Cover Your Hole

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1:17Conan O 'Brien needs a fan. Want to talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com slash call Conan. Okay, let's get started. Hey, Philip. Welcome to Conan O 'Brien Needs a Fan. Hey, you guys. Hey, Philip. How are you? I'm doing well. How are you? I'm just going to comment right away, and I encourage our listeners to watch the video. You've got one of the most neatly curated beards I've seen in my life. I mean, it's incredible. I feel like you had a jeweler come in and maintain your beard. Yes. Impressive. Yes. Very impressive. um philip uh tell us a little bit about yourself where do you live where are you coming to us from right now so i live uh in the williamsburg virginia area so colonial williamsburg if you ever been here right right in that area the eastern eastern virginia so yeah this is live at and tell us about yourself what okay what makes you tick philip all right well i am uh i grew up in this area.

2:16So I've always been a huge fan of history. Yep. So love history. I live here. I'm married to my wife, Karen. She's a high school math teacher. I have two teenage boys. We love being outside, whether it's in the woods, hiking, boating, whatever it may be. So that's kind of our world. Okay. I feel like this is a dating app now. And I like. Do you swipe right if you're interested or left? Right, right? Right. You swipe right. If you're really interested, you swipe up for a super swipe. Get out. Yeah, that's right. I just swiped you up, Philip. Yeah. Super swipe. Because you like history, which I love.

2:56Now, I see in my notes here, it says you're a relic hunter. I don't really know much about that. What do you do? So it's a hobby. So relic hunting, it's kind of like using a metal detector to go out and find old things. You go out looking for, well, I guess if you're in Williamsburg, Virginia, you've got lots of stuff. I mean, mostly there's probably Civil War stuff and there's probably also Revolutionary War. What else? Absolutely. I mean, that sounds like you had hit pay dirt. Go ahead. Yeah, so growing up in this area, it was sort of all around me. I live right between Jamestown, Colonial Williamsburg, Yorktown, Cold Harbor, all the battles outside of Richmond area.

3:37So I kind of grew up right at the epicenter of that sort of history. And so what are you finding when you got your metal detector? what are the things you're pulling out of the ground that are exciting to you? Also, we find bullets, Civil War bullets, American Revolutionary bullets. We find buckles, sometimes old cannonballs and artillery shells and buttons and coins and all sorts of things. What's one of the coolest things you ever found? Like you pulled it out of the ground and you thought, this is awesome. One of the coolest things I found was a posy ring. It's called a colonial posy ring is the name of it.

4:14It's a gold ring that they would have, a young man would have shared with a young woman back in colonial times. And when I first found it, I thought it was just simply just, I'm not sure what it was. And then when I got home and cleaned it up, I realized what it was. And inside of it, it has some old Gothic script. I think it says, I choose thee. I actually have some stuff over here. I have it here. That is so cool. That's amazing. I don't know how well you can see that. And now I swiped up and now you're proposing to me. That's right. That's how things happen on this. This is one fast app. That is so cool and poignant and sad and sweet at the same time, you know?

4:59Yeah. Well, I mean, I found it in a field. And so oftentimes, you know, people got married much younger during those times than they do today. And so it was much smaller and probably as she got older, she would wear it as a necklace or a charm. And it fell off at some point and laid there for probably 200 years until one day I dug it out of the ground. Right. And does her ghost haunt you now? No, no. That's what I would worry about when I pull something out of the ground is eventually the ghost or zombie would come looking for it. Zombie. and it says here you once found a live grenade yeah so you find all sorts of things the grenade say i choose thee no it did not fortunately um the one thing i would say there's a sort of a you're so proud of yourself yes yes sorry so proud whatever it's what i do it's what i do nice uh nice ceiling there michelangelo uh that's what i do um that's what i do um sorry so what happens when you find a live grenade don't you have to call the police uh yes you do um when you're digging you find all sorts of stuff and one of the things i would say is most of the stuff you find when you go hunting or relic hunting is trash you find shotgun shells and beer cans and more beer cans and anything metal you can think of that's been in the ground for a long time.

6:25So you don't, you don't, most of what you find is not worth keeping. It's not civil war or American revolution, but this particular day I, I dug a hole and pulled out of the ground. I wasn't sure what it was at first and realized quickly we live. If you know anything about the Hampton Roads area, that's a lot of military bases that have been in this area for, for a very long time and realized pretty quickly what it was and moved it. I don't know. I sort of I got told I shouldn't have done this later. I picked it up and moved it to a tree line and stuck it next to a tree. I don't know why I did that.

6:58You started juggling it. Kicking it like a hacky sack. You kicked it like a hacky sack for 20 minutes. Yes. While you were listening to a Phish album. There you go. You okay there, Sona? I'm laughing pretty hard. Sona, when you laugh, don't move away from the mic. Get those laughs right in there. I work hard for those. For the record. Okay, for the record, let me just say it. Sona has the best laugh. She does have the best laugh. She has the best. But Philip, you know what drives me? Philip, this drives me crazy. Wait, let him continue. What I'm saying is I'll say something. She'll laugh real hard and she does this.

7:32She fades away from the mic. And I'm like, those are my laughs. Give me my milk, mama. You're hearing, wow. What was that? That's sweet milk to me. You hear them. You want other people to know I'm laughing at you. That's what that is. With me. With me, not at me. Anyway, Philip, we got off on this sidetrack thing. No, I was talking about Sona's laugh. Yeah, let's continue with that. Let's get off the Civil War stuff. Let me just say, okay, I know. I could hear you, Sona, before they called me in the room and they told you guys it was a Civil War relic hunter and you were like, oh, I knew that was going to happen with you.

8:09But that's okay. Because I wanted to, no, but my goal was that she would laugh at some point. Because you guys, real quick, we're going to get off the relic hunting stuff for a moment. I listen to you guys all the time in the car on the XM radio. So I listen to you guys. There you go. A little plug for XM. I listen to you guys. So you guys are the voices in my car. And so we've talked about Sona has the best laugh. You know what? I will agree. You have the best laugh, Sona. You've always had the best laugh. And I considered you one of the treasures I pulled out of the ground. Does that work as a compliment?

8:42It was so close. It was almost close. When I met you, you were dirty. Yes, I get it. You know that, right? Well, you tell people I jumped out of a bush like a feral. No, but you had soil on. Yeah. Maybe the first year of me knowing you was me brushing you clean. Oh, that's so sweet. Thank you so much. Thanks for making me human. But she had a great laugh. I was the live grenade you picked out of her. You were, in a way. But wait, back to the grenade, Phillip. What vintage is the grenade? Is it? It's not a, don't tell me it's a war. Oh, good. Okay. Korean War air grenade is what I found out later.

9:16and so again set it next to this tree knew I'd spent over 20 years in the fire department these sort of things happen in this area again because of all the military bases so I knew what needed to be done so I called it in there's a lot of the military base nearby us sent their their bomb technicians over who examined it and quickly determined that it was a live grenade and that it was actually the pin had been pulled out of it and thrown but i guess somehow it hit just right it never exploded and i moved it with a shovel uh and so the guys were not they were like you moved that you should never move that uh and but what was really cool i mean these guys got out of the truck they look like they were extras in a military movie i mean tall the mustache the whole deal and they go over and they basically put a thing of C4 and sandbags around it.

10:11And I have a video of it. They blew it up? They did fire in the hole, fire in the hole, fire in the hole, fire in the hole and blew it up. And I asked him where the little wire was that went from the C4 to the little like explosive thing. And he goes, no, we do that all by Bluetooth now. And so they blew it up with their phone. Oh my God, that's not that cool. No, but no, it is cool. It sounds dangerous to me. Like I'm there setting up my C4 and I'm packing it around the object I wanna blow up when someone near me accesses a song on Bluetooth. And half my face gets blown off because they wanted to listen to...

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15:38Can you imagine having that job where your job is to blow things up? Yeah. You know, you have C4 and you have a van and you get to drive around and okay, I got to go blow something else up in a field. Yeah. What a great job. Is it great? I think it'd be fantastic. Oh, I didn't know if you were going to say great or terrifying. No, I love that. You get, first of all, your time's your own. You get to drive around. It's probably a company car. You get C4 that you don't have to pay for. That's why you like it? I don't know, I just like it. You just want a company car? Kinda. It's just gonna be fun.

16:09And then you get to see stuff blow up, which would be fun. Yeah, I don't think that ever gets old. How do you do, because, how do you even know where to look? How do you do, I imagine there's some kind of research involved in finding out what's a good place to try and find relics, what will be fruitful, because you can't just wander around a big state like Virginia hoping that the thing that sets off your metal detector is a Civil War heirloom. You have to do some research, I would think, right? Yeah, that's over half of it, is just spending the time to study. It's really dorky, but it's a ton of fun.

16:44But just look at old maps in history, and the Library of Congress has maps that you can access online, so you're looking at those, and then figuring out where you can go, but then getting permission to go to those places. Obviously, you can't go to any national parks or state parks or anything like that. So it's finding private property, farmers, people that own land that you ask permission, can I come on your property and dig holes? And can I search for relics, for old things that might be on your property? And a lot of times they'll say no, and sometimes they'll say yeah. Okay. And do they have a deal?

17:21Like if you find something valuable, they get to, they want to keep it? Sometimes it sort of depends. Some of them, most of them actually don't really care. You know, what I've run into is they just kind of go, I don't really care. I'm not, you know, that's your thing. It's not my thing. So whatever you find, there's others who have said, Hey, I'd really like to see what you find. And then there's others you can maybe work a deal with and go, Hey, let's split whatever, whatever it is we find. I'm intrigued. There's part of me that would want to go around and fool guys like you. like drop things in the ground.

17:53Do you know what I mean? Go out and buy, you know, go and buy like what looks like a knight's helmet and then drop it in a hole. Just hide and watch them? And then hide in a bush and watch you guys come by and think that you've found, oh my God, King Arthur's Court, they hung out here in Williamsburg, Virginia. I know that's a bad thing I'm admitting to, but. No, there's people that do that. No, really? That's not cool. No, there's a guy. No, there's a guy here locally who has been known for decades as one of the best replica makers of Civil War buckles and things like that. Right. And if he made one that wasn't quite perfect, he was known to go in the Cold Harbor area and bury it and hide it.

18:34What a dick. And people would find it and lose their minds and be excited. I love this. Such a good move. You like this guy. I love this guy. Yeah, you would. Hey, can this guy contact me? I will fund your operation. Yes. Yes. You know, I would be drawing up like a fake Gettysburg address and then dropping it in a hole. You know, stuff like that. A fake Lincoln's beard. And a note that says, if you find my beard, contact A. Lincoln, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Just, I would want to see people freak out. 1600? Was he? He didn't live in the White House. Did he live in the White House? Lincoln? Yeah.

19:11Yeah, the White House was there. Who is the first person to live in the White House? Good question. Thomas Jefferson. Oh, okay. I didn't know that. Sona, there's a Lincoln bedroom. It's like the most famous room in the White House. I knew that. I just thought it was, I'm sorry. I wasn't sure who the first president was. You thought he lived in a split-level condo in Reseda, California. Yeah, I saw him at the hot tub the other day. The communal hot tub. Sorry. Yeah. Bubble, bubble, bubble, bubble. See, I asked questions. I'm curious. Yeah. This is, I mean, this is fascinating to me. I just, because whenever you examine something, you find out that it's a whole ecosystem.

19:49There are probably really good, you know, artifact hunters, but they're also probably ones that give you guys a bad name. Do you know what I mean? That break some of the rules I imagine. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's like any other, you just got mad behind that. Yeah. You got mad. Yeah. So much behind that. Well, no names. Don't name names. No. I mean, Just like any other niche or subculture, there's etiquette, and there are people that hold to that etiquette and do it respectfully, and there's others that just simply don't. What is the etiquette of treasure hunting like this? Well, one of the things would be just if you dig holes, you cover holes.

20:31And you'd be just surprised how many people will dig holes in somebody's yard and just leave them, which if they have animals like horses and livestock, they could step in it and get hurt. Yeah, terrible. What? Yeah. That didn't feel sincere. No, I meant that's bad. That's bad. Do not feel sincere at all. No, my rule, if, man, my rule number one is cover your hole. You know, I've always, I've said that since day one. And when I meet a guy that doesn't cover his hole, I'm out. I'm like, cover that hole, dude. Cover the hole. What's wrong with you? And then every now and then. Etiquette. Yeah. I say that all the time in my regular life.

21:03And I'm rare, guess what? I'm rarely outside when I say it. Hey dude, cover your hole. I'll cover my hole, you cover your hole. I've heard it on the podcast before. I don't like it when someone covers my hole. That's where I draw the line. Come on. Don't cover my hole. If I said you can't cover my hole, don't cover my hole. I took us into the cover. You cover my hole, I'll cover your hole. How much more do you think I can go on this? I don't know, but it needs to stop. I don't think it does. I think it needs to go more. I think it's just stopped. Oh my God. Oh my God. Never heard you say hole so many times.

21:37Well, I'm just saying, cover your hole. That is the rule. That is the rule. Yeah, that is the rule. Guess what? Guess what? Phillip, people here are laughing and acting like it's a joke, but it is the rule. And it's a simple rule to live by. Cover your fucking hole. It's very serious. You know what I mean? Or I'll come over there and cover it for you. You know what I'm saying? I've got a hole cover in my pocket. It's a little brass plate.

22:04So you cover the hole. I love that you just said so. My favorite thing about this whole interview is Philip finally going, so. And you think you're going to get away from the topic, and then you said, you got to cover your hole. So you brought us right back. Can we also talk about what else he does, which is he's also a preacher?

22:27I spent over 20 years in a fire station. There is little of these years have not heard. You got to cover your soul. You got to cover your soul. And if you don't cover your soul, I'll come and get a preacher to cover your soul. So you live by two rules, cover your hole and cover your soul. These are the rules that Phillip lives by. And then he was a fire chief. Yeah. Listen, we'll get to that. We've got a lot to get, you know, we've got a lot to cover here. It's just, yeah, we really do. Preacher. So I hope I didn't offend you with my cover your hole run, but I think it can be taken many different ways.

23:05And so I'm not worried about it. And what is your religious denominational acceleration? Non-denominational. Non-denominational. Got it. Very good. You accept all kinds. All kinds. I'd be welcome as a Catholic. You'd be welcome. Okay. Absolutely. I like that. I like it. Very accepting. Absolutely. And how long have you been preaching for? 12 years. Oh, wow. I think it is 13 years, something like that. And before that, you were a firefighter. I was bivocational for a while. I worked in the fire service and I worked at a church simultaneously and did that for a period of time. And then as the church grew, it was a church plant.

23:48So it started from scratch. And as things grew, then I was full time here as the preacher. You seem like you'd be a good preacher. You seem like you're very someone that would be very understanding, accepting, a cool guy, good sense of humor. I think you'd be very good at that. I hope so. I will tell you this. I grew up and my dad did not go to church very often. And one of his biggest things was he was like, he'd meet preachers and he would go, that preacher doesn't know anything about real life. He doesn't know anything about me. He doesn't understand anything because they live in his little world.