Andrew Scott

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1:37Hi, my name is Andrew Scott. And torah all his earm about being Cone O 'Brien's friend. What? What is that? That means I'm happy in Irish. In Irish. Fall is here, hear the yell Back to school Ring the bell Brand new shoes Walking blues Climb the fence Books and pens I can tell that we are gonna be friends I can tell that we are gonna be friends Hey there, welcome to Conor O 'Brien Needs a Friend Joined by Sona Mavsessian Hello, Sona Hello Matt Gourley, how are you, Matt? Hi, Doc Hi, Doc I'll just let it go do you guys ever see our videos come up when you're you know oh yeah you see the videos come up uh of us doing the podcast and i see too when they put out the photo of me with the guests i'll be with billy eilish i'll be with you know whoever the guest is but i think billy eilish came to mind because i was looking at the photograph and my hair is insane yeah and i realized that for years and years and years, I would do a show and I'd, you know, run a comb through my hair and kind of, you know, make sure the coif was working.

2:55And I don't do that at all with the podcast. And sometimes it's insanity. We have a wall out there of pictures of me with different guests and my hair is all over the map. It really is. It really, I mean, it's - It's mood hair. It's just insanity. And I don't know. I got self-conscious. I think the other day, maybe it was the Billie Eilish photograph popped up on my screen. I don't know what's going on up there. I look like Shemp from The Three Stooges. Yeah. If he were a ginger. And then I started to think, you know, do I need to do something about this? Do I need to get it under control? Or is this just what it is now, man?

3:36It's you. It's podcast, man. I have to make sure my hair looks decent every time we do this? No, you don't. Conan! No, no, what I'm saying, Sona, I wasn't saying your hair looks bad, it's just I don't think you have any control over what's happening on top of your head. I certainly do, sir. What do you mean? I put so much product in my hair, and I have to make sure that it's like kind of normal. So I'm seeing your hair after it's been treated and cared for. I'm just, and I'm saying this, Sona, you know this is also a compliment because your hair is powerful. It is the source of your strength. I have the most iconic hair on this podcast.

4:18That's saying something. Yeah, that's... I'm kidding. But I mean, you have abundant, luxurious, powerful hair. It is. But what do you do to it? Okay, so I get out of the shower. To make it so angry and crazy. Do you taunt it? I start off, I put in argan oil to moisturize. Is it aragon oil? What is that? It's argan oil. Isn't argan a gas? It's a gas. No, argan, A-R-G-A-N. Oh, okay. Not O-N. Okay. O-N is the gas. What is argan oil? It's like from, it's like Moroccan oil. It's like the, it's like really nice oil and it moisturizes. You can use it on your skin. And then after that, I put in like seven other products.

5:03Like I put in a leave-in conditioner. I put in a styling cream. I put in some gel and then I twirl it. Then I blow dry it. And then. Then you use a defibrillator. Clear. Bang. Clear. Bang. I do so much stuff. And then a hostage negotiator comes in. Yeah, but it's been dry lately because I ran out of. I ran out of Argonaut. What would it be like if you didn't use all that? Huh? What would it be like if you didn't use all that? Oh, it's horrific. Okay. So this stuff is expensive? It is expensive. Yeah. It's because it's imported. It's expensive. So you have to get it from Morocco. That's the best way to do it.

5:37Have you been to Morocco to shop for argon oil? I have not, but I would love to go and I would go just to shop for argon oil. I think if they knew, if the people in Morocco knew you were coming to get more of their oil, I think they would try to keep you from showing up. Because it's just a massive drain on their oil supply. I just picture huge reservoirs of argon oil being poured over your head just to tame your hair for two hours. Well, maybe it'll help your hair, too. You think I should put argan oil in my hair? I think, yes. Oh, and then slick it and part it down the middle and put on glasses and go, bleh.

6:17It's a new look. I'm a bibliophile. Yeah, I would love to go to Morocco to just buy some more argan oil. Yeah, okay. Not going to happen. Oh, okay. Not on my dime, that's for sure. Hopefully. Do you direct order it from Morocco? No, but you can only get it because I guess they're just trees that only grow in Morocco. And then they cultivate the oil. They're cutting down trees in Morocco to tame your hair. No, they're cutting down forests to tame her hair. Forests? Yeah. That's why there's a desert. It was beautiful. No, it was like Ireland there once until Sona started to try and tame her hair.

6:55Oh my God. It was like the Shire. There were monkeys around going from tree to tree. And then Sona was born. Oh, man. We need these trees. You thought I'd been using it since I was born? Like I was an infant putting on argan oil on my hair? I think you were born with all that hair. I really do. I don't think you were a bald baby. I wasn't. No, I didn't think so. I actually was not a bald baby. I didn't think so. Your hair was born maybe two months before you came out. Is that funny? Your mom was braiding it. You're braiding it tight? Well, she'll be here soon. Yeah, that's right. That's the image I want all of you to have.

7:35You're actually born with a handle. Yeah. When it was time. They jerked me out. A ripcord. Yeah. And swoop. Wah, wah, wah. So anyway, that's insanity. So you're, it's dry now because you're no argon oil. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've run out. I got to go get some. All right. We got to get you some. All right. Insane. In just insanity. And one of the most disturbing images out of hundreds and hundreds of episodes we've done. Yes. Sona's hair coming out months before she comes out and then her mom combing it and braiding it before Sona's born is freaking me out. I feel like this is the second time you've done a whole bit about my birth where one time you were talking about my mom crushing me.

8:21What? Do you guys remember? Yeah, this sounds vaguely familiar. He just kept yelling, I crush you. I crush you, I crush you. Yeah, with her strong pelvic muscles, she was crushing you. Don't talk about my mom. I crush you. I crush you. Yeah, it was. Wait, what? I don't know why she was crushing you, but I do remember the phrase. I crush you. I crush you. You owe my mom an apology. I don't think so. I love your mom. She's fantastic. Yeah, because this is like a show expense, though, like based on like the Blay way of doing things. Can I use my corporate card to buy Argon oil? Absolutely not. No, because that's just going to encourage Blay to buy more, you know, whatever Star Wars gloves and Iron Man assholes and then charge us for them.

9:04So no. Why am I catching strays in this? Because you know what you did and it was wrong. And your mother's been implicated as well. No, no, you cannot buy argon oil on our dime. It's not going to happen. All right. Okay. I'll stop you. All right. We've got to get into this because we have an amazing show today. My guest today is a fantastic actor who has starred in Sherlock, Fleabag. I mean, so much more. I adore this fellow. Me too. I think he's one of the greatest actors alive. I'm serious about that. Now you can see him in the new movie, Pressure. I'm just on cloud nine that he's here today because I have not met the man.

9:43Andrew Scott, welcome.

9:48You may not be aware that there is an Irish television show that's in Irish language exclusively that they make in Ireland. Yes. It's called Ross Naroon. Ross Naroon. I was on Ross Naroon. You're joking. I was on Ross Naroon. And then it got canceled. Yeah, yeah. You were in the last season of Ross Naroon. You closed Ross Naroon. I'm the one that ended it. It was flourishing. But no, I went, I did some taping in Dublin. We found out there was a possibility I could be on Ross Naroon. I said, yes, all my lines are in Irish. Wow. what we used to call Gaelic, but they're all in Irish. So did you have to learn it phonetically?

10:28Yes, I had to learn it. They had cue cards that a horse could read. I mean, literally, it was, it's the most insane language. It is completely crazy. It's completely insane. It is crazy. And I thought, well, this is going to be cool. And I get there and I talked to this very cool woman who's the producer, super efficient, super smart, wicked sense of humor and i said to her what's my part you know i'm i'm coming in am i the dashing you know she went no you're um you're an idiot who delivers balloons to the bar and yeah and i said to her listen as a joke i said to her listen there's a there's a good chance that before the day is out you will fall in love with me this is what happens when i when i work with and she said i'll fall in love with you if you get this done in half an hour don't burst the balloon yeah yeah yeah and don't touch the balloons and it occurred to me that i've been to uh ireland a number of times and what always occurs to me is that my formative experience was performing there was a show i did once with a bunch of other irish comedians years and years and years ago the show's over with we're at the american ambassadors residence in phoenix park uh we get into a cab the cab driver's funnier than all of us yeah of course and it's just you throw a stick and you will hit 75 of the funniest people you've ever met in your life and they'll tear tear your face off if you're not yeah no they're vicious yeah vicious but you grew up you grew up in i grew up in dublin yeah yeah yeah my father my father was from the west of our very rural island my mother was from from northern iron ed so but yeah irish 100 percent irish have you confronted your irishness oh it's like it i think it increases i think it increases you know i think if you get well because when you're in ireland you just you don't think about it but when you're outside if you're an irish person outside of ireland you're much more aware i think of your irishness than you would be of course if you were just surrounded by everybody else other babbling other babbling people mildly depressed but also euphoric people people and i think and i do think there is a there's a reliance on storytelling and you know babbling and being funny because it keeps the people alive it completely keeps the people alive so if everybody's emigrated the way you talk about them is you create this stuff about them and you create you keep them in the room you know what I mean so I do think I was just back there filming actually in Ireland for the first time in a long time actually and everybody's funny everybody's funny step it up it's the language yeah it is it's the use of language so I need to say this right up front I intended to say it right up front but of course we started talking immediately about Ross Naroon about Ross Naroon which by the way every single podcast interview i do ross naroon sorry to bring ross naroon again share was just here and we talked about ross naroon you know well she brought it up yeah she brought it up she said have you ever done ross naroon and i said shut up share um i am a uh andrew i am a mega fan i to a disturbing level and I know exactly when it started, which is my son really got into the remake of Sherlock Holmes with Benedict Cumberbund.

13:44Benedict Cumberbund. And by the way, in the States, that's a sobriety test. You don't even have to get out of the car now. They say, who's in the Sherlock Holmes? And if you go, Benedict Cumberbund. I can come with me and start.

14:00so benedict cumberbatch as as as holmes and then you are his nemesis moriarty and the second you walked on camera was a epic moment for me because and jump in here if you know yeah this this performance you gave which has been much discussed and it really puts you on the map you are frightening terrifying and funny and i've always thought all the best villains are charming and funny totally it's important yeah yeah yeah and your moriarty there's this iconic scene where you walk into that there's a swimming pool and you're being very clever and you have that beautiful lilt in your voice and you're very and then at one point you say i believe the line is you you be you get enraged and you say to holmes i will burn your heart i'll burn the heart out of I'll burn the heart out of you.

14:53But then you're kind of pleasant again. And I think I've, I don't know how many times I've watched that scene, but you are so great in that role. And then these things just came one after another. Fleabag, the hot priest in Fleabag, was an iconic standout role. And by the way, if there were five people you'd asked me a month ago, who would you like to meet that you haven't met? One would be you. and the other be Phoebe Waller-Bridge, who I've never met, who I absolutely adore. She's keeping us at a distance, which... Quite right. Did you mention Ross Naroon? I did. Just saying. Staring you in the face.

15:40She apparently was booked, then she saw me as the balloon boy in Ross Naroon. He popped those balloons. Yeah, and she was out. But... Balloon boy. I'm serious. You have to watch it. It's wild. It's a fright. It's a fright. Did you arrive like this? I had the balloons and the guy at the bar starts thinking I'm an idiot and calling me an idiot. And we get into a dispute and I'm quickly ejected from the bar. That was my big. And then it was a year and a half ago. I hear, oh, they've come out with a serialized version of Ripley. that i have watched ripley which i believe is how many episodes is it i think it's eight eight episodes i think i've watched it three times all the way through your performance is stunning all the performances are great one of the things i also noticed is that you can freeze frame any second yes yes of those eight episodes yeah and have that mounted on the wall and it's a credible black and white photograph it's maybe i don't i'm not someone who walks away from a project and says oh the cinematography yeah that is one of the most spectacular pieces of television filmmaking so that got me your vanya which which uh is you play every role too yeah which i don't understand there are times i watch people usually it's in athletics where i say well that's a different species um but i i don't know how you did that and then i'm delighted that one of my my best friends in the world one of my oldest and best friends uh lisa kudrow uh has done this brilliant yes third version of the comeback yeah and i don't even know you're in it and then you walk in as her new very mysterious strange boss and i thought okay all my favorite people are in one project so andrew if i do nothing else but compliment you in this in this in this talk, it will be a very boring interview.

17:40You're forgetting he's a Bond villain too. Oh, I know, I know. I know. I left that out just to humiliate you. I appreciate it. He works Bond in every concert. I try. You do? You're a big Bond guy? Well, I mean, you can take it or leave it, but... No, no. He's obsessed. We will be talking to a historian about the Battle of Gettysburg, and he will say, how do you think James Bond would have done in that situation? Look, you were fantastic. yeah so thank you you've had you had this um well-deserved run but like all people you have an origin story yeah and we got to go back to that because you apparently were a very shy kid yeah very shy yeah shy and you had a pronounced lisp yeah i had a sort of really strong lisp which i think a lot of kids do they sort of grow out of it it's kind of cute but yeah so i went to sort of elocution lesson than you do like when i bring up lisp is it just come back

18:41say benedict cumberbatch right now um but yeah i had a lisp and uh so yeah you have to do this terrible thing called elocution which is you know all about your but part it's basically speech and drama and so the speech part was sort of stultifying with the drama part was suddenly i was able to be kind of not shy and do all these kind of weird things and I kind of love TV and all that kind of stuff What were you watching on TV? Just like The Muppet Show I was like nothing you know not just exclusively The Muppet Show to this day to this day you've never seen anything you watched all The Muppet Show and then you did Vanya All the parts

19:24The Muppet Show is extraordinary though right? Have you seen the Jim Henson documentary? Yeah, because we had Ron Howard in here. Oh, did you? Yeah. Yeah, for that. I mean, the invented - I got to know the man a little bit. Did you really? In another lifetime, yeah. I was, ran this - He was a Muppet. Yeah, I was a Muppet. Back in the day. Yeah, I'm related to the eagle.

19:49No, a very good friend of mine from college was Lisa Henson, and her dad used to come and visit us. and then uh we he was very nice to me and then one day because i i ran the college shimmer magazine and he said hey conan do you want one of the chairs from the dark crystal for the the lampoon building and i said well sure and he said we'll come down and pick it up and so we rented a van and uh my friends jessica marshall and uh mark anem and i jumped in a van and i'd never done anything like this i drove from boston to new york oh come on we went to this warehouse and they said you hit you know a guy with a cigar was like you here for the dark crystal throne yes i am and it's still there to this day yeah amazing just an incredible man just what he would have done i that's what i watching this thing i mean just i i guess that's why i guess that's why like even as a kid you're sort of fully formed i think you know what i mean so yeah you know when you're when you're when you're doing all that stuff when i was a kid you just sort of know you become maybe more accomplished but all the stuff is there with you with you i think when you're eight years old i think that's something that he really recognizes being here because he understands that sort of you know something i talk about endlessly in acting which is about playfulness is the sort you're really required to be is just to be like i'll do that with you sure you know what i mean then you you just slot yourself into different sort of scenarios and different sort of tones of of um of drama or comedy or whatever it is and you were very artistic yeah artistic so you drawing painting what are you doing drawing a lot lots of life drawing my mother was an art teacher and And yeah, just drawing all the time.

21:24It's something that I'm still really interested in. Yeah, so that was kind of, you know that weird thing where you get terrible party anxiety and once you're at the party, you're okay. Yeah. Yeah, and so the drawing is a way of, I don't know, practicing being around human beings. Yeah. Yeah. Creepy.

21:49I'll be there in a minute. I just have to draw all of you. Stay still. Everyone stay still. Don't move.

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25:25you said something that really struck a nerve with me which is we come fully formed and that's something that my father used to say to us he used to say all of you are who you were when i brought you home from the hospital um meaning when you it's like buying a a phone that already has the software yeah all that stuff i know parents really like to think i mold the child and i create the child and they get very egotistical about it and it's always been clear to me that they are who they are they come what you can do is you can you can fuck it up yeah but and you can also nurture and i'm still deciding which way to go yeah my kids but yeah they gotta earn it um my time is precious uh but you know that's but you can fuck up the software completely couldn't you like you know you go like if you have this very sad idea of what something was wants to be um you know somebody i think that's i think that's what my parents were both very good at actually but no because the three there's i've got two sisters my sisters my older sister Sarah is very sporty and my younger sister and is very artistic but in a sort of slightly different way to the way the way I was artistic and they were both very good at going okay well you do that and I think some of the real damage you can do is by going I don't know making your iPhone a Samsung phone nicely done yeah it works nicely done very nice capitalism nicely done right because you just secured a deal with Apple oh no I've already secured it that's why I had to bring it Damn you!

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28:02um so you grow up you're working on the elocution like that yeah you never grew up but also i love that you said about play because that's all any of this is yeah for sure and i constantly remind people that i have you take me at at 12 years old and i'm what i'm doing now is certain things have been articulated and developed it's the same thing yeah right i'm just play i love to play and i will play with anybody yeah i someone on the street will talk to me and if they're funny i'll spend 20 minutes with them yeah yeah uh it's just the same thing and it's a love of play yeah which we then get very highfalutin you are vanya yeah yeah you become and it's extremely impressive and it takes this amazing talent and discipline you're still playing no you absolutely are and i hate the idea of high art and low art i really do i think it's nonsense yeah and actually all the people who were you know like with shakespeare any of those people like shakespeare i always feel has been sort of hijacked by academics you know and anybody you know i always find out because the very first i was we used to do when i was a kid we used to do these we used to get to do shakespeare in these little irish competitions you know like just extracts from shakespeare so um you do 10 minutes of it and you sort of i don't know you just understood you just i kind of understood it in a way didn't understand all the words um but then i think what happens with some of those big guys is if there if there are 250 books written about how to um speak the language of michael patrick king and lisa kudrow's the comeback right it would drown it it would kill it there isn't a way of doing there isn't a way of doing it there's a and so what what i think happens with sort of some of those with theater particulars there's this idea that it's that you're not that not everybody is possessed of the thing that that that an actor needs to possess which is just to my mind just playfulness and the stuff that i love to do is to be able to just do lots of all the different stuff because why wouldn't you well it's also it's seeing that yes i love shakespeare but i also love the muppet show yeah that i love some of the more you know refined cinema but i cut my teeth on warner brothers cartoons yeah the timing the characters the kinds of uh attitudes that people are playing and i think there's no difference between a great warner brothers cartoon and uh a really good shakespeare sonnet it's it's it's exactly the same thing and actually he even says it in hamlet he's he says he literally is a thing about how you should speak the language is so extraordinary he just says just speak it trippingly in the tongue and stop shouting it out and stop doing all that kind of stuff so i think because i started and i didn't train formally i i you kind of have to put your your dukes up a little bit about about um not the way i'm talked about because but the way i the way i suppose not to let my access to whatever i do for a living to be to be um influenced too much by by the seriousness yeah with which other people talk i always think the word calcify yeah things things harden someone starts using a bunch of 50 words describing your process and what you do they're not doing you any favors no it's absolutely you know and it's nice that they see all that in your work but it's best that you not know about it and they because you want access to anything that's going to make you enjoy be spontaneous see a possibility and not overthink it i think it's so true and you just keep that alive and the longer you work you know because you're not really supposed to play as an adult do you know what i mean yeah you're supposed to know which is like the opposite of playing right yeah you're supposed to you're supposed to like have you're supposed to have to know the answer and like any of the any of the any of the great adults i think are the ones are like i don't know let's keep keep learning because it'll be really boring at this stage i mean i'm nearly 30 years acting you know sort of professionally and i want you want to keep being like you know isn't this cool isn't this cool isn't this cool i get to do this yes exactly this is also not to be sort of false in the sense that you go i don't know anything but you can still know things you can still go my instinct you know you definitely have instincts but actually it's having more confidence in confidence in your instincts like when you when you're doing like you're hanging out with kids and they're playing watching them play is amazing they're not they're not thinking what are we gonna do they just go okay you be the thing you be the thing you start with a my mom did this because she was an art teacher she was an incredible teacher my mom and she used to teach people how to draw and she said when you when you when you um people start to draw they immediately start you know drawing like the most tentative line possible because they don't want to make a mistake yes it's the best thing you can always do when you're starting to draw it's just it's to be sort of loud confident and wrong so start with a really strong line and even if that line is completely wrong and you've drawn over the line you know you've drawn over that that line will actually still be there but the people appreciate the mistake yes so yeah you start with a bit of confidence you know the way kids do that and you can it you can redraw it just but don't not draw but also i mean i did this kind of comedy for whatever almost 30 years on television you know where people come on and i interview them and there's a band and i would pray for mistakes yeah because mistakes were such gifts yeah and then you get to a point where you're like oh my you know here someone will misspeak i'll misspeak i'll try to say benedict cumberbatch it doesn't come out right we then get off on a jag if you acknowledge it and then it becomes about drunk driving and then it becomes yeah and then it gets called back when we're talking about that's the joy of it and people know instinctively as you know from from doing theater so much of your life there's something about audiences where they know the truth.

33:51I always think that about making mistakes in the theater, about people worrying about forgetting lines. There's no better atmosphere, there's no more attentive atmosphere than when you think somebody has made a mistake. The whole audience is like, oh my God, something is happening here, blah, blah, blah, blah. And the actor's fear is that, oh my God, everybody's going to think I'm a terrible person. But actually what I think the audiences feel is, it reminds them that they've remembered all the other lines. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that's really... Wait a minute. Hit rate is pretty good.

34:23You know what I mean? This is sort of live, so it's kind of all right. And once you get over that idea of making a mistake, the weird stuff that happens makes the day the day, you know what I mean? I always think it's weird as well. Do you, in comedy, do you feel like you guys dissect the audience as much as we like we do in the theater oh i used to yeah yeah i mean i would be uh and we'll get to this because uh you know we'll be talking about this a little later in the interview but it's like the way a um meteorologist dissects a weather system i used to you know tonight pretty good now i felt like they were and then you get to be like someone who studied wine all their life and you've just sipped some wine instead of being like oh my god i love this is a great i'm here in tuscany i just had a great sip of you know of pinot noir instead you're like the audience when I first came out they were yeah no you know what there's enthusiasm but it's kind of a froth it's not now then I would say on the upper right hand that I couldn't get them there was sort of a tentativeness but then I felt like they were a little judgmental you know and you're like shut yeah yeah yeah shut up yeah yeah do the thing just do the thing it's like when you go and see somebody in a play it's a lesson I learned really really on when I was really young i started at the abbey theater when i was about 19 or 20 and exactly that someone come to see the come to see the play and they were like oh my god i love and i was like oh we're just gonna get this laugh that we've got you know the thing you know well i wish you'd been in last night but the audience was incredible and this brilliant actor said don't do that don't don't don't don't don't do that because they don't they don't notice i understand that's not that it didn't happen it probably was a greater show last night right but like who cares and when you're in the audience and you're laughing at something, you're not thinking, God, why is that person in the balcony was laughing as much?

36:15You don't really care. No, no, no. You're not even aware of this. The biggest mistake of thousands and thousands and thousands of interviews in front of audiences that I've done was a guest would come out and they would start, you know, talking and saying some of their stories and then they would say, ugh, I'm sorry. This is boring. I'm sorry. Yeah. And you could feel the audience leave. Yeah. You know, I was thinking to myself, that's such a rookie mistake. don't tell them they're getting a bad show. And also in terms of etiquette, after someone's seen you do a show, they don't want to hear you go, I know, I just felt like today.