Unleash the Kraken

0:03Conan O 'Brien needs a fan. Want to talk to Conan? Visit teamcoco.com slash call Conan. Okay, Okay, let's get started. Hey, Ben, welcome to Conan O 'Brien Needs a Fan. Hi, everybody. How's it going? Hey, Ben, how are you? You know, I'm doing just fine. How about yourselves? I'm doing well. That's all the time we have. It's nice chatting with you, Ben. Well, it's nice to see you. Where are you calling in from, Ben? So I'm calling in from Tacoma, but I live just up the road in Seattle. So that's up in Washington State. I know my Seattle well. I married into Seattle. My wife is from Seattle, and I go there a lot.

0:40But currently, my in-laws from Seattle are visiting us here in Los Angeles. Oh, beautiful. So I spent a lot of time with them. And yes, Seattle's a wonderful place. I really like it there. I keep meaning to go visit that trash can that Godfrey in Langley. Yes, I was on an island. I haven't made it over there. I was in one of the islands. And I was there because my wife had a play that was being produced there. And they found out I was in town. And they said they wanted to honor me. and they named a trash can after me. The highest honor. You know, I assumed it was, and I went with it. And actually, we had a lot of fun.

1:17It was a nice sort of happening, and a good time was had by all. But let's not talk about me and my awards and the trash can that bears my name. Let's talk about you. Tell us a little bit about yourself. What do you do for a living there, Ben? So I've got an assemblage of very odd jobs. So my day job is I build pipe organs, the kind you would find in a church or university, stuff like that. And then a seasonal part-time gig as I play Oregon at the Seattle Kraken NHL games. Yes, unleash the Kraken. That's, you got it, Conan. No, that is, I love, when they named that NHL franchise the Kraken, I was so happy.

1:55And then they, that's their motto is unleash the Kraken. And I thought, this is genius. So I started rooting for the Kraken just because of the creative choice. That's beautiful. Yeah, I was down with the Kraken. I'm still down with the Kraken. Is it unleash or release? There you go. Unleash. Usually I think it's release, but not to side with Gurley out the gate. I'm just going by Clash of the Titans. Yeah. So I've been doing it wrong. I've been shouting, unleash the Kraken. And whenever I do that, they lose. So this might be on you. The Kraken was leashed? So you're to blame. You're to blame.

2:30Well, I just think of, I've seen many times I go to the park and stuff, and they say, please keep your crack unleashed. And so as a rule follower, that's why I went with unleash. I was wrong. You guys were right. And Gourley, you were right. I wasn't doing it to be right. I was just correcting history. Clash of the Titans, this is important. I understand. Okay. So we have a lot to talk about here. First of all, let's talk pipe organs. I know nothing about pipe organs. Of course, I grew up going to many masses and seeing a lot of pipe organs in my life. And so I'm very impressed by them, but I don't know anything about them.

3:09How do you I mean, how did you become a guy who makes a pipe organ? How does one and you're a young man? It's not like your great grandfather handed this on down to you. It feels like this is just something you kind of figured out on your own. Yeah. You know, it's just a series of stumbling into odd career paths. I went to school for engineering and decided about halfway through that I didn't really want to do that and wanted to try and figure out, how can I do, like, you know, work with my hands, build stuff? And through a series of very chance encounters at the University of Illinois, got linked up with a pipework and builder there, but they didn't need any more people.

3:43And believe it or not, there's a lot of people that do this throughout the country. And so he kind of put the guy there pointed me to a website that listed a bunch of other ones. and I just sent a bunch of emails saying, hey, I think what you guys do is neat. Do you need another hand around the shop? And one thing led to another and now I live in Seattle and do this. You know what? I like that. Perseverance. Perseverance. You had a sense of what you wanted to do and you kept at it. Did you choose the right path? I'm not sure. What? You know, verdict's out every day. To be honest with you, Ben.

4:13What do you have against pipe organs? I was attacked by one. Oh. Yeah, it fell over on me. And the sound it made was incredible. It was like, as my life was being crushed out of me. No, Ben, I obviously think it's very cool what you do. Tell me, how many pipes are in a pipe organ? It kind of depends on the size. So we will do anything from some of the ones we're finishing up right now are kind of a smaller practice size. They go in a practice room, or if you had a nice vaulted ceiling, you could fit it in your house. Those might have a couple hundred, but the biggest organ that we've done, I think, has in the ballpark around 5 ,000.

4:475 ,000 pipes. now and they they range in size so like the smallest one um will be about like an inch long um you know that's your high-pitched stuff that'll sound kind of like this on the the bigger range of the scale the largest pipe that'll end up going to most of the organs we do from kind of tip to tail uh it's around 32 feet long and and what sound does that make would that make like a bill exactly you nailed it uh oh my god he's got one big but we do this This isn't like the big one, but it is at least a little deeper to give you kind of the range here. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. I think we overdid it there.

5:27It made the sound that we thought it would make. And then all of us went. You did it better, I think, actually. Oh my God. It's just so different than the other one. Yes. Wow. It really was. I mean, I didn't expect. No, one was very high. And then the other was. Small ones do pitch. Yeah. A high pitch. Yeah, yeah. Low. Yeah, shocking. Okay. So it's incredible that you learned how to do that. Is there a lot of welding, soldering involved? A lot of metal work? Do you put on goggles? Are there sparks flying? Paint a picture for me. Yeah, it's just like, you know, the fires of Vulcan in the face. You know, there's a lot of soldering.

6:12These secrets are making organ pipes and actually a lot of like brass musical instruments is a lot of just kind of beating the shit out of it until it's the right shape. Yeah, that's right. So that's, it's definitely a physical job. But yeah, so we'll start with liquid. We'll start with ingots of metal and we'll melt them down in a big furnace. So you have this liquid kind of Terminator 2000 kind of looking stuff. This is a real, I'm sorry, and I don't want to embarrass you, but you're like a real person because you're taking, my job does not involve, and I envy you for this, My job doesn't involve taking ingots of metal and melting them down in a vat.

6:48And I come into this room in a T-shirt and blah, blah, blah, blah. This is, you're actually building things that will outlive you. These pipe organs will live, they could live for a thousand years. But not to be in your defense, but you make something out of nothing. You're right. My craft's laughter. I have no, you're right. I have no ability. No, you're a conjurer, you know? I'm a conjurer, yes, yes. I suppose I am a conjurer, if you will. Yeah. Thank you. But I am, I'm just the same. His is way cooler. Thank you. Yeah. So you make these amazing organs. Let's say I wanted to buy an organ, you know, be nice if someone would, you know, give me one, an organ donor, if you will.

7:29But. Oh, God. Home run. But my question is. Back what I said. But my question is. There was nothing there and I made something, something horrible. Yeah. Pile of shit. OK. There you go. Thank you. Critics. Everyone's a critic. Like, how much are we talking? Let's say I wanted to buy a pipe organ for my wife for her birthday. Top of the line? Mid-range? I'm looking for something mid-range. I don't want to go with a small organ. I want to go with something that has at least 1 ,000 pipes. Okay, so as long as your estate has the space to kind of accommodate something that big. You're looking probably about the$1 million range.

8:06You're talking to Conan O 'Brien. I have nine estates that have been joined together with various bridges and habit trails. so I scurry through tubes to get from one estate to the other um uh okay so what are we talking about let's let's say let's say I had uh I wanted a thousand pipe organ what do you think it might run me you're probably gonna run in like the million dollar range somewhere which for you change but I wouldn't say chump change I mean I'd have to shake out a couple of couch cushions but we'd find it no no um I uh that's so cool how long would it take to build uh usually takes about a year from when we'll start in on one project and the shop there's eight guys that work here full-time um and everyone's kind of got their specialty so like right now for example the pipes we're starting the next organ while we're finishing up some of the casework on the previous ones um but generally something around that size like a thousand two thousand let me ask you a really obnoxious los angeles question if i threw more money at it could i get it faster what if i was like hey man you want to come help out sure no no just you know that obnoxious like hey i need this in three months i'll give you 10 million would or is that just impossible it would make my life a lot worse if you wanted to do that the kind of guy i'm the human cost the kind of guy i'm impersonating doesn't care yeah yeah and you'd get 10 million dollars well no he'd eventually not pay oh yeah yeah no i'm talking this guy is awful it's this guy currently running for president running again for president.

9:32Okay, yeah. But anyway, let's talk about your other gig, which is you play at the Kraken Games. I mean, what kind of songs do you play when you're on that organ? You know? A little bit of everything. you know that one? Yeah, yeah. There's those kind of the old standbys, your let's go Kraken, stuff like that. But especially being a new team, you kind of get to start fresh and really build the repertoire, however you see fit. So, you know, I'll play classic rock songs. I'll play hip hop songs. You play hip hop on a pipe organ? You can get away with anything on an organ because there's no lyrics.

10:14So you're playing some hardcore hip hop. You know, from time to time. But I don't want to get you in trouble. But what would be the nastiest song that you've played at a Kraken game? Or do you not want to say? Well, you guys You don't censor anything, right? I think the song title that would have gotten me Most in trouble, there's an exhibit song Called Motherfucker So that's an example You probably couldn't play We all know Motherfucker That's a good one Something like that That's so cool, that's great Why don't you play it and I'll sing it Go ahead

10:59I mean, I was actually, I was almost right, is what's shocking is that you were pretty close on where the motherfucker dropped.

11:17it must be fun i mean first of all it sounds like you're a talented musician as well so this must be really nice that you've you've built this life for yourself uh there it's one of those things you show up to work and it's like it is stupid that someone let me do this uh i know I know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah. I thought you might. Yeah. No, I do think to get serious for a second, I do think that one of the main goals, then I talk to my kids about this all the time is really try and figure out what excites you, what you like. And then, you know, just keep at it and try and figure out a way to make that thing that brings you some joy, a career.

11:56Absolutely. You know, because I I talk to people all the time who really hate what they do. That's just no way to go through life if you can possibly avoid it. Well, it's unlike the other side of it. You know, the advice part of it, too, that I'll tell people all the time is that any job I've ever had has never been from like a job listing and just applying to something. It's been finding like, oh, here's something I'm really interested. And then you have to find the people who are doing what you want to do and find a way to get involved. Yeah. I can't believe how many people do this. Yeah. It's pretty common.

12:25Is it common? Do you guys have conventions? It's more common than you'd think. Every city needs one of you guys, right? Yeah. No, it's true. Every city needs at least someone who's making pipe organs or maintaining them. Right, yeah. And then you've got to figure out if there's at least one, often there's more. Do you guys have a union? Is there a pipe organ union? There's no union, not yet. Let's organize. I'd like to organize you guys. Organize. We'll get on the phone. We're going to do this. And then let's you and I unionize, Sona. I'm down. I'm going to bring in some thugs and goons. For just the two of us?

13:03Yeah, it's going to be like an automobile plant in the 30s. Oh, man. I'm going to beat you with pipes. Get the National Guard on trains to come in. Yes, exactly. I'm going to get all these guys that really are dressed like it was the 30s. And you guys are just going to be having a quiet conversation over in the kitchen area. Yeah. over Flan talking about, yeah, maybe we could work out, and these guys are going to come and just start wailing on you with pipes. Yeah. Hey, and you can bring the pipes. Oh. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. Yeah. I think I'm on their side, though. You know, solidarity. Thank you, Ben.

13:36Yeah, you'll be on their side, but later on you realize, wait a minute, the pipes they used to, Conan had the goons hit Son and Gorley with were made. That's going to be the twist ending is you're going to think this is horrible, and then you're going to see your signature on the pipes. Oh. See? But then I'll remember that$10 million demand where I had to work, you know, round the clock slaving away for Conan's pipe organ. And then I'll remember now my heart's with the little people. Yeah, exactly. Then you realize I didn't need a pipe organ. I just wanted the pipes. Yeah. To hit Gorley and Sona to keep them from unionizing.

14:10You're like, hey, Conan, do you care about that? I don't care about what's the size of the pipes. Send the bigger, heavier pipes sooner. I don't like those little pipes. I don't need the organ, just the pipes. Yeah, I don't need the organs. I just need the pipe. That's very cool. And the one that you play for the Kraken, I know that you play like hip hop and stuff like that, but how does the Let's Go Kraken song go? Is it the standard? Is it?

14:40It's your standard. Let's go, unleash the Kraken, right? Well, it's just usually it's, you know. Unleash the Kraken. It's release. And then the claps. Release the Kraken. Unleash the Kraken. Just say you were incorrect and you were wrong. It really flows. Unleash the Kraken. Unleash the Kraken. Unleash the Kraken. Unleash the Kraken. You get to really hit un. Release the Kraken. Nope, doesn't work. Release the Kraken. Unleash the Kraken. And let's see if I can get this turned around in Seattle so it's unleash the Kraken. So this Kraken, this underwater sea creature is on a leash? Yeah. It's on a leash.

15:11Okay. And then, and the other team isn't afraid and they're winning. And then suddenly the mascot comes out and unleashes the Kraken. It's just in the movie, there's literally a cage that they released. It's a lot of logistics to have to fight with a leash. To do with a leash? No, you take the leash off. Now, there's going to have to be a collar. Does he have a harness, too? Or is it just the collar? Yeah, he has a harness, too. It sort of keeps his chest stable. Okay. And it's easier to walk him, and he heals better. And he has a little torso sweater. He has a little torso sweater, yeah. Rabies vaccine tag.

15:44Yeah, he's got a little thing that says what his chip ID number is. And a little bandana. Because when your kraken goes lost, you want to make sure that if anyone finds him, they take him to the nearest vet. That's true. Listen, I've given this a lot of thought, and I think I've just improved the kraken. This is very cool. I think we should chip in, because we have a cool little spot here. Chip in? Let me see where I'm going, okay? Yeah, let him see where he's going. Yeah, let me see where I'm going here. Go Dutch. We have a place here, our offices, and I think there'd be some room for a pipe organ.

16:15That is exactly where I thought he was going. It would have to be not too big because our space isn't huge. And the pipes would probably have to go through at least two ceilings and come out the roof. Would that work? We can give you some smaller ones that are only about 12 feet tall. So that might just be one ceiling for you. There's options. We can talk about it. You said chip in? We have to chip in? Wait a minute. Why should I have to pay for everything? This is your building, your podcast. I'm not interested in co-owning an organ. Yeah. I want the full thing. Yeah, I would like a whole organ.

16:52My assumption was that you guys would donate, but I would still own it completely. No. We're not going to donate. We're going to unionize. That's right. All right, I'm going to need these pipes faster than I thought. I'll get cracking on. I want the really good whacking pipes. I don't care what they sound like. As I'm hitting, Sony, you hear, doom, doom. Hey, Ben, it's been really nice talking to you. Do you have a question? So my question would be, you know, it's a matter of when, not if you make the transition into professional sports. Thank you. Physique such as yours, I think you're a natural for hockey.

17:25Ben, I admire where you're coming from. And you seem like a very sensible and perceptive young man. So the question is, what sport? The question would be, you know, when you make the jump over to hockey, what would you want as like your goal song? So, you know, you've just absolutely wheeled down the ice and, you know, you found an opening in the goal. You embarrass them. You just get the puck in the back of the net. What song do you want reverberating as the crowd goes wild? What's the theme from St. Elmo's Fire? Oh! St.

18:03Elmo's Fire! Hey, we're going to get it. Eduardo's looking it up. What is it? Oh, were you just doing your taxes? you jumped immediately on the I was researching unions you can join now we're three strong you're gonna get a head full of pipe if you're not careful is it called for just a moment or love theme I think it's called St. Elmo's Fire isn't it it's a love theme from St. Elmo's Fire I don't think that's it which is really what you want for hockey is a nice love theme yeah man in motion can you play a second of it John Parr sure we'll have to take it out right yeah this will have to be taken out I know but then I maybe I can sing a second of it and then they'll still come after us but I'll avoid them I'm very good at that why do you want this to be oh my god this is gonna take it's an 80s song it's gonna take how much time do you have Ben it's gonna take like 20 minutes are they gonna play the whole song after you score a goal yeah whole song they'll do about yeah just for Conan yeah they'll stop and everyone will stop, politely listen.

19:08Is there someone that can play like this?

19:24Luckily, if I take the music out, I don't think this is in any way a royalty problem. No one will know. There's someone in there and there's other people in it too. But the main one I remember is Demi Moran, Rubbo. Cause it's St. Elmo's fire. Yeah, that's what I want to play with those lyrics. Are you going to sing it? You're going to score and then you're going to grab a mic. Ben's accompanying you on the organ. Here's the deal. I score a goal, okay? I put the crack in the head. Drop my stick. Ben tosses me a mic. I grab it. Long intro, 80s style. and then remember there was a movie that came out in 85 the crowd is filing out of the arena and Ben is wailing away with me you know this is going to be great yeah and I'm playing air guitar on my with my hockey stick yeah I can't wait until someone just beats you yeah and from the other team just beats you senselessly that would that's going to take at least five that's going to take like five minutes for someone to get organized enough alright Ben Ben, it was so cool talking to you.

20:35I look forward to joining the Kraken. Tell the Kraken I'm coming and I'm going to join. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to sing the St. Elmo's theme after every goal I score. You are going to accompany me. I have new lyrics, which just basically lists who I can remember from the cast. And it's unleash the Kraken, not release the Kraken. It is now officially unleash the Kraken, and I want that change made to all merchandise. And to Clash of the Titans. You're going to go back and change that? Nope. Okay. Hey, Ben, very nice to meet you. Very cool talking to you and continued success. I think you're a very cool guy.

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