Jack Black Returns

24:39You auditioned. Andy's a sidekick. And you auditioned to replace him. And it was so fantastic. It was so funny. And you did so many great bits. We did one bit that captured people's imagination. There was once you and I decided, who's the greater guitar god? And so we start playing guitar opposite each other. And then we're standing in front of a performance area in a curtain. And you're playing, and then I'm playing, and then you're playing, and I'm playing. And then my playing starts to get off the hook amazing. and then you get suspicious and you pull the curtain away and Slash is there. Yeah.

25:18And he's making the guitar sounds for me and it killed so hard. It was such an amazing surprise. I believe that was your idea you came in with and I was just like, that's a fantastic idea and all we have to do is get Slash. And then we did. Turns out he was in the commissary. I think so. Warner Brothers eating. Maybe Smiley had something to do with that idea. I don't know who gets credit. That's not important. Who gets the credit? Right. It was Tavis Smiley. But it was such a good idea that here we are 10 years later. There's still people doing that same joke. They got that from us. Yeah. I just saw it like a week ago.

25:54I was like, oh, you got Slash hiding behind the curtain. I wonder where you got that idea. But, you know, anyways. The important thing is we create vibrations. We pick up on vibrations and we pass them on and we receive them. And then we sue the shit out of people. That's right. Left and right. And that was the funniest thing when I was on the farewell show and I actually injured my ankle. Yes. You came backstage after we were done. Let me just set it up. We were going to do this thing where you panic and you run away. And it was going to be that the running away part. I'm running outside was going to be a pre-tape.

26:30Rehearsing it, rehearsing it, rehearsing it. Let's get another take. Let's get another take. Let me interrupt your retelling of the story because what it actually, what the comedy bit was, I was coming out to perform the farewell song. Yep. And then in the middle of me singing this farewell song, I get so energetic and dancing, I injure myself. Yes. Fake injure yourself. Fake injure myself. And then the medics come in, the paramedics carry me out, and then I say, no, he needs me. This is too important. And you kick open the back of the ambulance and come running back into the theater. And I come running.

27:06That's it. And as we were doing the pre-tape of me kicking open the doors and running back in the theater, I injured my ankle for real. For real, yes. And of course, I come running out, you're on the ground, it's my final late night show. And sometimes I look to a camera that's not there and do a take. Like, it's just, you know, you know that classic, something goes crazily wrong and the person just shoots the camera and looks into it. where's my camera right now right there it just goes really and i looked at a camera that wasn't there and as you're writhing in pain i should have been looking after you but uh but i just thought it's my last show jack blacks we got this great idea and now you're injured but uh and i thought well this isn't going to happen now but and it was it was a real injury yes snap crackle pop i heard it all yeah and then they you like a hero you got taped up you got booted up i went to the actual like special ankle specialist who taped me up and put me in a cast and said, yeah, you're going to be out of commission for a long time.

28:12You're not going to be getting out of this cast for we don't know how long. It takes a long time for this kind of sprain. It wasn't a regular sprain. It was like where the not the tendons, but the other things. I can't remember what the things are that were torn. And he's and I said, yeah, but can I sing? Can I? And he's like, yeah, of course you can sing. I was like, okay, I'm going to go on Conan tomorrow then and do my bit. And it'll be very dramatic. I'll be a real hero. Yeah. When I come out there with my cast on my foot. Was he like, Conan? Fuck, I love that guy. Fuck! I'm taking this cast off.

28:47Conan's the GOAT! Did he do that at all? Something like that. I think it was like, oh yeah, Conan O 'Brien. I know that. I know him. That'll be great. Hey, pretty much the same thing. Yeah. Pretty much the same thing. But he did say no dancing and jumping around, though. Let's just keep it, you know. But you came on. You did it. You killed it. It meant the world to me. And what I just realized today, someone reminded me. And I was like, oh, my God. I did a big 10th anniversary show. So we started in 93. This would have been 2003. We did a 10th anniversary show. It was a huge deal. And, like, all my heroes came out for it.

29:23It was great. We did it, I think, at the Beacon Theater. you did a song about the story of Conan telling my story from the beginning in 93. And it was operatic, the highs, the lows, and I'm sure it's out there and you can watch it somewhere. And it's worth looking at because it's one of the greatest things I've ever seen because, you know, you'd, you'd, you'd go through the initial beginning and, and the whole, and then the hard times, and then everything's really going great. And then, but then Andy Richter left. And he got, and it was just, I mean, I was watching and I was like, why isn't this guy getting a Tony for this?

30:03Okay, we're not a Broadway show, but so many times you came in and I'm not going to say hit a home run. It's like, it's like the natural. You hit a home run, it hit the lights, the lights exploded. Then it set off the Oppenheimer explosion. There's nothing I can do to, I can never thank you for all the nice things you've done for me. Do you know what? That's a no-brainer, though. How am I not going to come out for the 10th anniversary? But in my mind, before that 10th anniversary, I'm thinking, this is going to be a bomb. This is not going to go well. I will be bad. And I just surrender myself to that.

30:38And I go in with a fight or flight kind of adrenaline. That's how it is every time. I go in going, oh, fuck. This is terrifying. And then I get out there and it goes, not always. sometimes it goes great and I feel like, ah, I've got it. I'll never forget this feeling. And then, you know, a week later I have to go do another thing. I'm terrified again. No, I do this about everything. There's just a lot of misery involved, but then if you can catch the wave, right, you have this great revelation, this nice moment. And then you're right back. I mean, it lasts, I can't believe it lasts for like, you know, it's like those Viagra ads.

31:14If it lasts longer than six hours, you're in trouble. This just doesn't last. It goes. And I am fooled because I think, okay, I know that happens to me. But I would guess it would. I know I'm wrong, but I would have said wouldn't happen to Jack Black. Absolutely happens to me. Because I don't see you ever failing. I just don't see it. In fact, I feel my most confident, weirdly, after a bad performance or something that I didn't have fun at. And I think in my mind, the next time I get up in front of a camera or on stage, I'm going to make up for that shitty one I just did. I don't know why that's always where I feel most comfortable in like the defensive crouch right after a bad one.

31:57When it's like, OK, this is the redemption. So I have that up and down of performance. And that goes that goes across the board. But I wanted to say what I forgot that I should have said on the farewell episode that you had me come and guest on is that the very first time you had me on 20 years before, I had this amazing experience on national television with you and your embrace of my adventurous spirit and your adventurous spirit was such a great way to kick off my journey. and then I looked over at other comedians and other performers and actors that had had the same experience. Like, that's the first time I saw Amy Poehler when she came on your show as like the little sister, Andy Richter's little sister with those braces on.

32:48I was like, who the fuck is that? This is some kind of a crazy performance from someone that's just getting shot out of a cannon. I've never seen her before. And I know that you've done that for tons of performers and comedians over the decades. And I just thought, what an amazing person you are to be at the threshold of the industry in a way for all these new, you know, young alternative. That's, I mean, very sweet. I always think that we were very lucky in the timing. We were in the right place. And there was all this young talent coming up. And I get giddy around talented people. We just had so much fun.

33:29and it's nice all these years later, just judging by your beard that you're, I think you're 88. I didn't have a very old looking beard. There's more salt than pepper, as they say. And I, you know, served our country valiantly in the Korean War and have the shrapnel to show for it. But all this time later, I'm still having fun. Like it's, you come in and we're just right back to the same idiocy, which is so magical. It is the secret sauce. But the secret behind the secret sauce is how do you have fun under the circumstances of pressure? Like now we're on them. There's a microphone here. It's recording everything we see.

34:10There's a certain amount of pressure there. You know, people are going to be listening to it and watching it later. And finding that relaxation pocket because you can't really have fun if you're not relaxed on some level. Well, I learned a long time ago with the TV show and with this, you got it. That just has to go away. I think one of the things that helps so much with the podcast is after all this time and everything I've been through, the podcast just felt like and still feels like a safe space where I'm just having fun with my friends. It doesn't feel like, hey, man, this is, come on. Okay, let's go.

34:45Come on. Here comes Jack's coming in. We've got, I mean. Because we don't even put these out. I don't trust you. Nor should you. And they hire actors occasionally on the street. I just got back from Europe and so many people were like, I love the podcast. And I was thinking, you're just hiring actors. And they get my name, Cronin, no. And tell Mitt and Sanya that they do a great job. Get the names right at least. if you're, but. Do you agree with my relaxation theory? Yes, I agree with your theory that. You just, so you're saying the secret behind the secret is just let that shit go. You have to.

35:27The nervousness? No, no, no. The nervousness is beforehand. Right. I think all of that, I believe in that. I believe in, sadly, I believe in the terror. I believe in the process of questioning yourself, of some self-loathing. I'm sorry, but I just believe in it. It's worked for me. And also, it doesn't matter if it's worked for me or not. It's just what happens. But then if I get out there and I connect with the crowd or we get in here and we start talking some shit about anything, all of that goes away. You know what I think about sometimes when I have a bad show that I'm not having? And it doesn't necessarily mean it's bad.

36:06It just means that I'm not having fun. You didn't feel good. So I think if I didn't have fun, then it wasn't good, which isn't necessarily the truth. But after a show where I'm not having fun and I feel like it went bad, I'll go, OK, this is my adjustment. That very next show, when I go out there, I'm not going to care so much if it's good or bad, because that's the thing that fucked me up is I was so worried about it being bad that I didn't just let it be. So that's oftentimes my mental adjustment is like kind of throw it away a little bit. Yeah. Kind of phone it in a little bit. Weirdly. I liked how you looked side to side.

36:40It's such a horrible thing to say, phone it in. But it was such a cartoonish side to side. You look like she was talking about you're in trouble. He also looked right at me and I phone it in all the time. You phone it in. She built a career. I have so much phone it in. And you know what? I've been to her house and it's paid for by phoning it in. Yeah. The house is all phones. There's cell phones on every wall. I felt like you were talking directly to me because that is my approach. No, no, no. And you know what's so funny? we had, I'll never forget, but one of the magical things about Sona is that she doesn't change no matter how the circumstances change.

37:17So Sona met her, hired her to be my assistant. There was never any intention for any of this. Years go by, we have this dynamic, this interplay, you know, me, really hardworking, very capable, trying hard to - Delusional. Delusional. Sona not giving a shit. And it always just worked. You know, this is weird. So then once Kumail Nanjiani, who was going to be on the show, who I love, it wasn't his fault. He wasn't able to get to the show because they changed his shooting schedule and he couldn't come. And we heard at the last second, someone said, what are we going to do? What are we going to do?

37:55I said, we're just going to bring Sona out. We brought Sona out. Sona was great. But what made her great is she didn't care. And you take any other person and say, big star didn't come, but you're going to do it. and they get in their head and they become someone else. There's that famous concept in science that the minute you observe anything, it changes it. The minute you try and observe a particle, the minute you try and observe anything in nature. Quantum weirdness. Yes. I love that. You change it by the very fact that you're observing it. Schrodinger's cat. I can just make that up. Quantum weirdness.

38:30It's true. But you know what? But you know what? No, it's true. It's a real thing. But there's one exception that proves every rule. It doesn't happen to Sona. And we go out and we do these shows now that the podcast has become a thing in front of like, you know, there'll be 3 ,000 people in the crowd or 2 ,500 people in the crowd and it's sold out. It's a big venue and Sona's like, hey, what's going on? And then what's the greatest thing is, so she'll do it and then it's over and the rest of us are like, I think that was a really good show. And she's like, I'm hungry. I'm going to Taco Bell. Oh, look, a cookie.

39:02Taco Bell? Can we go to Taco Bell? But anyway, I heard something. I don't know if it's true, but you and I may have something. We have a bunch of things in common, but we have one thing in common, I believe, which is we both were stupid enough to get on a water buffalo. Is that true? Oh, my God. Yeah. On Tropic Thunder. On Tropic Thunder. And I once for an animal segment, and I've told people this, but I jumped onto a water buffalo and it was without thinking. but they had animals there and then they brought in a massive, I mean, literally the size of this table that we're at right now, this podcast table, this massive beast and someone who wasn't in a position of authority said, hey, Coney, this is at rehearsal.

39:46Get on it. That could be funny. And I'm just a chimp. I'm a yes and chimp. So I went, okay. And someone brought out an Apple box and I jumped on the Apple box and no one had, and all I remember is just before I did it, Andy said, don't do that. I remembered Andy really clearly going, don't do that. And he said it and I was like, you know, gotta do it. Because an intern said, try it. So I get on the water buffalo, the water buffalo immediately throws me off. I go up in the air and I land on a poured, you know, cameras have to roll in a TV studio. So it's a poured thick concrete that's smooth. It's very dense.

40:27I bounce off my hip. and that wasn't even the scary part. It hurt like a motherfucker, but the water buffalo took off. I felt bad for the water buffalo right up until I killed it. No, I'm kidding. Well, I had to shoot it. No, it took off and took a turn and looked at me and I ran like a cartoon character run. Like literally I just disappeared and there was smoke and some hairpins. And then I got a hematoma on my hip that was so big I couldn't take my pants off. And they called the Warner Brothers doctor who came in and went, that's the biggest hematoma I've ever seen. And I had this look like my leg was dipped in paint for a while.

41:13And I thought, well, I think I'm probably the only person in comedy dumb enough to get on a water buffalo. And then I find out Tropic Thunder. Yeah. Did you end up doing it? Very similar circumstance. But I have to ask, I wasn't listening to the premise. Why was there a water buffalo on the set? Animal segment. We did them all the time. It's a talk show staple. So they bring in, like, here's a cobra. Here's this. Here's that. And no one had ever brought in a water buffalo. And this is just rehearsal. This is rehearsal. Cameras are not rolling. No. And so they brought this thing in. And they, I just was intrigued.

41:48Like, well, I've been doing this for 28 years. Never seen a water buffalo. Get on it! I feel like there is footage of this. Someone was taping. No? No one? Are you sure? I think we might have had - There was a camera there. It's a camera rehearsal. Yeah, there's a camera, but you know what the problem is? I think we've looked at the footage, and you can't really tell what's happening. You can just see the very beginning as you're getting on it. You can see as I'm getting on it, and then because they weren't ready to shoot it yet, so they weren't on me. You can kind of see. it's like if Abraham Zapruder had been shooting in Dealey Plaza had been looking at a bird or something when Kennedy went by.

42:25And then you can kind of see a little piece of limousine. But the fact that there's footage of you just about to get on makes me feel like the cameraman maybe sensed this could go bad. I better not film this just in case this goes sideways. Which the instinct should have been the opposite. This could go bad. I'm going to keep rolling on that. You know what I mean? Right. I don't know what happened there. I think it's a humanity thing where the cameraman is like I have to look away from this. I'm turning it off. No one's going to see that. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't mind if it existed because I think I really bounced.

42:55This was in the era of America's Funniest Home Videos. Yeah, they could have put a boing-oing-oing-oing on it, but before TikTok. So, you know, there's no money in keeping the camera. It's like, wait a second. Conan's about to get on a water buffalo and you turn it off. So what was your experience? So I had a similar experience. We're on - This is like a campfire story. We're in Hawaii. We're recreating Southeast Asia. We're supposed to be in Vietnam out in the middle of nowhere. And in the middle of Hawaii, you wouldn't know. It's got a jungly vibe. Yeah, it does. Yeah. And so I'm on the back of this water buffalo.

43:28They assure me that it's safe. And they've got the animal trainers on these movies. You had an animal trainer there. You have to. It's part of the union rules. Sure, we did. And I'm afraid of dogs. I'm afraid of animals because it's my natural fear of the unpredictability of the animal kingdom. You don't know what they're going to do, but I had been assured everything's cool. So I got on the back of it and I'm supposed to come around the bend on this mountain path. And I'm just in my underpants. And I think I'm strapped to the buffalo because I'm like going through drug withdrawals at the same time.

44:06So I'm a sweaty mess. And the buffalo, I can tell, is just a little bit uncomfortable. And they say, action. And we start moving. And I'm like, uh-oh, what's happening here? Maybe it sensed my fear, but it was uncomfortable. And it just started bucking bronco. And I was like, ah! And I flew off of that thing. And I went ass over tea kettle, I think because there's no footage of it, just like you. But we hadn't entered frame yet. We were right behind the mountain. We were coming around and I flew and did a little flipty do and landed miraculously between two boulders and did not get injured at all.

44:45I did not have a hematoma. I just sort of had this miraculous safe landing. And Ben was I could hear him off in the distance. Say, what's going on? Are we cutting? Let's take it. Jack, take it from the top. We didn't get any of it. I'm like, no, you take it from the top. You get on this fucking buffalo! Because I had so much adrenaline inside me. I thought I was good. I saw my life flash before my eyes. Yeah, of course. And then I stormed off to my trailer just because I was like shaking and like not in any mood to be in the movie anymore. Or any movie ever again. So my stuntman, Jimmy Waitman, hero that he is suited up and got on the back of the and they went ahead with the rest of those shots from that scene with my stuntman and also uh robert downey jr was like petting the soothing the beast and calming the beast and uh later on months later not months later like weeks later i don't remember how long ago how long after that event took place someone said jack you know what we found out that water buffalo was pregnant it would no one knew it had a baby inside and that's why it was freaking out because it was uncomfortable and i was like fuck me man there's got to be a way they should know that before they put me on the back of a gigantic power beast and then and then at the premiere someone was there that said you know what they named the baby named him jack I was like, that's the sweetest thing.

46:29God made it worth it. And I never... No, it didn't. You were almost killed. I would like to meet Jack. I wonder if Jack is a... Well, I've got a surprise for you. Let's bring him in. Open up that whole wall. What do you mean it doesn't open? I brought old Jack the Water Buffalo 8 ,000 miles. We got to fix it so this wall opens and we can bring people what they're talking about. God damn it, I hate this place.

47:05Hey, I want to make sure, because I knew when I talked to you, we would have such a great time. Chomp.

47:15I want to make sure that I mention this film that you've made, which looks like an absolute blast, Borderlands. Yeah. And you are, this is based on a video game. This is why I'm here, actually. Yeah. I'm here to talk about Borderlands. Yeah. Yeah. We're just trying to cut this part out. So it's based on a video game that I actually played several years ago. I think it was close to 20 years ago that I played the first time I played Borderlands. It's been around forever. And the thing that's cool, one of the things that's cool about it is that it looks like the characters and the world was pulled straight out of a comic book.

47:55Like you can see the line. And you don't see that in other, or you didn't back when they first made this video game, kind of a mind-blowing technique that they were using. And it's kind of like Road Warrior, where it looks like a post-apocalyptic desert landscape. And they got the really intense muscle-bound freaks. They call them the, what do they call them? The berserkers. and you've got this incredible bounty hunter or they call him, oh man, I am bad at explaining movies. It's why I tried not to get to it. I should have looked at a cheat sheet or something before I came in here. Let me help you out here.

48:33Tomb hunters. But you know what? So I'm watching it. We didn't get the, they didn't send us the whole film. There was some length that didn't work. That's their story anyway. But I was watching a bunch of footage from which they did supply. Yeah. Cate Blanchett. Yeah, the best. Is in this. Jamie Lee Curtis. The best. Kevin Hart. The best. They can't all be the best. They can all be the best in their lanes. Nice. Got it. Got it. And then I say, Conor O 'Brien. Silence. The best. The best. You know who does that? Sandler about everything. Oh, really? Adam Sandler. My Adam Sandler impression is I'll be talking to him and I'll be like, yeah, and then we're staying in the same hotel and I went, yeah, I tried the hot dog.

49:17The best. and then you know whatever i'll be like yeah and i don't know world war one was really terrible but world war two felt like it had like a at least an ethical reason for happening the best world war two this is the best i just love that i always do that when i'm around him the best anyway uh you have a this insane cast yeah and uh but i love you're the voice of this uh of this robot, Claptrap. Yeah. And it's a really it's it seems like a new take. How would you describe Claptrap? Because it's actually very funny. Well, he's a helper robot that's kind of like the R2D2 comic relief of the movie, but he's also got a bitter undertaste.

50:03Yes. Like he actually is an R rated tinge. He hates this mission. He hates this world. And he secretly hopes that everyone on this team dies. Other than that, just like R2-D2. But he's programmed to help, so he's helping. But yeah, under protest. And it was a blast to do, but I do have to admit, I never went to the set. I did my whole role in a recording studio before they started filming. And I had a great time doing that. You know I love the voice work. It is the best. The best! The best! and uh and I got so I did that and then a couple months later I knew they were all in Bulgaria just in the deep mire of these landscapes that are like hellish not that Bulgaria is hellish but they found the hellish parts good save I got a DM on my Instagram message service from Jamie Lee Curtis because we follow each other and she said where the fuck are you we're all here knee deep in the hell is shit and i find out you are in the see me you know wherever you are in doing your recordings on the recording studio and i said i love you and i am there in spirit and i will see you on the red car pay but yeah it's all love well it looks super funny i'm looking forward to it and uh and also So interesting.

51:35You've done a bunch of video game related movies, Super Mario Brothers movie Jumanji. I mean, this is a Minecraft, right? Yeah. And I know that you're no stranger to the world of video games. Video games. And, you know, my my son actually told me about your your experiences with Hideo Kojima. Oh, yeah. That was crazy. I was in Japan and Hideo Kojima. Why don't you jump in on this? Yeah, Kojima invited us to his studio. Kideo Kojima? Yeah, I think it's Kojima. Oh, finally. You listened to someone's pronunciation. And so we went to his studio, and it was still super Death Stranding, was super top secret, and they asked you to be in the game.

52:19And so you went in and got scanned. I was scanned, and I - It was wild. But also, there was a lot of - They would check the angle of what we were shooting, because they didn't want us to see even the people that were at their screens working on the game in the background. It was so much, it was like I was in, I was at the Manhattan Project while they were making the bomb and they were like, yeah, okay, we're gonna let you. The NDA was like a phone book. It was crazy. It was insane. But it was really such a cool experience. I love being an Easter egg and things because you never know who's gonna see it, who's gonna get to that level and suddenly Conan O 'Brien's ruining their adventure.

52:55And I think in the game, what's great about, in the game, if they talk to you and they follow your quest, they can get a special hat made out of raccoon skin that helps you swim faster. I mean, it's awesome. It's a cool role. That was my request. Okay. And Hideo Kojima. Yes. Also, you hear about him having collabs with some very big luminaries. Jordan Peele, you might have heard of, is in there. And you also hear him mixing it up with, who's the incredible filmmaker who did a splash of water, the feeling of water? Oh, Guillermo del Toro. Thank you. That's not the name of that movie either, by the way.

53:34But some incredible filmmakers. And you see that crossover happening, right, with Hideo Kojima and the film industry. And I'm always fascinated by where those two worlds meet. Well, you're in it. I mean, you are. There's a world of video games. And one of the things that makes sense to me is that there's such great storytelling. My son is a fan of very good video games. And so I will, through him, experience what amazing storytelling there is. And so it makes sense that there would be movies. Well, you see some of these games and they do come across super cinematic. Like, you know, I love me some Rockstar games, specifically Red Dead Redemption Part 2.

54:19And it's very much like a film, long form film. and then you see some TV shows and movies that, well, only one really that comes to mind is that Black Mirror, the movie, what's that called? Bandersnatch. Bandersnatch. Where it is a choose your own. Let's see the difference between the way Blay said it. Blay went, Bandersnatch. And then you went, yes, Bandersnatch. There's a reason this guy's the star. Bandersnatch. My stank filter. and it's a choose your own adventure and it's very much a video game and it's about video games and you can see between Red Dead Redemption 2 and Bandersnatch they're both kind of bridging the gap between those two forms and I feel like that's the direction we're moving in it feels like video games are kind of taking over that space and you can feel the movie industry kind of trembling under the you know the hooves of the apocalypse The concept.

55:22Who's the apocalypse? I know. I went off the rails. It's the seven horsemen of you. I guess you're right. Yeah. Well, I'm not going to let it go. But yeah, you don't know. Maybe the future of movies is you deciding which way you want to go in the movie. But in the meantime, these movies about video games. Would you chew and swallow, please? Before you make this very prescient point about where theater is going and movies. I mean, not all of them, but a lot of the movies based on video game stories are huge hits. And I think that's because of the audience, the young audience. Maybe you've noticed that the new generation of gamers worship you because of your...

56:06God, you're saying the nicest thing about me, but I have to wait while you masticate an old apple. My sons worship you. They love them some Conan. And I wonder if you feel that in the world out there where it's like this new generation. Oh, definitely, I'm shocked, and I often lecture them, you shouldn't know who I am. It's not just because of Kojima, but it's also because of this energy that you have. And I think it's the same thing that made the days when I first met you electric, is that this sense of adventure and this like thrown people out there out of a cannon. They can sense that vibe.

56:46No, it's Jesus. I don't know. I don't know what's going on, but it is very interesting that when I walk around or when people walk around with me, it's still in 1993, 15 and 16 year olds and 17 year olds like me. 2024. Yeah. People my age are like, aren't you dead? But you can feel, well, this is what I'm saying. You can feel the liquidity of the industry where it's like TV and movies. People aren't even really watching them so much anymore. Now it's Netflix is kind of and video games. It's you can feel the shift. And to me, it's about less about the delivery system. It's always been the delivery system.

57:27You have to almost assume is unimportant. It's what you just put your thing out there and there will be like now we're doing this. and probably, in fact, Adam could say, but more people probably experience a pure hit of me this way than they ever would have if I was still doing a late night show. I don't, that was not the plan, but just keep doing your thing and you'll find the delivery system. Does that make sense? I do. Yeah. And I also wonder even sometimes when I'm not 100 % confident about the material that I have, part of me is like, it almost doesn't matter what matters more is the energy behind the material like if you're coming in in that kind of loose yeah relaxed way and you deliver it with an energy i don't know where i'm going now no but and that can all make a difference but brian cranston was here and he said something really smart once he said uh i was talking about you know he's such an incredible actor and he said you know what a really great actor can get b material to a b plus a minus material to an a but they can't the script is so important yeah you know you that he said if you give me a a b minus script i'm not giving you the movie will not be an a plus or the performance will be it just can't be so you gotta okay then how come the funniest movie i ever saw was f's across the board did you ever check out the room for instance that's the classic but that's an example of that's just every now and then a meteor hits a tree the tree flies up and the tree explodes into pieces and all the pieces reassemble into a stradivarius violin it doesn't happen often but it does happen yeah said the guy who's pretty sure it's never happened but that's an example of sometimes there's a happening, but you can't make that the formula.

59:23That can't be the formula. That's true. All right, I got to wrap this up because all the air just left your body and I worry about you. We did good. And I ate almost this whole apple. Yeah, you really did. And you know what? And guess what? Guess what? It was free. It's a free apple. You saw a free apple and you got excited. I adore you I love you you've been a really funny positive part of my life and I was just to get to hang out with you and have this today it was just a joy so thank you so much I bow to you and let's never ever get on water buffaloes again ever alright peace out looking forward to the next time we cross paths let's not wait this many years next time.

1:00:16Let's get together. We'll do a social thing. How about I come in for no reason? Yeah! Where I got no movie to promote. Yeah! Next week. That's not how I roll. I never do that. Alright, peace out. Peace. Tupac. Conan O 'Brien needs a friend. With Conan O 'Brien, Sonam of Sessian and Matt Gourley. Produced by me, Matt Gourley. Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Nick Liao and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and Colin Anderson and Cody Fisher at Earwolf. Theme song by The White Stripes. Incidental music by Jimmy Vivino Take it away, Jimmy

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