In short
Zayn reconnects with Alex Cooper on life in Vegas, fatherhood, hobbies, masculinity, anxiety, and why being single feels freeing. He also discusses dating boundaries, avoiding public relationships, and his approach to fame and social media.
Guests
Zayn (British singer; former One Direction member; released new music after the “Stairway to the Sky” tour; now doing a Vegas residency and arena/stadium shows). Alex Cooper is the host (Call Her Daddy).
Guest backgrounds
Zayn lives in Pennsylvania with his daughter Kai and farm animals (turtles, chickens, dogs, cats). He’s a private person who doesn’t keep social media on his phone and manages anxiety with meditation and mindfulness.
Key claims
Single life is “freeing” because he runs on his own clock and avoids relationship pressure/guilt. He doesn’t chase perfectionism and says he puts “none” pressure on himself to meet others’ standards. He avoids toxic masculinity, valuing vulnerability and honesty.
Notable examples
He sends cookies to a Nextdoor neighbor; a backyard video-game shoot caused a complaint; he grows melons/tomatoes/carrots/chilies and freezes chilies; he carves small wood bears/birds from YouTube tutorials; he won’t let glitter into his home; he uses gratitude lists to calm anxiety; he won’t introduce a dating partner to Kai until serious (and ideally after marriage).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCatching Up with Zayn
0:33 to 1:42
Zayn shares updates on his life, music, and experiences since their last interview.
“It's like one day a week, you're like, I'm gonna get this place together.”
Catching Up with Zayn
1:56 to 4:00
Zayn shares updates on his life, music, and experiences since their last interview.
“I can't believe I was thinking about it this morning.”
Life in Pennsylvania vs. Vegas
4:01 to 6:00
Zayn discusses the differences between his life in Pennsylvania and Las Vegas.
“I don't really go out with security and stuff.”
Animal Companions and Gardening
6:01 to 7:40
Zayn talks about his pets and his experiences with gardening.
“I obviously in my parents house, I have sad news.”
Zayn's New Hobbies
7:41 to 9:10
Discussion about Zayn's interests in woodworking and the challenges of gardening.
“I was like, I'm aware I don't own Pierre.”
Intellectual Hobbies and Book Clubs
9:11 to 10:30
Zayn shares his thoughts on attractive hobbies and the possibility of starting a book club.
“Yeah, sometimes I do wear overalls, I fully lean into the farm thing.”
Growth and Learning Curves
10:31 to 14:00
Zayn reflects on personal growth and the challenges of learning new skills.
“melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber, all kinds of chilies.”
Embracing New Challenges
14:06 to 15:01
Exploring the joy of learning new skills and overcoming challenges.
“And I'm actually with some friends in PA now.”
Perfectionism and Growth
15:01 to 15:56
A conversation about the relationship with perfectionism and personal growth.
“I enjoyed the beginning stage of not being good at something and then seeing the progression over the years, putting that time in.”
Self-Acceptance and Approval
15:56 to 16:51
Discussion on self-acceptance and the importance of personal happiness.
“I enjoyed this idea of striving for perfection.”
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Masculinity and Vulnerability
16:51 to 17:53
Exploring unconventional views on masculinity and emotional honesty.
“I just, yeah, it's just never been a thing.”
Impact of Fatherhood on Perspectives
17:53 to 19:19
Discussion on how fatherhood has changed views on gender relations.
“I think my relationship with masculinity is unconventional in a way.”
Dreams for His Daughter
19:19 to 20:28
Zayn shares his hopes and dreams for his daughter's future.
“For me personally, I feel like I've always thought about that anyway because I have three sisters and five aunties and it's a big female family.”
Fun Family Activities
20:28 to 21:45
Sharing memorable experiences and fun activities with his daughter.
“you know but at the end of the day if she's happy like I said you know I'll support her.”
Providing for His Daughter
21:45 to 22:46
Reflections on financial stability and parenting responsibilities.
“Wait, so did you suggest the Monster Jam thing or did she?”
Parenting Styles and Upbringing
22:46 to 24:23
Discussion on how upbringing influences parenting style choices.
“She's going to be like, Dad, what is this shit?”
Connecting with Inner Child
24:23 to 27:51
How spending time with his daughter has helped reconnect with his youth.
“You said she's obviously like your only kid.”
Becoming a Parent at a Young Age
29:11 to 30:50
Zayn reflects on his experience of becoming a father at 27.
“But in reality, it's been completely different.”
Navigating Dating as a Dad
30:50 to 32:59
Zayn discusses the changes in dating after becoming a father.
“And then you get there and it's like, you're still the same person.”
Introducing Partners to Children
32:59 to 34:25
Zayn shares his thoughts on the importance of introducing partners to his daughter.
“Maybe the girlfriend first meets the girls.”
The Freedom of Being Single
34:25 to 36:41
Zayn explains how being single has felt freeing for him.
“You've obviously been in a public relationship before.”
The Illusion of Social Media
36:41 to 40:06
A conversation on the pressures and false portrayals of life on social media.
“I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I want.”
Evolving Understanding of Love
40:06 to 42:01
Zayn reflects on his past relationships and his evolving definition of love.
“I asked you when I first interviewed you to describe yourself in three words.”
Zayn's Reflections on Love and Anxiety
42:01 to 47:59
Zayn shares his complex feelings about love and how he manages anxiety since becoming a father.
“just to say this on record, I will always love G because she's the reason my child isn't on this earth.”
Zayn's Reflections on Love and Anxiety
48:35 to 49:01
Zayn shares his complex feelings about love and how he manages anxiety since becoming a father.
“That's why Tinder has astrology mode and music mode.”
Discussing New Music and Lyrics
49:01 to 56:01
Zayn delves into his new music, the themes it explores, and his creative process.
“What can fans, if they haven't been, expect from a Zayn show?”
Creative Process Behind Lyrics
56:01 to 58:06
Explore how Zayn finds inspiration for his lyrics and creative process.
“And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm, daydreaming or meditating, having a thought and being like, that's an interesting line, and then you write it down?”
Artist Evolution and Personal Growth
58:07 to 1:00:08
Zayn discusses his journey from a young artist to his current self.
“So I guess I'm really proud of the progression and just the development and understanding of myself through my music.”
Reflections on Personal Growth
1:00:09 to 1:02:02
Zayn reflects on his past self and the lessons learned throughout his career.
“I think back to being in Pennsylvania with you.”
Reunion and Future Plans
1:02:03 to 1:03:11
Zayn and Alex reminisce about past interviews and discuss future meetings.
“Zane and I obviously have a little surprise to end the night.”
Single Preview: 'Die For Me'
1:03:12 to 1:04:46
Zayn introduces his new single and shares insights about it.
“All right, who wants to air my next single?”
Single Preview: 'Die For Me'
1:08:55 to 1:10:00
Zayn introduces his new single and shares insights about it.
“as you gather to celebrate America's 250th birthday with friends and family, Hidden Valley Ranch, it will be right there with you.”
Transcript
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1:59I can't believe I was thinking about it this morning. I'm like, it has been, I think, almost three years since I last saw you. Yeah. It's good to see you. How have you been? Been good. Yeah. Just been a dad when I'm not working. Aside from that, yeah, we've done another album. Conoco. Got it together pretty much after I did the Stairway to the Sky tour. Felt the vibe on stage and stuff, seeing what people were responding to. Then got home, back to PM, was super inspired to make another record. I think I did it in two weeks. I love it. You're like, I'm a dad. And then when I'm not working, I'm like, oh, right casual.
2:38You're on stage performing, and then you're just back in Pennsylvania in your like little it's a bit of a contrast yeah just a just a little bit slight one to anyone who isn't familiar or doesn't remember the first episode that we ever recorded together was in my parents house in pennsylvania which is still a little bit of a mindfuck to me that we were i remember when you left there were kids in the cul-de-sac being like crashing into the tree being like is that zane people see me yeah yes there was like little kids in the cul-de-sac being like, wait, that's not - I didn't notice any kids. Well, because no one in Pennsylvania ever gets like a star-studded moment.
3:14So the fact that you're just casually leaving - That's why everyone thinks it's so weird. I live there. Everyone's always like, yo, you're such a weirdo. Why do you live in PA? I just live with that. I love it. Yeah. And now we're in Vegas because you have a residency here. So like from like Pennsylvania cul-de-sac to Vegas, like the vibes are just like a little different today. Just a little. I was thinking about it in that first interview. that was your first time really talking in almost seven years. So we kind of went through everything. We talked about your rise to fame. We talked about you walking away from One Direction.
3:44We talked about your early relationships. We went to almost everything. So today, I think we just hang out and catch up and have a little bit of fun. How long have you been in Vegas? Being here, coming up to two weeks now. Yeah, not too long. What have you been doing? Have you gone to the Strip? No, I haven't been to the strip. Could you even go? I probably could. I don't really go out with security and stuff. I kind of just keep it low key. It's me and a couple of people from the team or whatever. So I think it attracts less attention that way. So yeah, I probably could go out. It's not really my vibe.
4:21These days, I'm getting a bit old. When I'm not working, I just want to go home and relax. How old are you again? 33. He's like, I'm such an old man. Every 33 year old is like... I can all my... Everyone's like, keep that energy to yourself, saying you're not old, you're young. Wait, have you gone to the casinos? Yeah, we had a little look because obviously they had the tables with my face on them and stuff, so we went to go check that out. That was fun. But I'm not really a gambler either. It's not really my thing. Did you lose any money? Never really lost a big amount of money in my life. I bet on fights and stuff, like UFC fights, boxing fights, here and there, if I know somebody's going to win.
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6:39Like, are you like, do you have any hot gossip for me? Like what's going on in Pennsylvania? Not much, to be honest. That's why I live there. It's real quiet, calm out there. You know what I mean? There's not much going on. I don't really leave my gaff. I'll be honest with Yeah, I kind of just stay there at the house. Do you have neighbors? I do have neighbors, yeah, but they're quite far away. Have you ever interacted with them? Yeah, I have. Yeah, we got some, I got a new neighbor, Nextdoor neighbor. We were in like maybe, I want to say about five, six months ago now. Good vibes. So I sent them cookies and, you know, welcome to the neighborhood.
7:12You sent them cookies? Did you bake them? No, no, I sent them Nextdoor, but they sent their number back, like, and like said, if you ever need anything, you want us to watch the house or whatever. Oh, sweet. Yeah, it's nice. What do you think they think of you? I'm not sure, you know. I did have something quite funny happen. Recently I was working at the house. I was filming something for Borderlands for the video game. We did the song. And we had like a whole thing going on in the field, like smoke grenades and crazy shit and somebody complained. I was like, Zane doesn't own Pierre. I was like, I'm aware I don't own Pierre.
7:47They're like, hey, what's going on in the backyard? Yeah, they thought I was having like a crazy festival in the back garden, but I actually was just working. Okay, so you were causing like a little bit of a ruckus, but for the most part, you're usually dead silent. Yeah, pretty much. So you were like, give me a break. I'm not throwing parties. Just like throwing grenades. That's why I like the space, because I can put the music as loud as I want, and I'm not really disturbing anybody, you know? Something that went so viral from our last episode together, which I thought was so wild, was you talking about your animals.
8:17The internet lost their minds. Okay, we talked about your cats, your dogs, your turtles, your chickens. Who do we have now? How are the animals doing? They're all pretty much the same. Yeah, I've got turtles, chickens, dogs, cats. I lost one of my cats actually recently. Which one? One of my sphinxes. Yeah, it was kind of sad. I'm so sorry. You said that for the chickens, you also kind of stopped naming them at one point because it was too traumatizing when you would lose them. If something happens to them, yeah. So now they're just called the girls. That's it. So you're not naming them anymore?
8:49No, no names. So when you see your chickens in the morning, you're just greeting them as like... What's going on, girls? They're a collective now. Hey, girls. I'm trying to think of your fashion sense, right? You're kind of known as like you've got some swag going on. When you're on the farm, what are you wearing? Like, are you in overalls? Sometimes, actually. Yeah, sometimes I do wear overalls, I fully lean into the farm thing. But yeah, not just relaxed, casual stuff, you know, jeans, t-shirt, checkered shirt from time to time. He is so Pennsylvania. It's crazy. You're wearing full flannels.
9:29Yeah, but it helps you blend in. Wawa's. Oh my God, I forgot we talked about Wawa last time. And I was like, honestly, you're a real one that you actually go there. Do you leave your house a lot and like go around in Pennsylvania? Like, are you shopping? I'm not going to be a dick. I'm not going to lie to you. I like DoorDash and Uber Eats quite a lot. You're like, I've never, you don't even know what McCaffrey's is, do you? It's a grocery store, Zane. No, I don't know what McCaffrey's is. So you just give me Wawa because you're like, I know that's a Pennsylvania staple, but like I've probably never even been.
10:00No, I've been to Wawa. I've been in there a few times. Yeah, but I prefer to order from there because usually when I'm getting food from there, it's like three in the morning. Let's talk about gardening. Yeah. I heard you've been up to gardening lately, which I feel like you weren't doing when I first met you. What are you growing over there in your overalls? I actually have been growing stuff for a minute since I moved out to Pia, maybe about a year after I was living out there. I just realized there's so much land. Like, you can just mess around in the mud and shit. So, yeah, I grow all kinds of different stuff.
10:32melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber, all kinds of chilies. Like chili plants grow really well there too. Yeah, all kinds of stuff. Jalapenos, bullet chilies. And then are you taking these and then you're cooking? Yeah, take them. I freeze a lot of the chilies because you can't use them all at once, unless you want to die. But yeah, we freeze a lot of stuff and keep it. I have been wanting to do that. Like, I probably will never do it. But I'm like, in a dream world, I'm like, I should be gardening. But like, what has what's the plant that's really frustrated you the most?
11:09Frustrated me? Probably either cucumber or pumpkin. Why? Because it's like an aggressive plant. Like it's invasive, I think is the term they use for it. And it just overtakes everything else because it's got vines and they kind of have a mind of their own and they just strangle your other plants and suffocate them for the light. Okay, good to know. So like I shouldn't even try with cucumbers. Don't put tomatoes or cucumbers in there or anything. They have to be by themselves. I'm going to need to get a list from you of like if you're going to put these in this area. Okay, so you're pretty like expert at this point.
11:41I won't say expert. I'm all right. But yeah, you're about to ask me some questions about it. Maybe off camera. I'm like, okay, for an idiot like me, what's the first thing that's the easiest to grow? Probably somewhat simple, like onions or carrots. They tend to grow quite well. It don't really matter what the climate's like either. See, these are the important things we need, Zane. Like, I know this is called her daddy, but like, you've got a brain of your own over there that I feel like you're like, have a lot of weird wisdom. And this is what I'm trying to soak up, okay? Okay. Let's talk about woodworking.
12:16I heard from a little birdie that that's also a new hobby of yours. What are you doing? Yeah, I like to carve things out of wood. Like small pieces of wood, not like big projects or anything, but like small blocks of wood and I like carve like bears out of them and stuff. A bear? Bear. I can do bird now. Hold on. So walk me through that. You've got a knife or how do you do it? It's a carving knife. You can get like sets that are specifically made for that, like for soft wood. yeah and I just watch like random YouTube videos of people doing it and then just copy them. Are you just like hoarding all of this stuff or are you giving it away as gifts?
12:55I was actually at one point thinking it'd be really sick to like give them to people as Christmas presents or whatever because it takes a lot of time and it's thought and effort but the only ones I've done so far are Kai hats like I did them for Kai and she keeps them on a shelf like. Cute. Have you given her a bird or a bear? She's got like four bears because they're like practice you know right the first one's like so bad it was shit it just got better yeah that's really cute and yeah but she's got like a little bird i'm interested to know like i feel like a first date a lot of people that's a classic question someone would be like tell me about your hobbies like what's a hobby of yours it's like a classic question what do you think would be one of the most attractive hobbies someone could have because you obviously are a man of quite interesting hobbies yeah um the most attractive hobby that i think somebody could have um is probably reading um because you get information from that you know it gives you some stimulus for conversation you want an intellectual woman yeah maybe someday you're like alex stop it wait So would you ever like start a little book club with someone?
14:09A book club? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, when I get a bit older. Yeah, it'd be kind of cute. Wait, why do I feel like in Pennsylvania, I'm going to see you in the next three years and you're going to be like, Alex, that idea sparked something and I have a full Pennsylvania book club and it's going to be just you and a bunch of women. And I'm actually with some friends in PA now. Thank you, Alex. I love how you think that like people wouldn't want to be your friend in PA. Like everyone wants to be your, you just have to leave your house. But a book club is an easy way. Maybe you start with the old couple that lives next to you.
14:37Let me know. Let me know if you get into it. I'll let you know. When you start something new, obviously there's like a bit of a learning curve. And I think you're someone who is so successful and you're obviously a very talented person. But how does it make you feel when you maybe are kind of at a beginner's level with things that you're taking on and it takes time to get good at something? Do you like that? That's, yeah, why I get into so many weird, random things. I enjoy that feeling. I enjoyed the beginning stage of not being good at something and then seeing the progression over the years, putting that time in.
15:11Even when I was a little kid, in a weird way, like when I was eight, nine, that was what it was that enticed me about wanting to do music. I wasn't great. You don't just come out and you're amazing at things. I was really rubbish. I couldn't sing at all. I had to work hard and practice. You actually think you couldn't sing at all? Oh, shit, man. What, eight, nine-year-old me? Yeah, terrible. Yeah, I won't put that kid on stage. Okay, but terrible by your standard or if a video came out of you at eight? They might think it's cute, you know? Like, I was quite cute, but it's definitely not good. Yeah, talent level has definitely increased, I'd like to say.
15:48The pitch wasn't there. No. What is your relationship to perfectionism? Again, closely related to the previous question, you know? I enjoyed this idea of striving for perfection. I'm also very aware that it doesn't exist. So I just drive myself a little bit insane with it. But I feel like it's healthy because it pushes you further, you know, pushes the boundaries, makes you give up. You said in an interview that you like leaning into simple things where there's no infiltration from other people's expectations. How much pressure do you put on yourself to live up to other people's standards? None.
16:29None. Yeah. Have you always been like that? Truthfully. Yeah, I really don't give a shit. Yeah. That's why I kind of like stick to myself, just keep to myself. I'm not doing things for other people's approval. You can't keep everybody happy, you know? It's not really a thing that you can achieve. Some people are going to like you, some people are not. At the end of the day, I think it's more important to like yourself. That's a really incredible quality to have because I think, I mean, I've sat down with a lot of people and I feel like a lot of people would say I've gotten to that point but I haven't always been that way and to hear that you have like how do you think you've always just been kind of secure and comfortable with yourself like what do you attribute that yeah I don't even know if it's so much I would say I am secure and comfortable with myself I strive for that you know um and that's the most important thing for me like if I'm cool with myself um and yeah like I guess you do that by just living in your truth and not really caring about impressing other people.
17:32I don't know where it comes from. I just, yeah, it's just never been a thing. It's really incredible to hear you talk like that, though. I feel like as someone who's so public and you've been obviously in music for so long, I'm curious to know what your and how you would describe your relationship to masculinity. I think my relationship with masculinity is unconventional in a way. I'm very aware of what toxic masculinity is and I try to stay away from that. And I like to do things that people wouldn't necessarily think that I would do. Give me some examples. like in you know in a in a cultural sense i feel like um in the last like 10 15 years things have changed you know like what's appropriate for guys to do and what's appropriate for females to do um cooking you know things like that i don't think you know 10 years ago people dudes are really out here being like yo i like cooking you know in my spare time or uh i cry bluey or you know whatever like um just being honest you know i mean with the things like you don't have to always be the cool macho dude.
18:46You know, I guess that's my relationship with masculinity. I feel like there's much more strength in vulnerability and honesty. Yeah. Are you sitting there crying at Bluey and Kai is like, dad, what are you doing? Occasionally. Yeah. She, she, it's always a little bit embarrassed for me. Yeah. Always my emotional feels as a parent. That's actually amazing. Like I can picture the visual and you're like, oh, sorry. Didn't mean that. Um, how do you think having a daughter has impacted the way that you think about how society and men treat women? That's a very interesting question. For me personally, I feel like I've always thought about that anyway because I have three sisters and five aunties and it's a big female family.
19:34So I've been forced to hear nothing but female opinions for a very long time. But me having a child, becoming a father has definitely amplified it further. And I guess just made me be more consciously aware that any woman I am having an interaction with or speaking to, it is somebody's daughter or sister. And it just makes you approach that with a little bit more respect, I guess. Yeah. As a dad, what is your biggest wish for Kai? Honestly, I just hope that she gets to do in life whatever she wishes to do and she's happy. I remember last time we talked, you were saying how you would sing to her and she was enjoying that.
20:19What currently does she want to be when she grows up? She definitely wants to be a K-pop star. She's big into K-pop. Oh my God. How do you feel about that? I'd like to keep away from it. you know but at the end of the day if she's happy like I said you know I'll support her. Can you imagine you being like no you can't be in a girl group and and then she's like really dad you're a hypocrite and you're like yeah I won't be able to say that yeah so I'm just gonna have to support her but me personally yeah I would like to keep her away from some of the headache that this job entails you know. Keep her in the Pennsylvania world.
20:56That's it yeah. Keep her on the farm. With the chickens and the animals and shit. Keep her with the girls. Okay, last time we also talked, you said that you took Kai to the Nickelodeon theme park and you guys had the best time. What is another fun or special thing that you've gotten to do with her since then? We've done quite a bit since then. I took her to Monster Jam not long ago. What is that? The monster truck show, which I was convinced that they were going to be like slamming into each other 100 miles an hour. They don't do that. They just kind of like do like bounces around on the sand for like an hour and a half.
21:32So a little bit anticlimactic for me, but I enjoyed it. And then I think we went to go see Blackpink live. Took her there. How good. So good. I just saw them in Japan and it was amazing. It's so fun. They're really good. Wait, so did you suggest the Monster Jam thing or did she? She actually suggested it. I think somebody in school told her about it and she was like, dad, we should go here. And I think she knew I was going to kind of like it too. So she's like, I'll take my dad somewhere where he'll enjoy it. Yeah, it was fun. She was right. We had talked about, and you had shared with me about growing up with financial instability and insecurities.
22:10What does it mean to you to be able to provide so much for your daughter without that level of stress? I'm so glad you asked me that question. It's everything. even to the degree that like you know I'm raising her in an environment that you know isn't the same as everybody's you know her dad is a pop star her mom is a model and certain things that she does in life might not you know always reflect what other people's understanding of reality is you know so I think I gave her a bit too much money from the tooth fairy um how much are we talking 500 quid zane it's her first tooth hold on her mom gave me shit about it and i was like at the end of the day like i worked my ass off and like i should be able to give my kid what what i want to give her you know hold on hold on hold on i may have to agree with her mom on this hold on yeah a lot of people do five hundred dollars for one tooth yeah it's her first tooth though but then what's going to happen with the second one she gets five no yeah that's it The first two, I'm going to keep that one in front of me.
23:19She's going to be like, Dad, what is this shit? It's like a$1 bill. You're like... Yeah, that's it. Two-phase gone broke now. She's not giving you anything else. Oh my God,$500 is so crazy. But also, every person is so jealous right now being like, wow. She's my first kid. I know. Give me a break. Somebody, please. Okay, I do give you a break. Not you. I'm just saying people in general like obviously look at a certain type of way but look at the end of the day I was lucky if I got anything for my teeth you know. And I've worked really hard for everything I've earned so I don't feel like I should have to answer for them things you know.
23:59I think it's a great point and I think I obviously don't have kids yet but I think a lot of becoming a parent is trying to right the wrongs of things that you wish you. There's definitely that too, you know what I mean? That like feeling of, you know, I didn't get to do this, so I want you to be able to feel this. And I overcompensate a little bit too much sometimes for that. Yeah, for sure. Home, hands up. Well, it's also coming from such a genuinely good place. Like you saying, like, I'm so excited that I'm able to give this to her. To do it for her, yeah. No one ever did that for me. You said she's obviously like your only kid.
24:31Like, would you want more kids ever? I do, yeah. It's not something I'm like actively trying to pursue. But yeah, for sure. I would like more kids. Obviously, Kai would have to approve too because she's got the highest opinion, you know. But yeah, never say never. I love that too. She'd be the full head honcho. Like she's the oldest. Would you want big or smaller? Like would you want a lot of kids? Like a big family? Yeah. Oh yeah, definitely. I come from a big family. I seen someone in a stand-up show the other day and this guy was talking on stage and it was like, you know, when I used to watch Full House, like as a kid, if that was any other ethnicity family, it would just be called House, not Full House.
25:17And I was like, it's so true. Because like, we had like 15 people in the house all day, every day, you know? So yeah, it's something I'm used to. I'm enjoying the, you know, the peace and quiet of it just being me and Kai. But eventually, yeah, like I'd like to lean into that. Yeah, maybe, I'd say like maybe four. No more than four. Okay, no more. Yeah. And then you get four and you're like, okay, one more. Maybe. We'll see. We'll see. I guess I'd have to find a partner first. Yeah, wait, shit. We'll get there. We'll get there. We'll talk about dating. I have to ask her as well. You know, it's not really on me.
25:48You're like, we can pretend all day, Alex, but. It's really up to the woman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you think, though, your upbringing has also influenced your parenting style now? um i thought my upbringing was gonna influence my parenting style in a way that i would be super strict and and like you know regimented with everything and it's the complete opposite like um i do not care to admit that i'm a complete pushover when it comes to my daughter she looks at me a type of way and i just kind of just like melt a little bit and then just give it to her like what is an example she gets away with uh whenever she wants like a candy or something that she's not meant to be having or it's a bit late and she don't want to go to sleep.
26:30She's like, can I watch one more cartoon? And I'm like, yeah, you can. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for Kai. You told me that spending time with your daughter has helped you reconnect with your own inner child. What has that looked like for you over the years? My own inner child has always been pretty loud and prominent in my personality. I think it's the reason I'm a creative. I like painting and doing things that might be more appealing to people of a younger age. But since doing it with her, she's just kind of brought a lot of things back for me. How much I enjoy doing them things during the day, watching cartoons, things like that, like watching films and just enjoying kiddie stuff with her, messing around with Play Doh and sand and all the messy shit.
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27:22All the good stuff. No glitter though. Glitter's not allowed in my house. That's the only thing. Why? Because I hate it. I hate glitter. So if she came to you and said, Dad. She's not allowed. She won't even ask me. She knows she'll be hiding little vows of glitter to put on her artwork. What bad experience did you have with glitter? I just hear glitter goes everywhere. It gets on everything. It gets stuck on your face and your eyes and your nose. It's weird. So that's where you will not be a pusher. That's where I draw the line. Okay. Good to know. It's glitter. Zane's line is glitter for his daughter.
27:53Got it.
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29:45So I was kind of just expecting a lot of things to happen that didn't and kind of, you know, over-empting or pre-empting what, you know, was going to be the situation and just putting, you know, 80 years of pressure over a lifespan on myself in five minutes, finding out that my girlfriend's pregnant, You know what I mean? So it was a lot. But in reality, it's been completely different. You know, you take it a day at a time. And she's such an amazing human being that I just feel honored, really, without sounding too cheesy to just be her dad and be around her. Yeah. Isn't that so weird, though?
30:21Like when you grow up, you have these ideas of adults and then you become an adult and you're like, wait, being an adult, it's kind of like you're not actually an adult. Nobody has a fucking clue what they're doing. No one ever did. Everyone's just lying to me. It's so crazy. We look at our parents and we're like, oh my God, you're so old. I'm going to be like - You got all figured out. You know everything. But yeah, they don't know anything. They don't know anything. They're just as scared as you. Right? So I do think it's also weird. It's like when you hit these milestones in life, we have a expectation of exactly what we're going to feel.
30:49Like, oh, I'll be changed. I'll be better. I'll be this. And then you get there and it's like, you're still the same person. Your life doesn't just change completely overnight like that. So it is helpful as you go through those big life stages to kind of give yourself grace in those moments to be like, huh. So then everyone must feel this way. It's not just me, right? You would hope so anyway. Okay. We have to talk a little bit about dating, which I already feel like I know your answer. D-day? We have to talk about D-day? What did you just say? Did you just say D-day? No, dating. Dating. I thought you said we have to talk about D-day.
31:22I was like, what is this? I don't even know what this is. D-day? dating which maybe to you feels like me asking about d-day because you're like that's like freudian moment you're like no wait what d-day fuck um are you seeing anyone right now no i knew you were gonna say that not even like texting okay that's fair you're not dating you're just you're talking i've got a few friends yeah but no no i'm not i'm not dating anybody Okay, so a few friends. You went on Tinder once, right? Did you ever make it out of the app? No one ever believed it was me, to be honest with you, so it didn't really work for me.
32:04But yeah. What was your profile picture? Of me. But like, was it from Google? No. No, there's no app, like camera roll pictures. Okay, so like it wasn't online that you could find it? No, no. Well, that's like the tell. They should have known it was you. Yeah, but what they're going to do is search online. Is this photo from online? So dating apps are not for you anymore? Not really. How has being a dad impacted the way that you approach dating right now? I don't know if being a dad's changed the way I approach dating. I guess the only difference with that is the time, you know? Like I said, when I'm not working, I'm with Kai.
32:41So like finding the time to even go on dates and do that kind of stuff is a bit difficult, I'll be honest with you. What would it take for you to introduce someone to your daughter? I think I'd have to be really serious about that woman and like maybe plan on marrying her before she'd be introduced to my daughter but before the woman gets a ring she's going to meet Kai right you're like wedding I'd have to decide maybe like on the third day I'm like yeah I'm going to marry this woman nah you can meet my bird meet my daughter sorry yeah my daughter can meet my bird or you can meet my chickens it's up to you hold on hold on You're saying that bird is a northern...
33:23You call bird... Your female, your bird. Okay, okay. I was like, she's meeting the chickens? No, she's meeting my girlfriend. Maybe the girlfriend first meets the girls. Yeah, the chickens. Then the turtles. And then slowly, if the vibe is right, Kai one day. I just feel like there's a lot of pressure, you know? Like, call me old school when I said this, but like, I wouldn't want to ever put that kind of pressure on somebody else even, you know? Like, meet my daughter, have a relationship with her, then don't work out between me and you, and then you've gone somewhere, and my daughter's got this relationship with you, and she don't get to see you again.
33:56Kind of sucks, you know? Like, I wouldn't want to put her through that. It's kind of on me, so I feel like I have to be smarter about that. And obviously I'm joking. Like, maybe if I was dating a bird for, like, a decent amount of time, five, six months properly, and we'd get serious, then I'd say, oh, yeah, like, do you want to meet my daughter, you know? When I know she's not crazy. Yeah, you need to really make sure you're putting her through tests and finally you're like, okay, you have passed the not crazy test. Now is the next step. You've obviously been in a public relationship before. Would you be open to that again?
34:31Or are we going full private? No. Yeah, I'm not looking for a public relationship again. And just out of experience. No offense to anybody that I have been in public relationships with before. I've just learned from it that it don't work for me, you know? I'm quite a private person. I don't really strive for people's, you know, approval or attention. So the relationship should really be between me and that person. And I think that personality type would, somebody who doesn't want to do that would be more suited to me, you know? Oh, man, maybe you're going to find like a Pennsylvania baddie. Because like girls in Pennsylvania don't expect, you know?
35:13Some bad Amish bud. Yeah. And they're like, oh, I didn't expect this life in the limelight. It's fine if we never leave the farm. Okay, keep me updated. Good to know. All the girls in Pennsylvania are like, I must find him back on the dating apps. For 10 really formative years of your life, from 17 to about 27, you were in serious relationships. This is kind of the longest you've ever publicly been single. What was the scariest part of being alone for the first time? Again? You didn't care. I don't find being alone scary. Like, again, I think it links to the other question you asked me about, like, how are you cool with yourself?
35:59I'm cool with myself. I like my own thoughts. I like to do things myself. I like to be in my own company. I'm not codependent like that at all. Even with my parents, I love them, I respect them. They're always there if I need them, but I'm not codependent on them. I don't need to speak to them every single day and check things with them. So it wasn't really scary for me. Honestly, again, no disrespect to all the past relationships I've been in because people tend to take things out of context. No disrespect at all. It was freeing. Like, I am that type of person who runs on my own clock, answers to myself.
36:40So it was so freeing to me. I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I want. You know what I mean? Nice. Go to bed whatever time I want, eat what I want, eat in the bed. Like all kinds of shit, you know, that like is not cool when you're in a couple. So yeah, it's just been freeing for me and no pressure, you know, like I can't really get in trouble that way either. You know, I tend to get in trouble in relationships too because I was young and, you know, did certain things, you know, spoke to other females when I shouldn't have been, as most people do. You live and learn from it.
37:16But this way, there's no guilt, you know. I can just be free and speak to whoever I want. And, you know, hopefully if I meet somebody that I want to be serious with, I'll have spent enough time in this place to know that I want to be with that person and be committed to them. It's a great point. It's like you can acknowledge you messed up when you were younger and you're not proud of it. But also like unless you're ready to get into a relationship where you know you can be faithful. I don't want to keep doing the same thing, you know? Yeah. But, okay, I feel like there's a difference between enjoying your own company and then self-isolation.
37:48Have you ever intentionally? Self-isolated? Yes. To a certain degree, I think I did a little bit like after the band, you know, like I took a bit of time to myself. But I wouldn't say it's complete isolation. I always still have people around, you know. My manager's always around that works with me and like my best friends come out and see me from time to time. Not as much as I'd like because it is quite a long flight. But I wouldn't say it's like self-isolation. It's more just like removing myself from the noise for a bit. You said that you're finally in a place now where you don't need another person to identify or find yourself in.
38:26That's what we're talking about. How in the past were you losing yourself in past relationships? I don't know if I was necessarily losing myself. I just felt like there was so many things I had to do in order for this other person to be happy and things that I didn't necessarily find enjoyment in. You know, like I'm not the type of dude that likes to go to five star Michelin restaurants every night and get pictured and, you know, go here and go there. This person's invited you and they're really famous. You should go hang out with them. I'm like, you know, because we've both got the same job. You're just going to put us on a play date.
39:01Yeah, for me, like it doesn't make sense like that. Yeah. So, yeah, I just tend to just stay away from them things. It's actually the best thing you've said today. I don't want to go on a play date with other famous people. Sue me. It's refreshing. But I think it's hard to not get caught up in that because I think there's so many people that can be like, this is how it goes. When you get famous, this is what you do. I think so many people have so much value on that too. The way the world runs is like who you're associated with is a reflection of you. And people use that and social media to put off a false portrayance of whatever their life is.
39:39And everything's hunky-dory and fairies and rainbows. And in reality, it doesn't quite work like that. I'm happy that I feel like enough people now are starting to see through that. Like so many people doing things for social media. And then the minute it happens or it's posted, a lot of times, if you know the person, you're like, wait, that is like not, they're not even that happy. Like that's literally bullshit. Like I just saw them crying at the club the other night, but they're like, they're miserable. So it's like, that is such a sad and isolating life to live. And I have actually empathy for it because it's probably like feels very validating in the moment but it's almost like a quick dopamine hit and then it's over and so and it usually stems from insecurity right yes yes and so you're sitting here being like you've done so much work on yourself you've always felt pretty good alone and so now you need someone that can kind of meet you there instead which is amazing i'd like that yeah i also feel like your 20s are all about making mistakes and figuring yourself out and now in your 30s you're really coming into your own.
40:38I asked you when I first interviewed you to describe yourself in three words. What do you think you said? I have no idea. I probably said that's really difficult. I think you did say that but then I forced you to answer. Okay give me three words that you would describe yourself as now then let's see if it's the same. I think one of the words was definitely chill. I don't know if it was. Correct. Chill is on there. Two more. All right. So right now I would say chill, chill and chill. Zane. I'm joking. It's hard for me. I don't really like to talk about myself in that way, you know, like give myself an adjective.
41:18Well, you did it three years ago. Do you want to know? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Chill, funny, loving guy. Oh, there you go. Yeah, I like that that's my guy you're like hey i like him do you still relate yeah definitely yeah okay i think so love that you said in an interview that you don't know if you've ever truly been in love do you still stand by that yeah yeah because like my understanding of love is always developing you know at that moment in in time i might have thought it was love but as i've got older i realized maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was lust. Maybe it was this. Maybe it was that. I don't feel like it was love.
42:00And to be fair, just to say this on record, I will always love G because she's the reason my child isn't on this earth. And I have the utmost respect for her. I will always love her. I don't know if I was ever in love with her. I mean, I can imagine there's so much pressure. I agree. and even you having to clarify, like everyone's always probably like, what are you thinking? Yeah, and that's why, because before even when I said it, I think people took it a type of way. So I'm just like, yo, I have so much respect for this woman and I do love her a crazy amount, but yeah, no, but I don't think I was in love with her at that point.
42:39Otherwise I would have been a better version of myself. Yeah. I think that's fair to say. Anxiety. We talked about it when you came on the show last time. And how are you managing those feelings today? Again, I think I said this to you before, but like anxiety is a thing that I think, you know, all of us are dealing with. We just now have a word to explain it. And you feel that in, you know, small increments throughout your day. Certain situation might make you feel something. But one thing I've learned since becoming a father is that it's good to overcome them feelings and push through it. because, you know, I'm sat here all the time telling my daughter to do things and, you know, just get over it.
43:20You'll be fine. You'll be cool. And I'm a bit of a hypocrite if I'm not doing that myself. Yeah. You went from disappearing from the public eye, essentially, to now coming back, doing a Vegas residency and a full stadium and arena tour. What shifted for you in that headspace? I think it was around like 2020. I was wanting to go back on tour anyway. Like whenever I drive past the like arena or something, I was like, I don't mind performing there. What's this arena called? And I kept asking the question and it was kind of going to happen. And then COVID came and destroyed the entire world. So, you know, that old saying, if you want to make God laugh, try to come up with your own plan um and then when that happened it just spurred me further um this want and desire to like kind of be back on stage and again i know i always bring it back to kai since she's uh being born but it's kind of just wanting to show her that like i can do it and like this is what your dad does you know this is my job um yeah i don't want it to be watching old videos of me in the band you know like it doesn't even really look like me anymore You're like, I'm way more handsome now, guys.
44:33Come on. Do you think that your vocals have gotten better since then too? I'd like to think so. Yeah. I think so. Appreciate it. When you are feeling overwhelmed or anxious, what does help calm you down? Weed. Okay. Are you growing that on the farm too? I'm joking. Is it legal? No, I aren't growing that on the farm. No, I don't think that's legal actually. But yeah, no, honestly, meditation, mindfulness, you know, being grateful for things. Are you doing meditation apps or are you doing it just alone? Myself, yeah. Just sit and breathe and think about things in a nice, quiet, contemplative place and think about things.
45:17And I think it always is helpful to name like three things you're grateful for and everything else kind of like subsides a little bit. Should we do that right now? Yeah. What are three things you're grateful for? For Kai, first and foremost. I'm grateful for my career. And I'm grateful for my family. Wow, beautiful. Throughout your career, there have been instances, and kind of like what you were just talking about, like so much pressure on you where people are going to take things out of context and looking at you, like there have been a few instances where people are looking for you to respond publicly during an emotional, personal situation.
45:58Like, how do you handle that pressure? Again, it's not really a pressure. Like, I feel like there's a pressure on you if you feel a need to argue a point. Or, you know, you feel so adamant that you, you know, you need to rectify what's being said. Me personally, if it's not true, I don't give a shit. Like, there's so many things that people say that are untrue. And if I was going to sit there and go through all them things, I wouldn't have any time in my day to do anything else. So I just try not to think about it. I'm not really a social media person. I don't have social media on my phone. If there's something that's going on social media, I speak to my manager or my assistant and say, put this up on social media.
46:43I don't scroll, don't do the doom scrolling shit. I just don't see anything. You know, I just kind of live in my own world. And it's nice. There isn't no pressure for me in that sense because I don't allow that pressure to be in my life. That's great. Obviously, you have been on massive tours before, but during those you were on the stage with other people. This time you're out there by yourself. How are you approaching it and how does it feel different than having four people standing next to you? Yeah, the first couple of shows I did on the Stairway to the Sky tour, it was kind of weird, you know.
47:21I'd done a couple of odd songs here and there, like on TV shows and stuff, like one song, but I'd not done like a whole show. So yeah, it was a little bit strange, you know, I took a little bit of adjustment, not being able to look to somebody else singing, but I have my band on stage with me. But yeah, not much conscious decision making, like, oh, I'm going to do this different from the band.
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49:30Because it's just a weird thought. Even if you put me on AI dancing, it looks a bit weird. You're like, that's definitely AI. You're like, if you see me dancing online, that is AI. That's AI. That was never me. You recently are, I know you said you don't have social media, but I'm assuming this has come back to you. You are all over the internet right now because you made a joke the other night on stage about people's high ticket prices. I never specified no names, you know? People have high ticket prices all over the place. Couldn't be talking about anybody. Take it as you want. Fair. Okay, can we talk about your new music?
50:08What themes are you really diving into on this album? Yeah, so the new album, Conoco, is the derivative of a lot of inspiration from my Indian heritage and culture. I've always put little soul things in there, little ad-libs here and there, even on Dust Till Dawn with Sia. And it's something I've always liked to show the world, you know, like I can sing like this too. So we went into that a little bit more. Conoco is, in its definition, is the act of creating percussive sounds with your voice, so like drum sounds. So I made a lot of the production out of my own voice. So I'm singing like layers and layers of different vocals to make the beat.
51:01And once we started doing it, like the first three, four songs, I was like, yeah, the whole record needs to be like this. So just let into that and drew a lot of inspiration from that. So when we're listening to this, we can know that a lot of what we're hearing is actually your own voice. It's my voice, even the drum sounds and stuff on some of them. Yeah, like they've been affected to make them sound like a drum, but I'm singing it. Oh, that's sick.
51:29That's the drum rhythm too. Wait, that makes it even, this is just giving me even more color to what to expect. That's incredible. Can you tell me a little bit about your new single, Die For Me? I've had that song for years. I've had that song for like five, six years, I think. I had it even before Room. Quite a while ago, and it was just a great song, but it didn't feel like it fit on Room, because Room was such a raw, different kind of singer-songwriter project thing. They felt too produced and too clean and crisp, but I didn't write that song. I have no problem professing when I don't write songs either It was just a banger of a song I heard it and they asked if I wanted it So I said yeah and I caught it and it turned out really well Did you relate to any of the themes?
52:19For sure, yeah I'd be silly if I said I didn't relate to the themes I did, definitely But I also felt the power of the song It feels like it's a big radio song And I wanted to come back with that kind of energy When you are personally writing and you're writing about a specific situation or a specific person, have you ever shown people music ahead of time that's going to be about them? Or are you like, no way? If it's about them, never. No. Yeah. Have you had people call you and be like, Zayn, is this one about me? Honestly, I think if anyone knows me, they'd know it was about them. They don't need to call me.
52:57They know me well enough at that point. They're like, this song's definitely about me. They're like, oh shit. What song of yours from this album were you the most nervous to have be released? It's interesting. There's a few songs on there. There's a song on there called Side Effects that I was a bit like, I don't know if I want to put this out. And then the more and more I listened to it, I was like, you know what? It's honest, you know? It lives in reality. And I'm sure so many people have felt this way. So for that reason, I was like, it needs to go on there. Yeah, it's real. The theme of that one, I'm pretty sure, is the one where you kind of talk about the shortcomings.
53:39Is that one of kind of being someone who has... Yeah, like the side effects of loving me, you know, instead of like how you made me feel from loving you. It's like, I understand that I might have made you feel a type of way too, you know what I mean? It's pretty mature. Self-admittance. Yeah, it takes a lot to admit that it does take two to tango. And when there's issues, it's not just one person. We have obviously discussed you're a pretty private person. How do you decide when you want to share parts of your life in music? Because that, again, people can read into things. How much do you put thought into that?
54:15For me, it's like at the end of the day, I could right now after this interview, go on Twitter or I could go on Instagram. I could put something real cheap up on there, you know what I mean? and get a quick reaction. For me, with the music, it has so much more class to it. It's poetry. There's thought going into it. There's production. It's classy, you know? So that's why I'm like, yeah, I'll talk about these things here because it's art and it stays there. It's not just a random fucking text, you know what I mean? It's not a tweet. No, it's not a tweet. You're like, just listen to it in the song, okay?
54:52I said enough. How do you feel when people try to connect the dots of, oh my gosh, speculating about these lyrics must be about this person? People are always going to do that. Even if I bring a song out next week about, I always wanted to be a clown and be in the circus, people would be like, oh shit, they wanted to be a clown in the circus. You know what I mean? I don't really feel the type of way about it. They're always going to say something. And the music that I use and the songs that I write myself usually have some correlation to my reality too. So I'm cool with that. They can connect the dots wherever they want.
55:29They might not always connect them correctly, but that's what makes it interesting. Yeah. Okay, top three favorite songs from the album. Top favorite three. Okay, Used to the Blues is definitely my favorite, I think. It's just different. It feels a bit different. for a Zane song. So it got a bit more of a hip hop production to it. That, I really like side effects. And there's another song called Sideways. Okay. Favorite lyric? I miss looking at you sideways.
56:07When did you come up with that one? A while ago. It's been in your notes app. You were wondering when you should... When do I release this to the world? And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm, daydreaming or meditating, having a thought and being like, that's an interesting line, and then you write it down? Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much, yeah. When do you think you have those revelations of a new lyric the most? Like, are you, is it when you're in the studio? Is it when you're just chilling at home? Usually the best lyrics, yeah, they don't come like when you've planned to be in the studio.
56:47You can plan as much as you want, but my lyrics usually come to me late at night. Like I'm a bit of a night owl. That time just before you go to sleep is a weird one for me because I don't go to sleep. I just stay awake, like writing things, because my mind just going crazy at that time um but in this like studio run i managed to get a lot out in in the studio session so i think it just really depends you know if you've if you've got a bit of information pent up ready to go it'll it'll be there for you um if you're not really living any life doing anything then probably not gonna have shit to talk about you know i mean yeah i just thought about that as you're saying a lot of things come to you at night i'm like okay miss looking at you sideways, I'm assuming is basically you're like laying in bed and you're staring at each other while your heads are both on the pillow and you can't help but think like, yeah, that may have come to you while you were laying there wishing that person was there.
57:44Yeah. Okay. Love that. Okay. What are you most proud of with this album? Honestly, the fact that people still give a shit. I'll be honest with you. Like five solo albums now. I was just buzzing that I got to do a first one. After the band, people seem to care. Some five records deep now. So I guess I'm really proud of the progression and just the development and understanding of myself through my music. What do you want fans to take from this album? I want them to get a bit more insight on, you know, maybe my culture and heritage and maybe even, you know, find a new word. I don't know if too many people are familiar with the word conical.
58:35Yeah. Okay. When you think back to who you were when you first started your career to who you are sitting here today, how would you describe your evolution as an artist? fucking huge arc you know from standing on stage in manchester singing mario let me love you acapella not knowing what production was anything wearing my uncle's clothes uh there's been a bit of progression you know i'd like to say i've developed my own style a little bit i know a bit more about music i know what keys now i know what pitches all these things that i had no clue So there's been a lot of development, but I think, again, just to bring it back there, the most development has been in me as a human being, you know, like just growing.
59:30Yeah. What do you think overall when you look back at that young boy on that stage singing Mario, Let Me Love You to now, like, what do you wish? Big balls. No, literally. Big balls. 17-year-old kid don't have a clue. He's so confident. What is he doing? so cute is there anything at that point you wish you could have told your younger self now yeah all the time yeah i wish i could go back to that 17 year old version of me and say well done like for being that brave like because i don't know if if if somebody asked me in my 30s if i had no experience before would you go standing singing for the sam and carl i would have done it you know i would be like no no way wow and look where it got you yeah it was an honor to sit down with you again.
1:00:15I think back to being in Pennsylvania with you. I remember, well, first of all, that was just so weird because you literally walked through my parents' house and I was like, I'm struggling. Like you're walking through my parents' doors and like I grew up here. It was so nice though. It was so cool. It was such a different environment. Like for me to be in like a house and doing an interview, I think that's why the interview went well. It felt good and relaxed and chill. It didn't feel like an intrusive interview. It felt like we were just chatting as friends. It was really fun and you were so sweet and you brought me a housewarming gift even though that was so good.
1:00:43I brought you some more stuff as well. Zane, you got me so much stuff. My team was like, do you want to come see all this? I was like, you bought me basically everything I could have thought of and more. I heard that you like all the same stuff as me. So I was like, yeah, I'm going to have to send you some stuff. All the snacks, all the merch. I put loads of British stuff in there for you. I saw it. Trust me. I've already gotten into it. I was eating the chips. I was like, you're a real one. Thank you. But no, it's been really cool to get to know you. And I think like my favorite thing about my job is to get to progress with someone where it's like we met at a certain period in time and then to now sit here with you like you feel more relaxed.
1:01:23Like you feel more at ease. And I don't know what you would attribute that to, but like I can feel it in you. And it's really cool to see that. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah. No, obviously that interview that we did was like one of the first interviews I've done in a long time. So again, it's that like anxiety, you know, preempting what the situation is going to be. And then you're there and it's very different, you know. It has been three years since then. I've been working a lot more, been getting into the rhythm of things. And I feel a lot more chill and a lot more confident, you know, in this environment.
1:01:55And I'm enjoying myself. Well, I'm happy you called me. And I think we're going to have to do this again in three years. Let's do it. You guys didn't actually think we were done yet, did you? Zane and I obviously have a little surprise to end the night. So, let's go.
1:02:22You have to stop giving me gifts. Zane. It's just noodles. It's nothing that expensive. It's some crisped noodles. I'm dead at this. Stick the chips in the noodles. And I got you this too. Jane, how much have you spent on La Boo Boo? We won't discuss that on camp. Don't. Welcome. Oh my God, wait, Zane, this is sick. It's like the calm before the storm. I am so happy we got to reunite. Thank you so much for just letting me into the behind the scenes of your world. I'm so happy for you. This has been such a massive success. I can't wait for the album. And more importantly, I can't wait to see you out there tonight.
1:03:01Thank you so much. Love you. You're the best. I hope you have a good time tonight. Oh my God, I will. Hopefully I can put on a good show for you. Dance for us out there. All right, yeah. I'm like, not a chance. Get a little wiggle going. Bye, Zane. See you later, Alex. All right, who wants to air my next single? Die For Me. Here it is.
1:03:40Good times and bad times I gave you my everything I tried and I tried to love you through anything Talk to each other, we'd never be enemies Why the fuck would you say that to me? Ain't nothing worse than somebody who Lies to your face and it says it's the truth Rip it up, let it bleed Cause you said you were dying for me Say you were dying for me Say you were dying for me Don't leave me, mom, I need you the rose Give you my heart, don't you dare let it go Say you would die for me Say you would die for me Don't leave me home when I need you the most Say you would die for me Said you'd never, never let me go You ain't home, call you friends, said you gone I'm a good way to be, but we're here to sleep I'll sleep just fine without you, yeah Ain't nothing worse than somebody who I see you, I'm just here, this is the truth Love you, I love you, you said it out Those of you words you were spitting out You told me you loved me right in line Woo!
1:05:23Love me
1:05:32Love me Give you my heart, till you're telling me to go So love me, love me Love me Don't leave me, mom, I need you the most Said you would die for me Said you'd never, never let me go
1:06:02Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
1:06:24I need you the most Thank you, God, for me So you never, never let me go
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