Taylor Frankie Paul: The Next Bachelorette

0:02what is up daddy gang it is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy Taylor Frankie Paul, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you. I think let's just get right into it. Okay. You are on Call Her Daddy, so we can officially announce that you are this season's bachelorette. How are you feeling? To be honest, surreal. It has not hit me right now in this moment. I'm just thinking about it, and it's not real. It's not real. And it's not going to be until I think the limo is pulling up, you know, and I'll be like, meeting the people. So nervous. How did I get here? Like, in my head, I'm like, how is this happening?

0:50That is my little, it's my answer. Well, I would also say, like, I think people are going to be so shocked and surprised for multiple reasons. First being that this was supposed to be the season of The Bachelor. Like, there is supposed to be a man that's sitting there right now that I'm announcing. And instead, it's you, which is the best surprise ever. But how did it get to be you? I'll give my perspective. I don't know like how that worked out in my favor. But I was, I made a TikTok actually being like, you know, well, because people are like, you should go on The Bachelor. And obviously my relationship was not, you know, it didn't work out or it wasn't working out.

1:27And people could see that. And like, you should just, you know, go on The Bachelor. I used to see like little side comments. So I made a funny video. And this was actually three years prior. I made the same video, but I was like, hey, I'm single. I think I'm looking for someone. That's what the TikTok saying. I hope someone will take me. You know, I'm on probation. I'm also this and all these things aligned that actually had been. It's like a Lindsay Lohan TikTok. I've seen it. So and then I literally was like, ah, this is funny. Bachelorette, send it off. And then once I did, like people started tagging like the Bachelorette, like you should, you should, you should.

1:55And then I don't know if that got their attention or someone was like, yeah, maybe. And then it was mostly it was a joke to me, like unattainable. Right. I don't think I'm never going to be the bachelor but I'll make a fun tick tock yeah and then I think yeah I heard there was some talking and then it was like we had a meeting and then I still didn't believe it until like I got the invitation of will you be our bachelorette and I was just like I was same thing shaking pacing back and forth I was like there's no way there's no way when they offered it to you did you have any hesitations um yes okay yes to me about those I did I was I guess going in my head I'm like okay how do I make this work I'm a co-parent I have two baby daddies not one so i'm dealing with two different people right my children my home base is here uh can i travel that long can i be gone that long but then i'm also thinking on the side i'm like i have the other two moms you know that are in my group are doing dancing with the stars and they brought their family out but also they have their husbands with them so for me i'm like is this possible for me to do like as a single mom can i make it work realistically no matter how much i want this and you know i was like i can if i want to i can you can do anything you want if you want.

3:04And it's that's it comes down to that. So I was just like, I will make it work. I have a team of people that I don't think I utilize. Like, you know, I can have them and, you know, help. I can ask for help more. And I don't, you know, usually. But I came to a point where I cannot do all of this alone. So, you know, I hired all my family assistant nanny and I was just like, we're going to do it. I mean, it's such a huge opportunity. And I also recognize that the double standards of being a woman and a mom versus being a man and versus being a father. It's like the dads get to just go and everyone's like, oh, he's like thriving.

3:37And if a mom ends up doing something for herself, it's like there is a double standard of like, you're such a bad mom. How could you do this? So I do appreciate you sharing that. But there's like a lot of conversations that had to be had in order for you to think about taking this journey with yourself because it also involves your family. Yes. What was your family's reaction when you told them? also i think very like shocking it took a minute for people to actually like was it is this an idea or are you getting it it was the same thing like and i think once it actually we saw all the roses and whatnot then it was like oh oh and they're all excited my mom obviously my mom was like i think this is a great opportunity this is something so new for me because obviously i got married young uh divorced and then the first guy i met was the next relationship so i have not done the whole meeting new people out the same like dating at the same time i don't know you know how the bachelor works you're dating right like several people and so i've never done that so that will be new to me you've never had a roster no you're not the biggest roster is it registering to you no i'm how do people do it that's what i've been asking because i've been asking guys like how do you guys do it you i know you guys like date girls and i've had flings sure when i was younger but i'm like this is like different like do you not feel bad like that's gonna be really hard for me like make hurt people's feelings like what if you do like two people uh it's gonna be fascinating to watch and I think something that we're all very excited about is you are the first bachelorette in the history of the entire franchise to be coming from not the franchise like you have not been a part of this you're coming in fresh you have no experience with this format like what do you think is going to be the biggest adjustment for you all of it clearly okay I'll be honest I've seen the show I've seen some you know I like I know the Hannah Brown and like Colton I've seen more of like I would say the more recent years but I am not a reality tv girl so I don't watch reality tv so when people are talking about all the huge stars that people know you probably know all of them you know and I'm like it's new to you that is like sometimes I'm on a billboard and I don't know who I'm next to besides like Kardashian, which I still I don't I haven't watched TV.

5:49So it's not like anything against them. I just I'm not I like I like to leave my reality. My life's kind of crazy. So I like to watch the scripted of where I can like leave where I live reality TV, right? Like that's my life. Cameras are not is chaos, you know, as you guys. I mean, some people have seen. We've we've all seen it. But I also think something that I think is exciting. And when you're saying that is that exact fact that you aren't familiar completely with the format. And I think what I'm excited for you and ABC to do is like, let's lean into that, right? Like, let's see these moments where previously people will be like, well, I was a contestant and I know how to act on a group date.

6:26And now when I'm the bachelorette or the bachelor, I know how those things go. You're going to be like, I have no idea what's going on. And I'm just going to go by what I feel, which I think is another part that's going to really excite people and make the viewing experience different. Yeah. Like I don't have like I don't have notes of like how this works or what because my friends have seen it. We were practicing a rose ceremony and they had they're all there with their pretending to be the men. And I'm like, OK, William. I was literally practicing and I was giving us. She's like, no, you don't do that before you like do that after.

6:59And so I was like, oh, I was like, OK. You're going to be like, what's your name over there with the black shirt? Yeah, you get a rose. I'm sorry. Like you with the blue eyes. Get over here. I'm like, is there a name? Is there a name in here? Like, I don't know. That's the thing is I don't know. And that's, I know like some, but not to the extent of like my friends. They knew what they were doing. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm going to ruin it. You're not going to ruin it. You're going to make it your own. And I think that's why this season, like the world is about to freak out when they find out that you are officially The Bachelorette.

7:28I do have to ask because obviously people are obsessed with the secret lives of Mormon wives. Can we confirm you are still going to be on that show? yes we're doing both yeah um your fame has been such a topic of conversation with the other women on mom talk throughout this entire ride how do you think being the bachelorette will impact those friendships I would think sorry just leave out a CMA but like you're like you're gonna go for a PR answer like I think they'll be happy for me and then i'm like bitch no no no okay learning lesson for all of us i will say including myself in that moment i was a little upset within the 24 hours we've already discussed that okay enough but um i think most of them are going to be happy for me and support me i i can't speak for everyone and what they actually truly think you know you never really know but i think we're all kind of doing our own things and so that's nice that everyone's getting their own shots.

8:31And so then you could be like more of like, it's not just about her, her, her, her. And so I love that two of our girls dancing with the stars. I'm so excited. I want to be at their first show. I've been so like, I wanted that for them because they wanted it most so much. And I like when they both got it, it was amazing. And then obviously you have Macy with her book tour coming up and she's going to be doing that. And probably other things that are in the works that I might not even know about. Wait, so have you told them that this is happening? Yes. All of them? I think, yeah, most of them. Yeah.

8:58I think almost all of them know. Yeah. All of them know. And did anyone give you a not so positive response? No. All positive. All positive. They're like, everyone was like, this is exactly like what you need. And I think it's more so like, get out of the cycle you've been in. Like, obviously, I've been kind of repeating the same things. And it's just like, it's uncomfortable. It's unknown. But do it, you know? So you don't think anyone's going to be having side group chats about this? I mean, I won't. I can't say, but I don't know. I don't know. I guess we'll see on whatever season we'll be on, you know, like, I don't know.

9:32Fair.

9:49Okay. We need to talk about some pictures that you recently posted of a man with a guitar. Okay. The internet was absolutely freaking out when you kind of, they thought soft launched this relationship with this man. What is going on, Taylor? Okay, so here's the thing. It's me. I do curveballs all the freaking time of being like, what? And I know that's people's reaction. That's the freaking point. And it wasn't a soft launch, whatever. I've met the guy twice. And so it was funny. I thought the ABC is literally like code red, code red. What is she doing? They're probably like, wait, wait, what's going on?

10:31No, they did. Right. They're like, wait. So like, what's I'm like, guys, it's OK. Like I do this all the time. I like to know. I like to just like what's going on? Like, I'd like to confuse people. It's fun and it's entertaining. I don't know. So I guess I didn't really think that went too much through because I'm like. But and then I said, OK, I can understand how this looks. But to be honest, I'm going to be honest. I met him twice. likable guy. He's great. Are we official? No, I don't know the guy. Right. Or is it a relationship? Nothing along the lines of like people soft lunch. Like I don't know him, you know?

11:07So why did we post a photo of him? Well, I see. It wasn't real. You didn't know who it was. Really? So like what's going on? You know the internet though. They like sleuth so hard. I think they found him. I didn't know it would be like FBI. I was like, oh shit. Oh shit. Okay. but it doesn't matter same it's the same story like he's a great guy he's nice he's like respectful and i wanted to some like i wanted to date a little bit before and that's the point is like i haven't dated like i need to get back into it and um that i mean don't people date before they go on a dating show that's the point and so and so you guys just had like a maybe like a summer fling situation not even not even not it's so i don't think people know how like recent this is Where do things stand between you guys?

11:50Does he know you're going on The Bachelorette? Okay. So he's not from Utah. He's from a different state. And so I was like, hey, I don't know you. You don't know me. We seem like we vibe. Come visit. Wait, how did you meet him? Okay. At TikTok Live, he was singing and playing guitar. And he doesn't normally, I don't think he's, it was like new to him too. So I was like, dude, this guy's got a voice. And I've never sat and watched a TikTok Live really, nor do I write on them. Okay, so I was the one who was like, you have a really good voice. Can you play this song? And he's like, oh, hey, Taylor.

12:19Okay, get this. It's actually a fun story right here. So he you can't go in when you're on a live. You can't look at people's like who they are. Technically, you can see the name. So I was like, I was like, that's a good song. He's like, hey, Taylor, like, where are you from? And I was like, Utah, Mormon State, you know, blah, blah, blah, like teasing. And he's like, oh, yeah, my ex girlfriend used to watch that Mormon wife or the the Mormon wife show. And I was like, oh, I made an appearance in at one time. And he was like, no way you did. and so I was like literally just like teasing him and then he ended up looking me up after the fact and probably was like oh she was just like totally bullshitting me and he was like what the fuck oh my god so he flew out you guys hung out twice yeah it's only been twice okay how would you feel oh if he showed up though okay this season okay going back to your original question like I did tell him I was like when he got here I was like oh by the way I'm doing the bachelorette and he was just like oh like that's like for there's no feelings there so it's like cool and then he obviously he was like oh i think i was like would you ever do it the next time he came i was like would you ever do that come on and he's like i don't really want to date on like reality tv like he's just like a good soul and for me all my friends were like green flag green flag the fact that he didn't hop onto that right that he wasn't like oh sign me up tell the producers to put me on yeah it was like he's like go do your thing you know if you meet someone we weren't meant to be and if not like maybe i'll be here and i'm like oh you're like mature okay i can't help but be like why do i want him to like come halfway through and crash the season and show up okay so i did i did have that thought i was like okay so he he has all these like these high so at least i know that there's a good guy there and it's like maybe i do meet someone and that wasn't meant to be but like let's just say i don't like anyone because i've i asked that i was like well what if i don't find someone like how does this work like do i like well if you don't find someone you don't find someone that's that and um so if let's say we're down the line i'm like still not feeling it then he I was like would you be open to it and he's like if it's at the very end and you still had your mind on it then yeah I'd be open to it I think though what's exciting for you Taylor is like you just said because I've been there when you have only had like two serious relationships truly and you get out and you have the mindset like I'm about to start dating at first it's terrifying because understandably we're all our own worst enemy and we're like oh my god I'm gonna be so awkward and like how do I like flirt and how do I be cool and whatever but then when you start to find your groove, you it's like fun and you actually enjoy yourself.

14:42And then you start to be like, wow, I have these options and I can, you know, do whatever I want to do. And so as much as it's exciting with him, I love that you were like, I just realized there's a nice guy out there that has like green flags. What a concept. And I have a feeling that when you get to the mansion, you're going to find a lot of those and you're going to be like, wait a second, this is what it's supposed to feel like. I should be courted. I should be treated well. I should have all these great experiences and I'm excited for you to experience that. So yes, we like him, but I think it's going to be exciting to also see how many other guys you end up liking.

15:16Yes. And I also, yeah. And another guy, you know, I was like asking for advice from him and he was just like, you don't have to be so quick to close. Like it's like, there's like this timeline, like, cause he was going to take me out on a date with, and I met Dakota and then he was going to take me on a date now. And then he saw it. He thought like, are you dating people? Like he's like they're what's the why is it so fast on the closing you know and i'm like that's a good question he's like ask yourself that and one make them work for it like make them work for it like show them and if you are if they like like you and you're dating other people then they're gonna step up their game really you just mentioned dakota let's let's talk about your ex dakota you're like did i say that it was eventually gonna come up let's be honest um a huge storyline of secret lives was your relationship with your ex Dakota this past season I'm assuming going on the bachelorette means that you two are done for good yeah yes it's over it's over and we'll see that play out okay yeah who made the final call to end it I didn't so you officially think it's over with him I don't think I know okay yes um when was the last time that you guys hooked up yeah um let me think on that one actually you're like alex it's like sweating you're like is this color daddy where am i what's happening no i can't remember at the top of my head to be honest age coach oh yeah that might have been maybe one after maybe one after maybe one or two okay maybe a couple after yeah okay again it's just it's just it was it's been very confusing if i'm being honest and i did want to end up with him that was no secret to anybody it still isn't it wasn't a secret and i'll always admit that to whoever asked me did i love him absolutely i had a baby with him i wanted to be with him but it just did not work out there were certain things that are forever closing for me.

17:14And again, everyone will see that. And I can't speak on that yet, but it closed the book for me, but it was really hard to let go. That was a hard pill to swallow that I can't be with you now. And there was no pain like it. I will say that was one of the hardest, this last summer was one of the hardest summers I ever had because I was like, oh my gosh, Taylor, you have to accept that you're not ending up with him. And to walk away from someone you initially wanted is a pain that I can't describe to anybody unless you probably if someone's done it. It yeah so it it was hard to let go fully and it's like when oh but did you hook up and this and that and it's like yes I loved I loved him like I I wanted to be with I can't I won't be with him but that was a hard one to I I had to let go and it was hard.

18:02Dude I think it's so hard and I think a lot of us have been in those type of relationships where it ends so poorly but then there's still a part of you when you were the one that was like hurt and done wrong where you're like I want to still like have a couple last moments with you because like fuck I wish this didn't end the way that it did yeah you know what I mean yeah like it's hard to let go like it is like I oh I want I wanted this like and it's not that easy to be like okay if you yes you do say that but like it still was not easy and I did have those back you know those setbacks and I I won't lie about them like I had them and I love that you're being honest though because girls watching and listening like we've all been there where you're like okay how am I going to tell my friends that we were just together last night and you're like sitting there in the morning being like okay I'm just gonna tell them I'm just gonna tell them and and we've all been there so you almost can't judge yourself because that just means like you still need a little bit more closure and that's okay.

18:57And a lot of times I actually really believe it takes finding someone new. Yes. Because when you're just still in that rhythm, it's so hard to be like, okay, so now I'm just going to go sit in my room and stare at the ceiling. Literally. If you don't have a guy taking you on a date that you actually like. Yeah. I now understand that because my friends were like, you just need to like get under someone else. And I'm like, uh, maybe not. Like I was like, I don't want to go that route this time. Like I don't want to do that. And I didn't to an extent of I don't that wasn't my intention but to have maybe a new crush that you know distracts you or you there are other guys out in the world you have to remember that because you you hone in you're like no one else no one else but there is and you did that and you were like wait green flags I'm having a great time yeah I'm like oh my gosh guy yes okay we have you told Dakota that you're going to be the bachelorette I have not confirmed it with him So I don't know if he knows or if he knew I had the opportunity.

19:53I haven't taken it. He doesn't know as of. So he might know when does this come out? Wednesday. Yeah. So he'll know Wednesday. How do you think he'll react? I think probably sad. If he, I guess, if anything he says is real, I would say sad. He does know that I was dating and, you know, meeting people. So that we've already had that that first hurt, I guess. I think that's the hardest part is you see their first dating or hookup or whatever it is. That's going to always like take a toll no matter what. And I can even say it with my ex-husband. Right. It was always the first are just like, whoa, you know.

20:28But this is like official. Like you're moving on. Do you think he'll watch? Yes. I think he's always watching as of now. And maybe and maybe it takes him to like someone new and focus on her. And then maybe it'll be different. I can't say. But OK. Okay, well, now that you will be announced, they can finally start casting the men for your season. I want to walk through what your dream man is today. Okay? Okay. We're going to start with age. What is an ideal age range for you? I prefer, I think, see, I'm at 30s, early 40s. Youngest is the late 20s. But I think preferably 30s. How much younger would you go, you think?

21:1327, 28, the lowest. Lowest, lowest. And what is the highest you would go? Probably 42, 43. So that's about a 10-year difference. Does he have to be willing to move to Utah? Yes. Yep. I mean, I'm sorry if that is a make or break for them. But yeah, I am in Utah and I have two baby daddies. I'm going nowhere. So you will be moving to me in Utah. So if you like me enough, you will be moving. You will be moving. hey utah's pretty cool it is not that bad um what is an ideal career for him like what i like what what do you want him to do oh see that doesn't doesn't matter doesn't matter obviously i want him to be like hard-working motivated like i'd prefer that i don't you know want just someone that's not right because you're also like i have three kids and i don't want to be the i don't want to be mom and dad like that's what i am now and it's really hard and yes they have their dads but i'm speaking in my own home right like i'm doing a lot of things besides my support of my family but at nights it's me i have to wait to they go to bed to have a shower like things you typically can do i can't do until i have a helping hand so um yeah i just want them to be like willing would you be down for like an influencer social media creator type person i would i'd be open to it preferably not but i would be open to it would you be okay if you remain the breadwinner yes yes um okay what does his ideal date night look like like what are you hoping he's doing on a date night for you see that changes that switches up because i do love obviously if you were to surprise me with the cute like let's say a out fun activity date that's awesome but to be honest like i also love a really chill date so if we were just to go grab freaking fast food somewhere put on our crocs and sweats and go and get to know each other and just talk for hours and hours.

23:06I love that because you're getting to know them. I don't really want to jump into, I've done the whole jumping into like either if you're just like hooking up and I always regret that because it's like we, I just gave you a really special thing, you know, and that I like to lead up to that. I want to do that. And then also get, I love communicating and talking, not just like you can go distract yourself with the games, arcades, jet skiing, whatever it is. Sure, those are fun and I want to do those, but I also, I want to get to know you. I'm excited though, you saying that because I think that will play really well into The Bachelorette because although the format is so beautiful and romantic and you're doing these incredible extravagant trips, when it comes down to it, the way that you actually find your people by the end is by having very intimate conversations.

23:50Although you'll be like on a fucking Ferris wheel or some shit in the middle of France, you're going to be like, okay, wait, no, but tell me about your life. Literally. And I'll be asking details that they don't like to, I make them very uncomfortable. I've learned and I asked the nitty gritty I'm like so um your last girlfriend like um why did that end and what like what's the last position like what like I literally like to it's weird like it's not even you can call it I just like to know and I'm teasing to that extent right if I'm knowing girl are you kidding me literally when I met my husband I was like let's talk about every single girl you've ever dated in your life he was like you're insane I was like I know no but actually tell me yeah no seriously I like to know like the background of you and not even And just girls, but your family, like even church will be a fun one to like learn about new churches because I'm open to any religion.

24:34Like. Okay, wait. So confirming, does he need to be Mormon? No. Have you told your family that? Yes, I preferably not. Okay. I mean, I'd be open to Mormons. I'm still, I'm obviously because I'm, I'm Mormon, but like I, he doesn't have to be. Okay, it's night one. He's walking out of the limo. What do you want him to be wearing ideally? Don't they all kind of have to wear tux? well uh i feel like as the night progressively goes on some of them are showing up in like swim trunks it gets a little crazy you want them in a tux oh that or i would actually be fine with like jeans and it's you're like wear your sweatpants and your crocs if they know me if they've done studies on me they know that they are like i can show up in crocs and she'll be watch every man shows up in fucking crocs um what is something at an entrance moment with a guy that would be an immediate no oh that's a good one i have not thought that far an immediate no okay honestly this is a big ego and you can tell that off energy and so if someone's like and i know they're trying to impress there's a difference i think between impressing and you can just tell their ego so if i feel like it's a really strong one to me it's gonna be like like I think it's unattractive I completely agree okay as I said the entrances progressively get more and more and more insane and like shit gets really weird how would you feel if a guy rolls up and performs a strip tease I would actually probably low-key love it it'd be entertaining like I'm like it would probably you know switch up the night yeah because you know you're probably doing some of the same like getting to know you and then someone just comes and strips I'm like hell yeah let's switch it up let's go he'd probably get it he'd probably get a is it everyone gets a rose yeah he's not going home night one oh my god okay i can't wait that doesn't mean everyone comes stripping okay i can only handle one of that one boy yeah okay he comes in jeans no shirt on a horse and then lassos you in definitely he's not going home night one either dude we're giving everyone the playbook they're all gonna roll up i'm upset i'm an open mind too I love it.

26:44And you're also down to have fun, which I think is good. Yeah. Okay. Last one. He pushes a stroller up the driveway, looks you in the eyes, and says he's ready to be a stepdaddy. He might get that impression rose. The stroller wins. He gets the first impression rose. Okay, maybe not that far, but he's not going home 9-1 either. So he's getting the rose. Yeah. Okay, people, like you had mentioned, you know, you don't need the guy to be Mormon, which I think a lot of people were probably wondering, right? Because you're on a show called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and you are Mormon. But I think you have been criticized for not being Mormon enough because of the way that you live your life publicly.

27:25What is your take on that? um so for me i always say i actually just had posted a tiktok and there was a comment saying like hey like you don't have to be in this cult religion to be to find happiness because i'm in the video i'm reading the bible and it's the bible not the book of mormon is what i'm not reading in the video so just make that clear um so to me just to have those foundations and i do preferably want someone that you know does believe in god right because when you're raising your children and it can get confusing when one doesn't and one doesn't. I do think about those things and that's where I also like I'll try to get to know them and where they stand on that.

27:59But I'm also I am up for hearing their side of it because I have been also told, look, you believe so firmly in something and I can respect that. But there is also I don't believe in it. And maybe you can respect that because we both don't have proof on it. And it's that's where faith comes in. Right. There is. I can't show you that it's real, but I can only believe. And that's faith. And then also there's a point that he can't prove that it isn't right and so that I was like that's a good take on it like you're right I can't prove anything but I think the foundations of like even Christianity is kind of all like just the phone like love family service all the basics is what I really care about and how you treat other people I don't really care what religion you are how do you treat other people that is what I look at as you're saying that I'm curious like how has your family handled obviously with the success of the secret lives of Mormon wives the spotlight on you guys not being Mormon enough?

28:52Really? I think for the most part, well, obviously I am, I have the, the thick skin that I do because of them, because I, or I wouldn't, I don't think be here today with all of the criticism I've gotten, you know, so they've made us very tough and, uh, in a way of, yes, my mom was growing up very blunt and honest. And I think that's a good thing because I was able to take what I take on now today because I was always told the truth, even if it was the hard truth right and um they were pretty laxed i think they're very like we you know we just understand like people make mistakes and yeah people do all these things that mormons say oh that's not how we live that's not like yes it is yes it is some of us do it's just behind closed doors you're not willing to show it and that's why it broke the freaking internet because a lot of us do do those things but it wasn't it was very image based like this is how we live we do know oh yes everyone does any religion we all make mistakes we're all freaking human we're no better than anybody else but it pissed him off it pissed people off because it's like but that's not what we believe in okay it doesn't matter if i drink that doesn't make me a bad person if i smoke if i take a sip of coffee all the freaking rules it doesn't make me less of a person than you and that was the point of it and i still stand by that

30:18A huge part of the bachelorette is exploring your physical connection with the men on the season. How did growing up in the church impact your relationship to how you felt about sex? Very obviously taboo. So if I'm doing it, I'm not talking about it. I'm not telling my parents. I'm not telling anybody. I was very, I don't want to say secretive, but I was very like, oh, like I felt shame, guilt. so it's going to be a secret and that i think is where everything the irony in that is where i'm like when it my shit came out i was like but why hide it because i'm already doing it like so oh well just freaking own it at this point like um so yeah it's something obviously we're taught don't have sex until you're married and i have uh you know i go back and forth with this too with people's opinions because i see what they're saying obviously it does prevent a lot of things of like pregnancies or stds or just things that like you it does affect you if you're having sex right like but at the same time i hate that i felt like if i did do it you know i wasn't married that i'm this awful person and to sit in that shame and i've also done that like for an experience i have done that where i've cried after a lot and i'm like oh my gosh i did something so bad and like the guy was like really nice and he was just like but you you didn't you're not a bad person and he was trying to convince me and i'm like but i am and like it's just almost like you're you grow up with this um this guilt of it and i don't know if that's already just engraved in how we were raised but and that's no one to blame i think we were like obviously my parents their parents taught them that and so on and so forth and within our church i think a lot of lds members could relate to that like very taboo and when that would come up a lot of people are still uncomfortable like it's sacred and i do i do understand that too it's personal and some people it maybe it should to be personal too like me i think moving forward for me i don't probably want to be talking about my sex life to be honest i've been there i've done that i've broadcast it to the world and in so many different ways but i think moving forward for me and my piece i think that's something i do want to be personal with my next person and maybe not talk so much on it and maybe that's just something i've grown into you know so going on the bachelorette obviously the fantasy suites are this like huge conversation around each season um because you know we see you guys on go on dates we see everyone form these connections but then when you're down to three people the fantasy suites come into play have you thought about how you are going to approach them i have i have and i have it set down oh my god but i going prior to that so i don't know if you watched the kelsey season this they're the kelsey and joey oh okay yeah yeah i watched some of it okay so in the fantasy suites i it never they never talked about it and i wanted to know because yeah obviously he ended up picking kelsey but i'm like but did he sleep with all of them did he sleep with one two of them because he really you could tell he loves kelsey but for me obviously if someone had said they loved me and they slept with all of us i would it would be a deal breaker for me like it would be so i was so curious i'm like wait i need to know did he did they not and they never spoke on it which maybe out of respect that's something he didn't want to share and so i also respect that i'm like okay maybe he just didn't want his sex life being broadcasted and his him and his future potential wife you know so i kind of respect that too i there it was never said so for me uh i do know how i'm gonna go into that but i don't want to give that away yet right no that's fine that's fine um let's say that ended up happening you had two connections you or three and it ended up getting physical and then the men judged you for that how would you handle that moment obviously i'd feel lots of guilt i'd feel shitty and yeah how can you be telling these like if there's one specifically let's just say hypothetically i i'm telling one that i really that i want him in my head or i'm telling him maybe on there and then i do that to me it's like well you didn't like me that much because you wouldn't have risked me and so i've been on the I wasn't enough because you knew the risk of like if you did do this, potentially you could lose me.

34:24It's so hard though because as I'm – I agree with you because if I was in the position, I'd be like, wait, if I'm the front runner, how are you literally sleeping with this person? But what about me? I think where it becomes complicated – Is that what you signed up for? A little bit. And I guess my question to you would be I – and everyone's different, but I think a physical connection is so important in a relationship. True. True. And I think which is going to be interesting to see with your season is we can sit here all day and strategize and you can be like, Alex, I am going in and I have a plan that if I know my front runner, maybe I will hook up with them, but no one else.

35:01And then how many seasons have we seen where they're literally standing with the producers in the back room being like, I'm going to lose my mind. I love them both. Like, I'm literally in love with two people. What do I do? and if you're in that situation Taylor is it fucked up to be like yeah I do you have to find out then what the physical connection is because what if you are not as physically attracted or compatible with someone yeah I know and that's I'm not saying this is gonna happen no you know what I mean I feel that and it's funny because my mom's back right here watching because I've told her that and I'm like mom you have to test the car before like like how do you not know and like that's a huge thing in marriages and if you don't connect that could be a huge uh like issue down the road when you're married like and i do think that and so that's where it gets confusing for me because i'm like i understand the waiting game but in that situation per se three you know two three people for me i i would feel disrespectful doing it to two people and that's that's not to say like if there's another you know person doing that to each their own yeah i also think in previous um seasons the biggest note to anyone who has done that it almost hasn't even been about them doing it and that that's why people are mad it's the lack of communication that comes with that where it's like be straightforward be like i am i know this is the hardest thing to say i'm very torn right now and so like i need to explore both 100 in order to know at the end and like but people never fucking do that but i get it because it's so hard because you're in the moment and then words get jumbled and you're like okay so you're gonna try to be straight up Yes, I think like you just said be honest because I think I can go back from my own experiences of like The issue is what you didn't tell me like I was Blinded by it.

36:50That's where it hurts. It's like the betrayal of it So I think if you're straight up, but I also do think in my mind if i'm i'm trying to think of the flip side Let's say i'm one of the runner-up girls. This is the bachelor He likes me. He's telling me this and then he sleeps with all of us to me I'm, like but I wasn't that I wasn't your special one then i'm not that special because you just risked me and you just lost me. So I do see that. And maybe that's the wrong mindset, like going into this. I don't know. But for me, like, I think if you really, you're wanting one and let's just say, yeah, you are in love with both.

37:20But I think there is one you like more than the other. I agree with you. One has to be a front runner in your heart and in your soul. But I think it takes a lot to get to the point of how you know that person is the right one. True. Because sometimes you don't see people for a long time or you have more dates with one. True. Girl, I'm stressed for you. Okay, yeah. Honestly, I don't know. You're like, I actually take back everything I said. No, the thing is, because I've never experienced it. So when you're saying, yeah, you could say this all day, but you've never done it. So how do you know? And you're right.

37:48What would your reaction be if one of the guys that was a front runner said that he wanted to wait till marriage for sex?

38:02That's a hard one. i would respect it because i'm like oh you're being respectful but you're like my family would love you but but that gosh damn that's a hard one because like you said see i think there's a difference between but like i would be like okay if we were like the only ones and we were dating and we had time, but to be married, I would probably say I want to date. I also, if there's an engagement, whatever it is, a process, I still am taking my time with that too. So I'm not getting married tomorrow. So how long are you willing to wait? And so that could be an issue down the road. You, like we said, have been married and you've talked about in the past that you kind of felt pressured at that point in your life to get married.