Ambassador Rahm Emanuel

27:09But my sense is there is a value put on the individual as a part of a community and enshrined into the DNA then of the society. So do the laws help that? A hundred percent. Do they start there? No. They're an emphasis on top of something more fundamental in the culture. I mean, there's also, besides the training of the kids, there's, you know we can't get people in the office by 11 a.m they can't get people out of the office till 11 p.m i mean you i walk home from dinners and people are coming out of the office at 11 p.m they work non-stop the other thing that is really beautiful or i think i didn't like it at first but like you go to a restaurant you walk out and the chef slash owner is there and they bow to thank you for coming and they hand you a gift.

28:00No tipping is allowed anywhere. That's their job. And they want to make sure you, not as a customer, but as a client, enjoyed it. It's really stunningly beautiful. Now they have a challenge on, they have a department, a cabinet position for loneliness. Yes. So not everything is perfect. I'm familiar with this. I did a trip to, to Tokyo, one of my travel shows. And while I was there, we discovered the concept that you can rent family members because it's a real issue. So I rented a wife, daughter, and a grandfather. And then I started, and it's all perfectly legit. They just hang out with you, nothing creepy happens.

28:51but it was so great because I ended up talking to the grandfather about all the things that bother me about my father and it was very therapeutic and he didn't speak English so he understood none of it but smiled with this beaming smile and I felt like it was worth six years of therapy. I left those people and I was like, I miss that guy. I think you scared them. I did probably. Yeah, I think you really scared them. I'm a very strange looking man. I'll stand out. Also, the one other thing is, you know, you go to a restaurant and they'll explain to you, oh, this fish is caught in this bay and this is the only time of year.

29:27And I'm like, and the corn is grown or, you know, the rice is here or the vegetables. And I said, you know, in America, the big thing is farm to table. I said, you guys been doing it for like 800 years. You may want to market this thing. Okay. Okay. We think we've discovered something. Like you've been doing it for 800 years. Yeah. We came up with it 11 years ago. Yeah, it didn't exist until somebody grew a piece of corn in the backyard called farm to table. Okay. This is a thing because there's something, this is a unique opportunity I have to talk to someone who's had these very different positions of power.

30:06And I'm trying to understand, obviously, the world internationally is a frightening place right now. I maintain it's always been a frightening place, just that we have more access to all the information. More frightening people. Yeah, but it is without a doubt. We're facing all these challenges, and I agree with you. I think you've gone out of your way to identify certain parties because there's a tendency to go, well, it's gray areas, black and white. And you are identifying certain regimes, certain parties, whether it's Putin, China. You're saying, look, these people are bullies and we have to stand up to these people.

30:47And this is a value of the United States of America when I think a lot of people are feeling a little wishy-washy about that. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah. I mean, I'm very specific about China and in the recent past, Russia, 100 percent. because, and it's not just they're bullies, but they're also, look, there's, I don't mean to make it binary, but in this case it is because they've chosen, which is you either can have a rules-based system that applies to all, or you can have the raw exercise of power that applies to the powerful. And I don't think you want to live in a world where the raw exercise of power.

31:22Second is Putin and, well, Russia and China have decided to militarize their maps, okay? and they're going to execute those maps, their vision of the world, where the boundaries are, where the lines are by armed forces. That is not the world we want to live in. Now, we are not a perfect judge of the rules. We have violated them. We have been imperfect, but we have more often than not abided by them and more often than not held other countries accountable when they violate them. And when you don't have American power, the world does feel like it's off its axis as you do right now as we're sitting here today talking.

32:00And that is why we have a responsibility. And then when it comes to situation, I'll give you an example of the most recent thing about China. You know, in Japan, the prime minister did a cabinet shakeup and announced, I'm going to have a new minister of foreign affairs and a new minister of defense. And he announced it to the world. They barely have an armed forces. Now they're building it up. China, in that same period of time, the foreign minister and the defense minister, both went missing. Gone. And they have 500 nuclear head weapons. I'm sorry. You want to be a world power? You have China has a lot to contribute to the world.

32:36But if you have 500 nuclear weapons, who's in charge? Because God forbid something happens in the next three weeks. We'd like to know, is it an 800 collect call or who are we calling here? Okay. And I'm sorry, This is not the secretary of agriculture or the head of the environmental agency. This is the two people, two positions that outwardly face the world. You have an obligation with 500 nuclear weapons. Just like who are we calling? Are we doing it on a zip call? How are we doing this? And we're going to call it out because this is not you want to lie about your unemployed youth. You don't want to release the data.

33:13You think that's how somehow the youth are going to feel better. Fine, go do that to your youth. But when it comes to Minister of Defense, you don't get to say, I ain't telling you. Since China knew that I was doing your show today, today they announced he's no longer the Minister of Defense because they knew we were doing this show and they were really scared that we were going to be so prescient. The Chinese are terrified of me and have been for a long time. That's going to get you ready. That is your opening line for your confirmation, Harry. Okay, there it is. We just wrote that. My name is Conan O 'Brien.

33:46And the Chinese are terrified of me. Okay. Oh, 90 to 2. 90 to 2. There you'll get confirmed. You got to get the 2 to show off. Someone's going to say there's this footage of you in 1998 jumping into caramel in a thong. No, but here's the thing. And my thing is on China, they put a map out. Yeah. India, official complaint. Indonesia, official complaint. Vietnam, official complaint. Philippines, official complaint. Japan, official complaint. Malaysia, official complaint. I'm that is an incredible map to put out and everybody in the neighborhood doesn't like it. And we have Xi has made a decision to have a religious past about China's great past.

34:29We've just gone through Putin's desire to be Catherine and Peter the Great all wrapped up in one. And that's the 17th and 18th century. I hate to see what if they go back to the 15th century. So forget it. We're going to call them out. And here's the deal. You want to do the raw exercise of power? Fine. We're going to be for rules. And guess what? And here's the other thing that Americans have to remember. We have an immigration problem. People want to be part of our world. Okay. Young men, the future of Russia, Moscow and St. Petersburg, they've left. Beijing, Shanghai, left. Yeah. There's a young woman just died, is brain dead in a hospital in Tehran because they grabbed her in a subway.

35:06They're dying on the streets. Nobody, there is no immigration problem in Iran, China, or Russia. They have an immigration problem, not an immigration problem. People, we forget this. Breaking news. Freedom is seductive. And people want to be a part of it. Yeah. And we suck a lot of times because we don't allow a lot of people that live here to be part of that. And we have to work on it. That said, do never lose sight of how powerful this country is and the values we have. And people want to be a part of it. And I'm going to call out China and call out Russia because they need to be called out.

35:41Let me ask you specifically. Now that felt therapeutic, so thank you. We're gonna play music under it. Okay. Can I get a little - But not the music you want. I would like piano. Yeah. A little Philip Glass piece or something like that. No, it's not gonna be what you want. Wait a second. It's gonna be Jethro Tull.

36:04I can live with that. We're gonna call them out. I can live with that. Okay. Okay. There is something I wanted to ask you about this because something I've been thinking about recently, which is obviously I have very strong opinions that we need to help Ukraine as much as possible and that Putin has to be stopped. That is a very clear issue to me. But as a history buff, and I know you're a history buff, I know that there's something in the American DNA that has always made us very reluctant to get involved. We were very reluctant to get involved in World War I, very reluctant to get involved in World War II when it was clearly a moral imperative.

36:53And we are, as a country, the United States has always wanted to say, we want to take our toys and go home. We just want to stay here. Let's not get involved. It costs too much money. When the money involved in helping some of these countries is a fraction of what we spend on other things, which I think are probably less important. What is it about Americans? Do you think that's changing? Or do you think that that's something that's just in the DNA of being an American, that we would rather not, given our druthers, get involved? Well, it does go, I mean, To go back in history, it goes back 100 years, and you got more than 100 years, rather, to the founding of not being involved in Europe's wars, not being involved in other wars.

37:37Now, it does change post-World War II, where there's a decision. I just finished this great book on Max Hastings' books on Korea, and I did not realize how significant a drop-off post-World War II was in the defense. that clearly you could say from a deterrence standpoint, everybody points to the Atchison speech, but we actually were caught flat-footed and not capable right after World War II as it really did the Korea War militarily. We weren't prepared. Not only not prepared, but defense-wise, how significant a drawdown that was. So we almost, you could argue in the first five years, repeated the same thing, mistakes of post-World War I.

38:16But Americans don't, they don't want to be obligated and worried with the rest of the world, but it keeps knocking on our front door. So we start this process of, and we're in the middle right now, the early stages of that process again, post the Cold War where things were working accordingly and we let our deterrence guard down. And now we're in the mad dash rush, both in Europe, the Mideast and Indo-Pacific of getting our deterrence back up to where it needs to be. So we don't have these type of wars. Yeah. And I think it's very easy politically for people when there's times of trouble to say, why are we spending money over there?

38:55Why are we spending money on those countries when America should come first without thinking a little bit further and thinking, no, this is in our vital interests? Well, I actually, I would go back. I think that's a false choice, which is there are things that we should have been spending money on at home. Yes. Okay, but it wasn't coming at the expense of spending and doing the type of things you need to do at home overseas. And for a long time, we didn't make the type of investment. And I'm going to do a plug here for my boss, President Biden, because I do think the type of things that he's doing, whether you talk chips, infrastructure spending in the United States, or for that matter, on climate change type of investments, Those are desperately needed for America, desperately needed for our leadership.

39:35But they don't come from the same pot of resources or somehow mean you can't invest in certain things here when you're making sure that Ukraine does not disappear as a country, a language, a people, and an identity separate from distinct. Because the best thing we can do to crumble Russia is to show a successful Slavic nation on its border, democratically, politically, society-wise, and economically. Exactly. And that is what he lives in fear of, is that in fact, is when you look at Poland and its success, you look at the rest of Eastern Europe, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and then if Ukraine joined that, the mirror, it would be a house of mirrors for him.

40:13And he would, and all his warts and all would be exposed to the Russian people. I was shocked that, I mean, obviously he's got things locked down, but I don't know. Not as best as you think. No, no. Well, exactly. I would have thought that a recent insurrection by his top military, I would have thought that that would have weakened him more. Maybe it has. I don't know. But I'm kind of stunned that Putin probably, I mean, he does, as you said, admires the czars. He probably has it set up that he's impregnable. Regnable. There's one thing, uh, this is true about, uh, Putin and Xi. We used to think of this and we have to update this.

40:58We used to think of the gulag you get sent away. They take you out because of the phone and technology, the gulag comes to you. You don't go away to the gulag. It comes to your front door, into your house and on your phone. You make a phone call. They know about it. You text, they know about it. Not just who, what, and what you said. When you go and you're at a scene, God forbid, you're at a scene where there's a protest, they know you were there. So the gulag is not a place you go. It goes with you wherever you are. And that's how they have perfected the state operation. And we have to start changing the way we think about it.

41:39And that's why, while I'm not saying they're absolutely secure internally, they have mastered the security system in a way that we not even begun to think about you did come in here with several phones yes i did and uh in fact i want to make sure that actually the communist party is meeting now can you speak a little louder please hi conan here your greatest fear um but that's got to be i got one for do you when you talk government and family and another one for my mother okay Someone that's not charged.

42:16That phone's from 1988. It's a giant brick with an antenna. That's from mom. That's right. You know Chuck Schumer has that flip phone. Why do you use that? So his mother can't call him. That's why.

42:40I want to bring up Israel. Obviously, this is an incredibly complex conversation and a complex conversation for anybody who's, I mean, you know, it's generational. Anybody called Rahm Israel Emanuel. Yeah, it's a very complicated conversation. He's Italian.

43:04You're Italian whenever you need to be. I'm going to give you this. I used to say in the mornings, in the Clinton White House, I would go in and Leon Panetta was the chief of staff and I would go in and I start 7 a.m. He and I and we're the first two to get there. And I would scream it. Leon goes and my hands are flying. And Leon goes, what are you, Italian? I go, Italian enough to date your daughter. He goes, you're not that Italian. I just look up at me. You're not that Italian. No, you're Italian, but not that Italian. So Rahm Israel Emmanuel. That's the name there. So let's talk about this.

43:37So obviously what's happened in Israel and what's happening right now in Gaza is dreadful. And this has been a passionate interest of yours your entire life. It's part of your family legacy. How are you feeling about things right now? It's like I have 600 feelings. And I think that's just a good start. I'm amazingly depressed. I'm angry. and my anger doesn't have just one audience, and pained. I mean, I don't even think I'm scratching the surface. I mean, I start, so one is having worked on the Oslo Accords with President Clinton, the Y Plantation. One of the more memorable times was going to Aqaba, Jordan, watching the Israeli army, and King Hussein and Yitzhak were being signed a peace agreement.

44:38One of the most beautiful things I saw in public life was when they played the national anthem, the Israeli military leadership facing the Jordanian military stood at attention. And when they played Hatikvah, the Israeli national anthem that was reciprocated, I thought it was a stunning way to end a war and end hostilities, to see two armies stand at attention and to the other country's national anthem, stand in full honor and respect of that. Now, I kind of describe myself as a security hawk and a dove on peace. That's kind of, and I think the abandonment of, by both parties, and I think more abandonment by the Palestinians when you look at all the opportunities they could have had by the Palestinian leadership, not the Palestinian people.

45:27I think the Palestinian people, from my understanding, the last to give up on peace, I think their leadership abandoned it and never, you can't sign a peace agreement or Oslo courts and two weeks later blowing up buses in Tel Aviv. Just, you either got peace, you know, as Yogi Berra said, when you get to a fork in the road, take it. And they didn't do it. Now, that said, there are leaders in Israel who also walked away from it. that said 1400 citizens of the state of israel in their homes were raped murdered decapitated in a total violation of their rights and what we believe in and no government would allow that to happen to any citizen and so i'm like and i don't think i have a singular emotion i have not only multiple i have contradictory emotions i mean when i was back in chicago it was as you probably saw a young Palestinian child was murdered.

46:20And I called the parents. And I reached out to the father, and I talked to the father, and I just be, no, no parents should have a child killed because of ethnicity. And so you ache as a human being. That said, a state exists, you know, the first responsibility of a state is the security of its citizens. And you violated that. And for Israel in that neighborhood, deterrence, we were just talking about it as it relates to the United States. Deterrence is, you know, your first and foremost responsibility is deterrence, deterrence, deterrence. And I'm sorry, they're going to restore returns. And I get that.

46:54And it's unfortunate because there's going to be a lot, a lot of loss of human life. And I also say this, and, you know, Israel acquires weapons to protect its citizens. Hamas puts its citizens in front to protect its weapons. That is not a moral equivalence. It just is not. And there's a moral difference here and you're seeing it play out and it's going to be horrific. Now, I could go on and on about this, but I will give you one thread of optimism where the world feels on the lost its axis. I think not immediately, and it's hard to say because we're sitting here in week two of a horrendous moment.

47:38You know, if you think about 73 is the Yom Kippur War, 79 Israel in Egypt make peace and disengage. And it's basically, since 79, held through a lot of tribulations. I think a couple things have occurred. One, this fallacy that Izzo can have a great economy, make peace with the global area, and ignore the Palestinian. That is not true. Now, whether a Palestinian leadership wanting to show up and make peace, that has to come out of this. I think that may be starting to appear. Second is the idea that you can obliterate Israel, or it's not, you know, from, they say, from basically the Sea of Galilee to the Mediterranean.

48:21That also fallacy is off. And I think with the right leadership and coaxing, mainly by the United States but not absent others responsible, you can get to a place, not immediately, not the first days, not the first year, to a place where you actually make something of this tragedy and tragic moment. But there's going to have to be a level of deterrence reestablished and a level of security reestablished. That is a thread that there is a better place, and I think out of the rubble you'll get there. This leads me to a much bigger question I had for you, which is after all these different positions you've held and you've been in the belly of the beast, you've been in the colon of the beast, You've been in the lungs of the beast.

49:10You've been in the heart of the beast. You've migrated from Oregon to Oregon in the beast. I always describe myself as like a 52 % optimist, 51 to 52 % optimist, which is I understand that the world is a terrible place. But I still think that things are slightly better or could be better and that we are moving very slowly forward. I think President Obama has the same feeling that history does not progress in a straight line but progresses. Where are you in all that? With your unique perspective. Well, I mean, as a former ballet dancer, sometimes you take a step forward and sometimes you take a step sideways and sometimes a step back.

49:57So I think with human agency, it gets better. without it, it falls backwards. And there are certain things you can look at, and not just because they're scientific, but other things where it has improved. And so I'm slightly on this side of optimism because if you weren't, you wouldn't get out of bed in the morning. Yeah, yeah. Okay? I am, and going back at least in this because we're talking about this, when I think back, I mean, so I organized the signing on the South Lawn. the day of, et cetera, not the negotiations that was held by the Israelis and the Palestinians. Was that September 13th, 1993?

50:39Yeah. You know why I know that date? Because you're Jewish. Because I'm very Jewish, very devout. You're a Jew. I am an Orthodox Jew. Yeah. Jew wannabe. And that was the day my late night show started. And so it gave me the perfect joke for the start of that and so in a very so this is how egotistical i am i think of that date that historic date of peace and that photograph is the day i started my late night show you know this is so i always that's how sick i am dc new york is focused on the world outside yeah dc's focused on power and la's focused on itself yeah it's such a so here i and i was thinking this historic moment and i brought my father who fought in the war of independence for israel fought in the ergo and on one of the underground, the right-wing underground.

51:27And I brought him to the signing. And I remember going with President Clinton to Aqaba for the signing with Jordan. The Y Plantation, we'd helicopter every morning up to the Y Plantation for the negotiations between Netanyahu, Arafat, et cetera. And I wasn't there, but I talked every day to President, or nearly every day to President Clinton during the Camp David. And there was an, you know, it struggled, but you thought there was a ticket to a better place. And then you look here and you're kind of pulled back. But in the end of the day, I'm on the it does get better, but it gets better with human agency.

52:05Yes. Yeah. That's the part you have to. It doesn't get better. There's not a gravitational pull towards justice. Nope. It only gets better with human agency and hard work. And it's interesting you say that about President Obama. he I've seen him sometimes where he's a little on the darker side too I'm sure you have not all of us when you do that stuff you you in the end of the day you kind of come there but you have some moments of doubt about this whole thing you know it doesn't I didn't realize Barack Obama was a Muppet apparently he's a Muppet no I just gave you that's a translation in the Oval Office oh trust me I have always understood that there were days is when Mahatma Gandhi came home and was like, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it.

52:56Three things I used to say. I used to say it at the White House. I used to say it at the White House, you know, like, thank God it's Friday. Two more work days till Monday. The other thing is a former chief of staff. Now, you go from the East Wing to the West Wing, that walk, there's like three oils of George Washington, two of Jefferson. You go next door to the Roosevelt Room. You got Truman's over here. You know, you have a couple Adams over there. I'm like, you know what? We're going to take these down and we're going to put up Fillmore, Zach Taylor, and, you know, a couple of these up here.

53:28Because I'm telling you, that walk, East Wing to the West Wing, the worst walk anywhere in the world. Because you literally go those 200 feet and they pass Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Monroe, Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Frank Rose. What? I don't know. I think Zach Taylor was okay. We can try. I can be graded on a curve. Let's get Zach Taylor in there. Let's get Phil Moore in there. Then we're doing okay because by the time they get to the Oval Office, it's a mess. Their head is a total mess. Better for self-esteem. You know what they should do? It's not good for the chief of staff. They should have a self-esteem room.

54:06Let's get back to who this is important. That is not good for the chief of staff at 8 a.m. in the morning to go like we're going for Mount Rushmore. No, not. No, we're going for a highway here in a high school, okay? We are not going. can you like what about high school okay name a high school that's a win for you today do we have to do Mount Rushmore again it's Saturday at 8am I mean come on it's the worst walk in it's literally everybody talking about the walk of shame no the walk from the east wing to the west wing it's a horrible walk take Washington out of here and we're gonna put in here Buchanan okay he hasn't really got enough time Buchanan was bad I know alright alright I'm gonna go back to the original story you know but like yeah no Buchanan Andrew Johnson put him up you know I mean so terrible Buchanan was bad about giving you something else so my middle one who I love dearly I love them all I used to that was the other thing my mother used to say I used to say you love Zeke more than me she goes no I hate you all equally that's also a key point that's a mother's love right there that explains a lot about you I said to Alana you have to start reading history you have to start doing this I said Zach and I do this so pick a history book she gets she goes okay She comes back and says, one nation under sex.

55:19I said, okay, you picked it. We're going to read it. It goes through the sex lives of all the presidents. Buchanan, little known fact, gay. And it was known at the time, written at the time. They probably had a different word for it back then. They probably did, but it's his love letter. Confirmed gentleman. His letters to the Alabama senator, very clear, living together, very clear. it's without a doubt that we actually when you think of LGBTQ rights, you think of civil rights, you think of women, we were ahead of our times as a country. People do not give us credit of what happened between 1856 and 1860.

55:57We set a standard with James Buchanan. Now he sucked on everything else, but there he was, God bless him, he was ahead of his time. Yeah, yeah. Well, I'm glad you cleared that up. Did you know? We got a lot of people in here like, Buchanan, gay? And I'm like, look, Bill Burr, I don't have time to get into that right now. Did you know that? I'd heard rumors. Okay, I'm going to get you. But you know, I'm one of those people like I think it's up to Buchanan to reveal it. Alabama Senator. I don't want to out him. That's his choice. Well, it's amazing to me, it's not only that, it was talked about openly and like in a society that was clearly not as sophisticated as ours.

56:35Right. Like, whoa. So I'm going to send you some books on reading because I know you love presidential history. I like all kinds of history, but yeah, sure. I love history. I read it nonstop. What's your favorite history book? If you had to pick one, Desert Island. No, I'm not going to do that. So here's what I'll do. On the Holocaust, I love Daniel Mendelsohn's book, Six of Six Million. Okay. It's a recording of it. It's a story of the story of finding anyone in the Pulitzer. It's a great book. On civil rights, there's this great book called The Sword and the Shield. It's about the history of the relationship between Dr.

57:10King and Malcolm X and how they learned from each other.

57:16On Lincoln, I still think Gary Will's book on Gettysburg is how he wove the Declaration of Independence into the Civil Rights, into the Constitution, the fabric of it. I think that was a brilliant book. There's like so many good Franklin Delano Roosevelt books. you know a book I go back to a lot and I think I just read it for the third time was Guns of August because Barbara Tuchman's book on the beginning of World War I just because it's all about how humans this is how humans behave and this is how humans start a war where millions and millions of people are killed and no one even knew why and no one wanted to go into it I don't know I find that always compelling right now I would read Paris 1919 yeah it's a great book And then there's, that is a great book.

58:05And then I think from military history, I love Max Hastings. I think he's one of the great military historians. I read a recent great book on the Cuban Missile Crisis, which I think is an important book at this time. Well, this podcast has always been about getting people to read. Wait a minute, that's a different podcast. It's not our podcast. Our podcast makes people dumber. But those are great recommendations. Thanks for taking the time with me. I really appreciate it. I was against it. I'm still against it. And I'm pretty sure. Let me ask you a question. Does this hour come down to like three minutes?

58:36It was a short podcast. We are going to cut this so much that you're going to introduce yourself and then you're going to be listing books. And then your ass is out the door. You know, my mother. This has been great. Wait until I give my mother your phone number. No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No. Either I get the full run, no edits, or my mother gets your phone number. You'll get the full run. Okay. Can you imagine? Do you think I would edit a second of this? I am terrified of you and your family. I am thinking of earlifting my mother to Beijing. I think the system will crumble in one minute.

59:11She will be running. She'll be in the hidden city hiding from Marsha Emanuel. Ron, thank you so much. Ambassador Ron. No, Ambassador. MB Ron. No, Ambassador. Excellency. Excellency. Excellency. Excellency. Most high. We bow to you. Thank you for being here. Thank you. For yelling at me, insulting me, but also bringing us your wisdom. But both of us are better for it. Nope, I'm worse. That's all, good. Conan O 'Brien Needs a Friend with Conan O 'Brien, Sonam Ovsessian, and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Nick Liao, and Jeff Ross at Team Coco, and Colin Anderson and Cody Fisher at Earwolf.

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