Victoria Beckham: Posh, WAG, Mother, Mogul

36:56And it was difficult. And David was, his career was taking off. And I was trying so hard to be supportive of him, but really struggling to find my own identity again. I think that's something really relevant. I've had friends recently having children and And they stopped working and they thought, you know, oh my gosh, I can't wait to be a mom. And it's one of the greatest gifts. So I understand. And then if you are maybe someone who has worked, there's this almost reality where you feel so guilty because you're like, wait, I love this and I'm so happy I have my baby. But like, I don't feel fulfilled.

37:36And I think a lot of women struggle to admit that they're not just okay being a mom. And because I think it makes you feel guilt, I'm assuming, and shame of like, why isn't it enough to be just with your baby? And so talk to me about how you started to grapple with like, I should be happy. Yeah. But is there more for me? And how did you begin to transition away and start to kind of try to focus in on what is next? I felt like I had, there was a clock in my head that was just ticking away. And I just struggled to figure out what was next. And you're right, you do feel guilty because you're on one hand, you're so lucky, you're so blessed.

38:21But I knew that I wanted more. And being so much older now, I am so thankful and so grateful. And if ever I can offer anyone any advice for whatever it's worth, if you have the opportunity to go back to work, which I was lucky I did have that opportunity. I am so glad I did. I am so glad I did. before you went back though and again it's so crazy with your life because everything is so public is we then see you lean into your wag era yes and you lean into being the wife of david beckham talk to me about your decision to really lean into this persona i was a wag and I had fun I was there to support David I was there with the three boys which by the way three little boys I mean now I've got four kids but at the time three little boys that is not parenting that shit right there is crowd control Alex I had a lot of kids and and um and I was I was owning it and I was loving it I'm a real girls girl I love girls and so to be there with the other wags I had fun there was one of those girls that went shopping and bought so many clothes she couldn't get in the revolving doors of the hotel because she had so many shopping bags you're like this needs to be me I like this life I want to lean in it was great can you describe to anyone that hasn't maybe seen the paparazzi photos like describe your style and your look during this era Yeah, I had big boobs.

40:05I had very big boobs and I would wear little tiny hot pants or tiny, tiny short skirts. And I look at those pictures and I smile because I think it's been such a journey. But the truth is, I think that was, again, another, you know, it was me. That was me showing that I was actually really insecure. And that is how I stayed relevant. that was how I stayed in the conversation that's how I expressed myself because I did not have the creative outlet that I do have now nor when I was in the Spice Girls yeah you referenced that in the doc which I loved that you owned where you were like it was attention seeking like I knew what I was doing what toll though did that take on you emotionally to be honest I was happy to be there and and support david you know i say on one hand yes i am a feminist but i'm also happy to be there and show up and support my husband and he does exactly the same for me so i was happy to support him i was there with the kids you know a lot of the other wives didn't have children so i was also being a mom and yeah i think something that people may not know and then people that are huge fans will know is the way that the press has treated you throughout your career.

41:30Can you talk to me about in the early days of just like overall what you remember them saying about you? So this was early 2000s. And the media was, it was very different to what it is now. And it was always like a movement at the time. And yeah, I've had my fair share of bad, you know, hurtful things being said about me. And I remember saying to my mom once, I felt like I was in a boxing ring. And I just didn't know where the next punch was coming from. And quite often, it was incredibly personal, the things that people were saying. And, you know, I never talked about it. You know, we said earlier, we talk a lot about mental health.

42:17Now, we didn't talk about it then we just internalized I mean Victoria you went on a show where they had you step on a scale yes and weighed you yes in front of a live audience I mean what do you remember in that moment feeling um very self-conscious I mean Brooklyn was six months old and I was asked to stand on scales it was the only part of the documentary that we were asked to not include but you can google it and you can see me literally getting up and standing on some scale I mean it was so humiliating David was there. He was in the audience and the camera shifts to him and he looks a little horrified as well.

43:13But back in the day, those things were acceptable. You know, it's. And what was the point of all this? Like, were they just trying to prove you were a certain weight? Like, what was the goal? I suppose you know there is that old school thought process of how quick do you bounce back to your weight after having a baby I mean after I had Brooklyn I was on the front page of a newspaper a few days afterwards and there were arrows pointing to every single part of my body and where I had to lose the weight every single part and you know again it's a very very different world now it is but it's those type of things i think why i appreciate you touching on it a little bit in the documentary is like it's similar to the bullying when you're younger it's like this shit stays with you no matter if it was 20 years ago or two minutes ago when someone says something and especially on the world stage where people are buying these fucking newspapers and they're laughing haha look at victoria beckham yeah she needs to lose it here and there that's traumatizing yeah i mean i i wrote down the press literally would switch between calling you porky posh and skeletal posh talk to me at that point of how this impacted your relationship to your body i'd struggled with my weight since i was since i was quite young You know, in the in the 90s, you know, I remember, you know, we didn't know as much about food back then as we do now.

44:57It wasn't so much of a conversation. And I remember in the 90s, everybody was obsessed with fat free, fat free, fat free. And I remember being terrified to eat any fat, absolutely terrified. I remember my mom saying to me, gosh, you could walk around the supermarket and know the calorie count and the fat count of pretty much anything in the supermarket. So I was really mindful when I was growing up. And that was confusing enough for me. And so I think then going into the Spice Girls and having people talk about me so much and my weight. And as you said, one minute I was porky posh and then I was skinny posh and it plays tricks with you.

45:42And I didn't know what I saw when I looked in the mirror. I had no idea. You know, you lose all sense of reality and it is so consuming. It is so tiring and it takes over. It really takes over. Yeah, you said when you have an eating disorder, you become very good at lying. Yes. did you confide in anyone at this point in your life no no one at all when did you feel ready to open up to david david david has always known that i've been very disciplined about the way that i eat and i managed to turn myself because i was too scared to talk to anyone you know I was I didn't feel that I could trust anyone at all.

46:33I managed to do it myself and turn an unhealthy obsession with food into a healthy relationship, meaning understanding it's about balance. is about being healthy, about working out. And David helped me do that. You know, David was the one that changed my workout around. You know, I was doing cardio, cardio, cardio. All I wanted to do was burn, burn, burn. He was the one that encouraged me to start weight training and we work out together. And so he was, he's always been so supportive. And I'm very disciplined in the way that I eat I'm healthy I'm disciplined um and it's about balance yeah it's so hard as a woman because you're either you're either too skinny or you're too fat or people call you healthy looking and it's like oh my god yes oh my god there is not there is never someone that you're like yeah that person looks perfect it's there's always something about a woman you having to look at these pictures of yourself you saying there's magazines were there moments where you would see photos and then it would immediately trigger you back in the day and impact your eating oh god i remember i was sitting around the around a hotel swimming pool in la i was pregnant with brooklyn i was wearing a bikini and my hair was all over the place and they got a paparazzi picture of me it was on the front page of the newspaper and it basically just said i mean i think they literally called me fat.

48:10And I mean, I was pregnant at the time. And, you know, it look, it was a moment in time, I never liked to seem like I'm complaining, because I'm not, you know, this conversation naturally came up in the documentary. I didn't go into this documentary process, even thinking that we would talk about this. It's just obviously reflecting and looking at my journey, it just naturally came up in conversation but I do want to validate you Victoria because I understand again you're a public figure and anything you talk about you also yes you have to be mindful like I'm not playing victim I don't want yeah I'm asking you these questions because this is one of the most relatable things a woman can ever go through in her life and the fact that you have dealt with it and will continue to deal with it for the rest of your life as we all do that's I think why people fucking love you because you're like hey i didn't know what i was seeing when i was looking in the mirror i wasn't feeling healthy and that is relatable it's unfortunate but i guess what do you wish would change about the way media talks about women and our image and our body well i think that the media have to be so much more mindful and accountable for which i think is great listen they've worked a way around it they'll say this person looks great however the trolls say can everyone just be kind for fuck's sake i'm i've got to be honest it's like my mom said to me when i was growing up if you don't have something tonight nice to say shut up and don't say anything at all why don't we just be kind to each other right so right it's like we didn't say it here over at page whatever but the trolls have said that she's looking a little thicker you're like you know what the best one is like this person looks like shit coming out the supermarket you're coming out the supermarket do you know what i'm saying or this person was a big star in the 80s look how shit they look now do you know who it is what no it's so fucked up it's so crazy so you're dealing with all of this they're talking about your body they're talking about you pregnancy post-pregnancy and then the press just keeps fucking going speculations then at some point in your entire career come out about your marriage and i know david's doc touched on this but can you just explain to me like for you and david how did you handle all that when that came out we've had so much thrown at us and we were talking about it because we've recently celebrated our 26th wedding anniversary and by the way people said it wouldn't work 26 years um we've had so much so much thrown at us and we've always just been there together and just ridden the storm ridden the damn storm but you know just lastly on the eating thing what what is interesting is I've had so many women message me come up to me after seeing the documentary and say how they can how they can relate and you know I've talked to Harper about it obviously because She's obviously seen the documentary and little girls still obsess over food.

51:23It's still a big conversation at school. And I think that if my experience with it and my story can help anyone or encourage anyone to talk, that's another really good reason to have done this. Without a doubt. Is that how you did Harper know this prior or did you kind of like allow her to understand this information through the filming of the documentary? I talked to her because I hadn't seen the final edit until the premiere. I was like, well, at this point, if I come across as an arsehole, I'm an arsehole, right? And I'm going to own it. Because I didn't know. I was in the hands of the editor, right?

51:59It is what it is. Oh, my God. But I thought that this might have been left in because obviously I knew that I talked about it. And so I just spent a bit of time talking to her about it so she could understand. You know, when you have an eating disorder, it makes you miserable. It is sad. It is lonely. It is all consuming. I was present for many years, but not truly present. And, you know, that's really tough. And you just got to talk about it. No, I agree. I think that is the beauty of there's still so many things that we have to work on in terms of how we speak about women. But that the more we talk about it, hopefully then the tabloids and the comment sections will eventually we can pray tone it down because it means nothing to them when they're writing it.

52:53but it means everything to the young girl or to the woman when they read that one comment it is it can stick with you forever and we have to have some more accountability when it comes to that yeah and i think sure it's about balance it's about eating healthily working out and just being the best version of yourself right that's why i do what i do i want to empower women through fashion and beauty to just be the best version of themselves love

53:37I want to play a little game. Okay. So we love you and your husband, and I want to get to know you guys a little bit better. So we're going to play who is more likely to. Okay. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. Who is more likely to hold a grudge? um david can be a little bit more grumpy than me i don't i don't life's too short i want to talk about it draw a line in the sand move that shit along what is your biggest pet peeve that david does oh my god he's he likes to be early everywhere but really really really early you know the other thing he does he snores alex let me do you know what he said to me the other day he's like you know when you wear those earplugs it's not sexy i'm like you think that I'm trying to push a look in bed.

54:21No, I'm wearing them because you're snot. It's not because I'm trying to look sexy in these earplugs. You're like, babe, if you would just shut up, then I could remove these things. Right. Is this like the chicken or the egg? It's you. Oh, that's so fucking real. What do you think his biggest pet peeve is with you? Oh, he'd say that I'm untidy. I'm not just look, it's controlled. It's controlled chaos in my wardrobe. The girls get it. the girls get it you know where everything is it may look like a disaster but like you know it's just hair and makeup everywhere fair who is more likely to quit during a workout david 100 he procrastinates all the time by the way i'm in the gym for half an hour 45 minutes before he actually arrives then he comes in he wants to chit chat you know so absolutely yeah i'm hardcore in the gym i was asking him these questions because why do i feel like you guys will have two fucking complete different answers he is a part-timer just ask the trainer okay who is more likely to surprise the other with a romantic gesture david he's very romantic what is something he's done for you recently um he'll he's very good at sending flowers and sending gifts have you read the book five love languages no oh my gosh alex well i know what the love languages are but should I read it?

55:43It's a very small book and David's love language is gifts and that doesn't have to be expensive things but that's how he shows love and that's how he feels love I'm words of affirmation Oh that's a nice one to have a husband though who is gifts I like that Yeah so he gets me really nice gifts and I just tell him he's great It's perfect Okay That's why I've got so many nice handbags let's be honest you're like love you thanks um okay who is more likely to send a steamy text oh david oh okay who is more likely to cook for a date night oh him i can't cook okay yeah i mean i wasn't lying when i cried over the damn cheese and ham sandwich you know roland marie texted me the other day he was my fashion mentor french and he just said after seeing the documentary he's like okay the next thing I'm going to teach you is how to make a croque monsieur no no literally you being like I can't even make a sandwich no David's like we love you babe it's okay and you're a little like no this is like really sad it's really cute though you're good at other things sweetie thank you who is more likely to cancel plans to stay home oh to be fair we both love being at home we work so much and travel so much that you know our perfect night in is glass of wine in the vegetable patch you wait you sit in the vegetable patch david yeah he's he's created this incredible vegetable patch in our country house and it is incredible and if it's nice weather we just sit out there have a glass of wine and yeah just laugh he's funny david beckham's very funny by by the way.

57:28He is. He's very funny. People don't realize how funny he is. Who's funnier? Me. But of course, of course. You give him a compliment. You're like, but I'm also better at it. He's got to keep up. He's got to keep up. Okay. Who is more likely to overshare at a dinner party? Oh, me. I'll have too much to drink. I'll have too much tequila and then I'll just overshare. I had to make sure I didn't drink today before this because who knows what I would have said. Oh, I should have sauced you up. We'd be getting the... Oh, you're fine. Let's do that the next one. Okay, fair, fair, fair. so now we know each other perfect okay who is more likely to spoil the kids david love that um okay you have one daughter three sons are the boys ever protective over harper oh my gosh so much so that's really so protective so protective which is very sweet she's the youngest right yeah she's 14 i can't imagine because i have one older brother three older brothers i it's it's good but it's gonna be a lot for her can you imagine when she starts dating Well, they're all going to have to go.

58:29They're all going to have to go with her. No, they get a round table. Yeah. But by the way, she can look after herself. Harper looks so angelic and she's so appropriate in the way that she dresses. She's got a little mind like an entrepreneur. But I always say she's either going to be a businesswoman or she's going to be a stand-up comedian because she is hilarious. It sounds like she's got you and David in her, right? She's funny like David and a businesswoman like you. Oh, wait, but you're funny. She's funny like me and she's a businesswoman like me, but she looks like David. She looks like David.

59:03Victoria, I'm dead. Okay. What is your favorite thing to do with Harper when you guys need a break from all the male energy? Gosh, what do we like to do together? She's obsessed with beauty. And, you know, I mean, she's, of course she's going to be, you know, she, she was sitting on my lap when she was a little baby when I was doing development meetings for my for my beauty brand so she's just getting those contour sticks for free left and right oh my god the girl could dream she gives me beauty tips by the way yeah she's a she's obsessed is she gives me like tiktok hacks and you're like what is going on she does you know when I used to go to school I used to get sent to the bathroom to take my makeup off every day um because I used to wear a lot of makeup to cover the horrendous skin I used to have Harper had makeup on the other day very natural very beautiful she's got lovely skin and I said Harper you can't wear makeup to go to school she said why don't they want me to look my best mommy she's such a queen what do you say to that she's got a point you're like you know what babe pack the makeup wipes if they make you take it off they make you take it off but serve it's hard to know what to say to that that's actually so real um okay as a mom I'm sure you're always just worrying about your kids what is the hardest part about stepping back and letting them make their own decisions as adults?

1:00:24Gosh, I mean, we're such a close family. And, you know, communication is key. And we always let them know that anything that they want to talk about, you know, this is a safe forum, you know, that's really important. But, you know, they've got to go on their journeys themselves. I tell you the one thing, you know, we're constantly calling the children of famous parents nepo babies give the kids a chance it's not their it's not their fault you know and i think to just give the kids a chance and our kids are genuinely all really good sweet kind human beings you know being kind is so important hardworking they don't expect anything to just happen you know I feel like a huge theme of your life because it's you and David and you're so famous it's like your family is famous now and there's so much there's always going to be conversation about your life and your family and the dynamics and all that like how do you and David handle it again it's just about communicating, you know, and we've always been that way with the kids and I'm excited for them.

1:01:38You know, they're all very different. They all like to do different things. I mean, Cruz right now, he's about to release, I was about to say release a record. I'm sure that's really old fashioned terminology because I haven't been in the music industry for such a damn long time. But he's a musician. He writes all of his own songs. He plays about 10 different instruments. Are you like, sweetie, do you want mom on the track? Oh, my God. Oh, my God. 100 million albums, Cruz. Let's not forget that. Spice up your life. Oh, I remind him. Don't worry about that. You do? You're like, are you sure you don't mean to just pop on?

1:02:10He's like, mom, actually, leave me alone. It can be on backup. And you got four spice aunties that would also gladly be on backup, I'm sure. but what's so interesting about Cruz is he's really mastered his craft he learned to play all of his own instruments he's like playing in pubs around the country so a real grassroots approach that he has learned his craft and I think just give it just give the kid not just our kids just let the kids do their thing I'm dying at you being like but don't forget where you came from 100 million records sold get out of here kid um I feel like a huge conversation today and in the documentary has been about your search for your identity and fashion has truly from the beginning to now been such a core part of you at what point in your life though did you really realize okay I actually really want to make a career out of this I always loved fashion when I was customizing the school uniform.

1:03:18And throughout the Spice Girls, you know, I was the one that genuinely loved and appreciated the designer brands. And we've worked with the best stylists, the best makeup artists in the industry. And I was always a sponge. I wanted to learn. I wanted all the makeup tips. I was collecting makeup samples and products that had been discontinued. And if the makeup artist couldn't find the perfect nude, she'd mix one up for me. And I collected all those things. I've always been obsessed with product. But it wasn't until I met Roland Marais that I realized that with his help, maybe this is something that I could actually do.

1:04:01Because ultimately, I couldn't find what I desired with regards to clothing and then later on makeup. You know, I had a point of view. I had a signature from very early on in my in my sort of fashion journey because I was just wanted to create what I couldn't find. I do think, though, something that is obvious is all the way back to the beginning of this interview, which was it's really, really hard for people to take women seriously if they pivot in their careers. You made the pivot from being a Spice Girl, this pop star, to creating your own brand. Can you talk to me a little bit about the criticism that you had to face early on in your fashion career?

1:04:53Well, I think the fashion industry turned their nose up to the Spice Girls. And it's crazy because they turn their nose up at that. And because I didn't come have a traditional fashion training. But secretly, they love the Spice Girls. I remember we went back on tour and I'd already begun my fashion journey and you know all of the fashion industry they were all asking me for tickets and I came out in yet another catsuit and there's Vogue sitting in the front row and there's Harper's Bazaar so everybody loved the Spice Girls and I have to say no one loved the Spice Girls more than me but you know people had preconceptions because of that because I didn't have a traditional fashion training do you think though when you started to move more towards wanting to really really engage and become a part of the fashion industry you kind of had to change your image and how intense did you have to turn your back on your past and really forge forward with a little bit of a different vibe and image.

1:06:04Can you talk about that? Well, it was Roland Marais, who was a designer that I had so much admiration and respect for. He took me under his wing. He became my teacher. And he said to me, you know, the big boobs, they got to go. It was interesting because once I had the creative outlet that was fashion and the collections, I didn't feel that I needed to dress that way, you know, because that was attention seeking because I didn't have that creative outlet. And so I just simplified things. I didn't feel that I had to express myself in that way anymore. Do you feel like you had to kind of shy away and push Posh Spice to the side in order to fully 100 % go for the fashion world?

1:06:56Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, people had preconceptions because I'd been in the Spice Girls and I was so aware of that so I had to silence the noise keep my head down work hard and ultimately it was about the product it was about the product I don't ever put anything out there until I truly believe it's best in class whether that's a simple t-shirt or an eyeliner it's got to be the best and so it really was focusing on the product that um that gave me that credibility as you're saying that i'm like this is where it's such a double standard for men and women it's like you're posh spice you are so glam you've got the best fashion everyone's talking about your outfits everyone's talking about your makeup your entire career in the spice girls then you do a 180 and you're whether people liked it or not your wag era you also had another insane vision for this image that you were going to put on this character and walk out those doors and get photographed and then the minute you want to be taken seriously in another industry everyone's like no sweetie you're a pop star like please don't do that meanwhile and i love him it's like a perfect example is harry styles can launch vibrators everyone's like so cool we love this and it's like why can men pivot and do these big moments and everyone's like it's really smart it's really cool and then for you it's like sweetie just be grateful that you had what you had i wrote down aside from even that the misogyny right you have people writing articles and i quote she should just be happy fucking david beckham what does she need a career for yeah yeah like when you look back and you like hear those articles how do those comments make you feel just be happy you have david beckham it it's changing it has changed there's still a long long way to go i think this documentary has really surprised a lot of people and we're just scratching the surface you know i think that people have watched it have been like wait what that really happened yeah that really fucking happened let's open our eyes and not let it continue to happen for more decades to come.

1:09:16And let's stop being so in awe in interviews that people said this to people. And let's be like, now let's make a concerted effort to actually stop. Let's stop. Let's stop talking about women in a capacity that is just a singular focus. We can be multifaceted. We can do multiple things and we can celebrate women. And the more other women uplift other women, more opportunities go all around. How many things can we do at the same time? Do you know the other day, David was on his phone doing something and I tried to have a conversation with him and he was like wait wait wait I'm like what hang on you you you they can't do something on the phone and have a conversation not criticizing them for it by the way they can't at that moment how many things are we how many things are we doing we're painting our nails we're also scrolling we're on the phone and we're telling our husbands so what time they need to get in the car I'm like the bloody traveling circus I mean literally literally but it's so real um Something I really, really loved was you being vulnerable and open in this documentary about the realities of what was going on behind the scenes with your fashion brand.

1:10:21Right. We see you. You're cemented as a fashion brand. You're in Paris. You're crushing it. But then you open up about the financial struggles that were happening behind the scenes. And what I loved about that, Victoria, was, again, we're talking about it's nerve wracking right now. this is a huge dock on you and being a fashion designer you could have just kept it at that right yeah but then you actually let us in to some of the not so glamorous side of things talk to me about what happened with the finances well i came from a music background and most of my team came from a music background and we just didn't know any better to be completely transparent and listen I'll own it I'll hold my hands up and say you know I know I know differently now but whilst the collections were getting great reviews and the fashion industry were loving what we were doing people were desiring the clothes the clothes were selling out like crazy the business was not doing so well um and it was a really tough time and I've been really honest and really transparent about it in the documentary you know it's difficult the fashion industry is really really difficult and I think coming out the other end to be able to say as an independent brand fashion in its own right is profitable right now it's not a great time for fashion I'm so proud of that fact because it has been a roller coaster road to say the least ride roller coaster ride to say the least.

1:11:57We're on a ride. I thought it was really interesting how you talked about how in, you know, losing millions of dollars, you're like, I think people were really afraid to say no to me. Yeah. What did that teach you and how to adjust moving forward? And why do you think they couldn't say no to you? Well, let me tell you, they don't think twice about saying no to me now. Okay. Which is a good thing. Perfect. Which is a good thing. You're like, I love this material. They're like, no. Yeah, it's too expensive. Can't use it. Okay, I was just saying I like the couch. It's good. I think that people didn't like to tell me no.

1:12:35I think there's a power in celebrity. I think people thought that because of who I was, I expected the best of everything. And, you know, I didn't know any better. That's the truth. You went to David for financial help. You talk about this. What was that conversation like with him? It was difficult. You know, he's always believed in me and he's always supported me. But it was a difficult conversation to have because I was new into the industry as well. And it wasn't until that final scene in the documentary where that was the first time David said to me, I was supporting you. I was helping you.

1:13:20But I slash we couldn't really afford it. You know, yes, David supported me, but we've always supported each other. We share everything, all of the finances we share. But even I wasn't aware at that moment that we weren't really in a position to be able to propping up the business in that way. Do you think in hindsight, and I don't want to speak for you, but that was because he didn't want you to feel as stressed as you already were? No, I think it's because he genuinely believed in what I was doing. He could see the potential in the business. He could see that people were desiring the collections.

1:13:57So he saw that potential. This has never been a vanity project for me. And he could he could see that it was bloody expensive vanity project. If that's what it was. I mean, A little bit. Damn girl. But now you have not only gotten back on your feet, but it is profitable. Yes. And it continues to grow. What does that mean to you now? It means that I have spent a long time fixing. I now have solid foundations and now I can really build the house that I've always dreamed of. I think we're just scratching the surface. with both the fashion and the beauty. There is so much that we can do. We see huge opportunities.

1:14:46And so now is the exciting part. We've done the fixing. Yeah, you've done the hard work, and now it's like, let's continue to grow. Yeah, and I'm so ambitious. There is so much that I want to do, and I'm not afraid to work really hard. And I think we see that through the documentary right from when I was at school, and I was told I was thick, and I was told I wasn't good enough. That's happened throughout my whole life. But if you believe in yourself and you have a focus and you're not afraid to put in the hard work, you really can achieve great things. And if anybody can look at this documentary and think if she can do it, then I'm going to do it.

1:15:29Then, you know. You did your job. Yeah, I did. I also loved the final scene with you and David sitting there at the end of the documentary. And I just want every woman to tune in and listen to this right now, which was so inspiring. You've been through so much. Yes, you could have stopped at being a Spice Girl. You could have been an incredible mother to these beautiful children. You have this fashion brand. You could stop it when it got hard. And David was like, what do you think it is about? Like, what do you think? And at first you're like, oh, I want to make you proud of me or whatever. And he's like, it doesn't have anything to do with me.

1:16:08And then you were like, yeah, why is it bad to be ambitious? Why should I feel ashamed to say, I love this. I love the rush of putting in hard work and seeing my work pay off and seeing something that I've built come to fruition and see people enjoying it and loving it and wearing it or listening to it, engaging with it. And I think no one, and I hate always referencing the double standards, but it's true unless we keep talking about it's not going to change. no one has ever asked a man why do you keep going why keep going no one's saying that to these billionaire men no one so why do we keep asking women it's enough you should just be happy because i love this shit because i have a passion and i can do both i can be a mother and i can have a career and that is something we haven't seen represented and i think this new generation and you're a perfect example you're bringing it to life and you're like let's fucking go girls so As are you.

1:17:04Stop. I love you. As are you.

1:17:23You are a fashion icon. So before you leave, we need to soak up some of the wisdom. Okay. Are you ready? We're going to end with a game. what is a 90s trend you wish would come back catsuits i thought you were gonna say that you're like as i'm are they very uncomfortable i mean i wore some pvc ones pvc catsuits in the desert in hot weather is not comfortable alex and what is pvc it's like plastic like latex-y yes it's worth it you look so good okay what's the one thing you think every woman should own the perfect tuxedo jacket or the perfect pair of jeans are you into your high-waisted or low-waisted right now i like high-waisted yeah a high-waisted long jean that makes your legs look like they go on it's about creating an optical illusion love that's my thing yes that's why i got into this game.

1:18:19You're like, I'm here to make us look stunning, girl. Stick with me. Totally. What is one look of yours that David hated? Oh, what does he hate? Do you know, we were playing this game not too long ago and he said, what have I worn that you don't like? Now, I just said, you look great in everything because that's what they want to hear. Of course, you got it. They don't want the truth. No, no, no. But what would you say you hate? You don't like everything that he wears? No, I said you look great in everything. Oh, but what don't you actually like that he doesn't that he wears it does look good in everything it's david backham so he looks great and everything and then i said what do you not like me in and i thought well i've got this because you know i've got this and he went well yeah i mean when you wear all those big baggy clothes and you like drown yourself in fabric i was like i mean i was shocked shocked shocked i thought i've got this shit down what do you mean you don't like something this is like my thing this is me this is my whole this is who i am this is what i'm known for he's like okay wait so one i hate and you're like meanwhile that little shit you're like i went easy on you what is one piece from your line that you wear the most my alina jeans i wear them all the time because they just make my legs look so damn long and i'm actually five four i mean i'm short you look so tall the illusion oh stop keep going okay um how would you describe your current style in three words simple considered elegant cute okay what is one tip that you wish you could give your younger self when it comes to style there's something so nice about when you're growing up where, you know, I was quite naive.

1:20:09I didn't know about fashion. And when I look back at pictures and smile, however God awful it was, it's been part of the journey. And there was, you know, you feel free. There's a sense of naivety that I love when you're younger. So just enjoy it. Don't be scared. If that's how you want to express yourself, go for it. It's part of the journey. It's part of growing up. So do you think you do wish you would have smiled more or no? By the way, how smiley am I actually? No, Victoria, you're smiling all the time. It's just when that camera hits, you're like, so good. You know, I had a slogan t-shirt once that said, I'm smiling on the inside because I feel that it's my duty to the fashion community or something like that.

1:20:52I mean, I mean, listen, as the kids would say, you are serving cunt. OK. Oh, my God. I love that you said that. I love you even more now you said that. Victoria Beckham serves cunt. That's the fucking title. Oh my God, no, don't. That's a horrible headline. I'm actually really nice. Oh my God. Oh, you're thinking I'm saying, no, no, you're serving. It's a difference than being. Isn't it a shame we can't put it on a t-shirt? I know, it'd be so cunt. Okay, as we've talked about, you've been through so many different phases of your life. How do you feel in this era that you're in right now? Do you know I feel really content?

1:21:30and still super ambitious and really excited about the future. But I feel content. I feel peaceful. I feel really happy. Obviously, so blessed. And I'm excited for the future, you know. Today, how do you feel about Posh Spice? I love Posh Spice. I do love Posh Spice. I really do. You know, people say that the Spice Girls changed their lives and the Spice Girls made them feel good enough. Because I said earlier that we were all little misfits and we worked together. I would be such a different person if I hadn't met those Spice Girls. You know, they made me feel good enough. They made me, they turned me from being that morose seven-year-old into a confident, happy adult.

1:22:23And it's taken really this documentary process for me to really reflect and honestly say that at 51 years old, I feel good enough. It's taken me 51 years to realize however many times people have told me I'm not, I'm good enough. And that feels good. I love you being so open about that. I think this is such an inspiring conversation. The documentary is so inspiring. I think for so many young women, whatever age, actually, as a woman like to you for you to say like at 51 I'm actually feeling finally I think it's like we have to give ourselves grace that it's a process and it's going to take a while but really it is not to be corny but like it really is always within you that you can find the strength and the courage to be like I love myself and the sooner you can get there the sooner you're at peace with yourself and it's beautiful to from all the way to the beginning of this talking about that young girl talking about all the headlines and all of it it didn't break you you shouldn't have had to go through it but it made you stronger and it's why you are the woman you are today sitting in front of me i cannot thank you enough for coming and calling her daddy i am not going to be able to sleep tonight i'm going to be like why didn't i ask her 19 more questions um but thank you for answering everything and thank you for being so thank you and thank you for everything as well and for everything that you're doing for women i have really really respect and admire you And when I was listening to the episode that you did with Jane Fonda and she said that she had been interviewed so many times and you were the best interview.

1:24:01I honestly echo that. I really do. I really do. Thank you. You made my job easy today. Seriously. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. It was an honor to meet you. I love you. And good luck with everything. Let's have a tequila now. Please. Please. Please. I need one.

1:24:21Thank you.