S6 Ep 6: Daniel Foxx, comedian

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0:07I'm Grace Dent and this is Comfort Eating from The Guardian. A podcast where we pay homage to the lesser celebrated foods in life. Because even as a restaurant critic, I believe the food that matters most is often that snack you cobble together when you're curled upon the sofa. Each week I ask my guest to lift the lid on what comfort foods have seen them through their lives because you can tell a lot about a person from what they eat behind closed doors.

0:44Just a heads up here, there will be some strong language in this episode. Hello friends, welcome to another episode of Comfort Eating. You find me, I'm going to have to be honest I'm clinging to my radiator at the moment it is freezing outside and absolutely nobody should work on a day like this now my tip for stay insane during these winter months is I plan the end of the day at the beginning I know it sounds strange but when I open my eyes, I like to put in place a plan I can execute at about 8pm that just brings on the coziness. So I'm actually hanging my pyjamas on a radiator at the moment.

1:35They can't do you for it. Relaxed fit, stretched jersey since you've asked. Only the best. These pyjamas will be gently simmering and singing to me as the day goes on. Come to me, come to me. I am also at about eight o 'clock going to be watching an 80s movie. I've got St. Elmo's Fire downloaded. I've got it all planned out, but not before my absolutely heavenly guest comes over to come for Eat With Me today. Do you think he'll think it's impolite if we record the interview just lying snuggling beside the radiator. I can only ask, comedian Daniel Fox is on his way here as we speak. If you haven't seen his quickfire comedy sketches, please wake up.

2:23He's a TikTok starlet amassing a quarter of a million followers during COVID lockdown. No, his musical, Unfortunate, the untold story of Ursula the Sea Witch is touring the nation at the minute and And he's about to tour his sellout stand-up show, Villain, which was described by Rolling Stone as utterly hilarious and effortlessly charismatic. What I want to know is, what does a man whose pen can whip up this level of magic eat to fuel his funny? Well, I'm going to find out, Anna.

3:04Daniel Fox Welcome to Comfort Eating. Thank you for having me. It's so lovely to be here. I've just been complimenting you off air about your lovely scented candles. Well, I've got a very expensive one there that I only allow myself for moments at a time. That's the diptyque one. I still feel guilty every time I burn it, like I'm just burning money. Is that the one that smells like a log fire? No, it smells like my vagina. well what a wonderful beautiful vagina you have grace i think we've covered everything that's the end of the interview as a comedian with a burgeoning career over the last few years you have supported uk comedy stars like judy love sophie hagan josh widdekum rosie jones and in doing so you have shared rides with them covering thousands of miles on the british motorways what i want to know is what are the do's and don'ts of car sharing?

4:04When I was talking with Rosie and Sophie, it was months that we were sort of like three, four dates a week. My car has done 50 ,000 miles in the last two years, which I worked out as around the circumference of the earth twice and a bit with these two. Oh my God, around the circumference of the earth with three or four stand-up comedians in a small car. Yeah, doesn't that sound like an ITV special? So for ages, we came up with all sorts of like conversations and games and things to keep us going but after a while as the driver sometimes I'm like you look tired you just you close those I'll just pop a little podcast on maybe maybe I'll finally get to listen to my audiobook and have a moment of fucking pace to myself if you just close those I want to role play so we've got in the car and we're driving from Glasgow to Devon yes and I get in and I say oh I'm so glad you're driving Daniel because I can tell you all about my relationship.

4:55I go, that's amazing, Grace. You have 14 to 17 minutes to tell me about that before the latest Jilly Cooper or something goes on there. Do you ever feel, though, like getting out of the car at Fortin Services and just texting somebody and going, I can't believe she shagged blah, blah. Yeah, I have the whole thing on voice record the whole time.

5:20Are you allowed to eat smelly food in the car? Absolutely, yes. As long as it's not like something I don't like, but I'm open to fast food being in the car. I would say most of my rules for like a good car share is really being on it with the snack, coffee situation, getting in sync with who wants to stop when, who needs a wee when, being like, we can do two hours now. Also, my absolute rule is we're not stopping at that service station if it's a Costa service station. I won't. It's battery acid. I'm not doing it. I will keep going until we hit a Pret or a Starbucks or a Lyon. How pass ag are you if you say to everybody, does everyone want a we?

5:59And then like 11 miles later, I realise I have cystitis. I'm actually very forgiving. You know that film where Tom Hanks lives in an airport? Yeah, the terminal. I think I could live in a service station and have quite a fun time. as long as there's like which one oh go on south mims there's a little waitrose there's a pret and that's all i need just going between the artisan cheese baguette yeah exactly a little shifty around the prosecco section the little prosecco section the lovely nibbles and bits they have i can go over to the area where there's all the like slot machines and stuff so i can always see the people in there and go well it could be worse i could be one of you a lifetime in here is better than 10 minutes in there

6:54every week my guest shares with me their ultimate comfort food snack it is a jolt of joy when you want to draw the curtains on your day daniel fox what have you brought for me i have really lent in to the brief of what you eat when no one's looking thank you so thank you so many people are not telling the truth yeah they're coming on and it's something not embarrassing i want you to embarrass it this is i think you're going to be appalled so um this is what i'm going to eat let's talk carl it's 1am i've just got back from a gig my boyfriend is sleeping the only thing open is a nisa local um i'm having to concoct a meal from that that i can cook in three minutes in the microwave any meal that begins at anisa yeah it's not it's it's not you're at a sad point in your life aren't you this is a sad this is a sad meal that i take great delight in i'm calling it anisa surprise shall i show you please take off the tea towel i'm removing the cloche oh oh right i'm like all the best comfort eating dishes i have no idea what it is so the so the bowl is vomit so there's some vomit in the bowl and into that we can dip these lentil curls is this rice is this is do you want me to walk you through it please do this is an uncle ben's spicy rice into which i have put a small amount of baked beans oh some sweet corn some smoky tabasco sauce and some cheese everything in this bowl yeah in its in its packeted form would survive till 2028 yes oh it's got a kick yeah and you can use these as sort of croutons these are like those tomato and basil hummus crisp like the bougie crisps you can get from the corner shop um and i would probably like maybe i would dip in this is the hottest thing anyone's ever brought in is that Tabasco.

8:58Yeah, it's like the Chipotle Tabasco. The crisps are good. Do you know something though? That is good. I think it's great. It's like an unctuous it's a spicy. Are you getting flashbacks to the jungle though? If we had this in a mess tin. No. I really am not because there is literally no seasoning of any type. Really? None. If I had to go in again, I would smuggle a lot more spices inside myself. That's the only... I think I could eat a kangaroo testicle with some talasco on it. Absolutely. Absolutely. You just need a little bit of mixed herbs or something like that. Yeah, some tarragon on that witchetty grub.

9:45That is my advice for anybody that ever went in. It's just, you know, make the most of your cavities.

9:53Because you're going to regret it. they will check you on the way in but they didn't put a torch up me and now i know that well then i could get all sorts through that um yeah well they call it they call it the chat and pocket i heard that in a documentary it's because in chat and apparently the chat and people that they take into police stations they're usually they're renowned for being able to smuggle things up them and they very often find like a full phone charger. Yeah, I'm going to lean in. If I ever go on, they'll be like, how did Daniel get that scented candle, that full spice rack and a non-stick pan into the jungle?

10:34Oh, it's through his chiswick pocket. Practice, darling. Practice, darling. Willpower. Daniel. Hi. It was... Moving on. Daniel it wasn't always the glamour of stage lights and stodgy motorway snacks you grew up in Hampshire yes with your mom grew up in Hampshire with your mom your dad your older brother this was like a rural village life okay in a few sentences paint me a picture of young Daniel okay pompous I was a very pretentious child I used to write poetry when I was about six years old My parents both have strong northern accents, but I was raised in the south and I at some point decided, I think I should be Oscar Wilde, actually, is what I'm going to aim for.

11:25Are your parents like proper Yorkshire? Yeah, fairly. So what did they do when you suddenly got up one day and decided that you were Rupert Everett? I think they are to blame because they're very encouraging, very like, do whatever you want. And they're also both quite businessy, sciencey people. and I think when I started being like I want to write I want to be funny they were like great do that. Did you have mealtimes together? Yes. All around the same table? Yes. So you're walking from primary school you're all sitting together what's cooking? All sorts. My mum is like a very adventurous cook and sometimes that was like amazing stuff but other times it It was like, oh, there's a famous month where she was really into one of Jamie Oliver's books and everything had grated lemon zest in it.

12:14We had like a lemon zest bolognese and everyone was appalled. What year's 2000? Like 2004, 2005. Yeah, 2004. Prime Jamie Oliver time. Yeah. And your mum went for that. Yeah, he could have his powers and she was in. Did your mum cook puddings? My mum made an amazing chocolate puddle pudding, like a self-sourcing pudding. um that was like a treat if that appeared hang on chocolate puddle pudding it's a self-sourcing pudding only a middle-class person would say that so that's it now i'm putting you in the middle class category wait which self-sourcing do you mean it was runny well no i have never used that term before but i i looked up chocolate puddle pudding and all of the results were like australian people being like a self-sourcing pudding so now i'm like oh is that what it's actually called it was basically you put like a like a sloppy sauce into the oven in a in like a baking dish and then a crust kind of like rises to the top and forms but underneath it's molten chocolate magma so when she's making that is that happy time yeah the whole house smells like chocolate when that comes out of the end you're like amazing um i should learn to make that actually

13:29you were a mid-90s child you're born the year that oasis released their debut album definitely maybe by the time you're seven or eight we've gone from oasis to sugar babes round and round christina aguilera's dirty back then when you're seven or eight are you into this type of pop No. I was into such specific things, I think, at that point. I was obsessed with River Cottage. I don't know exactly when that came out, but I was obsessed with Hugh Fernley Whittingstall's River Cottage. I remember my grandparents had Sky, and I remember going, my brother was always really excited because he could watch Pokemon, and I was excited because that meant I could watch River Cottage.

14:13and I would just sit and dream about like, I could have a small holding. I could catch eels in a wicker basket. And it was so, yeah, Hugh just kind of bumbling about. Just like really, the idea of like growing tomatoes in a polytunnel and selling the excess at a local market in Dorset. I was like, what a dream. Did you feel like you were very different to the other kids? Yeah, I definitely think I felt older than I was. like old before my time and i think i've sort of chatted about this with like other gay friends i think there's different types of camp because like i think there's that very bubbly kind of like darling fab kind of camp like yes queen camp but i think i'm a sort of tired old lady camp which is that i want to go to the countryside and grow courgettes and make a moroccan pie yeah and i think i've always been that tired old lady come yeah sort of five times divorced a lot of money rolling around from the sixth one that she pushed down the stairs yeah but that's the dream i have got i have got to that age now where i just feel like i just need somebody with a lot of shares some land a heart defect and who will trick hip yeah well-polished stare and then And I would just buy a little mini trampoline and just like sit.

15:36I would stand in the garden bouncing on it in a bikini every day and then encourage them to go on it. I haven't thought too deeply about this.

15:53You're done. You're uniform. You set out to your local secondary school. What kind of pupil are you? quite goody two shoes but also class clown like it was always in primary school I was always like teacher's best friend always like wanted to be chatting with the teachers vivid memories of sitting at the front desk and our two teachers the head teacher and my teacher would always eat lunch together and it was like like a bruschetta kind of thing yes on which she would then open a tin of sardines put tin sardines on it and then sort of elegantly eat that at the front of the class and I always remember watching that thinking how impossibly shake whereas now I'm like it's quite wartime actually but um I was just desperate to like listen in to the gossip that they were saying about their husbands and the other teachers I love that how we're so influenced by by that just by tiny glimpses we get of other humans it's it's I don't think it is about our life is about like academic learning often it's about that it's about seeing that person and just the way that she puts the fish yeah like is is a hint of another world out there yeah and then listening to the rhythms of the languages as well how people communicate so much of um well then i said she said i said she said yeah she said and i said she did well i said she did and i've just always wanted to be that again titled lady camp do you make friends easily at school quite easily actually yeah primary school definitely so and secondary school i think i've always found gravitated towards people that would have things in common with and not found that too hard definitely made enemies as well um i was quite kind of bullied at school secondary school yeah um because really early actually especially given it was like the mid-2000s were very homophobic atmosphere and I kind of came out at school at like 11 years old.

17:53Bloody hell you know because at my school in the 80s if anyone had actually dared had the temerity to come out I think that everybody would have just immediately built a wicker man. Yeah yeah executed them then 100 % you know even though there were quite clearly kids that they were gay. Yeah yeah. So how did you do it what it's weird i can't like fully remember it on it i don't know if i've like partly blocked parts of it out but like i had my close circle of friends i had a friend who was also gay and so we sort of had that together of being like oh i think i feel like this and i feel and we would sort of like very platonic um but sort of self-discovery of being like and i like maybe i'll tell this person maybe and able to discuss those things um and also humor i think there was a lot of like like deflecting, like going on the attack back when people came for you.

18:51Thinking back, I'm like, it was multiple times a day. Like every time you moved from one class to the other, two or three people would yell at you or someone would shove you or something. On reflection, are you glad that you just bloody did it at 11? Or would you have had a better school time by not saying it? No, I'm glad. I mean, I don't think it would work for everyone that way. but for me the alternative would have just been hiding it and pretending to be something else which i've never been ashamed of it i never had a thing of going oh god i wish i wasn't that oh no i can't tell anybody i think probably because my family are very kind of open and accepting probably watched an awful lot of will and grace around that time and was like oh yeah great like gay people can be fun and cool and like i've always like celebrated that side of myself and been glad of it uh but just had to deal with the consequences of that i i do think actually a lot of bullying is a questioning thing like a lot of the time when kids picking it just like are you gay mate or mate you're gay aren't you and actually i did again another thing in my sort of last couple of years of school was being like well yeah and them going oh i'm not really having anything past that it's more than like interrogating a bit because they can't quite wrap their minds around it I think okay take me back you're on the way home from school after a day of being shouted at and shoved in the corridor between lessons what is your go-to snack for a little bit of comfort I mean you really needed it didn't you I would definitely go for like like a Turkish delight?

20:40Like a Fry's Turkish delight? Of course you would. Because I watched The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and was like well I love that. How glamorous. Fry's full of eastern promise. I bloody loved Turkish delight for those reasons. So glamorous. Yeah. It doesn't even taste that nice. The advert was like women and kind of... Yes. Do you remember, I keep thinking about the Special K advert. Do you remember the special k diet of course i remember the special i was i was i'm a generation x yeah i spent my entire life being told that if i had 40 grams of special k twice a day twice a day it's like if you can pinch more than an inch oh my god maybe you need special k you you fat fuck basically you know how dare you have some lovely frosties that actually taste of things they'd be like the glamorous woman rising up out of a pool in her red cosy.

21:39So aspirational. 11-year-old me like, I'd love to be her.

21:52You dream of escaping Hampshire from an early age. What's the vision for life beyond these rural climes what does it look like so i'm leaving hampshire it's very much grew up on the era of like the devil wears prada ugly betty all these things about like move to the big city and work in a fashion magazine or whatever it was and um i replied to five universities in london i didn't really care which one i went to i just wanted to live in london but you want to work in fashion mags no but i wanted to just wanted to be in the office yeah i just wanted to sort of linger around the lobby um i had vague pretensions of i'll do something sort of sultry and beautiful while i'm there and then some sort of powerful businessman will marry me and then i'll just do my arty little hobbies but that's a beautiful dream isn't that i mean it is that is absolutely perfect isn't it you're going to go to london and you're just going to live glamorously so what actually does happen what happens is I go to King's in London and the first year you get to stay in halls which was like on the south bank and I thought oh yeah this is what London living is of course this is what I always imagined um three minutes walk to Covent Garden in the centre and everything um then second year rolled around and I had to move to like zone four um and suddenly was like oh no this is what London living is okay when you get there and you're a fresher though do things improve yeah So university, total U-turn, everyone's super liberal, very open, very accepting, very lovely.

23:28But I definitely had a few years in my early 20s where I was like trying to be a different sort of gay, I think. I was like still very openly gay and fine with it. But thought like, I remember deliberately lowering my voice for like three years. Hang on. Right. No, I want you to tell me. I want you to do your I am a different type of gay voice. Hello. Hi Grace, really nice to meet you. So I would kind of talk in a bit more of like a monotone and a bit more kind of just like what I thought straight people talked like. Oh my God, that's exhausting. Isn't it exhausting? And obviously would never maintain it for long enough.

24:04I mean, I'm laughing, but why? Why are you doing that? I think in my mind, it's totally like internalised homophobia, as they call it, of a part of me going like, it's totally fine to be gay. Another part of me going, but not that sort of gay person, not like flamboyant, not feminine. So I try and be a bit more neutral, I think. But what is it about the campness and the slight eccentricity? Yeah. Theatrical. Why aren't you allowed to be that? I think I was very preoccupied with I wanted to be attractive and in my mind there's a huge this is another thing the gay community you go on like a dating app there's so many people wearing their little bio it's like uh no femme yeah no like no camp people and it's just really ingrained the sense of like we we can be gay but we can't be outwardly it's cool if you're not and it's more attractive to be masculine and all this sort of stuff but i think what it actually is i've done so much like therapy and thinking about this all it it all comes down to the world hating women people hate gay men because they don't like men acting feminine and people hate lesbian women who are butch because they don't like women acting not like women it's all actually comes down to because you get all the time people being like oh i don't mind if you're gay as long as you're a top as long as you're not the one taking it would be like a classic like bullying and it's like it took me a while to come to try and undo that

25:43you're at king's college you're doing english english yeah it's a very academically competitive uni so when you're up against a hard essay deadline how do you stay awake all night so much coffee i got into coffee i'm a coffee fiend and when i was doing my like dissertation and essay and all of those things i got to a point where i was having i didn't like coffee at the time and i started having an instant coffee mix of a mug with maybe four or five tablespoons of instant coffee in not a lot of hot water and then i'm like pinching my nose and slugging it down swishing cold water to rinse my teeth so they don't get stained and then just buzzing off my tits while I'm writing an essay.

26:27You might as well have a line of base self that you've bought in a pub by that point. Yeah, I should have just got into like Ritalin or something because it would have been better for my body. So hang on, you're doing instant coffee? Yeah, because I didn't like coffee, so I wasn't getting good stuff. But by the time that was done and all the essays were done, then I was like, well, I like coffee now, the amount of times I've had it. That's just addiction darling yeah basically well i like heroin now so i guess i forget the good stuff um and now i'm really really considering one of those like artisanal espresso machines i think i could really get into all the bells and whistles and tamping and that never ends though yeah the more you spend on the machine there's always another machine that you can buy like 1500 pound heston yeah monstrosity and that goes on until death as far as i can madness or death i can tell creatively things start to happen at uni what is the moment when you actually think hang on a minute i could write i could do this i think i've because i was always writing little stories and poems and songs when i was a kid but never finish i'd always be like i'm writing my novel now i'm like 11 years old and then write three pages and obviously go no further um in my mind it was like this mammoth thing that you never finish and obviously some really maudlin novel at 11 years old being like the crying nun in the bell tower by daniel fox age 12 um but at the end my best friend who i lived with was like head of like the student theater society and they needed the group needed a play to take to edinburgh so they were taking like people could write them and then submit them and people could vote on which one they would bring and she was like oh you should write one and i had like three days deadline i love a deadline so just rattled out this first draft of a play about an old lady old northern matriarch who dies at like 79 years old wakes up in heaven basically my grandma's condensed into one woman bosses everyone around so much that she ends up taking over and is god kind of from then on and And we took that to Edinburgh.

28:40And then kind of from there, I was like, oh, now that I've finished one play, I know that I can do that again. If they'd given you six months to write that, you would never have written it. No, I would never, ever have done it. But with my nine shots of Kenko and my jittery hand, I did that. I think that's where the best work comes from. The best work comes from, I like to feel the gun in my mouth, right? Yeah, truly. I like to feel the screaming of a marketing department saying, we will pull this entire budget unless you come up with an hour. The click of the revolver of the Guardian against your forehead.

29:20A hundred percent. You graduate from uni in 2015. You're doing stand-up. You're writing musicals with your collaborator, Robin Grant. you start to tour unfortunate the untold story of ursula the sea witch things are going really really well and then covid hits so the handbrake goes on do you feel like your wings have been clipped yeah there was a lot of like despair actually i've been working like a day job like anyone post uni while i was trying to write and then i'd gradually as the writing and like the plays and the musicals started doing better i could afford to go down to like i'm working three days a week at this recruitment company um and then just as i was like i might be about ready to quit this job and go full-time creative covid obviously tons of much more awful things than my creative career were ruined by covid but um i remember sitting i moved back to my parents house i remember just like spending a year sitting in the garden being like what a waste of my life like all the momentum is gone why'd you go back i was living on my own which i'd loved living on my own in london in a tiny tiny flat like a like a like a studio um and was just like who knows how long this is gonna go on i'm gonna go mad if i stay here so went back to theirs and just got to like hang around with the dogs and my mom and my dad they've got like a nice garden so just sort of sitting in the garden um and actually had a lovely year in some ways it was a really lovely year which i know is horrible to say no but you're allowed to say it yeah because i think that what went on over those years was so incredibly weird and we'll never experience anything as strange in that way again and all react in that way anyway so you shouldn't have any guilt about any of it did Did you cook together?

31:18Cooked so much. Banana bread. I made a banana bread. I made a cinnamon banana bread. Were you one of those twats that had a sourdough starter? My mum was that twat. I didn't have a sourdough starter. I can't be bothered with them. I like sourdough enough, but I just, I don't want a pet. I want bread. I just feel like I missed the referendum when we decided that that was actually nice bread. Banana bread I can get on board with. Yeah, I know, but sourdough just... like you get given it and you eat it but i don't i don't want gums by the end i don't want a bread that i have to distend my jaw like a boa constrictor you know when you go to like quite a hipster brunchy place and they give you in the little cardboard box with a wooden cutlery like sorry i need like a small craft saw to get through this bread what are you doing giving me this like makeup brush to cut through

32:18So who's there? Is it just you and your mum and dad? Yeah, me, my mum, my dad, and my boyfriend. At some point, he moved in, basically. Hang on. Stop. Hello. First of all, who is this boyfriend? And secondly, how did you just kind of drop it on your parents that another person is turning up? They invited him. They were like, oh, he's just come and stay with us. He was in the military, in the RAF and he basically they for the first lockdown they like locked them all down on this RAF base yeah because they have to keep that stuff running like the fast response stuff I don't know the details of it but yeah he's like an engineer was an engineer in the RAF um so he just had to leave his home move into this barracks and live there for like months um he is uh from Grimsby He's a professional wrestler.

33:10And we met on Tinder like five years ago. There is nothing about this man you've told me so far that isn't utterly fanciable. Yeah, yeah. Like everything about him. I'm sorry. So he's a northerner. He's in the RAF. He's an engineer and he's a wrestler. And he was on Tinder. He was on Tinder. How quickly did you like swipe on that? Like whiplash in my fingers. They've not recovered to this day. I have arthritis now. He, yeah, yeah. And we must have met, it's such like a, I was traveling down from a meeting with a theater in like Huddersfield maybe. And I think the train must have gone past somewhere where he was near Doncaster or Grimsby.

33:52Enough of a time that our radius is, we must have swiped as the train went past basically. One of us must have done a swipe. What a beautiful modern love story. But it is a beautiful modern love story that is. Yeah, it's a low chance. There will have only been like a window of about a minute, I think, where one of us swiped the other one. Hang on, hang on. So what was your radius? Was it like 10 miles or something? It was 10 or 20 ,000 miles. I definitely finished London. I'd swiped and I had to the point where London kept popping up and being like, no one in your area. Oh, you again. Still alone.

34:29I think five, six miles. It wasn't huge. So you're coming down from the north of England. Yeah. And just at that point, you see him because he's in your radius. Yeah. And you swipe. Yeah. And then he swipes back. And he swiped back at some point. And then, yeah. So that was cute. Been together for like five years now.

34:58You start writing sketches from your bedroom with different characters, camp characters like super villains gay assistant and parents that make up profound things their children have said they are very funny and they explode on tiktok how does that manifest does it build momentum over a matter of weeks so sudden it's really that's the only thing i could relate to like overnight success every other day I would put out a new sketch which is a lot it took so long especially at the start to to write and record and edit them all together that's every single day from the moment you wake up until the moment you go to bed exactly yeah and like now I'm I have a bit more joy with it because I've massively reduced how much I do but even so there's always the feeling of pressure but I made like three or four a week for two or three months with not a lot of feedback happening.

35:57I remember saying to my boyfriend, I'm putting so much work into this. And I think they are good, but it's not going anywhere. And he was like, well, you're doing so well, we'll just keep going. And the next one got like 3 million views. Which one was that? I don't even do it anymore, but it was a sketch of the horrible woman that makes really good coffee. I know exactly. Honestly, there is a shot. It's the fact that she's at the machine, but maintaining an evil glare and it's when she's like going and she's doing a spell over coffee

36:42right here's what i want to know you go to school and some people are horrible at school and then you go when you go to uni and things get a lot better but then you become big on social media. It's opening the door to the room of madness. Does that not just take you under right away? I think it could have so easily gone either way. I think I've got a really thick skin, but people are horrible. I mean, it's really lowered my opinion of the human race, seeing the sort of stuff people feel comfortable saying when they think they're anonymous. I love replying to them. I love sending them a personal message, like a DM.