Billie Eilish Returns

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25:59we have something in common which is i don't think you liked your name growing up and i didn't like my name growing up let's talk about that let's talk about that well tell me about yours uh well it's conan yes and um that didn't fly when i was a kid why why why people had never heard it before it was before the conan the barbarian comics really caught on so early on people were like Conan, what's that? And then once the barbarian movies started to come out, I swear to God, everyone was like, Conan, what are you, the barbarian? Where's your sword? And it was, you know, about 15 years of that. Jesus Christ.

26:36Yeah. And so no wonder I didn't want to be vulnerable when I was singing. What about you? Well, for me, it was I same thing. Like nobody had heard it, except if they had heard it. The thing that I would hear every single time I said my name was, that's a boy's name. You know, every time I talked to any child, also like, like even adults would say, other kids would say, they'd just be like, Billy is a boy's name, but isn't Billy a boy's name? I mean, you know, kids are like little assholes. So they're going to be like, that's a boy, you know? And that really pissed me off also because I was like, I really wanted to be everything girly as a kid.

27:12Like as a kid, I loved, you know, all the things a little girl loves. I loved my princess things and my pink things and whatever. And so Billy just didn't make sense. But in hindsight, I mean, first of all, I love my name. And I wonder how you feel about your name now. I like it. I think I grew into it. Yeah. And I think that's what has to happen with your name sometimes. What is the name that you would have wanted? I can tell you. Okay. Sparkle. I wanted to be named Sparkle. But more realistically. Hey, me too. More realistically, I wanted to be named Violet really bad. I really wanted to be named Violet.

27:48I wanted to be named Lavender. Oh, wow. I knew a girl named Flower. Like, very specific theme. Sure, yeah. Oh, also, I, my, like, this is such a homeschool-y vibe, but my mom, when she was pregnant with me, like, Phineas was four or three, and he would call the belly, which I was in, Pirate. You'd be like, I want Pirate to come out. So they had named me Pirate, like, as a kind of whatever. And they were thinking and considering naming me Pirate O 'Connell.

28:27Because this child. Pirate's a badass name. Pirate as a girl? But, yes, it would have been a little tough. And also bully central, I feel like. But at the same time, would have been cool. But I am really glad in hindsight I'm not named Pirate. Um, that's some LA shit. That is some serious LA homeschooler shit. Someone named Pirate is listening right now. Yeah, literally. Sorry, if you're listening right now and your name is Pirate or Sparkle, apologies. But Conan, don't you, you feel like this? Because I feel like there's, first of all, I love my name. And also I can't imagine any other name for myself at all.

29:04I mean, now I just turned it into, I don't know what I did or, you know, sometimes I think that the name can also help influence you a little bit. And so if it made you feel in any way when you're really young, if it made you feel a little unbalanced or I don't really love this, maybe that's a good thing to have if you want to be artistic when you're early on. So it's possible that these names help us or we grow into them and they grow into us. And so I wouldn't change anything now. Yeah. but I really did go through a number of years where I also wanted jet black hair. Like, you know, I wanted like jet black hair and I wanted my name to be like - I know you were going to say I wanted my name to be jet black.

29:52I know, I wanted jet black. Well, I would have taken that too. Yeah, that would have been a good name. The name's black, jet black. What do you do? I'm a podcaster, see? That's not too cool. Yeah, I would have gone with jet black. What would you have wanted your name to be? I don't, I just thought, you know, I used to look at sort of the conventional people that were on television or movies, whether it's, you know, from Elvis movies or Bob Crane from Hogan's Heroes or like any of these people that have like just black hair and they've got that conventional good looking face. And I was like, that's how I should look.

30:26Yeah. What is it with this crazy reddish coif? Why do I have this weird name? Why do I have freckles? I hated having freckles. Oh, God. Yeah, true. Yeah. I had my two front teeth were dead because I fell in the driveway and they were dead for a while. Like they died. Like they turned gray. And our dentist was like, wait till your other teeth show up. Just leave them. So I went around like, hi, you look real pretty. I had two gray front teeth. I've got freckles. Were you also ridiculously tall then too? No, no. I got tall super fast. Well, at least you didn't have that also. But wait. Because it's freakish.

31:04But it would be a little. But Billy, I have it now. Yes, but you're famous and it's like fine. So I'm like Frankenstein. You're famous, Frankenstein. Be happy. But you don't have the missing front teeth and the weird, you know, hating of yourself. Well, I still have that. Okay, fair. Fair, you should hate yourself. Thanks for admitting that. You have a serious gift, which is this height of yours and that you could play a really scary guy. You could play, you could be, stand up. Okay. This is humiliating. Look at this fucking guy. Look at this one. Look at this. I don't know what you're about to do.

31:48Give me a fucking break. This is crazy. Wait, so what am I? It's so scary. Am I Frankenstein? No, you could be Slenderman. Don't you think? I don't. I can see it. You know Slenderman. You come in here and you're like, oh, Conan is so talented. Oh, really? My humor, my wit? No. You're freakish, guys. You could be slandering. You have such an opportunity. You have such an amazing opportunity. You could be so scary. Dude, dude, dude. You could, it's during October this year. You should come here. You should wear something spooky and you should scare these people. Okay, just what I'm going to do. We're going to contrive away.

32:29I will do it, and we just have to figure out a way that I creep up on you in the background as Slenderman. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? We just have to figure that out. We'll do that. You can play like a skinwalker. I mean, your pants are tight already. Just get some tighter pants. They barely need to be very much tighter. What are you talking about? My pants aren't that tight. Your pants are so tight. These are tight pants? Are they? They're very tight. They're very tight. He wore jeggings once. Maybe he goes back to jeggings. The Kardashians dared me to wear jeggings, I think. Didn't they?

33:03And I wore jeggings. You did wear jeggings. Yeah, that was horrible. There's a reason my children don't talk to me. Oh God. Okay, so that's great. What an ego boost for me. Yes. My career is going places because Billie Eilish says I could be Slenderman or any freakishly tall monster. You really could play such a good monster. Or a zombie. And just don't moisturize for a day. Oh, one day. And I could play the undead. All right, you heard it here first. I'll be showing up at a Halloween theme park near you. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Have you guys been to Halloween Horror Nights by chance? Yes. Okay.

33:39Yes, I've done Halloween Horror Nights. It traumatized me. Why did it traumatize you? Well, I went when I was younger. Did you go recently? I go every year, girl. You do? Yeah, of course I go. Halloween Horror Nights is no joke. They're legit makeup. The actors are really into it. They chase you out of a house with a chainsaw. Yeah. It's gotten more PG. Oh, that's weak. Sorry. It's just not, they don't really chase you like they used to. They kind of just stand there and go, you know, and that's it. But anyway, if you've gone recently, they do this thing to kind of make it like a more 4D experience where they like pump scent in certain rooms.

34:22Like really gross scent to make you really overwhelmed with the grossness of the. So like if you walk into one of the, you know, rooms during the maze and it's like a bunch of sliced up people and whatever. And it'll smell like this like rotting person smell. It's disgusting. It's amazing. But I I'm not even going to I'm going to say bless her soul. And I'm not going to put this woman and shout this woman out. But I was somewhere doing something and I was with this woman and she smelled exactly like the Horror Nights scent. And she kept like, I know this woman. Right. And and she was leaning over.

35:06I was sitting. She was leaning over and she was, you know, doing things. And I was literally like and I and because I'm me and I don't think really before I say things, I almost was like, you know, you smell exactly like the Halloween Horror Nights. Like a rotting corpse. But so, yeah. So like, and I was texting everyone else in the room, like, doesn't this bitch smell like the rotting corpse scent that they spray? I think we can tell people it's Joy Behar from The View. Always smelled like rotting meat. And I love her. I love you, Joy. There's no one funnier, but no one will tell her to her face.

35:39Wait, is this true? No, I'm just... No! This is how rumors get started. Yeah, but like the first thing I notice is smell. So if you stink once forever, that's how I will think of you. I took seven baths before you got here. Ooh, do you take baths? You can't fit into a bath. No, I don't. I have terrible, I feel terribly about myself now. When did you become a freak? At what age did you become a freak? You can't have a bath. Does the U.S. Army have to make you a bathtub and bring it in with helicopters? What are you talking about? No, I do not take a lot of baths because my knees always stick up.

36:20So you are too tall for it. I am. You're right. I'm insulted and you're right. I'm very short and I have an enormous bath and I can barely fit in the fucking bath. We should trade bathtubs. We should trade bathtubs. Let's do it. That's why I brought it up. Because I cannot fit in my bathtub. So you're not here to promote anything. You're here to find out if my bathtub fits. because yours doesn't and mine doesn't and we're gonna switch. It's way too fucking big. I literally drown in that bitch.

36:54These are the problems that you have to face. Do you fit into your bed?

37:01Well, my wife is there too somewhere. It's a pretty good size bed. You have one of those like shack beds, right? No, I don't have a shack bed. I'm a human being. I don't have a shack bed. We have one of those things you see in the Poconos. It has a giant, it's a giant heart and it rotates. Every night I put, I put rose petals on it and I go, Liza, my dear. She's like, no. So no, we have like a, you know, a big bed, but yeah, we fit in our beds and I am allowed to drive a conventional car. I wish it was a Hyundai, but apparently it's not. Okay. I want to talk about, you said something else I was reading.

37:44because I was reading up on you. I was like, okay, I want to have some good topics. And you were talking about how you really enjoy hanging out, just like hanging out. And I was wondering, what is a good hang for Billie Eilish? What's a good hang for you? What do you like to do if it's you and your friends and you're just hanging out? I love to go on bike rides so much. And with an electric bike, I'm not doing any kind of working out really with the bikes. Because also I live in a very hilly area. So it's a lot of up and down hills. I'm a big believer in e-bikes. I love an e-bike. And I use this company called Super 73, which is these like big bulky.

38:20It's amazing. I love going on bike rides. I love going on a dog walk. I love swimming in my pool. I love specifically like any kind of activity that like you might find at like a kid's summer camp, like any kind like on tour. will be like in the most beautiful place in the world. And I'm like, can we please go to a water park? Or can we go to a ropes course or a trampoline farm? Or like we did a lot of, we did a few like glass blowing classes and pottery making classes. Well, that sounds like. I love activities. You like activities. I like an activity. I don't love that much is playing a game.

39:01Sometimes because it triggers some part of my brain that gets worried. You know, if I'm playing a game that I'll misremember the rules or I'll screw up. I know it's a problem. I need to get over that. Do you like any games or no? That's a good question. This is interesting. No, I don't know. I think I'm just not a games person and people will say to me, hey, let's play this. I mean, I do games on my own like puzzles or crosswords or things like that. But when it's a group of people and they say, hey, let's break out this board game and play, I'm kind of a little phobic about it. I don't know what that is.

39:35My thing is I get competitive. Oh, you are. She's crazy competitive. I don't like lose friends. Same, but I like that. So you, so that's interesting because I love games and I'm ridiculously competitive. But so you, you don't like games because you're really competitive. Because I, I don't know if you just get nervous about, yeah, it gets too real. Right. And if anybody on my team is just dragging us down. Right. I just want to. That, I don't care if they're related to you. I know, I've seen her. No, that's fair. She's one of those people that just, in a blink of an eye, sees red and descends into madness.

40:10We're talking about games. You're talking about life. Yeah. I'm just saying. We're talking about games. Oh, I was saying you're like a Jekyll Hyde. I think you're a murderer. No, I get it. They cross over. Yeah. What about sport-type games? Because we play a lot of pickleball, and I'm very competitive with sports activities. Same. No, I'm competitive, too. Are you not competitive? You're not competitive. I'm competitive. I try and hide it, but then I'm very competitive. I feel like that's part, I can't tell. I can't play pickleball because I think I'm too tall. And this fits into your whole idea that I don't fit in this world.

40:42But you got to bend over and like take these different shots. And I think I wasn't meant for this planet. I feel like you, it would help you because you're so tall. I mean, literally we were playing yesterday and Phineas laughed really hard because I and our friend Lucy, we're both very short. And we were both just playing one on one. And he cracked up because he was like, you both are so fucking short that you have to step so many times to get to each side. We have to I have to literally run full speed. He can't short shame you. That's wrong. He sure can. Well, I'm going to talk to him. Yeah.

41:17And maybe I'll only lift the ban on Phineas coming in here if he apologizes to you. He's banned. He's banned until he apologizes for mocking you. I know which side to take here. Thanks. Okay, so let's talk about the movie because the movie's out now. Wink. Oh, yeah. I have a little note that says, when this drops, the movie will have been out for a day. Wow, people sure love the movie. Wink. But hit me hard and soft. This movie is stunning to me for a couple of reasons. One, you co-directed this with James Cameron. that's insane I know to have him direct it is insane yeah uh but then to get a to be a co-director with this guy is nuts it's great it's insane it was also his idea to have that be the case which is insane like he the way it came about is my mother like met him through something else and then like one day came over and was like oh by the way James Cameron emailed me and I super casual Yeah, and I was like, what?

42:27But also, like, we have a whole team of people whose job it is. Your mom can get through all this level of people. I mean, it was like, he emailed you? Yeah. Your mom booked you on this podcast. Your team was like, don't do Conan. And then your mom's like, go over to Conan. Oh, God. So real. But anyway, she was like, yeah, James Cameron emailed me saying he wanted to, like asking if you would be interested in him filming your movie and putting it out as a or filming your concert and putting it out as a movie in 3d like that was the ask the the not even ask like just like interesting at all like at all and obviously i thought that's the most insane unbelievable thought even at all i was like what yeah um and then i got on the phone with him and we just like talked about it and what was so special to me i've filmed concert films before and they've been amazing i've done documentaries it's all amazing and honestly it is a lot of work and i was not planning on doing that for this tour and the tour was like coming to an end in a few months and like i remember feeling like oh this is sad that i'm not gonna have this show documented yeah like i was really feeling like oh that's kind of sad but also like what am i gonna do you know it's I'm not going to film it I'm not there's nothing really I don't have any ideas for something anyway so it was kind of perfect obviously it's also an insanely incredible thing and opportunity but I was also like fuck yeah I want to be able to watch this show forever this is like my favorite show I've ever done and I was so proud of it and felt just so good up there and it's just it was just a really good show and I'm like I was so excited so that's like the beginning of it.

44:16And then like he wanted to co-direct it with me. We met. He came to my show in Australia. And then and one of the biggest parts of the process that's been really special to me is I like when I first started talking to him, I said very flat out, like, I have no interest in changing the show at all for this. I don't want to modify anything. I don't want to hear any notes. Like, I love you. You're amazing. But and he he had like kind of had already made that clear. Like he felt the exact same way. And I really was like surprised by that. He was like, no, I don't want to change any part of it. He did want the concert to hit an iceberg about an hour in.

44:57He's just he's stuck in a rut. And then he wanted the Naui people to come in and fight the iceberg. I'm glad you got him off that because he's so stuck. I know. But here's the amazing thing. He always loves to, and he did this with, I mean, he did it with Titanic. He did it with the Avatar films. He always likes to bring this new technology to it. And I'm imagining that, I think that's part of what he's doing here. Totally. Is I would think he would say like, Oh, that's so true. I've got a camera that I can use. It's never been used. Because I know it's in 3D, but I'm guessing it's not in the 3D that I grew up with.

45:39Probably not. Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. It's like, it's pretty insane to see. And I do remember throughout filming it, he would be like, you know, this technology has never been used before. Like, we were using things that literally, it was the first time they were used, which was such an insane idea. Yeah. And to have James Cameron be the one doing that. And also, like, it was very, very surreal because we were, you know, on tour. And that's a that's a very normal thing we're all used to being on at this point in the in the tour. And like, you know, he's like, I want to film some of your warm up.

46:18I'm like, OK. And so I I'm like doing the thing I always do. I'm in my room with my like I'm wearing like boxers and a T-shirt doing my warm up and getting my ankles taped for the show. and James Cameron himself alone with an enormous 3D camera, literally like this, is walking in himself and he sits like right here in front of me and he's asking me the questions and he's the one standing there. And then there's like four dudes that walk in that are like holding the boom and the lighting and I just like, it was the most trippy shit in the world. It was just like, what am I looking at? Like wherever he goes.

46:56He's like, Like, hey, James, you can come to our barbecue. And then he shows up and he's got a nine-dimensional camera. It was like exactly what you'd imagine him looking like, just standing there with a camera on him.

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48:32There's this moment in, and it's, I've had staff members here who are huge fans who, because I know it's in the movie, but they've also seen it. They've seen it on the tour and they talked about it. And I was really intrigued by this because you have this moment where you get, I mean, these are huge shows. you get everyone to be absolutely silent. And that's very riveting to me that, first of all, to have fans that will do that. I know. It shows a real, there's a mutual respect. And I think for you to be in an arena that's filled with that many people and ask everyone to get absolutely quiet and then you create this musical moment with them not saying a word, is stunning and what i love about it is yes there's going to be this great technology uh and there's going to be all these amazing angles but people also i think get to see up close what it is you do that is different i think that's pretty amazing thanks conan that's so well said and nice of you to say um but that moment when did you start to realize okay i'm going to go for this because well like you said like when we thought when we had that idea in the rehearsal period of the tour I really was like I do not think this is going to work like how am I going to get the entire room to be silent and you know it's not like you know somewhat quiet it's Like it has to be like nothing at all because what's happening is in my mic, I am singing one part and then it's looping and I'm singing another part and that's looping and I'm singing another part and then that's looping.

50:22You're building it in real time. Fully building it in real time by recording. And so. And also, like, because I sing not like very loud, the mic is like pretty hot. And so it really picks up a lot. And there was there was one time I don't know where we were. It was honestly one of like five times in the entire hundred and six show tour of Hit Me Hard and Soft that they weren't quiet. And the only thing that happened was everyone was quiet except this voice. Billy, give me a blowjob. Oh, no. Oops. See, that sucks. Now, I thought it was funny. No, no, it is, it is, but it's also just... But holy shit.

51:09But also I'm thinking... And then that was in the loop. And so I'm like... Oh, no. I didn't realize it got picked up by the recording. It just was repeating over and over. Well, it was a number one hit. And now the guy's like, where's my money? But aside from that one... I'm blowjob Sam. Oh, God. Where's my dough? That was literally the only time that really ever happened, because their fans are so, and that was just like some guy. But also, you know that the people around him were like. Oh, he got completely, I mean, he got shamed by the entire audience. And I think like, this is something about my crowd and my fans that I love so much, which is like their complete devotion and also like their willingness to fight for what they believe in and what they love and me and, you know, really defend me.

52:03And like the fact that they are all respectful enough to be completely silent for an entire minute while I'm singing and not make any noise, not sing along, not say anything, not want the attention. Like, it's really, really beautiful. And also, like, I was so sure it wasn't going to work out. I've never tried anything like that. It's scary. It's so scary. And at the first show we did, we were in Quebec. It was the first show of the entire tour. And they were completely silent. and then I was like, okay, well, that's the only time that's going to work and then it fucking worked every single time except that one time and a couple times where they were just rowdy and screaming but pretty much for the most part and also like the fact that I was asking them to do that is insane.

52:46It's an insane request and I was all away. I think, uh, I think you have this. Yeah.

52:56Turns out he's like a neurologist. Oh, no. 44 neurologist. Oh my God. Yeah. I've actually led the field in cerebral cortex therapy. He has a Nobel. What happened? I don't know. I had a tequila. I lost it. Oh God. But I think that. No, not poor guy. No, not poor guy. Not poor guy. We're going to find him. He's also banned. He's banned and Phineas is banned. That's the only two? Yeah. And Phineas. The only two, yeah. I think it's a tribute to you that your fans, you know, that guy excluded your fans know you they know you and they're not knowing this idea of who you are that's who you are i mean that's what i've the the two times you've been here and we're hanging out yeah and i'm refusing to play a game um when you're here i can see that oh that's billy that's just who you are and your fans know that there are a lot of people in your business who just show business in general who, and I see it a lot in comedy, there's people love the idea of them that they've constructed, but that's not really who they are.

54:10And so I, I think that's a credit to you that yes, it can work. There's a lot of people that wouldn't work for because their fans don't have that relationship with them. So I think it's really amazing. I think it's cool. And also the whole concept of so much of show business, especially, um, in comedy and in music is make noise and keep the noise going. And people are afraid of, I got to keep the energy up. We got to keep it going. And that's so much of it that for someone to come out and say, okay, everyone be absolutely silent. I'm going to try something. Is very unusual. I know. And they really play along, which I find so beautiful and also really surprising.

54:49And they're like that throughout the show too. Like they're so, so willing and up for anything that I want them to do. and they it just that's just amazing they're they are so wonderful and I do think like you know what you just said about me being me and that's who they know it's like it's true I think like I I kind of attribute that to starting out at as as 13 you know and being the person I was already, which is like always very honest and bold and like says anything kind of, I was already like that. So I didn't think any, I didn't think to do anything else. And I was so young. I was just like saying anything all the time and being myself.

55:33Like I didn't know who else to be. And like, I, even when I kind of like sometimes wish that I maybe hadn't shared so much of who I am, I am really glad that I did and also and that I do because one of my main goals and I talk about this in the film a little bit but like I can't stress it enough that like one of my main goals as starting out was that I wanted to be the artist that I that I would want to be a fan of and that's because I am a fan I'm a huge fan and I always have been and I've always been a super fan not just like oh i like artists and i like the whatever it was like posters and merch and you know if i could have gone to a concert i would have and i couldn't because you know i couldn't afford it but it was like merch concerts or merch i'm like i couldn't go i couldn't no but now you're banned yeah i can't i can't you misspoke once and now that you you're out what the hell i was saying But I was going to say that I like.

56:44If there's one piece of advice that I can give like younger artists or new artists and the thing that I have given to people, like if anyone starting out asks me, which has only happened a few times, like what I would say, my one piece of advice actually to is like play smaller venues than you think you should. or than people are telling you to and get a serious, serious connection to your fans and be your fans family. Like that is the number one thing in my career that I will always keep number one in the priority list. And like, it's all that's it. That's all that started. And because it was me, I was like saw myself in these kids and wanted to do everything that I, when I was 12 used to think like, oh my God, why can't my favorite artists do this?

57:35And why, why can't they make it easier for us to see this, you know? And so I've really strived to be that for them and like be reachable and feel like they feel like we are one and like they don't feel separated from me. And like, I don't want to be known by them or know them, you know, like I want them to feel like we are friends and that if I'm out in the world, you know, and like be respectful of course but but but like when i'm out in the world and i make eye contact with someone like this has happened before and they just like smile at me and i smile at them and they run up to me and we hug like that has happened before because it's just the connection is just there we don't have to say anything we just like and and you don't have to be afraid of me you know that you know there's a there's a part of the movie where you're talking about because you're very tactile.

58:30You're, you go out, you, you're touching a lot of the fans and you get scratches on your hands from your fans just because they're so excited to lay hands on you and you're willing to do that. And I'm thinking it's, it's not great that you're getting scratched up, but at the same time, you're letting them know it's real. Right. Like this isn't an act. I'm not a hologram image that's been projected. I really, this is who I am. This is what I care about. You guys are part of my crew and we're in on this together. Yeah. Which is, I mean, I've always felt that's the way it has to be. Even though I work in a completely different world, I think I look for any opportunity to let people out in the world know that like it or not, for good or ill, this is who I am.

59:15Yeah. Such a great quality. But I mean, that's, I think, really, really key. I don't know, you know, there might come a day where you're like enough with the scratching of the hands, you know, but. Yes, it's it can be a lot. I mean, also because it's like the trajectory of things has gotten so much bigger over the years that at this point, it's not only fans in the crowd. Sometimes like it's sometimes it's a little bit like it can be a little bit dangerous. But the thing is, like, I don't want to be out of reach like physically and, you know, mentally. Like I want I want them to feel like I am right there with them.

59:56And so it's like it's it's a hard balance because for a long time it was pretty easy to do that. Like I when I was first doing shows every single show no matter what I would get off stage walk straight into the audience and meet every single person in the room and like take pictures with everyone talk to everyone and sign anything like I never it would take hours and hours and it would be like hundreds of people and it was like not paid. it was nothing. I just I wanted to meet everyone. Well, it's also it's staying true that that's a real connection. Right. It doesn't have to be recorded. Right.

1:00:28No one has to see it. Right. You know, it's real. They know it's real. And that's responsible for so much. That's a big part of everything that's happened for you. I know. But I mean, it's hard to explain that to people that used to get when you first started working with me, you would get upset that I would hang out in the crowd so long afterwards. Or was it safe when they get crazy? I mean, I'm sure there's been some situations for you where it's been hairy it's the same for you it's it's can get scary for the people around you who love you who care about you who want you to be safe it can get oh yeah and i'm acknowledging right now whatever i've gone through billy has that times a million because it's a very different connection i mean people it's so what i've experienced is people get really excited, but they really like some goofy video that I made 28 years ago, which is nice.

1:01:23I really love that. But you have to walk that line now where you can't walk into the arena and say, I'm going to hang with all of you for 15 days. Yeah, it's been hard to figure out how to have the connection with them, but not completely. It's fun because in the movie, there's a part where you're like literally seeing your fans that are camped out and you're behind a window and you're banging on the glass. And I can relate to, you're excited to bond with them. So you're trying to let them, and they're so excited that you're banging on a window and they can see you and you can see them. It's just nice.

1:02:01I mean, people always try and pretend that this is more complicated than it is. It's really simple. The reason you started doing this is you wanted, you had something that you wanted to share with people and you wanted that connection and it's real. And now you can change the scale of it. You can have James Cameron. You can have futuristic cameras. You can have 15 million people coming to a concert and 8 billion downloads. It's still the same thing. The scale changed, but it's the same thing. Right. And it's also like with that exact idea, it's like you can have boundaries also. It's like you don't have to, I think I used to give my soul much of myself to that that like I kind of hit a wall where I felt like I lost part of myself a little bit because I'd given so much of it to them.

1:02:46And as much as I loved doing it, I was like, whoa, this is like really affecting me. And I, yeah, it's, and also like, again, when it got to a larger scale, it got a little less human somehow. Like people started treating me less like a human, which I get. It's like seeing Big Bear, Bigfoot. Big Bear. So Bigfoot. I haven't had one guy to own. Skiing on a ski trail at Big Bear. Listen, listen, no food in my body, just one coffee and an SSRI. Don't worry about it. Ha! Anyway. Hey, but this is real, man. This is you. Ay, ay, ay. But I mean, that's, yeah. That's one of the things, too, that I see it in comedy.

1:03:35People get obsessed with, I played an arena, and I think, I don't know, that doesn't look fun. like I like it there's a certain magical size where and I think it's it's obviously very different in music you can you music is quite different and I think sometimes comedians get confused a little bit because they think I want to be a rock star comedian and obviously some of them can do it brilliantly I think Kevin Hart can do it brilliantly and Eddie Murphy there's different people that can go into an arena and they're fantastic and then I always think for a lot of us, there's just the right size, you know, which can be, you know, OK, 1500 people or something like that.

1:04:15But once it starts to get to be more than that, I don't know that close. Yeah, it's hard to feel close. And I do think music is better on a larger scale than than just saying shit, you know, I think so. Yeah, I get what you mean, though, because I had the same kind of feeling for many years. I was like, I don't want to play arenas because then I'm going to be far away from everyone and not feel like it's intimate at all. I feel like for comedy, it's like different because you're standing there talking to them. So it's like really a harder thing on a larger scale. You start to lose like this, if it gets really big and I'm not one of those kinds of comedians, but I think that you might at some point lose that, that spark of immediacy.

1:05:01if the scale gets too big. And again, there are special people that can really do it beautifully. And I think I'm always craving, you know, sometimes when I see that the venue is really big, I'm like, I don't know if I'm going to have that same conversational thing going. But again, it's very different in music. And I think all comics wish they were rock stars. They just do. And me included. We all wish, we all look at music and we all kind of try and pretend that that's what we are and we're not. And then occasionally I'll meet these like iconic musicians who are like, well, I really wish I could have a talk show.

1:05:45And I'm like, what are you talking about? Really? You wanna wrap it up with Al Roker and go to a commercial? No, I really do. But, well, I'm really excited for you. hit me hard and soft and this is co-directed with you, James Cameron. That's insane. Just madness. Because I have offered him a co-directing thing with me many times. Yeah, and he's, so far, no callback. So maybe he's banned too from the pod. I'm going to say that I have great admiration for you as an artist, but I feel a real connection to you as a person. I'm really proud of you. It's just a weird thing to say, but I feel like, oh, I'm like a, you're probably your dad's age or something, but I have this like pride in like, well, Billy is doing a good job.

1:06:39It's like, well, who am I to take any, other than I wrote that big song for you. Right, you did? I did. Yeah, you did write that. I'm pretty much, most half your catalog easily of things that I, I'm just saying, and we're going to settle this out of court. I love the judge asking for any proof. Yeah. And I'm just like, I'm pretty sure she said and then he said. You're just doing this. No, I'm very happy for you. I'm very proud of you. You're welcome here anytime. Phineas is welcome here anytime. Thank you, Conan. Give my best to your folks. And I just, you're a huge deal. And so you coming in and just sharing your talent and your wit and just your spirit with us is a really cool thing.

1:07:23Thank you so much. I love coming here so much. I will literally come back as many times as you want. Okay. Well, we have a Hyundai and a bidet sponsorship now. Here's Billie Eilish for the Luxe Bidet. Hi, guys. You've had a huge meal. But thank you for saying all of that. It's unnecessary. And it means so much to me. And you guys are all awesome. and I love the vibe in here. I was just saying the other day that I just, I live to laugh, and I love when I meet people that live to laugh. You know? Just amazing. I hate people that don't laugh. Just so fucking, can you imagine? I hate when people don't laugh because it means I don't get paid.

1:08:04Oh my God. And that's it. No, that is my language. Like, when people don't laugh, I'm like, oh, I guess I don't have a reason to live anymore. But it's so wonderful in here that all these people are just, we're all just laughing at everything. It's just amazing. God. It's good. It's just what life is about. But thank you for having me. And I'm. Yeah, it was a big. We really. It was a big. It was really big of us to have you. I'm just going to say. You probably didn't see that. No, it was. I thought you were going to compliment Billy. I was like, I don't know. I did say it. She's still in the business.

1:08:39I mean, how's it going for her? You were like, what are you talking about? And I was like, I don't know. I pretty much know what's going on with young people. I don't think she's doing so good. I'm an idiot, but thank you for being here. Thank you so much. And say hey to your gang for me. I will. We all love you so much. And I feel the same. Conan O 'Brien Needs a Friend. With Conan O 'Brien, Sonam of Sessian, and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Nick Liao. Theme song by The White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy.

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