Werner Herzog Returns

25:39The beauty of, and the joy of, by the way, the joy of stories, the joy of storytelling. When I modify things, of course, I would let the audience know either the story is so implausible it cannot. I did a film in Kuwait when everything was set on fire before the first Kuwait war. All the oil wells were on fire. And the commentary at the beginning explains that this was shot on a planet in our solar system, Meaning we as an audience know it cannot have been shot on Pluto or on Mars or on Jupiter. It must have been filmed here. But the world that you see is not recognizable anymore. There's 60 minutes of images where you cannot recognize our planet anymore.

26:28It's not embellishing. It's in a way modifying things in order to enter into a deeper truth, into some sort that elevates. What I took away from the book was we all do this. It's in us. There's something called an Irish fact, which is when the Irish get going on a story, they use Irish facts, which are not, no, this is not factually correct. but when a person such as myself who's 100 % genetically Irish and steeped in whatever that is, good and bad is when I'm telling a story the worst thing that you can do is step in and go, well no, Conan stop, hold on no, no, you spent$18 you said$17, it was$18 and this is going out to you my beloved wife Liza she will hold me to account on some of the facts sometimes And I'll look at her like, the facts don't matter in this story.

27:27I know that I'm switching things out left and right, but it's a really good story. And it is getting to some moment that feels like it's the truth to me. More truthful than the sheer facts. Yes. That's the beauty about it. That's the beauty about storytelling. The beauty about invention. The beauty about the invention somehow enters your heart and enters your dreams, but not your books of the accountant. Yeah. Well, I think that's what you're talking about throughout the book is that emotions get us to a truth sometimes that facts cannot deliver. And we live in this world right now where people are constantly contesting, this is a fact, no, that's fake news.

28:17What's real, what's not real? We have deep fakes, we have AI. We're constantly debating whose reality we're going to use, which is the real reality. But I do think there are moments where everyone can look at something and the emotion they feel about it delivers the real truth. Yeah, but you have to be careful about it because when you look, for example, at Germany in the late 20s, early 30s, when Hitler came to power, it was this emotional impact. Yeah, that's true. So you have to be very, very… No, it's not unfailing, but it's… Just be suspicious, remain suspicious. And you see, I see today 10-year-olds who very casually tell me, oh, don't open this here.

28:59That's an attempted fishing or whatever they call it. And they say, yeah, look at this here and look at that here. Just put it into junk. And they deal with it with great ease. They've grown up with it. Yes, but even the generation of, let's say, the 20, 30-year-old, who also grew up with it, don't have this kind of ease and nonchalance about separating things and being suspicious. It's a little bit like with prehistoric men. When they were out roaming around and hunting and gathering, they would gather berries and they would gather mushrooms. But I'm sure they were suspicious about things and they would not pick the poisonous mushroom or the poisonous berry.

29:53They had a natural acquired suspicion about things and it was so natural that we can certainly assume that they did not hate nature. They didn't hate nature. They just knew how to navigate. And it's the same thing. You don't have to hate the internet and the cell phone and whatever is coming at you in this new media, you just have to maintain a complete level of suspicion. Truth is not like a point somewhere far out in the distance, like a light, something translucent, something which is far out there, which you can never reach. It's more a process of searching for it, approximating and having doubts, going wrong routes and then recalibrating your way.

30:51That's what I have done all my life. And knowing that I will never get at the very, very truth, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the search itself. The search is the point. The search is the point. not giving up the search and could I have the book because the very last chapter I wish this was your book but you know what it's not. The publisher sent a you have it, good. They sent us, I have your copy at home your paperback but to have a hardback here on the table they sent us, I think there's a this is pornography they sent us very good by the way. Fantastic there's a picture of Fabio here because he has the book.

31:33Oh, this is the book. The cover is correct. But you see the... What did they put here? This is the great degeneration, how institutions decay and economies die. No, no, don't worry about these things. Let them decay. But you see, I just recorded it in a studio, and it will be out as an audio book at the same time with the printed version. And it has a last chapter, The Future of Truth. In the future, the chapters are 10 pages, 15 pages or whatever. The very last chapter is only two lines long, The Future of Truth. And it reads, Truth has no future, but truth has no past either. but we will not, must not, cannot give up the search for it.

32:35End of the book. Yeah, no, it's a striving is probably what it's ultimately all about. It's interesting because I'm thinking about the way you live your life. We talked earlier about how it must help you that you've kept things simple. You avoid the distractions of social media and a cell phone. You also avoid a lot of the distractions of materialism. You've had a great success, but you, unlike many famous directors, you're driving a car that you've owned for maybe 12 years? The last one, 17 or 18 years. Oh, 17 or 18 years. Yeah. Okay. What kind of car is it? A simple Ford Explorer. Okay. Yeah.

33:22But the most primitive. I love that's a great, this is why Ford Explorer is not asking you to do commercials. Because you went Ford Explorer and then you shrugged like, what are you going to do? Yeah, no, okay, let's take the name out of it. No, that's okay, that's okay. It's a simple. No, no, but I asked for the one with the least amount of digital things in it. Yeah, good. No sort of phone calls that come in or Google whatever maps and routing you and so. And I asked, do you still have a car where I can hand crank my windows? And they said, no, since 12 years, nobody produces it anymore. Then I asked, do you have a car if my electric system somehow fails me?

34:15that I can hand crank the windshield wiper in a thunderstorm. And they just laughed, but they got the point. So I just need four wheels, an engine, and a steering wheel. Fred Flintstone had it, right? Yeah. So you also, I don't think you own a lot of clothing or shoes, right? Do you have how many pairs of shoes? Basically one pair, but I do have sandals. someone's hit the big time you sound like Jesus Christ I also have sandals oh Jesus hitting the big time but Conan you will understand as I have been in the Austrian mountains not long ago I do have strong heavy boots for being in rocky terrain so it's not just one pair of shoes but basically but you keep things very simple I don't need do you have a lot of suits and things like that No, no, the jacket, I put it on for you today.

35:16This is the jacket that you own? What are you, Johnny Appleseed? It's incredible. No, I actually own a jacket that's very Bavarian in style. Yeah, yeah. And I actually own a suit, but for very formal sort of events where I would dress up to the occasion. And it was, I do understand, I didn't used to understand this, but, you know, when Maria Kondo's books came out and she started talking about, you need to clean out your closet, you need to, these things weigh on you. That resonated with me that when I have a lot of stuff, it has a psychic weight, which doesn't really make sense, but it feels like it does.

36:05And it doesn't mean I'm going to have less. Oh, you're not learning from it. Oh, no. You're not adjusting anything. I have 15 homes. I've never been to 12 of them. But I won't let anyone else stay in them because they're mine. No, but I do understand the principle of it. Well, the principle is the observation that we are ruining our environment because of two major reasons, underlying reasons. Number one, we are too many for this planet. We are using 8 or 9 billion, 9 ,000 million human beings. And the resources of our planet are not sufficient. So we are overdrafting our account here on this planet.

36:57And the second thing is consumerism. that a great amount of human beings on this planet and growing are into consumerism. And you see it with emerging countries. They are wildly into consumerism. And that's why I love, for example, the Amish. The Amish who do not want to have electricity, do not want to drive cars, have horse buggies. They do not have telephones, television or anything like that. And let's say if there's a cataclysmic catastrophe, they are the first survivors because they are homestead farmers and they can provide what they need. And Inuit, by the way, would also, hunter-gatherers would have a real survival if it comes to a cataclysmic catastrophe, which is not too far-fetched to think about it.

37:59So, just in order to understand what's going on, throwing things away is not the right thing. It doesn't feel right, and it doesn't feel right, Conan, because I grew up as a child of the Second World War. I was born in the middle of Second World War. I know what hunger is. I was hungry two and a half years of, and that's my strongest memory, being really hungry. And it pains me. It pains me to see how people are throwing 40 % of the food away into the trash. It's not that I want to be ideological or being the prophet of anything. It just pains me. It pains me, and it's not right that we are into this amount of consumerism, and it would be very easy to reduce the amount of things that you are throwing away by simply managing your fridge better.

39:01I overlook sometimes something and, oh my God, it's gone and it's moldy and I throw it away. But it doesn't happen very often. And it's simply because my experience in life was different than your experience in life. For most of the people that I encounter here, not that you have to adopt my ways of life, but it's healthy to look a little bit about how we are in a culture of consumerism. It has to be a profound influence on you, the way that you were born into that cataclysmic event and then experienced hunger, which is the most primal, really, deprivation you can feel. and I know, I know I, as one of six kids in a family, I didn't know hunger, but I knew the fear of my brothers taking my food.

40:01And so you'll attest to this, Sona. I eat like somebody in a prison yard. I have my arms around my food and I'm here living in Los Angeles with everything at my disposal and I still eat my food very quickly and my eyes dart around because I think Neil's going to get it if I'm not careful. And so these things stick with you. Yeah, but what sticks more to me is not that I was hungry. Yeah. It's remembering my mother who could not feed us. Three boys and she doesn't have enough food to satisfy the most basic needs. So in a way you're remembering her pain. at not being able to perform. Kids get over it easily.

40:49It didn't damage me that I was hungry. It made me alert. It made me curious. It made me looking around what is not going right here. My mother, when we were tugging at her skirt and we were kind of wailing and we are hungry and give us something to eat. And I remember that moment she spins around And completely collected and calm, she says to us, shut up, children. Shut up, boys. If I could cut it out of my ribs, I would cut it out of my ribs, but I can't. And she goes on working in whatever she was doing. And it sticks to me. It's seared into you. Yeah, of course it does. Oh, my God. So that's much worse for the parents, for the mother.

41:38It's much worse to being incapable of feeding the children than it's for the children themselves. We can take a lot. Yeah. I'm thinking about, you know, your book brings up all these questions and there's so much to talk about with, obviously with AI and deep fakes and how, I'm talking about the search for truth, but everything can be manipulated now and it's only going to, we're just at the beginning. So I'm curious, are you okay, Werner, with your distinctive voice, your image living on beyond you? And I mean, it must have, first of all, I'm sure it exists. I'm sure there are Werner AI generated.

42:26Yeah, and even before AI, I had at least 30 doppelgangers and they speak with my voice. They adopt my accent. I mean, fine, let's accept my accent as it is, but they give you advice for difficult situations in your life. They read books to you. They tell you jokes. They do whatever. And I thought, yes, experience of self has changed. And, of course, with the Internet in particular. and doppelgangers and fakes of you are rampant out there and I'm sure there are fake Conans out there. No one wants to do that. There's been no takers. They want other Werners. No one wants another Conan. You're making them and everyone's like, no thanks.

43:17I'm trying to sell them. Give them away for free. No, I can live with it easily. Let them do the battle out there and let them do the dirty fight out there. I mean the doppelgangers. Yes. But I'm thinking right now, if I could change the directions in my car to being Werner, I would happily do that. I would happily have Werner telling me to take a left on Crenshaw. You know, that would fill me with delight. And, you know, if it enabled you to buy another pair of shoes, then everyone wins. I should be actually the voice of these systems. Yes. They tell you, in 500 feet from now, turn left. More philosophical.

44:04In 500 feet, you'll cease to exist. Calmly, calmly intimidating. Turn left now. Something like that, yeah. Or else you have arrived, or have you? Do any of us really arrive? But we always have a philosophical question. We must drive to arrive. It's the journey that's important. No, it would be great joy if I would pop up with the voice to give you guidance for turning right or left or going for the next 12 miles straight. So, no, self, the experience of self is a massive change. And of course, AI, I do not want to put it down completely because it has glorious, magnificent possibilities in science, in pharmaceuticals, in transportation, and you just name it.

45:06But at the same time, it has already its own route to take over warfare, directing drones, and I mean huge swarms of them. And it will be overwhelming the face of warfare of the future. and of course cheating, pretending, propagandizing, all these things are like a nemesis. It's out there and we have to be alert to it. And again, I say, when you're curious and when you access different sources, very quickly you will find out this is invented. Yeah. I've seen movies, short films, completely created by artificial intelligence. Story and acting and everything. And they look completely dead. They are stories, but they have no soul.

46:08They don't have the spark. Yeah. It's not only a spark. They are empty and soulless. And you know it's the most common, lowest denominator of what is filling billions and billions of information on the Internet, the common denominator. And nothing beyond this common denominator can be found in these fabrications. And you will immediately identify it. You will find it very quickly. And I have no problem that people are using it like school kids using it as a tool, the same way we used dictionaries or encyclopedias in my time, where we would use a calculator for calculating multiplication or the square root of something.

47:05fine but you should understand what does it mean a square root of something what is the mathematical concept behind it what is the mathematical concept of logarithmic curves and things like that you have to know that if you know that use the calculator that's fine it's interesting because when i listen to you when i speak with you when i read your work when I see your films, there's a pattern where things can get quite grim, but then you'll say something that makes me very optimistic. I find that it's a bit of a, it's a wave, you know, which, which is, should be, because you can always see both.

47:47But I find myself, even in this course of this chat we've had, at times feeling like you're telling me we're all in great danger and it's over, but also feeling optimistic at times that if we strive and if we try to see things as they are or we make multiple attempts to find a real truth, we'll get there somehow. So I always end up with two ends to the story when I talk to you, a bright one and a darker one, which I think is probably okay. Sure, yes. And I love storytelling and I love what I do. And of course, when I listen to you, yes, you're right. And it continues until this very day. I just made a film called Ghost Elephants, a documentary in Africa, Namibia, and Angola.

48:38And what is interesting is that tribal people in the southern part of Africa, Kalahari, Sun, Bushmen, tribesmen, they link the fate of humans to the fate of elephants. If these elephants disappear, human beings also will disappear because they are mutually somehow incorporated in each other. The soul of elephants lives in you and lives in, in case of these tribal people, lives in our tribal communities. And it's beautiful to see that. And it sounds a little bit as if it were a documentary on wildlife, but you see elephants only for 20 seconds in the film. Otherwise, you see ghosts. You see the spirits of elephants.

49:35And how do you show the spirit of an elephant? And that's a big question. And they show the glory and the magnificence of elephants. And at the same time, as you have suggested, yes, there's this glorious side in the dark side. And if we exterminate them, it will probably lead to our own self-destruction. And yet, of course, we don't do it completely. We try to protect them, preserve them, study them, keep them alive. Yeah. That's a great way to look at environmentalism is do it for ourselves. Not to be noble, but these creatures need to endure so that we can endure. Sure. And it's more than just enduring.

50:22And today as we are around it about and still thriving, I do not want to live in a world without lions. Period. I just want to see them around or without elephants. Is there an animal you hate that you're fine if we get rid of it? Well, yeah, I'm worried about spiders. I just wanted you to admit, so it's okay to kill this. If you're listening, kill a spider. Yes. And a spider, a tarantula, that didn't sting me or bite me, almost killed me once. I was in the jungle in the Peruvian. But not a bite? It had a gun? No, no, no. We were desperately trying to get a flight, a single-engine flight, amphibious flight, far out into a small tributary of the Amazon.

51:16And I was woken up every night. Ah, the plane is there. So it wasn't there. So I went back to sleep. Suddenly at four in the morning, wake up, wake up, get out, get up. The plane is there. So I put on some clothes, put one shoe on the other, and there's a sock still in there. And I grab into the shoe and pull it out, and it's a tarantula. I mean, almost hairy, as big as my fist. And I dropped the tarantula, and my heart stopped beating. It literally stopped beating, and I knew it. And I thought to myself, dying from a heart attack is ridiculous. Not because of a tarantula that has not even bitten you.

52:06And I was sitting there and I was looking at the tarantula and tried to listen at my heartbeat, which wasn't there anymore. And then after 20 seconds or 30 seconds, all of a sudden, I was back to life. so I don't like spiders

52:29do you have an edit of our my favorite quote of yours from one of the previous podcasts was you talking about your favorite reality show that intrigued you and it's burned into my brain and I hope to burn it into everyone else's give it a roll Eduardo here comes honey boo boo that just makes me happy you enunciating boo boo gives me so much joy do you still watch here comes honey boo boo or have you moved on to love island now i i i'm still searching around honey boo boo of course you made something beautiful out of it i had no idea that it would have such repercussion in your spiritual life oh it's huge it's the only reason i get out of bed in the morning okay and when i'm down i think of you uh saying honey boo boo and it It makes me very happy.

53:19I had no idea that it was that funny, but I accept it. Today, I enjoy myself because you made it into such a wild thing. Well, a joy to talk to you always, Werner. And I'm in awe of your spirit and your tenacity and your curiosity. These are all great qualities and we can all... I should get a bracelet. what would Werner do? You know, because I think you have a terrific outlook on life. And I'd like to be a little more like Werner Herzog. So Werner, until we meet again, thank you so much for being here and for honoring us with your presence and your insights. I enjoy to be with you on this table.

54:08Thanks a lot. Yeah, yeah. And yes, look for, if you want to request that Werner Herzog become a directional vocals on your... You can actually do that on the Waze. speaking of app on the Waze app, you can plug in a few little things. So probably there were enough sound bites from this recording. Turn left and I'm worried about spiders. So look for that soon. All right. Thank you, Werner. Thanks.

54:42Well, I'd like to discuss not the elephant in the room, but Sona's dog in the room. Okay. So Sona, this is a first. I sat down at the mic like any professional ready to go when in my peripheral vision, I look to my right and I see that Okie, your dog, is with you. Okie has been a fixture for a long time. When did you get Okie? He's a special girl. Well, we were just talking about this. We got her in September 2018 and this podcast premiered November 2018. So, Oki is pretty much the exact same age as the podcast. Yes. And the same amount of downloads. Yeah. Woody, do you guys ever think about what your animals sound like?

55:27Yeah. Mine are like, oh, oh, what? Mine is, feed me, fucking feed me, all day long, feed me, feed me. I'm worried she's a little depressed lately. Why? Because she's been under our... bed a lot. She used to like roam around, but I think she's just not used to the change of scenery. So she's just been in under the bed a lot. Have you checked under the bed? There might be like half a ham back there. Oh no, the half ham. We left it there. I forgot. No, she's just, I don't know. I just brought her. She just loves to hang out with us. Now, Oki, let's talk about Oki. Of course, famously, you brought Oki to a restaurant once when you were going to meet me because you thought, well, I'm eating with Conan.

56:12They don't allow dogs at the restaurant, but I'll bring Oki because who's going to say boo to Conan O 'Brien? So you used, did you use me? Yes, I did use you. I did. Who is going to say, I mean, look, it wasn't, it was outdoors. You're making me sound really shitty right now. You used to do this when you would drive me places. You would go like 110 miles an hour in a residential zone. And your whole attitude was, what are they going to do if they pull me over? I'm sitting here with the golden child. Have you ever, you don't have to talk about this, but you've been pulled over and they haven't given you a ticket.

56:44You know what they do? What? They pull me over and they say, sir, do you realize, holy fuck. Are you calling Conan O 'Brien? And they go, well, yes, officer. I just, so much work, so prolific. September 13th, 1993. three off until the present day. Every medium you try, a total home run. Officer, please. Officer, do you need a change of pants? I do. And then they always let me wear their cap. They give me candy. And shoot their gun, probably. They let me shoot their gun. They let me shoot their gun. Yeah, it's amazing. Yeah, but you made me sound bad. It was outdoors. We were meeting outdoors at a restaurant.

57:34They probably, there weren't any other dogs there, but I don't think I explicitly asked. They explicitly said no dogs. Oh. You walked in holding your dog, sat down opposite me. Yeah. A woman at the next table went into anaphylactic shock because she was allergic to dogs. She is no longer with us. She died? Yeah. Did she? Yeah. Oh, but Oki got to sit with us. I said, I said we should use a pen knife and make a small opening in her trachea so she can breathe. and you said, on it, chief, and stabbed her to death in the throat. I heard about this. Yeah. It was all over the papers. The papers. And then you let Oki just go feed from everybody's plates.

58:13Yeah. And from her wound. But they didn't arrest me. Because I was with Conan. Yeah, they couldn't. They said, you're technically guilty of murder, but Conan! Oh my God. Oh! I'm so stupid. Sure, I'm a cover of TV Guide three times. Rolling Stone twice. You were one of Us Magazine's 75 bachelors in 1995 to, quote, keep an eye on. Is that real? I don't know. I think that last one's kind of true. Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of the early days of this podcast, Oki played kind of a pivotal part because one of the earliest segments we did, and we should recount this story, at least in a nutshell, is the text between you and Conan about Oki.

58:58Do you remember this? I don't. The Oki shits? Remember when I text you, I was like, Oki, shit everywhere, and there's throw up, and I gotta stay and clean it up, and then I'll be in soon. And I read it which way? You read it as, I'm gonna be late. Okay, I shit everywhere. Yes! Yes! The dog's name is Oki, and this is a blast from the past, and what a blast, but you said, Oki shit everywhere. Come on, boo! And I read, That's so annoying. Yeah, I'm gonna be late. Okay, I shit everywhere. And I thought, wow. TMI We were talking about this before The sentiment and the reading of it is like I'm gonna be late, pause Alright, you got me I'm late because I shit everywhere No one asking me And I just pictured you firing at the walls Don't picture it But then Too late And every listener is now too And then remember you got that second dog Yeah, its name is I have to be honest with you And you said, remember I got these texts, I have to be honest with you.

1:00:02I have to be honest with you, I. Yeah, was the name of the dog was, I have to be honest with you, I. Yeah. And it was all ran together. I have to be honest with you, I was the name of the dog, which is our Armenian term, meaning bright sun come over mountain. And anyway. While shitting. And you said, I have to be honest with you, I, humped the leg of a chair for three hours with my eyes rolled back in my head. And I said, what? And you said, yeah, I have to be honest with you. I has an erection that won't go away and has gone for nine hours straight. Remember this? Do you remember your dog to tell the truth I?

1:00:39Yeah, come on! To tell the truth I licked my own butt for a long time. And then remember you got a cat called, don't tell anyone. This is just between us, but I. Remember that? These are all true stories. If only did you ever think of Fido or Arth or Snoopy? No. Oh, no. Poor Oki. Oki, they're using you for comedy fodder. You don't deserve that. You can tell Oki knows what's happening because Oki has just sunk his head, her chin down onto your leg and is just in a depressive funk. Yeah, she - Mocked once again. Oh, yeah. I can't wait to get back under that bed and nibble that half ham. Oh my God.

1:01:22Why do you keep hams under the bed? Is that some sort of - I love ham. Okay. Why wouldn't you keep ham under the bed? So you're sleeping and you've got your eye mask on and you just do a reach under and grab a hunk? Pre-bedtime ham hunk. I love that. Is it on the floor just getting dusty? Yeah. It's all covered in - It's collecting a lot of things. Yeah. It's seasoned. It's getting seasoning. The dust actually makes it taste a little better. So you guys should try it. Bed ham. Bed ham. Well, I enjoyed this segment. I really did. I'm glad you did. And I'm glad you brought, I'm going to reach over and give Oki.

1:01:59What's the name Oki come from? So when Tack and I were in Japan, we were in Okinawa for our honeymoon for a chunk of it. And then my friend Nairi posted her picture on Instagram and said that they were looking for a home for her. So to remember where we were, we called her Oki. which is short for Okinawa. Okay. You had a really nice wedding. We had 550 people at that wedding. It was great. It was really fun. That's not a wedding. That's a convention. Yeah. It was a convention. Yeah. I wish I knew you back then. I would have invited you. It would have been crazy. People throw money on the floor.

1:02:33You're dancing on money the whole night. It's awesome. And then did you guys hear someone in Glendale stole the money from a wedding? What? Yeah. Well, just so everyone knows, Armenian weddings, you throw money in the air. Yes, you throw money in the air. There's money everywhere. It's$1 bills. Well, some of them are like fives. Not at your wedding. How dare you? I was looking hard for a fiver. I would take a five. I would have taken a two. They were all singles. I'm sorry. It looked like there was an explosion at the Scores strip club. But there were a lot of ones. And then there's no registry usually.

1:03:10It's just envelopes of cash. And so you put them in a box and some guy came into a hall in Glendale and then like stole the whole box of money. It must have been like$100 ,000. Oh, wow. Crazy. There's video. You see him like sauntering and grabbing. Do we know who he is? Has he been caught? No. But they have him on video. Yeah. Yeah, but it's fresh. It's fresh. It's like, it just happened. You should have a crime show where nothing's ever solved, but you have that exact optimistic tone. Yeah. And they never figured it out. Yes. Never. And they called him the Zodiac. Yeah. And no one figured it out.

1:03:45So anyway, next week, this guy went in the woods and he's just gone. I don't know. Did they find him? I don't know. Isn't it great? Yes. That's a great podcast. I'm going to do it. Well, listen, I'm going to wrap this up because I think we've gone on for quite a while, but we had some good laughs. I do love Oki, especially you bought him. I remember you had it made her. I'm sorry, her. Yeah. You know, different pronouns, I suppose. Who knows? you bought Oki a little slash hat because you love slash from Guns and Roses a top hat she was a slash for Halloween one year she had a little leather jacket she's got curly hair yeah she had and we we just got her groom but usually she's like fluffy and she was slash like it was awesome very cool yeah she's the coolest dog in the world peace out and don't say Tupac no I was gonna say I was gonna say slash oh okay it's very cool you can say it yeah Saul Hudson love him what a great guy he's the best good friend to us we've touched on many subjects we've roamed we came up with some amazing dog names if you want to use them we will lease them to you peace out Saul Hudson slash Tupac Saul Hudson slash Tupac yeah and uh shout out to so many other dogs I swear to god you can't tell anybody but I and this is a complete cone of silence you can never breathe a word of this but here goes I and you have to swear on your life and your mother's life and your father's life that you will never repeat what I'm about to tell you, I.

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