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28:28And, and then he was there just briefly. Dad took a while with the car. They knew each other from New York. That introduction could have been like, oh, hey, by the way, it's my son, right? He leaves, dad shows up, and I say, Chief Brody was just here, right? And he says, ah, it's too bad. I know him. I could have introduced you. So then, so I never got to tell him that, right? And I was always like, Jesus, if I ever saw, you know, if I ever see him out in the world, then, you know, I'll say, wow, as a child in this thing. But during Two and a Half, if Holland Taylor played my mom, she knew him.

29:06And so she got that message to him. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Before, before he passed, you know, but it was another one of those things. It was with Matthew that it was kind of, it was, it, it reminded me of the shider missed opportunity. Yeah. I mean, Matthew wrote very honestly about his experiences and there must've rang a lot of bells with you about those demons and what it's like to have that kind of, uh, to be wrestling with that level of addiction. Yes. And, and his story, I think took us more through, um, a lot of the, you know, um, just, uh, a lot of the stuff that, that he dealt with specifically, um, with rehabs and with detoxes and with that whole world that tends to cycle people.

30:02You know what I'm saying? That sort of the business model is to rely on relapse. Yeah. And I'm going to get yelled at for saying that, but it's really true, you know? And then they saw - It can probably happen insidiously where it starts out one way, but then things can become a business. Yeah, exactly. And then you want to return customers sometimes. And I mean, I'm asking, I'm not telling because I don't know. Yes. Yes. That is accurate. Okay. Well, the lawsuit's on you then. That's fine. It's fine. Once again in there. Add it to the stack. There's actually seven stacks behind you of lawsuits.

30:37But I could relate to a lot of that and just being at the mercy of people all the time and just giving away, giving up your power and giving up your agency and giving up just the light that makes you special, you know? And that just being dimmed. Plus, I never did the freaking drug that he overdosed. Was it ketamine? Ketamine, yeah. It was ketamine. The other thing, I'm grateful that I was never involved. My heaviest drug use never included fentanyl. Yeah. So that was never like - There's a good chance you wouldn't be here if it had. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Um, my ex-wife Brooke was engaged to a guy who had a nice business, you know, former athlete, young dude, good looking, um, but couldn't stop getting loaded and wound up in rehab again and scored dope, some cocaine in rehab and went into the bathroom and did a couple of big lines and died on his way to the floor.

31:41So it's like, and that was fentanyl, you know? And I just think about my gosh how many situation was was i in were that you know we couldn't like order the fentanyl test strips on amazon back then right i mean it was just like now you're saying well yeah yeah you can right yeah right i thought you meant order fentanyl on amazon oh no the test strips oh damn it for a second i was like well hold on yeah my phone's right here we're rapping early.

32:12Yeah, I misheard you. But it's not like today when you can just get fentanyl on Amazon. There's another lawsuit, but not me again, you. Yeah, you talk about, there was a great quote where you said that you and Matthew Perry, you had a friend of yours that described you guys as veterans of the unspeakable. Yeah. Yeah, that's a Downey quote. Is it Jim Downey? No, Robert Downey jr oh my god yeah yeah that's a downy quote most people say downy quote and i go to jim down that's awesome comedy writer that's awesome and you go to that other downy who no one knows right i mean maybe one day yeah there's another really funny very funny verbally dexterous guy brilliant actor no and a lovely man yeah yeah um but it's i gave him a new nickname in my book i call him bobby dj oh that's pretty good right i like bobby dj rolls right off the tongue right yeah bobby dj okay well okay i don't have one of those um i have a i'm not gonna say guilty pleasure because usually when you say oh i i watch these comedies on reruns but i'm i'm friendly with uh one of your directors on two and a half men jamie widows oh okay who's okay he's a lovely guy one of the great people ever yes yeah he's a lovely guy he's hilariously funny a lot of you will know him like wait a minute how do i know that you know great tv director but uh animal house yeah he's in animal house he's hoover i believe oh in animal house you know uh well now hold on a second dean you know you sit down smart you know that uh smart guy uh and he tells great stories from that set he has great stories about belushi he has great stories i mean i got to get him on here to tell those great stories um but his price is high um so wait anyway he talks about you should be getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars interesting wow they skipped that part yeah just skipped it um two and a half men anytime that show is on i'll watch it seriously yeah because your character in that is funny in a way because i'm such a comedy nerd i'm like this is a little different i'm trying of think of who else has been funny in this way, it feels very original to me to be playing that rhythm on a sitcom.

34:29It just felt unique to me. You feel like there's some precedence for it? Well, yeah, I was borrowing or honoring parts of it from Ted Danson. Right. From Cheers. Yeah. But it's darker. It is darker. Sam had to be somewhat likable. Of course. That didn't seem to trouble your character at all, being likable. You know, like he's, there's, you still like your character. Right, right, right. You're not afraid to say the most horrendous things. Right, because I had confidence that whatever that my character would wind up doing, that he would ultimately always be forgiven. I've watched the blocking on that show.

35:10I think you burn four calories an episode. You're always very comfortably dressed. Right. And you're always usually sitting one leg crossed over the other with a beer. and then other people can melt, have complete meltdowns. Or John can have a complete meltdown. You're watching, you've got some great jokes. Sure. Then cut to you in bed with an incredibly different, beautiful woman every week. And you're like, wait a minute, did you win some kind of contest? Must have. Must have, yes. Yeah. No, that's an aspect to it that nobody complained about. Yeah, yeah. The actors or the audience. Yeah, yeah.

35:49Yeah. Yeah. And interestingly enough, I was either married or in some relationship. No, it was only two relationships during the entirety of two and a half. It was either with Denise, married, and then that went bad, and then Brooke married, and then that went bad. So anybody you see me dating on the show was just on the show, which kind of sucked. I love that you're acting like, I know it's hard to believe, but I didn't actually sleep with that woman in that scene. That's usually the case. Yeah. This is going to be hard for you to believe, but I've interviewed thousands and thousands of women over 30 years of television.

36:27And guess what? I didn't sleep with any of them. Seriously? Wow. How is that possible? Thanks, pal. Hey, sorry. Okay, B, Arthur. Wow. Wow, you brought B into it. I had to. Wow. I had to. You mentioned that you watch it whenever it's on, right? Do you know who else does? My parents. Your parents? will stop what they're doing and if they finish dinner and two and a half is on, they'll just sit down. And they'll just take it in. And then I'll show up at the house the next day, right? They'll be like, hey, we watched this episode where so-and-so does this and then the kid did that. So why did John do that other thing?

37:07And I'm like, mom, I can't answer that question. I don't remember the episode. You know what I'm saying? They want specific details. Oh, I know. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like, okay, give me a little bit of backstory. And all the backstories are identical. You know what I'm saying? It's the week you threw John out of the house. I'm like, I need more. I need more, Mom. You're slightly, yeah, unpleasant. You're skeptical that something John's trying to do is going to work out. Right, and you're drunk in the scene. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You immediately throw one woman over for another. What happened in that episode?

37:54I really like watching you and John Cryer in scenes together. There's a really nice, real chemistry there. Thank you. And I know I was happy because I'm friendly with John and I know that you guys went through stuff and that could not have been easy for John. Sure. I was very happy that he participated. I was too. because it felt like uh there was a bit of a let's put that behind us let's come together which i thought was for the most part there was yeah absolutely yeah what do you say for the most part who's who he's because there's a couple moments in the in the dock where he's still kind of hacking on me a little bit you know and then he's questioning like if he should be in the dock because you know is it going to be another sheen uh experience that starts great and finishes in the toilet, you know?

38:45Right, right. So I proved him wrong this time. Have you though? Because many people consider coming on this podcast to be a rock bottom. That's a good point. And by the way, I went through all of your experiences, both in the book and the doc. Right. This is your rock bottom. Okay, okay. This beats you going to the trunk of your car for a MI-1533. 28, 30. 23, what is it? 36, so whatever. It was a different time. When you watch 60s movies, that joke about women's measurements all the time that people did back then. What is it? She's 24, 30. I forget how it goes. She's 36, 20, 36. Yeah, yeah, whatever.

39:24Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, what? You watch it now and it's just a standard thing. Like she's 36, you know, 24, 36. You're like, you're listing her bust and hip measurements. What? I've never understood it, clearly. There doesn't need to be math in that moment. You know? You're taking what should be a beautiful moment and reducing it to... Geometry. To ratios. The ratio of hip to breast is quite pleasing. It's the golden mean the Greeks discussed. The Thagorean theorem. Your Emilio is not in and your dad's not in. Is that, do you, I think you mentioned at one point you wish they were in the dock, but it, they maybe felt like they don't want to speak to all of this.

40:18I don't know. They watched a rough cut of the first episode at my house with the director, Andrew Renzi. Ramon was there. Mom was there. And, and, and they loved it. They were so entertained. They were laughing. They were just like, they were so engaged. And then they both said, you know, dad said, I'm already in this thing. I'm already represented in this thing. And I, and I like the way I look in that better than today. He says, he said, you don't want an actor thing. He said, you don't want the old version of me, you know? And I'm like, well, kind of, I mean, well, you know, it's, that's the authentic moment right now.

40:56And so, so he said, no, no, no, I, I, I can't. And then Emilio, they both decided that, that, or came to a realization that they, it was my story. And, and even though they're, they're, you know, part of my life and obviously the whole journey, um, they didn't want to get in the way of my story. They didn't want to, um, in any way, uh, put it through their own filters or, or in, in, in ways that might misrepresent some of the stuff, how it actually happened. You know, they didn't, they didn't want to get in the way, but of course the press jumps on it and they're like, they're not. minute what's the backstory what's the feud you know um and there there's like not none well i uh i your dad is a very special place in my heart because early on when i was doing my show in 93 94 and people were saying what is this who is this guy this comedy is aggressively strange we had a bit where it's very hard to explain but it was stay in your seat theater where we would it's already funny it's already funny well we would have we we needed a someone with gravitas um who would i think it was a medical drama and we needed an actor who a guest who would be the medical drama but what happened is we had other actors with green screen um sort of felt over their faces moving to different positions and then when their line came up we would take someone from the audience literally a person who had been waiting in line outside rock forest center 20 minutes ago, their face would suddenly be put on the actor's bodies.

42:29They're just sitting in their seat. Do you remember? I don't know if anyone has seen this, but they would project it. It's early, early, aggressively weird stuff. Your dad said he'd do it. And so, I mean, we never thought Martin Sheen would do this. He'd be the superimposed face? No, no. He was the actual guy. He's Martin Sheen as the doctor. Got it. And then he'd turn to another doctor and go, what's the diagnosis? and we'd be just a, you know, a body there with the green sock on. And then someone from the audience who's just sitting in their seat, who's from the Bronx, their face would be there doing a scene and they would just, we'd hold up a cue card and they'd say, three CCs of Palahoma Samazon.

43:07And your dad would go like, great. And then one more thing, I'm in love with you. You know, and your dad just went for it. Did he commit to it, the whole thing? He didn't just, I mean, of course he did. Wow. He committed to it a thousand percent. That's amazing. And he was lovely to me and we had a great conversation and I've always just had a, just a, I mean, who does that? Especially with his stature, you know, put this new guy, something that's bound to fail. Let's do it. Sign me up. Yeah, exactly. So, well, I'm glad that you guys are, and you talk about this. I didn't realize that Emilio was the first choice that Oliver Stone wanted for Platoon.

43:51Interesting, right? Yeah. Interesting isn't the word. I know, I know. It's bananas? Let's go with interesting. Interesting, okay. Let's not use a fruit. But no, it, I mean, first of all, stuff between siblings and brothers especially, I think can be, and I shouldn't say that, sisters too, but stuff between brothers is extremely loaded. Right. it then you're both saying let's do this acting thing you're you know emilio's first having success then there's this what turns out to be a very important film very important big director and emilio's their first choice he's gonna do it right and then something happens the project gets delayed and then they come around and they say well charlie uh oliver wants to see you for it now yeah how heavy is that um it's man it's it's a trip um emilio and i like never had that moment where we like sat down and processed it or even gave it the the the you know it never existed between us that we felt that we needed to you know um because it wasn't like that that didn't work out for him and then he did nothing yeah you know he he did a ton of cool shit and films that people are still talking about to this day, you know?

45:12Um, you know, I didn't mean to speak for him, but he told me that he didn't love the script. He didn't love the script. And then, um, if you ever have him on, there's a story with him and Tom Cruise, like jogging on the beach. That's already a great image, isn't it? Um, slow motion, the whole thing. Um, and they're talking about the script of platoon and they're kind of comparing notes and Emilio's like, well, what about this thing? What about when he, you know, and then when the bunny character pees in the, in the dead BC's face and calls him this thing, you know, and like, what about all that?

45:44And Tom's like, yeah, man, it's pretty gnarly. And, and so it, uh, I don't think. How about us losing the Vietnam war? That's a drag. That part. We should win it. Yeah. But so I don't, I don't think Emilio really felt like he missed out on, and a fantastic opportunity, which is interesting. until he saw it and was like, oh shit. But I think he sees that it just would have been a slightly different film with him than it was with me because that is, I think that is the only part that we've ever, what's the, we crossed swords on? No, that's not right. Well. What is the thing that people say? It's the image in my head now.

46:27No changing that. It's the only role that ever. Where your penis is touched. Our penis is touched, yes. I'm trying to help you. Am I helping? At the premiere. So, what the hell?

46:45That's not in the doc, is it? Jesus. I wanted to save something good for this, you know? Sorry, Emilio. Now I've done it.

47:07Well, this is another story that's fascinating. You give a verbal commitment or you sign a contract to do Grizzly 2 Revenge. Right. It was originally called Grizzly 2 The Predator. Uh-huh. Just for anybody, any cinephiles out there that think I'm violating, you know, the true spirit of the Grizzly franchise. Well, I'm just going to tell you. I'm besmirching the great Grizzly name. Matt Gorley saw Grizzly 2 Revenge in the theater 75%. I'll thank you to respect the sanctity of my favorite film series, regardless of whether you were in it. I'm out of here. I move to dismiss. Motion denied. But you know, you, this is the crazy story.

47:51So you've said, yes, I'll do Grizzly 2 Revenge, which by the way, also stars George Clooney and Laura Dern. And so there are a lot of great talent came out of Grizzly. And the bear has gone on to. Yeah, he has. Now the. Yeah. He's got that whole honey company. That's stupid. That was stupid. He's the Paul Newman of Grizzly Bear. That was useless. He's the Paul Newman of honey. Yeah. All profits go to me. But, you know, you say you're going to do that. And then you get this call that they want you to be the star of the Karate Kid. That happened. Yes. And take it. And so I think it was on a Friday and I went and I auditioned with Abelson, correct?

48:41Mm-hmm. We have a research team here? Yeah, with John Abelson. Yeah. And I thought the audition was a disaster. Right. And it was the scene where he wakes up from the beating of the bullies, right? And he wakes up to this mystical sensei, right? Yeah. and so to pat marita yeah and then um the dialogue was kind of stilted and didn't really have any kind of flow and like it did in that scene but it's not supposed to that's kind of their first encounter isn't it yes yeah yeah so this should be a little tentative exactly yeah and i thought i tanked it and i'm on the drive home i was like all right let's just park that and just do better next time you know and i get to glennis liberty's apartment in santa monica she's my very first agent right who actually got her agent's license because I decided that like I was going to become an actor.

49:34Wow. You know, and she was a friend of my mom's, but she worked for Pollock and Redford and, you know, she knew her way around. And so, um, we, we would usually have like a chalk talk at the end of the day of auditions and stuff like that. And, and she was on the street, like looking for me and I thought somebody had died and I pull up and she like runs right up to me and and and she's like crying and and babbling and and just so excited i couldn't believe it and i'm like slow down slow down slow what's going on and she said they they they need you in in karate training on monday you got the part well i'm like well hold on today's friday so and she's like yes you you're gonna be the karate kid it's like the biggest film in town right and i'm Like, okay, but I have to, I got the thing with the bear.

50:22I got the predator thing. And where is that shooting? That's shooting in Budapest? In Budapest, yeah. And not like when it's cool to be in Budapest, you know? And so she said, well, I'm sure there's, you know, I'm sure there's a way to get you out of that. And, you know, what should I tell them? And I said, I just tell them that maybe if we could just have the weekend, you know? So I took the weekend and went to dad and I said, hey, I got this amazing opportunity, like a career-making move, this giant movie that I think is, you know, it's got hit written all over it. You know, it's a game changer.

50:52And he says, and I said, so help me out. Give me like a cool way to get out of the grizzly thing. And he didn't even, he didn't even offer anything in that regard. He just said, well, so you gave them your word, right? And I'm like. The grizzly people. I'm like, well, yeah, but it's the thing with the bear in Budapest. It's totally forgettable. Anyone can get eaten by a bear, dad, right? And he's like, he's like, I've narrowly beat out a side of ham.

51:26Exactly. And he said, it's not about that. It's not about that. It's about that. You know, one big film is in this business is not going to carry you as far as, you know, being known as a man of their word. So I had to sell that to Glenis, you know, and she was like, yeah, have you lost your mind? And then after a while she agreed with pop. And so how was it when Karate Kid comes out and it's huge? Um, was that must've stung a little bit? A lot of it. Did you go and see it in the theater with the bear? I picture both of you, Oh, you fucked up. it's just got a big paw exactly you're taking more than your share you're you're splitting up they offered me the part of miyagi um the bear could have been miyagi this is great the bear was supposed to be miyagi you were supposed to be ralph macchio the whole thing's fucked oh my god but he went with oh i everyone just sees me as the thing that he chases people and eats things because I'm a bear.

52:34But anyway. I saw it in the movie theater like on a Friday night and it was interesting. It was a strange mashup of intense jealousy, right? And missed opportunity, all that stuff. But add to that relief. There was a relief and I don't know how to explain what that was about. I think Ralph was so freaking good in that movie, right? Yep. That I was looking at ways Like, how would I have done that differently? How would I have done that at all? And I was kind of like, okay, I think I kind of dodged a bullet here. I don't think they would have filmed the whole movie with me. I think they would have been like, okay, cool.

53:16No, you gave it a hell of an effort, kid. But, you know. Yeah. But also, I've had that experience at my age now where I can look back. Like the things that I missed out on that I was convinced were essential to me moving ahead that devastated me at the time. Sure. Now I see them and I go, well, they don't fit this arc that I have at all. Interesting. They just don't. Interesting, yeah. And you could not if I got in a time machine. On my way here today, there was some street work. So I had to pass my old apartment on Cochran. I had a$380 a month apartment, 1986. I lived on the first floor way in the back.

53:58I looked out on an alley and I passed that apartment. I always slow down if I'm in that neighborhood and look at that apartment. Wow. Because it was going to sound weird, but I almost feel like there's a ghost of me from 1985 that I used to sit on the steps of that apartment complex and think like, how am I going to make this thing work? I don't know. And so every now and then I'm like, I'm on my way to go talk to Charlie Sheen and I've had a pretty good run, but I'll stop and sort of honor that moment at that apartment at that time. If I could talk to that guy now and say, trust me, the gig that you, where it's between you and another guy to go work, be a writer performer for Letterman, and you didn't get it, and they only hire like one person every three years and that you're not going to be on that boat.

54:44I still think that kid would have said, you're out of your mind. That was my chance and it's over. I'm not going to make it. And I've had like nine of those. You know, and, but you, but then you look at it later on and you go, no, you weren't supposed to do Karate Kid. It wasn't supposed to happen. No. No. And, and. Because that choice changes other choices. So then you're not going to get Platoon. You're not going to get. Exactly. You're not going to get Wall Street. You're not going to get. None of those things happen if you do. Probably not. Probably not. And, you know, following like that amazing in theater experience with, you know, the Karate Kid as we know it.

55:25I didn't work for like eight months after that. And then I started writing stories about, okay, gosh, maybe they've tried to blackball me because I said no to their big event, franchise film, you know? Yeah, it just so that sort of compounded the funk that left me in, you know? And you did contemplate like I could be a cinematographer, I could be an AD, like I could get into this business in another way if this doesn't work out. Sure. That was more really, um, because I had done all of those jobs, um, in our super eight world, you know, I'm not saying I did them well, but I had enough knowledge about, you know, what, what happened on both sides of the camera, you know, and that was sort of the pitch to my parents at the, at the breakfast table, that first morning of summer after, you know, being kicked out of high school.

56:21I kind of sold them on this thing and it's in the book. I don't know if it's in the doc, but I said, look, I'm going to give the acting thing a shot. You know, I'm just going to spend this first summer of freedom, just auditioning and just see where that takes me. If that doesn't work out, then the kind of the, not a big lie, but the medium sized lie that I told them was that I'll, I'll go to film school and I'll learn how to, you know, I'll be an editor or director or cinematographer. And, you know, and so I just wanted them to feel like there was a backup plan that wasn't the same one that dad had struggled with for so long in his early years.

57:06Yeah, yeah. And they bought it. They bought it, you know. They thought, okay, well, he's, yeah. He wants to be a botanist. Did, oh, you also, and you talk about this, you had to sell your, your dad on changing your name. Yeah. Which is a moment. It was a moment. Yeah. Um, and I just, um, you know, Your original name. Carlos Estevez. Right. But Carlos had already been Charlie from in throughout childhood. Okay. Uh, because we've, uh, had, uh, an uncle Carlos, dad's brother. And so someone would be, you know, Hey Carlos. And we both like come in the room and that, you know, we had to put a stop to that.

57:44Right. Yeah. There's only room for one Carlos. Yeah. Yeah. And seniority rules in that moment. Yes. So I became Charlie and then I was Estevez all the way through high school. And then when I made the change or when I decided to give this thing a shot, I sat with him and I said, I really want to use Sheen. It's got a better ring to it. You know, Emilio's already using Estevez. And that way you've got both bookends of your heritage represented out in the world. God, you're a good salesman. Thank you. You are so good. I'm in the wrong business. Well, you and I should start an advertising agency.

58:17I'd love to. I would love to. Yeah. I just, yeah. And you say to your dad, like, I can see it in lights, Pop. Right. Exactly. Charlie Sheen. You weren't wrong, you know. I mean, I just, it was, plus it was easier to say. Yeah. You know? Yeah. What's your name? I'm Charlie Sheen. Even though when I walked in here, it stumped me. Yeah. And that's like on camera. That's going to be on like YouTube. Yeah. I know. I know. You're screwed. You're screwed. My name is. Well, I don't want to take all your time. I'm going to say this. First of all, you said you wanted to hand me something. But I don't know if you still do.

58:55Maybe you changed your mind. I know. I absolutely did not change my mind. You and I had a banter that I think ran over the course of a couple years. And it was during Spin City. Remember, I was on the Zone diet and I was like super thin and like eating nothing. Right. But I had this thing on Friday nights that was a treat to myself that was called the McFlurry. Do you remember this? Yes. We had great runs about that. We had, yes, the McFlurry was important to us. Yes. And then you said, you would always say, well, has McDonald's reached out and, like, offered you free food for life or anything great like that?

59:28I'm like, no. Unbelievable. Yeah. And then you would make jokes like, well, why are you out here talking about McFlurry? Why aren't you saying names like Porsche and Ed's Diamond Store? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember all this stuff? Yes, yes. So shortly after that, this shows up in the mail. Like, no joke. The guy from Arby's. The guy from Arby's. Bill Arby? You know him? Very soon. He sent me that. Oh, my God. An Arby's free food for life card. Yes. I don't know if we can push in on that or, you know. Yes, this is. And it's signed on the back. Yeah. I've been carrying that around for like 20 years I love that you have this and also and you're the reason I have it you're welcome you're welcome and can I say one other thing this I want to know would you go to Arby's and order everything and then when they go wow so cool to me oh and by the way I'm not paid and you're driving like the nicest car in the world Oh, man.

1:00:37You know. Here's the good news. I've never used it. I've never used it. No offense to Arby's, but you're busy. No, I love Arby's. I think Arby's, it hasn't changed in years. And that's a good thing. They do have the meats. But I just, I imagined there'd be a line behind me and just what you said. And the guy brings all the stuff. And I'm like, well, I got this thing. And then he's like, okay, well, there's some paperwork. Yes. Right? Yes. And then I'm like filling stuff out. People are recognizing me. TMZ's shooting it. Right, and they're like, uh. And then he's like, what, uh, so that's two shakes, three roast beefs.

1:01:19Like in bananas. Yeah, exactly. Who had the, uh, yeah. Yeah, so I've never used it, but I saved it. And I don't know, I just had it all these years. Just hang on to it. It survived the carnage. You know where that needs to go? The trunk of your car. There it is, right next to the BPX 4563. I've got something you need to see. A gun? No. You can take the honest road to free Arby's or the dishonest road. We can play this two ways. I rob you of these corned beef sandwiches or I get them for free. Either way, I'm leaving here. Either way, I'm leaving here with the meat. Charlie Sheen, this is what I'll say.

1:01:55This is one of my favorite sessions. I mean, it's up there in the Pantheon. You always, since I first met you, a delight to talk to a really funny person thank you likewise you have been very honest about your struggles and the craziness and you know i went downstairs and you got here and i just i told you we hugged and i said i'm really glad you're still here wow thank you because um we lose all these people we lose these beautiful people we lose these really funny wonderful and people we lose with so many people. Sure. And I'm just very grateful that you're just still with us. Thank you. Thank you.

1:02:37And go with God. What the hell was that? I don't know. You're very religious today. It was powerful. We'll change it. Go with Satan. Satan. There you go. Go with Satan. I already went with Satan. I already went with Satan. Satan's like, enough with him. He wouldn't, he moved in and wouldn't leave. Go with Arby's. Go with Arby's. Charlie, seriously, thank you so much for being here. Thank you. This was great. It's an honor. Conan O 'Brien Needs a Friend. With Conan O 'Brien, Sonam of Sessian, and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Nick Leow.

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