Heidi just hit me with this and I was like oh my god I'm so triggered by that quote they were always saying um we're gonna uh this is your redemption arc we're gonna redeem so I'm always chasing like you do this and then we're gonna so I'm like I like this but it's like I should have been like watch Batman I'm like there's no way the Joker is getting redeemed like part three you know like like I just I just like oh yeah that sounds great you're gonna redeem me yeah what season four like whoo so like I I fell for that just con which you know that's the problem when you're 23 and you do think you're smarter than everybody which I obviously was not that I just got you know I thought I was in with everybody and I'm working with this producer that I already made this show with but it's like oh no they were sailing me off the waterfall like Niagara and you know I didn't care because they're also blood money paying you know we're the highest paid people on television at this time so i'm i'm going i had a million dollar suit collection not even wear suits and then i gave them all to my friend who was a real estate agent shout out mikey p and you know so like like because i was like what do you do with all this money you buy a suit so it's a rich no oh no no buy gold that's what i would say that's the one thing i did it was smart at one time i bought like all this gold so i carried a backpack around with like half a million gold coins just like because you can't spend gold you know like it takes it would keep you in line what about a business manager we had a problem with business managers let me tell you not only do they take they take five percent of all the money you spend because they have to like do the math for it oh so be careful with a business manager because they love you spending money that's their favorite was your friend you're like i can't spend this yeah i should have bought more of it right Right, right, right.