Stocks Retreat From Records… And Bitcoin’s Fresh Record 7/11/25

11 Jul 2025 · 44 min

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Podcast Episode Summary: CNBC's "Fast Money" - Stocks Retreat From Records… And Bitcoin’s Fresh Record (7/11/25)

Episode Overview

  • Hosts: Courtney Reagan in for Melissa Lee
  • Panelists: Tim Seymour, Bonoan Eisen, Mike Coe, and Julie Beal
  • Main Topics:
  • Stock market pullback from record highs
  • President Trump's tariff escalations impact on markets
  • Upcoming catalysts for market movement
  • Bitcoin's surge to record highs
  • Performance of silver compared to gold
  • Expectations for upcoming Netflix earnings

Key Highlights

Market Overview

  • Stocks:
  • The S&P 500 and Nasdaq fell back after reaching all-time highs due to newly imposed tariffs from President Trump (35% on Canada).
  • Despite the dip, big tech stocks, particularly in the semiconductor industry like AMD and NVIDIA, showed significant gains.

Tariff Impacts

  • President Trump's Tariffs:
  • The imposition of tariffs increases volatility and raises concerns about inflation.
  • The possibility of a surplus from tariffs has been discussed, but concerns about corporate tax revenues declining persist.

Earnings Season Ahead

  • Earnings Reports:
  • Anticipation of earnings from major companies including banks and airlines.
  • Traders are evaluating potential growth areas amid uncertainty in the financial sector.

Bitcoin Surge

  • Bitcoin Performance:
  • Bitcoin reached record highs above $118,000, with some analysts predicting a rise to $1 million.
  • The increase is attributed to a supply shock and growing institutional interest.
  • The upcoming Crypto Week in Washington, focusing on regulatory acceptance, could further influence Bitcoin's price.

Silver vs. Gold

  • Precious Metals:
  • Silver has been outperforming gold, with significant demand from industrial sectors, particularly in renewable energy technologies.
  • Analysts suggest silver will continue to rise, with a notable mention of its role in EVs and solar panels.

Oil Market Recovery

  • Energy Stocks:
  • Oil prices have bounced back, positively impacting energy stocks.
  • The panel discusses the potential for a recovery in oil markets, noting the dividends offered by integrated oil companies.

Netflix Earnings Expectations

  • Upcoming Earnings:
  • Netflix is expected to report earnings soon, with the options market implying an 8% move post-earnings.
  • Analysts suggest hedging strategies given the stock's recent gains and high valuation.

Key Takeaways

  • Market Sentiment: Despite the recent pullback, there is cautious optimism about upcoming earnings and economic indicators.
  • Inflation Concerns: Tariffs may exacerbate inflation fears, affecting both consumer prices and corporate profitability.
  • Cryptocurrency Dynamics: Bitcoin's recent uptick reflects changing investor attitudes and increasing institutional involvement.
  • Investment Strategies: Traders are encouraged to utilize options strategies to manage risk, particularly in volatile sectors like tech and energy.

Final Thoughts This episode delves into the complexities of the current market, highlighting the risks and opportunities amid geopolitical tensions, inflation concerns, and evolving financial landscapes, particularly with the rise of cryptocurrencies and changes in consumer behavior toward commodities. The discussions provide actionable insights for investors navigating this volatile environment.

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0:02Live from the Nasdaq market site in the heart of New York City's Times Square. This is fast money. Here is what's on tap tonight. Markets pulling back from records, but with a big week of earnings and inflation data on deck, how should you set up for the weekend? The traders lay out their playbooks and a Bitcoin bonanza, the crypto breaking new ground this week, but can rally keep rolling on. We'll talk to one insider to find out. Plus, hi-ho silver, the precious metal outperforming gold this year. How much more upside is there? Oil and oil stocks jumping today. Is the long struggling group really turning a corner?

0:37And we're counting down to Netflix results. What to expect from the streamer when it releases earnings next week? I'm Courtney Reagan in this evening for Melissa Lee coming to you live from Studio B at the Nasdaq. On the desk tonight, we have Tim Seymour, Bono and Eisen, Mike Coe and Julie Beal. But we will start with the markets taking a breather from their record-setting rally. The S &P dipping into the red for the week after President Trump announced a 35 percent tariff on Canada and threatened higher levies across the board. The index, as well as the Nasdaq, had set all time highs, though, just yesterday.

1:09Still, big tech were some of the biggest leaders since Monday. You've got AMD, Palantir, Intel powering the gains and, of course, NVIDIA solidifying its hold on that four trillion dollar club. It's a lot of zeros. The chip giant adding another$20 billion to its market cap today, further extending its lead over Microsoft in the number two spot. NVIDIA nearly doubling from its lows of the year. But with this week in the books, we turn to a slew of new market catalysts on deck. We're going to get earnings from big banks, airlines. We did get Delta already, consumer staples, streamers, and more. All of this on the calendar and fresh reads on inflation and growth with CPI, PPI, jobless claims and consumer sentiment also out next week.

1:52So will next week give markets more reasons to rally or have stocks hit a wall? Tim, I know we took a bit of a breather today, but all time highs. We were breathless before this. We were out of breath. We need a little break. Right. But it doesn't feel like a record setting time. I mean, look at all these cross currents, geopolitical tensions, slower growth. We're still dealing with stubbornly high inflation. We're slapping tariffs on everybody. Can we continue to push through the tension? Well, there's no question that if we've got a couple options, guys, here that know a lot more about volatility than I do.

2:26But if you look at at least the absolute measures of volatility out there, it's kind of shocking to have been sub 16 on the VIX going into yesterday with what's going on politically, what's going on with tariffs, what's going on around the world. And also what we're seeing from gold and what we're seeing from Bitcoin. Those those aren't happening in a vacuum. Those are happening as a function of. And that's why there's so many cross currents this week, including, look, we had two great Treasury auctions. Actually, the Treasury should be really happy. I believe they're talking about even a surplus coming in from tariffs and whatnot.

2:55But again, long end currency, excuse me, long end of the bond curve had some some great auctions this week. I think if you think about earnings for next week, I believe investors are going to continue to pay up for growth. Now, in the banking space, it's not as if you're talking about tech stocks. But I do think there are places where you actually will see more versus less growth next week. But but ultimately, again, I think the leadership we've seen from semis is interesting. Another theme this week was semis outperforming software. That was a trade that was probably 150 basis points to the favor of semis again today.

3:26So investors are evaluating the places they have confidence in their growth and the places they're probably overpaying for it. Bonham, what do you make of where we could be looking next week? We do have a lot of banks reporting financials, though, the worst group of the day, albeit, though, just down 1%. I mean, I think it's a net positive for all the things, as you've said. Since we've had all these macroeconomic headwinds, there have been some recent tailwinds, a reversal of what were formerly headwinds. And I think you'll get some quantitative data next week that actually support whether or not you can continue to kind of march higher.

3:56So I think rather than it being more of a speculative on or risk off situation driven by macro, driven by the Fed, I think you actually get to see whether or not corporate earnings are supportive of the heightened multiples that we find ourselves back in. The last point I'll make is you mentioned it doesn't really feel like we're at an all time high. But I think that there's two things. You have two juxtaposing factors. You have the fact that we're only up, what is it, 6 percent or so year to date. But if you look at our April lows, that rally has really felt like a really a risk on a reach, reshoring of capital, reshoring of of manufacturing.

4:31And those tailwinds that have kind of led people into some of the into some of the U.S. domestic stocks as well as international. But I think it's those two things that kind of pose a bit different thesis or a bit different narrative around how you feel about the market reaching its all time highs. That's a good point. I mean, Michael, when we do think about the April lows and where we are from now, my goodness, the market just sort of says tariffs. Yeah, bring them on. Right. I mean, maybe maybe it is the taco trade. I don't know. But thinking about where we were on April 3rd versus where we are now, should we be here and can we keep going higher?

5:02So the move that we saw, I think, is probably one of the most pronounced over a period of that time, you know, basically since Tim and I have been in the business. So I think on both hands we could probably count the amount of times that we've seen 20 percent rallies in such a short period. You know, one of the things I would certainly say is we've had better than expected inflation data on the last few prints. PPI is going to be interesting next week because PPI is going to lead really the core inflation. And so it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. But so far, so good. The only thing that gives me a little bit of pause is if you're going to look at, you know, price is truth, I kind of would have expected financials to do a little bit better today if people were anticipating a good PPI print next week.

5:42Because then you would be anticipating some steepening of the yield curve that's typically going to be good for financials. On the other side, though, the moves that we're seeing out of names like NVIDIA, those are long duration trades. Typically, these are the growth names, as Bono was pointing out. You know, you're going to start seeing people bid for this as long as we get decent growth numbers. And as far as this, you know, the balance, the fiscal balance, I thought that was kind of interesting, but it's not huge, of course. You know, we're talking about a$60 billion swing. We were looking for what, I think a$30 billion deficit.

6:10We got a$30 billion surplus in the context of a$7.5 trillion budget. Is that so huge? But it is trending in the right way. In financial services, we tend to like to look at trends, right, in the early stages. Is it moving in the right direction? That's moving in the right direction. If we can keep inflation under control, we see revenues a little bit better than expected. That's good on balance. You seem a little doubtful, Tim. Well, no, I was just going to have something. Mom says if you have nothing nice to say, don't you? I'll just leave it at that. And I think with banks, they've had such a great run.

6:42It's hard to really feel as if even a small pullback is indicative of anything more than that. I think what we will get from banks is some sense that their core business, their sales and trading business, I think we're all kind of waiting to hear a little bit about what's going on in M &A and the investment banking world because it's part of what I think we've been seeing more broadly in themes within this market. I think you've got a case with copper prices and what's going on with oil. There's some interesting stuff going on in the commodity markets, which at some point is PPI heavy and not great.

7:10In the short run, I think it's been great for copper miners and even oil names that are oversold. Yeah, energy was good today and obviously crude, the commodity itself, higher. Most of the commodities higher, except for copper, I think, down just a touch. But, Julie, what do you make of sort of where we are in the broader market, what you hope to hear next week out of potentially CPI, PPI, even the banks. We all listen a lot when Jamie Dimon talks. What are you looking for as a potential catalyst to make some moves? Well, I think Jamie Dimon was actually talking today about the complacency that he sees in the market, and that is something that I'm really paying a lot of attention to.

7:39When I think about higher beta, cyclical stocks that really seem to be outperforming, it really does feel like a performance chase for people who got a little bit left behind earlier in the year. And that makes me a little bit worried because then it's not really supported by the fundamentals. So for sure, I'm looking a lot at what Jamie Dimon and the banks are going to say about the credit quality and any of the loan loss reserves that they're having to take. We're already hearing a little bit at the margin that the weaker companies are starting to move their loans into payment in kind, which is not great.

8:10That's not a great sign. And we already have 30 % of student loans officially delinquent. So the credit quality is something that we've all kind of taken being pretty good. But I'm worried that under the hood, there are some cracks starting to form. Bonwan, I want to ask you about NVIDIA and obviously coming back into this$4 trillion mark. It's impressive to say, does it mean anything? Does it sort of spark new momentum going forward? It's scary to say, right, if I'm being frank,$4 trillion. I mean, particularly considering you look at the other MAG7 names, like this is head and shoulders above.

8:47I try to put that in context, though. So I think in the old guard, I would say$4 trillion. Perhaps you're looking to take profits here just because of the run-up and the overall valuation. But I think when you put it under the lens of, listen, AI is opening up and unlocking a completely different market. I think when you put it under that lens, I think it's slightly less intimidating. I think under the hood, though, the move that we've seen is indicative on AI once again kind of leading us to new highs. And to the other, you know, my other panelists, brothers, BFFs. Let's do brothers. I'd rather be a brother than a panelist.

9:25I like that too. So much better. With the name Tim. It's okay. To their point, you know, this AI reinvestment is really what's led us higher. And if you talk about what you're willing to pay for at already stretched valuations, you want to make sure there's a growthy aspect there if across the board you're already paying a premium multiple. Yeah. Big week for NVIDIA. Also, Jensen Wong, of course, going to the White House wearing his signature jacket. Someone said, hey, I think that suggests he's more comfortable. It's kind of warm to be wearing leather this time of year. It is, isn't it? You know, but I guess some people are into that.

9:59If you're Jensen. A little swarmy. But, you know, if you're Jensen Wong, you do what you want. You do you, man. Well, the White House threatening more tariffs today. Speaking of the White House, CNBC's Megan Costelli does have the latest for us. Megan, what's going on? Hey, Courtney. So multiple moving pieces here as ever, right? The first threat today, a higher 35 percent tariff on all imports from Canada, which is our second largest trading partner. That's up from the 25 percent tariff level in place now. But you can see here all the different tariffs Canada is now facing. I'm told the exemptions for USMCA compliant goods and the lower energy tariff are likely to remain in place.

10:36But I'm also told no decisions on this have yet been finalized. The president also, separately, the second threat, told NBC he's considering increasing the universal baseline tariff from 10 percent to as high as 20 percent. And that would be a major escalation here, although, of course, one that's not yet set in stone. Then separately, we also got new Treasury data out today, and that showed us a steep rise in revenue coming in from tariffs. It was about$27 billion collected in customs duties last month. But interestingly, corporate tax revenue is falling at the same time, and Treasury says that's due to firms anticipating more favorable provisions in the president's mega bill that just passed.

11:17So while tariff revenue was up$20 billion last month versus the same month a year ago, corporate taxes were down$14 billion. So we'll have to watch that trend to see how things level out. And then finally, one more thing here. Chicago Fed President Austin Goolsbee told The Wall Street Journal in a new interview that all of these latest tariff threats could spark fresh concerns about inflation. And he says that, in turn, could force the Fed to stay on hold rather than cut rates the way the president wants. So an instance here of the president's threat sort of backfiring on a different part of his agenda.

11:50Courtney? Megan, thank you very much. Thanks for joining us with the latest. Hopefully the president gives you a little bit of a break. It's Friday, after all. Well, let's bring in Peter Bookbar. Appreciate Megan joining us. He is the chief investment officer of Weekly Financial Group. He's also a CMBC contributor. Peter, thanks for joining us. Megan brought up a number of good points. I guess the first one I'd love to ask you about is Austin Goolsbee's concerns about what's going on with tariffs and if an increase in tariffs will also potentially lead to new inflation. We get PPI and CPI out next week.

12:19Are you concerned about that at all? Or do you think we sort of quelled this beast somehow, some way for now? We have not quelled this beast. Also of importance next week is import prices, because import prices are sort of the first touch of those tariffs. In April, import prices, ex-food and energy, rose five-tenths month over month. In May, it rose another four-tenths. So that's actually the number that I'm specifically watching for. The key with inflation right now is Inflation is here with tariffs. It's just a question of who eats it. Those companies that have pricing power means that consumers are going to eat it.

12:57Those companies that do not have pricing power means that companies are going to eat it via a cut in their profit margin. And we saw that clearly with what Conagra and Helena Troy said yesterday. Helena Troy said this summer they are raising consumer prices 7 % to 10%. Now, whether it sticks or not, we'll have to see. but they're going to try to. On the other hand, Canagra has much less pricing power, and they said their costs between commodity and labor inflation, in addition to steel and aluminum in terms of their packaging, their costs are going up 7 percent. So the inflation's here. It's just a question of where it is along the supply chain.

13:37And who can handle it? I mean, we also heard from Levi yesterday, and they basically said, look, we can mitigate almost to all of this. I think they only plan for maybe a two to three percent increase. And they said if they raise prices, it will only be on some select items. So then doesn't that sort of start to separate the winners from the losers? Maybe it's not a one paintbrush sort of paints everyone the same color. Exactly. It's the pricing power aspect that will determine whether one's margins suffer or whether the consumer's pocketbook suffers. But Levi's that's able to absorb it. Well, there's somebody else in the supply chain that can't and that Levi's is pushing back against.

14:16So someone is still eating that tariff along the Levi's supply chain. But because of their presence in apparel, they're able to push it off onto somebody else. Hey, Peter. And it was it was a fascinating week because, of course, when we get the Vietnam tariffs, we you know, we had a conversation around here and with with a top ranked analyst who said, you know what? I don't love the number, but it's actually a relief. It's a relief because actually and we also have the ability to model out and some of that. But you spend a lot of time focused on commodities. You spend on global macro that often dictates, I think, your investment themes on picking stocks and bottom up.

14:51Is copper meaningless? Because I think for people that aren't focused on this, it could just be a lot of noise listening to LME squeezes and things that are going on with shipments. But copper prices have such a major input component. And that's independent even before we talked about tariff squeeze. Are you worried about that? And again, if we look at commodities and we look at what's going on with base metals and industrial metals, prices are going higher. Exactly. And just to quantify that, because I just checked, as of today's close, the CRB Raw Industrials Index rose to match its level last seen in March of this year, which was the highest level since January 2023.

15:30And it's not just copper. Silver, as you had on the screen before, highest level since 2011. Platinum is up about 30 percent over the past couple of months. So there is a global rise in industrial metals. And I can't argue that there's this big spurt of demand. It's people trying to get their hands on this metal, these metals ahead of potential tariffs and understanding that these critical minerals are very important in now a growing multipolar world where everyone tries to get their hands on this. wants to have their own stash of it. But unfortunately, whether it's demand or not, it's still higher prices that's going to flow through the inflation stats.

16:09Again, whether it's eaten by the consumer or not, it's still going to flow through the supply chain. And to Goolsbee's comment, yeah, he wants to see how this plays out, as do other members on the Fed. Peter, thank you very much for joining us. Peter Vokvar of Weekly Financial Group. You are, of course, chief investment advisor and also CBC contributor. Julie, what do you make of Peter's comments. He seems a little bit more worried about inflation than some others. I'm absolutely with him. And I think the biggest problem that we have is that many companies were really thoughtful about their inventory and they waited until the right time to bring it in.

16:44And so they're sitting on a fair amount of inventory that they don't necessarily need to price higher. But like we saw with Prime Day, many companies decided not to really participate that much in Prime Day because that inventory that isn't tariffed is pretty valuable to them. So I actually worry that for now, PCE is not going to be that meaningful. It's much further on before we're really going to know that tariffs have hit us. I think it's going to be a much slower burn, a little bit like the frog dumped into the boiling water. Lovely. Oh, yeah. That sounds tasty. Mike, you know, I was thinking about CPI earlier today, and it felt like before everyone had the CPI date sort of pinned on their calendar and the market was almost hanging on that.

17:26We're past that, at least, are we not? No, I think we are. You know, like I said before, I think PPI is more meaningful. It's a forward look basically on what CPI would be and also core PCE, which is actually going to be the Fed's preferred measure. One of the things we have certainly seen from sellers is that even if they were going to have tariffs imposed, they were willing to suspend price increases for a little bit of time because they thought that there might be some negotiation going on on the back end. And so I think Julie's point is a very good one, which is that there is an impact. We don't really know when it's going to hit because everybody's sort of playing this game about am I going to impose, you know, higher prices because I have higher costs or am I going to kind of wait it out a little bit?

18:07And we don't really know because the tariffs themselves were delayed so many times. So it's a little chicken egg thing going on right now. Tim, before we wrap this up, what do you think will be the biggest driver between now and August 1st if that's the deadline that stays? I think the China deals are important and it's been kind of it's almost been taken as a given that the China deal does get done. I think we I believe equities have taken the view that the Fed's posture is more dovish since this last meeting and that they were more tolerant of higher inflation. Everything we're having an inflation fear conversation.

18:40So once again, I think the Fed is critical. I think the headlines are critical. Remember, we're going into an earnings season where companies didn't need to tell you anything. Are we going to let them do that again? I'm not sure. Fair enough. That's right. We sort of were OK if they didn't give guidance or suspended guidance. And now we want a little bit more than that. Well, coming up, Levi's buttoning up a big day of gains thanks to a monster earnings beat and upped guidance. More on that gene giants move ahead. Plus, silver going for gold in the metals trade. What's behind the recent surge and where it goes from here?

19:12That's up next.

19:17You're watching Fast Money here on CNBC. We'll be right back.

19:31Welcome back to Fast Money. Levi Strauss surging 11 % to a 52-week high today. The move coming on the back of better-than-expected sales and profit numbers for the latest quarter. The denim giant also raising full-year guidance, saying it's confident in earnings growth even as it absorbs the cost of tariffs to avoid raising prices. She tried to say higher by 11 % had quite a day. And meantime, Amazon wrapping up its Prime Day sales event today. Still going on. A couple hours left. The event expanded from two days to four this year, with one early report at least suggesting first-day sales were down more than 40 percent from 2024.

20:06Still, Morgan Stanley today raised its price target on the stock,$300 from$250, stating more manageable tariffs could lead to growth for the retailer. That's about 33 percent upside from here. And, yeah, definitely mixed reports on what we're getting from the Amazon Prime Day. It's still underway, so a little hard to say. But it looks like people are buying essentials from what I could see from what those best. Well, I think that's right. And I like Amazon both because I think I'm getting that e-commerce business for free and because I think some of the trends and the comps are actually pretty low.

20:37But you buy it for the AWS. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I think you do. And I think AWS is going to be all we really care about mostly. But I think the Levi's numbers were the ones that were the most surprising to me. I have to tell you that there have been times over the last couple of years where I've scratched my head on the valuation on this one. And they first of all, the organic growth in the Americas that they saw was well beyond what the street expected. They essentially doubled what the top line of the street had expected, which was extraordinary. And you can see by the reaction.

21:06It was a stock that had corrected significantly after having an incredible run out of that IPO whenever that was. And, you know, I know Mike wears Gene on Gene a lot. So, you know, jean jacket, jean shirt, jeans, the whole thing. That's right. You know, he's not even a Canadian. Pull off the Canadian tuxedo. He could do it, though. Let's be careful. No, I know it. I love it. Who doesn't? Cowboy Carter. Just bring back acid wash. But actually, in all seriousness, Levi did sort of get a nice little boost from the Beyonce songs. And then Beyonce became officially sort of a part of the company's marketing campaigns.

21:41But when I've spoken with the CEO, she said, look, it doesn't hurt when you get Beyonce making a song called Levi. We're in the Levi's on tour. And so I think they're also riding this cultural moment. But, Mike, what I'm wondering about Levi versus maybe some other retailers is, do you want going forward to own a brand or the retailer that aggregates and sells the brand, like a Target, a Walmart, an Amazon, that all basically sell a version of Levi? So, I mean, with respect to Levi, the thing that I like to see here is that their top, this is what Tim was just talking about, but their top line revenue growth actually was better than GDP.

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22:14They're probably going to look at 10 to 12 percent adjusted EPS growth. And they have probably a free cash flow yield that's north of 5 percent for full year next year, trading at what, 15, 16 times. It's not expensive now. So I wanted to clarify that. I wasn't saying it's expensive. And actually, that's the thing. I mean, you were looking at it because you're saying this is a cheap stock. And it was cheap in a world where you didn't think they were going to have more than 4 percent last 12 month revenue growth. Right. So if it was a good number when you still thought they were going to do like two and a half and they do for one, then clearly you could say, OK, I think 16 times is still a good number.

22:48And it's cheap compared to so many other things. You know, Target, that's a name that I'm always kicking the tires because it just looks cheap. But they struggle on execution, don't they? Yeah, there's a big conversation to be had there for sure. Julia, I want to make sure to to get you in. I mean, first of all, are you into the wide leg denim trend or are you still rocking the skinny jeans? I cannot give up my skinny leg jeans, even though I'm very uncool for that. The skinnies are coming back, but it sounds like they did super well with the wide leg dad jeans and the Quiet Western. Did you know Quiet Western was a thing?

23:20I didn't. I did sort of. I'm sort of a country person, so I did know that. But anyway, what do you make of the trade, I guess, on Levi's and Amazon, too? Because you get a lot more than just the retail business when you're looking at Amazon. Yeah, I think on Levi, I think it's clearly the company deciding that they're moving away from wholesale. They want to control their brand and they have a lot of opportunity and big margin targets. And this today was a good move towards that. And I think that's the excitement. Amazon, I agree with Tim. Like this is about AWS. I think Prime Day is just not that important.

23:51The e-commerce is not really that important. What's really important is what happens business to business for them. Fair enough. Well, there is a lot more fast still to come. Here's what's coming up next.

24:35Welcome back to Fast Money. Silver hitting its highest level in nearly 14 years, and the precious metal is actually outperforming gold this year. Are there more gains to come for the already glittering trades? NBC's Pippa Stevens joins us to make a case for this commodity. Hi, Pippa. Good to see you. Hey, Courtney. Well, gold and copper get all the glory, but silver has been quietly outperforming, hitting its highest level since 2011 as market fundamentals remain tight. Now, several tailwinds here are supporting prices. Heavy speculation the gold market drove up those prices, making silver relatively more attractive, especially since the gold-to-silver ratio is well above historical norms, according to Alpine Macro.

25:13Silver also benefits from being both a precious metal and an industrial commodity, with the latter making up some 60 % of demand. Silver is key for many energy transition technologies. Demand from solar panels jumped more than 60 percent last year and is forecast to keep growing. Silver is also used in EVs and wind power as well as electrical equipment to power data centers. Supply is also pretty inelastic given that less than one third of mining is primary production. Now, in terms of exposure, the largest miner is Mexico's Fresnillo followed by Poland's KGHM. Glencore, Southern Copper, Newmont, and BHP also have silver operations.

25:51And the silver miners ETF, ticker SIL, hit a four-and-a-half-year high today on the back of silver's surge. Courtney? Thanks, Pippa. Yeah, that's an interesting chart there when you actually look at it, Tim, from 2024 to 2025, and silver just sort of making this move higher. Is there still money to be made? I think in speculative fervor, we tend to see silver outperform, and I think we're there. We're there in PGMs. And I also think platinum and palladium look really interesting here. I love gold. I've always loved gold. And I think it's, you know, when you hear stuff from the ECB, which we heard, I think it was about two weeks ago, maybe it was a month ago.

26:27But they pointed out that bullion is the number two reserve currency in their central bank reserves. And this is what central banks are doing. It's not just the Chinese. It's not just suddenly people want to run away from the United States. I think the U.S., the dollar remains reserve currency for the foreseeable. And that means my lifetime and beyond. I just think gold remains a place where people feel comfortable. And we've had this conversation. You can find a bull market for gold under almost any pretense. And that's one of the best 20-year charts out there. Julie, what do you think of the commodity trade?

26:57Is there something there for you? You know, we tend not to be so geared up towards the commodity trades because it's just it's really hard to find any kind of competitive advantage in here. But what I do think is really interesting is that there is a clear sticker shock for many people with gold in terms of the jewelry side of the business, where it just has gotten to a point where to set something really simple in gold is not happening. And you're seeing more and more jewelers setting precious stones, which they never did, in silver. I think that could grow and expand, particularly as consumers are really looking for places where they can find value.

27:32Ooh, now that's something I'd like to explore, the trade and the market for jewelry. Mike, what do you make of the commodity space right now, the moves we've seen? Well, I mean, I like gold for a while. I definitely didn't understand why platinum and silver were basically underperforming for so much. Silver is still underperforming gold over the last year by about 15%, 16%. One of the things that we saw on the option side is that, you know, we talk about skew. That is the price of upside calls versus the price of downside puts. And if you compare where that is today versus a week ago today, the puts are actually down.

28:05The calls are up. It indicates that in the options world, at least for things like SLV, the ETF that tracks silver, you know, the bid for the upside remains. Fascinating stuff. Well, coming up, Bitcoin breaking records, the cryptocurrency hitting fresh record highs today above 118 ,000. What it means for a space bracing itself for a pivotal decision in Washington. More on that is coming up.

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28:50Welcome back to Fast Money. Stocks taking a breather from the record rally as tariff and trade tensions take another turn. The Dow falling nearly 300 points, the S &P losing a third of a percent in the nasdaq breaking a three-day wind streak down 45 points bolling getting a boost after hours after a preliminary probe into the crash of a 787 in india recommended no changes for the manufacturers and operators of the aircraft's engine and kraft heinz jumping on wall street journal report that the company is eyeing a spinoff of its grocery business thought to be valued up to 20 billion dollars mike any action in the options market on this one.

29:26Sometimes around deals, you see big spikes, moves. And we got a big spike. So this thing normally trades about 15 ,500 contracts on the call side on any given day. That's the 20-day average. It traded 62 ,300, so about four times, a little more than four times the average daily call volume. The nice thing is that when you're dealing with kind of staples stocks like this, is that those upside calls are relatively cheap. It's mostly speculative near-term upside call buying. The most active contract, for example, that expires at the end of the next week are the 28 strike calls, July 28. So those were trading actually for just 20 cents.

30:00Gives you a sense of what the premiums are for an upside bet on that. And then Tim, what do you think about the report itself? Look, first of all, we've got to give JL Kraft a lot of credit for developing processed cheese. I mean, this has been an important thing for our country. And it's actually really, I mean, if you cut into why this deal is going down and why they're spinning out, it's because America's not really buying processed cheese and they're not buying Oscar Mayer. Well, I mean, again, I don't want to insult people out there. I mean, a good cheese whiz on a cracker is fantastic stuff.

30:29But I think this is the history around this company, the history around 3G and Warren Buffett and the deal that they put together to actually extract so much value out of this one has kind of been a disaster. Well, Bitcoin hitting yet another all time high today, topping one hundred and eighteen thousand. The run up comes ahead of Crypto Week in Washington, where Congress is set to consider key legislation for the industry. Our next guest says the cryptocurrency could march to$1 million. Will Reeves is the CEO of Fold, a Bitcoin financial services platform, and he joins us now. I mean, Will, I'd love to sort of get your take on why we're seeing Bitcoin move higher.

31:03I know it doesn't always trade on fundamentals, but is anything that's happening in Washington potentially influencing the price of Bitcoin this week? You know, I think this is just inevitable. This is what happens when massive demand meets the finite supply of Bitcoin. And what we're seeing right now is the supply shock in motion. So I'd certainly say what we are seeing is the fundamentals of Bitcoin in play. And so you think that it will begin to start to move more on fundamentals and potentially even more so once it gets these sort of stamps of, hey, this is good stuff from Washington? I think the stamps of approval have always been good.

31:41It enables new capital allocators to start to invest. And what we've seen recently with the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies, the ETFs, is that entirely new classes of capital are able to invest in the asset. And what we're seeing is what happens when trillions of dollars start knocking on the door. The price tends to go up. And so the fundamentals have always been there. Investors have been waiting for their ability to get involved. What would it take for some of the other coins, altcoins, to kind of get the vote of approval or stamp of approval, if you will, in terms of Bitcoins? Because, I mean, if you think back to meme coins, the doges, the early stages of Bitcoin, it was really the early adopters that really kind of formed that cohort that pushed it higher.

32:28What will it take for us to see that transition into some of the other coins that are still branded as more speculative? You know, frankly, I think they're going to remain speculative. Bitcoin dominance is at 60 % in rising. I think what we're seeing is an inevitable trend towards the signal, the apex asset. The issue is that Bitcoin is the only credibly neutral digital asset that is in issuance. All the other tokens are still proving an extraordinarily speculative use case without the track record of Bitcoin. And so what we are seeing today is the continued march of Bitcoin dominating this entire market.

33:06And I am waiting for the day when that changes. But ultimately, what we've seen is something that can't be reversed. Well, it's Tim. Thanks for joining us. I guess as I think about, you know, you talk about the pools of capital and you talk about how much money might be chasing it. How do you feel about the banks that are now kind of being forced to be at least on board with the stablecoin world? And, you know, J.P. Morgan has been a reluctant player. And yet behind the scenes, they are very active. So just curious your take on that. I think you're exactly right. All the detractors or from traditional financial world are now suddenly its biggest promoters.

33:44The regulatory landscape has changed so much that 4 ,000 FDIC insured banks, the bulge brackets, all need a Bitcoin strategy. Like you said, many of them have been doing this behind the scenes. Others are scrambling and going to be late to this. But ultimately, we are seeing everything converge in Bitcoin. Again, this is not a rally. This is an entire movement and fundamental phase shift in the monetary foundation. So we were speaking a little earlier on the show about the price of gold and the price of gold moving higher, and so too is Bitcoin. Do you believe that going forward that you're going to see those pairs continue to march in the same direction for similar reasons, if you think Bitcoin is now finally moving towards fundamentals?

34:28I think Bitcoin and gold have always had a similar appeal to investors. They've just been different. Bitcoin has always been really a millennial driven asset. Gold has been held by much older generations. But what we see now, there are more Bitcoin holders in the U.S. than those that are holding gold. Ultimately, Bitcoin will eclipse gold as the sound money, preferred sound money asset for Americans and for the world. And that's where I firmly come to believe that Bitcoin is on its on its inevitable march to one million dollars. We will see. Will Reeves, thank you for joining us with your take on Bitcoin specifically in the cryptocurrency trade.

35:11Mike, I want to get your thoughts. What do you think? A million dollars? We're going to a million before we go to one hundred thousand? Marching higher before we lose 18 ,000? There's a pretty big stretch from 118 to a million relative. But if you think we're going up from here. Well, I definitely think we're going higher. I think we're looking at, you know, we're talking about a market that's going to be measured in trillions. There's only going to be 21 million of these things. Bitcoin is to other cryptocurrencies as gold is to other precious metals. So I think that's kind of the important thing.

35:38It has adoption by now governments, by corporations, by the financial markets in general. That does not mean that there isn't value to platinum when gold is a reserve. It's just a different kind of an asset. So one is speculative play and has industrial use and all of those other benefits. I'm bullish on platinum. I'm bullish on silver. I'm bullish on gold. And I'm bullish on Bitcoin. But I agree with what the guest was saying, that it is in the crypto universe what gold is in terms of hard money. Interesting stuff. Well, coming up, a crude comeback. Oil bouncing higher this weekend, bringing energy stocks with it.

36:15We'll dig into the fueled up gains and the names that could be set to win. Plus, we are rolling out the red carpet for Netflix earnings. How options traders are gearing up for this marquee report coming up next.

36:35Welcome back to Fast Money, a winning week for oil. As the commodity price rose, energy stocks posted their biggest gains on the S &P this week. And the VanEck Oil Services ETF hitting its highest since early April, up more than 30 % from its lows. Names like Halliburton and Beaker Hughes leading the gains today. Tim, you used to really dabble in a lot of commodity space. And I like integrated oil companies. I've liked the OOH, and I own Schlumberger, and it's been frustrating for the last couple of years. I just think the offshore drilling dynamic is something that hasn't really proved to be as profitable as it was seven or eight years ago.

37:08But I think structurally integrated oil companies are run differently, and I think they are run for shareholders. I think they are run for dividends, and I think people have gotten to the wrong side of the boat. There's no question we could have a growth scare. And that's ultimately what seems to drive the price of oil, I believe, as it should. Although the last, say, two months have had a lot of supply dynamics, whether it's been OPEC plus increasing production, whether it's been supply disruption in the Middle East, which always proves to be fleeting. The bid today was really around Russian exports being crimped up much more.

37:37Last time I checked, I thought Russian sanctions already applied to Russian oil exports. But it seems to be something that, you know, I guess they're slipping out. And that doesn't surprise me. But that's not the reason to chase it. But I look across to Europe. I love Royal Dutch Shell trades here at Shell, S-H-E-L, total T-T-E. I mean, these are names that I think European integrates break even at lower oil prices on that dividend. I mean, obviously, energy makes up such a small portion of the S &P 500. But do you see value there? I mean, there seems to be some pops here and there lately, whether it's for fundamental reasons and what's going on with OPEC, Russia or not.

38:12That's a knock there, you know, in terms of flow of funds, right? So you just think about how much money is actually going into the asset class and whether or not it has a propensity to go much higher. So I think that's a negative case. On the flip side, though, I think that we've rallied so much and we've got valuation stretch now in the low 20s. You can take a step down from, say, the MAG-7 or even some of like the other tech names where you're looking in the mid-30s. You step down, you look at these oil companies that are trading 18, 19, in some cases 15 times earnings, and you get the dividend yield.

38:40So I think it's just a way for you to kind of de-risk and barbell, still have growth, but still retain some safety. Yeah. Is that dividend attractive for you, Mike? I mean, the dividend is attractive. These things were trading cheap. I think the oil service index, which is basically, you know, that's forward looking. So you're going to need to see some stability in prices. But those things are trading very cheap. Halliburton, Schlumberger, which he just mentioned, these things are all trading at high single digits right now. Well, coming up, a huge week of earnings. And it's not just the big banks, how options traders are positioning themselves ahead of Netflix's blockbuster report.

39:09That's next. More Fast and Two.

39:21Welcome back to Fast Money. We're getting geared up for a titanic week of earnings ahead. Big banks, United Air, J &J and more all set to report. As is Netflix, the streaming giant rolling out the red carpet for a highly promoted women's boxing match tonight ahead of Thursday's report. Shares hit a record at the end of June but are down so far this month. Let's see how options traders are positioning themselves for all of next week's earnings. So, Mike, let's start with the banks. Yeah, let's start with J.P. Morgan because that's the biggest and the best. And right now the options market's implying about a 3 % move the day they report about 3.6 % or so by the end of the week.

39:53That's pretty much in line with the eight-quarter average that we've been seeing there. Netflix also expecting a move of about 8%. And this is a name that I actually really like. I've many times described this thing as basically an unregulated utility. It's a great business. The only problem I have with it, it's been on such a tear. And it is actually the spread right now between the stock price and the 150-day moving average looks a little bit extended. My call, because I know this is broadly held, I think people should look at hedging this thing going into earnings. I like a put spread caller.

40:22I was looking out to the August 22nd weekly options. You could buy the 1225 puts for August 22nd, sell the 1125s against it, and then also sell the 1325 calls. So you're basically getting 8 % to the upside and you're getting 8 % downside protection, which is the implied move. And those wings are going to come in on what we call the vol crush after. I mean, that was genius. Did you catch all that? I mean, that's options action redux, which is that's extraordinary. And that's that's that's called managing risk, folks. Good stuff. It was awesome. Yeah, it is good stuff. Julie, what do you make of that trade for Netflix?

40:58I agree. I mean, I think that it is a completely an unregulated utility, and the level of pricing power that they have is quite strong. They've been able to figure out how to segment their customer base, which is so critical to really being able to extract the maximum amount of value. But yeah, at these levels of valuation, it's tough to say, I'm going to step in. I think if you own it, you continue to own it. But I think stepping in right here is a little tough. Bono, what do you make of this? I mean, which is why I like the color trade. It essentially allows you to kind of manage that risk, particularly going into a catalyst that is earnings, whatever it is, 7 % or 8 % implied vol.

41:33That's where you want to step in and try to take some action and take advantage of that so that you're able to add some additional return to your portfolio rather than just chasing the stock after it's made such a run. I can't compete with these options, geeks. And by the way, that's a compliment. This is a case where geek really is a compliment. And I think with Netflix, I don't want to chase here. And, of course, I've not been chasing for the last$300 in the stock. I think it's gotten to a place where we believe they are entirely bullproof. And even though their core business is, I think you're going to get it cheaper.

42:05I think you can definitely wait for it. All right. Very interesting stuff. We're all going to be watching that coming up next. It's already time for your final trade.

42:27It's time for the final trade. Let's go around the horn. Julie, start us off. If you're looking to add some quality to portfolio, Tyler is a good option, and it's on sale right now. That's not usual. And Tim. Courtney, great to have you here this week. Fantastic. You have an exciting weekend coming up. Mike, great to have you here in person. That's really wonderful. And great to see Boeing kind of picking up where it left off before a tragedy, but I think the wind under its wings are there. Bonoan? I understand concerns around the ag business abound, but I want to be investing in market leadership, dear innovator, dear.

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