Tish and Brandi Cyrus: Disney, Daughters & Divorce

0:02What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father Alex Cooper with call her daddy. tish and brandy welcome to call her daddy she's not even talking she's already i'm already going into my zone oh boy i am obsessed so tish is smoking a little weed if you're listening to this in the car you looked at me and you were like do you mind if i smoke i'm like come in the studio smoke a little bit because you saw wiz khalifa yes i did you're like I deserve this too but Brandy you're telling me to make sure that your mom keeps speaking yeah because she'll just keep smoking and keep smoking and then she gets to a point where she's literally mute and I'm gonna need a little water the water is next to you sometimes she either is mute or starts laughing and cannot stop okay laughing is better than mute on the podcast give us all the giggles tish okay give us the vibes she's taking off the shoes getting comfy she's getting comfy i'm ready to spill some tea oh okay i don't know if you are this is what she does she like tells the juiciest stories and then she'll go home late at night get high be isolated and get paranoid and be like cut it all no cut it cut it cut it i'm like we can't it's the funniest thing in the world like leave it i did that last night she did i'm gonna have to call you after and be like no tish we can't cut that and then i feel like i'm getting on the phone with you brandy because you're gonna be like i know it's hilarious keep it she's just high she's just high so i i already feel like i'm getting the dynamic from the two of you just watching this interaction but can you describe your relationship together

2:03you want me to go first you go first i mean i just feel like there's a role reversal here that it's been this way for a very long time where like somehow i'm the parent okay but let's okay except if like except if it's like really like something serious oh like what like i don't know like like it doesn't exist like a boyfriend thing or a work thing then i get serious and i'm very motherly okay you are but like on the daily i just like to have fun yeah yeah i would say like when noah because she's the youngest when noah moved out of the house and you became a little empty nester she just really decided go crazy she was going crazy I mean, I had five kids.

2:50Right. It is a lot. You were busy. I was busy. And now. And honestly, I'm so controlling that I had to control every aspect of their lives and be a part of it. And it wasn't just like, I mean, like I was in it. So you weren't the mean girl's mom vibe. No. You weren't like, here's a condom, sweetie. Like, no. Absolutely not to that. I feel like your cheer mom, that kind of came out a little bit. Yes. Because me and Miley, did Noah cheer? Yes. We all cheered at one point. Oh, sweet. when she was cheer mom oh I was a big cheer mom like what does a cheer mom look like like what is that what do you act like I think you just like I'm like my girl's hair needs to be bigger the makeup needs to be more and they need to be shaking the skirts need to be shorter it needs to be super short oh yeah oh my god yeah cheer mom oh I if I would not have come to LA I would have been a cheer mom yeah I could so see that now that you're describing it but I'm also like just getting to know you but like the personality is there on both of you but it is interesting to say like yeah brendy you're more like mom tone it down yeah tish is like whoa let's get it up and i was not like that okay i feel like you were as a teenager yes okay then you pulled it together yes and now we're we're back what is your guys favorite thing to do together shoot the shit yeah we talk constantly every day all the time yeah like besties i feel like you guys have the best girl talk sessions like I'm jealous like you guys have you guys can sit there for hours I feel like oh yeah hours and it's always gonna be juicy when they her and Molly I see them coming in hot together I'm like the tea is gonna be piping we'll do like like because I live in Nashville so we'll all get on FaceTime like the three of us and Miley's like so what's the tea and I'm like what do you got I need something piping and then we'll all start just like gossiping and usually it's like we want the family tea you know like so can you guys just give me and you let's go through the family tree just so someone listening that may be new here to the cyrus family oldest to youngest sibling go yes brandy trace molly brazen noah oh my god slow down yeah okay you're the oldest i am what was brandy like as a kid honestly kind of perfect she honestly she is just so together and the one thing I will say is that like all five of my kids are from me and they're all so sickening that I just think it's my gene that gives all of them their sparkle look at her little like pop of the shoulder like honestly this I she loves to take credit she is so smart it freaks me out okay but here's the thing I was the oldest or I was the first one so like they were just stricter with me you know I was expected to get straight A's and I was expected to go get a job at 15 and I was just expected to do all these extracurriculars which I did and then I feel like with each kid you got a little less strict a little more lenient and by the time she got to Noah like Noah got to do whatever she wanted as an oldest child I'm so curious because I'm the youngest do you get resentful of that factor of like what the hell why did they get to run around I did when I was younger for sure like I remember kind of when Miley was going to the stage of like first boyfriends and stuff like I got in so much trouble she took my car away because I was like seeing a guy she don't want me to see at 16 17 looked out the window and they were we were making out on a trampoline okay well what'd you catch like really do it Miley got away with a lot let's just leave it at that I was furious and I was mad do you know why I was mad this is therapy do you know why Molly got away with a lot is because I just this is this is therapy and therapy like I looked at kids honestly like Lindsay Lohan I know I know that's fair like and Molly got finally had money like that and so like if I would have been so hard on her she would have moved out that's true but instead I made her live with me until she was 18 and I had to be more flexible because if I wasn't then she would have just been well I'm moving out it's also hard I feel like because I have an older sister and like she had to get a phone with like she'd got a phone in like high school I got one in seventh grade like it just gets a little easier as the kids like it's just the younger get it a little it's so better so I'm so sorry Brandy that like Miley's over here getting away with shit you're like mom so much what the hell it's okay because I turned out great you did so we're okay with it but um but I do think that had a lot to do with why I'm so together and like i don't know like i more so than the others totally can take care of myself and like you have that like older sister energy do your siblings treat you like older sister energy oh yeah like if there's ever if anyone is in trouble i'm the one they're going to call yes over your mom yes depends on what it is sometimes sometimes sometimes if there's like a pr crisis who's getting called probably you if there's like a heartbreak who's getting called you yeah brandy maybe both probably both she'll call you and probably not get the thing she wants to hear from you oh yeah then she'll call me that's exactly how it works mom just doesn't understand that's exactly the honestly with everybody everyone calls you first and then they don't hear what they want so that's exactly how it works i feel like that's actually very relatable of like parent to sibling dynamics of like mom didn't give me what i need so peace the fuck out i'm gonna just pretend i didn't hear that one seriously ignore but then when we really need the mom's like oh you are the people exactly tish you're getting stoned right now yes yes can you talk to me about like have you always been a stoner i did not smoke pot until i was like was that what was bangers to her 12 years ago i always forget when was bangers like this is every day we ask when bangers was okay we need like 12 years 10 10 okay so this is crazy never smoked pot ever and honestly if i would catch my kids like trying oh like i literally was like it is the devil this is a gateway drug and i am free and so seriously she's not i am not exaggerating i would lose my mind and so but we were on tour and i was on i was not on some weird bus i was on like a brand new tour bus truly with noah and i think miley's manager was on there so like three people on this tour bus okay i am like going to sleep on the bus that night and literally it catches on fire though the bus literally like blows a tire we pull over to the side of the road the whole bus is on fire so i'm trying to get noah my little dog the manager like no kidding literally i had to try like three different times because he had taken Ambien to wake him up and I'm trying to wake him up we get off the bus and it like three minutes later exploded into flames everything I was in my pajamas like my computer everything burned thank god you also were like awake and not on something like I know like the oh my god okay which led me to um drugs I was it did so then while we were on to where I could not sleep on the bus because you were so anxious I got ambient and it made me feel so bad and Miley was like mom if you would just smoke weed that's how it started and I started smoking to go to sleep the tables have really turned though because now she's sober now she's sober and you're still kicking oh my god wait no I'm thinking about it too because I'm like Brandy you don't smoke again very on brand you're like mom I want to be in control I don't need that yeah although like she's just fully giving you secondhand smoke you're getting we're all high right now we're all lit yay yay but as you just said that because i'm thinking of you you said you were really strict parent growing up i can't help but think like the infamous photo i feel like i remember where i was when the fucking picture of miley with the bong comes out were you did you were you rip shit i was literally so angry you were oh you have no clue did your whole family even know that picture was coming out no no it was like i love how it's like the biggest fucking deal like so dumb but first of all she will molly would say this is like at that time it really truly honestly was salvia which is completely legal and you can buy at the grocery store right right right oh i do remember that and it wasn't even weed it truly absolutely was salvia and she lost a huge deal because of it like a huge deal and it said she wouldn't smoke and then that picture came out so it was like so dumb and it was salvia it's crazy all of a sudden let's talk about it because all of your lives changed obviously and brandy i want to hear from you a little bit of like you guys lived in nashville and then when miley got hannah montana you all moved to la from your experience like was it difficult to like pick up your life at that time and move were you excited was it hard so it was a little bit different for me than the rest of them because i had just graduated high school and i had already applied and gotten into college in tennessee and I did that to be close to home and so I'm going to college 30 minutes from the house and they're all moving to LA but like I was committed so I had to go um hated it worst year of my life it's so crazy and the minute I finished the year I moved out to LA why was it the worst year of your life you know I don't know because like in high school I was such a great student and did all the things and I I didn't hate high school I didn't love high school but I think I was so burnt out on like trying to like work so hard at school that by the time I got to college I was just over it and I had a really hard time making friends everybody partied I didn't um and then everybody left me and I was thinking like I'll be close to like family and friends and then they had all gone to California so my grades weren't good which was like a first for me in my whole life and I didn't really have like a major I cared about or anything so I think you were the one that said just finish the year and then you can decide if you want to what you want to do this is like therapy

12:43you she's never said this to me the day i finished school i like drove out to california i know but you i didn't know you were that sad yeah it sucked it was not every day sucked like there were good times laced into it for sure but just as a general arc i was like well i don't really know what i'm doing here and like they're all in california so now i'm just gonna go the homesick feeling was like your whole family had moved somewhere that like yeah you hadn't been but it doesn't matter where they are you were just like I want to go see my family yeah and it must have been weird because like it that is when all that started to blow up and the show got so big so like did you feel did you have FOMO at all um I wouldn't say I had FOMO necessarily I think it was just such a hard time like a hard age for me like that time of like you're supposed to know what you're what you want to do with your life and I didn't really yeah and just kind of being in the environment I went to MTSU and in Tennessee it's just a huge school um and I just didn't really have much direction and so then I went out to California and became friends with some girls that were also like in the Disney world Everlife and three girls that all play instruments and tour and sing and they opened for Miley um when she did the Hannah Montana stuff and they got me into playing music which was and that's kind of when I started to like find a little bit of direction obviously like you guys have a very interesting family dynamic because like I feel like a lot of times in a family there's like one person that gets famous and there's your whole family is famous essentially and I think back to those original Hannah Montana days where like your Billy Ray and Miley were playing a father-daughter dynamic and I'm curious like did you guys have any concept that from that people would become so fascinated with your entire family off of a tv show there was no way to to know that I know like because even like and again for me I think it was a little different because I am the oldest like I was very aware of my dad's fame as a kid and I think differently than like you know Noah or anybody would be and so I understood like to me like the attention wasn't foreign right and all that because I'd experienced the craziness of the fans with my dad but like Hannah Montana was just different and I don't think anybody could have ever like anticipated it or you know thought like how big it would be and honestly it kind of was it felt like almost how achy breaky heart felt to us Yeah.

15:01And like, you know, when they were that age, it was such a phenomenon. And then so Hannah Montana came and it it became its own phenomenon. Totally. um you know and so it was like seeing that twice was really crazy even though you only really saw that like you know Miley and had never experienced that as much you guys remember a moment we were like oh our entire family's life has changed like is there like a turning point or like an event or like something in media that happened the only time and it wasn't as much about the family is it was um Miley and we Miley and I had gone to the mall and what a time it's like what a time and honestly I think we were in Victoria's Secret and I think she was 12 so love it you know what it's it's all my fault no but anyway all of a sudden girls started coming in from everywhere and literally they had to get all of the mall security and lock us into victoria's secret and like get everybody to like and us go out the back and i was like oh my gosh and i really Hannah Montana had been out like three days and it was just immediately a phenomenon crazy and I was like oh wow like this is working in a big way of of course I remember reading it was like a GQ article and it was at the end of then Hannah Montana and Billy Ray came out and said that the show destroyed your family yeah and I'm curious like did you guys feel that way Absolutely not.

16:48Not at all. Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay. I mean, the family's not destroyed, first of all. Exactly. We're doing great. Yeah. But yeah, no, not at all. No, I just think he was having a moment. Because, I mean, it was, I'm trying to be politically correct. Stroper. I don't want to call you to not freaking out. I don't want you to call me either, Tish. Please pick your words. It's like 4 a.m. Kaylee's cringing. okay girl I just woke up did I say this and I'm like no yes um I mean he had done achy breaking and nothing else was working and then I brought Miley out to audition for Hannah and she had gotten it and then one of the casting directors said a joke like oh too bad we can't afford her real dad and I said oh maybe you can because we had just been in Toronto living because he had done another show in Toronto and so we all had to go back and forth and it was really hard on the kids and so I was like if Miley and Miley had already gotten Hannah and I was already stressed about like what are we gonna do like we I couldn't as a mom have half my kids in Tennessee and be out here with Molly.

18:05Like, I just could not do that. And so I was like, I have to bring all the kids. And so then that's when I said to Billy Ray, you should come audition for the dad. And because they love you and they're really interested, yes, it would be a pay cut, but our family could be together. Okay, this helps so much because I think, like, something I was going to ask you is, like, obviously you have five kids and this is such a big family. And, like, fame or not, I think no matter what, everyone that has siblings there's gonna always be the kid whether it's because like there's a problem or it's success like that's getting more attention than other children at one point which is really fucking hard for the other kids how did you navigate being a manager riding this crazy wave with one of your children while you also had four other children that needed you I look back on it now and I honestly don't know how I did it and up until literally I don't know if you know but I just got married she loves to bring this up a flick of the hair like I don't know if you know honestly he is just everything and he made me realize like what I did is badass and he's like because honestly he's asked me that question when we first got together and it's like and now like you look back and then when one of the kids are mad at me it's like well you took me out of school or you didn't you know of course and I'm like well yes so I literally because I mean I was single parent I mean it was me you know and like so I took no embrace and we're little and I literally had the choice to leave them with a nanny or take and let them go to school or take them with me and have them do it on school which is what I chose to do and it was not easy um having kids that small out and I mean Brandy would come out Trace would be out one of the tours Trace opened for Miley but I just made it work and took and I took the kids um but you know it was a sacrifice for everyone of course but it is badass because I I didn't know that part of the story that's why I asked because I was like did some of the kids stay somewhere else and like did you just go be with her like any dynamic can create resentment between children and their parent and how they decide to make situations work but I'm curious with you Brandy like how did the fame of your family as it continued to explode like impact you and your relationships and your friendships yeah I mean I was what 19 I guess when Hannah Montana started to explode so I was an adult technically you know and so I feel like I'm always super grateful that even when my even my dad was so famous like I had really good friends yeah all my whole life like I was really able to make great friends um I've ridden horses my whole life such so dorky like I'm such a horse girl but I've literally done that since I was five and through that made great friends but then I think like moving to California and once all the Hannah Montana craze started it definitely became hard to make friends in LA like I struggled with that anyway but then on top of that you worry about like well you do you just want to be my friend because of my dad or because of my sister um of course any guy I ever dated I wondered that and I dated a lot of musicians unfortunately so and I was just drawn to that because I knew it was my world but like you wonder like well does this up-and-coming musician just want to date me because I'm a Cyrus and then uh I started a band and I got a record deal and I'm like, well, did I just get this record deal because of Miley?

21:43Like, it's just so, you always question it, you know? And when I was young, I, I think all of us kind of, when we're younger, we go against that. Like, I don't want to just be known as that. I want to make my own path and make my own way. But now as an adult, I'm like, you know what? I've had to deal with a lot of cons of this life. I might as well take the pros with it. And to like now, instead of looking at it as a burden, I look at it as like, almost like a bargaining chip to use, you know what I mean? Like if it opens doors for me and if, you know, and then I'm going to take it. Like I'm, I think that makes sense though.

22:15And I appreciate you saying that. Cause like as a young kid, of course you're like, oh fuck this at times. Cause you're like, I'm my own self. Like my name is Brandy. It's like, you know, it's like, it's not my dad or my sister. Now though, you're so set and stone of who you are as an individual and kudos to your mother for helping obviously like give you the tools to be like, you're on your own and you can do whatever the fuck you want. But again, we're sitting here and it's like a huge part of both of your stories is that your family has many people that are so talented, including both of you sitting here.

22:47But like everyone knows everyone in your family almost except for a couple of people that choose to like not be as public. And you're also talented. So it's like, of course, that's going to impact your life. And I think it would be remiss for me to not sit here and be like, I can imagine that was hard in moments for every kid, including Miley. I bet she has like I don't want to speak for her but like I have had it in moments being like oh I feel bad in moments of like did I take away from my siblings in moments like every single sibling has a different dynamic and so I appreciate you just sharing like now you're like fuck this like lean in and have fun how fucking fun why not right and I think that's the other thing that I didn't look at myself until I met Dom who's just such a build me up person for even for me like I have a production company called Hopetown Entertainment that I love and it's used to frustrate me so bad because the reason I love it so much is because I'm so creative and like with Molly like she gets to be the creative and I just have to make it work for her and figure out how to make what she wants to do work and I feel like that's kind of been my job for a long time so with Hopetown like it's mine yeah I get to be the creative is that not like what a mom's life is it's like put your kids first every time let them be this and then it feels like from what you're saying finally you've now kind of been empty nested to be like what does Tish want yes and how can I start and it feels like every but this happens every family like feels like you now are so settled like everyone now knows how to handle it but when shit pops off no fucking family at any age like when you're like super young knows how to handle anything like there's drama in school so then making it like everyone's getting famous oh i know there's no playbook it's no it's insane what the fuck are we supposed to do and that's what i'm always like like when noah or brave or somebody's like upset with me because well i didn't get to go to normal school i'm like guys like like you just don't understand like the storm we were in yeah like things were going absolutely bonkers and i did the best I could and like you said it's so fascinating like you kind of did you didn't have a playbook of how to make it right but you did see from other certain young kids in the industry how south it can go so fast it was all around me crazy it was all around me and I just like it just broke my heart for those kids for real and I was just like that is not gonna be me yeah and that is not gonna be my kid okay we're gonna play a little game oh because I want to get to know you guys even more okay tish is like i'm gonna smoke more here you go okay rapid fire oh i'm stoned that i do not rap it's not rapid it's not actually rapid you can actually be so slow okay right and and be so long-winded do whatever the fuck you want okay hilarious tish who is more likely to pick a fight you or brandy me i can't leave you to think about that oh my gosh of course you like but do i really like all the time you parked in front of something you weren't supposed to and you went off on the guy that came out and told you to move you pick fights a lot she has a problem wait a minute she has a problem with authority but like i will pick up you'll go off if somebody tries to tell me what to do i mean it ticks me off i do kind of love that though as a woman like we all need a little bit of that energy from you tish of just like fuck you it's like the airport police i was like authority until you suck and you have no authority over me they're like ma 'am we're just trying to make sure that no one gets on with a bomb and you're don't freaking try to do this and tell me how to drop i'm serious i'm obsessed okay that was a good first one yeah um okay brandy what is the biggest thing you used to lie to your mom about boys for sure because you were just like not about it so strict also we talked about this i'm sorry we're stoned sex was like don't do it ever or you can't have sex or you'll die but like you know i know i'm sure you enjoyed your fair share yeah and had me at 18 so that's why not 20 20 so i had her at 20 and like first first person i ever had sex with can you believe this and got pregnant with her yes oh my god and but i'm like look how great it turned out but when i was a when i was a teenager it was you can't have sex ever yes or this will happen like it wasn't even a wait till marriage just like not ever don't you think that's a thing though if like someone has a child young it just you get anxious for them because you lived it and you just want to be like just be careful yes but you're right like look at this beautiful perfect child i know she's 10 out of 10 i mean like seriously but when i was 17 i did date a guy that had just gotten out of rehab for a cocaine addiction and she wasn't thrilled with that even though i met him at church camp and i had to like quite a bit about seeing him she did it's always the church camp boys oh they're the worst and that's who she was on the trampoline with that's who i was on the trampoline would you have ever told your mom when you lost your virginity no i didn't what she does she know yet i had to tell her this story last time we recorded this podcast yes you didn't know i just found out who it was Oh, who?

28:02Were you mortified? Yes, just because I despised him. Yeah, well. There's always those boyfriends. I have one. My mother is like, when I hear his name to this day, I hate him. I'm like, Mom, it's been like 20 years. Let it go. We moms hold grudges. We do. Tish, is there something you used to lie to Brandy about? I mean, there may be some like skeletons in the closet during your menopause stage. I don't know about. I don't know. It was a dark time. oh you went wild she went nuts and she and miley were like in cahoots during that time because miley was also rebellious around that time so i was like they were in cahoots all the time and so there might be some things i don't know yeah there could be oh my god did the dynamic become like you and my you're like we can't tell brandy we can't tell for sure absolutely absolutely although that was kind of around the same time we lied to her a lot about boys going to hang out with the Jonas Brothers that was kind of like wait tell that story it's a good one tell it okay I'll never forget we were at some like Disney charity event or something do you remember this when she met Nick oh yeah and ever the girls in Everlife are the ones that like introduced everybody and she immediately immediately liked each other and we snuck out of the house to go meet them at this place called Rocky Cola I just found this out too it's like a diner in like it's insane and we snuck out to go do that and then we snuck out a bunch to go hang out with them and then they ended up touring with them and it was such a great time it was until it wasn't until it wasn't until it wasn't until it was and it broke everyone's heart in the world until it freaking wasn't that is so funny that you just found this out yeah oh yeah wait you guys fun story i remember the jonas brothers when they opened because it was the hannah montana like tour so it was yeah it was like wasn't it the hannah and my she did both and they played in the middle oh my god yes yeah it was meet molly saris i think and i remember i was like i don't care about these boys get off the stage i just want to like watch miley and hannah i remember i went to one of the concerts and my dad was like i bet those boys will be big one day and i'm like oh they did but i just remember being like why are they on stage so funny like oh my god wow so that's a good little story oh yeah so you had fun oh yeah um are you single very okay if you don't even i'm no i'm not too what she just loves to have things to say okay tish if you had to set brandy up with a any celebrity who would it be and why oh wait wait hold on this is good if i could set brandy up with any celebrity who it would be and why i kind of want to know the answer honestly you know what we talked about this yesterday is it who i think you're gonna say john mayer i don't know about this i can get you in there tomorrow okay to make me explain why explain why why john well because how old is john older than me i think 40 yeah five first of all i think that's a really is he that old i don't know i just made that up someone google it yeah google google how old is john is that too old no i don't i would much rather why john explain his personality i just like he's never found the right person and i just don't think brandy's ever found the right person and he's much older but i mean 36 she's gonna be 37 well it's not telling me to keep it moving but i just feel like they have a lot of similarities because um we were talking about this too that he's lived where she doesn't know she's so high he lives in montana guys this is good have you you've met him I think I'm I actually think I do have a picture with him I think I met him one time at a Molly concert me too maybe by the time this is announced and this episode comes out you'll go on a date I mean why not no I'll go I'll go on a date like I'm all about going on a date but it's just I don't date regularly because like I just how am I supposed to meet somebody like I truly just don't know you know what I mean like I the apps I just can't do no do you have a type I feel not really does she have a type do i i don't think so i don't think so either when i was younger i did a lot of band guys like musicians and now it's like the last thing i want uh-huh um well that's gonna be a problem but he's not like a he's not like a band you know what i mean like he's a leading man yeah it's a little different than just like the guitar player yeah some rock band you know what i mean um but now like i don't know i feel like my type has kind of changed and like i i'm very outdoorsy like i live on a farm i ride horses like i want somebody that like appreciates that lifestyle a little bit like he does i don't need somebody that wants to go ride horses with me but like i need somebody that's like down to get a little bit like your mother is in the corner over here getting so excited she literally doesn't know anything okay next week it'll be somebody else though she does this so true so she does this yeah and also we are going to talk about the dms and like okay so what forget it let's keep what dms because on my last zoom

33:14they were saying i need to be an advocate for older single women who said that who said that the lady on my zoom are you doing like a deal with like okay cupid or something the older single woman that you're directing no i'm not well no you're not old enough it's 50 and up are you doing some type of like campaign for like should i i think maybe i should you're the new face of christian mingle yeah definitely not that because you know what i do love jesus he does but christian mingle is gonna have a problem with the weed yeah we got to cut it back well i think that that's the old way of thinking well because i am a christian and I love weed there you know what I'm sorry we accept you I bet tinder would like you you think I'm glad I never had to do any of those things I know just the dm okay so she's basically saying slide into John's dms tonight yeah you know what I've I've done that a couple times and I'm and I always to him no not to him but like just in general I've dm'd guys there's something about it this feels cringy to me and I can't get past it and I know that's frustrating because like look at Kelsey I get it I get I think what you could also do though is like if it's a dm reply to a story yeah i think that can make it more organic or i think sometimes you can acknowledge the cringiness and be like is there anything more cringe than sliding in but i did want to so hi it's me like almost own it right yeah you're right i know you are such a cool girl that you're like i don't want to do that but like oh it's a cringe i know like you're on your farm and you're in your like with your horses like yeah you don't want negative energy sometimes you got to just slide in turn your phone off for 48 hours and then look back and be like did they open it um okay last question i don't know if parents get the ick of their children so i don't know if you have this answer but tish if you had to pick what is something brandy does that gives you the ick oh i'm sure there's plenty i'm serious really it gives me the well she picked me up from the airport and was like i can't believe you deal with this dog hair i brought my dog with me and she's like i have dog hair on my clothes oh no that may be the one she is like i just need everything spotless that is not brand no and it not anymore but used to when she was little she was such a horse girl i still am no but at least now you like when you were little a horse girl like her dirty fingernails drove me crazy the ick from a mother herself i love it i love the honesty okay roles reverse brandy what gives you the ick about your mom i know one what what say it these hair extensions i was literally thinking that but i thought you'd get upset you don't like her hair extension girl i like give me she is i literally am dying with this wave in my hair really yes you don't like it i love it she loves it she's like bury me in it she loves it i'm not living without it like ever i just i don't know it's really good i know

36:18you are so crazy it is you're right the hair extensions could go when did you recently get the weave was it recent or you know girl i had them like years and you just don't like the hair so i had them out not long ago and it looks so good it was i just put them back in recently i had most of them out and it drives her crazy i just am a long-haired girl it's it looks really good on you i will say give her a break she looks hot yeah she looks hot i like it you know she's newly married let her just live her like although he wants me to cut my hair yeah he does he does yeah why he doesn't like the weave no he he he he wants to see your beautiful face that's what he says you have such a long beautiful neck darling you need to show it off he seems so sweet he's the sweetest okay your family has been in the news a lot recently because of the divorce that you just went through billy ray filed in 2010 yep you filed in 2013 yep and then both of those times you ended up staying together yes what made this time different like what led you to finally say it's over end of the marriage

37:41what led you to finally say it's over end of the marriage oh that is such a loaded question but the the first part of that is is the two years that he he went to Tennessee during COVID and I need to be I mean like Molly and Noah are young they're like they need me they need their mom and so I stayed in California and he stayed in Tennessee and I really during that period had just took a really good hard look at life my life and um like what was I gonna do because it had not been in a good place for a long time and I think I think I did stay so long out of fear literal fear of being alone you know and to like I had never I met him when I'm 24 23 24 so I like grew up as like he was such a huge part of that and so and then like being alone and all of a sudden just having like kind of the weight of the world off my shoulders in some ways and like was able to just breathe and like smoke pot and garden and go skinny dipping in my pool literally that's what I did during COVID and what's so crazy about all this is like you have never you had never been the kind of person that would have ever said like I enjoy my alone time or I enjoy being like she never thought she would be okay alone I love being alone greatest thing ever and she's like I just can never feel that way but after that quarantine period you learned how to love being alone I did she loved it I never thought I would see the day yeah and I really feel like that was very transformative it was hugely transformative I also feel like what you're saying is what so many women definitely specifically experience of like ending some type of relationship you don't know what's on the other side and so you're so terrified that you almost stay in something that can be so detrimental to your health in moments or just like isn't the right fit like it can run the gamut of like whether it's borderline like crazy abusive or it's literally just like we're not a right match but you stay because you're like what's next will i ever find someone again I don't want to be alone like there's all these variables literally the fear of the unknown and it's like this is so helpful to just hear you sit here and be like it was such a blessing because the minute I did decide to end it I felt free I felt like oh my gosh I actually feel lighter and it was crazy because also during COVID my mom passed away and I mean she's my mom is the only reason she's normal she's the only normal one out of all of my children and that's because my mom raised her most of the time for real that's true brandy's like uh-huh i mean it's just she was amazing she was amazing anyway i literally again was alone during that time i had to go through it alone um and i literally can't believe i did that me neither it was so crazy because honestly my biggest fear my two biggest fears in life were always being alone and my mom passing away like I was like I just don't know if I'll survive when my mom dies I mean honestly and I had like one month of a honestly complete psychological breakdown it was the worst thing like honestly it was like it was not good I'm so sorry it was like I just kind of pushed the mom thing under the rug and then the divorce thing came and then I was just like I literally I don't know if you've had Dr.

41:26Amen on have you had him no he Miley he's uh worked with Miley for years he works with a lot of people and I just remember at one point truly saying calling him and saying can you please put me in a mental hospital and he goes I do not think that is the best thing for either of us why do you what was going on like I could not eat I could not sleep I could not stop crying I literally weighed like a hundred and three because it all because of the fear of being alone or like all of it I don't have my mom just everything and then I don't have my husband that has been my husband for 30 years like holy crap like I'm scared do you when you look back because like when you do see that like in 2010 and then 2013 there were like potential filings like do you wish you had walked away sooner yes but then I'm like maybe that wouldn't have been right either like because I really didn't want Noah to still be young and like but looking back on it it would have been better for her had I had I left it would have been much better yeah Brandy how would you have described your parents relationship growing up as a child you guys were so in love like they were so touchy and so lovey and making out in the kitchen and I mean I have great memories of of them together as a kid but then I think once I turned into an adult and kind of saw it from a different perspective a lot of it changed and it's tough because like I was really close with my dad growing up like really close I mean I always say like the two things I love most in the world are horses and music and he taught me both you know so we were so close and so I think to like grow up and like I'll never forget I was 25 and I was filming a movie in New York and he was there doing Broadway and it was kind of the first time that like it opened my eyes to see like some of the things that he was doing that I didn't know before and it was hurtful and it was hurtful to see him doing it to her it was hurtful to see him hiding it from me and it was it was hurtful you know and that's when I don't know like not to say things changed but I think that's just when I started to see a different perspective of it and what's hard for me is like 10 years ago like I understood like you know you were like I want to keep the family together I want to keep the family together I want to make the relationship work and it's like I you admire all those things but then like now 10 years later as a 36 year old I'm like well I like I wouldn't have wanted myself to put up with that and like so like now I'm at now I'm at a point where I'm so happy that she was able to break free from it and found what she's found with her husband now because like she deserves that you know and like you were such a martyr for so long for the family and just for the sake of keeping it all together the like part of me wishes that you had been able to get yourself out of it sooner yeah but it's admirable that that you didn't in a way yeah you know i just honestly like i just did i would i just would never wanted to get a divorce yeah like because my here i go my mom and dad met on a monday and got married on a friday at a gas station with the justice of the peace and they were married for 30 years until my dad passed away and my dad passed away when my mom was my age and she never took her wedding ring off never went on another date like they were so in love yeah and I just like family was everything and that's what I wanted and it's just but looking back like and I wish I would have known I've done so much damn therapy in the last two years you just don't even know and I think the things that I wanted like my parents did just have an unreal type of love I don't know relationship too and I was adopted so like like it was just like it was just good and so I think we get hung up on what we want it to be and what like I'm looking at it like I just want to keep our family together because like it's like it looked perfect yeah but you know it was just like really freaking hard well it's also so hard because what you're explaining too is like it wasn't just about you and billy's dynamic it it was like the whole family totally like this isn't just a decision about like you and a romantic partner this is about like children and this like lifestyle that you created and this bond yep um when you reference like seeing because I do think a lot of kids like have those moments where like rose-colored glasses of their parents and then one day you wake up and you're like wait why is my dad doing that or why is my mom doing that when you had those moments Brandy like seeing your dad would you go and tell your mother or were you just so scared you just didn't say anything I I have like all I bury everything which is not one of my finer traits and I've gotten better but like I would never want to cause conflict yeah ever you know what I mean so I would definitely like and I felt like I I never like firsthand saw anything go down by any means so that you know otherwise maybe that would have changed things but yeah I like avoid conflict so much and I feel like if anything like during that time and then for the from like that time going forward yeah I would try to be um like the one like helping you guys work it out the mediator yeah the peacemaker like I feel like I played that role a little bit with you guys and like tried to help you guys find a way to make it work or like see each other's sides and like that's just kind of how I am with I just want everybody to get along you know so I played that part for a long time Tish how did you like change yourself to make that marriage work oh my god how long you got she's like where i got to start smoking again we need a three-parter yep yep

47:16yeah maybe you know when it like actually fell apart is when i stopped doing that when i stopped doing that it was over how long do you think you stopped playing the part before the divorce filings you know probably mid quarantine mid quarantine maybe maybe a quarter of the way into quarantine yeah yep yep like you just stopped putting up with stuff and just go looking at myself being like what in the heck are you doing you know and so I literally just had made that firm decision and I was like I'm moving on with my life and you know what girl it worked out for the best. I mean, no, you seem so happy and sitting here as we're like joking about Brandy be like, Oh, who should we set you up with?

48:06I am curious, like from this experience, clearly you, we all learn so much from relationships. What types of behaviors or things did like you put up with that you now know, like you would never want your daughters to deal with, or now you will never put up with in this new relationship and marriage that you're in disrespect in every form like if like disrespect like like just lays it out in so many ways and I don't even know until I had a new relationship that there was so much respect how much disrespect there was in my marriage before honestly on both our parts on both our hearts it is wild when you get into a new relationship and you're like you look back you're like what the fuck what was i doing hello dr amen says when they show you who they are believe them and i'm like damn like amen could you have told me that like 20 freaking years ago i mean where were you on this out of Montana seriously seriously we could have used you yeah the production psychologist yeah i'm serious you know what it is a beautiful message because of how many young women listen to this podcast of like you're so right tish it's like they show you and totally we try to look away because we want it to work we're afraid of being alone we want to like also as women we're trained to like put up with it and stay and like fight for your family and like it's on you to make it work and turn a blind eye but at what point is it also like your life would be so much fucking better if you do walk away because you do still have your family and I did not believe that and everybody kept telling me like mom like why would you be alone you'd only be alone if you choose to be and I would be like I just don't believe that I'm old no one's ever gonna like me I've got every male friend of mine is was lined up ready to take you out I'm serious who wouldn't be girl she's all I don't want somebody younger look at those extensions she's so not okay but like but like truly it's funny because she was you know so thinking oh i'm just gonna be alone for the rest of forever like there's no one else yeah and then it was like a well if you could have anybody who would it be type thing and she's you know dominic purcell and look at her look at it that was how it happened truly it's it is so crazy though how when you are in something that like doesn't make you feel good your your self-worth just completely dissipates you're like where who am i it's it's not okay it's so sad so sad but i'm so happy that you've now like rebuilt to a different place and like you have a bond with your children and life goes on yep you know what i mean like here you are and obviously i can imagine it's difficult now especially the situation he's in to like keep it kosher and chill and but like you know you're on the right path and you're totally working on yourself that's all you can do so I can do like in my relationships and you know that's what matters without getting too much into it because I feel like I do have a lot of just people that would be fascinated from your personal experience of like advice is like when you have a big family everyone's gonna have their own opinions on everything like how do you navigate when just like people in your family are on different pages like as the mother how do you navigate like keeping it all chill so used to dr amon's getting some plugs i'm freaking serious because you know what as moms we constantly i mean it's our job to like make sure everyone's happy even at our own expense and I just like never got to have an opinion or never like I just like Brandy said it was one of those things I just want everybody to be happy I just don't want anybody yelling or mad at each like I'm such a peacekeeper and so I think I did that a lot of putting everyone else's happiness before my own and now I'm like opinions are like bet holes everybody has one you can you do you all do me or like everything's literally like if if the siblings if any of us are fighting she's like y 'all are on your own that's what i do now i'm like i'm just over here doing me and if you like it great and if you don't that's okay too has that completely changed the dynamic of your family brand yes yes is everyone taking it well or no i mean it's okay yeah it's actually pretty good it's working out pretty good you're all adults i think at first it was just shock you know like like if one of us goes to her and is like so and so did this expecting her to like fix it she's like oh sorry i'm like gotta smoke it up right you're kind of just relinquishing like all control like you're all adults do what you want to do no yeah do oh my god like there was a christmas and we were all in nashville and they're all of us were arguing about something stupid of course and she stays at my house when in nashville so i like went back to the house like trying to explain to her like everyone's fighting what do we do and she's up there just smoking weed she's like i don't know y 'all figure it out brandy was like mom i think actually someone's calling the yeah like mom i think you should step in she's like nah yep oh i feel like you don't let you're yes let the police come handle so I don't have to come down I can just get baked up here because in the past like she would care so much oh yeah it was Christmas and like that would mean so much to her and she was like y 'all work it out it's kind of like beautiful I love it whoever's still here on Christmas day great if they're not whatever like I'm like see ya peace yep I'm picturing you up there just like so chill face mask oh like yep music blaring oh yeah yes wow yep okay talk to me about dominic obviously the way that you speak about him is i mean also congrats to both of you because you're so gorgeous he's so gorgeous it it it makes sense i love prison break so like i oh girl we all did when i saw that show i was so obsessed with him truly in the least creepy way okay no but between him and wentworth were you a dom 100 % hilarious 100 i was young my milie and i were went we're wentworth girlies really i was like no he is freaking dangerous so you watched that and you just said fuck it i'm dming him okay so weirdly probably during my um my out of its stage we were all watching prison break yeah maybe a little post and maybe a little post but anyway i would always say dom's my hall pass always are you always oh i would i was like oh my gosh it is so sad that the two of us aren't because i was married whatever i would joke about it like it is heartbreaking that the two of us aren't going to be a couple because we're so perfect yeah not even joking water please oh she's gone and left give her more give her more So, like, at some point you followed him on Instagram is where we're going with this.

55:38Did I? Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. She's too stoned. So, but anyway, this was just, like, whatever. And so in 2016, Dom DM'd me. Yes. What? And I had followed him on Instagram. Yeah. And he DM'd me. And just said, hey, Tish, just wanted to think I think you're super cool. Like, you're doing such a great job with your family and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Oh. And I'm like, hmm. Although, I didn't see it for a year. Yeah, she can't work on Instagram. Didn't see it. So, me and Brandy. Or she. Literally, Brandy. I'll never forget this. We're in my car. And for some reason. I had your phone. Or something happened that I realized, like, I wasn't following him anymore.

56:27And so, Brandy looked. And she was like, oh, he must not have Instagram anymore. and she goes so I looked and I was like no he has it you're just blocked so she's been blocked what from Dom's Instagram what x oh shit yeah yeah had seen he hit me up and blocked me from his Instagram I almost peed my pants because I was like why does he even know who I like why am I blocked like he doesn't even know like I exist and I'm blocked and we just we were laughing so hard Look at the way she's holding her microphone. Because you know what? I think I was blocked. I hit my tooth with it a minute. Well, those were expensive.

57:11There's a cushion. I know. I was thinking. I didn't hurt it. No, no. It's good. It's good. I don't want to have to pay for these things again. I feel you. They look great. They look great. I was just thinking. You were blocked. You're scanners. She's too stoned. You're still stoned? I love it. I do? What are these called? Plug and Play? Oh. A puff. Straw. I am. But anyway, so. Where was I? So you're blocked. You're blocked, bitch. I'm freaking blocked. So that was 2017, and I didn't ever think about it again. I was with my friend on FaceTime. And I was having some plug and play. And she was drinking wine.

57:54And she goes, okay. Because I was doing the I'm going to be alone forever. and she was like you're a catch out of anyone and I'm like because I'm like no who's gonna gonna go out with me right she's like I'm gonna hook you up who who out of anyone would you want to go out with and I go Dominic Purcell and she goes just DM him right now and I'm like no and she's like yes because I told her about the 2016 thing you're like I'm blocked but you weren't blocked anymore he unblocked you so I literally text him and I actually do have a production deal at NBCU there's some credibility in this yeah I do have that and um so I sent him a little DM and said hey Dom like we were friends and I was like hey Dom I have a deal at NBCU and I was such a massive friend of prison break I don't know what you're doing these days but would you want to talk about creating a show for you on NBCU genius genius I'm not talking three seconds later ding hey tish and because I said I don't know if you're in LA or Australia and he said yeah tish had a crush on you forever

59:13how is this real how's this yeah or something and so we go to lunch and make out for like three hours at a pub in like a little hole in the wall like i walked in and touched his arm and said hey dom and that was it and then we were like out back having a few little drinks which you know what keep going because i'm gonna get deep i mean i cannot even tell you how amazing he is the minute you met him did you know kind of yes it was just right he said literally that when his phone dinged he knew it was not about a show and he's i looked at my phone and out loud go it's on i just got fucking chill seriously you are so good and honestly i was looking good i was i'm gonna we're gonna post it and i just liked it and i was like hey dom mom and the rest is history how long did you date of like like did it did it move fast yes the next day he was just like yeah i love you and i was like i love you too and i me the parent i'm over here like no oh i was so against that i mean it was just on stop yeah brandy's like no no mom mom and you're like I'm in love I'm like we don't know this guy she's like yes I do we watch prison break and I'm like listen love it he's gorge I'm sure he's great but like let's slow your roll pump the break yes but you didn't no nope so did you know you wanted to get remarried like was that something you were interested in I just did not think that was possible for me yeah I truly did not believe that yeah and and that's just another result of because now I look at myself and go you know what i think i'm pretty nice he is really he's done wonders for he's done that yeah i'm obsessed because it's so crazy for somebody so gorgeous and oh my god so fucking smart and like has all the things she has the lowest self-confidence like since i can remember and he really has done wonders as far as like building her confidence in great ways i'm so happy for you because as i'm sitting here listening to you and obviously brandy you've been through your whole life with your mother but as i'm sitting here i'm like i want your confidence like and to know this is a recent thing that's been built back up for so many years of being disrespected not feeling seen feeling like you have to kind of be the last person that has a say or you can't really like put yourself first ever holy and you know what like yeah i just feel like a completely different person and honestly i don't want to hear people online going well i don't need a man to make me well okay you do you because i'll take whatever and my hot freaking ass has been like waking up next to him with his like hot body and tattoos i literally am like thank you lord i just want to praise him she is nuts that's coffee here's the thing my feet so it's not that you're a new person it's that you've blossomed into the very best version of yes and you know what i am living my best life and he is yummy yummy yummy yummy so obsessed with you yeah she loves to talk about if you can't tell yeah are your kids like shut the fuck up or do most of you like are you okay I mean it's cute for two seconds and then we it's like mom just we're like okay it's just he just loves me so much what has he taught you about love oh my god so like I don't even think I really like I did know what love was because I saw my mom and dad and I never ever saw them disrespect one another ever like they really didn't fight yeah at all which is so weird so rare and like they just truly liked each other and so with dom like he just would do like the most simple things that i just and i don't even know what they are but there is not one second that i do not feel loved by him oh like truly and that like the decision i never had someone to where like if he gets a script or something yeah like he doesn't just decide he's gonna do it it is like a partnership truly nice and like he also just like talks so much too about like mental health because i have a lot of anxiety like i am often but when the anxiety sets in it is it is it is not it's a lot like it is like full-on i'm having a psychological breakdown do you have anxiety no mine's all but it's mine is i'm a complete hypochondriac yeah and it i feel like everybody else all the other siblings have it too kind of yeah you're the only one without anxiety yeah we do have it yeah weird yeah i mean i mean here we go yeah i need to put up make stickers that says find someone that loves you like dom loves tish and tish loves dom that is absolute merch that you should wear every day we don't know if anyone would buy it but we know yeah you would buy you're wearing it and dom would buy it oh my no it just seems like he makes you feel like it's a real partnership totally that's amazing when you look at your mother now like do you feel like there's a lot of what has happened in the past with her previous relationship has just like been repaired like she's just at this different place I do yeah um and I think like there will always be work to do in the sense of like it's not ever the past is never going to go away right and I think it's totally normal for like you to have bad days and stuff come back up you know um and that's gonna happen here and there but for the most part it's like pretty incredible the transformation it's amazing yeah I'm sorry but I gotta say one more thing about my baby get it in girl get it in while you're here and honestly before like I wouldn't want to talk about those things and Dom is the first person to say oh like not get mad like if I'm being psychotic but being like I understand why you are feeling this way because of this validating your feelings even if he doesn't agree with it a million percent that is like the most triggering thing in a relationship when someone can almost like gaslight you into being like why the fuck are you feeling that way and it's like i feel this way or like totally i could also see somebody taking offense to like why do you still have these feelings about somebody else he is so not like that like he is so emotionally intelligent enough to be able to like look at it objectively and be like you're doing this because of this it has nothing to do with me how can i help you through it it's really incredible he's like the man everyone wants he is a freaking man And again, all you people out there talking, whatever.

1:06:33Who are these people? I want my man to lift my. I don't need no man. He's like, I do. I need a man. My baby was carrying our set chairs in to do sorry we're stoned tomorrow for me. Yes, stop. Yes. I'm sorry. Yeah. He's a freak. Like, that's why I just love him. That's why he's so yummy is because he is just a freaking man. Let's talk about your podcast again as I'm thinking about him carrying in these chairs. I'm obsessed with him. Well, first of all, it's also nice to see, like, how much you light up when you talk about. That's how it should be. Yes. Like, it shouldn't be this, like, how do I position the relationship in, like, no.

1:07:06You should just effortlessly be like, I don't give a fuck. I'm going to scream it from the rooftops. I'm in love. I'm happy. Good for you. Exactly. We can tell. Exactly. We can tell. How did you guys decide to even do a podcast together? Like, mother-daughter dynamics. Were you worried all about working together, Brandi? Weirdly, we weren't my mom's. Yeah. I feel like. Well, it was during kind of COVID-y. like right before covid maybe okay i can't remember it was somewhere in that era the black hole of time um and like we both had free time for once i feel like you know and we were like like we talked about the podcast and finally had time and we're like okay let's do it and i live i live in nashville so we just totally did it remote like over right you know not zoom but like something similar and did it for like a year took a break i think after covid like i got really busy miley got really busy so you got really busy and like we kind of put it on the back burner and did a hiatus deal and she missed it a lot you really love doing it I do and then I like it all of our listeners were like begged us to come back so we finally did well you guys are I feel like I'm talking to two of my girlfriends right now you guys are really really good at talking and I know that sounds really weird but like I sit down with a lot of people who should not have podcasts because you're like you can't like have a flowing conversation that's entertaining you two can yeah so it's really cool what is the best part of working with your mother and the worst part i think the best part is like it's just more time we spend together like even yeah like even if we're busy like we have to still have to podcast you know yeah it's like we talk i don't know it just it ends up we talk about a lot more which is kind of cool um and then the worst part is like it's changed now that we've gone vodcast but before getting her to commit to a schedule oh yeah i'm not good at that i love really bad at that it gives me anxiety oh it gives me anxiety to not know we're meeting the deadline you don't know you know where the deadline is no i know i know i don't and but honestly that's another thing i just cannot be on a schedule she can't that makes me crazy thinking like i have to do something at a certain time but you do like you can show up if you're like managing miley or noah but like yeah you're but like you're just showing up to but you sitting down with a mic you're like yeah i gotta be in the zone i gotta be in the mood yeah i gotta have time to smoke yes it's a whole process i want to talk to both you about like what is upcoming in your lives because obviously like i the daddy gang wants to know those are my fans brandy what do you have coming up what do you have going on um so i i don't think we've talked about it but i'm a dj uh which is funny because i live on a farm um but i've been doing this for a while now like six years I think do you love it I really do and it's I when I was younger I was in a band and played guitar and like went that whole route and then just kind of ended up in this DJ electronic world which is interesting but um I finally like I think right after COVID I was like you know what I really want to like put my all into this and see where it can go and this year we just announced I have a residency at the Wynn in Vegas which I'm very excited about no big deal yeah that's been like a goal of mine since i started doing this and um it's finally happening it doesn't even feel real until my first show's in march and i'll be in vegas every month through the end of the year congratulations that is fucking incredible are you gonna go see her yeah i have to you have there's a there's a day she won't stay up past like 7th you'll go to the day one there's a day show the day before your birthday oh oh oh oh may 12th tish will be the time I will go to that is congratulations you must feel so excited also because like that's such not only is that accomplishment but that's fun to like be able to do and even just like experiencing different things in life to say that you get to go do that are you kidding me and honestly this is also I'm just have to brag on Brandy like when she decides she's gonna do something like you're gonna be what like and she just doesn't yeah she works so hard that she makes it happen like you like it's just crazy I'm like that's what I love about these podcasts is number one I truly I just want to help girls because I just know how insecure and fearful I was my whole life and just to know like you guys are sitting here young girls who put their mind that they love doing something and put their mind to it and made it happen like you can but it's it takes a lot of work it does and like also give yourself credit you have built such an empire and you have been like it what seems just like this stable force for your entire family to lean on and I think moms do not get enough credit they don't they don't and that's the other thing too like I was too stoned I was what I was trying to say was like my biggest thing and the reason I love it so much is because it does feel like we're just hanging out talking with girlfriends and I think there's so many people especially my age and that just feel like they're so afraid to leave a situation or that they're always going to be alone and like I just like want to help people know that's not true I think it's I mean that's like all I want from this podcast always is like especially because people let's keep it real your family as much as in the media or whatever like people look up to you like people look up to all of you for different reasons but like i think when people probably look at you tish like you come off like you have it all together and no one has it all together and i feel like a lot of people would be surprised to hear you even like opening up like this being like girls like i want for you what like i don't want you to go through what i went through totally it's really empowering to know that like even if you're 25 and you're unhappy get the out yeah get out go a million percent leave and i'm just like i think we always think that we're for for somehow it's a little bit you know arrogant of us to think oh well they're like i'm gonna be able to fix this and change it and it's gonna be like no right because it takes two it takes you can want to change it but they won't and if you don't want to change something they might like it has to take two and if it's not they're gonna it's not gonna work no ladies i could sit here and talk to you for six fucking hours like i love you guys and i had so much fun today i feel like i i didn't know what to expect from but from what i see online i knew you guys were going to be a good time but i'm not gonna lie i didn't know it would be this fun this was fucking fun well awesome also i honestly i'm just gonna be mushy for a second i just feel really honored that you had me on your show guys now i'm gonna get all teary i really do this is another level of the highs like she gets no i thought about this before is that like I think like we talked about like things being hard sometimes for them like usually it's like I've always been like someone's wife or Molly's mom or whatever and I just now being that I do want to have an outlet to help people like my age and and and like realizing that they can have a whole second act and all that stuff and I feel like usually people only want to talk to me about and I just think it's really sweet you wanted to have me on I hope that both of you felt today like you were treated as individuals like no matter who your sister is or who your daughter is like who are you in the family dynamic and who are you it's like you're all individuals totally and Miley's great and Noah's great and you know what I mean but like I think you two women this has been so fun because I love just talking to women like me too you're both so intelligent and you're so different and the same in so many ways like watch I had no clue what to expected your dynamic that was my first question being like what is your relationship i didn't even need to ask because i just walked the minute you walked in i'm like oh my god set the scene brandy is so old as child energy like she's got it's just it's so i had so much fun okay and the funniest thing is i could just see the dynamic where if molly said oh my god that would be like she's here putting on a show that we all need to watch and then if if noah walked in is she's like like what's that like really she's like you all are just too much yeah yeah yeah so Miley and Noah are opposites and it's it's kind of like it's we're all kind of like so alike but so different it's really it's interesting no and that's why it's like like I said I had sat down with Miley I guess it was three years ago now sitting I'm gonna have to I told her I feel like she it would be a totally different experience with Miley now oh my gosh so much work with myself too i'm like girl i don't even know like what i was asking you back then yeah and same thing with noah like if i meet her one day like it's cool to meet you don't get to do that a lot in the industry it's like a family of people that you can speak to that all make each other who they are it's great like everyone influences everyone in your family so no thank you guys so much for coming on caller daddy this was so fucking fun i can't put it in words do not text me later tonight This was perfect.

1:16:01Goodbye. Love you. Yay. Bye. Did this episode leave you wanting more? Obviously it did. Daddy gang, here are two episodes I think you'll also like. Go watch Binge Call Her Daddy. Bridget and Holly, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Every girl that I knew of wanted to be a part of it, wanted to be a playmate, wanted to go to the parties. Well, when you would arrive to a party, if you were a female, they would take a Polaroid of you, and then Hef would go through all of them after the party and grade them like A, B, C, or D. I think the most harmful thing was just the thinness because like eating disorders were really rampant.

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1:17:22Thank you.