Mike Birbiglia Returns Again

25:41Do you know what I mean? I'm, my kids have seen me be inept, clumsy. They've seen me make an ass of myself in different ways. They're continually shocked that I seem to have made something of myself in the world. But I don't think they've seen a lot of bad behavior for me. And I mean, and look, Matt, Sona, you guys have kids. I think that is 90 % is monkey see monkey do kids look at their parents and you talk about it in your special that you've you've you've kind of tried to just be nice good people yeah yeah I mean because yeah when I was a kid you know I I joke in special but it's true is that when I was a kid my dad was a doctor in his free time he got his law degree and I go that's how much he didn't want to be a dad.

26:37I was like, what can I do in these slots of time when I would be parenting? Yep. Yep. In fairness, we weren't great kids. We always wanted a dad. But he wanted another secondary degree. Our goals were in odds. But yeah, that was one of the things about being a kid is like my dad was very serious about his job. And then he would every now and then he would just shout. He's just very old school. And I feel like I've I've always grappled with that. I've always been like I've always thought if I'm ever a parent and I'm now a parent, I'm just never going to do that. Yep. I just and it wasn't just my dad.

27:15I mean, I'm in Massachusetts. I'm sure you saw this all the time. The parents were wild. wild. Well, I, I recognized, uh, this part too, which is my dad incredibly sweet. And, um, you know, when we, you know, we're kids, he had a temper and he would uncork sometimes. And, uh, it was, uh, you know, it, it, I think it was a kind of generational, like my dad, again, you talked in your special about, I, I, you said your dad didn't, um, uh, instead of, uh, being sent off to fight in Vietnam because he was in medicine, they sent him to Texas. Yeah. To be on a base. To be on a base. The exact same thing happened to my dad in the Korean War.

27:59Oh, no kidding. So he was sent to Texas and he didn't really do anything that had anything to do with the military. So when my dad passed, we read in the instructions that he had left that when he and my mom died, the instructions were like, you know, he wanted like the full military honors at the funeral, which he's entitled to. And so I gave the eulogy for my dad. My brother Luke gave the eulogy for my mom because it was a double funeral. And I said, first of all, let's get something straight because there's like a big flag on his coffin. And I just said, my dad was in the army the way Captain Crunch was in the Navy.

28:41And the thing, The reason I felt okay with that is I think that would have really made my dad laugh. And when my dad laughed, he grabbed his shoulders and, because there was so, you don't want to express too much. It's not just too much emotion, also joy. Everything's kind of bottled up in this Catholic way. Oh, yeah. And so he would uncork sometimes and get angry and frustrated. And I remember thinking, it's just generational. I'm sure he had witnessed that with his parents. I don't want my, I just don't ever want to be that dad. I didn't want to be angry dad. Me neither. So I think. So one time I said to my daughter, I go, so when I go, when my dad, she goes, one day I was emotional about something.

29:33Like I was like, I don't know if we should do that. And then my daughter goes, dad, why are you yelling? I go, oh, this isn't yelling. I know what yelling is. I go, just so you know, when I was a kid, my dad, you know, and I literally said to her, I'm going to shout right now. This isn't me shouting. I'm doing an impression of my dad. He would go, where are my goddamn keys? And she was like, oh, my God. And she was like, you know, she was like, he's not shouting like that now. And I'm like, you're stealing my jokes. That's straight out of the special. She's really got it. For my dad, in the famous lore in our...

30:11There's a special spoon that has a serrated edge for eating grapefruit. Oh, really? Yeah, it's a grapefruit spoon. You know, it has a little serrated edge. Oh, yeah, I think I know that one. And there was one in our house, and my dad liked to use it to eat his grapefruit in the morning. And one morning, he couldn't find his grapefruit spoon. And just listen to the guy narrate the explosion of the Hindenburg. It's a little similar. and so we just clock things and we clock things where we say like I love my dad my dad was an amazing person I'm gonna I'm I I'm gonna try to uh not do that part but it's interesting because it no matter what you do as a parent I feel like what I've discovered is it doesn't mean you're better as a parent than your parents were to you right you're just ultimately different because Because, you know, I was raised very Catholic, etc.

31:04And so, you know, we don't really do a lot of the Catholic stuff. And then we're in the Vatican. And my daughter's looking around and she goes, Dad, who's Jesus? And I was like, oh, wow. I have really overlooked a lot of major historical facts in my education. Even just for pop culture. No, really. She knows the Greek gods and the Roman gods. She knows the band, Jesus and Mary Chains.

31:33But I was like, oh, it's interesting because that is something that I sense going to the Pope. I have started telling her more about what Jesus taught. Yes. Which I think is generally net positive with some caveats.

31:51I think we can all agree that the core, not just of Christianity, but the core teachings of many religions, they have this commonality, this beautiful, all in their own different way. But the core tenets of many religions are fantastic. Absolutely. Just about treating how you should treat other people, humility. And then we, of course, over the centuries have added all of this glop to it. And it's turned into mega churches and virtue signaling and insanity. But if you just go to the basic tenets, they're very beautiful. Yes. And Pope Francis seemed to embody a lot of the best aspects of Christianity and Catholicism.

32:41I remember, and this is a funny thing to seize on, but he was a very humble man, Pope Francis. And when he came into the room, I don't know if you noticed this, did you notice his shoes? He was wearing like worn kind of walking earth shoe, like Mephisto kind of. Oh, yeah. They were just very, they were shoes that you would pick up at a very inexpensive store. Like a Florsham or something? Yeah, something like that. They were just very basic, kind of worn shoes that a guy would wear on a bus or the guy who's driving the bus. And I remembered thinking there was no sense of the pomp and the gold and the rings.

33:20And I thought that was impressive. Yeah. I mean, he had that one ring, the papal ring. and he won that NBA championship for the Mavs yes Mavericks well I said I made the mistake of saying Mavericks and he said who says Mavericks they call it the Mavs remember that oh yeah he said meatball we beat the Nuggets in the finals they went into overtime now I'm doing New York New York what's happening New York Pope I'm gonna what we're gonna do is edit out all of my stuff where the Pope is speaking in an offensive Italian and just keep yours in. And then we're going to post-tape me saying things like, please stop, Mike.

34:00Please. The man is gone. Yeah. I want to know about these notes. Okay. I need to know what the notes are doing. I told him, the two people I've seen in my career who had the most notes when they came out were Gary Shandling and Joan Rivers. Joan Rivers had a lot of notes. And I recently ran into Melissa Rivers and I said, I remembered your mom and every time she came on my show, she was backstage with tons of, and she filled in for me notes. Notes. She said, Mom, I literally believed in preparing. So you have brought your notes with you. Well, I just had a couple questions for you guys. Okay. Because I talk about it in the special.

34:39Did you guys have a sex talk growing up? No. I did not, no. I did. Ugh. But I gave it to my dad. What was it? I want to get me some sex is what you said. Dad, you're going to want to be with a woman. No, he just gave me the most uncomfortable right before dropping me off to high school. Like, okay, you're going to want to try drugs and have sex and just be safe and don't overdo either of them. Have a great day. That's not bad advice. No, it was really good. And for that reason, I didn't do either for a long time. And I've been accused of overdoing sex. I don't know what that means.

35:21you overdid it what? I didn't have a sex talk growing up but when I was probably around 20 I was living with my girlfriend for a summer and then my dad and she had the talk with you we're gonna do something soon it's gonna be scary my dad was very upset about it and he just sort of like before I left he looked at me for a little bit and he goes you're playing with fire oh my god And that was the whole conversation. That was your sex talk? Yeah. And I was like, I got a hose. You know what I mean? I don't know. Oh, that's... Don't involve a hose. I did not get a sex talk. And I'm still waiting. Still waiting.

36:03Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, this is the thing I'll say. I take the Conan O 'Brien Needs a Friend podcast premise, I think, much more seriously than the other guests. Last time, I demanded to have a real friendship with Conan. Since then, we visited the Pope and we had coffee in Brooklyn. We did. There were two definitive days. And I am coming on your podcast. You're coming on my podcast? When I can get my ass to New York. Yep. And I feel badly because we walked in and your assistant was here who works with you on the podcast. Yep. And she has an antiquated name. Mabel. Mabel. Mabel Lewis, yep. It's not a name you hear all that, Mabel.

36:44You don't hear Mabel a lot. She's gonna love that. She has an antiquated name. No, and she was wearing a bonnet. She was wearing a bonnet. She was wearing a bonnet. She came out in a horse-drawn carriage. But she was in the podcast room when I walked in. This very nice young woman wearing a bonnet. And she was working a loom when I came in. It was a loom, yeah. She had an antiquated name said Conan. I mean, that's the point that's true. I know, I know. she seems lovely and she's going i'll be seeing her at the podcast yeah where and i yelled at her for even daring to be in here mock yelled at her and i i said we need for symmetry she needs to scream at me when i come to your podcast but i want to move my friendship with conan to a quarterly this year yeah you mean right now we did two we did two meetings in the last year and a half let's see you know what i'm gonna do i'm going to be i think i'm gonna be in new york in june and that's when this, is it drops?

37:47That's when this drops. It's drops, right? Yeah, sure. Yeah. I think we should get together in June and I'll either do your podcast or we'll meet up for more than coffee. What's more than coffee? A lunch. I think a lunch, yeah. Okay, not a dinner. I won't do a dinner with you. Okay, fair. Next year. We'll see. So we went to Italy. My daughter was there. Your son was there. And so my daughter met Conan. of course just thinks he's another person going to the vatican doesn't just this tall tall man going to the vatican also and then we show when the oscars come on we show her the oscars like that remember him conan from the vatican so that how old is your daughter she's 44 44 years old no she's she just turned 10 but we showed showed her the oscars and and we laughed at the Adam Sandler bit a lot.

38:39It's like really silly, him wearing a hooded sweatshirt. And the next day I drove her to school and I was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and she goes, you look like Adam. And I go, Adam who? And she goes, Adam from the Oscars. I think that's the only time he's ever been referred to as Adam from the Oscars. Yes, yes. You know what you said in your special? That's cute. Which was sweet was that whenever you're out in the real world and someone comes up to you and says, I love your comedy. You had this great line about your kid's response. Yeah, yeah. Well, I said to her, because I was like thinking, I was like, that's so weird for her, probably.

39:26Someone's like, oh, you're a great comedian. And I walked a few blocks. I go, what do you think when people say stuff like that? And she goes, it's a waste of my time. I was like, that's the meanest thing anyone's ever said to me. I know Bill Burr. Oh, God. No, it's really funny. My kids have a great, healthy disinterest from my shenanigans professionally. And I think way deep down, they're proud of my, if I do some good work, but mostly, again, a waste of their time. Yeah, yeah. And I remember walking through the street once down the street and I was with my daughter. And do you ever, I reuse some lines and what I get a lot is you're much taller in person.

40:10Sure. I get that all the time. And so I just learned the thing that always works is people be like, Hey, you're much taller than you are on TV. And I say, and you're much taller in person than you are on TV. And I'll say, well, you need a bigger TV. And it always works. It just works. I'll say, you need a six foot four television. They're like, ha ha ha. And we're done. I did that. And my daughter shot me a look. This is a bunch of years ago, she shot me a look and she said, you've done that one before. And I said, you want an original line for every human I meet? And she kind of gave me a look like, yeah.

40:44You can't reuse material. I'm like, you can when you're walking around a mall. What are you talking about? We really got into it. And I started screaming at it, which I promised I'd never do. I said I'd never be that dad, but that's what we got into it. When you hosted the Oscars, I texted you. I go, Conan, You showed us how it's done. All of us comedians are diligently taking notes. Do you have advice? I was just about to film my special. And Conan wrote back, and it was very sweet. He wrote, thanks. Tons of prep, but I ended up having fun out there. I guess that's the only lesson. Yeah, I think that's true.

41:19And I think that the special is, I think, the most fun that I've ever had on stage in one of the film specials. There is something contagious about people having fun. Yeah, this special is really specific what the preparation was. It was 70 cities over two years. So I toured and every city was different. You know, keep making tweaks, keep making tweaks. And then my director, Seth Barish, who's directed like all six of my last specials, he has a theater company called The Barrow Group. And we would have these impromptu like rehearsals for whoever was around. it would be like 10 people in in like a room and i just go this is the story and that it wouldn't be like stand up it wouldn't be like people bought a ticket and i would just do you know the special you guys saw like i would just perform it and you'd see which parts just don't ring true yeah because you take away the inertia of like a thousand people in a room going yay and it's just like me telling you a story it starts to be like oh okay well that part's a little bullshit.

42:24And this part really feels like something. That's the part of it that speaks to something I don't understand. There's a almost mystical quality to some of this mass communication or whatever we want to call it, but specifically comedy where, and I mean, and the same thing is true in music where you can try and over and over and over and over again to get them to like the thing that they don't like or that they don't respond to and you can keep tweaking it and working it but when you find those real things yeah those nuggets they just have a palpable weight yeah they're they're uh and sometimes you just find them conversationally with your friends or out in the world you find something you're like oh that's is you know this is great this is i i there's something about this phrase or this story with this, you know, and it's funny because we started this and I asked you off mic because you talk a lot about your dad having this.

43:26Having a stroke. Having a stroke. And it sounds, you know, like it was a pretty serious neurological event. And this is another thing I can relate to because your dad's a doctor, he starts to try and take control of his own care. And I watched your special and I went right to my dad 20 years ago having, being diagnosed with colon cancer. And they go in and they do the major surgery, not orthoscopic, but they go in and they do the major abdominal incision and take out a section of his intestine and sew him back up again. And he wakes up after the operation and there are these tubes going in and they're basically anesthesia to block the nerves so that he doesn't feel the pain.

44:11And he looked at them and he said, what is this? And they said, well, this is to keep you from feeling the agony of this abdominal surgery. And he said, it will slow recovery. Take it out. And they said, no, no, no. We just cut through you with a buzzsaw and took out. And my dad said, take it out and they took it out. I flew home because I was in Los Angeles. I flew home to see my dad thinking, and I said, I'll stop off at my parents' house first in Brookline and drop off my stuff and go right to the hospital to visit my dad. And this is like the day after the operation, I arrived because I had, I wasn't, I would have been in New York.

44:47So I flew in, had to do a show, flew in. I don't have a key to the house. I ring the doorbell. the door opens it's my dad opening the door no yes he had had his like intestine removed the day before oh my gosh and he's standing there white as a sheet he was like it is good to see you son oh my gosh and I can tell he's basically been gutted like a fish but he knew that you can recover quickly with no anesthesia or a little bit longer and feel some and feel comfort and he did that and um that's when i thought there's so much in your special where i thought yep i can check that box too yeah there's so much i can check it's such a strange thing watching a neurologist my dad is a neurologist being treated by a neurologist and they're essentially conferring with each other yeah about what what has happened and then your dad gave the doctor a bill yeah yeah here's my bill and here's my bill we'll go dutch there was a point there was a point where where and when he was at the hospital early on where uh where he he my brother joe said to me he goes i went to see dad today and he said in the middle of the night they took me downstairs and i got hit by a truck and i was like dad it's worse than that you know what i mean yes yes yes it's oddly like yeah it's it's a it's a shocking experience what he's been through and and how's his recovery going his recovery is okay i mean a few weeks ago he had pneumonia and the flu at the same time yeah yeah and it just becomes I mean the special I mean the special has been an interesting process for me because I wasn't planning on writing about it I started writing about what can I teach my daughter and then a year into writing that show my dad has the stroke and so then I'm like okay what can I teach my daughter what have I learned from my dad and in the process of it I feel like I've learned to empathize with my dad in this way that I don't think I did I did when I was younger I think I just viewed him as larger than life and not quite as a person.

47:13And I think it's been very healthy and healing. You know what helped me a lot is when my daughter was born and then two years later, my son was born. And I remember telling my wife, no matter what we do, they're going to go to a therapist and have complaints or issues because that's just how it is. And if you accept that up front and you're not defensive about it, we're all doing the best we can. And that includes our parents and their parents. We're all doing, well, that's not true. There are parents that are not doing the best they can, but most people are doing the best they can. And that's what we're doing.

47:50We're doing the best we can. I haven't seen my kids in years. But my manager and my agent tell me they are prospering. I spoke with your publicist about the modeling that your children are doing. Yes. I got them into modeling. I know you're getting the checks from it. Well, they say that once they turned 18, they're supposed to get the money. But I am fighting that. And this is reminding me of this crazy riff I did with Bob Newhart, who passed about, I don't want to say a year and a half ago. But we were doing something, I might've been doing, he did a podcast for a while. And I don't know if I was talking to him, but we got on this crazy riff about doing stuff for charities and we both started doing this thing about how yeah and then when that when it's sick kids and then you're supposed to give them the money and it was so great because bob newhart who's you know a saint and what but he was so dry and he was like oh i know tell me about it you know but and we were both doing this fake riff about how we were trying to hide the money for the children's hospital that's what i love is the is that when you can go that dark with people who are...

49:06Oh, yeah. At that point, he would have been 94. And he can go that dark and wants to go that dark. Oh, yeah. And you realize, oh, this is just universal. We're all terrible people. No, and this show is definitely the darkest of my specials just by the subject matter. Yeah. You know, and it's like, it's been an interesting thing because there's that joke where I say, my dad had a stroke and it's been devastating, but I will say it has calmed him down. Right. You know? We have a lot of lines like that that get big laughs. But if you you're also touching a third rail, which is the whole point. Right.

49:40But it's interesting because you just when people laugh at that and and and, you know, there was a point at which it early in the development, I was like, oh, that's a little tense. And then I was I would say to the audience, I go, you know, a lot of the jokes tonight are for me. Yeah. Some most of them are for you, but a few are for me. This is a coping mechanism and I hope it is for you, too. yeah i think that that's the thing i've realized in the process of writing this show is that like comedy for all of us is a coping mechanism of some kind oh it's a total uh defense mechanism coping mechanism uh i've often said i just as a very young child went through my checklist of you know i know everyone's given certain superpowers what are mine and i went through nope nope nope nope nope nope nope and then i got you know oh i can my friends think i'm funny we're gonna double and triple down yeah yeah because it's not going to be an athletic scholarship um well the the uh the show the good life is on netflix uh it's your sixth special overall but your fourth on netflix they probably don't want you to acknowledge anything that wasn't on netflix true true so um and i believe that's either out now or out any day doubt oh it's out okay It's available everywhere.

50:50Watch it because you do beautiful work, Mike, you really do. And there's this, a bunch of these young comedians who come from a generation or two before me who I really adore, you and Mulaney. And I mean, the list goes on and on and on, but just that they do really great work. And I watch you guys and it makes me happy. Makes me happy like, oh, comedy is in very good hands. It's time for me to die. And Mike Birbiglia needs a friend. Yeah. There we go. We have agreed that you will slide right in. It's official. It's official. Starting now. Yeah. No, wait a minute. Okay, we can do it. Give me a couple of months.

51:32Get my affairs in order. But congratulations on another amazing show. And thank you for making it. It really made me feel very connected to you. Oh. And also really laugh. This is good medicine for all. And now quick disclaimer. Pope Francis did not speak with that Italian accent Conan O 'Brien disrespect my grave

52:01I'm up in heaven now and I have to listen to this shit alright Mike thank you very much this is such an honor my favorite podcast and I just appreciate you guys having me on I'll see you soon I'll see you in New York couple weeks yep

52:23All right, we do have to address something, which is before the interview officially began with Mike Birbiglia, we start yapping. And we always do this. Yeah. Because, and then we don't record on that or we don't usually air that because we start with the, hi, my name is blank and I feel blank. And, but we thought we should stop doing that. We should just start playing this stuff because it was a good area. We had some fun. and it was before the official start of the podcast. So we were just chatting. Sometimes I will take those things and splice them in the interview. But funnily enough, this one was so crazy energy that when you guys actually started the podcast, you both got really sober and somber and they would never cut together.

53:04I know. That's the thing is I came in hot. Yes. I come in hot sometimes and you were actually worried because my energy was very high in a good way. I mean, I was in a great mood. Yeah. I love Mike Birbiglia. I'm happy to be here. nice to see you guys I'm kind of jazzed and then I have the biggest cup of coffee in the world and you were worried like he's gonna go up from here yeah so I think maybe I came in hot yeah Birbiglia or as I call him Birbigs which doesn't really work as a nickname no I didn't hear you call him that once never did I just thought of it right now I think that's his Instagram handle isn't it Birbigs yeah oh is it is it yeah I think it is oh it's terrible I'd go with Birbiggy if I was him.

53:49I'd say Berbigaroni. I'd go Berbigin. Notorious B-I-R-B-I-G. What was it we were talking about? Because I can't remember now. We were talking about how Berbiglia is offering that when you die, he will do Mike Berbiglia needs a friend and take Sona and I on. Yes, yes. Which brings up a very good point. We don't have a succession plan. And we need one. We do. I mean, I don't know when this drops, but we've just lost the Pope. And that's a whole process they go through for finding someone. Conclave. It's usually a conclave. Yeah. I don't know if there would be a conclave to find who takes over this podcast should something happen to me.

54:26Who would be in? Well, these three would be in it. Yeah. Blay, Eduardo, and Adam would be in it. Blay, Eduardo, and Adam would be in it. We're cardinals. For sure. Or are we in the running? I don't want to, I'm removing myself. I don't think you guys want to host it. No. You, let me just tell you something. Host, it's a very high pressure position. Is it? And I think you guys get to go like, what? What's he talking about? Eye roll. And then you get the check and it's all nice. To be the tent pole, to be the one who's in the F-16 piloting it. Oh, you think that's what you're doing. Anyway, Sony, he's right.

55:00So we should just co-host. Okay, yeah, we could just do that. So who should it be? Will it be Birbiglia? Who will take over this podcast? I think he's a strong contender. Who else would it be? Who else do we think would have the, I mean, very few people. and this sounds like a I'm thinking it's not even a humble brag it's just a brag but who else would have my combination of skills wow this is a really read off of a paper that's so much work I know someone just tears out the page from a 1978 yellow page let's get this plumber oh no what do I do someone gives me the research and then I gotta ask questions occasionally I gotta doodle while I'm talking to people how hard is my question My job is so hard.

55:44Guys, I know it looks to you like I just come in here and babble like a chimp. Yes, yes, it does. And then somehow it's cobbled together. But no, that's not what I do. I spend hours preparing my body. There's a whole regimen of various tubs filled with different oils at a different temperature. There's a whole thing that happens. Oh, my God. So you get deep fried in various oils. No, I think we should, you guys should be thinking about it. Adam, you should be thinking about who would step in. You're the podcast whisperer here. You're the one that thought I should do a podcast and started this insanity.

56:20As we're talking about it now, I'm actually thinking that I've been a little derelict in my duties because I should have a, you know, all the like big companies are talking about what's the Disney succession plan. Everyone needs to have when their leader is aging. Everyone needs to have like a - Wait a minute, wait a minute. Succession plan. Wait a minute, Adam, wait a minute. It's my responsibility to come up with. I was certain we were talking about either an accident or me deciding to retire to my pony farm upstate. What do you mean is aging? How about has aged? What about has aged backly? I think it's legitimate.

56:59I'm going to overlook the way you said it, but I do think. And it should be my responsibility and I think Brbigli is a great candidate. Although I will say this, every special he has is about his medical ailments. Today we found out that he was born without bones. Yeah. He has no bones. He uses coat hangers that are strapped to the outside of his body. He doesn't have much time left either. I would worry about Birbiglia's health because every special he does is about, oh, and by the way, I have another condition where my gums are growing into my heart. You know? So would you, well, here's the thing though.

57:31I think you should be grooming your successor. I don't like the word grooming anymore. It's got some bad connotations. This brings up the question. Is this like a democracy or a conclave? Or do you get to appoint a successor? It seems like the autocrat would be the way he would go. And Sona, you had suggested maybe this. It's more like succession. I'm Logan Roy. You're Logan. You're definitely a Kendall. Excuse me? He is. He's Kendall. He is very. You're a very Kendall. You're very Kendall-esque. And yeah, it's. And you, of course. You're not a Roman. You're Shiv. Yeah, I'm Shiv. I'm Shiv. But you don't think you're a Tom?

58:07Oh, and you know what? Blay is the guy. Who's the guy who is out in Montana? Connor? Yeah. Blay is Connor. Yeah. I'm more a Tom than a Kendall. You are a Tom. Blay thinks he's going to run for president, and no one takes him seriously. I see myself as more of a Greg. That's true. A little bumbly, smarmy. Yes. You know what? You are more of a Greg than a Connor. Yeah. And Eduardo is just Eduardo. Yeah. I mean, you can't. You're not. There's no way to make you someone else. There's no Latinos on Succession. Oh, snap. He's like a Mattson. He's more of a Mattson. Cool guy, right? No, I think he's, oh God, Jerry.

58:44He's Jerry. If I get the same paycheck, sure. As me? Yeah. There's a little lot of money in this. I mean, there was at one point. Anyway, we don't have any more time to play the clip. Well, yeah, this is - Yeah, play the clip. Play the clip. This is like Succession, though, if nobody wanted your job. Yeah, that's true. Like, it's like, who's not going to get it? In succession, the company was very sought after and powerful. This is very different with, this is people saying, I don't want that. I'm gonna work at a shoe store instead. All right, play the clip. Okay, here we go.

59:21Oh man, oh man. Have we got a lot to talk about? This is one of those ones where I wanna get right into it because we have so much to talk about. Yeah, I know there's a lot. You and your special will not come up. Okay, got it. You understand? No. Let me just write this down. Kind of what I've got going on. No promotions. No promotions at the whole. No promotions of projects. Have you met the mobile? This is Sona. Sona. Sona. Sona. Mark. Mark. Mark. I just like to keep him on his toes. Listen, I came in a little hot. I apologize. I saw someone who shouldn't be here. Yep. And it infuriated me. No, I get it.

1:00:03You know what I mean, right? You don't just let people wander around. First of all, I brought a bunch of, I brought notes again. Okay. I love it. I love how prepared you. I love this. I got a stack of notes. The last person who I saw bring that many notes was Gary Shanling and he's dead. Oh my God. Dead. And maybe I think because of the notes. That was one of, that was going to be one of my notes today. It is when, I just want to pitch this to Matt and Sona. When Conan dies, and I'm not saying he's going to die soon. Mike Birbiglia needs a friend. Okay. Yes. We don't have to wait for that. No, no.

1:00:35And we have... Um... Wow. Or we can hasten it. Before we begin, I have one question. No, no, that's part of it. That's part of it. Keep it in. This can't be part of the keep it in. No, that's part of the keep it in. Wasn't clear to me at the end, dad okay now? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Your dad. My dad is okay now, yep. He's better. He's better. Okay, I just wanted to make sure before we get into it, because I'm going to really roast him, and I want to make sure he's okay. Oh, shit. Um, listen, I think it's what we do in Massachusetts. Oh, it is. It really is. Yeah, it really is. These two California soft little babies.

1:01:11I'm really glad you're in my life. Croatia? But for real, when Conan dies, it is important that you know that you will be the first two people who I want to have on Mike Birbiglia and the Interest. True story. You're just, you're going to make us, you're going to make something. I don't know why. I want to start. We are. But you guys have created this thing that has to happen first, where they go, I feel nauseous. And because we have to do that, we can't record any of this shit. You created the perfect trap. It's all being recorded. Look at this. This is how a guy with ESP does a podcast. That's a funny bit.

1:01:53We're ready to come be on your podcast. Yeah, Mike Burbiglia needs a friend, you said. Okay, we're in. Let me tell you a few things about television. They're rolling right now. So we can use all of it. It's not television. It's not television. It's a podcast that's being recorded. Oh, my God. I hope there's no caffeine in whatever you're drinking. There's a volume in there. Oh, God. Okay, over to you, Mike, whenever you're ready. Whenever you want to start. Yay, boo, yay, boo. It's lots of fun to do. If you like it, holler, yay. And if you don't, you holler, boo. Oh, no. I listened to our last episode in yay, boo.

1:02:26Yee-boo in the comments is beloved. People love Yee-boo. Oh yeah, well, I could sing another one of his tunes. I don't know if we brought that up. Oh, we have, yeah. Oh yeah, boy, wow. Okay, let's start it. All right. Okay, fake start and go.

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